Ill be first time fence and trellis builder in a month on my own property. You're instructional videos have proven invaluable and I'm now looking forward to it. Much Gratitude!
Wow so helpful!!!! Thank you so much our fencing knots when from hideous to recognizable haha as new farmers with no training this information was invaluable!
Thanks for the video 👍 In the thumbnail though it looks like the wire initially goes under the main wire, but in the video you put the wire over the top of the main wire and the bring it back up post.
Im using 2mm high tensile wire for my espalier tiers and the run is 13m long. Im using a ratchet cog strainer at one end to enable tightening. The wire runs through 6 equally spaced L Brackets for support between my fruit trees. What is the best way to terminate this type of wire at the start and then around the shaft of the ratchet. I find it very hard to twist. And I wish I had one of those horizontal spinning feed mechs......I made a hell of a mess when I tried to feed out the first 13m of wire! It only took me an hour to untangle.
So these are great Tim. I've got the knack of doing the starter as shown, my issue is tying off the tensioned wire. I'm using a chain tensioner but when I get to the end of the run, how do I use the chain style tensioner on the final post and still be able to tie off whilst the tensioner is attached. I cant find a video anywhere on this. Everyone seems to use some other mechanical unit but they wouldnt have done this in days of old.
Use the hook to secure the chain to the post 15cm above where you want the knot. Strain as normal to the post. Tie the end knot. Yep, you will loose a small amount of tension. Don’t do this on short runs. In “days of old” people used the speed knot or figure 8 and strained in line. Or they used drum strainers on the post.
@@FarmLearningTim yeah, that's my problem. It's a small stockyard with only 10-12m per side to the race. Top and bottom wires with hinge joint. A clear top 150 above and I might slip another wire through at centre line and clip the hinge joint to it. Harder to tension the small runs without using mechanical devices and like you, not a Gripple fan.
Tim, you suggest to tie a speed knot after being tied off? 32 (10m ish) foot runSheep mesh again. Not high tensile. Cut inline strain and tie speed knot?
What happens if you do not go behind at the start, and just go over and do your loops ? And I noticed the image at the end with yellow wire did not go down, it is just turned clockwise, I take it the knot is the same and may depend on if a left or right handed person did the, but basically, as long as you go behind in step 2 the knot would hold.
Is there a reason to make the back loop that you made at first before you started wrapping? I have always just started winding and it seems to have held so far (very new at smooth wire fences, only a year or so). Just a guess, but my thought is with the bight it would keep the coil from unwinding under extreme tension. it would basically be a self tightening knot. Is that correct?
It's so you don't create a sharp bend right at the high tension point. If you wind it around the wire right away you create a sharp turn at the high tension point
Hi Tim, Ive seen fences with low tensile wire tied off after taking an extra pass around the post before the knot you display is tied. This appears to bite down and set the knot on the post when strained. Do you recomend this when fencing with low tenaile wire ? I appreciate this isnt possible with high tensile wire. Cheers, James
This is great! I'm having a time with sheep mesh. Well tensioned, but looses a lot with lazy d as a termination knot. Should it be wrapped around the post again?
Is this knot meant to cinch up close to the post after it is tied? I may be doing something wrong, but mine are slipping after the wires are strained and the fence is sagging
Thanks Tim - what are the best suppliers for this type of wire? Don't need a huge spool, prob just 500m to rebuild some of our fences. Glad mohave found your videos
You should go around the post a few times before knotting, especially if the wire is under tension so it will slip back less when you release the wire tensioner.
Ill be first time fence and trellis builder in a month on my own property. You're instructional videos have proven invaluable and I'm now looking forward to it. Much Gratitude!
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Wow so helpful!!!! Thank you so much our fencing knots when from hideous to recognizable haha as new farmers with no training this information was invaluable!
Helping me with my new fencing employment in training at moment,thanks
This is the clearest, easiest to understand example of how to tie this knot.
Thanks for the video 👍 In the thumbnail though it looks like the wire initially goes under the main wire, but in the video you put the wire over the top of the main wire and the bring it back up post.
Excellent video mate, this knot is the difference between a well finished fence and a shithouse one
Thank you very much. Too make it very easy to follow.
Im using 2mm high tensile wire for my espalier tiers and the run is 13m long. Im using a ratchet cog strainer at one end to enable tightening. The wire runs through 6 equally spaced L Brackets for support between my fruit trees. What is the best way to terminate this type of wire at the start and then around the shaft of the ratchet. I find it very hard to twist. And I wish I had one of those horizontal spinning feed mechs......I made a hell of a mess when I tried to feed out the first 13m of wire! It only took me an hour to untangle.
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Neat and simple. Cheers mate.
So these are great Tim. I've got the knack of doing the starter as shown, my issue is tying off the tensioned wire. I'm using a chain tensioner but when I get to the end of the run, how do I use the chain style tensioner on the final post and still be able to tie off whilst the tensioner is attached. I cant find a video anywhere on this. Everyone seems to use some other mechanical unit but they wouldnt have done this in days of old.
Use the hook to secure the chain to the post 15cm above where you want the knot. Strain as normal to the post. Tie the end knot. Yep, you will loose a small amount of tension. Don’t do this on short runs. In “days of old” people used the speed knot or figure 8 and strained in line. Or they used drum strainers on the post.
@@FarmLearningTim yeah, that's my problem. It's a small stockyard with only 10-12m per side to the race. Top and bottom wires with hinge joint. A clear top 150 above and I might slip another wire through at centre line and clip the hinge joint to it. Harder to tension the small runs without using mechanical devices and like you, not a Gripple fan.
@@roberthaydenoz Check out my speed knot video. Problem solved.
Tim, you suggest to tie a speed knot after being tied off? 32 (10m ish) foot runSheep mesh again. Not high tensile. Cut inline strain and tie speed knot?
What happens if you do not go behind at the start, and just go over and do your loops ? And I noticed the image at the end with yellow wire did not go down, it is just turned clockwise, I take it the knot is the same and may depend on if a left or right handed person did the, but basically, as long as you go behind in step 2 the knot would hold.
Sometimes when I've gone around the post I go under the wire not over. But I still loop ot correctly. Is that ok
Absolutely
Is there a reason to make the back loop that you made at first before you started wrapping? I have always just started winding and it seems to have held so far (very new at smooth wire fences, only a year or so). Just a guess, but my thought is with the bight it would keep the coil from unwinding under extreme tension. it would basically be a self tightening knot. Is that correct?
It's so you don't create a sharp bend right at the high tension point. If you wind it around the wire right away you create a sharp turn at the high tension point
Hi Tim, Ive seen fences with low tensile wire tied off after taking an extra pass around the post before the knot you display is tied. This appears to bite down and set the knot on the post when strained. Do you recomend this when fencing with low tenaile wire ? I appreciate this isnt possible with high tensile wire.
Cheers, James
@@FarmLearningTim Cheers Tim
This is great! I'm having a time with sheep mesh. Well tensioned, but looses a lot with lazy d as a termination knot. Should it be wrapped around the post again?
Is this knot meant to cinch up close to the post after it is tied? I may be doing something wrong, but mine are slipping after the wires are strained and the fence is sagging
You need to pull it tight to post after the first loop.
Would there be any issues using an end knot if its going on an turnbuckle eyebolt? That being so much smaller than a post is a little concerning
I’d always choose to go around the post. Much stronger
I'm trying to understand in which situation one might need this. So is it the starting attachment ? Why is it called end / termination ? Thanks!
Hey Tim. What’s the width of the wire you are using?
Hi, great video, but didn’t in a previous video you do this knot by going UNDER first? I suppose it ends up the same?
Yep, as long as you follow the pattern, it's irrelevent.
@Farm Learning with Tim Thompson glad I came across these comments tim you said over under over under and I'm scratching my head looking at the photo
Gday Tim, many thanks for your great videos - just wondering what gauge and tensile wire are you using to enable the loops and knots? Cheers mate
Thanks Tim - what are the best suppliers for this type of wire? Don't need a huge spool, prob just 500m to rebuild some of our fences. Glad mohave found your videos
No worries. We are in Baxter so will check locally. Thanks mate
Hey Tim would this still be the 2.5mm. Have you ever reviewed the ratchet wire strainers
Are you using 2.8mm or 2.5mm high tensile?
2.5 in this one, but often tie off 2.65 hit the same
nice to see you had lovely soft high tensile wire !!! nothing worse than steely springy wire grrrrrrr ....ex farmer
Perfect
You should go around the post a few times before knotting, especially if the wire is under tension so it will slip back less when you release the wire tensioner.
Steve, you suggest going around the post a couple of times? Sheep mesh lost a lot when strainer tension removed.
Thumb nail and prosses showen in video were different
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Muy mala técnica, en alambres acerados sometidos a tensión ese nudo revienta, se corta.
You forgot your lazy loop