@@akheron7671 Well, I think that defeating an opponent is more impressive if you can do it without needing to rely on the element of surprise to catch them off guard. As for whether or not anything is honorable, is something that everyone has to decide for themselves. But I know that the couple of times I cannon rushed, I felt pretty dirty.
@@CGDW2 when people cant handle something (cannon rush in your case) they often fabricate some moral against that tactics... for me, a victory won with less effort is more impressive: relying on the situation finding a weak point, but obviously we are different
@@CGDW2 This game largely relies on catching your opponent off guard. Even in standard, long macro games, they will move their armies around the map hoping to find the opponent out of position. Same with the burrowed Infestor.
I have learned this spine rush a while back from watching this live. I can say it has an almost 100% winrate in plat. Only counter I have encountered is getting cannonrushed.
16:11 5 shieldbat shotdown and 300ish shield heal left on the lower shield bat, also just block of the entrance. do love the shields bats, sad he got out off range ^^
TvZ is the most exciting game time because of the constant action everywhere TvP is the most nail biting because of all the big and harrowing fights ZvP is there
That game no2 would be much different if batteries didnt spawn with 0 energy at your natural. Thats the only defensive usage where that battery nerf is massive.
hero just need to accept he doesnt keep the door closed and put in more mineral, so 2-3 photon, 4 shieldbat and 4 pylons infront of the wall, as where your main defence is ^^ kinda auto solves a lot of runby's, increase it depending on how late game we are and how much extra mineral we have :P
I agree that most ZvPs have too samey start. Also lategame ZvP is so boring... Very slow and non dynamic hide-and-seek game between protoss mass air and zerg mass casters/broodlords.
I'm always wondering what is the point of proxying a gateway once the cyber core research is done. A pylon alone is what is needed to proxy. Having a gateway is just a risk
The gateway gives 8 second faster warp-ins, often meaning the difference between re-reinforcement timings that win or lose the game. Also if the proxy pylon is found fast warp-ins can prevent the pylon dying, so its a bigger risk with just a pylon.
Hasn't it always been a bit boring the last few years? For a while there, every game was Protoss blocking the natural, pressuring with Adepts and occasionally just straight up killing them with Glaives, and if not that, Zerg either destroys them in the early midgame, and if it gets to endgame, Protoss just made Skytoss and ground out the late game. Protoss lately at least is trying new things. Edit - and then g3. Oh well.
Protoss is the only honourable race. It's so annoying to see either ghosts or infestors vipers every game, they really feel like op units. Yeah, disruptor this disruptor that. Kinda lame unit aswell, but not as braindead op as ghost tho, lets be honest. Now I don't play the game, just watch pro games, and I can't wait for the new patch to go live, because from what I understood it significantly buffs protoss overall and like it's my favourite race, so very cool. Now terran and zerg can also be very cool and quite honorable, if they stick around on tier 2 units or below. As soon as they tech up to tier 3 the cringefest begins with emps, snipes, fungals, abducts etc.
The main issue is that,paradoxically,the race that is supposed to have the strongest psyonic power also has the weakest spellcaster among the three races.
If you look at Aligulac's balance stats, Protoss has had the advantage in PvZ for the last two years (actually three - there's only one month since Jan 2021 where Zerg's had the advantage in PvZ, and PvZ toss advantage often exceeds 55-45 while PvT and TvZ imbalances stay under 55-45) PvT's generally been pretty even, or a little Terran favoured. TvZ's generally been Terran favoured but with Zerg sometimes being advantaged, and the general amount of T favour's been lower than in Protoss' edge in PvZ. GM ranked is also very heavy on Protoss and low on Zerg, which fits with Aligulac's balance graphs very well: Protoss are usually facing a great PvZ MU and a somewhat weak PvT, Terran are usually facing two evenish matchups that lean in their favour more often than not, and Zerg's usually faced with clearly unfavourable ZvP and somewhat weak ZvT Replays at the top of the world are one thing, but there's a world of high level play that exist outside that, and Protoss has been anything but weak there, in light of numbers from hundreds of games.
thats cuz protoss is soo freaking boring. ohh look its adepts and oracles. ohh no here come the warp prisms. wait no its a warp gate cheese. like ever since the void ray meta was no longer a thing. protoss not only the cheese to win. but its also the slow ass death all late in the game.
Oh wow, look, Medivac Marine Drop on my mineral line. Medivac Maurader, oh, someone's feelin' a bit fancy today. Medivac Widow mine drops, well, now that isn't very nice. Medivac Maurader, Marines, there's nothing better to do, huh. Oh, and Burn thy weak workers! Don't have much to say about Zerg other than surround thy enemies and Baneling their biological units. Pull their most vulnerable into our ranks. Hopefully, the point comes across. (The art of sarcasm) Also, it sounds like you've lost to Protoss a lot. (Unless you haven't played Starcraft and just chose to watch others play.)
Hero tries the honorable macro game but after losing against Spine rush just gets enraged and goes adept all in. Love it.
do you think among valid and working tactics some are somehow more 'honorable'? innnteresting
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Well, I think that defeating an opponent is more impressive if you can do it without needing to rely on the element of surprise to catch them off guard.
As for whether or not anything is honorable, is something that everyone has to decide for themselves. But I know that the couple of times I cannon rushed, I felt pretty dirty.
@@CGDW2
when people cant handle something (cannon rush in your case) they often fabricate some moral against that tactics...
for me, a victory won with less effort is more impressive: relying on the situation finding a weak point, but obviously we are different
@@CGDW2 This game largely relies on catching your opponent off guard. Even in standard, long macro games, they will move their armies around the map hoping to find the opponent out of position. Same with the burrowed Infestor.
@@CGDW2 what kind of BS is that? even on the longest Macro games with highest tier units it is 90% whoever catches the other off guard
herO leaving the walloff open is pretty much his signature move at this point, always love watching his games
For a brief time Hero had 4 oracles out. Fouracles is just about the favorite term I've ever heard Lowko say. :)
(favorite term = Laser Giraffes)
its great that you are still casting, its always fun to watch a starcraft game even if I find it anxiety generating to play myself.
Lowko the goat
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16:58 the reason why you send that probe out is not just for scouting, but also for scouting.
LOL
he is such a skilled caster that i did not even notice the bamboozle
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I have learned this spine rush a while back from watching this live. I can say it has an almost 100% winrate in plat. Only counter I have encountered is getting cannonrushed.
Part of me was hoping the game three *would* have been an actual cannon rush. But an adept all in is just as good really.
16:11 5 shieldbat shotdown and 300ish shield heal left on the lower shield bat, also just block of the entrance.
do love the shields bats, sad he got out off range ^^
This exact Spine rush is an absolutely classic Dark stunt.
herO, the man, the one and only! Oh man that was a nice video!
I would also love to see you cover more of the custom races those new ones seem rather cool
ZvP is easily my favorite matchup
Lowko it sounded like you said he put a hatchery "smack dad" in the middle of the map. The correct phrase is "smack dab".
I don't know if I will ever get bored of any matchup
Are you going to cover zerospace?
The timing on the adept build is so sharp and fast, wow.
TvZ is the most exciting game time because of the constant action everywhere
TvP is the most nail biting because of all the big and harrowing fights
ZvP is there
ZvP is still more entertaining to watch than any mirror match in my opinion.
TvT is pretty fun, PvP sometimes too. ZvZ is awful@@Seageass01
Exciting to boring:
TvZ
PvZ
TvT
TvP
ZvZ
PvP
16:01 the way he said "The natural is in a world of trouble..." I have goosebumps right now.
Now my breakfast is complete!
I love Fjant style, so aggressive (sometimes a bit too aggressive though). It is really refreshing compared to other zergs. A pity he lost.
He hurts his eco the first game trying to deny a 3rd but hero held down the probe key. By the time his 3rd gets up its saturated.
If you want to F2A protoss, leave a battery powered probe in the door.
“I’ll give you 2:1 odds I can get you gambling by the end of the day”
That game no2 would be much different if batteries didnt spawn with 0 energy at your natural. Thats the only defensive usage where that battery nerf is massive.
It hurt me that fjant never replied to hero’s “gl hf” 😢 lol
ZvP is where is study early game micro
Can’t wait for storm gate
yellow zerg is a cool color
hero just need to accept he doesnt keep the door closed and put in more mineral, so 2-3 photon, 4 shieldbat and 4 pylons infront of the wall, as where your main defence is ^^
kinda auto solves a lot of runby's, increase it depending on how late game we are and how much extra mineral we have :P
He could also just learn to hotkey correctly like the other pros. Oh, well...
Just saying, "fjant" means something like wimp or dork in swedish ^^
WOOOOO NEW VID
I find it genuinely funny that one of the world's best players can still lose to cheese xp
I quite like this PiG panther build, to be honest.
yum. nothing like a good starcraft 2 cheese. it's so gouda. or howdah.
I noticed at the start that if the cast was boring, you dont upload it. How many games do you cast that dont get uploaded?
what is your top 3 zerg rush games?
Fjant means jerk/fool/wimp in swedish!
And it means bird poop in French 😢
Call for game(s) that have a HeroZealot(s).
I agree that most ZvPs have too samey start. Also lategame ZvP is so boring... Very slow and non dynamic hide-and-seek game between protoss mass air and zerg mass casters/broodlords.
Yes.
Potato tomato
Any zerospace gameplay coming?
this game is what all bronze league aspires to be
Delicious Spine Crawler Rush Cheese, mmmmmmmmmmm Cheese 🤤
Why do zergs always put the spawning pool by the minerals
its baby lon
how come nobody uses a static defense in the mineral line or behind the wall, it could deter harass and would probably pay for itself in kills
Lowko says "if I was a betting man" a little bit too often for a not betting man.
Stasis dont affect larva?
I personally enjoy PvZ quite a bit
11:09 heheh
"My wife told me to grow a spine and it changed my (Starcraft) life."
zvp is the best matchap
Not sure if anyone comment already, but "fjant" is Swedish for "foolish or silly person".
Fjant sound fiente in french, or bird shit ^^
Yo early gang
Inside my head, oh lowko posts a protoss video they probably lost no need to watch 😅
The reason why is lowko barely do the thing anymore
TvZ is extremely boring because there is only 1 viable opening
Love to see cheesy noobs get pwn'd.
I'm always wondering what is the point of proxying a gateway once the cyber core research is done. A pylon alone is what is needed to proxy. Having a gateway is just a risk
The gateway gives 8 second faster warp-ins, often meaning the difference between re-reinforcement timings that win or lose the game. Also if the proxy pylon is found fast warp-ins can prevent the pylon dying, so its a bigger risk with just a pylon.
LowKo eats a COUPLE of boogers for breakfast. 😜
Hasn't it always been a bit boring the last few years? For a while there, every game was Protoss blocking the natural, pressuring with Adepts and occasionally just straight up killing them with Glaives, and if not that, Zerg either destroys them in the early midgame, and if it gets to endgame, Protoss just made Skytoss and ground out the late game. Protoss lately at least is trying new things.
Edit - and then g3. Oh well.
I get made fun of using select all army in gold but one of the best toss player still use it :/
Most boring is Protoss vs Protoss.
Protoss is the only honourable race. It's so annoying to see either ghosts or infestors vipers every game, they really feel like op units. Yeah, disruptor this disruptor that. Kinda lame unit aswell, but not as braindead op as ghost tho, lets be honest. Now I don't play the game, just watch pro games, and I can't wait for the new patch to go live, because from what I understood it significantly buffs protoss overall and like it's my favourite race, so very cool. Now terran and zerg can also be very cool and quite honorable, if they stick around on tier 2 units or below. As soon as they tech up to tier 3 the cringefest begins with emps, snipes, fungals, abducts etc.
The main issue is that,paradoxically,the race that is supposed to have the strongest psyonic power also has the weakest spellcaster among the three races.
Disruptor is not as OP as ghosts, but it is awful design. Ghosts need only a nerf, disruptor needs a total rework.
If you look at Aligulac's balance stats, Protoss has had the advantage in PvZ for the last two years (actually three - there's only one month since Jan 2021 where Zerg's had the advantage in PvZ, and PvZ toss advantage often exceeds 55-45 while PvT and TvZ imbalances stay under 55-45)
PvT's generally been pretty even, or a little Terran favoured.
TvZ's generally been Terran favoured but with Zerg sometimes being advantaged, and the general amount of T favour's been lower than in Protoss' edge in PvZ.
GM ranked is also very heavy on Protoss and low on Zerg, which fits with Aligulac's balance graphs very well:
Protoss are usually facing a great PvZ MU and a somewhat weak PvT,
Terran are usually facing two evenish matchups that lean in their favour more often than not, and
Zerg's usually faced with clearly unfavourable ZvP and somewhat weak ZvT
Replays at the top of the world are one thing, but there's a world of high level play that exist outside that, and Protoss has been anything but weak there, in light of numbers from hundreds of games.
People don't like watching PvZ, because they start with the same amount of workers.
thats cuz protoss is soo freaking boring. ohh look its adepts and oracles. ohh no here come the warp prisms. wait no its a warp gate cheese. like ever since the void ray meta was no longer a thing. protoss not only the cheese to win. but its also the slow ass death all late in the game.
Oh wow, look, Medivac Marine Drop on my mineral line. Medivac Maurader, oh, someone's feelin' a bit fancy today. Medivac Widow mine drops, well, now that isn't very nice. Medivac Maurader, Marines, there's nothing better to do, huh. Oh, and Burn thy weak workers! Don't have much to say about Zerg other than surround thy enemies and Baneling their biological units. Pull their most vulnerable into our ranks. Hopefully, the point comes across. (The art of sarcasm) Also, it sounds like you've lost to Protoss a lot. (Unless you haven't played Starcraft and just chose to watch others play.)