Replace TPMS with no special tools with out removing wheels!
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- I use the Autel TS508 to clone Autel MX sensors, pulling sensor ID's from the truck OBD port. I then use my vacuum cleaner install a tpms sensor with out any special tire tools, I don't even remove the wheel!
Cloning sensors negates the need to perform the vehicle relearn procedure when swapping wheel sets. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Wow man the comment section is tough. My wife keeps telling me I should do youtube videos. I just showed her these comment. She said it’s best I don’t. I take intelligent criticism well. I’m not to good with idiots.
It’s a good video. I love to see people thinking outside the box. I don’t give a 💩 if a tire shop would install them for free. It’s a learning experience.
Nothing better then getting your hands dirty and getting a job done.
Thanks for the support! Your right there are a lot of people quick to criticize, it is rough, but hey at least they watched the video! There are also lots of good comments too though. Thanks for the the kind words, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
I've been doing my own tire mounting for the past 60 years starting with my bicycle. I have a variety of ways for breaking the bead but I never thought of using a vacuum cleaner. Thanks for the trick!
Thank you for thinking outside of the box! Most be people would rather pay the money then try to do it themselves. You don't have to relearn the computer, but you don't have to rebalance the tire either! I get more confidence doing things myself and in the long run, you save a lot of money. When you bring your vehicle somewhere you still have to wait for the service! The people watching and commenting negativetly have no regard of intuitiveness and creativity! Keep making videos, because their are people like me who think just like you! GOd bless you!
Thanks for the tip on how to remove the tire. For this, I will tell you how to wake up the sensors without leaving the workshop - you need to take a medium-sized rubber sledgehammer and knock on the tire near the sensor several times. This action will wake up your sensor in the pressure sensor and activate the sensor itself to be detected by the vehicle.
So many negative comments, it was a very good DIY video. I didn’t think that was even possible. And there was no chance of a shop marring up you rims or lug nuts.
Still need balancing after install of sensor
Paid the local tire shop 25 bucks and they installed my new sensor while I had a hot coffee in about 5 minutes. It was worth it to me.
I can appreciate this video. I would only use this method in an emergency. This seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to save 20-25 bucks. However, I love learning new ways to do things. I can appreciate you taking the time to show how it's done. If a person truly doesn't have the money, and doesn't mind putting in the work, this can be very useful. Thank you.
Your a legend for getting that bead popped like that ! I learn something new today thank you!
That's genius! Thank you sir for making this process much easier than it needs to be. Love it!
I like your video but you said no special tools that programmer far as I’m concerned is a special tool
That’s true, but it’s not need to replace the sensor. You could purchase a pre set sensor.
Especially when they are around $250 USD. I agree this is considered a special tool.
not going to lie!! that tire trick was awesome!!!! I learned something today and I turned wrenches my whole life!!!
You've impressed the he'll out of my husband, and he's a good with his hands too.
@@taylormade5931 Isn't that dishonest?
For those that are complaining about the price of the tool, there are plenty of them on Amazon for $10-$20. Only thing is, they’re brand specific. So if you find one for Fords, it will ONLY work for Fords, or they will do American/Japan/German vehicles only.
So if you like to stick to one brand, or if you keep your vehicles for a long time, this can be a good option.
I found one that works with GM and Ford, which is nice since I have both those brands in my driveway. Bought it for $12-$13. It works, can’t complain.
Also, some GMs and Fords ( _that I know of. There could be other brands that do this_ ) also have this function built in to their vehicles (not all models though), where it requires you to deflate or inflate the tire(s) so the sensor knows which position it’s at. So that’s a somewhat “free” version for you guys.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A SPECIAL TOOL IN YOUR HAND.
Always add a little spray washing liquid to the valve before you pull. Thanks for sharing.
Why does the title of the video say "no special tools" and the very first thing he says is that he purchased a special tool.
Good Job Matt! I try and do all the work on my car. The most fun I have working on my car is buying some really cool tools :) .
Matt, I cannot believe that vacuum develops enough flow to be that much of a help. Not that I am calling you out - I just find it remarkable. Thanks so much for the good video. :)
I've repaired more flats than I'd care to remember my friend. There is no way in hell, that you can break the bead of a tire that's been on the car for some time, with your foot or hands. That vacuum is absolutely working.
@@luthergarrett6389 So, You are saying that you have done the vacuum trick yourself. I have 3 to replace on my buick and I do not trust the shops where I live as they would most likely screw things up.
I agree, especially sealed with an old rag. The funnel might be a little better. A good clue is that there was no sound of inrushing air and the tone of the vac didn't change once the bead was broken. Shop vacs are designed for air flow over static pressure, The principle is sound, I just don't think much of this execution.
You could use the top of a 2 litre coke bottle - push the plastic hose through the bottle top and vacuum will hold it in place. Your solution is really slick. Thanks
Thanks for the vacuum trick. I will definitely be using this method.
You can't go wrong with the Autel MX-Sensors and the TS508. Good work on the install.
Super helpful - thank you!
I've been doing a 5-tire rotation on my 2020 F250. My original 'spare' doesn't have a TPMS sensor so I continually get a TPMS warning on one tire. With the help of this video, I'm about to buy the Autel & 1 TPMS sensor to clear that up.
It seems like a lot of $ for a limited-use tool, but I'm guessing I will need to use the Autel after each rotation to relearn the correct 4 sensors.
I've only de/re-beaded ATV tires - watching your video gave me a bit of confidence that it won't be a big deal to do my truck tires. Thought I think I'm going to use a bottle jack + truck weight rather than your vacuum trick.
Bead brake - great trick I'll be using it often, thanks.
Great idea for replacing a stem on the trail. Just need to plumb the intake on the compressor to pull vacuum as well.
On the trail engine manifold vacuum would be pretty strong
U the man ! I am going to give it a try..I went to a tire place the other day they wanted 460.00 to replace sensors in my F150 not going to happen..Thank you.
Great job! The TPMS sensor (with a metal valve stem) is considerably heavier than the rubber valve stem, somewhere around 35 gm vs 8 gm, so a rebalance is desired. You don't need to go to a tire shop for this though. You can add a counter-weight on the opposite side of the valve.
Good point!
Best I've found to reseat the tire bead is a chain and chain binder with the chain wrapped around the center of the tire. I do this on heavy equipment (loader/grader tires) as well. But you really need the tire off (cars and trucks, not heavy equipment) to do that. I have a shop air compressor, so I can have the tire off in under a minute.
Heavy duty ratchet straps work, too.
God have mercy with this guy
Damn, this vacuum cleaner trick is a great !!!👏
Several comments:
1. You have control of the inside part of the stem or the old sensor before you pull the outer part of the stem off. Clamp a needle nose vice grip to it so that it doesn't fall into the tire. Having the loose part bouncing around inside of the tire is not good especially if it is an old TPMS sensor which is heavy enough to change the balance of the tire and could beat the crap out of your new sensor. Every time the tire rolls at low speed it will be moving around inside of the tire, when the tire gets to a certain speed the old TPMS will be stuck to some point in the tire by centrifugal force changing the balance of the tire. It will never be at the same point so that it can not be balanced out. The unbalance can and will effect your tire wear and may cause a little rougher ride.
2. If you loose the sensor or the stem part just rotate the tire around until the broken beed is down then you can fish it out with a little work.
3. If you have one a AC vacuum pump will do the same thing as the vacuum cleaner.
4. you have to use a vacuum rated hose for the connection, plain gas line or plastic tubing can and will collapse before the tire is sucked off of the rim bead causing the tire not to unseat. Try pinching a straw and see how much drink you get through it.
5. Take the new valve stem out before you try to inflate and seat the bead, the increased flow will help a lot to get more air into the tire if the bead is leaking a little.
Good idea to use vacuum to unseat tires. Not as likely to work on tires below 70% aspect ratio due to the stiffer sidewalls and the amount of vacuum you can generate.
This video is great,IT doesn t suck!!!good find with the vacuüm cleaner....love the autel 508,i have a autel mk808 but IT doesn't cover alle tpms sensors i assume so realy currious about the 501 and 508...support the truckers in Ottawa.!!!!
Thanks!
Only one thing I saw that would make it easier, lube the stem and tire bead with soapy water! thanks! never thought of vacuum
Thanks for sharing these neat ideas. Luckily my tire shop forgot the sensors on my last wheel purchase and ended up doing the job for free when I went back to ask WTF when my tire pressure light came on….😂
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Thanks vacuum is genius my you're first to put vacuuming to work.
Dude your good, I usually have to take the wheel off the car to install those.
A TPMS PROGRAMMER IS A SPECIAL TOOL!! Caps intentional.
all advice is good advice, I love learning something new ty,
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Thanks again for your guidance. . . . . . . . was a huge help 👍
if you havent figured it yet if you try this with a wheel that already has a sensor that you are replacing you will drop the old one in the wheel after you pull the valve stem out. but if you gonna do that just train yourself to ignore the thumping noise coming from your tires. no problem
He didn't show it but the sensor part unsnaps and is removed before pulling the stem out. (if it's the same as the new ones)
Saved me a trip to auto shop 👍🏽
Good job sir, very helpful!
Great trick, thanks for the info.
Never seen or used the vacumn trick I like it..
There's a shop, close to my house, that are very fair priced.
When the time comes, they'll be the ones doing this, because they already have the equipment, are knowledgeable in the procedure, and by the time I buy all the tools and gizmos to "Do it myself", I'd most likely spend more than what they'd charge me.
It's cool, that you're the neighborhood mechanic, but I'm not... LOL!
You sound like Jesse from breaking bad great video
Awesome man i cant believe u pushed that tire by hand ur a hulk! I will have to take my tires off if u do it.
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Very interesting, as long as you don't drop the sensor in the tire🤔
This is what TH-cam is for! Thanks for the tip.
thank you, after watching this, im just gonna give my tire shop the 80$
True, the shops are good if you just need to get it done. However I have a lot of experience working in shops and have seen a lot of things. I prefer not to let any shop touch any of my vehicles now.
Darrin Potter: $80? it’s $300 in my area
Thank you
Good luck trying this with my E rated Toyo 35's!!
Excellent, thanks,
I like the thought of vac the air out, but if you have a Sumitomo tire with thick side walls, that is not going to work. I used a door header wood from a 30" door and drove my S10 blazer using tire lube, and it is a bear, I get the truck just about to the top before bead breaks. Going to try the vacuum trick next time to see if beads break easier. And yeah, no need to balance if you are using the same sensor, and they weigh about the same. Every time I check the balance, it is always the same as it was. Yes I check before I replace to see if it was balanced, maybe I am lucky mine were in balance with 5k on tires.
That will surely help if you put a little small tiny candle beside the tire just to get some lights, thanks
I think you have some muscle. Possibly the Vacuum 'sucks it down" as you say - but the moment you push on the sidewall and clear the rim - ALL and any vacuum is totally lost. You are pushing and moving the wheel, and shoving the tire inward. And each time the tire bead leaves the side of the wheel - any vacuum is totally gone and air is back in the tire at normal atmospheric. Another youtube person posted about taking out the air; and than using the vehicles car jack to pop off the bead. Lot's simpler; but in that scenario - you are removing the tire.
This is great. I need to do this on a car soon. I paid $85 to have sensors installed. I have the Autel 508 too but was confident to replace them but after watching your video I'm going to give it a try. Thank you. Saved me the price of an alignment by doing it myself. Do you know if ecm still has codes for orig tpms of they've been removed previously? I would like to program them from originals like you did but they're not installed anymore.
Would have been better if you had done it in the daylight !!!
So I need a special programmer but no special tools. 😆 😝 😂
No you don’t need the programmer to replace a sensor or valve stem.
@@mattrampone8457 That is a really good idea. But how would you go about cloning the current TPMS sensors without the programming tool like you used in your video?
@@TechJB65 the tool I purchased is a universal tool that also programs it’s own brand sensors. I bought it because the cost of the tool and 4 sensors cost close to the price of buying 4 quality pre set sensors. Every vehicle has its own procedure for learning it’s sensors. Something like cycle the key a number of times, and then use a magnet on each wheel sensor in a specific order usually followed by confirmation honk of the horn to let u know it took. Hyundai and Kia’s are different, with compatible sensors, the car learns where the wheel sensors are while you drive because the car has 3 receivers and triangulates wheel sensor position. You just need to google the procedure for your specific car, at most you might need to buy a $10 dollar sensor wake up tool.
@@mattrampone8457 thanks for the info. I do have a GM/ford TPMS tool, but I thought that was only useful for something like tire rotations. I thought the cars computer had the serial numbers of the current sensors in it and if replaced would need to be cloned for it to work. Mine is a 2014 model and I’m sure they are original to the car so I’m sure those batteries are getting close to being drained and needs replacing at some point.
Another good set of reasons to let a tire shop do this. You can buy your own oem sensors and let them install them.
Professionally.
I have had several tire shops flat out refuse to install TPMS sensors. I assume they want you to purchase sensors from them. There is probably a good reason for this, I installed one a few days ago that turned out to be no good.
nice garage
Thanks!
Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks! Great idea never thought of it but I will be using it.
Good thinking MacGyver
Having worked at a tire shop, I can tell you that there are a lot of aftermarket sensors that don't work or last very long, it at all.
I appreciate your perspective, and it’s definitely easy to buy crap online. I can just say that the original ones on my Dodge Ram didn’t work from day 1 of our truck purchase, and could never get the warranty service to fix it. The warning light was intermittent, and they kept saying their scanner didn’t show anything wrong. Totally useless service.
We were just super paranoid about checking them before virtually any drive, and we ignore the warning light now.
We haven’t been able to find a tire shop in our area that will even replace them. Even big chains seem to have stopped doing it near us a few years ago.
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge here, maybe I’ll get the time to actually try replacing them myself.
I wonder how easy that would be with low profile tires? Cool idea though!
Oh look, its a special tool holding a special tool
Wish I could share your post!
Lol. No special tools. Just a $200 tool that does one thing.
As a tech watching this? That's incredibly insane! most people have a life!
TH-cam...
awesome
Did he leave the old sensor inside the tire? I never saw him reach and get it. Pulling the stem without holding it, I'm sure would allow it to fall down inside the tire.
It didn't have TPMS sensors in when he bought it. The TPMS sensors were in the ECU, but not physically in the tire. That's why he was able to put the valve stem remover and just pull it out. You wouldn't do that w/ a TPMS sensor attached.
@@brianclark4973 Thanks. I was wondering myself. I was suspicious because that bead broke pretty easily.
I hate the TPMS personally, lol. My tire sensors are always going out on my 2010 equinox and just got tired of replacing them, and the tire pressure module is bad too. When i get more money i know i will replace it all, but in the meantime, nothing is better than making sure you are on top your tire pressures all the time and putting air in when required. I know the claims of the system letting you know when there is a blowout waiting to happen when driving, but putting the basics in practice of keeping your hands firmly on the wheel when a tire blows, paying attention to what you are doing is best practice. Whatever happened to old school cars that were simple without all these added extras lol.
Ford Explorers with Firestone tires happened. After that, more govt regs.
I remember Ramp Chevy!
Why so many negative comments. This is a great video. I have a 2009 f150 and the tire sensors in these just don't last. Then you wil get the annoying dash sensor failure warning that you have to click every time you start the truck.I replaced several of mine by taking the wheel off the truck and breaking the bead on one side by brute force and it worked ok but this is actually brilliant. Wheel balance is not going to change as the tire hasn't been rotated relative to the rim. I finally used Forscan to disable the monitoring system and I'm happy I did. I just check my air reg and I run 10 plys and never get flats. Kudos for this , I never would have thought of it.
Did you have to program the sensors you did replace? I was wondering if forscan allowed you to just turn off the air monitor system or not. I hate these stupid sensors. My 2015 f150 had an issue with them and ford finally replaced a couple of them under the 3 year 36k warranty and now intermittently I get a sensor failure warning again. Truck is 8 years old and has had multiple tpms sensor issues. Damn sad. Wife’s Honda is 13 years old and never once had a sensor failure. Unfortunately Ford does not care about their customers based on the way it’s your problem outside 3 years even though they’re supposed to last 10 years minimum
My 2018 F-150 sensors are still fine. 5 years old now.
great idea the vacuum If you start opposite the valve the tyre wont get hung up ore damage the sensor or the valve.
Thanks !!!
Nice trick!!
Are you Canadian? Or both?that is a very clever trick of the trade!
That programmer might be available at an auto parts store too
I have 3 sensors out. Shop
Wanted almost $500. Let’s just say my light is still on.
I wonder if I can rig up a 2-stage vacuum pump that is used for AC work and pull a vaccum without all the noise. Just need to figure out how to clamp on a valve stemp. Might need to make an "adapter". Of course the hose from an "adapter" might just collapse under the vaccum.
Hose from an ordinary tire pump, and some hose clamps, plus whatever the vacuum pump has for a hose = solution that should be good enough for what you wish for
I'm in the same boat! What did you end up coming up with?
Those are very flexible tires for an F-150.
May be easier to take the wheel off and lay it on its side then drive over the tire (not rim) with another vehicle.
Even worse, he has a F350. Those sidewalls do not look like 10 ply LT that should be required for that truck.
Put the tire stem at the bottom. let air out. Then jack it up. Easier.
Last year I asked my local tire shop and they replaced all 4 of my sensors for $200. Pretty good deal if you ask me.
I’d say so! Did you also purchase tires while you were there?
@@mattrampone8457 Nope, tires were good, just the sensors started going out after 12 years.
$200 dollars? Did it include at least 1 new tire?@@mattrampone8457
Autel sensors don’t always work on my Toyota Highlander ,intermittently lost the signal, but works fine on my Lexus RX350, OEM Denso is expensive, good tricks though.
Autel sensors are a nightmare on Toyota/Lexus and some Honda's. I have also got Autel sensors that were bad out of the box they are not what they are made out to be.
Maybe reverse polarity on a small compressor. Wonder if that will work in reverse?
I don't understand why you left the original sensor inside the tire to possibly cause damage to your new sensor. And...what stops the original sensor from being detected and read after the new one is installed? Would it unbalance the tire?
This specialist ass lived old sensor inside tire, unbelievable !!
@@misiomisio2335 "left"?
@@misiomisio2335 If you watch the video the tires didn't have sensors
Great trick breaking the bead ! However, I don’t understand why you didn’t remove the old sensor, just the valve stem.
There wasn’t any sensors in it. I bought the wheels second hand
@@mattrampone8457 OK, I thought of that but got hung up on the "Replace" title.
The main concern I have is once you break the bead and add the sensor I doubt your wheels are still balanced
Why not your replacing the old sensor with a new one no need to balance
In this case, the tire did not rotate on the rim so it is still balanced. tire shops have been known to just mark the tire and wheel, take off the tire to repair a hole, replace the tire and call it good. Not exactly ethical, but they get away with it because the balance is nearly the same.
If the sensor is the same weight and the tire is not rotated on the rim it should be fine.
Very very dangerous. So many wrong and dangerous steps were taken. The correct and safe way to do it is to take the wheel off. It's not that difficult once the vehicle has been raised, to remove the wheel. And, not that difficult to do once wheel is removed. Then, you put a block of wood on the wheel&tire flat on the ground under the vehicle. Block is in between the tire and vehicle, then you drop the vehicle using the jack onto the block and it breaks the bead. Never work around and under car or wheel well while a car is on a jack.
He said he put it on a jack stand for safety
@bills6946 He doesn't actually verbally say it, but he wrote it into the video at 5:57... yet, in the video, he shows jacking up the vehicle with the floor jack and then lowers the vehicle with the floor jack to a lower height. He doesn't say he uses a jack stand for safety, he doesn't show he uses a jack stand for safety. He literally could have just wrote it and hoped that was enough to keep people from pointing out this safety issue, among the many safety issues... so, no, I don't believe he used a jack stand at any point... and none of this peocedure is safe... not to mention, you can pay a tire place $10-$20 to have them do it the correct and very quick way.
I'm in no way saying to go waste your money, when you can learn a small task yourself. I'm saying that there is a better way to do it yourself, and a safe way to do it yourself.
Awesome, there is always a better way to do these jobs. Can I suggest that you separate the tyre from the rim further away from the valve otherwise you could loose the effect of the vacuum suction before you break the tyre seal.
brilliant, thanks would there be a rebalance of tire?
On a regular sensor replacement, it probably will not be necessary to rebalance the tires, because the replacement sensor likely weighs the same as the old sensor. You could actually weigh the two of them to verify this. As long as they are within say a 1/4 ounce it shouldn't matter. Also, don't let the tire rotate on the rim either. But, in the video, he is installing sensors where there are none previously. This will certainly throw the tires out of balance. I still like his idea if you are replacing sensors and if you have the tools. Also, some cars will reset the sensors just by driving; you may not need the expensive Autel tool.
2011 Hyundai Tucson, can you remove all TPMS sensors and install 4 normal stems & pass emission/inspection?
And or can we disabled the TPMS light?
I really don’t know. I would guess no because all new cars have to come with tpms here in Canada. I’m sure it’s possible to edit the vehicle software, just not a simple task.
@@mattrampone8457 The TPMS isn't part of the emissions control system; it doesn't trip the CEL. Where I live, if the CEL is on, you won't be able to pass the test. In some states (NY for one) it must be operational or you'll fail. That's true in many Europeam countrioes, too.
I guess I missed it. Before pulling out old valve stem. Was the old sensor removed first ?
No you didn’t these wheels I bought used didn’t have them in it.
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Something is fishy going on at the end.
Based on the weight of the new sensors….tires might be out of balance
I could tell you don't know too much about fixing a car. Those sensors to do not weigh much!. You will not need to balance the wheel. But say if the wheels needed to be balance! It will cost you no more than 30.00 or less. That is so much better than spending at least 300.00 or.more to have 4 sensors to be install at the tire store.
@@Joe-ge6jo don’t be a dick!
Can I use this method on sport tires to unseat bead and replace sensor?
It's rather unlikely. shorter sidewalls dramatically increase the difficulty of this method. My tire guy has a machine and he works cheap-plus it's how we catch up on the local (country) scene.
Why did you do this video in the dark...?
Neat hack, this is thinking outside the box. However, I'm too lazy to do it, so I just might use a piece of electrical tape to "fix" my sensor problem.
Thats how alot of my stuff gets fixed 😂
Duh, I'm not all that smart but, are you serious? Tell me, where on the tire to put the tape?
@@luthergarrett6389put tape over the light on the dash.
Just a heads up that this will only work with high aspect ratio tires, ie trucks.
You sir are correct. I can’t imagine this working on low profile tires
excellent trick.. alittle too much work to install a sensor. i would rather pay the $15/ tire to have them install them and get them all done in about 30 minutes. whats up with the nice truck, nice scanner, and don't take this the wrong way, but a crappy floor jack?? but you had a great informative video !!! thank you.
Lol, I’ve had that floor jack since I was 16! My dad got it for me and it still works, but your right it is crappy!
@@mattrampone8457 is working used, it is important for you. Hi from Chihuahua México.
Here in New York they get $150 to install a sensor.
Does this have Honda Odyssey 2007 EX on the list of compatible vehicle?
Yup
Thank you! I'd rather do it this way than use a jack and the car's weight.
Can you post the link where your purchase the Autel 508 please?
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