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Most things about the Grey Knights honestly sounds like it was written by an edgy 12 year old trying to make his homemade chapter the bestest and hardcorest
As a new-ish fan I've gone through what I think is a standard progression of thinking the grey Knights are the most mysterious - coolest - most badass - edgy - questionable - dumbest - please stop chapter in 40k
"The Grey Knights shall be kept as a secret for the Imperium and every citizen aware of them shall be executed" meanwhile the Grey Knights are wearing unique shiny armours with massive books strapped to them. Grimderp/20
Legit if they just wore armour of other chapters noone would know shit chaptermasters know about them anyway so they can cover for em if needed no need to murder poor guardsmen and citizens
@@olorin3815 no Astartes of any chapter or Legion engages in such Purported Habit, tactic or stratagem, Astartes we're never made to operate covertly, as secret as their existence must necessarily be kept
Yep, having a debate about the stupidity of psyker Geller fields (the logistics alone would collapse the Imperium within a week) on another comment thread and had a GW fanboy (or employee) going that exact place
A parody of what? And if things are not supposed to make sense I guess I can just write a story about Grey Knights allying with a Khorne warband to kill a bunch of exodite eldar that were minding their own business and feed them to the tyranids. What? Its not supposed to make sense right?
The Grey Knights derpiness reminds me of how they fought alongside the Tallarn Desert Raiders against a massive demon incursion. After the Tallarn guardsmen and Grey Knights successfully stopped the incursion, the Grey Knights slaughtered all the remaining Guardsmen because "HURR DURR YOU WITNESSED US AND DEMONS LOL". If you really wanted to keep it secret then why not induct the guardsmen as a support army for the Grey Knights/Ordo Maleus considering they are now probably pretty good at fighting demons. It just seems stupid.
Anyone that actually supports this is just looking for more grimderpness. It's actually fucking retarded the grey knights are reduced to I'm the most pure and incorruptible and I also murder the innocent because why not??
@@deron2203 What's funny about all this is that they're supposed to have a piece of armor called the Cuirass of sacrifice' as to never forget the regiments that fell to extinction fighting alongside them. So you think they'd have more tact regarding friendly fire.
From what I can tell, I think the Grey Knights prefer to try to get the Guardsmen killed in battle. Enough Guardsmen _will_ turn the tide against a Daemonic horde, but leaves a lot of loose ends to deal with, so I think the Grey Knights plan their strategies so that by the end of a major battle or a campaign, _most_ of the cooperating Guardsmen have already been slain, if not _all_ of them. They _deliberately_ plan their campaigns so that any witnesses are likely to die when and where they can be the most useful, meaning that there may only be a dozen Guardsmen left to put down by the end.
I would like to see a senario where after Grey Knights finish a incursion, and kill all the guardsmen. Than one day later another wave of demons pop up and the Grey Knights would just be by themselves afterwards. Its going to bite them in the ass eventually.
@@mugenokami2201 Sounds like one of the few things they'd colab on. That and some meme (since those can act like mind viruses but both have something to contribute.)
I've heard a few stories from city kids who had a little freakout when they went camping for the first time, and if people can live under train tracks and get a full night's sleep living in a baneblade would be fine and could definitely lead to sleep dependence. Just think of it in terms of the kinds of sounds. They wouldn't be random, it would be the same engine, beeps, and servo sounds repeated regularly. That's exactly the kind of stimulus that can become subconscious, it's the same mechanism in your brain that lets you hear when the engine of your car sounds wrong
Same here, lived near the Main Street in my home city with constant traffic noise day and night, and definitely had problems sleeping without that background noise to the point that I use headphones with white noise to sleep now.
there have been studies about sleep, as long as the noise/shudder is relatively consistent, you will fall asleep in about 10 minutes. if there are surprising or random sounds, that's what keeps you up.
During my first tour in Afghanistan (2003) we found out that the locals called us The Helmet Wearers (there were lots of SOF at Asadabad and they wouldn't wear helmets when they left). The story was that we had to kill our own mothers to get the helmet. I take a lot of the grimderp as similar stories.
The dumbest part of grey Knight trials is not the difficulty involved considering they need to be incorruptible I think that is fine It's the non stop mind wipes that are grim derp any lessons you learned during your trials removed anything that gave you a strong will from your life before the trials deleted it is counter productive
this^ being mind wiped every 30 minutes is already silly enough (and i'd imagine that giving brain cancer in the first 6 months of service to one of the best of the best after spending millions in resources creating and arming him would be kinda counterproductive) but doing it to a powerful psyker whose power literally comes from their high intelligence, knowledge of the way the warp works and powerful imagination is just cutting their legs off right from the start... might as well mind wipe them, take their brains, use them as fuel in some form of weapon that gives you a warp shield or fires warp energy bolts then give those to normal space mehrines...there...just saved the imperium 10million imperial credits per soldier each day, made the space marines even more op and grimdark AND saved the environment by creating a way to recycle all those powerful and juicy psyker brains.
@@thewhompingwampa2671 :a wild nurgling appears: grey knight 1: "aaaaaaah what is that thing?! kill it with fire!!!!" :purging follows: grey knight 2 : "ufff we survived the day...lets go home for some well deserved rest" grey knight 1: "yeah...fortunately for us it's not like we'll fight weird things like these every day!" :goes home, gets mind wiped: :next day->wild nurgling appears: grey knight 1: "aaaaaaah what is that thing?! kill it with fire!!!!" ...
I am impressed that nobody talks about the grimderp way the Inquisition handled the rightful protest of the Celestial Lions. The Lore paints Space Marines as an extremely rare and powerful resource for any general or admiral in pretty much every theater of war. Like a single company of around 100 Marines tipping the scales of entire sector spanning wars. So nobody in his or her right mind would go around and make it their life goal to wipe out an entire chapter of highly loyal Marines, especially in a war like the one for Armageddon. "Ork Snipers" are a meme for a reason. When the Celestial Lions left Armageddon with less then 95 Marines, without any Apothecaries, all Gene Seed of their fallen brothers lost and damned to rebuild their strength for generations before becoming a fraction of the force they once were, the Inquisition had to kick them further by denying them the means to create Primaris Marines, denying them reinforcements, when their homeworld was destroyed by a warband of Chaos Space Marines and send out a Callidus assassin to kill their Chapter Master. At one point in that story the Inquisition could have left it as a message send loud and clear, but they had to go even further out of pure spite. That nobody in said Inquisition tried to intervene in that kind of destruction of allied forces, or any other authority of the empire for that matter, is also highly grimderp.
Thats because a fraction of the inquisition are literal heretics who think that Big E wanted eternal War. So they do anything and everything to gimp the Imperium anytime it gets a win.
I remember when I first read (or rather listened to the audiobook) the first Eisenhorn novel the sensibility of the inquisition was kind of jarring. Before that my knowledge of them was they were basically an exaggerated to the point of comedy version of the Gestapo. But the Eisenhorn books have them being a grounded, multifaceted organization that genuinely has the best interests of the Imperium at heart.
@@aceofspadesguy4913 For every dozen inquisitors, there are at least 2 who should be removed from office/purged for causing more harm to the imperium than good. This is the way I have always viewed it, the fuck ups tend to stand out more than the successes.
The problem with the inquisition is each individual inquisitor gets to decide what they think heresy is. So you end up with a bunch of assholes, extremists, and crazies mixed in with the sensible ones.
Yea that was completely insane. And here's the thing, the Celestial lions were a pretty nice chapter of dudes, before they got pushed into the arms of chaos by stupid inquisitors.
One thing I find funny about GW and them getting all high and mighty about their IP is how often they will "borrow" ideas or pay homage to other IPs. It's kinda funny when you start to think about it
Warhammer 40k is just Dune-ship troopers. They copy everything, and then copyright all of it. Entire genres of space sci-fi were non proliferating and dead for decades because of them. Their existence has taken an irreparable toll on culture that they can never be worth.
Another big Grimderp moment was what happened in the story, "Death of Integrity". To give context, Archmagos Plosk meets an AI from the DAOT about 15,000 years before the current setting of Warhammer. In that story, the AI tells the Archmagos how the ship warp traveled in time thousands of years into the future. The crew saw the future of the galaxy, that it will slowly be consumed by chaos. When the captain went to the nearest planet to warn humanity, he and his crew were called heretics and brutally tortured to death. The Grimderpness in this situation is the length that the Imperium goes whenever they hear about stuff from the DAOT. Yet, when people from the that very timeline, with working technology to back up their claims, come to your doorstep to warn you, no one, not even an Inquisitor, someone from the Mechanicus, or a Noble decided to do a thorough investigation on their claims. Not even the threats involving chaos, which anyone in a position of power that is loyal to the Imperium would take seriously. They just simply label them heretics just to show how much humans have fallen from their prime.
First off it's the DAOT, an event where events like the the men of iron eventually occurred and humanity became superstitious about a.i, and those who don't worship the emperor must die. It's not that hard to understand, while they did saw the future, the inquisitor wouldn't be able to find any evidence to see If their even telling the truth to begin with. It's like if someone told me the big bang will happen next month, there's no literal evidence to back it up. So why should I believe some random crazy person.
Excluding all the fantasy elements shit like this happens all the time Good people getting silenced, censored or killed for trying to help those around them is a very common thing throughout the ages.
I disagree with that part of the BA recruitment. The way they have to kill each other in several rounds of combat is way more stupid. They are put in the Sarcophagus because it rapidly ages them to adulthood and grows all of their organs except for the Black Carapace. Dante goes from small, malnourished, lightly mutated boy to sexy Neophyte in just a few months, same for his friends that made it. What actually makes them go insane during that coma are the Visions of Sanguinius that come with the Gene-Seed, so they would've gone mad anyway sooner than later.
The bullet blessings being "blessed blood" makes even less sense not only cause blood blessed or not would ruin the bullets but there's also the fact normal sacred oils and stuff EXISTS in 40k.
Yeah that whole story about the "incorruptible" Grey Knights killing the sisters and covering themselves in their "blood" to prevent being "corrupted" by the "Blood God" is both top shelf derp and dumb. Maybe GWs lore masters took that day off work.
I'm so glad they retconned it in later editions, now the GK need innocent blood to perform the banishment ritual to send all the deamons back to the warp, and the sisters volunteered theirs. THAT'S the kind of tragic sacrifice stuff that says grimdark to me
@@retrospectus From retarded lore breaking cruelty to a noble sacrifice. Thank fuck they fixed that, the writer of the original grim derp moment managed to massively disrespect the sisters of battle and the grey knights at the same time.
Autoloaders have been a thing since World War 1. I can see the Mechanicus having superior ones that require far less manual input to operate, but the rest of the Imperium would still use them. Not having those would doom their ships to be annihilated by every other race.
But thats literaly stupid... they will never go to war with any other faction of the Imperium. All this would achieve is their own destruction because their allies run out of ammo slaves.
Well that would make sense for some insane levels of technology, not loading mechanisms. Plus even if that was a case, every space battle fought by the imperium would be probably lost, as using slaves just doesn't make any sense from several points of view
The grimderp of the grey knights had me thinking they were the strongest. Then I learned about the custodies and realized how derpy the Grey knights lore is.
IMO the Grey Knights should be stronger than Custodes. Not in physical contest sure but in a real life and death fight ... a custodes has no chance against a Grey Knight ... then again I would argue that any Librarian can zap a custodes... but whatever.
@@MrFallenone a custodes is supposedly immune to psyker powers due to a strong psykic( ? psykcic? psykic?... using brain powers!) imprint made on them using the emperor's own power which makes them shine in the immaterium as if they had a golden halo surrounding their souls (or heads? cant recall...) they're effectively like blanks except they still have...you know...souls and empathy and dont make a whole ship feel uncomfortable when they leave their cabins to go pee and all that the thunder warriors also supposedly had the same...improvement...but the emps considered it was too much work to go around single handedly protecting his marines minds one by one when they could just fall dead from a stray bullet the next day so he just did that to custodes and left all the others fall to cha...i mean...less protected...
@@pedromoura1446 not really that just makes them immune to corruption of the mind and soul has shown in both the tabletop game and in various novels the moment they face a proper psyker that doesn't rely on bending peoples to their will and without the company of sisters of battle they get trashed this is why the sisters of battle are even a thing No thunder warriors weren't immune in fact when exposed to raw warp energy they instantly degenerate into hulk-looking berserkers
i could understand why baneblade cruisers when they're constantly in a fight why silence would make them extremely tense, with the amount of bullet bruising their tank and explosions happening almost non-stop around them, silence can only mean one of two things: dead people, or death and since they're clearly still alive it means death for them, plus they could've been bio-enginereed in way that conflit makes them feel more comfortable, but with the opposite when it's too calm, doesn't seem too far-fetched in a world like warhammer40K
Yo Major, since you made a video on loyal marines from traitor legions, I was wondering if you'd be interested in traitor marines from loyal legions? since apparently in the lore, all legions had traitors, even though I've never heard of any of them other than the fallen dark angels.
There was a whole ass event where several loyalist chapters were sent to the Eye of Terror to perform a repentance Crusade by a corrupt Ecclesiarch. This basically created a ton of traitor warbands, and I think only one of all those chapters sent stayed loyal in the end.
I really hate it when GW retcons stuff such as the Gellar field being a thing of science and technology to something like a comatose psyker just for grimdarkness. Aswell as it seems that only the super humans get new toys while the Guard gets fuck all. Is it too much to ask for new equipement for the Guard I'd take a reformation of the Solar Auxilia with their better equipement. Would prefer equipment like tanks/IFVs that are more in line with our Modern militaries such as remote/servitor controlled turrets.
BTW, how would that work? psycher get corrupted by Warp all the time, even more when using Warp power when in the Warp. But this one psycher can use his power to protect the whole ship and there is no risk?
They do realize that that recon essentially means the psyker can never be woken up, due to the fact they would probably have gone fucking nuts in their sleep right?
Honestly, I think it would. The Iron Warriors just wanted a way to birth Marines more rapidly. The fact that they don't care about the suffering they inflict _is_ their particular brand of evil. On the other hand, the Night Lords wage a war of terror on the Imperium. They wouldn't keep the Daemonculaba a secret. The Emperor's Children would make it even worse for the lulz, all just because they're cooked in the brain. X)
the tank crew, going crazy, has real world proof. i worked on off shore oil rigs and they are loud! its never quiet, and when u get on them you cant sleep but after 2or 3 days you stop hearing the loud noises and you just get used to it. but when you get home, the quiet is so loud and deafining it will fck with you for a couple of days till you get used to being home. so i hope this helps.
The whole conceit of "Grey Knights have to kill loyalists when they see them" was a lame attempt to justify why the Grey Knights would fight certain factions in spite of being incorruptible. So, having written himself into a corner, Matt Ward decided that the best way to reconcile it would be to make the Grey Knights incredibly stupid... y'know, instead of just... not resolving it at all. Grey Knights infighting other Imperial armies with your buddies around a gaming table (and various other lore-breaking encounters, like Tyranids and Necrons, or Sisters of Battle and Tau) is one of those things probably best written off by the MST3K mantra, rather than trying to justify it in universe... poorly. For a similarly-themed palette cleanser, there used to be a section in the old 3.5th "Daemonhunters" codex that was devoted to the reasons that Grey Knights would fight that faction. And the Chaos entry read something to the effect of "...seriously?" That was admittedly pretty funny.
I just don't understand why its not just agreeing that the game and lore are separate, having to justify why games have astartes vs astartes matches so often is so dumb.
@@joedatius Maybe there wouldn't be so many Adeptus Astartes vs Adeptus Astartes matches if GW didn't push them so hard and almost force everyone to have Astartes.
@@joedatius They could have just said “The various chapters sometimes compete in war games.” But who am I kidding? This is the same company that willingly threw away millions of potential profits in free advertising just because they wanted people to watch their shitty animations.
Actually I find that whole loss of technology a bit grimderp. I get that inovation is extremely limited, and that some technologies are limited to certain forge worlds, since admechs are assholes and want to keep the best things for themselves, but c'mon. Like you are telling me that imperium lost the technology to built different rounds for autocannons, but still can built gellar fields, warp drives, plasma and grav weaponry and far more? I see how they could lose some kind of hardcore tech, but often its just something that could be easily reinvented back from other, still available, pieces of technology (which is something that admechs do a lot). Another example of this is that one kind of warship, thats so big that nobody knows how to build it anymore, but admechs will then proceed to build literal moons and space ports surrounding whole planets
They probably do know how to do it (after all they do worship technology), but dogma is a big thing. I´d like to imagine it goes a bit like this; " Look, I conveniently found the STC for this piece we were missing and totally didn t reverse-engineer or invent it".
@malfuy Actually its the best grimdark part of 40k. Its not just that they lost technology its that they don't believe in it. Humanity died to AI in a war in the dark ages of man. To invest in and study what almost destroyed humanity is dangerous. So instead they worship the emperor and collect relics of old tech. To research new tech is heresy. Its the 'death' of knowledge that makes 40k so scary
@@seanbirtwistle649 well that would maybe be the case if Imperium actually worked like that. However, in lore, there are numerous examples of admechs (and sometimes even other factions, like Astartes or the Inquisition) reinventing or straight up inventing new stuff. The whole thing is more like "yeah we feel a bit grimdark today so we will randomly forget how to make ammo for 21st century-tier weapon, but we will invent an extremely advanced biotoxin which will destroy the whole hive fleet tommorow". Completely grimdark theme is good for tabletop, artworks and other stuff like that, but when you actually want to make some dynamic, believable and enjoyable stories taking place in that universe, the whole setting has to be somewhat functional in the first place
I always imagined the 40k lore to be straight from an imperial library. Sometimes spot on. Sometimes filled to the brim with propaganda and superstition. So if you don’t believe certain aspects, that’s totally fine.
7:06 This, I just disagree with it. There is a too far in grimdark too, when it's just over the line. Every ship that travels uses a Gellar field. Even travelling in-between planets can take years. That much grimdark, is just too much. It makes the setting unloveable and psychotic. Aka there are transport ships, small ships with 10-100 people. Those too have a tortured psycher? And the small to big ferry ships transporting food and resources? It's very close to grimdirt. I think this could still fit to be in the grimdark category, maybe. But at that point, it's just easier to sympathize with orcs, hoping they would destroy humanity, than actually be interested in any of the lore.
Bruh it's called the warp, the immaturium, of fucking course it'll take years, it's not star wars hyper drive, plus they never said it would take years. And no psyhers don't get tortured in small ships all the time. Food resources usually arrive on time aswell as other resources. You're literally complaining for the sake of complaining for something that is explained in websites therefore you think "Noooo it's too edgy". News flash it's really notm
As soon as he explained grimderp, I immediately thought of Vulcans unnecessarily shift of character for that incident where he burned an elder child alive. Almost like the author went all “Vulcan can be edgy too…”
Never used to like major kill now he's who I watch and listen too when I'm feeling down. When thinking of my parents death you bring a smile and laughs out of me on a subject that really doesn't have any. Thanks for all the ENTERTAINMENT!!!
The climax of Devastation of Baal was a double dose of grimderp ex machina. A Daemon Prince was able to overcome a binding from Mephisto (psykers should have been rendered to gibbering schizoids from the shadow by this point), manifest through the shadow in the warp, completely shatter the Hive Mind causing well over 50% of Leviathan's net losses, then the Swarmlord skewers Dante like a summer BBQ only for Robot Girlyman to show up at the last possible moment to clean up the mess and somehow able to miraculously heal a dude who, by all rights should have been split clean in half. Girlyman saving the day I can let slide. Effectively ignoring what the Shadow in the Warp does to progress the plot, fuck no.
Ka'Bandha is a Greater Daemon not a Daemon Prince Great Rift>>>>>>>>>SitW Another way to counter SitW is to use more Warp power. It's all about power when it comes to the Warp
@@christiandauz3742 This has been literally the only time SitW has been completely removed by force on such a scale. There have been numerous occasions where other smaller fleets have gotten closer to the GR with even more greater/Prince daemons without completely shattering their synaptic link across the entire sector. The author could have written this part much, much better, like having a full on daemonic incursion, not one single daemonic entity.
After hearing about the implications of some of these moments: “Smart, very smart!” (Anonymous Kasrkin) “A sound tactical move!” (Tau commander) With a sarcastic tone of course.
Regarding the Grey Knights, I think they are depicted pretty logically. Considering their selection process, you would certainly not expect mentally healthy, balanced and rational soldiers to emerge.
I think that Eldar Ranger being eaten alive in the Tau Codex (3rd ed I think) was a bit grim derp. Like I get the Kroot are supposed to be savages but come on, that's a bit much. I mean who wants their food to fight back?
Apparently the kroot since their whole culture literally revolve around going around eating literally anything they think it's edible and can mutate them into a stronger form
I would have believed the “can’t leave my baneblade” if it was them feeling like a god and indestructible inside vs being a frail basic dude outside next to other guardsmen.
yeah my least favorite thing about the Grey Knights is definitely the whole "you cannot know of their existence" but like, the warp is somewhat known????? Just be like, "oh these are totally Ultra Marines, dont look into it, Guardsman." The chances of that guardsman seeing an actual Ultra Marine is so slim that they would probably believe it
HAHAHAHA I’m Venezuelan and as you were talking I was like “yeah unless you live back home” and then you dropped the bomb, that was priceless brother!!!! 😂😂😂 I’m pretty sure I’m the only dude from there who plays 40K btw (I live in Florida so now I get to play a shit ton, don’t be sad ladies)
03:04 I always take a big issue when franchises do this whole “only the strongest will survive” stuff. What a great idea to sacrifice some of the greatest fighters there is, instead of grooming them to their full potential. It also makes the Grey Knight look pathetic if they die in droves in a given mission.
every time i see a space marine die in a non heroic way all i can think of is that they went through all of that training of being the best of the best of the best, being able to be genetically compatible with the gene seed, and not dying as a scout marine, only to die instantly to a bolter round or something similarly dumb
I feel like the manual loading of specific munitions would come down to imperial red-tape. Like the missiles must be loaded "by hand" because theyre too volitile and dangerous to be done by machine or its some kind of, almost, ritualistic thing
For me it is the Space Marine trials for new recruits. And the related art work. It looks great, it sounds though ass and the art depicts it as two huge Arnolds duking it out or wrestling some monstrous alien. And then we’re told those are pre puberty boys of like 10 years old. I now it’s the 40k world, but even Cadian kids only just have learned to snipe at that age. And we’re to believe 10 year olds are supposed to pass current day special forces recruitment tests and then hunt for their own breakfast that must consist of a facehugger, two Predators, Chtulu and a T-Rex.
the big issue is how its so fucking common, when every fucking chapter has a whole set of stupidly complex then it just makes them all not impressive or interesting.
the Banebladepart isnt grimderp. Ive been in naval deployment for almost 3 years straight due to me jumping from ship to ship just to keep going on operations. by the time i was done with that, and my government finaly noticved that i shouldnt do that i was unable to sleep for days without serious medication. you see, on a Military ship, you have a vent blowing air into your face nonstop while you sleep. the first thing, the Techies do when there is a Fire on the ship is turn that off. so that you dont accidently suffocate or poison the whole crew just ebcause theres a fire in one room. that happens even before the alarm is rung. my hotelroom didnt have the constant noise of 50.000 Horsepower gasturbine engine humming in the background nor the vent constantly blowing in my face. the lack of noise and the alarm of "the vent is off, there is fire!" kept me from sleeping. you might not lose your shit right away, but if you are depraved of sleep for days because your body is in nonstop alarm-mode due tot he lack of noise and ratteling around you: you will go nuts.
Grey Knights: We must save humanity from the chaos... by killing everyone! We cannot trust the living to resist the chaos, we must save them from themselves! See at this point I'm wondering if the Grey Knights have already BEEN corrupted...
I've heard it said that the ships use humans because their "cheaper", but when you need to feed them 2,000-2,500 calories a day, plus a couple of litres of water, as well as air, sleeping quarters, ect. they end up becoming quiet expensive in cost, logistics and combat effectiveness.
I love the names you have for your prints, "space elf death lord" I assume is maugan ra and not to mention the "space elf long-looker" LMAO. I really need to invest in a printer, but at the moment I'm working through a massive backlog of models from my vlka fenrika and imperial guard armies.
My step dad works at a plant and is used to noise. There's a condition that can occur that leads to noise being a requirement when sleeping, this is why noise machines exist.
I would say the penitent engine and mortifiers, I get the idea for harsh punishments for cowardice can lend into the grimdark but these vehicles just sound like they were written by edgy 13 year olds who main Dark Eldar, what a lot of GW writers need to understand torture needs to be grounded in reality and be actually believable in order to have an impact on the reader. Just read any Joe Abercrombie torture scene and compare that to 40k grimderp. Also Dead Sky Dark Sun. If you know then you know.
Space Marine recruitment is the thing that gets me the most. There's nothing wrong with some risky and even life-threatening training when the end result is a walking demigod, but the specific rituals involved are sometimes just stupid. It's one thing to have a test of endurance so difficult some people happen to die trying. It's another thing entirely to pick up a large pool of the planet's best and most promising youth, only to drop them into a meat grinder of deadly trials and risky surgeries. If they weren't so wasteful and saw the deaths of recruits as unfortunate yet sometimes unavoidable, rather than an intended feature to filter out the chaff, it would look much less stupid.
I love the grey knights and blood angels but the trials are sometimes just stupid, like you sacrifice millions of potential soldiers just to get 1 superhuman soldier who "MIGHT" just get one shot by a powerful enemy leader anyway. Think they could lower that number abit or give a good reason why so many people have to die like it gives the Grey knights some kind of power boost as they watch their friends die or something....not just like lul many peple die, dis darkkk
I worked at a loud ass steel mill for years, driving cranes. Constant machinery, always on, always very loud. Ever since then, I can't handle complete silence, it sounds 'wrong'. I have to have a fan on at all times, even while I sleep. I will toss and turn for hours if I don't have background noise while attempting to sleep. So I can understand how a Baneblade occupant might need that background noise, too. All your other Grimderp moments were spot on, though.
As Outsider looking into the Lore. It seems like the theme of fighting against the dying of the light, but some writers and fans want it to be completely hopeless. Like the return of RG and his gradual fixing of the Imperium actually being a beacon of Hope, but also him knowing that some aspects of the Imperium he can’t get rid of quite yet…
The difficulty of creating the blessed ammunition is compounded by the fact that Grey Knights use storm bolters, weapons known for their high fire rate.
With the whole militarium and their tanks, people who have done long stints in prison have a REALLY hard time adjusting to a normal bedroom. Friend of a friend came out after 15 years and literally needed a guard to stand by his bedroom door just so he could sleep. Hated silence, needed background noise, couldnt take him anywhere as he was always like “what’s he doing? Where’s he going? Shits about to go down better get out” at a dominos pizza shop… Veterans have hard times adjusting to civvy life too
i was in the Army (infantry) for 6 years and its actually true about getting used to the noise and needing background noise you get anxious in silence and 90% have tinnitus so if its quiet your ears ring very loud and for sleep all soldiers have a shit time sleeping i know i sleep with the TV on watching something.
As a navy soldier I can tell you this: People get so used to the ship noises, that some of them need to turn on a vacuum cleaner to be able to sleep. Took me 3 years, to be able to sleep in silence again.
The Grey knights are secret because the other space marine chapters would throw a hissy fit of epic proportions simply because of the toys they get to play with, like the armor less gundam
I can speak from experience that there are mental disorders that can make it where if things are to silent it can drive a person crazy sensory deprivation disorder is one so I can see tank operators developing something like that just like saviors can develop sea legs that can make it hard to adjust back to life on land
There is a very old 40k story A border Prince read. A planetary governor discovered an ancient primarch bolt pistol on his planet and it immediately became a very valuable religious artifact. The problem was that he thought the pistol was used by Guiliman but it was actually a pistol used by Horus. This somehow made the pistol a demonic artifact so what did the inquisition do about it? Insted of using one of many spys and secret agents they have to steal and replace the pistol, an inquisitor convinced a space marine chapter to do a suprise attack on the planets capital. The suprise attack destroyed all the capitals defences and also killed all the high ranking people in the capital who were luerd into a trap. This included tech pristis and memebers of the ecclesiarchy
To be fair, the Iron Hands probably believe, they are doing the failing aspirant a favor by turning them into a servitor. While they do not become Space Marines, they still "ascend" to higher beings.
FYI, Hector Rex had those SoB executed as a ‘f*ck you’ to the Ordo Hereticus, who had not only started the Vraksian war in the first place, but constantly f*cked with him during the war because they wanted to get him fired-so that they could put one of their own in charge and cover up their mistakes.
Oh, how about that Hunter tank the Space Marines have, with the missiles it fires containing dead Chapter Serfs who are intended to act as a guidance system?
2:48 Wholeheartedly agree. The Revenant legion was very grimdark. A bunch of depressed super soldiers feeling no worth in life, and that depression getting inherited through eating their own and recovering experience. But due to the inherited depression, marines are more prone to charge into battle and seek death. Making a vicious circle. Yet, they kept fighting, as they had to upkeep their legion, and their progress. Compared to this, being the sons of Sanguinius, and living by his code, trying to be good enough for him, but doing that with Aspirants? Just doesn't seem right.
The whole I can’t sleep if it’s quiet thing is something they took from real life. It’s a ptsd thing from like solders who spent to much time on the front lines in like WW2 and Vietnam. From the constant shooting and explosions. If things go quiet it means something is fucked up and your about to die kind of thing
As somebody that works as an engineer on a ship i can see how silence could make you crazy. We work and sleep in loud enviroment with loud sounds of metal squealing and grinding etc. Worst thing os when shit stops making sound then you know it stoped working loool
A continent sized craftworld was sacrificed to sell the hot new 'nid model... that's billions of lives, one 'nid. Nah, mate, I'm not drinking that cool aid.
Had a friend who was stationed in an area with a lot of gun and mortar fire. Told me he couldn't sleep for months after getting back because it felt like something was wrong when it was to quiet. So i can see how people feeling safe inside a loud tank might work.
I interpreted the executing of the sisters on vraks as a mercy instead of a punishment. They were tortured so thoroughly that they were just empty shells by the end
but thats dumb because grey knights are literally made by torturing them until they're empty shells. if anything they should just thrown them through the grey knights initiation process and made them a separate wing of the organization
I always thought that Baneblade crews went mad when removed from their tanks because of their connection to the machine spirit. Kind of how titan precepts eventually go crazy when separated from their titan. Baneblade machine spirits are much weaker, but their crews also have much less powerful wills.
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Please do lore on Eldar exodites and corsairs please
A grim deep moment sepheris secundus is just unfiltered grimderp in a form of a planet
Inquisitor: "We have to save this Imperial planet!"
*saves planet*
Inquisitor: "Good job everyone! Now destroy the entire planet!"
We did it Patrick! We saved the citizens of the Imperium!
"We are here to save you!"
"Hooray! It's the Inquisition!"
"From yourselves!"
"Oh no! It's the Inquisition!"
@@Necroxion Boondock. Saints.
@@Necroxion "From yourselves" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Most things about the Grey Knights honestly sounds like it was written by an edgy 12 year old trying to make his homemade chapter the bestest and hardcorest
As a new-ish fan I've gone through what I think is a standard progression of thinking the grey Knights are the most mysterious - coolest - most badass - edgy - questionable - dumbest - please stop chapter in 40k
@@Lil-ik3kh haha same
He-Which-I-Shall-Not-Name, you mean? X)
The idea of Grey knights is really cool. Theyre like space paladins.
But then the shit writers make them do is dumb, and only getting dumber.
"The Grey Knights shall be kept as a secret for the Imperium and every citizen aware of them shall be executed" meanwhile the Grey Knights are wearing unique shiny armours with massive books strapped to them. Grimderp/20
Yeah because the uneducated masses who likely never see an astartes would be like "hmm that's clearly a special top secret unit"
Legit if they just wore armour of other chapters noone would know shit chaptermasters know about them anyway so they can cover for em if needed no need to murder poor guardsmen and citizens
Also, almost most of them are either aware or deal with Chaos.
Cadia, Ministorum Priests, and Sisters of Battle.
@@olorin3815 no Astartes of any chapter or Legion engages in such Purported Habit, tactic or stratagem, Astartes we're never made to operate covertly, as secret as their existence must necessarily be kept
These decorations are for protection against the immaterium
"But 40k is a parody!! It is not supposed to make sense!"
-A common counter arguement from someone who's trying to defend the grimderpness.
Yep, having a debate about the stupidity of psyker Geller fields (the logistics alone would collapse the Imperium within a week) on another comment thread and had a GW fanboy (or employee) going that exact place
@@maddlarkin Uhhh, how are geller fields stupid?
@@K4inan watch the video mate. Psykers didn't exist at the time when the 1st geller fields were made
@@K4inan He means the psyker based fields.
A parody of what?
And if things are not supposed to make sense I guess I can just write a story about Grey Knights allying with a Khorne warband to kill a bunch of exodite eldar that were minding their own business and feed them to the tyranids.
What? Its not supposed to make sense right?
The Grey Knights derpiness reminds me of how they fought alongside the Tallarn Desert Raiders against a massive demon incursion. After the Tallarn guardsmen and Grey Knights successfully stopped the incursion, the Grey Knights slaughtered all the remaining Guardsmen because "HURR DURR YOU WITNESSED US AND DEMONS LOL". If you really wanted to keep it secret then why not induct the guardsmen as a support army for the Grey Knights/Ordo Maleus considering they are now probably pretty good at fighting demons. It just seems stupid.
Anyone that actually supports this is just looking for more grimderpness. It's actually fucking retarded the grey knights are reduced to I'm the most pure and incorruptible and I also murder the innocent because why not??
@@deron2203 What's funny about all this is that they're supposed to have a piece of armor called the Cuirass of sacrifice' as to never forget the regiments that fell to extinction fighting alongside them. So you think they'd have more tact regarding friendly fire.
From what I can tell, I think the Grey Knights prefer to try to get the Guardsmen killed in battle. Enough Guardsmen _will_ turn the tide against a Daemonic horde, but leaves a lot of loose ends to deal with, so I think the Grey Knights plan their strategies so that by the end of a major battle or a campaign, _most_ of the cooperating Guardsmen have already been slain, if not _all_ of them. They _deliberately_ plan their campaigns so that any witnesses are likely to die when and where they can be the most useful, meaning that there may only be a dozen Guardsmen left to put down by the end.
I would like to see a senario where after Grey Knights finish a incursion, and kill all the guardsmen. Than one day later another wave of demons pop up and the Grey Knights would just be by themselves afterwards. Its going to bite them in the ass eventually.
@@Tacoguy1000 They inscribed the names of the Tallarn officers on their armour before killing them, but it still seems stupid.
At the Chaos weekly meeting:
Nurgle: I've infected the galaxy with Derp.
Others: Niiiiiiiiice...
Wouldn't that be Tzeench's jurisdiction?
@@patrickmcginty3234 they worked together on that one me thinks
@@mugenokami2201 Sounds like one of the few things they'd colab on. That and some meme (since those can act like mind viruses but both have something to contribute.)
I've heard a few stories from city kids who had a little freakout when they went camping for the first time, and if people can live under train tracks and get a full night's sleep living in a baneblade would be fine and could definitely lead to sleep dependence. Just think of it in terms of the kinds of sounds. They wouldn't be random, it would be the same engine, beeps, and servo sounds repeated regularly. That's exactly the kind of stimulus that can become subconscious, it's the same mechanism in your brain that lets you hear when the engine of your car sounds wrong
Same here, lived near the Main Street in my home city with constant traffic noise day and night, and definitely had problems sleeping without that background noise to the point that I use headphones with white noise to sleep now.
I’ve seen adult soldiers have trouble with it. Forest sounds are scary to city folk. We mocked the hell out of them.
there have been studies about sleep, as long as the noise/shudder is relatively consistent, you will fall asleep in about 10 minutes. if there are surprising or random sounds, that's what keeps you up.
To add onto this. If you arent regularly hearing those noises it means something is massively wrong
During my first tour in Afghanistan (2003) we found out that the locals called us The Helmet Wearers (there were lots of SOF at Asadabad and they wouldn't wear helmets when they left). The story was that we had to kill our own mothers to get the helmet.
I take a lot of the grimderp as similar stories.
Well i wonder what they say about you fellas now
Bro that is sick know all the grimderp sims plausible and more realistic considering the setting.
Hard to blame them considering the millions of civilians killed while we were there.
@@SN00PICUS and we’re killed before we were there and are being killed even more now. A reason why no one can govern. Everyone has a grudge.
@@SN00PICUS it's closer to 400k throughout the middle east but still fucking terrible
The dumbest part of grey Knight trials is not the difficulty involved considering they need to be incorruptible I think that is fine
It's the non stop mind wipes that are grim derp any lessons you learned during your trials removed anything that gave you a strong will from your life before the trials deleted it is counter productive
It’s not the Imperium if they are not counter productive
this^
being mind wiped every 30 minutes is already silly enough (and i'd imagine that giving brain cancer in the first 6 months of service to one of the best of the best after spending millions in resources creating and arming him would be kinda counterproductive) but doing it to a powerful psyker whose power literally comes from their high intelligence, knowledge of the way the warp works and powerful imagination is just cutting their legs off right from the start...
might as well mind wipe them, take their brains, use them as fuel in some form of weapon that gives you a warp shield or fires warp energy bolts then give those to normal space mehrines...there...just saved the imperium 10million imperial credits per soldier each day, made the space marines even more op and grimdark AND saved the environment by creating a way to recycle all those powerful and juicy psyker brains.
Funny to imagine a bunch of terrified Grey Knights on the Battlefield who bolt the moment a lesser Daemon charges them.
@@thewhompingwampa2671 :a wild nurgling appears:
grey knight 1: "aaaaaaah what is that thing?! kill it with fire!!!!"
:purging follows:
grey knight 2 : "ufff we survived the day...lets go home for some well deserved rest"
grey knight 1: "yeah...fortunately for us it's not like we'll fight weird things like these every day!"
:goes home, gets mind wiped:
:next day->wild nurgling appears:
grey knight 1: "aaaaaaah what is that thing?! kill it with fire!!!!"
...
GW are counter productive
I am impressed that nobody talks about the grimderp way the Inquisition handled the rightful protest of the Celestial Lions. The Lore paints Space Marines as an extremely rare and powerful resource for any general or admiral in pretty much every theater of war. Like a single company of around 100 Marines tipping the scales of entire sector spanning wars. So nobody in his or her right mind would go around and make it their life goal to wipe out an entire chapter of highly loyal Marines, especially in a war like the one for Armageddon. "Ork Snipers" are a meme for a reason. When the Celestial Lions left Armageddon with less then 95 Marines, without any Apothecaries, all Gene Seed of their fallen brothers lost and damned to rebuild their strength for generations before becoming a fraction of the force they once were, the Inquisition had to kick them further by denying them the means to create Primaris Marines, denying them reinforcements, when their homeworld was destroyed by a warband of Chaos Space Marines and send out a Callidus assassin to kill their Chapter Master. At one point in that story the Inquisition could have left it as a message send loud and clear, but they had to go even further out of pure spite. That nobody in said Inquisition tried to intervene in that kind of destruction of allied forces, or any other authority of the empire for that matter, is also highly grimderp.
Thats because a fraction of the inquisition are literal heretics who think that Big E wanted eternal War. So they do anything and everything to gimp the Imperium anytime it gets a win.
I remember when I first read (or rather listened to the audiobook) the first Eisenhorn novel the sensibility of the inquisition was kind of jarring. Before that my knowledge of them was they were basically an exaggerated to the point of comedy version of the Gestapo. But the Eisenhorn books have them being a grounded, multifaceted organization that genuinely has the best interests of the Imperium at heart.
@@aceofspadesguy4913 For every dozen inquisitors, there are at least 2 who should be removed from office/purged for causing more harm to the imperium than good. This is the way I have always viewed it, the fuck ups tend to stand out more than the successes.
The problem with the inquisition is each individual inquisitor gets to decide what they think heresy is.
So you end up with a bunch of assholes, extremists, and crazies mixed in with the sensible ones.
Yea that was completely insane. And here's the thing, the Celestial lions were a pretty nice chapter of dudes, before they got pushed into the arms of chaos by stupid inquisitors.
One thing I find funny about GW and them getting all high and mighty about their IP is how often they will "borrow" ideas or pay homage to other IPs. It's kinda funny when you start to think about it
Warhammer 40k is just Dune-ship troopers. They copy everything, and then copyright all of it. Entire genres of space sci-fi were non proliferating and dead for decades because of them. Their existence has taken an irreparable toll on culture that they can never be worth.
Like the Adeptus Arbites? Or plasteel?
The reloading of a warp drive, where a man has to bring a crystal into a core and perishes with it
Using servitors ... to open doors.
Another big Grimderp moment was what happened in the story, "Death of Integrity". To give context, Archmagos Plosk meets an AI from the DAOT about 15,000 years before the current setting of Warhammer. In that story, the AI tells the Archmagos how the ship warp traveled in time thousands of years into the future. The crew saw the future of the galaxy, that it will slowly be consumed by chaos. When the captain went to the nearest planet to warn humanity, he and his crew were called heretics and brutally tortured to death.
The Grimderpness in this situation is the length that the Imperium goes whenever they hear about stuff from the DAOT. Yet, when people from the that very timeline, with working technology to back up their claims, come to your doorstep to warn you, no one, not even an Inquisitor, someone from the Mechanicus, or a Noble decided to do a thorough investigation on their claims. Not even the threats involving chaos, which anyone in a position of power that is loyal to the Imperium would take seriously. They just simply label them heretics just to show how much humans have fallen from their prime.
First off it's the DAOT, an event where events like the the men of iron eventually occurred and humanity became superstitious about a.i, and those who don't worship the emperor must die. It's not that hard to understand, while they did saw the future, the inquisitor wouldn't be able to find any evidence to see If their even telling the truth to begin with. It's like if someone told me the big bang will happen next month, there's no literal evidence to back it up. So why should I believe some random crazy person.
Excluding all the fantasy elements shit like this happens all the time
Good people getting silenced, censored or killed for trying to help those around them is a very common thing throughout the ages.
@@aczeartk7032 what he meant was that it contradicts the stuff from before
Considering what people would do to get ancient DAOT tech, you think they would of ATLEAST calmed their murder fingers to see.
I disagree with that part of the BA recruitment. The way they have to kill each other in several rounds of combat is way more stupid.
They are put in the Sarcophagus because it rapidly ages them to adulthood and grows all of their organs except for the Black Carapace. Dante goes from small, malnourished, lightly mutated boy to sexy Neophyte in just a few months, same for his friends that made it. What actually makes them go insane during that coma are the Visions of Sanguinius that come with the Gene-Seed, so they would've gone mad anyway sooner than later.
The bullet blessings being "blessed blood" makes even less sense not only cause blood blessed or not would ruin the bullets but there's also the fact normal sacred oils and stuff EXISTS in 40k.
Yeah that whole story about the "incorruptible" Grey Knights killing the sisters and covering themselves in their "blood" to prevent being "corrupted" by the "Blood God" is both top shelf derp and dumb.
Maybe GWs lore masters took that day off work.
I'm so glad they retconned it in later editions, now the GK need innocent blood to perform the banishment ritual to send all the deamons back to the warp, and the sisters volunteered theirs. THAT'S the kind of tragic sacrifice stuff that says grimdark to me
@@retrospectus From retarded lore breaking cruelty to a noble sacrifice. Thank fuck they fixed that, the writer of the original grim derp moment managed to massively disrespect the sisters of battle and the grey knights at the same time.
Where was that even from? I can't find anything on it when searching for it...
Matt Ward. Primarch of grimderp.
DAMN YOU WAAAAARD!!!
To be fair I always saw the manual loading on ships to be the mechanicus trying to stay on top by nerfing the other forces of the imperium
But there’s conveyor belts and pulleys, both of which can be automatic yet low-ish tech.
Autoloaders have been a thing since World War 1. I can see the Mechanicus having superior ones that require far less manual input to operate, but the rest of the Imperium would still use them. Not having those would doom their ships to be annihilated by every other race.
_ACCESS. DENIED._
But thats literaly stupid... they will never go to war with any other faction of the Imperium. All this would achieve is their own destruction because their allies run out of ammo slaves.
Well that would make sense for some insane levels of technology, not loading mechanisms. Plus even if that was a case, every space battle fought by the imperium would be probably lost, as using slaves just doesn't make any sense from several points of view
The grimderp of the grey knights had me thinking they were the strongest. Then I learned about the custodies and realized how derpy the Grey knights lore is.
Oh you should hear about the months of shame and how their mighty chapter master got one shot by an old space wolf
@@bloodangel19 a chapter master and he just struck him mid sentence. but i guess that as a psyker he should have seen that one coming XD
IMO the Grey Knights should be stronger than Custodes. Not in physical contest sure but in a real life and death fight ... a custodes has no chance against a Grey Knight ... then again I would argue that any Librarian can zap a custodes... but whatever.
@@MrFallenone a custodes is supposedly immune to psyker powers due to a strong psykic( ? psykcic? psykic?... using brain powers!) imprint made on them using the emperor's own power which makes them shine in the immaterium as if they had a golden halo surrounding their souls (or heads? cant recall...) they're effectively like blanks except they still have...you know...souls and empathy and dont make a whole ship feel uncomfortable when they leave their cabins to go pee and all that
the thunder warriors also supposedly had the same...improvement...but the emps considered it was too much work to go around single handedly protecting his marines minds one by one when they could just fall dead from a stray bullet the next day so he just did that to custodes and left all the others fall to cha...i mean...less protected...
@@pedromoura1446 not really that just makes them immune to corruption of the mind and soul has shown in both the tabletop game and in various novels the moment they face a proper psyker that doesn't rely on bending peoples to their will and without the company of sisters of battle they get trashed this is why the sisters of battle are even a thing
No thunder warriors weren't immune in fact when exposed to raw warp energy they instantly degenerate into hulk-looking berserkers
i could understand why baneblade cruisers when they're constantly in a fight why silence would make them extremely tense, with the amount of bullet bruising their tank and explosions happening almost non-stop around them, silence can only mean one of two things: dead people, or death and since they're clearly still alive it means death for them, plus they could've been bio-enginereed in way that conflit makes them feel more comfortable, but with the opposite when it's too calm, doesn't seem too far-fetched in a world like warhammer40K
Yo Major, since you made a video on loyal marines from traitor legions, I was wondering if you'd be interested in traitor marines from loyal legions? since apparently in the lore, all legions had traitors, even though I've never heard of any of them other than the fallen dark angels.
That is very interesting, I'll like it so sir Major can see it.
Wait.... How do You know the FALLEN!
There was a whole ass event where several loyalist chapters were sent to the Eye of Terror to perform a repentance Crusade by a corrupt Ecclesiarch. This basically created a ton of traitor warbands, and I think only one of all those chapters sent stayed loyal in the end.
@@electricfeverx976 im pretty sure he means during the horus heresy when loyalist legions were still running around and what traitors came from them.
What is this heresy??
I really hate it when GW retcons stuff such as the Gellar field being a thing of science and technology to something like a comatose psyker just for grimdarkness. Aswell as it seems that only the super humans get new toys while the Guard gets fuck all.
Is it too much to ask for new equipement for the Guard I'd take a reformation of the Solar Auxilia with their better equipement. Would prefer equipment like tanks/IFVs that are more in line with our Modern militaries such as remote/servitor controlled turrets.
BTW, how would that work? psycher get corrupted by Warp all the time, even more when using Warp power when in the Warp. But this one psycher can use his power to protect the whole ship and there is no risk?
@@ludovicm5585 By that logic, the Imperium should be burning though Gellar Psykers like Tyranids through Biomass.
@@ludovicm5585 You raise a valid point, the writer who changed Gellar fields is an edge-tard.
They do realize that that recon essentially means the psyker can never be woken up, due to the fact they would probably have gone fucking nuts in their sleep right?
I would also like it if they expanded on the xenos mostly eldar they need some attention instead of just fanboying over the astartes
The Demoncluaba, sounds more like something the Night lords or Emperors Children would do. NOT the Iron Warriors.
That was my first book of warhammer. It was "cool"
Honestly, I think it would. The Iron Warriors just wanted a way to birth Marines more rapidly. The fact that they don't care about the suffering they inflict _is_ their particular brand of evil.
On the other hand, the Night Lords wage a war of terror on the Imperium. They wouldn't keep the Daemonculaba a secret.
The Emperor's Children would make it even worse for the lulz, all just because they're cooked in the brain. X)
@@Archon3960 But wouldn't it make more sense if the Iron Warriors use machines instead? Maybe cloning? It would be a whole of a lot cheaper.
@@hometownboy6537 Well, they're not Fabius Bile, and ressources are cheap in the Warp.
That, or Honsou is just a massive weirdo. X)
@@Archon3960 Yeah, I guess that could be why. :)
The boots that teleport babies underneath them everytime you take a step is my favorite analogy for this
the tank crew, going crazy, has real world proof.
i worked on off shore oil rigs and they are loud! its never quiet, and when u get on them you cant sleep but after 2or 3 days you stop hearing the loud noises and you just get used to it.
but when you get home, the quiet is so loud and deafining it will fck with you for a couple of days till you get used to being home.
so i hope this helps.
Were you driven mad and institutionalized? No? Then you re wrong
@Aquarium Gravel copy paste is never a goof answer. Except if you are child. Try again
The whole conceit of "Grey Knights have to kill loyalists when they see them" was a lame attempt to justify why the Grey Knights would fight certain factions in spite of being incorruptible. So, having written himself into a corner, Matt Ward decided that the best way to reconcile it would be to make the Grey Knights incredibly stupid... y'know, instead of just... not resolving it at all. Grey Knights infighting other Imperial armies with your buddies around a gaming table (and various other lore-breaking encounters, like Tyranids and Necrons, or Sisters of Battle and Tau) is one of those things probably best written off by the MST3K mantra, rather than trying to justify it in universe... poorly.
For a similarly-themed palette cleanser, there used to be a section in the old 3.5th "Daemonhunters" codex that was devoted to the reasons that Grey Knights would fight that faction. And the Chaos entry read something to the effect of "...seriously?" That was admittedly pretty funny.
I just don't understand why its not just agreeing that the game and lore are separate, having to justify why games have astartes vs astartes matches so often is so dumb.
Matt Ward. All one needs to say to explain ass retarded decisions
@@joedatius Maybe there wouldn't be so many Adeptus Astartes vs Adeptus Astartes matches if GW didn't push them so hard and almost force everyone to have Astartes.
@@joedatius They could have just said “The various chapters sometimes compete in war games.” But who am I kidding? This is the same company that willingly threw away millions of potential profits in free advertising just because they wanted people to watch their shitty animations.
Actually I find that whole loss of technology a bit grimderp. I get that inovation is extremely limited, and that some technologies are limited to certain forge worlds, since admechs are assholes and want to keep the best things for themselves, but c'mon. Like you are telling me that imperium lost the technology to built different rounds for autocannons, but still can built gellar fields, warp drives, plasma and grav weaponry and far more? I see how they could lose some kind of hardcore tech, but often its just something that could be easily reinvented back from other, still available, pieces of technology (which is something that admechs do a lot). Another example of this is that one kind of warship, thats so big that nobody knows how to build it anymore, but admechs will then proceed to build literal moons and space ports surrounding whole planets
They probably do know how to do it (after all they do worship technology), but dogma is a big thing.
I´d like to imagine it goes a bit like this;
" Look, I conveniently found the STC for this piece we were missing and totally didn t reverse-engineer or invent it".
@@entspannter There is a clan on, I think it was Necromunda, which basically does exactly that (and greasing palms to get away with their innovations)
@malfuy
Actually its the best grimdark part of 40k. Its not just that they lost technology its that they don't believe in it. Humanity died to AI in a war in the dark ages of man. To invest in and study what almost destroyed humanity is dangerous. So instead they worship the emperor and collect relics of old tech. To research new tech is heresy. Its the 'death' of knowledge that makes 40k so scary
@@seanbirtwistle649 well that would maybe be the case if Imperium actually worked like that. However, in lore, there are numerous examples of admechs (and sometimes even other factions, like Astartes or the Inquisition) reinventing or straight up inventing new stuff. The whole thing is more like "yeah we feel a bit grimdark today so we will randomly forget how to make ammo for 21st century-tier weapon, but we will invent an extremely advanced biotoxin which will destroy the whole hive fleet tommorow". Completely grimdark theme is good for tabletop, artworks and other stuff like that, but when you actually want to make some dynamic, believable and enjoyable stories taking place in that universe, the whole setting has to be somewhat functional in the first place
@@malfuy9558 yeah its not the most consistent lore
All grimderp moments come from the birth of Timmy
Is Timmy a warp entity? like one based on humilliation?
@@Inshabael. yeah he is
I always imagined the 40k lore to be straight from an imperial library. Sometimes spot on. Sometimes filled to the brim with propaganda and superstition.
So if you don’t believe certain aspects, that’s totally fine.
7:06 This, I just disagree with it. There is a too far in grimdark too, when it's just over the line. Every ship that travels uses a Gellar field. Even travelling in-between planets can take years. That much grimdark, is just too much. It makes the setting unloveable and psychotic. Aka there are transport ships, small ships with 10-100 people. Those too have a tortured psycher? And the small to big ferry ships transporting food and resources? It's very close to grimdirt.
I think this could still fit to be in the grimdark category, maybe. But at that point, it's just easier to sympathize with orcs, hoping they would destroy humanity, than actually be interested in any of the lore.
The xenos are actually the good guys
@@mxtrem3 No, they are not. If you know what the xenos do to each other, and to humans. But yeah. At that point, just fuck the Imperium.
GREEN IZ VeST!1!
@@SamueL-td7fb IT'S WITZ A BBII YA GITZ!%
Bruh it's called the warp, the immaturium, of fucking course it'll take years, it's not star wars hyper drive, plus they never said it would take years. And no psyhers don't get tortured in small ships all the time. Food resources usually arrive on time aswell as other resources. You're literally complaining for the sake of complaining for something that is explained in websites therefore you think "Noooo it's too edgy". News flash it's really notm
As soon as he explained grimderp, I immediately thought of Vulcans unnecessarily shift of character for that incident where he burned an elder child alive. Almost like the author went all “Vulcan can be edgy too…”
Never used to like major kill now he's who I watch and listen too when I'm feeling down. When thinking of my parents death you bring a smile and laughs out of me on a subject that really doesn't have any. Thanks for all the ENTERTAINMENT!!!
The Marvel Comic about Ultramarine trials has the servitors fate and its survival rate is 1 in 300 though.
The marvel comics suck as a whole anyways. The thing you mentioned was another example of Grimderp
That comic contradicts the lore so hard most people don't consider it canon. All everything made by Marvel Comics these days is guaranteed trash
That's more like world shitters or iron warriors training
@@mattmark94 And that's why people read manga instead of western comics
At least it was written by Kieron Gillen.
But consider that Marvel has Spurrier and Abnett, latter being responsible for Guardians of the Galaxy.
I’ll give the inquisition this: fully half of them seem to spend their time hunting down the other half because they think they have gone too far!
The climax of Devastation of Baal was a double dose of grimderp ex machina.
A Daemon Prince was able to overcome a binding from Mephisto (psykers should have been rendered to gibbering schizoids from the shadow by this point), manifest through the shadow in the warp, completely shatter the Hive Mind causing well over 50% of Leviathan's net losses, then the Swarmlord skewers Dante like a summer BBQ only for Robot Girlyman to show up at the last possible moment to clean up the mess and somehow able to miraculously heal a dude who, by all rights should have been split clean in half.
Girlyman saving the day I can let slide.
Effectively ignoring what the Shadow in the Warp does to progress the plot, fuck no.
Ka'Bandha is a Greater Daemon not a Daemon Prince
Great Rift>>>>>>>>>SitW
Another way to counter SitW is to use more Warp power. It's all about power when it comes to the Warp
Ka'bandha only managed to manifest because of the great rift
@@christiandauz3742 This has been literally the only time SitW has been completely removed by force on such a scale. There have been numerous occasions where other smaller fleets have gotten closer to the GR with even more greater/Prince daemons without completely shattering their synaptic link across the entire sector.
The author could have written this part much, much better, like having a full on daemonic incursion, not one single daemonic entity.
@@Enja_Near
The Warp does what the Warp wants
If the Warp wants to expand and devour the entire Tyranid species and Hive Mind go for it!
After hearing about the implications of some of these moments:
“Smart, very smart!” (Anonymous Kasrkin)
“A sound tactical move!” (Tau commander)
With a sarcastic tone of course.
Regarding the Grey Knights, I think they are depicted pretty logically. Considering their selection process, you would certainly not expect mentally healthy, balanced and rational soldiers to emerge.
I ain't gonna lie, your first sentence made me question your sanity.
But the problem is they have more numbers then the Ultramarines.
Yet they could make those psykers Inquisitors or just erase their memories.
I think that Eldar Ranger being eaten alive in the Tau Codex (3rd ed I think) was a bit grim derp. Like I get the Kroot are supposed to be savages but come on, that's a bit much. I mean who wants their food to fight back?
Apparently the kroot since their whole culture literally revolve around going around eating literally anything they think it's edible and can mutate them into a stronger form
Guess youve never had sannakji
I would have believed the “can’t leave my baneblade” if it was them feeling like a god and indestructible inside vs being a frail basic dude outside next to other guardsmen.
The Imperium really needs a health and safety department
and a HUUUUUUUUUGE amount of shrinks...
Heresy, you will suffer for your Emperor and like it.
I always thought the daemonculaba was a case of "that kid" trying to come up with something more disgusting than his friends can.
Yep, Grimderp, you got it right.
yeah my least favorite thing about the Grey Knights is definitely the whole "you cannot know of their existence" but like, the warp is somewhat known????? Just be like, "oh these are totally Ultra Marines, dont look into it, Guardsman." The chances of that guardsman seeing an actual Ultra Marine is so slim that they would probably believe it
HAHAHAHA I’m Venezuelan and as you were talking I was like “yeah unless you live back home” and then you dropped the bomb, that was priceless brother!!!! 😂😂😂 I’m pretty sure I’m the only dude from there who plays 40K btw (I live in Florida so now I get to play a shit ton, don’t be sad ladies)
Brother yo tambien soy de Venezuela... Y vivo ahí 😞 me encantaría poder por lo menos coleccionar las miniaturas de Wh40k 💀
Matt Ward years are completely “GrimDerp”
Or just derp
03:04 I always take a big issue when franchises do this whole “only the strongest will survive” stuff. What a great idea to sacrifice some of the greatest fighters there is, instead of grooming them to their full potential. It also makes the Grey Knight look pathetic if they die in droves in a given mission.
every time i see a space marine die in a non heroic way all i can think of is that they went through all of that training of being the best of the best of the best, being able to be genetically compatible with the gene seed, and not dying as a scout marine, only to die instantly to a bolter round or something similarly dumb
I feel like the manual loading of specific munitions would come down to imperial red-tape. Like the missiles must be loaded "by hand" because theyre too volitile and dangerous to be done by machine or its some kind of, almost, ritualistic thing
There's power in wearing a dressing gown with pride.
I personally love every single cringe moment in this video for no other reason than…
Ah fuck I don’t have a reason I just like them.
Dan Abnett is the best damn Author GW has ever had... with William King a close second
Legit, as of late he has been driving the lore forward by himself
Feel like Abnett has had some real shitty books, like Unremembered Empire. Aaron Dempski Bowden has had good releases consistently though.
For me it is the Space Marine trials for new recruits. And the related art work. It looks great, it sounds though ass and the art depicts it as two huge Arnolds duking it out or wrestling some monstrous alien.
And then we’re told those are pre puberty boys of like 10 years old.
I now it’s the 40k world, but even Cadian kids only just have learned to snipe at that age. And we’re to believe 10 year olds are supposed to pass current day special forces recruitment tests and then hunt for their own breakfast that must consist of a facehugger, two Predators, Chtulu and a T-Rex.
the big issue is how its so fucking common, when every fucking chapter has a whole set of stupidly complex then it just makes them all not impressive or interesting.
the Banebladepart isnt grimderp.
Ive been in naval deployment for almost 3 years straight due to me jumping from ship to ship just to keep going on operations. by the time i was done with that, and my government finaly noticved that i shouldnt do that i was unable to sleep for days without serious medication.
you see, on a Military ship, you have a vent blowing air into your face nonstop while you sleep.
the first thing, the Techies do when there is a Fire on the ship is turn that off.
so that you dont accidently suffocate or poison the whole crew just ebcause theres a fire in one room.
that happens even before the alarm is rung.
my hotelroom didnt have the constant noise of 50.000 Horsepower gasturbine engine humming in the background nor the vent constantly blowing in my face. the lack of noise and the alarm of "the vent is off, there is fire!" kept me from sleeping.
you might not lose your shit right away, but if you are depraved of sleep for days because your body is in nonstop alarm-mode due tot he lack of noise and ratteling around you: you will go nuts.
100%, this is why vets use background noise apps to keep away shit like tinitus from keeping them awake.
I didn't know about the term Grimderp until this video. I'm glad it exists and that other people noticed some of these things as well.
I could see the psyckers that fail getting to be the ones that get sacrificed for the emporer
Unless if they prove promising then they become inquisitors.
I am intrigued that the inquisitor’s tech priest at 8:00 seems to have a left hand for a right hand.
What purpose might this serve the Machine God?
The Bainblade being a light scout tank.
I've been seeing MK wear this bath robe more often and all he needs now is a newspaper and a pipe.
"I see the Inquisition as necessary"... Dude.
Man this video speak to me, I am one of those people who think that if 40k scale down the grim dark for the sake of grim dark it will only get better.
Grey Knights: We must save humanity from the chaos... by killing everyone! We cannot trust the living to resist the chaos, we must save them from themselves!
See at this point I'm wondering if the Grey Knights have already BEEN corrupted...
I've heard it said that the ships use humans because their "cheaper", but when you need to feed them 2,000-2,500 calories a day, plus a couple of litres of water, as well as air, sleeping quarters, ect. they end up becoming quiet expensive in cost, logistics and combat effectiveness.
Especially when autoloaders can do 90% of the work for you for the price of some oil and maintenance
Simple, have em sleep in the halls feed them JUST enough food so they can get the job done
I love the names you have for your prints, "space elf death lord" I assume is maugan ra and not to mention the "space elf long-looker" LMAO. I really need to invest in a printer, but at the moment I'm working through a massive backlog of models from my vlka fenrika and imperial guard armies.
My step dad works at a plant and is used to noise. There's a condition that can occur that leads to noise being a requirement when sleeping, this is why noise machines exist.
I would say the penitent engine and mortifiers, I get the idea for harsh punishments for cowardice can lend into the grimdark but these vehicles just sound like they were written by edgy 13 year olds who main Dark Eldar, what a lot of GW writers need to understand torture needs to be grounded in reality and be actually believable in order to have an impact on the reader. Just read any Joe Abercrombie torture scene and compare that to 40k grimderp.
Also Dead Sky Dark Sun. If you know then you know.
At least they're not tech-tralls
Space Marine recruitment is the thing that gets me the most. There's nothing wrong with some risky and even life-threatening training when the end result is a walking demigod, but the specific rituals involved are sometimes just stupid. It's one thing to have a test of endurance so difficult some people happen to die trying. It's another thing entirely to pick up a large pool of the planet's best and most promising youth, only to drop them into a meat grinder of deadly trials and risky surgeries. If they weren't so wasteful and saw the deaths of recruits as unfortunate yet sometimes unavoidable, rather than an intended feature to filter out the chaff, it would look much less stupid.
I love the grey knights and blood angels but the trials are sometimes just stupid, like you sacrifice millions of potential soldiers just to get 1 superhuman soldier who "MIGHT" just get one shot by a powerful enemy leader anyway. Think they could lower that number abit or give a good reason why so many people have to die like it gives the Grey knights some kind of power boost as they watch their friends die or something....not just like lul many peple die, dis darkkk
I worked at a loud ass steel mill for years, driving cranes. Constant machinery, always on, always very loud. Ever since then, I can't handle complete silence, it sounds 'wrong'. I have to have a fan on at all times, even while I sleep. I will toss and turn for hours if I don't have background noise while attempting to sleep. So I can understand how a Baneblade occupant might need that background noise, too.
All your other Grimderp moments were spot on, though.
As Outsider looking into the Lore.
It seems like the theme of fighting against the dying of the light, but some writers and fans want it to be completely hopeless.
Like the return of RG and his gradual fixing of the Imperium actually being a beacon of Hope, but also him knowing that some aspects of the Imperium he can’t get rid of quite yet…
All writers whom care about being picked apart by logic should take heed
The difficulty of creating the blessed ammunition is compounded by the fact that Grey Knights use storm bolters, weapons known for their high fire rate.
It's not like the Imperium is running short of innocent children to sacrifice
Left uncheck Daemons can rack up a very high daily kill rate
With the whole militarium and their tanks, people who have done long stints in prison have a REALLY hard time adjusting to a normal bedroom.
Friend of a friend came out after 15 years and literally needed a guard to stand by his bedroom door just so he could sleep.
Hated silence, needed background noise, couldnt take him anywhere as he was always like “what’s he doing? Where’s he going? Shits about to go down better get out” at a dominos pizza shop…
Veterans have hard times adjusting to civvy life too
i was in the Army (infantry) for 6 years and its actually true about getting used to the noise and needing background noise you get anxious in silence and 90% have tinnitus so if its quiet your ears ring very loud and for sleep all soldiers have a shit time sleeping i know i sleep with the TV on watching something.
Greatest Grimderp moment - copyright striking fan films…
As a navy soldier I can tell you this:
People get so used to the ship noises, that some of them need to turn on a vacuum cleaner to be able to sleep.
Took me 3 years, to be able to sleep in silence again.
I live in downstate NY and own a house in rural PA. When people from the City visit rural PA, they can't sleep without white noise.
The Grey knights are secret because the other space marine chapters would throw a hissy fit of epic proportions simply because of the toys they get to play with, like the armor less gundam
no its a secret because they know all the chapters would bully the grey knights specically for the armor less gundams.
I can speak from experience that there are mental disorders that can make it where if things are to silent it can drive a person crazy sensory deprivation disorder is one so I can see tank operators developing something like that just like saviors can develop sea legs that can make it hard to adjust back to life on land
There is a very old 40k story A border Prince read. A planetary governor discovered an ancient primarch bolt pistol on his planet and it immediately became a very valuable religious artifact. The problem was that he thought the pistol was used by Guiliman but it was actually a pistol used by Horus. This somehow made the pistol a demonic artifact so what did the inquisition do about it? Insted of using one of many spys and secret agents they have to steal and replace the pistol, an inquisitor convinced a space marine chapter to do a suprise attack on the planets capital. The suprise attack destroyed all the capitals defences and also killed all the high ranking people in the capital who were luerd into a trap. This included tech pristis and memebers of the ecclesiarchy
Around a month ago, Gamza decided after his response to make a video digging down on his points, I wandered if you disliked it?
Healthcare. About Golden Space Daddy's refusal to rescue the Eaters of Cities or even send the War Hounds to curbstomo the High Riders?
To be fair, the Iron Hands probably believe, they are doing the failing aspirant a favor by turning them into a servitor. While they do not become Space Marines, they still "ascend" to higher beings.
Imperial citizen: sneezes
Inquisition: hippity hopitus exterminaticus
FYI, Hector Rex had those SoB executed as a ‘f*ck you’ to the Ordo Hereticus, who had not only started the Vraksian war in the first place, but constantly f*cked with him during the war because they wanted to get him fired-so that they could put one of their own in charge and cover up their mistakes.
Oh, how about that Hunter tank the Space Marines have, with the missiles it fires containing dead Chapter Serfs who are intended to act as a guidance system?
How the fuck does that work if the serfs can't even fucking move let alone think.
2:48 Wholeheartedly agree. The Revenant legion was very grimdark. A bunch of depressed super soldiers feeling no worth in life, and that depression getting inherited through eating their own and recovering experience. But due to the inherited depression, marines are more prone to charge into battle and seek death. Making a vicious circle. Yet, they kept fighting, as they had to upkeep their legion, and their progress.
Compared to this, being the sons of Sanguinius, and living by his code, trying to be good enough for him, but doing that with Aspirants? Just doesn't seem right.
The whole I can’t sleep if it’s quiet thing is something they took from real life. It’s a ptsd thing from like solders who spent to much time on the front lines in like WW2 and Vietnam. From the constant shooting and explosions. If things go quiet it means something is fucked up and your about to die kind of thing
Im loving the volume of videos you released dude, that sweet spot
As somebody that works as an engineer on a ship i can see how silence could make you crazy. We work and sleep in loud enviroment with loud sounds of metal squealing and grinding etc. Worst thing os when shit stops making sound then you know it stoped working loool
Concerning the sisters of battle at Vraks, I always felt like that was a mercy killing
A continent sized craftworld was sacrificed to sell the hot new 'nid model... that's billions of lives, one 'nid. Nah, mate, I'm not drinking that cool aid.
4:50
You could write it off as an example of shell-shock tbh
Had a friend who was stationed in an area with a lot of gun and mortar fire. Told me he couldn't sleep for months after getting back because it felt like something was wrong when it was to quiet. So i can see how people feeling safe inside a loud tank might work.
Awesome, thank you for posting today.
I interpreted the executing of the sisters on vraks as a mercy instead of a punishment. They were tortured so thoroughly that they were just empty shells by the end
but thats dumb because grey knights are literally made by torturing them until they're empty shells. if anything they should just thrown them through the grey knights initiation process and made them a separate wing of the organization
I like Eisonhorn, he's a good example of how to wright an inquisitor.
A derp moment to me was when 5 world eaters killed 4 custodes.
"battle-mace 40 million" fucking beautiful
I let out an audible *YES* in a Skeletor-like voice when I saw a new video
I always thought that Baneblade crews went mad when removed from their tanks because of their connection to the machine spirit. Kind of how titan precepts eventually go crazy when separated from their titan. Baneblade machine spirits are much weaker, but their crews also have much less powerful wills.
This video was a fkn riot!!!
Thanks for the laughs mate!!
4:45 I used to have a noisy air conditioner after I got a new one I couldn't sleep without the noise for a while