"Teen Titans: Save the Justice League" would have been so much better. -Raven is literal walking hack, she would justify defeating Superman, WW and the Flash by using her magic to debuff their speed and strength for the rest of the team to take them down. -Robin and Nightwing could work together to outsmart and take down Batman. -Starfire could absorve the energy of the Green Lantern. -Cyborg could be crucial to defeat Brainiac. -Beast boy would have amazing and varied gameplay though his multiple forms. -Raven could undo the brainwash without the need of killing them. Also, Teen Titans are much better characters(Beast boy romance with Terra alone solos in writing) and have a much better synergy as a team than the fucking Suicide Squad.
@@lakshaykochhar6799 Yeah, but in the Teen Titans animation, for example, Nightwing was an adult. They could even use some Young Justice characters like Superboy to help in a fight against a debuffed Superman or Blue Beetle to assist Cyborg if they wanted. There are truly billion teams there are infinitely better to fight against the Justice League instead of the Suicide Squad. It makes me mad how much WB is trying to force Harley Quinn on us, like, 3 movies, a animated tv show, this game and, soon, a anime.
The best part about this version where the justice league have been replaced with the white Martians is, it would actually justify why the kryptonite through the heart wouldn’t kill Superman. since the Martians can shape, shift stab wound really wouldn’t cause any lasting damage, and naturally kryptonite would have no real effect on them
It’s funny because initially I was like “no open world? no way” but when you explained the layout it totally makes sense. Imagine like injustice 2 menu but instead of batman at the screen it’s Waller, and you can choose your squad members. If any on them die on mission, they’re dead forever and you can’t use them in further missions. If everyone dies before you beat the game, you lose and have to start over
Permanent death is such obvious mechanic for a suicide squad game but yet it's missing I guess because they wanted the game to have a longer age to milke it Also the semi open world/hitman style map is perfect
If it were me I would use Queen Bee as the main villain. The version of her that’s more human from the a young justice cartoon. It could be that she took over JL and has them in her country and suicide squad has to sneak in and take JL down
another character you can use an antagonist instead of Brainiac is maybe The Brain from Doom Patrol, he's not too silly that he doesn't work like Graud, and it would also make sense why The Brain doesn't end you himself, he's a brain in a tin can he really doesn't wanna get his own non-existent hands dirty if doesn't absolutely need to
@@groundedcritictbh, I don’t really think that was Black Mask. His mask was burned to his face in Asylum and City, Origins stated that Sionis was paranoid and used decoys a lot.
I like the idea of just Batman being notably absent for most of the game, maybe he’s spotted stalking the end yourself squad just to make you aware he is in the game but he only gets involved in the battle against Superman, imagine this, Superman confronts the squad and all the sudden the area starts filling with fear gas but know one notices until their vision starts getting blurred and distorted and all the suddden they see a nightmare Batman come from fucking nowhere and glide kick Superman and then an epic battle in sows between evil Superman and nightmare Batman and it appears that Batman has the upper hand as he’s using all the gadgets and skills he’s attained from the previous games he’ll at this point you just get to play as nightmare Batman and if you were wondering how this is a fair fight, red sun power, anyways this would all set up another Arkham game or that Batman beyond game I think I just wanna play as Batman with fear toxin
With the whole characters dying thing, you could make it so that instead of collecting a fuck ton of trophies to get the true ending, instead you get the true ending by not getting any squad members killed, this is so they can pull up in future stuff as well as having a reason to do so.
(apologies in advance for this long comment) Honestly, I really dig this concept. The intro level, the whole factions thing, the revamped plot, the PvP idea, it all sounds really good and would have probably made for the better game. The only thing I’m kinda mixed on is the “randomly unceremoniously killing some squad members offscreen” thing. No shit the game is called Suicide Squad and that’s how they roll, but at the same time, it just seems like it’d end up making the player way too paranoid about who they wanna risk getting locked out of for the entire rest of the game (and presumably the DLC campaign), especially if each character possesses their own kits and aren’t just weight classes. Like this isn’t an easy “oh, the playable character dies at the end of the game” sorta thing, it’s in the middle of the process. It just seems like a really clunky concept (which is kind of a problem posed by a Suicide Squad game in general, let alone a co-op/multiplayer one). Also idk killing the squad members offscreen just feels lame. Like have them die in some pathetic or grotesque way, but at least let the player *see* it. Let the impact really hit. (Altho I am chuckling to myself thinking how a squad member could die while interrogating Penguin.) The PvP is the only other thing I’m kinda iffy on, mainly with how annoyingly chaotic it sounds like it would be with basically three teams in play (Player 1, Player 2, and the army NPCs). Idk depending on how it’s all handled, it might not be that bad in practice. Well other than that, just some additional questions (if you answered these in the vid I apologize): 1. Would actually killing the “Justice League” (roll credits) in this rewrite play out similarly to how it does in the actual game? (Find MacGuffin that superhero is weak to -> Find superhero -> Apply bullets until thoroughly dead -> Rinse and repeat) 2. Would the whole “white martians” reveal occur near the start of the game, or would the squad learn about it after killing one or two of the leaguers (in order to keep a bit of tension and mystery)? 3. Would the squad members dying affect or be affected by the PvP missions? 4. Since Wonder Woman’s fight is now on the table with this rewrite, do you have any vision as to how that would go? (Assuming you are in fact deviating from the typical SS:KTJL boss formula.) 5. Since Batman is now the only non-white-martian (albeit optional) boss fight in this new version, how would that play out? Would he die? Would he escape? Would it even be a winnable boss fight in the first place (presumably) unlike Deathstroke?
Hey thanks for the comment! I will do my best to answer. I figured the other task force x members deaths would be shown. I was imagining something akin to the suicide mission in mass effect 2. 1. For the actual missions where you kill the justice league I imagined the levels would be designed specifically to cater to each hero. With multiple stages, and special weapons/abilites/or npc helpers. Some examples: - flashbangs against green lantern. - Parasite npc to drain superman. - Emp against cyborg 2. Yeah probably about halfway into the game, with little hints throughout. 3. Not sure, you could either ignore duplicate characters during pvp like most games do, or have Batman/Waller reference them as being white martian imposters. 4. I'll have to think on that one. 5. I dont think you kill either one of them (at least not yet.) Waller would probably want batman alive, and we'd want to keep them around for later in the seasons.
I see why some people would be upset that playable characters can be killed off but i like it i mean look at rdr2 and rdr1 they killed off their protagonist and those games are praised for the emotional impact. adds way more replay ability then just a different brainiac boss fight.
I agree, it could have been like a mortal kombat situation where the characters are killed off in the story mode and are unplayable from then on but are still available for normal offline use
Normally I can't bring myself to watch videos like these. Nothing against them, they're just not my thing. But the fact that you covered gameplay and not just story was a great idea and the story is pretty solid. Nice work! One nitpick because I recently rewatched the scene, if Red Hood dlc is canon (and I mean before current Rocksteady wrecked canon) then Black Mask is dead. Maybe Penguin instead?
I was thinking about your video for a few days after watching it. I figured out WHY this game ticks my off (other than buying it myself. YES I BOUGHT THIS TURD!) Its 2 core issues 1) Broken Lore that destroys immersion. 2) Gameplay. You have have one issue and the other being able to compensate but both and you have a DOA. Here is my take on improvements Gameplay - This should be a Squad similar to Team Fortress 2. If you haven't played that game, it's a classic for a reason. Basically you have a team but that team is comprised of unique playstyle classes. Each class has strengths and weaknesses and no single class can win a scenario on their own. They need to work together to win. In Suicide Squad, every character is a shooter. It SHOULD be King Shark as a tank class that acts like a damage sponge and has melee brute for the team. Deadshot would clearly be the Sniper class. Boomerang would be the Spy Class that is based on infiltration, and stealth gameplay. Harley would be definitely be explosives, small arms, and fighting. This would open up a game that require far more enemy types and scenarios that would be interesting and fun. LORE - I loved the cutscene quality of this game. They are well done but the writing is so unbelievable that it destroys any suspension of disbelief. I understand the game (by its name) must kill the League, but it's HOW it's done that rubs the fans the wrong way. Example: Cap Boomerang was a member of the Rogues. The Rogues, despite being villians, have a clear code of conduct and honor system. Cap Boomerang would be the FIRST to kick the snot out of anyone attempting to pee on the body of the Flash, just out of respect to an opponent. The kills of the League should be bittersweet and difficult. Imagine you are an assassin and you found your next target is someone you have a long history of respect or even personally care about. You wouldn't be acting like they did in this game. The Batman death would be a great example. First off Arkham Haley would never act like she did in this game killing Batman, especially with that long history. If anything, this should feel like a mad dog she had to put down. Batman would need to be REALLY evil to prove he needs to be put down. Not just killing but being sadistic. Like Batman using his knowledge of Harley's emotional damage to taunt and harm her emotionally through the game. Even Batman fans should be like "Jeez Bruce, just stop." Despite this Harley tries to save Batman out her belief only this guy can defeat Brainiac. In the end, Harley finds a Batman Contingency Plan that Batman was unable to put into play but when she makes the plan happen, it gives Batman his mind back just long enough to lure Brainiac deeper into Batman's mind and trap a large part of Brainiac inside Batman's mind. While held there. Batman uses whatever willpower he has left to hold Brainiac in his mind and askes Harley to kill him. When Batman dies here. Brainiac is heavily damaged. Damaged enough so that the Squad actually have a fighting chance, where as in the pervious interactions between the Squad and Brainiac, it was obvious the Squad stood no chance. Batman's last sacrifice would have meaning, weight, and feel right.
My ideal version of the suicide squad game would have been a mix of DC Lego supervillains mixed with Far Cry permadeath. keep the kill the justice league thing it could still work. the game starts off with you playing as Rick Flag as Amanda Waller explains the first situation to you. the justice league has gone rogue. dont know why but they have turned Metropolis into a Demilitarized zone and are holding President Luthor hostage. you select a ream of D list villains who on this mission come up against Superman at the end. the whole team is killed in a brutal fashion and then Flag asks Waller for the big gun. a large case is airdropped in and flag uses a kryptonite launcher on Superman, it should of killed him but then the green blast smoke is sucked up by Superman who smiles. "I'm assuming on this world thats supposed to hurt me in some way, because theres no way someone would be as dumb as to use Kryptonite on me" he says before flying off with flag. theres your intro mission. TITLE CARD. now you pick early game squad members so people like Blood Sport, Harley, Captain Boomerang, deadshot, peace maker etc. street level. you can buff them with gear and stuff but as you go through you unlock new squad members like King Shark, Killer Croc, Giganta, etc. and more will be in content drops as the game lifespan goes on and we get story DLC expansions. essentially I'm doing the reverse of Crisis on 2 earths which usually has the Justice league go to earth 3 to fight the crime syndicate here the crime syndicate are here to conquer earth 1. but they are posing as the Justice League. once a squad member dies they are dead. no resurrections. like you explained this adds replay value. as in the game we got i have one squad member who isn't evil and its batman, obviously who is supposed to be dead after Arkham night but has been funding the Justice League since their inception. he also has counter measures for each member which he's going to give the squad to help take them down but he need he materials to get them so that adds and extra questline. like Far Cry games there will be a bad ending where You Join the crime syndicate as a "made man/woman" and fight Argus assets such as other squad memebers. speaking of enemy types each member of the Syndictae has their own region and their unique enemy types. Johnny quick Flash has Velocity 9 junkies which are fast but not super tough. Superwoman has her Amazon warriors and their man slaves which focus on melee with swords, hammers, maces and spears. Owlman has his Talons and has taken over the Earth 1 court of Owls. these are stealth enemies who will ambush you and run away to strike again rather than just fight off. there is enemy variety so not every enemy will do that but some will. Jump scaring the player like Manbat did in Arkham night. Grid has various machines which are beefy but slow or aerial drones that come in 2 forms. small swarms that doo small amounts of damage but come in numbers. to larger ones which pack a punch but take some time for their attacks to hit like airstrikes Power Ring has Constructs of the people he's killed kind of like Larphlies of the Orange Lantern corp. the use guns made of green energy constructs. they are pretty simple enemies but can do long range. Ultraman has Eradicators. humans implanted with earth 1 Kryptonian consciousnesses and now serving under Ultraman. they aren't as powerful since they are ore like humans with Kryptonian buffs but they are tough and in higher level areas. keeping in line with the crisis on 2 earths movie each member has 3 Lieutenants under them. cause enough ruckus or do some quests and you can take out the Made men. if you fail there will be one extra Made man and the one who killed you will be buffed. once you take out all 3+ made men you call out the big bosses. the Syndicate members. these are the BIG boss battles. if you lose you lose progress in that map area and 3 new made men are generated. some made men are actually Sidekicks of the Syndicate members like UltraGirl. while others are familiar Villains like General Zod. once you take out a Syndicate member or a named general like the two mentioned previously you cna bring them in for Big Boss battles and then again in New game plus. like in a lego game. there are two final bosses. Ultraman which pays off the beginning with you using Blue Kryptonite to defeat him and Power up superman. then Owl man who wants so destroy the whole Multiverse after realising no amount of Conquering will be sufficient. you defeat him and thats that. at some point in the game you get taken to earth 3 and help Hero versions of Villains we al know and love like Lex Luthor, the jester(joker) and many others. we can also play around with Hero Suicide squad villains. as for possible expansions i have a Crisis on Earth X idea where you have to kill N4z! versions of the Justice League whch could be fun. some squad members who for me are must shows are Harley, Deadshot, king shark, captain boomerang, peacemaker. id also like to see Rat catcher 2, pocadot man, Enchantress, Bloodport, El Diablo, Superboy. and many more. id like for you to be able to go into the map with one or multiple squad members being able to switch between them. pinging enemies for you other squad mates to attack. and of course multiplayer. the max id have on a squad is 8 with 4 plyer squads leaving 2 dedicated squad mates per player. once in the map its like DMZ you die in there game over
I think you should go even further with the concept of sending AI companions on missions with the chance of them dying by giving each character unique skills that they can utilize on those missions. For example, maybe Deadshot is better suited to handle lots of verticality and long lines of sight with targets that are in hard to reach places. Or Copperhead would be better for stealth missions where you'll need a hasty escape if discovered. But these skills would not be enough to carry a mission and guarantee no deaths; Instead each character's skills would contribute to an overall % based success rate, but you're always going to have to risk losing a character unless you build the exact perfect team for that mission. Doing it this way guarantees that players are constantly swapping who they play as if they want to ensure that they won't lose anyone, keeping the gameplay fresh.
Yeah I like it. So the "perfect" team for a specific mission makes it easier to keep them all alive, while the "wrong" team makes it far more likely characters will die. Still allows for player choice but rewards you for planning ahead.
And also this is from tv tropes Most people seem to think that the the badly received story-line moments, such as the universally panned death scenes of the brainwashed Justice League, and Deadshot getting a Race Lift, happened because Rocksteady had narrative consultancy agency Sweet Baby Inc write the story instead of them. Actually, Sweet Baby Inc joined development of the game after the story was written to make in-game ads, audio logs, and NPC barks,, so things like Boomerang trying to piss on Flash's corpse and Harley unceremoniously shooting Batman were conceived by Rocksteady itself and did not happen because of outsourcing. The one thing Sweet Baby might be able to be blamed for is the controversial backstory moment where Superman convinced the rest of the League to try to negotiate with Brainiac since that is told in audio logs, but whatever happens in the cut-scenes in the game isn't by them
Here is how I would rewrite this mess of a game. While I like your ideas, I'm going to keep in the spirit of Killing the Justice League. The core story should be about mere mortals battling Gods. The fact this game thinks any human can go against any single member of the Suicide Squad head to head is what breaks all immersion. First step would be the Squad trying to keep a low profile as they try to figure out how to take out each member of the League. In fact the first mission should end with the Squad almost being killed outright but saved at the last minute looking like they died. The game should play out as infiltrating and learning how to defeat each League member, and crafting tech or strategy to take them down so they are unique and memorable. Example: Superman has been under mind control in the past. Example: Poison Ivy made Superman obsessed with her and ordered him to kill Batman. Batman broke Ivy's spell by having Catwoman toss Lois Lane off a building. Batman knew Superman would always keep trying to fight to get back control, but needing a nudge. Getting too much attention should draw the attention of the League, and you know you are good as dead if that happens, but could be fun seeing some menacing escape sequences. This also creates fear in the player if throughout the game they are running from these Gods and the Gods are just playing with them at first but as each member if the League gets picked off, the League takes the Squad more seriously. The thing is as the Squad gains more tech and knowledge, they also become more formidable, and even donning gear from fallen League members to aid in their fight to take down Gods. This being an Arkamverse game, I see Batman as key defeating the League and himself. Even under mind control, Batman would have a plan. I see Batman's Omega Plan (AKA the plan of what to do to stop the League) being mission plans for the game. Batman would point to where to get the tech and who to find to get the tools needed to stop the threat. There should also be gravity in each League member death and also a shifting of power from seeing these mere mortals as jokes and actual God killers. That is real important. There needed to be consequences for actions that have weight. As for the Brainiac fight, the obvious form would be a Brainiac that can shapeshift between all the Justice League members and their powers. Imagine a final boss standing there holding Wonder Woman's Shield, Green Lantern Ring on his finger creating stuff, Flash's speed lightning effects, Batman's fighting abilities, and Superman's flying and laser eyes. You would need to use all your gained knowledge throughout the game to know which attack strategy to use and when. This would be in whatever League form Brainiac takes to attack and how your respond. In the end, I would have it revealed that the League you fought in the game were just clones Brainiac created from actual League members who are currently in a VR trance, having no clue anything is actually happening as their minds are occupied with a world they think is real and normal. Batman would be the only one to notice the VR world and from there was working a way to help the Squad along all the time.
Great video and i strongly agree that a suicide squad game NEEDS more characters. Not only for gameplay but narrative as well. As much as i love the SS i cant picture them surviving an encounter with the Justice League. Lobo, Cheetah, and Enchantress would all be awesome additions to the team imo. They're all former members in canon and they all make combating meta humans a lot more feasible. Another way to add more characters would be to have the SS team up with the Outlaws. I think it would make sense considering this is the Arkhamverse and the team is led by Jason. On top of that they are a reoccurring ally of the Squad. Having Bizarro, Artemis, Arsenal, Bunker, and Todd as playable would be pretty dope gameplay wise to so 🤷🏾♂️
I also had a game concept for the Suicide Squad I would basically make it like the Payday games meets Borderlands. In the sense that you can matchmake with friends and each map has it's own story and/or missions. It would have the option to either be in third or first person, each character has their own gimmicks and weapons they can upgrade/switch out thats specific to the character. Some characters would be locked out of using guns, but that wouldn't matter because they have specified movesets, like King Shark would entirely melee, or Deadshot would suffer in closer ranged engagements, and so on. The idea that each mission, if played in a certain order, reveals the overarching narrative of the game like in Payday sounds like an interesting thing, and it puts you in the shoes of the squad, like your figuring it all out along with them. When your selecting characters each teammate will select multiple characters each, that way if they die as one character, they can resspawn, but as one of their other selected characters until they run out and then they're done. Each map/mission will have their own thing going on, like in one mission is to uncover the labs Lex Luthor is using to make Bizarro, and in the other is running a spec ops mission to kill Black Mask in Gotham while trying not to get Batman's attention. Another idea would be to infiltrate Themyscyra to retrieve a magical artifact, or something to the effect. In order to unlock more characters, you need to complete their mission when you get to a certain point, where in that mission they're the boss battle, or some sort of chase or something. Think of it as "Suicide Squad: world tour" or something. That's all I really got, but I do hope tomrefine this someday, maybe...
These are some great ideas! Espesually having no shields, and melee being the main fighting style! But I would like Grod to be a red harring! And maybe even unlocked as a playable character!
Yes, great idea! Make one of the locations a zoo with a gorilla, and show that gorilla in the trailers to really throw everyone off before the game comes out.
I really like your pitch it’s definitely sounds better than what we got not I don’t think it could fit the shitty live service model WB is obsessed with. Once you defeat the main objective there’s nothing to do unless they create 12 more objectives for the following months.
Honestly I think a character that could realistically defeat the justice league would be plastic man. Imagine a single player non live service game where you play as plastic man and you have to defeat the justice league, then at the end of the game it turns out that those were just clones. This would also make it hilarious with the interactions between plastic man and the justice league. But people don’t see plastic man as a viable hero anymore :(.
I honestly thought with the whole mind controlled league aspect you would have picked Staro the conqueror since mind controlling is his primary method of conquest. Though White Martians would be a nice opportunity to show Martian Man Hunter some love, which we haven't exactly seen much of in recent years.
I thought this was great! Only disagreement was on the permadeath aspect. I totally get your reasoning, and I think you're coming from the right place, but at the end of the day in a game with uniquely designed characters AND a multiplayer element, I think permanently locking characters out of your roster while you progress is a little whack tbh. That said, if we were to bend the rules you laid out and design this as a strictly single-player experience I'd be much more amenable to it. Alternatively, even in a single player variant, you could have a scripted main squad of 4 who are the main characters who just don't die, but a small assortment of one-off missions starring the reserves who do die at the end of their missions, even if it becomes narratively predictable. Just a thought though. Very entertaining watch!
Being super fair. Even in the comics they don't die. Well let be specific. The important characters never die. Harley, Deadshot, King Shark, and Captain Boomerang would never get killed in a Suicide Squad story line. And the rare time it happens they get brought back imidiatly. (Looking at you Boomer) So hey. They picked the right main characters for the game I guess. But as soon as some random shmuck you never heard of in your life (because they nost likely were created specifically for that one story) or some unpopular villain walks in, then you know they are not going to last long. (RIP Reverse Flash III)
Love your points. This is EXACTLY the type of game they should have created. It wouldn’t have received all the backlash the game actually got. Such a shame the creatives making this don’t think like the fans.
im not too familiar with dc lore, but i wished wb games would take care of that lore better rather than tryna fish money out of it. great video, love ur ideas!!!
What would be dope and would include a four player mechanics Is if mission are one not open world but also allow given roles to the suicide squad, like shark is a brute who goes in guns blazing while a other player is in a different section of the level that suits there characters skills like dead shot who would snak around while shooting as he did in Arkham origins
And Here the some tip. If you do part 2, Let make take in Metropolis because i like the whole. Hey let do a other city then Gotham, so yeah let take places in Metropolis Let say Gorilla Grodd/white martian big plan is to attack Metropolis. Other main problem with is lack riddles ( yes there 40 riddler trophy but is 21 actully riddle wait that it plus there more stuff) and let have some Metropolis character. Keep Lois lane as news brodcast Let have riddler. Give 200 riddle and 800 riddler trophies And let do Metropolis character let have rose/thorn in the game. And let say Bruno he Guy who make Gun and take penguin role. Let say Bruno is just try give Guns and weller basic do what penguin did. Morgan Edge or Max lord take basic black mask role. That you creator ( let use more dc character then Gotham character ) And give more then main justice league maybe sub boss like green arrow and black Carney.
I think it does NOT have to be stealth, because most members of the Suicide Squad are NOT into subtlety. Instead, I would have had the gameplay be a cross between third person shooter and beat 'em up. But, each of the playable characters' fighting styles would be DIFFERENT. Harley would be a wild card using a combination of clown-themed gadgets and whatever weapons would be laying around. Captain Boomerang would, of course, exclusively use his boomerang and superhuman speed, but the super-speed would be from a drug made by Cadmus instead of stolen Speed Force energy. King Shark would focus mostly on brute strength and brawling. Deadshot would focus MORE on guns than his allies. El Diablo would exclusively use his pyrokinesis and that rage mode he got similar to the 2016 movie even though the 2016 movie sucked. Killer Croc would be similar to King Shark, except he would much much slower compared to King Shark. Enchantress would exclusively use her magic as well as martial arts she learned from the centuries she lived. Lastly, Slipknot would exclusively use his ropes as weapons. Others would be unlockable through progression or cheat codes.
Also I think something to put into perspective with this game is that it was leaked that it was supposed to be a stand alone game that was used to promote the last suicide squad movie and starro being in place of brainiac. Not only that but it originally wasn’t supposed to be in the Arkham verse but they wanted it to be popular with Arkham fans so they just through it together. If I were to make a suicide squad game I would make it a suicide squad 1-8 player co op game where you go on missions that cycle out on a timer. A good game to compare it to is warhammer dark tide, you are supposed to be expendable which I think is a vibe that needs to be in a suicide squad game.
2 things about this one i heard the perma death machinic was in the early version of the game before it was canceled and then became a rocksteady game and 2 funny thing about not using grodd is the damian wayne batman game that was being worked on was gonna have grodd in it LOL
@@callmejacob3234 1 movie, 1 game, and 1 animated series is not what I would call obsessed. The second movie was popular. It made sense to capitalized on it. The issue is that they went the wrong way about it and fucked it up. Plus just looking at the state of WB Games a Justice League game would be just as bad as Kill The Justice league.
I always thought an xcom like adaptation of the original Spiderverse comic would make a cool game but it makes sense for the SSquad too. I don't mean turn based tactical gameplay, I just mean like your own customizable pool of soldiers who can die permanently if you don't want to savescum.
Pretty good. I think just put Metropolis was good idea on papper. I get it rocksteady is like f no. We don’t want to do Gotham again so why not Metropolis. I think 12 is to mush. And i wish more Metropolis character. Yes i know Alien invasion thing, but lets say you get Bruno Mannheim, and he one make Guns and so on,not penguin
White Martians are great! I think the Hive are also good. I would make it a left for dead style of combat. You have four classes. Frist is guns, that's your dead shots. Melee, your Katana Death stokes. third is specials theses are your pokadot mans. Their more niche and don't fit one role. Then finally you have tanks or bruisers. Theses are your king sharks orca killer crocs. Their very large and pull agro and play like tanks and chargers from the Left for dead multiplayer. The only class limit is that you only take one tank. In terms of story you have all of the iconic cities of the Jla. The hive have warped their minds, you go into their city and its a shit show and theirs one super villain working for the hive in said city. The super villain is the mid way boss, and that causes the jla member to put you on their radar. So for example you go to star city and lets say mirror master is willing working for Hive. this villain is not brain washed. Then after you beat him Flash gets a notification to return to star city. Personally I think that can be neat. White Martians work better for a live service.
My idea is that threw out the game, we belive that Brainiac is behind all of it, you know, with a giant skull ship in the atmosphere of earth, intell he starts acting different. And we get small hints that it's not Brainiac at all, like him getting angry that each member of the JL gets dogged and then he starts to get a little..scared after a while since a team of slobs are killing his strongest chess pieces that he has. Then half way threw the game, it's revealed that its not a "Brainiac invention" at all, but its rather white marshions. And so the second half of the game has us fighting white marshion Justice League members. And with Knowledge that marshions hate fire, these boss fights are basically a cake walk. And so, after we destroy the bodies with fire, we face the big boss himself. After a confrontation, we fight them. And after dogging the leader of this invasion, we can decide to kill them, or spare them. If we kill them, Batman wouldn't be to happy because he had possibly lost viable information on where the JL are, and if their still alive or not. And Waller will be pleased that we fallowed orders. But if we are to spare the white Marshion leader, Batman would be pleased and that he can find out if the JL is alive or not threw the leader. And waller will be in a pissy mood ecause we are listening to someone that is lower then her, and then she goes on a rant that sge "owns task force X"
I made my own version of kill the Justice League and a save the justice league version. One where Wonderwoman kills the justice league. Or flash. An idea where wonder Woman teams up with the Batfamily to help save the justice league.
I knew this Game was gonna be Bad by just the Title, the Delays, and the Passing of Kevin Conroy with Marketing the Actor and the Arkham Fans to play the Game but I thought it was gonna be so bad is good at least however it was way worse than I expected it to be, I watch 2 Days of this Game and I felt Miserable that I described the Experience as Insulting to both DC and Arkham Lore and Fans alike, I felt Nothing for SSKTJL and it just makes me want to play MK1 More, at least it gets A lot of Things Right and has People that loves Mortal Kombat than the Little Respect Modern Rocksteady has.
Let's say they actually hired real fans to make this game it could've been possibly great bc the fans know what we want the devs don't care what we want
the gameplay itself just feels like a chore and the story is complete nonsense. A bunch of misfits taking out superman AND batman back to back is ridiculous in my eyes. its a shame because the characters are really funny and charming. your take on the game should have been what we saw on release day :)
If you to do 12. Now i want you do each 12 backstory Let do Harley frist. You can do whatever. You want but it don’t i give some help Let say she becomes more crazy in 5 year, she is still love joker and she got this weird kinda that scene in 2016 Movie. That she want a family like she want this family with joker and she basic to subplot she want Clone joker to make kids. She want this mother figure. As homage to Batman beyond her clock is ticking and maybe give Harley some weird Happy ending that she become a mother of 2 kids one boy and one girl. Captain boomerang let do he got fued with the flash. Maybe he kick out for rouges and maybe he want revange of the flash. And maybe later other flash villian will show up for cameo, like white martian kidnaper them. I don’t for king shark. And i don’t for deadshoot either would go whole he is black or not. I have no time for rest
I like your ideas however I think with those games you should incorporate the justice leagues arch villains to help but you have to defeat them in order for them to help like you send members to lex corp to get kryptonite but you have to defeat Lex Luthor in order to get it when u beat him he gives you the kryptonite and use of any of his tech weapons something along those lines but great ideas you had though and I think the villain should be Darkseid and with the option of killing or not killing the justice league it would be so much better because if u save the justice league you can join forces with the suicide squad to take on Darkseid but if u kill the justice league Darkseid invades and you have to have to defend against Darkseid with the help of lex Luther and the arch villains of the justice league and Batman
Sounds cool! What I really wanted rocksteady to do was a trilogy of Superman games, building up to Darkseid and the justice league. Sadly SSKTJL is what we got instead. Thanks WB.
Keep the melee from Arkham games, closer to asylum then knight. Slower reactions so you could only counter 1 or 2 people at a time instead of like 30 in knight. Ranged gun play would be 3rd person and work like Uncharted, though each character would have special moves specific to them. Couple examples: Deadshot could do a charged sniper shot that bounces off walls/around corners. (He'd have a version of detective mode so he could see through walls.) Harley could drop chattering teeth mines. Croc/king shark could pickup and throw people. Kitanas sword charges up with each kill then detonates around her knocking everyone back. Copperhead climbs walls and can do a drop attack similar to Batman's ledge takedowns. Stuff like that.
Thank you for your video...I am going to make a video like this. How I would have written it. And it will have the Suicide Squad but they are not the main characters.
"Teen Titans: Save the Justice League" would have been so much better.
-Raven is literal walking hack, she would justify defeating Superman, WW and the Flash by using her magic to debuff their speed and strength for the rest of the team to take them down.
-Robin and Nightwing could work together to outsmart and take down Batman.
-Starfire could absorve the energy of the Green Lantern.
-Cyborg could be crucial to defeat Brainiac.
-Beast boy would have amazing and varied gameplay though his multiple forms.
-Raven could undo the brainwash without the need of killing them.
Also, Teen Titans are much better characters(Beast boy romance with Terra alone solos in writing) and have a much better synergy as a team than the fucking Suicide Squad.
Honestly, it would be more like Titans than Teen Titans; considering that none of the Robins are teens. But the idea is brilliant.
Yes that could've been awesome!
Thank you!
@@lakshaykochhar6799 Yeah, but in the Teen Titans animation, for example, Nightwing was an adult.
They could even use some Young Justice characters like Superboy to help in a fight against a debuffed Superman or Blue Beetle to assist Cyborg if they wanted.
There are truly billion teams there are infinitely better to fight against the Justice League instead of the Suicide Squad.
It makes me mad how much WB is trying to force Harley Quinn on us, like, 3 movies, a animated tv show, this game and, soon, a anime.
Its so sad when the YT comments section come up with better stories than the actual "professionals".
The best part about this version where the justice league have been replaced with the white Martians is, it would actually justify why the kryptonite through the heart wouldn’t kill Superman. since the Martians can shape, shift stab wound really wouldn’t cause any lasting damage, and naturally kryptonite would have no real effect on them
There is an explanation in the game tho, that's what happens when you don't pay attention.
@@ovyleAn explanation doesn’t always mean it’s a good one. Saying it was just a side effect of Braniac’s integration changing his DNA was lazy
@@Orion-Pax_34 why tho
That mind control affecting players sounds genius. The confusion would be immersive
It’s funny because initially I was like “no open world? no way” but when you explained the layout it totally makes sense. Imagine like injustice 2 menu but instead of batman at the screen it’s Waller, and you can choose your squad members. If any on them die on mission, they’re dead forever and you can’t use them in further missions. If everyone dies before you beat the game, you lose and have to start over
that sounds awful
Everyone can’t die, whoever your playing as will stay alive
@@wes9802 if you die in mission there wouldn’t be a “retry” option. It’d go on to the next member
That’s dumb if you leveled up the characters you would loose everything especially if you bought skins it would suck not even dark souls does that
Could be really cool for a hardcore difficulty mode that's unlocked after beating the game.
Referring to another arkham batman game as cheating for making a good game shows how bad they fumbled with this 😂
Permanent death is such obvious mechanic for a suicide squad game but yet it's missing I guess because they wanted the game to have a longer age to milke it
Also the semi open world/hitman style map is perfect
If it were me I would use Queen Bee as the main villain.
The version of her that’s more human from the a young justice cartoon. It could be that she took over JL and has them in her country and suicide squad has to sneak in and take JL down
I would play that game.
another character you can use an antagonist instead of Brainiac is maybe The Brain from Doom Patrol, he's not too silly that he doesn't work like Graud, and it would also make sense why The Brain doesn't end you himself, he's a brain in a tin can he really doesn't wanna get his own non-existent hands dirty if doesn't absolutely need to
Black mask came back from the dead just to be Punked. I love it.
Crap, I totally forgot Red hood killed him!
Oh well, looks like I need to replay Arkham knight again.
@@groundedcritic Could be someone who took up the mantle
@@groundedcritictbh, I don’t really think that was Black Mask. His mask was burned to his face in Asylum and City, Origins stated that Sionis was paranoid and used decoys a lot.
@@MartinJakubsky or the one Jason killed was a body double like in origins
@@groundedcriticEh. Could be another decoy. First of all, the mask clearly isnt grafted into his face.
I like the idea of just Batman being notably absent for most of the game, maybe he’s spotted stalking the end yourself squad just to make you aware he is in the game but he only gets involved in the battle against Superman, imagine this, Superman confronts the squad and all the sudden the area starts filling with fear gas but know one notices until their vision starts getting blurred and distorted and all the suddden they see a nightmare Batman come from fucking nowhere and glide kick Superman and then an epic battle in sows between evil Superman and nightmare Batman and it appears that Batman has the upper hand as he’s using all the gadgets and skills he’s attained from the previous games he’ll at this point you just get to play as nightmare Batman and if you were wondering how this is a fair fight, red sun power, anyways this would all set up another Arkham game or that Batman beyond game I think I just wanna play as Batman with fear toxin
Made a much better game in half in hour than Rocksteady did in years!
With the whole characters dying thing, you could make it so that instead of collecting a fuck ton of trophies to get the true ending, instead you get the true ending by not getting any squad members killed, this is so they can pull up in future stuff as well as having a reason to do so.
(apologies in advance for this long comment) Honestly, I really dig this concept. The intro level, the whole factions thing, the revamped plot, the PvP idea, it all sounds really good and would have probably made for the better game.
The only thing I’m kinda mixed on is the “randomly unceremoniously killing some squad members offscreen” thing. No shit the game is called Suicide Squad and that’s how they roll, but at the same time, it just seems like it’d end up making the player way too paranoid about who they wanna risk getting locked out of for the entire rest of the game (and presumably the DLC campaign), especially if each character possesses their own kits and aren’t just weight classes. Like this isn’t an easy “oh, the playable character dies at the end of the game” sorta thing, it’s in the middle of the process. It just seems like a really clunky concept (which is kind of a problem posed by a Suicide Squad game in general, let alone a co-op/multiplayer one).
Also idk killing the squad members offscreen just feels lame. Like have them die in some pathetic or grotesque way, but at least let the player *see* it. Let the impact really hit. (Altho I am chuckling to myself thinking how a squad member could die while interrogating Penguin.)
The PvP is the only other thing I’m kinda iffy on, mainly with how annoyingly chaotic it sounds like it would be with basically three teams in play (Player 1, Player 2, and the army NPCs).
Idk depending on how it’s all handled, it might not be that bad in practice.
Well other than that, just some additional questions (if you answered these in the vid I apologize):
1. Would actually killing the “Justice League” (roll credits) in this rewrite play out similarly to how it does in the actual game? (Find MacGuffin that superhero is weak to -> Find superhero -> Apply bullets until thoroughly dead -> Rinse and repeat)
2. Would the whole “white martians” reveal occur near the start of the game, or would the squad learn about it after killing one or two of the leaguers (in order to keep a bit of tension and mystery)?
3. Would the squad members dying affect or be affected by the PvP missions?
4. Since Wonder Woman’s fight is now on the table with this rewrite, do you have any vision as to how that would go? (Assuming you are in fact deviating from the typical SS:KTJL boss formula.)
5. Since Batman is now the only non-white-martian (albeit optional) boss fight in this new version, how would that play out? Would he die? Would he escape? Would it even be a winnable boss fight in the first place (presumably) unlike Deathstroke?
Hey thanks for the comment! I will do my best to answer.
I figured the other task force x members deaths would be shown. I was imagining something akin to the suicide mission in mass effect 2.
1. For the actual missions where you kill the justice league I imagined the levels would be designed specifically to cater to each hero. With multiple stages, and special weapons/abilites/or npc helpers. Some examples:
- flashbangs against green lantern.
- Parasite npc to drain superman.
- Emp against cyborg
2. Yeah probably about halfway into the game, with little hints throughout.
3. Not sure, you could either ignore duplicate characters during pvp like most games do, or have Batman/Waller reference them as being white martian imposters.
4. I'll have to think on that one.
5. I dont think you kill either one of them (at least not yet.) Waller would probably want batman alive, and we'd want to keep them around for later in the seasons.
Dude, I haven't been this hyped for a revamped game concept since I watched a video about a Prototype 3 someone thought up.
Subbed! ❤❤
I see why some people would be upset that playable characters can be killed off but i like it i mean look at rdr2 and rdr1 they killed off their protagonist and those games are praised for the emotional impact. adds way more replay ability then just a different brainiac boss fight.
I agree, it could have been like a mortal kombat situation where the characters are killed off in the story mode and are unplayable from then on but are still available for normal offline use
Yes this exactly! Great idea.
Normally I can't bring myself to watch videos like these. Nothing against them, they're just not my thing. But the fact that you covered gameplay and not just story was a great idea and the story is pretty solid. Nice work!
One nitpick because I recently rewatched the scene, if Red Hood dlc is canon (and I mean before current Rocksteady wrecked canon) then Black Mask is dead. Maybe Penguin instead?
Maybe do Bruno or Max lord
I was thinking about your video for a few days after watching it. I figured out WHY this game ticks my off (other than buying it myself. YES I BOUGHT THIS TURD!) Its 2 core issues 1) Broken Lore that destroys immersion. 2) Gameplay. You have have one issue and the other being able to compensate but both and you have a DOA. Here is my take on improvements
Gameplay - This should be a Squad similar to Team Fortress 2. If you haven't played that game, it's a classic for a reason. Basically you have a team but that team is comprised of unique playstyle classes. Each class has strengths and weaknesses and no single class can win a scenario on their own. They need to work together to win. In Suicide Squad, every character is a shooter. It SHOULD be King Shark as a tank class that acts like a damage sponge and has melee brute for the team. Deadshot would clearly be the Sniper class. Boomerang would be the Spy Class that is based on infiltration, and stealth gameplay. Harley would be definitely be explosives, small arms, and fighting. This would open up a game that require far more enemy types and scenarios that would be interesting and fun.
LORE - I loved the cutscene quality of this game. They are well done but the writing is so unbelievable that it destroys any suspension of disbelief. I understand the game (by its name) must kill the League, but it's HOW it's done that rubs the fans the wrong way. Example: Cap Boomerang was a member of the Rogues. The Rogues, despite being villians, have a clear code of conduct and honor system. Cap Boomerang would be the FIRST to kick the snot out of anyone attempting to pee on the body of the Flash, just out of respect to an opponent. The kills of the League should be bittersweet and difficult. Imagine you are an assassin and you found your next target is someone you have a long history of respect or even personally care about. You wouldn't be acting like they did in this game.
The Batman death would be a great example. First off Arkham Haley would never act like she did in this game killing Batman, especially with that long history. If anything, this should feel like a mad dog she had to put down. Batman would need to be REALLY evil to prove he needs to be put down. Not just killing but being sadistic. Like Batman using his knowledge of Harley's emotional damage to taunt and harm her emotionally through the game. Even Batman fans should be like "Jeez Bruce, just stop." Despite this Harley tries to save Batman out her belief only this guy can defeat Brainiac. In the end, Harley finds a Batman Contingency Plan that Batman was unable to put into play but when she makes the plan happen, it gives Batman his mind back just long enough to lure Brainiac deeper into Batman's mind and trap a large part of Brainiac inside Batman's mind. While held there. Batman uses whatever willpower he has left to hold Brainiac in his mind and askes Harley to kill him. When Batman dies here. Brainiac is heavily damaged. Damaged enough so that the Squad actually have a fighting chance, where as in the pervious interactions between the Squad and Brainiac, it was obvious the Squad stood no chance. Batman's last sacrifice would have meaning, weight, and feel right.
The biggest issue I have with this is, who would ever side with Waller? She's literally built for the reader/viewer/player to despise.
My ideal version of the suicide squad game would have been a mix of DC Lego supervillains mixed with Far Cry permadeath.
keep the kill the justice league thing it could still work.
the game starts off with you playing as Rick Flag as Amanda Waller explains the first situation to you. the justice league has gone rogue. dont know why but they have turned Metropolis into a Demilitarized zone and are holding President Luthor hostage.
you select a ream of D list villains who on this mission come up against Superman at the end. the whole team is killed in a brutal fashion and then Flag asks Waller for the big gun. a large case is airdropped in and flag uses a kryptonite launcher on Superman, it should of killed him but then the green blast smoke is sucked up by Superman who smiles. "I'm assuming on this world thats supposed to hurt me in some way, because theres no way someone would be as dumb as to use Kryptonite on me" he says before flying off with flag.
theres your intro mission. TITLE CARD.
now you pick early game squad members so people like Blood Sport, Harley, Captain Boomerang, deadshot, peace maker etc. street level. you can buff them with gear and stuff but as you go through you unlock new squad members like King Shark, Killer Croc, Giganta, etc. and more will be in content drops as the game lifespan goes on and we get story DLC expansions.
essentially I'm doing the reverse of Crisis on 2 earths which usually has the Justice league go to earth 3 to fight the crime syndicate here the crime syndicate are here to conquer earth 1. but they are posing as the Justice League.
once a squad member dies they are dead. no resurrections. like you explained this adds replay value.
as in the game we got i have one squad member who isn't evil and its batman, obviously who is supposed to be dead after Arkham night but has been funding the Justice League since their inception. he also has counter measures for each member which he's going to give the squad to help take them down but he need he materials to get them so that adds and extra questline. like Far Cry games there will be a bad ending where You Join the crime syndicate as a "made man/woman" and fight Argus assets such as other squad memebers.
speaking of enemy types each member of the Syndictae has their own region and their unique enemy types.
Johnny quick Flash has Velocity 9 junkies which are fast but not super tough.
Superwoman has her Amazon warriors and their man slaves which focus on melee with swords, hammers, maces and spears.
Owlman has his Talons and has taken over the Earth 1 court of Owls. these are stealth enemies who will ambush you and run away to strike again rather than just fight off. there is enemy variety so not every enemy will do that but some will. Jump scaring the player like Manbat did in Arkham night.
Grid has various machines which are beefy but slow or aerial drones that come in 2 forms. small swarms that doo small amounts of damage but come in numbers. to larger ones which pack a punch but take some time for their attacks to hit like airstrikes
Power Ring has Constructs of the people he's killed kind of like Larphlies of the Orange Lantern corp. the use guns made of green energy constructs. they are pretty simple enemies but can do long range.
Ultraman has Eradicators. humans implanted with earth 1 Kryptonian consciousnesses and now serving under Ultraman. they aren't as powerful since they are ore like humans with Kryptonian buffs but they are tough and in higher level areas.
keeping in line with the crisis on 2 earths movie each member has 3 Lieutenants under them. cause enough ruckus or do some quests and you can take out the Made men. if you fail there will be one extra Made man and the one who killed you will be buffed.
once you take out all 3+ made men you call out the big bosses. the Syndicate members. these are the BIG boss battles. if you lose you lose progress in that map area and 3 new made men are generated. some made men are actually Sidekicks of the Syndicate members like UltraGirl. while others are familiar Villains like General Zod.
once you take out a Syndicate member or a named general like the two mentioned previously you cna bring them in for Big Boss battles and then again in New game plus. like in a lego game.
there are two final bosses. Ultraman which pays off the beginning with you using Blue Kryptonite to defeat him and Power up superman. then Owl man who wants so destroy the whole Multiverse after realising no amount of Conquering will be sufficient. you defeat him and thats that.
at some point in the game you get taken to earth 3 and help Hero versions of Villains we al know and love like Lex Luthor, the jester(joker) and many others. we can also play around with Hero Suicide squad villains.
as for possible expansions i have a Crisis on Earth X idea where you have to kill N4z! versions of the Justice League whch could be fun.
some squad members who for me are must shows are Harley, Deadshot, king shark, captain boomerang, peacemaker. id also like to see Rat catcher 2, pocadot man, Enchantress, Bloodport, El Diablo, Superboy. and many more.
id like for you to be able to go into the map with one or multiple squad members being able to switch between them. pinging enemies for you other squad mates to attack. and of course multiplayer. the max id have on a squad is 8 with 4 plyer squads leaving 2 dedicated squad mates per player. once in the map its like DMZ you die in there game over
I think you should go even further with the concept of sending AI companions on missions with the chance of them dying by giving each character unique skills that they can utilize on those missions.
For example, maybe Deadshot is better suited to handle lots of verticality and long lines of sight with targets that are in hard to reach places.
Or Copperhead would be better for stealth missions where you'll need a hasty escape if discovered.
But these skills would not be enough to carry a mission and guarantee no deaths; Instead each character's skills would contribute to an overall % based success rate, but you're always going to have to risk losing a character unless you build the exact perfect team for that mission.
Doing it this way guarantees that players are constantly swapping who they play as if they want to ensure that they won't lose anyone, keeping the gameplay fresh.
Yeah I like it. So the "perfect" team for a specific mission makes it easier to keep them all alive, while the "wrong" team makes it far more likely characters will die. Still allows for player choice but rewards you for planning ahead.
If this was legit I would've mained Peacemaker, Deadshot, and Killer Croc
And also this is from tv tropes Most people seem to think that the the badly received story-line moments, such as the universally panned death scenes of the brainwashed Justice League, and Deadshot getting a Race Lift, happened because Rocksteady had narrative consultancy agency Sweet Baby Inc write the story instead of them. Actually, Sweet Baby Inc joined development of the game after the story was written to make in-game ads, audio logs, and NPC barks,, so things like Boomerang trying to piss on Flash's corpse and Harley unceremoniously shooting Batman were conceived by Rocksteady itself and did not happen because of outsourcing. The one thing Sweet Baby might be able to be blamed for is the controversial backstory moment where Superman convinced the rest of the League to try to negotiate with Brainiac since that is told in audio logs, but whatever happens in the cut-scenes in the game isn't by them
Here is how I would rewrite this mess of a game. While I like your ideas, I'm going to keep in the spirit of Killing the Justice League. The core story should be about mere mortals battling Gods. The fact this game thinks any human can go against any single member of the Suicide Squad head to head is what breaks all immersion. First step would be the Squad trying to keep a low profile as they try to figure out how to take out each member of the League. In fact the first mission should end with the Squad almost being killed outright but saved at the last minute looking like they died. The game should play out as infiltrating and learning how to defeat each League member, and crafting tech or strategy to take them down so they are unique and memorable. Example: Superman has been under mind control in the past. Example: Poison Ivy made Superman obsessed with her and ordered him to kill Batman. Batman broke Ivy's spell by having Catwoman toss Lois Lane off a building. Batman knew Superman would always keep trying to fight to get back control, but needing a nudge.
Getting too much attention should draw the attention of the League, and you know you are good as dead if that happens, but could be fun seeing some menacing escape sequences. This also creates fear in the player if throughout the game they are running from these Gods and the Gods are just playing with them at first but as each member if the League gets picked off, the League takes the Squad more seriously. The thing is as the Squad gains more tech and knowledge, they also become more formidable, and even donning gear from fallen League members to aid in their fight to take down Gods.
This being an Arkamverse game, I see Batman as key defeating the League and himself. Even under mind control, Batman would have a plan. I see Batman's Omega Plan (AKA the plan of what to do to stop the League) being mission plans for the game. Batman would point to where to get the tech and who to find to get the tools needed to stop the threat.
There should also be gravity in each League member death and also a shifting of power from seeing these mere mortals as jokes and actual God killers. That is real important. There needed to be consequences for actions that have weight.
As for the Brainiac fight, the obvious form would be a Brainiac that can shapeshift between all the Justice League members and their powers. Imagine a final boss standing there holding Wonder Woman's Shield, Green Lantern Ring on his finger creating stuff, Flash's speed lightning effects, Batman's fighting abilities, and Superman's flying and laser eyes.
You would need to use all your gained knowledge throughout the game to know which attack strategy to use and when. This would be in whatever League form Brainiac takes to attack and how your respond.
In the end, I would have it revealed that the League you fought in the game were just clones Brainiac created from actual League members who are currently in a VR trance, having no clue anything is actually happening as their minds are occupied with a world they think is real and normal. Batman would be the only one to notice the VR world and from there was working a way to help the Squad along all the time.
Great video and i strongly agree that a suicide squad game NEEDS more characters. Not only for gameplay but narrative as well. As much as i love the SS i cant picture them surviving an encounter with the Justice League.
Lobo, Cheetah, and Enchantress would all be awesome additions to the team imo. They're all former members in canon and they all make combating meta humans a lot more feasible.
Another way to add more characters would be to have the SS team up with the Outlaws. I think it would make sense considering this is the Arkhamverse and the team is led by Jason. On top of that they are a reoccurring ally of the Squad. Having Bizarro, Artemis, Arsenal, Bunker, and Todd as playable would be pretty dope gameplay wise to so 🤷🏾♂️
You are extremely goated. This is what fans would have loved seeing.
I also had a game concept for the Suicide Squad
I would basically make it like the Payday games meets Borderlands. In the sense that you can matchmake with friends and each map has it's own story and/or missions. It would have the option to either be in third or first person, each character has their own gimmicks and weapons they can upgrade/switch out thats specific to the character. Some characters would be locked out of using guns, but that wouldn't matter because they have specified movesets, like King Shark would entirely melee, or Deadshot would suffer in closer ranged engagements, and so on. The idea that each mission, if played in a certain order, reveals the overarching narrative of the game like in Payday sounds like an interesting thing, and it puts you in the shoes of the squad, like your figuring it all out along with them.
When your selecting characters each teammate will select multiple characters each, that way if they die as one character, they can resspawn, but as one of their other selected characters until they run out and then they're done.
Each map/mission will have their own thing going on, like in one mission is to uncover the labs Lex Luthor is using to make Bizarro, and in the other is running a spec ops mission to kill Black Mask in Gotham while trying not to get Batman's attention. Another idea would be to infiltrate Themyscyra to retrieve a magical artifact, or something to the effect. In order to unlock more characters, you need to complete their mission when you get to a certain point, where in that mission they're the boss battle, or some sort of chase or something.
Think of it as "Suicide Squad: world tour" or something. That's all I really got, but I do hope tomrefine this someday, maybe...
Sounds good to me! All of these pitches in the comment section sound better than the game we got. How did Rocksteady go so wrong?
Honestly, just do what Origins teased and let us play as Death Stroke.
These are some great ideas!
Espesually having no shields, and melee being the main fighting style!
But I would like Grod to be a red harring!
And maybe even unlocked as a playable character!
Yes, great idea! Make one of the locations a zoo with a gorilla, and show that gorilla in the trailers to really throw everyone off before the game comes out.
I really like your pitch it’s definitely sounds better than what we got not I don’t think it could fit the shitty live service model WB is obsessed with. Once you defeat the main objective there’s nothing to do unless they create 12 more objectives for the following months.
Death stroke would have been a good addition but overall this plan for the game is way better than the actual game.
Honestly I think a character that could realistically defeat the justice league would be plastic man. Imagine a single player non live service game where you play as plastic man and you have to defeat the justice league, then at the end of the game it turns out that those were just clones. This would also make it hilarious with the interactions between plastic man and the justice league.
But people don’t see plastic man as a viable hero anymore :(.
I honestly thought with the whole mind controlled league aspect you would have picked Staro the conqueror since mind controlling is his primary method of conquest. Though White Martians would be a nice opportunity to show Martian Man Hunter some love, which we haven't exactly seen much of in recent years.
I thought this was great! Only disagreement was on the permadeath aspect. I totally get your reasoning, and I think you're coming from the right place, but at the end of the day in a game with uniquely designed characters AND a multiplayer element, I think permanently locking characters out of your roster while you progress is a little whack tbh. That said, if we were to bend the rules you laid out and design this as a strictly single-player experience I'd be much more amenable to it. Alternatively, even in a single player variant, you could have a scripted main squad of 4 who are the main characters who just don't die, but a small assortment of one-off missions starring the reserves who do die at the end of their missions, even if it becomes narratively predictable.
Just a thought though. Very entertaining watch!
Being super fair. Even in the comics they don't die. Well let be specific.
The important characters never die. Harley, Deadshot, King Shark, and Captain Boomerang would never get killed in a Suicide Squad story line. And the rare time it happens they get brought back imidiatly. (Looking at you Boomer) So hey. They picked the right main characters for the game I guess.
But as soon as some random shmuck you never heard of in your life (because they nost likely were created specifically for that one story) or some unpopular villain walks in, then you know they are not going to last long. (RIP Reverse Flash III)
Love your points. This is EXACTLY the type of game they should have created. It wouldn’t have received all the backlash the game actually got. Such a shame the creatives making this don’t think like the fans.
im not too familiar with dc lore, but i wished wb games would take care of that lore better rather than tryna fish money out of it. great video, love ur ideas!!!
Bruh how did you make an interesting game in 30min while these guys couldn’t in years?!?
What would be dope and would include a four player mechanics
Is if mission are one not open world but also allow given roles to the suicide squad, like shark is a brute who goes in guns blazing while a other player is in a different section of the level that suits there characters skills like dead shot who would snak around while shooting as he did in Arkham origins
This sounds much more fun than what we got.
And Here the some tip. If you do part 2, Let make take in Metropolis because i like the whole. Hey let do a other city then Gotham, so yeah let take places in Metropolis
Let say Gorilla Grodd/white martian big plan is to attack Metropolis.
Other main problem with is lack riddles ( yes there 40 riddler trophy but is 21 actully riddle wait that it plus there more stuff) and let have some Metropolis character. Keep Lois lane as news brodcast
Let have riddler. Give 200 riddle and 800 riddler trophies
And let do Metropolis character let have rose/thorn in the game. And let say Bruno he Guy who make Gun and take penguin role. Let say Bruno is just try give Guns and weller basic do what penguin did.
Morgan Edge or Max lord take basic black mask role. That you creator ( let use more dc character then Gotham character )
And give more then main justice league maybe sub boss like green arrow and black Carney.
The PvPvE would be such a cool idea
I think it does NOT have to be stealth, because most members of the Suicide Squad are NOT into subtlety. Instead, I would have had the gameplay be a cross between third person shooter and beat 'em up. But, each of the playable characters' fighting styles would be DIFFERENT. Harley would be a wild card using a combination of clown-themed gadgets and whatever weapons would be laying around. Captain Boomerang would, of course, exclusively use his boomerang and superhuman speed, but the super-speed would be from a drug made by Cadmus instead of stolen Speed Force energy. King Shark would focus mostly on brute strength and brawling. Deadshot would focus MORE on guns than his allies. El Diablo would exclusively use his pyrokinesis and that rage mode he got similar to the 2016 movie even though the 2016 movie sucked. Killer Croc would be similar to King Shark, except he would much much slower compared to King Shark. Enchantress would exclusively use her magic as well as martial arts she learned from the centuries she lived. Lastly, Slipknot would exclusively use his ropes as weapons. Others would be unlockable through progression or cheat codes.
Yeah is could be fun. Can give example Harley and clown theme weapon.
I don’t mind the whole captain boomerang stole speed force stuff
And they already had all of jokers gadgets/gameplay to draw from in Arkham asylum to repurpose for Harley.
Also I think something to put into perspective with this game is that it was leaked that it was supposed to be a stand alone game that was used to promote the last suicide squad movie and starro being in place of brainiac. Not only that but it originally wasn’t supposed to be in the Arkham verse but they wanted it to be popular with Arkham fans so they just through it together.
If I were to make a suicide squad game I would make it a suicide squad 1-8 player co op game where you go on missions that cycle out on a timer. A good game to compare it to is warhammer dark tide, you are supposed to be expendable which I think is a vibe that needs to be in a suicide squad game.
Get this man to Rocksteady offices! Now!
I'd definitely play this game, great idea!
2 things about this one i heard the perma death machinic was in the early version of the game before it was canceled and then became a rocksteady game
and 2 funny thing about not using grodd is the damian wayne batman game that was being worked on was gonna have grodd in it LOL
I would've made a Justice League or Batman Beyond game instead of Flop Squad. That would've been a lot better because that's what fans want.
That's the thing, no fans were asking for the game they made. This feels entirely like WB mandating what the game should be.
@@groundedcritic WB is too obsessed with Suicide Squad and it's killing DC.
@@callmejacob3234 1 movie, 1 game, and 1 animated series is not what I would call obsessed.
The second movie was popular. It made sense to capitalized on it. The issue is that they went the wrong way about it and fucked it up.
Plus just looking at the state of WB Games a Justice League game would be just as bad as Kill The Justice league.
@@groundedcritic I been asking for a Suicide Squad games for years. But that goddamn Monkey Paw got me again and we got a train wreck instead. lol
I always thought an xcom like adaptation of the original Spiderverse comic would make a cool game but it makes sense for the SSquad too. I don't mean turn based tactical gameplay, I just mean like your own customizable pool of soldiers who can die permanently if you don't want to savescum.
games too good to be made
Maybe do part 2 and fix the whole black mask thing.
Pretty good.
I think just put Metropolis was good idea on papper. I get it rocksteady is like f no. We don’t want to do Gotham again so why not Metropolis.
I think 12 is to mush.
And i wish more Metropolis character. Yes i know Alien invasion thing, but lets say you get Bruno Mannheim, and he one make Guns and so on,not penguin
With this idea, people are going to start doing gameplay of. Let’s see if I can keep all the characters live challenge.
White Martians are great! I think the Hive are also good. I would make it a left for dead style of combat.
You have four classes. Frist is guns, that's your dead shots. Melee, your Katana Death stokes. third is specials theses are your pokadot mans. Their more niche and don't fit one role. Then finally you have tanks or bruisers. Theses are your king sharks orca killer crocs. Their very large and pull agro and play like tanks and chargers from the Left for dead multiplayer.
The only class limit is that you only take one tank.
In terms of story you have all of the iconic cities of the Jla. The hive have warped their minds, you go into their city and its a shit show and theirs one super villain working for the hive in said city.
The super villain is the mid way boss, and that causes the jla member to put you on their radar.
So for example you go to star city and lets say mirror master is willing working for Hive. this villain is not brain washed. Then after you beat him Flash gets a notification to return to star city.
Personally I think that can be neat. White Martians work better for a live service.
Deadshot having a Jet Pack is not something new tbh
can we have rick flag as a member of suicide squad or if not let him be like commission officer
I’m gonna be honest, I may not like the games story but if they add polkadot man I’d sink hours into it
Oh so i see your idea is some what similar to resident evil Operation Raccoon City too something I suggested the game should had been like
Dang, this guy can draw
My idea is that threw out the game, we belive that Brainiac is behind all of it, you know, with a giant skull ship in the atmosphere of earth, intell he starts acting different. And we get small hints that it's not Brainiac at all, like him getting angry that each member of the JL gets dogged and then he starts to get a little..scared after a while since a team of slobs are killing his strongest chess pieces that he has. Then half way threw the game, it's revealed that its not a "Brainiac invention" at all, but its rather white marshions.
And so the second half of the game has us fighting white marshion Justice League members. And with Knowledge that marshions hate fire, these boss fights are basically a cake walk. And so, after we destroy the bodies with fire, we face the big boss himself.
After a confrontation, we fight them. And after dogging the leader of this invasion, we can decide to kill them, or spare them.
If we kill them, Batman wouldn't be to happy because he had possibly lost viable information on where the JL are, and if their still alive or not. And Waller will be pleased that we fallowed orders.
But if we are to spare the white Marshion leader, Batman would be pleased and that he can find out if the JL is alive or not threw the leader. And waller will be in a pissy mood ecause we are listening to someone that is lower then her, and then she goes on a rant that sge "owns task force X"
Dude your videos are really good, you deserve way more subs
Thank you very much.
I made my own version of kill the Justice League and a save the justice league version. One where Wonderwoman kills the justice league. Or flash. An idea where wonder Woman teams up with the Batfamily to help save the justice league.
I knew this Game was gonna be Bad by just the Title, the Delays, and the Passing of Kevin Conroy with Marketing the Actor and the Arkham Fans to play the Game but I thought it was gonna be so bad is good at least however it was way worse than I expected it to be, I watch 2 Days of this Game and I felt Miserable that I described the Experience as Insulting to both DC and Arkham Lore and Fans alike, I felt Nothing for SSKTJL and it just makes me want to play MK1 More, at least it gets A lot of Things Right and has People that loves Mortal Kombat than the Little Respect Modern Rocksteady has.
I'd play your suicide squad version any day
Let's say they actually hired real fans to make this game it could've been possibly great bc the fans know what we want the devs don't care what we want
the gameplay itself just feels like a chore and the story is complete nonsense. A bunch of misfits taking out superman AND batman back to back is ridiculous in my eyes. its a shame because the characters are really funny and charming. your take on the game should have been what we saw on release day :)
If you to do 12. Now i want you do each 12 backstory
Let do Harley frist. You can do whatever. You want but it don’t i give some help
Let say she becomes more crazy in 5 year, she is still love joker and she got this weird kinda that scene in 2016 Movie. That she want a family like she want this family with joker and she basic to subplot she want Clone joker to make kids. She want this mother figure. As homage to Batman beyond her clock is ticking and maybe give Harley some weird Happy ending that she become a mother of 2 kids one boy and one girl.
Captain boomerang let do he got fued with the flash. Maybe he kick out for rouges and maybe he want revange of the flash. And maybe later other flash villian will show up for cameo, like white martian kidnaper them.
I don’t for king shark.
And i don’t for deadshoot either would go whole he is black or not.
I have no time for rest
I liked the original better🤷🏾♂️
I think that they had forgotten about azrael he is trying to be the next batman
I like your ideas however I think with those games you should incorporate the justice leagues arch villains to help but you have to defeat them in order for them to help like you send members to lex corp to get kryptonite but you have to defeat Lex Luthor in order to get it when u beat him he gives you the kryptonite and use of any of his tech weapons something along those lines but great ideas you had though and I think the villain should be Darkseid and with the option of killing or not killing the justice league it would be so much better because if u save the justice league you can join forces with the suicide squad to take on Darkseid but if u kill the justice league Darkseid invades and you have to have to defend against Darkseid with the help of lex Luther and the arch villains of the justice league and Batman
Sounds cool!
What I really wanted rocksteady to do was a trilogy of Superman games, building up to Darkseid and the justice league. Sadly SSKTJL is what we got instead. Thanks WB.
If I made it I would reject sweet baby inc butchering the game with their ESG policy and hire the og Arkham trioligy devs team back, end of story
I suspected people moved on or would anyways, like reading the dev stuff and certain delays, it still stings but the reasoning is there
13:49 because he's dead
Yep. Forgot about that.
no worries lmao
@@groundedcritic
I wish I could play your version bro
Thanks
No is black mask dead or something
Yeah he gets killed in the red hood dlc for Arkham knight. Totally forgot that when I made the video.
@@groundedcriticand do part 2
I want to play his game more
Sounds amazing, just wondering how the gameplay mostly combat would work in a more specific way
Keep the melee from Arkham games, closer to asylum then knight. Slower reactions so you could only counter 1 or 2 people at a time instead of like 30 in knight.
Ranged gun play would be 3rd person and work like Uncharted, though each character would have special moves specific to them.
Couple examples:
Deadshot could do a charged sniper shot that bounces off walls/around corners. (He'd have a version of detective mode so he could see through walls.)
Harley could drop chattering teeth mines.
Croc/king shark could pickup and throw people.
Kitanas sword charges up with each kill then detonates around her knocking everyone back.
Copperhead climbs walls and can do a drop attack similar to Batman's ledge takedowns.
Stuff like that.
@@groundedcritic wouldn't it just make the most sense to use thr character that has a gun then and render the others mostly useless?
Thank you for your video...I am going to make a video like this. How I would have written it. And it will have the Suicide Squad but they are not the main characters.
Let me know when you post it. Id love to watch it.
@@groundedcritic Thank you.
Or how bought ras al ghul and Vandal savage?
Why doesn't the sudicie squad have bronze tiger ?
IDK they should he's awesome and has been part of task force x multiple times in the comics.
So as I suggested once Make It like Left 4 Dead
Black mask is dead in Arkham cannon, after the red hood dlc
Being fair. So i Joker and he is the first DLC character. lol
@@Magnet_Chaos fair point lol
@@Magnet_Chaosthat different universe
@@Melvinshermen Then have a different universe Black Mask?
My point still stands.
Love the video man!
Thanks
Don't give us hope bro😭
Bro really made a way better game
Why you draw dead shot as the rocketter
Red hood killed black mask
What about this for a other factions The League of Assassins
Could be cool, who would be leading them, since you have to choose in Arkham knight?
@groundedcritic I really do not know. Wait a minute deathstroke
@@groundedcritic but I think that is going to be ra's al ghul no matter what you choose in AK
Trust me these are better than the dc's fortnite that we got
Like xmen legends?
If you go to put in some who battle, will a sword have a feel like a knight is will play is
:- D
this pitch makes too much sense. Unfortunately the game was too focused on vertue signaling and girl power to care about making a good game.
What you seen helldivers?
This is stupid.