I would love it if there were public "libraries" for instruments where you could go and play. I am an amateur recorder player and I would love to be able to try other baroque instruments, but I can't just go out and buy a baroque oboe to see what it feels like...
Many thanks to Petra for her help and nice smiles. Oboe is one of my favourite instruments but I must say that the oboe d'amore and the corno da caccia were stunning instruments with a lovely sound.
I wish that baroque oboes were more readily available at an accessible price point. I think recorder makers actually do quite a good job of this - with the recorder, of course! But can you advise of any woodwind makers who produce an affordable baroque oboe? Thanks, as ever! This was enjoyable to watch.
You'd have thought a company like Zen-On, Aulos, Yamaha or similar could produce plastic/resin reproductions of Baroque oboes, d'amores and da caccias for a far more affordable price (compared to wooden student models by Moeck or Mollenhauer) like they already do with their plastic reproductions of Baroque recorders.
What do you consider an affordable price? I seen in Berghem barock hobo's for around € 1300 which is not an unusual amount of money for a decent recorder as well.
This is a lot of fun to watch. Thank you!! Untill 10 years ago I played modern oboes for about 30 years, except bass-oboe (Heckelphon). I bought a baroque oboe a few years ago but I had not enough time for practicing AND reed making. With a little regret I sold it again. So I went back to the recorders with well build models, also a voiceflute. I love to simply grab a recorder, warm it up and off I go with Barsanti, Händel or Hotteterre... Oboe will always be the big love affair of my life, though. Nothing better than a Bach cantata with oboe solo. And I played so much symphonic literature that I don`t feel missing anything now. 🙂
I love the Baroque oboe, it sounds so much fuller than its modern counterpart. What next? The shawm, its direct antecessor? Or maybe cornett/serpent, I think the "lip reed" embouchure isn't harder than the wooden ones, and I can manage playing something as a complete amateur without big difficulties. EDIT: Surprised by the fast progress, expecially since the oboe has a reputation for being very tricky at the beginning. Sarah truly has the cut as a wind player. Some tips given in the video I also notice can be transferred on the cornett, thus thank you very much for this video! Are you now considering also buying a Baroque oboe?
That was so much fun! I always wanted to play the oboe but I tried playing one for an hour, I had a headache for 2 days, the back pressure is something else. Oooh, I have a Jaqueline Sorel alto recorder A415 in rosewood and it is my favourite recorder. What a lovely instrument, thank you both so much.
(Yay a new video :] ) This remind me of when i swapped instruments with some friends once; we were in an orchestra project camp for adults and it was partially chamber music. So in our group we decided to just swap our instruments for one piece. It was really funny teaching a cellist trumpet and learning the oboe. Interestingly, he chose the a to be the first note to play, too. I taught him some trumpet and in the end we could both play about two octaves in range.. Great memories!
You might want to check out the channel of the Orchestra of the Age of enloghtenment if you haven’t already, they are so cool and explain all of their baroque instruments really well!
Depends on the oboe. Hotteterre's fingering chart makes them seem similar. F# and G# are quite different. Bb varies. Top Bb and upwards is different. Other than that, recorder/baroque flute/baroque oboe are very similar.
As a former "serious" oboe kid who switched to flute and recorder for fun after HS, and who's since switched to EWI, this was SO much fun to watch!! btw, I notice Petra has lovely dimples when she plays, and even when she crows her reed. Does that mean I had dimples when I played? Hmm. One question: I know modern oboes can be pretty pricey. Are Baroque-style oboes at least a little more affordable? Even on the EWI, that exhaling between notes thing is no joke!! That's one way my oboe background still comes in handy! You looked pretty comfortable playing duets with Petra. Any chance you'll be taking up the Baroque oboe long-term?
Can't tell why, but these baroque double reeds always sound way juicier than the modern ones. The oboe da caccia, cute, sad and in a way funny. And the oboe d'amore, snuggly and velvety.
I just wanted to "pipe" in about Jacqueline Sorel's Sattler oboes - they are very nice, beautifully made, easy to play, and Jacqueline is wonderful to work with. I have one, and so do several of my students.
I have a baroque oboe d'amore and I occasionally get nice sounds coming out. Picked it up a while back on Aliexpress. I hope you stay with playing the oboe.
It is interesting that the leather covered "hunting" oboe is in the key of F. The same key as another instrument associated with "the hunt", the french horn. The "hunting" oboe even mimics the curved shape of a french horn...or is it the other way around?
horns just ended up in f as a compromise once valves were invented. before than, they were transposing in the key of the crook, leading to mental exercise for modern players.
That was fun, didn't want to watch it all but it grabbed my interest and apprehension that you might not get it even being a pro Recorder. Change the reed (they say Oboe players spend the most time with the reeds) and you were right at the learning point with her. Cheers I have three clarinets 40's on I rebuilt and playing with a new Alto and a Tenor Aulos and found I hardly have to breath at all or I end up in the register. Before they arrived I was actually doing breathing exercises and even with Asthma but I need no force at all. (warming up the head joint area is a boon to hitting the lower notes)
What could be more double reed than to blame the reed. 🤣 I didn't know that the staple was part of the instrument back then, on a modern oboe it's part of the reed.
It's more like a really short crook that's fitted in the socket, then the reed fits onto it - similar to a modern d'amore or cor crook. There are Baroque oboe reeds built on a single long staple that's bound/threaded all the way down to fit directly into the socket. Baroque d'amores and da caccias (yeah I know I'm pluralising the wrong words there) use crooks like their modern counterparts.
I have noticed that most or all of my friends who play baroque oboes and maybe even bassoon/dulzian also play recorder when there's, say, a pastorale. However, friends who only play recorder seem to get bent out of shape over this. I only play recorders, violin and viola, but I'm kicking myself that I passed up the chance to buy a Sand Dalton oboe for around $200. I do think that my husband and cat are relieved.
re a 3d printed plastic baroque bassoon. i defer to Junior Wells on this: 'Somebody help me! I can't do it by myself'. prosthetic limbs are one thing, but is the tech gonna break through b4 aulos rides to the rescue. it cd be the latest form of early garage music with the homebrew resin bass curtal gangs facing off against aged maple Wolf replicas. bring it on.
As a modern oboist starting on recorder, I'm having a really hard time making sustained notes and the end of notes musical. All my usual tools don't work and I have a horror of just holding a note without shape. Do you do vibrato effects, intensifying or speeding up the vibrato as you go? But it's so nice to be able to play something else when my lips give out and also not to worry about reeds, an instrument that actually just works! Also, when I was a kid my oboe teacher said in the first couple years I was "in the duck pond." I cried a lot at the beginning. I'm also really curious, if one branched out into baroque oboe, do you go 440 or 415 usually, or just always need both? Hotteterre's book was crazy though, the oboe bit just says "it's all basically the same" in like 2 pages.
Every instrument Petra plays is at (roughly) 415. Since the most common application for historically-styled baroque instruments would be historically-styled baroque orchestral (and ensemble) music, I'd imagine there would be relatively few instruments made at 440.
There are makers who do also baroque oboes in 440hz but not many oboist own one. But usually if you want to really dive into baroque oboe, 415hz is the one to go
baroque flutes are hard because of that third, the f# or f, which are tough to tune, but oboe makers got round this by applying an extra Eb key so the maj 3rd can be well tuned without a compromise, but why didn't early flutemakers do the same?
Hello professor. If you think playing the baroque oboe for the first time makes you feel dizzy, try playing the 15-pipe diatonic Romanian alto pan flute for the first time. It too will make you feel lightheaded. But after playing the pan flute for several days, you’ll get acclimated to it; and that intoxicating feeling will dissipate. Happy fluting. 😊
i much prefer the baroque oboe to modern ones in sound, they actually sound like an instrument instead of a cheap keyboard's idea of a woodwind instrument
Have you ever listened to good oboe recordings? I used to feel the same way, but after hearing some very good players, i started loving the sound of the oboe
I wonder if you would do better on a shawm. I found it quite easy to play shawm starting from the recorder. It is just a much more fundamental-friendly instrument- though it has a nice D5 the centre is more like at A4 and notes above G5 A5 are kind of not exspected.
Comparing a baroque oboe to a modern one is not correct, however my personal taste is in favour of the baroque oboe because I consider it more expressive and with a more pleasant, rounder, warmer voice unlike the modern oboe which I also love with its "nasal voice", certainly less pleasant.
love how sarah‘s just casually singing high c‘s and d‘s
I would love it if there were public "libraries" for instruments where you could go and play. I am an amateur recorder player and I would love to be able to try other baroque instruments, but I can't just go out and buy a baroque oboe to see what it feels like...
Oh this would be AMAZING
Bern museum!
Many thanks to Petra for her help and nice smiles.
Oboe is one of my favourite instruments but I must say that the oboe d'amore and the corno da caccia were stunning instruments with a lovely sound.
I wish that baroque oboes were more readily available at an accessible price point. I think recorder makers actually do quite a good job of this - with the recorder, of course! But can you advise of any woodwind makers who produce an affordable baroque oboe? Thanks, as ever! This was enjoyable to watch.
I'd love a decent 3D printed baroque oboe. Take my money already!!
You'd have thought a company like Zen-On, Aulos, Yamaha or similar could produce plastic/resin reproductions of Baroque oboes, d'amores and da caccias for a far more affordable price (compared to wooden student models by Moeck or Mollenhauer) like they already do with their plastic reproductions of Baroque recorders.
If you're willing to go down that rabbit hole, I've seen baroque oboe files for 3D printing floating around the internet.
Tony Millyard
What do you consider an affordable price?
I seen in Berghem barock hobo's for around € 1300 which is not an unusual amount of money for a decent recorder as well.
This was so fun to watch as someone who's played modern and baroque oboe as well as recorder. 🤩
This is a lot of fun to watch. Thank you!! Untill 10 years ago I played modern oboes for about 30 years, except bass-oboe (Heckelphon). I bought a baroque oboe a few years ago but I had not enough time for practicing AND reed making. With a little regret I sold it again.
So I went back to the recorders with well build models, also a voiceflute. I love to simply grab a recorder, warm it up and off I go with Barsanti, Händel or Hotteterre... Oboe will always be the big love affair of my life, though. Nothing better than a Bach cantata with oboe solo. And I played so much symphonic literature that I don`t feel missing anything now. 🙂
I love the Baroque oboe, it sounds so much fuller than its modern counterpart. What next? The shawm, its direct antecessor? Or maybe cornett/serpent, I think the "lip reed" embouchure isn't harder than the wooden ones, and I can manage playing something as a complete amateur without big difficulties.
EDIT: Surprised by the fast progress, expecially since the oboe has a reputation for being very tricky at the beginning. Sarah truly has the cut as a wind player. Some tips given in the video I also notice can be transferred on the cornett, thus thank you very much for this video! Are you now considering also buying a Baroque oboe?
This was SO interesting omg. You picked it up so fast and Petra sounded incredible. I didn't realize there were so many different kinds of oboe, too!
That was so much fun! I always wanted to play the oboe but I tried playing one for an hour, I had a headache for 2 days, the back pressure is something else. Oooh, I have a Jaqueline Sorel alto recorder A415 in rosewood and it is my favourite recorder. What a lovely instrument, thank you both so much.
Baroque oboe is easier to blow than a modern one.
(Yay a new video :] )
This remind me of when i swapped instruments with some friends once; we were in an orchestra project camp for adults and it was partially chamber music. So in our group we decided to just swap our instruments for one piece. It was really funny teaching a cellist trumpet and learning the oboe.
Interestingly, he chose the a to be the first note to play, too. I taught him some trumpet and in the end we could both play about two octaves in range.. Great memories!
That was so interesting and beautiful to see you guys having so much fun
Oboe is certainly one of the nicest instruments with it's piercing sound in orchestral music.
Ty Sarah and your friend.
You might want to check out the channel of the Orchestra of the Age of enloghtenment if you haven’t already, they are so cool and explain all of their baroque instruments really well!
That oboe d'amore really sounds lovely.
It DOES ❤️❤️❤️
Educational and enjoyable!
My thanks to both of you💐🙏💐
Cool!! Apparently baroque oboe fingerings are similar to baroque flute. Id love to try one!
The fingerings felt very intuitive for sure!
Depends on the oboe. Hotteterre's fingering chart makes them seem similar. F# and G# are quite different. Bb varies. Top Bb and upwards is different. Other than that, recorder/baroque flute/baroque oboe are very similar.
As a former "serious" oboe kid who switched to flute and recorder for fun after HS, and who's since switched to EWI, this was SO much fun to watch!! btw, I notice Petra has lovely dimples when she plays, and even when she crows her reed. Does that mean I had dimples when I played? Hmm. One question: I know modern oboes can be pretty pricey. Are Baroque-style oboes at least a little more affordable? Even on the EWI, that exhaling between notes thing is no joke!! That's one way my oboe background still comes in handy! You looked pretty comfortable playing duets with Petra. Any chance you'll be taking up the Baroque oboe long-term?
Love the oboe run! Thanks Petra!
Can't tell why, but these baroque double reeds always sound way juicier than the modern ones. The oboe da caccia, cute, sad and in a way funny. And the oboe d'amore, snuggly and velvety.
*Cries in perfect pitch
I just wanted to "pipe" in about Jacqueline Sorel's Sattler oboes - they are very nice, beautifully made, easy to play, and Jacqueline is wonderful to work with. I have one, and so do several of my students.
Finally, every typical woodwind is covered by Sarah!
*mock gasp of offense in clarinet*
Oh wait, she did cover clarinet. Never mind me. XD
@@TJtheBee she made a clarinet video!
th-cam.com/video/6o8qFpSRa5s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Y33auY0Fw3YupAQm
Such a lovely sound. Love it!
Hahahaha, Sarah! Of course you would play Daphne 😂 Brava! 👏
I didn't expect the oboe da caccia to sound like the bassoon, how interesting..
I have a baroque oboe d'amore and I occasionally get nice sounds coming out. Picked it up a while back on Aliexpress. I hope you stay with playing the oboe.
It is interesting that the leather covered "hunting" oboe is in the key of F. The same key as another instrument associated with "the hunt", the french horn. The "hunting" oboe even mimics the curved shape of a french horn...or is it the other way around?
horns just ended up in f as a compromise once valves were invented. before than, they were transposing in the key of the crook, leading to mental exercise for modern players.
or, it might be a masonic conspiracy. maybe F is the illuminatis favourite key.
Incredible! Delightful!
That was fun, didn't want to watch it all but it grabbed my interest and apprehension that you might not get it even being a pro Recorder. Change the reed (they say Oboe players spend the most time with the reeds) and you were right at the learning point with her. Cheers I have three clarinets 40's on I rebuilt and playing with a new Alto and a Tenor Aulos and found I hardly have to breath at all or I end up in the register. Before they arrived I was actually doing breathing exercises and even with Asthma but I need no force at all. (warming up the head joint area is a boon to hitting the lower notes)
Such a sweet instrument. I know so many recorder players who double on it. Maybe I should join their ranks.
It sounds wonderful ! I love it !
That was fun to listen to. Maybe as much fun as it sounded to record.
Very interesting and entertaining, thank you both
What could be more double reed than to blame the reed. 🤣 I didn't know that the staple was part of the instrument back then, on a modern oboe it's part of the reed.
I feel like that was my true initiation into the double reed world 😂
It was not. That is a modern reconstruction.
It's more like a really short crook that's fitted in the socket, then the reed fits onto it - similar to a modern d'amore or cor crook. There are Baroque oboe reeds built on a single long staple that's bound/threaded all the way down to fit directly into the socket. Baroque d'amores and da caccias (yeah I know I'm pluralising the wrong words there) use crooks like their modern counterparts.
I have noticed that most or all of my friends who play baroque oboes and maybe even bassoon/dulzian also play recorder when there's, say, a pastorale. However, friends who only play recorder seem to get bent out of shape over this. I only play recorders, violin and viola, but I'm kicking myself that I passed up the chance to buy a Sand Dalton oboe for around $200. I do think that my husband and cat are relieved.
time for baroque bassoon!
Jaaaaaaaa
re a 3d printed plastic baroque bassoon. i defer to Junior Wells on this: 'Somebody help me! I can't do it by myself'. prosthetic limbs are one thing, but is the tech gonna break through b4 aulos rides to the rescue. it cd be the latest form of early garage music with the homebrew resin bass curtal gangs facing off against aged maple Wolf replicas. bring it on.
Make it a baroque double bassoon! HOOOOOONK
WOW!!!!!😄😍
That's the coolest pepper grinder I've ever seen. When! When!
The oboe da caccia sounds like a bassoon in its higher register... it could be suitable for renaissance dances or traditional folk songs.
Good job, Sarah Jeffery. I wish, I had the same lung capacity to just start playing an oboe.
As somebody who used to play clarinet, it is ALWAYS the reed’s fault.
At 17:00 is that a song from Bach’s mass in B minor?
Yes it is!
Qui sedes a dexteram Patris, aria for alto and obbligato oboe d'amore.
Something tells me a baroque oboe is considerably more expensive than a mid-range priced tenor recorder....😳
As a modern oboist starting on recorder, I'm having a really hard time making sustained notes and the end of notes musical. All my usual tools don't work and I have a horror of just holding a note without shape. Do you do vibrato effects, intensifying or speeding up the vibrato as you go? But it's so nice to be able to play something else when my lips give out and also not to worry about reeds, an instrument that actually just works! Also, when I was a kid my oboe teacher said in the first couple years I was "in the duck pond." I cried a lot at the beginning.
I'm also really curious, if one branched out into baroque oboe, do you go 440 or 415 usually, or just always need both? Hotteterre's book was crazy though, the oboe bit just says "it's all basically the same" in like 2 pages.
Every instrument Petra plays is at (roughly) 415.
Since the most common application for historically-styled baroque instruments would be historically-styled baroque orchestral (and ensemble) music, I'd imagine there would be relatively few instruments made at 440.
There are makers who do also baroque oboes in 440hz but not many oboist own one. But usually if you want to really dive into baroque oboe, 415hz is the one to go
@@PetraNuria Thank you! I saw both models for sale and wasn't sure.
Such a hard instrument to make a beautiful sound with. I finally sold mine...
3:49
>>She got it, she got experience
*THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID*
From an oboe player, it is always the reed’s fault ;)
I agree! 😂
stellar fun :-)
baroque flutes are hard because of that third, the f# or f, which are tough to tune, but oboe makers got round this by applying an extra Eb key so the maj 3rd can be well tuned without a compromise, but why didn't early flutemakers do the same?
This shows how much easier it is to start on baroque oboe than on modern oboe.
Hello Sarah! Q: Is a baroque oboe tuned to a 416Hz A like the recorders from that era?
These are indeed in low pitch, A=415Hz 😊
Fun fact: J J Quantz started on the oboe but switched to the flute because he thought he'd be more successful. Pretty good call, as it turned out.
Oh wow I didn’t know that!
Hello professor. If you think playing the baroque oboe for the first time makes you feel dizzy, try playing the 15-pipe diatonic Romanian alto pan flute for the first time. It too will make you feel lightheaded. But after playing the pan flute for several days, you’ll get acclimated to it; and that intoxicating feeling will dissipate. Happy fluting. 😊
i much prefer the baroque oboe to modern ones in sound, they actually sound like an instrument instead of a cheap keyboard's idea of a woodwind instrument
Have you ever listened to good oboe recordings? I used to feel the same way, but after hearing some very good players, i started loving the sound of the oboe
Although I like the baroque oboe more than the modern one, I would never ever compare the sound of a good oboe player with that of a keyboard.
I wonder if you would do better on a shawm. I found it quite easy to play shawm starting from the recorder. It is just a much more fundamental-friendly instrument- though it has a nice D5 the centre is more like at A4 and notes above G5 A5 are kind of not exspected.
Oh, I would LOVE to play shawm
ha you sound like a duck!! 15:34
*Going from loosest embouchure to tightest* Let's see how it goes 🤣
Comparing a baroque oboe to a modern one is not correct, however my personal taste is in favour of the baroque oboe because I consider it more expressive and with a more pleasant, rounder, warmer voice unlike the modern oboe which I also love with its "nasal voice", certainly less pleasant.
Nowhere near as nice as a recorder or a modern oboe.
Sarah is a beginner. I like the sound of a good player, like th-cam.com/video/n49xUzpsdfM/w-d-xo.html
Modern instruments have so many keys that they are disgusting and also too shrill.
Not a huge fan of the way modern oboe sounds. The baroque oboe is so much prettier.