I'll never stop playing modern games like it's still 1998
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I still game like it's 1998 - even with modern games. 4:3 gaming just scratches a particular itch that nothing else does, and the reduced input latency I get in games like @Splitgate is unmatched.
The improved motion clarity, the zero added input latency - CRTs just beat out LCDs in nearly every way. Don't just read this, let me show you.
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Two questions for you.
1. How does this compare to an OLED? Correct me if I am wrong, but OLEDs claim instant response times correct?
2. How would I connect my PC to a CRT? I have a 3080 with HDMI 2.1.
Both answered in the video essay on main! th-cam.com/video/WIDeNItt69s/w-d-xo.html ;)
Oled is fast but not as fast as crt. And crt's still have much better motion clarity
Use a VGA to HDMI converter. Better would be VGA to USB-C tho. Bigger bandwith. And no OLEDs still can't be CRTs in response times.
I bet you already watched the vid but i wanna leave this written here just for posterity:
1) OLED has deeper but more uniform blacks.
2) OLED matches CRT Input Lag but still cannot match its motion clarity, to get an OLED close to CRT Motion clarity you need black frame insertion, which always dobles input lag, but in your case, that would still match CRT because for you to use a CRT you'll be needing a displayport or hdmi to vga adapter, which adds a bit of input lag.
Both techs, including OLED with BFI enabled and CRT using a digital to analog adapter, will still be A LOT faster and clearer than ALL ips and va monitors, the only thing that comes close to that level of speed and clarity on the lcd market is the Zowie XL2566K which for you, if you're looking into OLEDs and CRT's , will not be worth it because it has colors that you will find physically repugnant.
Both technologies will be doing sub 1ms input lag, at their best, oled may be 0.80ms input lag while crt may be 0.13 or 0.20ms , but both will be noticeably faster and smoother than a +9 ms lcd, basically, 120hz on OLED or CRT will feel like 360hz on led unless its the Zowie XL2566K, which feels like an oled or crt, but looks like cardboard.
As for how these monitors compare to each other in real singleplayer games, that's an entirely different topic, but basically, OLED is like a perfect light, whereas CRT looks like a candle in the dark, they're both beautiful but for different use cases, Resident Evil 7 looks a trillion times better on any CRT than on any OLED or lcd, but Cyberpunk 2077 looks best on an OLED than any other display tech, but plasma does get close.
since CRT's create the image by literally projecting a stream of light directly onto the phosphor coated glass, you are basically operating on the input latency of light itself lol, an oled is alot faster than an LCD but nothing compared to a CRT
If companies just started to make CRT options again, I'd buy such a screen instantly
"Just"? The factories and production behind these things were insane.
Unfortunately, they were almost a miracle. We will _NEVER_ see something as advanced or complex as a CRT sold to the public or manufacturer at all again. Period. Most people completely misunderstand how insane and complex they are. To manufacture such a thing, it was only possible due to scale. These days, it would cost literally millions each since you'd never sell more than a small few thousand of them. The mass adoption allowed the perfect storm to make them fairly cheap for what they were. The mass and size alone would make them impossible to distribute and sell these days. At least large ones.
@@KenjiFoxill settle for an oled monitor than!
...and I'd be standing in line with you, wallet at the ready.
@@KenjiFoxnah they are not as difficult as you think and with modern technology you can make the parts and materials a lot easier
Props to this guy for uploading the video in 4:3 to make it easier to watch on my CRT. Cheers!
Of course!
He don't have something else than a CRT, i don't think than he is able to record a video in another format than 4:3.
@@epluribusunum5318
>shows him using his options
>he has options, but choose not use them
@@Sombre____ there's 16:10 CRTs tbf
What is the game at 3:21?@@lostsaves
CRT was amazing for FPS games. I remember switching to LCD. Man, what a shitshow regarding motion handling compared to CRT.
And just responsiveness.
Also forget about playing at sub-native resolutions. Lower resolutions on CRTs don't even look 'bad'
Too bad I realized this too late. I was a CRT monitor user until 2012 when I switched LCD playing FPS gave me eye problems and migraines.
OLED is the future
@@HiltTilt Yeah. But I still want to play 1080p on my monitor, and there are no 1080p, high hz oled monitors out there. :D
@@HiltTilt No, the only thing that will ever take on and beat CRT is uLED. Micro LED is everything OLED wishes it could be. True individual LEDs per each sub pixel complete with instant response times and basically zero wear or image retention. It will be a while before we can get the dot pitch where it needs to be (there goes the CRT lingo) no matter whether they are arranged in shadow mask or aperture grill.
These will be the brightest, fastest, and longest lasting displays ever. LEDs can react faster than phosphor can, but the control system can't be as fast as analog CRT. They are the ultimate display tech to finally replace CRT though.
One of my personal fantasies involves Sony realizing they have a mothballed CRT factory and reviving the Trinitron brand to offer fresh new CRTs in the modern day. Imagine being able to use a CRT that's new, has a warranty, just works out of the box, has the geometry set perfectly, is actually bright because it's not 25 years old, and has modern inputs on the back...
If "modern inputs" mean something that is digital, then it completely ruins it because it adds latency. DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort also all have DRM functionalities in their protocols.
@@tikkasen_urakointi I understand, but what's the alternative?
@@onogrirwin Analog.
@@tikkasen_urakointi Modern GPUs don't have analog outputs...
@@onogrirwinThen they cannot have zero latency, and they will always have DRM enabled.
Everything is converted to analog before it is physically shown on the screen.
CRT's are so high-quality & pleasant to eyes sometimes i miss using these they were amazing in the 2000's doe :D
Just get a good OLED lige the Asus pg27aqdm
I love how you rendered the video at 4K60fps but the footage is (mostly) 4:3. Awesome haha
2880x2160! Gotta get that high bitrate encode, papa bless AI upscaling
Mostly? Pretty sure all lol
Mostly is probably right. I think Infinite only renders 5:4 despite being set to the right res so I stretched it a tiny bit and BF2042 was technically rendering in 16:9 720p just squished to the monitor
@@lostsaves I said mostly because you captured off screen footage using what I assume was a 4k camera
@@Nick930 dude haha move along and hand in yer book report
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2 added benefits: You don't need to buy GPUs that are anywhere near as expensive. Though you may be paying more for your power bill by using a CRT, your PC needs far less power to render in 4:3 1024x768 since even modern entry level cards are often rated for at least 1280x720 performance.
The second benefit is that if you do a lot of emulation, or play a lot of older games, you don't need to use "scanline filters" to make them look as intended.
Older games content were actually designed to lower resolutions so it looks terrible if looked at some 4k resolution.
I always set game resolution to match with prerendered cutscene resolution or some other hint that reveals what resolution content was designed. It looks better then but of course you can crank up antialias / anisotropic etc. settings from graphic driver. That also means image aspect ratio.
1440x1080 would be the default resolution which is 4:3 1080p.
@@GouShin1
1600x1200 was optimal high resolution to 21" CRT. Very same reason wide screen professional LCD displays are 16:10 aspect ratio having 1920x1200 resolution. That is excellent for playing games for various aspect ratios and resolutions.
Older games it makes sense to use 640x480 (I use that on PSX emulator), 800x600 worked perfectly on 1920x1600 screen when playing Prince of Persia, Sands of Time or Syberia 1&2. That is the resolution for original Xbox era games.
Penumbra series worked best on 1024x768 and that was released 2007..2009. Usually games made for Xbox 360/PS3 era looked good in 1280x720 when using PC.
I really can't be stressed enough how much better low resolutions look on a CRT.
i still get the top of the line hardware. why? because then i can crank up the super-sampling, which looks godly on my CRT with a little bit of sharpening thrown on in the drivers, and then crank up the raytracing. raytracing with supersampling and sharpening on a properly calibrated CRT just outright shits on every other display technology. for reference i've ran 1600x1200@85hz on my g220fb for years, i cant imagine how amazing a fw900 running at 1920x1200@95hz would be, i've come across several great specimens i could have bought, some day in the future i'll also have the money available to do so at the same time.
I'm trying to convince as many people as possible to live their lives as if it's the late 90s / early 2000's. so this video brings me great joy.
Tbh, same. We need to go back to CRT screens, old phones. The style of fashion and the music was great then.
@@127Kronos We all need to go outside and touch grass.
@@adrnacad3434 BRO I SWEAR LMAO
I'm late to this but I'm in. Late 90s/early 00s was legit the best time of my life. How do we start though?
@@bitchface235 I was born in the early 2000s but I feel like the 90s is more my thing than anything modern. Most things were just better, such as video games, aesthetics, music, tv shows, movies, etc.
I still have a couple of CRT TVs. Lately I've been re-playing my collection of PS1 & PS2 games on it. They look so much better being played that way than modern port versions on a flatscreen.
Gods you're gonna turn me into a Retro collector aren't you
Mwahahaha
So you're telling me this is the main reason I became worse at fps games, and not the fact that I got older?
Used to playing q3 and cs on 100hz CRTs for over a decade. Switched to 16:9 LED for screen space in EVE online and some MMOs. Tried quake live on it and just couldn't get these perfect 180+180 turns. It's weird, pretty sure there is more to it than response times. Perhaps only the very high end flat panels work. On a cheaper LED anything first person just feels shit and unplayable.
Yes it was and getting older didn't help on lcd
I sadly had to trow away 3 Eizo Flexscan CRT monitors. They had all RGB, and VGA connections, superb quality. I grabbed 12 of these screens from a Bank who switched to flat screens for free and sold them around 50-100€ a piece to video makers and hardcore gamers. I kept 3 of these for myself but my parents didn’t want to keep them because they took too much space…
Feel for ya heaps dude. :(
It was the norm man, we threw away two top line CRT monitors one 60 and one 75hz, alongside two CRT tvs they were E waste during mid 2000s no one thought we would go back.
This video is even presented in 4:3. You are an absolute legend.
There's a 3rd reason for using a CRT... You're hopelessly nostalgic like me and just love CRT glow.
I'm glad I found both of your channels! It's a bliss watching someone, specially in such a great quality, pouring out their love for CRTs! I've been daily driving 17" PC monitors since around 2015. They're nice for high resolutions and refresh rates and all, but people seem to forget that they can go pretty low as well! I love me some Quake at 320x200. I've asked around, and it seems Quake, and just about any 320x200 game, were never supposed to have scanlines, since they were almost always line doubled to 640x400 (60 or 70Hz, to match 31kHz), but having 320x200@144Hz set on my GPU driver settings, just works (in DOOM, also)! Not to forget emulation: 1280x224@130Hz, 1280x240@120Hz, and even a custom 256x192@150Hz (yes, crazy) are all resolutions I use on my emulators! Arcade games look so sharp, since it's very easy to match the odd resolutions most of them had.
My only wish was to find a bigger screen, because most of the text in modern games simply wasn't optimized for anything lower than 20", and even at something like 1440x1080 (the max res my monitors can reach), it's very hard to read most of the text on a 17" screen. Here in Brazil, people have been dumping PCs along with their monitors since around 2011, because of smartphones and all, but just when I started looking for a CRT in good condition (2015), I was too late to the party. I had a 19" Samsung that lasted me a month before getting color issues. I also came across another, more recent, 19" with crazy resolutions, but I let that go simply because the colors were weird. Had to kick myself many times in the butt a little while later for realizing that it had to be because it simply wasn't degaussed, and it was also sitting on a metal bench when the owner showed it to me...
Low res Quake is such a vibe!
Thanks for the vid!
I remember playing first PC games back in 2001.
My dad bought a fresh PIII 700 Mhz, 128 RAM, Riva TNT 2 Ultra 32 Mb PC, with a fantastic (almost) flat 17" Samsung 753DF CRT. Man, I was amazed. I mean, UT '99, Quake 3, Serious Sam, Soldier of Fortune 2, all those games really did look stunning.
Hell yeah!
Took me a few years after the advent of flat panel monitors to realise why games felt better before... Had a stash of CRTs now for years and years and my friends think I'm a weirdo for hoarding these things and taking them wherever I move to rather than giving them up.
This video just popped up on my newsfeed and the title absolutely intrigued me. I thought, "What the hell does that even mean??" and had to watch.
As someone who never really paid attention to things like input latency etc, my mindset was always "git gud" or "a poor worker always blames his tools" - but watching the video and listening to you explain your points made me actually read up on this more and I gotta say. Throughly enjoyed watching your vid. Learnt something new today, gained a newfound appreciation for things such as refresh rate etc and overall, enjoyed everything about your video. Glad that this video randomly came up on my feed.
Protect and cherish the humble CRT. They are a dying breed.
You absolutely nailed it! CRT is the way to go. I have five of them until the death (mine or them)
I finally got a couple crts over the last few months, WoW classic on them is an absolute nostalgia tidal wave. Im happy with this little 17" NEC diamondtron, but im hoping I can find a 21" some day. I missed a listing on a 21" dell trinitron for 20$ last week 😭
How do you not have more than 5.2K subscribers with such production quality? Your narration style, your voice, the writing, the pacing - it is. So. Good.
I still got a 19" monitor, in this ratio as you have.
Great times indeed.
Todays 16:9 27" is just totally modern, but some games are just soulless / or have too complicated (sickening, depressing) backstories...
Gaming must be a fun time.
Glad this video popped up in my recommended, made me decide to get my old CRT back out of my closet once again to use for my computer setup. I like using it for stuff like Discord and other online feeds but it's also super awesome for games like Classic Doom and some 90's/early 2000's visual novels.
I watched it on a big 4:3 monitor 😎 Thanks for the HD captures as it spared me the time to see how they looked like after install lel
Glad you enjoyed!
Thank you for making this video in 4:3. It looks great on my Pixel Fold without having to zoom in and cut off the sides
I’m great full to have my old computers win xp crt monitor and over 300 games from 1995-2007.
Absolutely awesome video
Thank you very much!
watching this on my crt. as god intended
Thanks for rendering this in 4:3
Not sure what I was expecting but I definitely did not expect this video to have such a crazy montage
Just upgrading from 60hz to 75hz led monitor helped me drastically in OW back in the day. was High Silver, climbed up to High Gold and even Low Plat.
An ultrawide's center still has all 4:3, it just got extra on the sides which is better for FPS games since you have more visual periphery information. In FPS games, left and right periphery holds extremly valuable information, top and bottom is just sky and ground, both of those are irrelevant mostly (there are games of course where people can jump on you from up, that coud be an exception). In other games, like for an RTS, flight sim, space sim, 4:3 might be better, since valuable information can also appear on top and bottom as well.
Actually, not particularly true. The peripheral visual fields are not particularly relevant in an FPS game if you're good at the game and paying attention; in a well-designed FPS title played by someone who doesn't suck, if something needs to be visible? The player already has it vaguely centred in their vision. If peripheral visual information is actually relevant? It usually means someone got the jump on you, and you weren't paying attention to other environmental cues, or weren't correctly tracking the movements of targets.
Meanwhile, unless you're playing a game that lets you reposition all the HUD elements so they're clustered around the middle of the screen, the increased distance between the crosshair and your health bar etc means that moment to moment, your brain and eyes are having to do a lot more work to take in all the information on the screen.
At 4:3, you don't actually lose any significant information, and the information you're receiving is far more efficiently delivered. And that's leaving aside the fact that 4:3 resolutions achieve a higher pixel density at lower performance cost. For example, 1024x768 is a higher clarity resolution than 1280x720, despite the fact that 1280x720 = 921,000 pixels, while 1024x768 = 786,000 pixels.
I'd say there's perhaps a slight advantage to widescreen for console shooters, because turn speed is much slower so you need more warning of targets entering your field of view (again though, you should know they're there before they enter visual), and the FOV tends to be much, much lower.
@@NicholasBrakespear That's nice and all, but most developers prevent the use of 21:9 in competitive environments because it absolutely presents a tactical advantage over 16:9 users. Especially if the game is played in third person. You see so much more game environment that it affects your planning and awareness.
@@RicochetForce In games with inferior audio feedback I'm sure that's true. But given the basic limits of peripheral vision (that it's mostly good for spotting movement), the actual number of situations where the extra screen width is genuinely the deciding factor? Is incredibly small.
For example, let's say you're in a space that's big and open enough that you have direct line of sight at a wide angle on targets - well, that also means you are in literally everyone else's line of sight. So the tactical advantage there is rather heavily offset by the fact that you are wide open. In Battlefield-style games, the only time you'd ever open yourself up to this scenario is if you're playing sniper, and you're on a ridge you can duck below. And then of course, you're using a scope due to the distance, which utterly negates the wider vision anyway (and that's leaving aside the irony of using a wider screen when the majority of modern shooters have heavy use of iron sights, and have a depth of field/blur effect/FOV reduction when doing so).
Most good FPS level design simply does not feature the kind of wide open spaces where you'd even make use of the extra screen width - the average shooter environment will involve solid level geometry on at least one side of you the majority of the time. And in these closer-range engagements, if seeing a little extra to the side has decided your fate? You sucked. It meant you weren't checking your corners, and you weren't paying attention, because nothing should have been so close to you without you knowing exactly where it was and what it was doing.
Of course, what also rather dumps on the apparent "advantage" of a wider screen ratio is the issue of FOV... and the fact that you can have a large FOV with a narrow screen ratio; that field of view and screen width are not connected. In fact, when it comes to processing a wider visual field, 4:3 with a high FOV is far, far more efficient; your eyes literally don't have to move, and you're not relying on peripheral vision. Everything you need to see is within an optimal vision cone.
In fact, due to these basic issues of distance and environmental design, I really can't think of any scenario in which having a wider screen genuinely affords the player a tactical advantage.
I mean, has everyone just forgotten about "slicing the pie"? There's a reason that's the preferred technique in real life, rather than standing in the doorway and using the full width of your vision to identify threats when entering a given space.
@@NicholasBrakespear Thanks for the discussion, Nicholas. Unfortunately, we disagree here on a fundamental level and I've heard some of your points argued with TOs regarding the use of ultrawide monitors.
They absolutely refuse and cite legitmate advantages to that game presentation that either most be mitigated (but doing what Overwatch does and cropping so it robs it of its advantage) or restricts the game render output to 16:9.
And while you're speaking strictly with regard to FPS, I'm talking about advantages across the board in all genres. To say nothing of the immersion advantage Lost mentioned.
@@RicochetForce Well it's a little disappointing that you have nothing to say about the rather irrefutable issue of FOV not being connected to screen size, other than "disagree", and maintain a rather vague reference to "advantages", but okay.
CRT is so amazing, nothing has matched it still. Not even OLED. I miss mine every day. I had 5 different ones, one 17" 160hz died, two were lost from moving around, a 15" 60hz 1024x768 and a 17" 160hz 800x600. The forth really needed repair for being too blurry and i still regret throwing it out. A sony trinitron 19", and a viewsonic 19" i sold when i should have kept it today
Facinating. I keep this mind my game dev stuff and I know that its possible to query the hardware for display options in code.
The FPS increase of a 1024x768 screen would be insane
You are deadly accurate with that CRT I wouldn't wanna be in a ranked match with you I'd break my PC. This makes me wanna get a CRT so badly.
Picking up a SONY GDM-F520 from a friend who had one forever and never really used it; super stoked especially after digging up one of my old dell crts and booting up the quake remaster and playing through that
Oh hell yes!!!!
yeah I still remember playing Team Fortress Classic on CRTs. When switching to a TFT it always felt a bit weird at first due to the almost ghosting effect in motion, but modern flatscreens are in a much better place now than they were in 1999.
The biggest problem I had when playing on CRTs was the headaches I would get after playing for longer stretches, this was the main reason I got a flatscreen. No more headaches :)
CRTs are definitely nice if they were made by a good manufacturer. A lot of the consumer CRTs were garbage. It's kind of funny to see trash sets being listed for high dollar amounts with "retro" and "gaming" being referenced.
I have 20 CRTs currently, mostly SD Trinitrons, but I recently grabbed a 21" Sony GDM-5410 tube that I'm reconditioning right now. I completely forgot that the 60hz flicker drove me nuts. I remember changing the refresh rate on any monitor I used to 75 or 85Hz back in the day. Anyhoo, back to WIN DAS calibration videos!
Plenty of consumer stuff was great, too! Just only the cheapest of the cheap was pretty limited in bandwidth.
And yeah, thankfully 75hz was usually the minimum default back then. Can’t even get my Windows 98 and XP installs to let me set 60 on some of my CRTs atm
Maybe something with the EDID data. I had to use CRU to manually add the resolutions & refresh rates in Windows 10 on my laptop. I am limited by the MiniDP to VGA adapter. I'll find out once I put this C2Q / 9800GT build together & install XP.
Yeah the converters can be hit or miss
I love retrogaming on a CRT TV. I never used a pc CRT and I would love to try this. I remember having a CRT at 6, but can't remember how does this looks or feel.
The point you gave about 4/3 is interesting. 21/9 doesn't necessary mean wider, it can feels like a 16/9 beeing cropped.
I use a 27inches monitor for gaming, and often find the HUD hard to read. The 4/3 ratio helps to focus on more information within a smaller space.
I also have a question : how do you plug a modern pc on CRT without latency ?
His point about 21:9 is actually dead wrong.
21:9 isn't cropped 4K.It's the 16:9 resolution with 50% more image on the left and right. It's not "narrow".
People really misunderstood that point to hell and back, huh?
I was talking about comparing an ultrawide to 4k. 3440x1440 is nearly the same width of 4k, but missing a ton of height. I’d rather just have that height.
Same with 2560x1080 - that’s just a 1440p monitor cropped down, I’d rather just have 1440p full sizw
@@lostsaves But why are you comparing a 4K display, which is 16:9 to a 3440x1440p display, which is 21:9? The correct comparison would be a 1080p 16:9 to a 1080pUW 21:9 monitor or a 5120x2160 display (ultrawide counterpart to 4K) to a 3840x2160 panel.
Anyone who liked the benefits of an ultrawide (and had the wildly deep pockets to afford a 2160p UW) would spring for that over 4K.
How is that the "correct comparison"? You're not limited to only those choices. For the same footprint/cost/etc. You compare to the closest size. Because again, with a 5120x2160 monitor, I could get a proper 5K monitor and still have more screen real estate lol@@RicochetForce
thank you for your videos! you inspired me a lot to start my own channel!
Rad! Enjoy the journey!
Wow, CRT takes me back when I played PS2 and GameCube games with my friends. And my early days of PC Gaming with Age of Mythology/Empires 2, Aliens vs. Predator 2 and the time my cousins gave me their most precious possesion, a cool as hell N64.
I miss having a CRT so bad ;____;
Time to get another!!!
My CRT Philips 17'' is dying. ;(
I'm looking to maybe add a CRT at some point to my room but I also was thinking about finding a way to place a modern monitor inside the frame of a wider CRT body simply for the aesthetic. I'd love to have a desk area that looks straight out of the 90s but with all the modern features just hidden in other devices
I remember gaming on a big crt tv when i was a kid with my gamecube and i loved the glass screen
I have a Samsung Plasma TV til this day and It still rocks. Very little input lag compared to LCD or LED TVs and way less blurry in fast movement images (like racing games).
For me, a 4K plasma TV starts to feel like a great Idea.
CRTs were definitely an interesting set to play on. I'm happy your interested in playing on CRTs and take advantages from it. Yet, for me, I like better visuals and colors.
Now, I played on CRTs again. During the beginning of covid, I gave my PC to my sister so her and my mother could make videos for my mother's church(and they also took the camera equipment as well). When that happened, I was only left with my phone. Luckily game streaming from your phones and things like Genshin Impact came out(when it wasn't intensive enough to play on low end phones unlike now).
Sooo...I had to find games, consoles, and a set to play on. Luckily my brother is amazing at preservation and keeps everything in nice areas like you do(it's like walking into a retro store). So I visited him. I got my PS2 Slim and GBA SP. And I was making money at the time building computers for others with mostly used and some new components. However, covid immediately put that business when everything shot up in price to a halt. So, I used my understanding of local sellers and customers. I ended up getting three CRTs for free!
And after experiencing each, I must've got a bad batch of different kinds. The first one being a pink Disney themed tv. It has speakers built-in and it has pretty great sound. Until it literally exploded, fire and all when playing FFVI on the PS2. Then then HUGE and I mean GIGANTIC kinda flat screen CRT. It stopped working and turns out it's bulbs where on the brink and of course I destroyed it. I thought it was absolutely my fault cause I was trying to be careful, yet it's bulbs burnt out and crapped the rotary. And finally, a CRT monitor which I was wanting to use to play FPS such as yourself. It's cables where too old and when I started using it literally with my CRT expert next to me. It popped! And that was it. It fried everything.
So with my experiences of CRTs. It extremely hard to find them in good albeit usable condition. Yet, I found a monitor without any stand and a broken DVI port at a thrift store which I got for $3. I fixed the DVI port with zero knowledge of soldering. And you know what, it's fantastic and it's colors are actually really good. I also have a Xbox 360(free), PS4 slim($40), and Nintendo Switch v1($200 with a bunch of games) which I fixed cause they were "broken". All they needed was tlc...and rubbing alcohol with right amounts thermal paste and pads.
I learned that there are many things I can enjoy that I can fix if broken. Yet, CRTs are not one of those. Once they are gone. They are pretty much dead. Which is sad cause they really weren't built to last. Yet, I do understand the enjoyment even if it was short lived.
That's upsetting to hear. I've collected over 25 CRTs in recent years, even one that was rained on, and the only ones to have died were just packed horrendously and had the neck break during shipping.
The one with the "bulbs" would have probably been a DLP rear projection TV, not a CRT. CRTs don't have bulbs :)
@@lostsaves Main reason my buddy, Andrew, told me was the fact that we live in the southeast USA. The humidity here...is insane. And even if you are indoors in a dry room or well air conditioned room in a sealed space ship like cave. The humidity WILL get into the electronics and it WILL kill it. Which where as modern(well 2000s to today) components can be dried out and reused with rubbing alcohol and tlc. Something about older technology in this area just all die eventually. It's why not only the CRTs given to me died. It's why the majority of all CRTs die faster in this area than most. Or even older audio equipment or older computers and server racks. It sucks but it's the truth. I hope experience CRTs again in some way like I did when I was young to teen years. But, for right now, it's not happening.
That’s also where I live lol
@@lostsaves Okay. So you understand. It's that moment where I could go to hell and I'll be like, "Hmm. It's chilly in here."
Thats why i play worse.
recently came across a sony trinitron 24in crt and have fallen in love with my ps2 again. I almost forgot how crisp and clear the games look and how the nostalgia hit felt when i turned it on for the first time. the 'click, and hum' when you hit the power button, to the sound from the ps2.. the speakers are great and the games look just as good as they did 20 years ago!
Yessss
I also played tons of Halo PC on my CRT back in the days. I also was BLOWN away by MAX PAYNE. The slow mo + CRT is just crazy. I remember when my CRT died, i was so happy to get a flat LCD screen, i was 14 in 2004 and I didn't know so much about monitors, but I felt that something was wrong. It was the pixel response time, horrible. I miss my CRT much.
Oled 16 by 9 curved got me back to that crt feel again.
glad i discover your channel
my 1st PC was at january 1998 intel pentium mmx 166
Thanks for watching! And rad PC
i miss old tech so much.
honestly besides screen size and over the years, coming down to image quality, nothing comes close to the crt i had back in the day. i also found the crts to be less straining on the eyes somehow and the overall representation is something we kind of lost forever with flatpanels. modern displays look too clean, and too 2dimensional artificial. looking at a modern display, your brain knows its just a super thin sheet of paper you look at. crts had a way more natural look. like: look outside of your window, looks nice right? now take the most expensive camera on the planet and take a photo of your window and print that on a flat surface and hang it to your wall... doesnt really look the same right? you immediately know, its just a picture and not an actual window you watch through
This is why i play FPS games in window, in 4:3 ratio resolutions still today.
i don't use CRTs anymore but i still use a 4:3 (1024X768) lcd monitor for the same reasons you mentioned. the latency isn't nearly as good as CRT, but like you mentioned, it's so nice to have everything right in front of you all at once. works great with mmos like WoW that have very busy HUDs.
Years ago I wish I never threw out my CRT. Playing gears of war 1-3 on it felt like they looked miles better than when I got a newer TV, I even felt that way the moment I switched and turned the games on but I stuck with it because new = good in my mind.
new equals good and most peoplr mind just look at comments during console reveals its full of people going nuts
I just love that this video is in 4:3. Btw I am viewing this on a crt
Yesssss
I remember a Viewsonic 19 inch monitor I had growing up. You could overclock it, so to speak, using a custom resolution and refresh rate. I could take it to close to 100 Hz on the lowest possible resolution. it was glorious.
Great Video. Awesome voice, you can easily broadcast sports on tv with that voice.
Kudos to you for using 4:3 for the video
The most interesting TH-cam title, and 2.35 subs, YT algorithm why...why. 😑😑 I really enjoy your videos by the way, keep up the great work.
Thank you.
Love the aspect ratio of this video ;)
Before I built my new gaming rig with a 40 series card I was still playing on my dusty but trusty ol’ PS3 for 10+ years. I had bought a cheap but nice 4K TV for it tho’, advertised for gaming. I also have this tiny Gründig CRT TV with a built in VHS player my dad took home from one of his work travels MANY years back. It even says “Made in West Germany” on the side. For nostalgia reasons I decided to take it out of the attic and hook it up. I was so surprised by how responsive and smooth playing on it was that I kept playing on it for 5+ months. Nowadays I play with my tower on a high HZ 4k QLED TV but after seeing this I might just hook up an old CRT to it some day.
ridiculously boom-headshotty.
I still don't miss the size of the CRT taking up all that DEPTH.
I still don't miss being close to the CRT and taking some radiation and my eyes twitching a little after long screen time.
Only the like very first wave of CRTs from the 70s (none of which you’d have really used for any real PC work and aren’t around anymore) had issues with radiation leakage. That wasn’t a thing on any that home users would have ever seen lol
What I really want is 1.41 ratio screens. This is the ratio that international standard paper uses, and it’s awesome because if you split it in half you get the same ratio. This would be perfect for split screen games and split windows for productivity.
Flat 4:3 is still the god-tier aspect ratio for gaming. 16:9 only became popular because of the consumerized fad of "widescreen" everything. I will die on that hill.
Always wondered why I like playing crisis 2 on 360 with the CRT monitor. It always just felt right
Been gaming on a 2004 Nec Diamondtron for years. 22 inch at 1600x1200 and 85 hz still looks amazing.
I remember playing Halo on good old CRTs and then going to panel tvs and I could tell the difference right away. Some of my friends thought I was crazy.
I'll be honest; I'd do anything to have my CRT's again. I had a Fujitsu 19'' CRT and this unknown monstrosity I bought off some dude on my local Craigslist which was like maybe 22'' and weighed probably 50 pounds!! I didn't care, dual monitor setup with those was awesome and I still regret having handed off to a Goodwill donation center.
Gaming on a CRT was good, real good. Dated? You bet your ass off it is, but there's still nothing like it. Nearly 20 years later and I still feel the pain of those valuable milliseconds of input delay playing on today's LCD's. In gaming, that actually matters, and I miss it so much.
I think the hardest screen type to ignore in the future will be microLED because they have essentially all the benefits of OLED with barely any drawbacks. But the fuzzy warmth of CRT and retro-feel will never be perfectly replicated by newer tech. I don't see many 4:3 aspect ratio microLED screens on the horizon either, but that would be amazing!
I have. 4K HDR MicroLED monitor. It’s nothing to write home about.
@@lostsavesIn that case, good to know CRT will never become obsolete!
@@lostsaves You don't have one, they don't exist lol. You're confusing miniLED with MicroLed
@@iokuuMicroLED TVs are absurdly expensive, and I haven't seen any MicroLED monitors yet. You might be right about @lost_saves having meant miniLED instead of MicroLED.
I've been playing modern titles on my Viewsonic g220fb for years, and I've also had a SGI GDM5011p for longer! Well before the craze started! Right now my g220fb is connected to my 3080ti. My friends say I'm crazy and that their OLEDs/LCDs are so much better than my heavy, hot, power hungry CRT. I don't care though, I'm never getting rid of it, even when I find a fw900 that I can afford, I'll just push it to the side as a secondary monitor. The aspect ratio support thing though I'll never stop complaining about, I've found it weird that arbitrary aspect ratio support has all but vanished in a lot of games, they don't even offer UI safe zone controls anymore most of the time, I'd like to see that change. Personally, I actually like 4:3 a lot more than 16:9, for screenshots and photographs, which I take a lot, and for gaming as well. For me, you just cant beat a CRT, on high resolution modes with modern games, or low resolution modes at crazy refresh rates on lower fidelity games new and old with those SEXY scanlines. And with their incredible repair-ability they last forever, and those bulky chassis' really do make for a great place to stick stickers, and make it tell a story of my life. I could go on and on, I love CRTs, and truly hope they make a comeback.
this is awesome, CRT FTW 🔥
I went through like 15 crt monitors over the years back in the day, they would just burn out eventually or the hud would burn into the screen lol. I'm not going back to that tech, I really just don't need to. I never play fps multiplayer games anymore, all my CS/UT days are way behind me. I'm good these days playing on 4k tv from the couch. Its still cool some folks are still using it, we cant get rid of the 60s mustangs either :D
Same, I don’t play multiplayer anymore. Games like Day of Defeat (2001) on PC and rainbow six 3 on Xbox live I used to play so much. Those were magical years of gaming.
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I was gaming on a CRT monitor until around 2015. Only thing I didn’t have was widescreen. The picture looked great.
it was a blast watching this on my rig. CRT LG flatronEZ t730sh, Beige tower with intel core 2 duo 2,94ghz 3mb - 3gb ddr2 RAM - gt8500 512mb running windows 7 SP1 HD 80GB ( OS ) and external hd 500gb. A XPC white analog mouse.
Split gate is very fun. Looking forward to the next game from them.
Speaking as someone who also has a deep voice, the way you're talking is the equivalent of when someone with blue eyes opens their eyes real big and stares until you compliment their eyes.
People sure like to project some weird shit into other people’s voices. I’m just talking. There’s nothing wrong with it
I still remember when i changed over from CRT to LCD. Took me two years to realize the LCD had horrible latency. I seriously thought it was a placebo effect to why my skill went downhill
As someone who grew up with CRTs and 4:3 formats, i still feel like 4:3 was the best ratio
i still remember in 2009 local CS competition they still bringing out CRT monitor even though by that time everyone already had lcd monitor, i guess they really do matter in game where every frame counts
Remember me playing HL at 800x600@144Hz on CRT. It was flawless! No input lag, no ghosting, and of course no dead pixels )
It's pretty smart modern games will run better because of the lower resolution and lower resolutions look far better on a native display the whole 4k thing is kind of a gimmick because even the most modern cards often can't push native 4k at high refresh rates. I switched to 1440p because it's basically the sweet spot these days but if your on a budget a crt is not a bad idea. Not to mention the better response times and other advantages of a crt oleds are a good middle ground to although those tend to be 4k is the problem and lower resolutions don't scale too well.
I recently found a old CRT sitting in a garage on a job I was at and luckily the owner was more than happy to give it to me for free. Drove home as fast as I legally could and hooked up my gamecube to it. Metriod Prime in CRT glory flicked on a rush of memories, and it dawned on me that CRT is the only way to game and I'd forgotten my roots. So I'm pleased to see how much of a CRT movement has risen over these past few years on youtube. CRTs are not a hype train-they're a way of life! Now to find a CRT mointor so I can bring this experince to my PC!
Amazing, YES! Welcome aboard
I remember when I first played Black Mesa. I was excited to see that it included a remake of Half Life Deathmatch. My favorite online fps ever. I jumped in and to my surprise I discovered that it sucked. I couldn't snipe people crazy fast and accurate like I could back in 98. For the hell of it, one day I decided to hook up my Viewsonic CRT to see how it looked on a modern PC. I was surprised at how awesome it was. I didn't remember CRT being so good. I fired up Black Mesa and there it was... no input lag. It was playing just like the Half Life I remember. I can deal with flatscreen motion blur to some extent but the input lag is just awful no matter how good the screen is. CRT just stomps all over a flatscreen as far as input goes. I miss this 0 lag feeling.
It should be illegal to be this good at video games HOLY SH!T!!! Great informative video btw
CRT's sould of never went away, they should of just innovated the connectivity to a (plug n play) medium* so it would still be semmless to use and genuine CRT to this day. I think some technologies are dated BUT NOT CRT's these are national treasures amoungst the PC Community and should always have been cemented in a postion where the forefront of Gaming is concerned -
OMG gaming on flatscreen CRTs made for color correction. It's SO overkill but... need headshots.
bro this is so cool
I like how the video is in 4:3 aspect ration.
I have a CRT monitor too, my refresh rate is 90hz and i love it
I lost my eyesight to these CRT monitors, it was a one day notice change, that's how fast it messed my eyes up. Now when I try looking for a couple of seconds on a CRT monitor my eyes start feeling a slight burn.
I love that 73 FOV.
I´ve been after a CRT for a while. The degauss feature is amazing for demagnetizing mechanical watches
What adapter do you use to the convert hdmi signal to your crt?
Because I am in the market for one and there is not so much information out there
This is something I would love to try, I have not seen a crt in a lonnnngggg time.