Timestamps: 0:00 - Riot Games puts the S in Games 16:05 - Project A (FPS) 23:36 - Project L (Fighting Game) 25:29 - Legends of Runeterra (Card Game) 43:26 - Froggen Comes in to talk current Worlds Groups results 1:15:20 - New Groups predictions 2:14:35 - Click Debate presented by PUMA 2:21:42 - JUUUUUUUUUUUKES 2:22:02 - Discord Call-in (discord.gg/cloud9)
I was on hold once for AT&T customer support for over an hour. They transferred me around in a circle. They are one of two companies whose services I sworn I'd never to use again. I hope my enjoyment of this show isn't breaking this sacred oath.
I'm not the biggest fan of froggen, but respect his journey to where he is today, I really enjoyed his insight on picks he's watching and favors for mid lane atm.
I think you guys are severely underestimating the interest of League players in other games. A lot of people aren’t happy with Hearthstone, these companies by no means have “a corner” on their markets
In my mind, the fear for riot (or any online card game) is now having to complete with magic the gathering. Mtg finally got a great online platform and that card game is so much better than every other card game plus mtg has the 25 years of history and ground work.
@@thunderbolt1213984 they make these games to make money. If league wantes go branch out they would make an RTS but they cant monitize that easily so they wont
At 2:10:05 Loco says it's important that TL get first in their group. I agree with him, that they can't beat G2 and SKT, but seeing how FPX has played this tournament, I think TL will 3-0 FPX
I'd prefer a more unfiltered setting over this any day. But fact of the matter seems to be that it's thanks to sponsors bankrolling this show that these episodes even exist. Let's not act as if Montes, Thorins and (to some extent) Locos time doesn't have any value. So I'll take it.
Its in the description, 'Rollin Rollout' by a fella called 'Skence'. Its library music (i.e., stuff that can be licensed for TV plays) but he's a french hip hop producer, I believe it's also released commercially as well. Ah yes, Skence, album is called 'Exotica'. Cheers. :)
I don't think the Senna and Lucian lore was too good personally, but I think the Demacia one is really interesting in the fact that it complicates Demacia and Noxus rather than generic "good vs bad"
On the topic of J Team, and the LMS squads in general, they have a history of taking games off LPL teams. They take a few wins at rift rivals quite frequently. J Team has done better vs international competition than other LMS teams on a few occasions but can't seem to win the regional title.
There is no way Riot lets people know the dragon order in pick/ban. They would be afraid that it gives yet another factor to encourage queuedodging, or makes pro pick/ban too predictable with both teams going for the same early/late game focus. They will actually want to promote more early game focussed compositions that can fight for drakes and have action all game. The interesting part is that sometimes teams will want to only defend the drake rather than actually take it, to preserve the terrain if it's favourable to them. They won't be able to simply surrender a drake to the enemy anymore. Riot probably think that a new meta will form from this hyperaggressive baseline, with aggro-stopper compositions as a direct counter and lategame scaling compositions to respond to those, completing the rock-paper-scissor.
Wait loco actually saw the teaser? When he reacted to it in his video, he closed his eyes and danced like an idiot. Also shit on riot for donating to charity.
Uploaded too late. Had to watch the twitch vod. The content is relevant to the next days games like how they talked about splyce and getting out of the group.
Wanted to know more about the monetization aspect on how the ips can continue for a longer period instead of a dip like TF. Maximilian commented on the fgc aspect and I wonder about the rest. How can Riot go from one f2p to another ip and all that jazz. Too bad Loco quit too soon to even understand it all otherwise we had a proper convo with the experts.
And yes, I know he has a literary background, but like jesus fuck half of good shit was fixed crap. Hell, look at what Tolkien had to do to turn The Hobbit's world into the world of Lord of the Rings.
Agree, even my die hard wow friends already unsubbed from clsssic. And to montes point "who are these games for". They are for players like me and my friends who love league/counterstrike who need a new game thats not total shit. People are sick of fortnite and dont like blizzard. If riot makes these games right and keeps them f2p while not p2w they will dominate the game scene.
Man,idk if its just me or if anyone else feels it but its mad awkward having Loco sitting on the end of the couch whenever Monte and Thorin get rolling on a topic like at the start of the video where they talked about Project A or whatever dumb shit Riot named their crappy FPS. I think having Thorin in the middle comes from his usual spot as the host on his shows on YT but I think having Loco in the middle between 2 outgoing personalities would make him feel more included (From the viewers POV at least) and he wouldnt have to sit on the edge raising his hand to make a point (But that may be his personality so idk). Monte and Thorin have had years of experience and have found their true selves so they can do and say whatever they want confidently whereas Loco,imo at least,is still growing into whatever he'll become.
yeah they literally just complain about riot balance/lore/formats and shit on all the world's players except lck the entire time. sick and fresh 2014 take, bros.
23:20 Dota wasn't big? Ofc it wasn't as big as Fortnite was 1 year ago. But guess what? It was fucking 15 years ago. Esports and computer gaming back then was tiny compared to today. What a shitty argument to say when you got no argument. The only reason LoL was created is because Dota was big. And yeah people were always transferring betwen games in the same genre Dota -> Hon -> Lol. Nice way to try to make invalid argument and sound smart about it
I like how no one mentioned Rainbow Six: Siege in relation to Project A. If you know anything about shooters you'd know that is what they are targeting. The audience in between Apex: Legends, Fortnite, Rainbow Six and CS:GO. Clearly more research has to be done, before commenting on Project A.
Can someone get Thoorin of the set? He is just embarrasing himself. Being the ”alpha bully” is not really a good look for anyone. Especially if you have a sub-par analysis.
I don't think the quality of Riot's games needs to be as good as or better than the games already on the market. Riot are businessmen first and game developer second. They will take their product and make backroom deals, use their market position as leverage and slit their competitors throats. LoL was not superior to all the other DOTA clones at the time, but the Riot business team secured slots on the esports circuit and out-promoted other titles. Of course they soon abandoned organisers like MLG, IEM, ESL, Dreamhack after capturing their audience. I think Riot are confident they can follow in the footsteps of other inferior products that achieved market dominance through superior promotion and business strategy
Wait none of these 3 were invited to the 10 year anniversary ?? That's actually such bullshit and bm by Riot. I've got my gripes with all 3 but they all definitely have done a shit ton for league and deserve to be invited.
Im mad Riot is trying to just copy other popular games FPS, Fighting, Autochess, Hearthstone, instead of a classic mode. I just want to play Season 2 again when the game was fun. Now there is too much nonsense. As said in the episode Riot just wants to force their will onto players with how to play and there are tons of jokes about how the design team is more worried about overdesign and complex features than balance
The dragon changes and jungle changes are terrible for the overall state of LoL. RNG is okay but when to much RNG is in one Game players will get tired of not knowing possible out comes threw out a game. Scary times for LoL even scarier times for Franchise owners.
@@itorres008 I didn't like when they are mocking the lore of lol. Maybe they don't care but lots of people like that. You can spot bad points, they are expert in this domain but mocking they don't give attention, don't understand the point... But besides this part the discussion is interesting anyway...
Timestamps:
0:00 - Riot Games puts the S in Games
16:05 - Project A (FPS)
23:36 - Project L (Fighting Game)
25:29 - Legends of Runeterra (Card Game)
43:26 - Froggen Comes in to talk current Worlds Groups results
1:15:20 - New Groups predictions
2:14:35 - Click Debate presented by PUMA
2:21:42 - JUUUUUUUUUUUKES
2:22:02 - Discord Call-in (discord.gg/cloud9)
FINALLY
wow, we can afford timestamps now? fancy
can we get timestamps of each time someone gets flamed, and a monty laugh track plz.
:O
Wtf? #NotMySummoningInSight
Never thought we would get time stamps lol
"ha-ha, HAHAHA, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-hehe-ehe-ehehe"
-montecristo
10/10 insights
Heres a game take a shot for every monte fake laugh while trying to figure out his true laugh, try not to die 😊
Time stamp?
@@glcsander I don't know man, his laugh seems real to me.
its like SNL's prince charming
@@frederickbarbarossa7961 Cant see why he would fake laugh in thoese situations doubt its fake tbh. He doesnt seem like someone who is fake like that.
I can feel the sexual tension between Froggen and Thoorin
Froggen is so precise on his analysis and his way of explaining things ! loved this episode !!!!!
I’m a proud customer of at&t for good stuff like this for cloud 9 thanks at&t for this show
Same.
I was on hold once for AT&T customer support for over an hour. They transferred me around in a circle. They are one of two companies whose services I sworn I'd never to use again. I hope my enjoyment of this show isn't breaking this sacred oath.
@@F0rtysxity Same.
Beep boop
Byron Brown #im14andimpoliticallyaware
44:01 wtf is wrong with loco’s legs
symboling he's a splyce fan
@@aloneaflame9343 💀
no balls between them thats why he can do this move
OMG Thoorin is murdering bjergsen just in 1 minute and a half
High production show and Thorin styling with sweat pants. Respect.
To be fair he wears them well...
I'm not the biggest fan of froggen, but respect his journey to where he is today, I really enjoyed his insight on picks he's watching and favors for mid lane atm.
I think you guys are severely underestimating the interest of League players in other games. A lot of people aren’t happy with Hearthstone, these companies by no means have “a corner” on their markets
In my mind, the fear for riot (or any online card game) is now having to complete with magic the gathering. Mtg finally got a great online platform and that card game is so much better than every other card game plus mtg has the 25 years of history and ground work.
@@thunderbolt1213984 they make these games to make money. If league wantes go branch out they would make an RTS but they cant monitize that easily so they wont
Everyone said the same with Artifact. Dont get your hopes up.
@@ZimzamsXD Artifact made some really stupid decisions which people saw as a problem from a mile away.
Hearthstone will forever be better then legends of runeterra. Artifact failed and this will too copying valve doesn't anyways mean success
At 2:10:05 Loco says it's important that TL get first in their group.
I agree with him, that they can't beat G2 and SKT, but seeing how FPX has played this tournament, I think TL will 3-0 FPX
White balance on the camera is way off
Damnn thoorin the prophet
Really like how loco matured and take the jabs with a smile now
11:43 lmao senna taught lucian how to fart xDD
Love it Cloud9 ! Summoning Insight is back
Loved it when Thorin called out Locodoco every time for his bullshit.
1:34:09 C9 talk
15:48 Illegal Engines sounds like a fun free to play MOBA.
I feel like i'm watching two grumpy old men and one excited pretty normal guy :P
Ive waited years for this to come back again HYPE!
Get this censored bs out of here, get me the flaming thorin and monte back on the line.
I'd prefer a more unfiltered setting over this any day. But fact of the matter seems to be that it's thanks to sponsors bankrolling this show that these episodes even exist. Let's not act as if Montes, Thorins and (to some extent) Locos time doesn't have any value. So I'll take it.
Dude, just be glad that this show is back again. Go watch oversight for the unfiltered moments.
Boomers and skinny Asian man debate wizard lore. Fantastic, enjoy my like.
What's a boomer?
Know your meme bro. Boomer is a generation, like millennials and genZ.
@@TyTy_1198 I hate being from a generation that answers a genuine question with "know your meme bro" :(
Neither one of them are boomers though...
considering a boomer is 60.. your off by a few years. Millenials are hitting 40 now, wonder where you fit in
Rekkles watched this and came back week 2 to prove Thoorin wrong lol.
12:05 does thorin have some sort of tick where he has to move his shoulders?
POGGEN
anyone else just really like listening to froggen talk?
Congrats Cloud9! This show made me subscribe to your channel.
Whose working on the rek roll meme?
anyone know the track around 2:13:00 ?
funk
Its in the description, 'Rollin Rollout' by a fella called 'Skence'. Its library music (i.e., stuff that can be licensed for TV plays) but he's a french hip hop producer, I believe it's also released commercially as well. Ah yes, Skence, album is called 'Exotica'.
Cheers. :)
59:50, damn that fast head roll. Thoorin should have been a boxer in the universe where he works out.
I don't think the Senna and Lucian lore was too good personally, but I think the Demacia one is really interesting in the fact that it complicates Demacia and Noxus rather than generic "good vs bad"
Best podcast Eu/Na
Loco looking like his grandma just took him to jc penny for back to school clothes.
Loco explaining Senna's lore was one of the longest minutes of my life I had to go through.
some1 finally saying that LoL lore is just crap warms my heart. The fact it's monte is just cherry on top
He have said that for years.
@@argantyr5154 i believe that
Damn the mikyx madlife comparison aged like milk with how bad his blitz looked.
Thx Mr. AT&T
On the topic of J Team, and the LMS squads in general, they have a history of taking games off LPL teams. They take a few wins at rift rivals quite frequently. J Team has done better vs international competition than other LMS teams on a few occasions but can't seem to win the regional title.
There is no way Riot lets people know the dragon order in pick/ban. They would be afraid that it gives yet another factor to encourage queuedodging, or makes pro pick/ban too predictable with both teams going for the same early/late game focus.
They will actually want to promote more early game focussed compositions that can fight for drakes and have action all game. The interesting part is that sometimes teams will want to only defend the drake rather than actually take it, to preserve the terrain if it's favourable to them. They won't be able to simply surrender a drake to the enemy anymore. Riot probably think that a new meta will form from this hyperaggressive baseline, with aggro-stopper compositions as a direct counter and lategame scaling compositions to respond to those, completing the rock-paper-scissor.
Frogen is a prophet.
Spy did it. Im proud of Csacsi.
all riot needs now is
- a lol battle royale
- a lol open world game
And a true RTS game.
thorin throwin shots at bjerg lmao
Wait loco actually saw the teaser? When he reacted to it in his video, he closed his eyes and danced like an idiot. Also shit on riot for donating to charity.
I played Brand-Kaisa into Garen-Yuumi and we just smashed them. You have to bring a lot of damage to affect his HP bar.
Uploaded too late. Had to watch the twitch vod. The content is relevant to the next days games like how they talked about splyce and getting out of the group.
They uploaded this videos on another youtube channel days ago. What are u talking about
I still haven't gotten around to watching these. My mind refused to accept production value.
There’s absolutely a discussion between Deft and Uzi. I’d even add Pray in that convo as well.
Riot said that the first 3 dragons are gonna be all different next season so you can''t actually get 3 infernals anymore.
Wrong they also said that drake 3 to 5 are all the same
The Lux point was good. Froggen still had it. So bad It's a 2v5 show
Veynnn explain the teams plz??
There’s such a disconnect with videos shown on screen then when our hosts are speaking. Hopefully it gets better.
I need more of thooorin screwing with loco XD
Puma Loco activated
Shout out to Monte Cristo playing l5r. We need you to announce world's!
Wanted to know more about the monetization aspect on how the ips can continue for a longer period instead of a dip like TF. Maximilian commented on the fgc aspect and I wonder about the rest. How can Riot go from one f2p to another ip and all that jazz. Too bad Loco quit too soon to even understand it all otherwise we had a proper convo with the experts.
Time traveller's wife, ma boi Thorin
56:00
Is Monte working for Cloud 9 now?
Overwatch off season.
wtf is up with loco'S legs? I feel bad for his balls 43:43
Legends of Runeterra is gonna skin the shit out of everything. Easy money.
Skins, Playmats, Pets, Probably alternate voices. You Name it. riot motto shit, non-gamechanging things that fans love!
@monte Unreal Engine is FREE
Can we please have more loco explaining law to monte and thorin
This video didnt show up, even when i looked for it at your channel, strange
More bushes for more teemos more rengar and more shacos
C9 Curse in full force on Griffin right now
Wait what? SI is back? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME?! D:
Monty aint written much then; starting with crap is a good framework. And retcons are good, it fixed gabage lore like warcrafts.
And yes, I know he has a literary background, but like jesus fuck half of good shit was fixed crap. Hell, look at what Tolkien had to do to turn The Hobbit's world into the world of Lord of the Rings.
Retcons are bad and warcraft lore is still bad youre just low iq
Blizzard doesn't have a corner on anyone anymore lmao
Agree, even my die hard wow friends already unsubbed from clsssic. And to montes point "who are these games for". They are for players like me and my friends who love league/counterstrike who need a new game thats not total shit. People are sick of fortnite and dont like blizzard. If riot makes these games right and keeps them f2p while not p2w they will dominate the game scene.
I'm here waiting for Froggen to file sexual harassment charges against Thorin. Annnnny day now...
Froggen!!!
I think most Ex League players who are still interested in gaming (which is a huge pool) are going to at least try some of the games
Thorin's shoulder tick really starts to show, damn
Man,idk if its just me or if anyone else feels it but its mad awkward having Loco sitting on the end of the couch whenever Monte and Thorin get rolling on a topic like at the start of the video where they talked about Project A or whatever dumb shit Riot named their crappy FPS. I think having Thorin in the middle comes from his usual spot as the host on his shows on YT but I think having Loco in the middle between 2 outgoing personalities would make him feel more included (From the viewers POV at least) and he wouldnt have to sit on the edge raising his hand to make a point (But that may be his personality so idk). Monte and Thorin have had years of experience and have found their true selves so they can do and say whatever they want confidently whereas Loco,imo at least,is still growing into whatever he'll become.
Loco : i think splyce is bad
me : oh no no PepeLaugh
getting out of a second play-in bracket doesn't mean they are good
Lol this show is basically listening to old ppl complain about things they don't understand and its pretty funny
yeah they literally just complain about riot balance/lore/formats and shit on all the world's players except lck the entire time. sick and fresh 2014 take, bros.
Lmao go easy on the boomers
Monte and throrin are op together and loco good fanboy
Can we get Froggen on C9 and the Deftly in for Sneaky. Cool.
So far I’ve predicted all groups correctly. Thorin you should’ve not switched on g2 and griffin.
2:25:30 the way Monte said Flex reminded me of Phil Swift
I would appreciate if Monte wouldn't laugh extremely loud over everything Thorin says, so i can actually hear his points :)
That was not a 50/50 Baron for C9 they had 4 people bot Baron was free?
2:11:56 fanboy spotted
Wait ... MONTE COMING BACK FOR PROJECT A ESPORTS!?!?!?!
I hope not
I fuckin miss Monte
finally they removed ultra boost from Thorin lol
23:20 Dota wasn't big? Ofc it wasn't as big as Fortnite was 1 year ago. But guess what? It was fucking 15 years ago. Esports and computer gaming back then was tiny compared to today. What a shitty argument to say when you got no argument. The only reason LoL was created is because Dota was big. And yeah people were always transferring betwen games in the same genre Dota -> Hon -> Lol. Nice way to try to make invalid argument and sound smart about it
I like how no one mentioned Rainbow Six: Siege in relation to Project A. If you know anything about shooters you'd know that is what they are targeting. The audience in between Apex: Legends, Fortnite, Rainbow Six and CS:GO. Clearly more research has to be done, before commenting on Project A.
Can someone get Thoorin of the set? He is just embarrasing himself. Being the ”alpha bully” is not really a good look for anyone.
Especially if you have a sub-par analysis.
I don't think the quality of Riot's games needs to be as good as or better than the games already on the market. Riot are businessmen first and game developer second. They will take their product and make backroom deals, use their market position as leverage and slit their competitors throats.
LoL was not superior to all the other DOTA clones at the time, but the Riot business team secured slots on the esports circuit and out-promoted other titles. Of course they soon abandoned organisers like MLG, IEM, ESL, Dreamhack after capturing their audience.
I think Riot are confident they can follow in the footsteps of other inferior products that achieved market dominance through superior promotion and business strategy
Looking at Thorin at these "Summoning Insights" gives me an impression that it's a matter of time when Thorin just ragequits this show : D
im out here wondering why this isnt monetized
Wait none of these 3 were invited to the 10 year anniversary ?? That's actually such bullshit and bm by Riot. I've got my gripes with all 3 but they all definitely have done a shit ton for league and deserve to be invited.
Im mad Riot is trying to just copy other popular games FPS, Fighting, Autochess, Hearthstone, instead of a classic mode. I just want to play Season 2 again when the game was fun. Now there is too much nonsense. As said in the episode Riot just wants to force their will onto players with how to play and there are tons of jokes about how the design team is more worried about overdesign and complex features than balance
Great
The dragon changes and jungle changes are terrible for the overall state of LoL. RNG is okay but when to much RNG is in one Game players will get tired of not knowing possible out comes threw out a game. Scary times for LoL even scarier times for Franchise owners.
Why is monty and thorin doing this show? it seems they hate everything about riot and leagues
You can be critical of what you love
So if you like something, you should never ever criticize it? Just a fantastic point you have there, you are a genius!
Yeah, they are not "criticizing", They are being cynical, dismissive, condescending, mocking. There's no sign of love anywhere.
@@itorres008 ever heard of comedy?
@@itorres008 I didn't like when they are mocking the lore of lol. Maybe they don't care but lots of people like that. You can spot bad points, they are expert in this domain but mocking they don't give attention, don't understand the point... But besides this part the discussion is interesting anyway...
can you never have Thorin on here again? kthx
You do understand the Summoning Insight is Thorin and Monte's show, right? You must be really new to the scene...
Monte so salty
Invite LS :D