Odd Fellows Cemetery In Santa Fe Is Trashed!
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- This cemetery is located in Santa Fe, New Mexico next to the Fairview Cemetery on Cerrillos Road. It is in desperate need of a clean up as it is completely neglected and trashed.
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very interesting, but very sad to see any cemetery that is no longer maintained . However they are all interesting part of our history.
Yes they are Ron. It wouldn't take much to fix this one up. It would be a lot easier than they are elsewhere.
Independent Order of Odd Fellows (I.O.O.F) is one of the Oldest Fraternities in America, they are considered to be the Poor Man's Fraternity, they originated from England, establish themselves along with Freemasons of America. The I.0.0.F do not affiliate themselves as Freemason though they share a lot in common. One thing that they were heavily involved with back in the late 1800s to early 1900s were Burials and Cemeteries. The Odd Fellows just like the Masons are both Protestant, hundreds of small towns through America would have a Church and Cemetery near by. Most of the Original Odd Fellows and Freemason were owners of the majoriy of the Protestant Cemeteries, as time went by they died out and along with the care of these Historic Cemeteries.
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I guess that's exactly what happened with this cemetery. It looks like this chapter is still active but maybe smaller and funds limited? I'm not sure. I had no idea what the cemetery was nor the building I was by until I was researching it tonight. I sure hope that something can be done to change the shape of the cemetery. I think that granite/countertop company should probably pitch in as well.
RhettyforFun It would be great if someone can restore these Old Forgotten Cemeteries.
This area is probably similar to a lot you see. They don't have to have green grass or mow but they sure don't need all the trash and mixed up markers. Seems like people are just lost in this one unless that IOOF has some cemetery records or something.
@@RhettyforHistory My discoveries I found out that most IOOF's are no longer active, records of the deceased and burials markings were lost on a national level.
Only way to fully restore this Cemetery oand Others would be to get a Special Archeological Team. That team would investigate, pull up records, used Special Equipment to read underground corpses and restore all Tomstones. The Cost could be in the thousands, something that the current IOOF doesn't have. The only other option is the State or City takes over as ownership of these Forgotten Cemetries and implies these steps in mentioned. So far, the only ones that are retreaving Old Cemeyeries are the Mormons, evreyone else like the Masons and Odd Fellows are not being supported.
God bless you for taking care of our history and forgotten loved ones.
I'm try a little bit at a time. I sent an email and this video to the historical society of New Mexico. Hopefully that and maybe a few others emailing them will make a difference.
Hi Rhetty, I was so curious about the history and such of this cemetery and after reading the comments from Socal Urbex on the history. I went to findagrave and put in the first name on the headstone you read. Harry Wiley died 1947. He has a nice story about him. He worked at age 9 by helping drive 100 cattle, and he drove ore wagons from the familys copper mine. Also was a butcher, Him and his cousin raised horses for the calvery. "Rough Riders" was the name given to the First U.S. Volunteer Cavalry under the leadership of Theodore Roosevelt. He was a rough rider and then after that owened some bars untill his death. I know you like history thought I would share this. I left out a lot of details but interesting little story. He is burried in his uncles family plot last name of Uncle is Arnold.
Wow! Sounds like he did a lot! He really worked hard at a young age. That was interesting. Thanks for looking that up and sharing!
@@RhettyforHistory The ARNOLD plot was one of the first ones you photographed in this video! Great research, Joys and Rhetty!
There is a lot of history in this cemetery and it looks like the newest video I did here combined with viewers contacting people sparked a plan for a cleanup. I'm happy to see that happening and hope to return to see it.
So sad to see such neglect! :(
Mary Lou They deserve better
Yes it is sad. I'm hoping this video might bring some attention to it. Maybe that granite/counter company will pick up the pieces they have over there and help assist in other areas.
This is amazing! When I lived in Georgia I remember finding abandoned graveyards in the woods. They were so haunting.
Thank you 😊
Sooo strange people would dump trash there tho 🤔
This one is on an extremely busy road, next to a well maintained cemetery and behind what I think is still an active Odd Fellows building.
Yes it's sad people would dump trash there.
This is just heartbreaking to see a cemetery so forgotten, each and every grave giving evidence of someone with his or her own story unremembered. When I see you exploring these old lonely cemeteries I half expect a shadow or ghost to pop up and startle you!! I love old cemeteries and love the videos you research and do for us...thank you~ Waving to you from Michigan P.S. In the Santa Fe, New Mexico area....ground squirrels are a pest they try to control, but according to what I found their holes are everywhere in that area~
Are ground squirrels the same thing as prairie dogs? The holes looked a little smaller and I've never heard of them. That's interesting though. Thanks for watching from Michigan.
I have an update video coming out on this cemetery later today. Sadly the marble company is still dumping scraps in the cemetery. I sure wish they would clean it up.
Very sad to see these graves neglected. I'm glad you were able to document this site, maybe it will get the community interested in preserving it before it's lost. I looked up a few of the names you pointed out hoping they would lead to more information about the site, but wasn't able to find all that much. Although, for Horace S. Yeomans, whose headstone appears at 11:15, I found a brief mention on him in the June 16, 1880 edition of The Pall Mall Gazette (a London newspaper!). It reads: "Yeomans, Horace S., son of the late Mr. James of Oak Hall, Wanstead, [died] at Santa Fe, New Mexico, Aged 38, April 16th." Sorry for being so wordy :) Safe travels out there, my friend!
That's interesting that they mentioned him in a London newspaper. All I can think of when I hear Pall Mall is the old cigarettes I used to see people smoke when I was a kid. I don't know if those are still on the market. It seems like if people do smoke now it's Marboro. Paul Mall must have been an actual person? Thanks for looking that up and sharing what you found. I hope that this does reach someone in the area that decides to make a difference. I really don't think it would take much. Thanks for watching my friend.
@@RhettyforHistory Funny you mention Pall-Malls, they were my grandmother's brand of choice - I can still see that famous red pack! The name refers to an area in the City of London. How it came to be named that, I don't know. As for the cemetery, it takes a community effort to get them back on their feet. Most people who live in Santa Fe probably don't even realize the cemetery exists, so the more coverage it gets the better.
I did not know that about Pall Mall. I think my grandmother did Virginia Slims and my grandfather was Camel or Lucky. My mom was True Menthol until she stopped thankfully in 1986. You're right about the community getting involved. I wonder how many have even noticed it. It is on a super busy road but is located next to a well maintained cemetery. Many people may just think it's a business back lot. I would love to see the countertop/granite company pick up their pieces they have been dumping in there.
What an interesting cemetery...... but very sad to be forgotten. I always try to imagine what it looked like there exactly where you are walking when those people were laid to rest back in the 1800’s. They had people who cared but over time it gets forgotten. Relatives move on. Thanks for another great video!
Yes I agree it is very sad. It's changed a lot since those people have passed. The odds are there are descendants or distant relatives somewhere in the area. That cemetery could certainly use some help. I think it starts with keeping that granite/counter company from tossing over scraps in the cemetery.
RhettyforFun I agree I think they are throwing scraps over.
I'm positive they are. If they aren't then it is someone that is working for them and you can't miss that huge pile behind the trash can. It's a shame there is such a disrespect for the cemetery.
Forgotten graves, cemetaries change hands numerous times, and families move in...
I would not like to be buried there. Yucko!
yet again dear Rhetty...you scratching up n highlighting compelling history...much appreciation...
Thank you Jessica. I'm still trying to get the city of Santa Fe to something about the litter in the cemetery. Specifically from the counter company next to it.
A neglected cemetery is very unfortunate, it’s overgrown and unwanted, what a shame.
P.S. It took me a while to watch this, Rhetty, I’ve been busy lately
It's always sad to see cemeteries in this shape. You're fine. I know you're in school and busy! I'll have a lot for you to watch by the time you get out for summer break. Thanks for watching!
I love your videos. Excellent. Your narratives are great too. I feel like im right there with you.
Thank Beth. It's always great to have you come along on the adventures.
Hi Rhetty! I LOVE your videos! The situation here makes me SO mad! Absolutely no respect for those buried there. I always think what if. What if those who desecrated the cemetery had family members buried there. How would they feel walking through to pay their respects seeing trash everywhere? It's disgusting! Shame on those who did all that! It would be wonderful if people who feel as we do could drop a line to anyone who could help with a clean up and continued maintenance. Thank you SO MUCH for bringing light to this cemetery. I hope sooner rather than later all the wrongs can be made right! Have a very blessed weekend and please keep your wonderful video's coming!
Thank you Lola. I'm hoping that if more people contact these emails then maybe they might do something about it. Really I think that counter top company owes a cleanup. But it wouldn't do us any good to clean it up if they are just going to dump more in there. There needs to be a fine if someone does that plus community service in a cemetery.
RhettyforFun YVW! I couldn’t agree more! Anyone who has, is presently using this cemetery as a trash dump, needs to pay a stiff fine. It’s only when someone gets stung hard in their wallet, will they stop. They also need to have their name, picture publicly published for everyone to see. The whole situation is really sad. No morals or ethics. 😖
Yes you're right on all that!
@@Lola.2248 Sadly the cemetery is in the same shape and the marble company next door continues to dump their scraps in the cemetery. I will have an update video out later today.
Sad to see them so neglected, thanks for sharing!
Yes it is. Thanks for watching Tabby.
Your the BEST. Really enjoy your work. Glad i found your channel
I'm glad you found my channel as well! I appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Wow, that was truly depressing to look at, that is not a cemetery that is a run down, neglected junk yard. I have never seen anything like it. What a horrible place to spend eternity, if these poor souls could get up and leave, I bet they would. Thanks for sharing Rhetty.
I wish I could have made a difference in this cemetery but I really couldn't. If you read down thru the comments you can see where not only I tried but others did too even as far away as Australia. I contacted the city in multiple offices, the odd fellows, cemetery next door, historical groups, the state, the news outlets on radio and television and even some politicians. Unfortunately it was to no avail. What needs to happen is the business next door needs to be fined for littering their marble scraps in the cemetery and made to pick them up. That would be a start. Thank you for watching.
@@RhettyforHistory of course it’s not your fault Rhetty. I was just saying how disgraceful that is for a cemetery and absolutely the business next door should be fined. You actually went to a lot of trouble, I am very surprised, that all of that contact was to no avail. Seems like they all want to pass the buck to someone else.
I'm not sure what the deal is. Usually I can get something done but this is the one time where I couldn't. I have never contacted this many people or places over one cemetery before. The viewer participation seemed hight as well. The city of Santa Fe just doesn't seem to care about this poor cemetery.
@@RhettyforHistory it’s very sad, and it’s strange that the city doesn’t seem to care, that this cemetery is an absolute eye sore. I think someone was buried there in 1993, wonder what it was like then. I can only imagine what the families are feeling. By the way Rhetty, I sent you a reply a few days ago, don’t know if you saw it. You asked me a question about Wangaratta.
I feel sorry for some of those recent burials. I could tell they had family that still cared but it has to be worrisome to see that happening to the cemetery.
Very sad to see. Great video as always. Thank you Rhetty.
Thank you Tangi! It is sad.
Hey Rhetty, thanks for sharing this video. Love seeing those kinds of videos. What a shame, that it looks for neglected and forgotten. Keep up the great work. Did you get my last message I send ?
It is a shame this cemetery is in this shape. It feels like it's being trashed on by everyone. I think I got your last message let me check.
Thanks Rhetty for another great vlog and it's a shame in how people act too, leaving trash in a cemetery. Not for sure if Santa Fe would send a crew out to clean up the cemetery or not.
Looking forward to your next vlog!
Thanks Les. It's a historic cemetery. It looks to be older than the Fairview one next door and it is in State Register of Historic Places as well as the National Register. But there is a separate committee that was formed to take care of it. I would bet that it's going to take every day people doing something about it. Hawaii is the only state I have seen that does something on cemeteries. There might be others but I haven't seen them. I really think that granite/counter company owes a clean up.
@@RhettyforHistory Oh I totally agree, that granite/counter company owes a big clean up and I would almost bet you, if some people contacted Santa Fe city hall about the mess, that it would get cleaned up and the city would oversee the clean up.
I'm going to try and do some digging around online and see if something might be done about getting the cemetery cleaned up, that mess is totally uncalled for.
You can let me know what you think!
Yeah I think it would make a huge difference if the city knew about it. I'm not sure how the Odd Fellows don't realize it either since their building is right there.
Sadly many of us have tried to send messages to numerous people in Santa Fe and NM with no results. The marble company next door continues to dump their scraps. I'll have an update video from here later today.
Wow man severely neglected cemetery so sad it's been forgotten about
Yes it is Rob. It wouldn't take much to make a difference there.
So sad! Glad that your reaching out.
It is sad.
Sad, just forgotten. Hopefully the souls are in heaven.
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A foot of snow in March? Wow! That seems a little unusual for this time of year. Are you in the mountain part?
@@RhettyforHistory I'm on the Cheasapeak not far from the Concord Point lighthouse in Maryland. It's crazy weather here. Today I didn't wear a jacket just a sweater. Take care!
That does seem like some crazy weather for the area.
@@RhettyforHistory Maybe the chem trails or gov. has something to do with it? We go from cold days, to warm, then the next day it's cold agin. Yup, it's strange. Take care my friend.
Sounds like Ontario Canada😁
As I’m watching this I’m thinking of that old poem “Bury me not the lone prairie “ cool explore buddy. I wonder how many hundreds of these types cemeteries are across the country..
I don't think I've read that poem. I'll have to Google it. I'm sure there are more of these than we will ever know. Thanks for watching TJ.
I'm native new zealander I found this so sad my cemetery is tribal and its upkeep are from surviving family members but we had a row of graves names none knew a meeting was held and everyone came to help clean and paint the graves it is believed that the families had moved to other areas those graves stand out to this day I believe the occupants are happy they are remembered just like the people who are being remembered by you well done
It's sad to see this cemetery like this. It could be mowed but is not exactly necessary as not a lot of grass grows here. It's sort of the natural environment that is in this are. My issue comes with the trash and for sure the scraps from the marble company next door. It's especially bothersome knowing that this is in a highly populated area. Thank you for watching.
Some older cemetery had separate section for people who committed suicide and unknown people
That's true and even sections where they did other crimes or were black. This cemetery was none of those as far as I'm aware.
I believe some of those temporary markers with the little signs on them or for poor people that didn't have any money for a headstone like those in many of The Potter's fields. I used to manage the cemetery records for a small town and learned some things about cemeteries during that time.
Thankyou so much always enjoy 😚😚
Thank you Mary!
Hey rhetty aka "the man with a beard as good as rhetts from rhett and link explores old abandond places" nice vid
Thank you Cralfer! I appreciate you watching!
So sad to see a cemetery just forgotten it seems. The ones that have passed deserve respect no matter how long they have been gone
I agree Amanda, it is sad.
Loved this ty..I really enjoyed this
You're welcome and thank you for watching.
Even stone markers aren't 'forever'. Nature reclaiming and people dumping trash, it's a pity.
Yes it's quite sad. Meanwhile the cemetery right next door is nothing like that.
Sadly after many of us have contacted numerous people in Santa Fe and NM there is no progress. The marble company is still dumping scraps in the cemetery. I will have an update video out later today.
then three churches at that time for such a small population base...baptist christian and methodist denominations...go Rhetty go with this info...many thanks for u committed diligence to these subjects...
Heartbreaking to see so many resting places damaged, overgrown & forgotten.
Yes it is. The overgrown part is somewhat normal for New Mexico but the damage extreme trash is not. Especially the counter scraps from the company next door. Those shouldn't be thrown in the cemetery.
I hope this never happens to me. Always fun to see your latest vlog.
Thank you Nadia. I hope it never does as well.
Hey, I have a knife just like that. For the record, I still have mine.... It's a shame that's so neglected, especially since it was used not terribly long ago with a new grave in the 90s.
Yeah I was shocked to see a grave from 2009 in there. It's strange. Looked like a decent knife. I don't know if it was marking a grave or not.
Thank you for sharing..
You're welcome and thank you for watching.
What a shame no one takes care of this old cemetary. Very interesting to learn the dates of the graves
It is certainly sad to see. Some viewers and myself tried to get something done on this one but it was to no avail.
Shame this cemetery isnt cared for. Lots of history. Thank you
Yes it is. It does have some interesting history in it. Thanks for watching!
No cemetery should ever be allowed to fall apart to this point! This is so sad for those who are interred here. The stones placed there to commemorate them are left in pieces or buried in mud. So heart breaking.
I agree. I tried as well as some viewers have tried to contact the city to make a difference but it has been unsuccessful.
Really sad that this one has seemingly been forgotten and used for trash disposal. Seems to be a great place for the tile business to dump in....:( Thanks for the video. Mike & Connie...
Yeah it's sad. I'm still working on trying to get it sorted out and cleaned up. It's kind of difficult at a distance away.
Oh there's a dump there, odd next to a cemetery not nice for people visiting their relatives graves.
No it isn't. I wondered how often people even visit. I'm sure there are quite a few people that have relatives there and yet have no idea they do.
You are in one of my favorite cities in the USA!!! Sante Fe has so much history. The market at the Governor’s Palace, a Native American school for deaf (I believe) and the church off Route 66 as well as many beautiful, interesting people and places. Definitely a fave! Plus there r so many historic things to see on I-40 on the way to Albuquerque. You can also head toward Taos as well. Plenty of history. Gl and have fun!!!!! Ty ty ty. Omg I have to take a road trip!👏🏻🙌🏻❤️ safe travels.
I'm not sure this may have been exactly where you are talking about? To the east there was a school for the dead and to the west there was an indian school. It was all walking distance from this cemetery. They were really big and nice. There is a lot of old history in this city that is also full of art. I have always loved the houses and styles of architecture there. Thanks for watching!
RhettyforFun I think it’s off of Cerrillos Road toward the Governor’s Palce but maybe not remembering correctly. And I’m sure you’re right about the school etc. hope you guys have a great visit. It really is an amazing area to visit. Gl.
That is the road that this is on but I'm not sure where that Governor's place is at. You're right about it being a great area to visit.
RhettyforFun oops my bad. It’s Palace of the Governors and the address is 105 w palace ave. 85701
Oh ok. I still missed that. I'd have to Google map it to see where it was.
There is another neglected Odd Fellows cemetery in Clarendon, Texas
That's interesting. I suppose there could be a lot of these since their numbers are declining. How sad.
I watched your update video first so iam backwards but point being it's just so disgusting and disappointing that not even the state can give two shakes to try and improve this part of the past .You never disrespect the dead ,and this is just appaling. Thank you for sharing the company name that uses this hallowed ground for their trash dump I hope enough ppl will raise awareness of their disrespect. Shared
I hope so too. I'm also hoping that with more of us on the channel and a few different people in the positions that maybe they might listen this time. I really feel this is unacceptable and I think we could hear some excuses if things start moving. It should never sit this long like this. Thank you for both of the videos.
There needs to be an initiative to get teens off the streets and cleaning up cemeteries.
Like the Conservation Corps.
That would be a great thing to have happen. Thank you for watching!
Sam Ketchum - brother of Thomas "Black Jack" Ketchum - is buried in that cemetery. The two brothers founded the Ketchum Gang and were notorious outlaws. The I.O.O.F. provided a burial plot for Sam after he died in prison in Santa Fe.
I had no idea if anyone was in there that was famous or infamous. I had no idea what cemetery I was in until I got home and started researching. I'm bummed that I missed him. I'll definitely be going back some time. There is a lot more I'd like to cover.
There is a geocache in that cemetery that is near his grave. That is the reason I knew he was buried there. If you want the coordinates just let me know.
I wish I had known. I would have loved to do a story on him. I just had no idea what cemetery it was at the time. I also didn't know there was an IOOF building there or I might have figured it out.
Thanks for telling me about that outlaw. I went back to see him and also to check and see if the condition of the cemetery has improved. Sadly it has not. I will have an update video out later today.
The 'mole/groundhog' holes are from prairie dogs. There was actually a problem with prairie dogs digging up body parts in Fairview! Really interesting, I know they renovated Fairview to prevent that from happening but I doubt they did that here too.
I could see a wall in Fairview and was guessing that it was for that. It certainly didn't get rid of them though. They're still in Fairview.
I can understand the prairie dogs but not the scraps of counters being dumped on the grounds from the company next door. I will have an update video out later today.
Interesting video. Did you give any thought to asking any of the local residents if they knew anything about this cemetery? Curious about old funeral home markers. I don't think there were any funeral homes in the late 1800's. Funeral homes seem to have sprung up from the 1930's onward. I remember my late mother telling me that when her mother died in 1925, the wake was in her house in the living room and there was no embalming. I have also heard other older people mention the custom of wakes in the family home.
I contacted the cemetery next door, the city, county, state, local and state politicians, the odd fellows, Santa Fe and New Mexico historical groups as well as radio and TV networks in hopes that we could shed light on this cemetery. Not only I did this but if you read down thru the comments so did a lot of viewers but it was to no avail. So sad.
Sadly the cemetery is in worse condition. The counter company next door is still dumping their scraps in there. I will have an update video out later today.
All I could think about, watching this video, was those giant ant hills and how big the ants must be :-) What were you doing in Santa Fe?
Yeah we don't have ant hills that big in Oklahoma and we have some that are 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch long. I wondered the same thing you did. I also wondered what exactly the holes were for. The prairie dog holes we have here are bigger. I was out there for a mini spring break with the kiddos so of course I was up and moving before they were.
@@RhettyforHistory I was wondering how you got away. That explains it. That brush looked like a perfect place for snakes to hide. Glad you didn't run into any of them. It's probably too cold. Hope you had a fun trip and spring break. ignore my question on the second video. I wrote that before reading this reply.
Yeah that whole NM area looks like a great place for rattlesnakes. It was a little chilly out for them but I still kept an eye out for them. Sometimes you can see them out on a sunny day and high 40's. It's rare but possible.
Time for local government to assign probationers doing community service to clean up the Cemetary and maintain it.
Feel free to contact the city of Santa Fe and complain. I have some links in the pinned comment. I've been working on it for more than a year. The first thing that needs to happen is to make the counter company pick up their scraps they have dumped in there. They probably owe the first clean up of the whole cemetery.
Sadly this cemetery is still in the same sad shape. I will have an update video out later today.
My grandparents are buried at the odd fellows cemetery in Ivanhoe , VA. There is a huge odd fellows in Winston-Salem ,NC . My grandfather was a member of the odd fellows but I don't really know anything about them.
It's an organization that's still around but the numbers are dwindling. So that often leaves cemeteries like this. Thanks for watching.
My goodness, sad cemetery with all that garbage about. And wow I have never seen ant hills that huge before, I would hate to fall on one lol. Very interesting cemetery as well.
Those were huge ant hills. I can't imagine how many were in there.
@@RhettyforHistory Yeah more than I would want to know. LOL
Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
I don't know why, buy I find cemeteries like this beautiful, sad and depressing, but still beautiful.
It is sad but it truly wouldn't take much to make a difference there. The trash just needs to be picked up. They may never figure out the marker predicament. That countertop company needs to stop throwing scraps in the cemetery. It's certainly a cemetery that never needs mowing.
Hi ! Do you remember the cross streets ? My sister lives in Santa Fe and I would like to go there when I visit her next..... thank you for the vlog !
It's right on Cerillos Dr. It' to the west of the Deaf school and east of the Indian School. I can't remember the little road that goes back to where the countertop company is.
@@RhettyforHistory Thank you so Much !
You're welcome and thanks for watching!
Sadly this cemetery is still in the same sad shape. We tried writing and calling various people in Santa Fe and NM but it was to no avail. I will have an update video out later today.
It's unfortunate cities and towns can't afford to fix up these cemeteries
Yes it is or at least enforce the littering laws. That's really the big problem with this one.
Once they clean it up they can replace markers and figure how many people are in there
At 4:24, I don't think they are missing anything, there are what looks like carved bibles resting on the tops. Very sad to see the neglect and trash. Thanks for sharing.
It is sad. I hope that maybe with some contact we can get something done with the countertop trash being dumped in there.
Sadly this cemetery has not improved despite many of us writing the city, state etc. I will have an update video out later today.
Possible the the. Graves from the city cemetry as well.as the poor ppl cemetery. As well combined
I bet you are correct on that. Thank you for watching.
Thats sad. I wish people would take care of these old cemeteries. Just clean it up and fix broken markers.
What you doing out that ways?
It is sad. I'm not sure if they can ever figure out the marker predicament but they could sure clean up the trash. I think it starts with that countertop/granite company. I've been sight seeing a little. I like to branch out every so often.
Sadly this video is in the same shape if not worse. I will have an update video out later today.
How can the owner / operators abandon cemeteries in America? I have seen a lot of cemeteries that are abandon and look horrible...How can the city allow this to happen?
I'm not sure if you are out of the country or not but this is way more common than you would think. It's really not the states or cities responsibility to take care of it. There are some small towns that do it but usually almost never large cities. Many times cemeteries are taken care of by trusts, committees, funeral homes and organizations. Smaller cemeteries are often taken care of by families or every day people like you and me. In this cemeteries case it really wouldn't be difficult to clean up. Nothing will really grow more than it has. That area doesn't need to mow necessarily. But it sure doesn't need all the trash. What is sad is all the broken and mixed up markers.
@@RhettyforHistory I am from Germany, but when I visit the States I have seen a lot of cemeteries that are abandon. I was stunned because in Germany one never sees abandon cemeteries. One thing I don't like about our cemeteries is that we lease the plots..One can lease the plots for 25 to 30 years..if no one renews the lease, the remains are removed..and I don't like that at all. I really like what you do..Interesting to say the least.
Just like mortuaries. If the property owner dies ,with no provision for upkeep of the graveyard it ends up like this. Guaranteed if the city wants it the graves will be moved. A lot of them around here sell plots for 99 yrs and if not re leased they get dug up. Not sure what they do with remains.
Teresa where is that where they do that? I know that's how land works in Hawaii.
NW Ohio. They took out a centennial one up town to put in a gas station a few years back. Painful to note. Where my father I buried its a 99 year lease. A new company took over recently and wanted money for his plot. Of course we paid and now it's another 99 years. He was only in there for 10 years. We buried mom's ashes where she lived in the woods in northern Mich.
Horrible to be so neglected. But that's NM for ya. There are some awesome Native/Spanish cemeteries in Galisteo, Taos (Arroyo Secco), and Ojo Caliente. Very cool!
I did visit the two in Galisteo but they were locked so I could only shoot a short video over the wall. I'll have to try those other ones. This cemetery was just sad and out of all the ones I visited it was the only one like this.
That pile of trash is more than likely from a homeless camp. The cemetery has been forgotten and neglected for a very long time. The cemetery next to it was for “paupers” or people who couldn’t afford to pay ( in the eighties). It is sad. I live in Santa Fe and have never been to that part of the cemetery. Back in the day there were cemeteries for people who weren’t baptized next to the main cemetery. Unconsecrated ground. I’ll see what I can find out.
Thank you for watching and giving us a little more background on this cemetery. It's sad to see it like this. Supposedly it's been cleaned up but I would love to know if that is true.
When I managed cemetery records for a small town in Colorado I would sell cemetery plots and part of the agreement was perpetual care which guaranteed the upkeep of that area for many many years to come. There must not have been that kind of an arrangement with this odd fellows cemetery. Very sad and disrespectful if the company next door is dumping trash over there.
Hopefully someone in that area will talk to that company and ask them to clean up the mess they've dumped. I'm hoping a caring person will see this and form a group from the Santa Fe area to go out there and try to restore as best they can, and maintain that cemetery a few times I year.
Originally there probably was an agreement like that but many of the Odd Fellows are aging and the organization is shrinking. I know that is a major factor in the care of this cemetery. The company next door definitely needs to stop tossing scraps in the cemetery. I know I and multiple viewers have contacted the city, news and the ajoining cemetery but it has been to no avail. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory Thanks for responding to my comment. I suppose that if you and the others went out and cleaned up the mess, there would be no way of stopping the company that's dumping trash unless you went and talked with them before even trying to clean up.
No there isn't. The first thing that needs to happen is the city needs to intervene and fine the company. Make them clean it up or fine them. Then fine them if they do it again. I'm about 8 hours away and some who were writing in are as far away as Australia, U.K and South Africa.
@@RhettyforHistory Has anyone gone over and asked the company why they are dumping in the cemetery? Perhaps someone asked them to put their scraps over there for people to mark their graves?
They aren't marking graves though. Sometimes they are on top of graves already marked. Graves that have funeral home markers won't have anything on it. The scraps are all over the place in very random spots. Many of them are just piles along with their trash.
Thanks for the tour. How do cemeteries become so forgotten? I know every state is guilty of the same thing.
You're welcome and thanks for watching Paul. I think these cemeteries are just owned/maintained by people or organizations that seem to fall apart. Each one has a different story in how it happened.
RhettyforFun Ok that makes sense I wasn’t sure who was responsible. I assumed the city but it sounds like that’s not always the case. Thanks again.
Very rarely is it the city, county or state. Most just don't want those extra expenses.
I lived in NM that whole place is a dump so sad for old cemetary
Lamont at large and U are my favourite cemeteries storytellers all the way by Deb from Australia
Thank you Debra! Lamont does go to some interesting places. He's been passing thru Oklahoma at different times too. Thanks for watching from Australia!
I wonder if this is Our Lady of Guadalupe Cemetery ? According to what I've looked up and what few pictures I've found online it looks like it could be that. It's next to Fairview Cemetery also.
Looks like that cemetery is in between S. St Francis Street and Early Drive. If you head north on S St Frances Street and make a left on Cerillos then you will see Fairview on the right or north side of the road. Odd Fellows is directly to the West of Fairview almost like it is connected. I have a Fairview video that sort of shows how they are next to each other.
@@RhettyforHistory So interesting. I just can't get over how sad and forgotten some of these cemeteries look. Your respect for these almost lost and forgotten souls is admirable. Thank you.
@@foxtrott99 It is sad. I did not know about that other cemetery until you pointed it out. I'm curious what kind of condition it's in.
@@RhettyforHistory I actually tried to get into Our Lady of Guadalupe but could find no unlocked entrance.
That's interesting that it is all locked up. Is it owned by a church?
Why don't they look after it shame shame on them take care 💐🌹🥀🌷🌼🌻💦 flowers for the family s
It is a shame. I'm close to 8 hours away and in another state. I've been trying to get them to so something about it.
Sorry I haven't been so active. Still love the history.
You're fine Catherine! I appreciate you watching!
1816 is going way back. The trashy place near the possible natural gas is sad.
Yes it is. It's sad it seems to have carried over into the cemetery. I'm hoping it changes.
Sadly this cemetery has not improved. I will have an update video out later today.
Very sad cemetery. There's a cache there. It's near an outlaw named Samuel Wesley Ketchum. Him and his brother started the Ketchum gang. He died in 1899 in prison from gangrene and blood poisoning after a shootout. That information was in the cache description.
Someone else found that cache and pointed it out and told me about the outlaw. I had no idea what cemetery it was until I got home to Oklahoma and did some research. I'm a little bummed that I didn't know there was an outlaw there because I love that kind of stuff. There is a lot more in that area that I would like to cover so I will definitely be going back.
@@RhettyforHistory One of these days I'm going out west.
There is a lot to see out that way!
This is sad , but thanks for showing your respect to the people there.. I am working on starting my own family cemetery . I would probably be the first person to be buried there . I'm just looking into it now. I would only do it if several family members wanted to be there too. But , this is my fear. A few of us are buried there and the family doesn't carry it on and it becomes neglected like this. Oh well.
I can understand your concern. There would be a lot of factors in that.but I hope that never happens. Seeing ones not mowed is one thing but seeing them with trash and stuff is another.
Very sad for all these graves to be, seemingly, forgotten.
Yes they are. It's so sad that these are being junked up by the business next door and others.
@@RhettyforHistory at least someone is making use of some of the pieces to try and keep the grave locations known. Maybe that's why that pile is there--for people to use. It does make for an eye-sore, tho. :-(
I just now saw your comment and at least now we have answers on the cemetery and it seems like they have a plan to clean up all the debris and trash.
Yikes, that's really a shame😭
It was sad to see it this way. Thank you for watching.
So interesting why would that small Cemtary be ignored So Sad😞
It is sad. Time has just forgotten it and the Odd Fellows are kind of going away.
Strange .. could this be used as pauper cemetery?
It could be but I don't think it was. It certainly wasn't originally.
This video was very interesting
It's sad to see. I've been trying to get that city to do something. So far no success.
@@RhettyforHistory you're an awesome person man. I would love to go around and help you.
That is one messed up graveyard!
Yes it is. Thank you for watching!
Yes it is. I will have an update video out later today.
Aww such a Sad, Lonely Cemetery, but Very Interesting. I Agree that its Wrong to just throw their materials in the cemetery.. Another thing, I didnt know it snowed in New Mexico...lol..
It is a sad one. Feels like many in there have been forgotten. But that sure doesn't make it right to throw trash in there. Oh yes, that northern part of New Mexico can get quite a bit of snow. They have several ski resorts. We went up near one that had closed a week ago. Thanks for watching!
Sadly this cemetery has not improved. I stopped in for another visit and I will have an update video out later today.
I wonder if someone donated the funeral markers?
That's a good question. I started wondering if some of them were mistakes. It's really difficult to tell.
I was thinking the funeral markers could be from Graves’ that were moved and the funeral home was the one that helped out doing that job…
It's difficult to say if they were graves moved or graves that were in the cemetery and damaged. Either way the marble and counter company next door needs to quit dumping scraps in the cemetery.
We have moles here do you have those there?
Yes we do in Oklahoma. I had a bird dog that loved to try dig those up and catch them. She went off on someone else's property and did that one time and they had placed poison in the holes. She came back home and greeted us then laid under a tree and died. It was like she was saying goodbye. I think the critters in that cemetery were possibly prairie dogs.
Rhetty that's so so sad I'm so sorry and definitely waited for you to say goodbye, that was a blessing. I'm sorry 🙏🙏🙏❤❤
It was a long time ago but it was sad at the time. Moles are a huge problem in Oklahoma.
I've come back to this watch this video several times now. .... I guess that's because it bothers me that this neglect is sad but it's one thing, however - dumping trash in a cemetery is quite another thing! It's just so .... disrespectful. I hope that anyone in the area who cares about the local area will call the local news or better still, call the city authorities and get the ball rolling to clean up this disgraceful state of affairs! If there's any community pride here at all, then why wouldn't they organise a working bee of as many locals as possible to get together and spend a few hours cleaning this up! Many hands make light work, and a fun BBQ at the end of the day would be a good reward as well as an opportunity to bring your community together more. I sure hope that some like-minded locals read this and take action!
Literally I could clean this cemetery up by myself in probably 5 hours. It really doesn't need mowing in this area because that's how many cemeteries are in this area. It just needs trash removal. The biggest amount of it is coming from the counter company next door. So even if someone cleans this up that company will keep throwing scraps over until the city decides to fine the company. I think that's what needs to happen most. A $250 fine per scrap would solve it quickly. And really that company should be the one picking that up.
I hope all is going well with you. I haven't seen you in awhile so I wanted to check in with you.
@@RhettyforHistory
HELLO Rhetty! Nice to hear from you! I sincerely hope that you and your family are all safe and well. America has been hit so hard by the CoVid-19 pandemic. Only the state of Victoria in Australia is really suffering from a nasty breakout. TBH - people where I live are behaving like everything is perfectly normal. No one bothers to observe social distancing so I'm trying to just stay home as much as life allows to be possible. I'm so sorry I haven't been in touch - I've just been so busy, first renovating my home from the timber floors up, and then selling it and buying a new one - which only just settled today. It's just beautiful--but it's been an incredibly stressful 12 months for us to get to this point! Mind you, 2020 has been the "annus horribilus" to end them all for just about everyone on the globe!
So I haven't had a second to myself, much less for TH-cam - and I don't do Facebook or any other social media.
So anyway .. About this Oddfellows Cemetery - I wrote quite a few emails over several months regarding the state that it's in, and particularly about the dumping of garbage etc by local businesses.
I've written to the local branch of Oddfellows, as well as several other branches in the US, and I tracked down contacts for the local city AUTHORITIES and sent them emails as well. And. I. Got. NOTHING. BACK. So I sent them again, but worded quite differently, twice more. But still, I heard nothing. I can't even get SOMEONE to respond!
I included the link to your channel and the actual link to your video about this cemetery so they can see the state of it for themselves - but my guess is that if someone in any position of authority responds to me or to yourself, or sees your video...we'll then they'd have to get off their ass and actually DO SOMETHING about it. And after the recent events in my own life, (renovating & selling my home - and in buying another one), I've discovered that these days most people are downright lazy, and very few people keep their word. Anyone and everyone involved in anything I needed doing will do as little as possible (if anything at all), but at the end of the day they will still put their hands out for as much money as they can possibly squeeze from me.
RAK's (random acts of kindness) are becoming few and far between in modern life - and that's why I find so many of your vids are truly inspirational, Rhetty. You're a good egg, and an excellent example to others.
However, I'm sure you've also found that community-minded folks like us who are simply decent, good-hearted people who are motivated to RAK's for others, and who give to those who need something more than we do, and who just can't turn a blind eye to injustice, and who move when things need to be done that aren't being done by anyone else, and who want contribute to our communities to make them better places .. we'll, I'm sure you've also found that people like us are quite used to being let down - over and over again.
But that's what makes all the more important for folks like us not to give up, to keep on keeping on, no matter how often we get let down or even kicked in the gut.
And I feel that I have "let the team down" on this issue .. For a while there I was like a dog with a bone about it, so thank you for reminding me that something needs to be done there, and if no one else will - then I should keep at it. TBH, I thought that when the Oddfellows chapter saw letters coming from the other side of the globe that they would be quite embarrassed into doing something about it.
But I've made a note in my diary to get back on track as soon as our move to the new house is finished. I still have all of the contracts and letters on file - and I even have the contract for the USA headquarters for Oddfellows that I didn't have before.. So I hope to get SOMETHING back this time.
I found it quite curious that the Oddfellows No. 2 Cemetery there is so beautiful - while this one has been completely forgotten. It's VERY STRANGE. But I made sure to differentiate between the two.
I must go, but will catch up later.
Thanks for thinking of me, Rhetty!
Kindest regards,
Janell
I'm glad you are doing fine and well. With everything going on i just wanted to make sure. We have been well here. Sarah and I have wondered if we may have had this last December. All of the symptoms seem the same. 2 of our three kids living at home had it at the same time. 1 never got sick at all which is good because she is the one with type 1 diabetes. But we had it for almost a month. We would think we were getting better and it would come right back. It was very draining and left us with shortness of breath for awhile. Sarah had even cracked a rib over it. But since that was way before we never got tested. Luckily we haven't had anything since.
Sounds like you really have been busy. What an overhaul you have been busy with. I bet it was beautiful afterwards though.
I sort of gave up on this cemetery. I had the same trouble you did. I couldn't even get a response. I called, wrote, emailed and sent messages to news stations, the city, odd fellows and others. It's difficult for me to believe that no one seems to care about that cemetery. It's also strange that the cemetery directly beside it is so well maintained. I wish I lived closer and I would bring more awareness to it as well as clean it up. Maybe that city just doesn't like us outsiders telling them about it? I don't know.
Anyways I was worried about you and I'm glad to hear that you are doing fine and have just been busy!
I know you worked hard to get something done on this along with myself and some other viewers. It looks like my newest video in this cemetery stirred up a hornets next and they are finally getting something done. I just thought I would give you an update.
Must be an abandoned cemetery. What a sorry looking cemetery. It's sad.
Actually it's not abandoned but it does have a sad story. I did an update video not that long ago in it. Supposedly it has been cleaned up. I hope to return and see if that is the case.
Awe it's a shame people have forgotten the cemetery. It's like the people who were buried there aren't important. The people who should clean up and get rid of the old weeds. Shame on them! If they moved the cemetery some other places surely wouldn't have left the headstones.
They have not moved the graves. Many of them were in a previous location though and moved a long time ago to this one. There were a couple family plots extremely well maintained. But as far as the weeds, we have to remember where we are. This is NM and this very common to many cemeteries. They don't get the grass unless they plant some so they don't mow. The ground is often very soft and fill of rocks. It takes a while get used to it but I find beauty in the growth. The bigger issue in this cemetery is what appears to be broken headstones and then clumped together. Also the counter company next door is throwing all of their scraps in the cemetery. That's a huge problem. Then you can add in all the trash knives etc.
Sadly this cemetery has not improved. I will have an update video out later today.
I absolutely abhor litter dropping anyway because it's awfully lazy, I've been on my green by duck pond right next to bench is a litter and dog bin, a family having a picnic which is sweet but not one of them could walk 6 steps (😂that's me probably 3 steps I'm not the tallest )to throw their litter in the bin. We have lost so many creatures due to litter anyway 😂I'm getting there 😪how can people drop their rubbish in a cemetery it's so disrespectful 😳
I don't understand littering especially in a cemetery or memorial. It looked like that counter top company was to lazy to walk to their trash can so they throw it over the fence. There was a lot going on that didn't make sense.
At 19:30 "Samuel George Clark" of Hubbards Bridge Lincolnshire England........
As a Plumber I worked a lot in that area of Lincolnshire.
www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.9773973,-0.1136016,15.71z copy and paste this link in your browser. I crossed Hubbards Bridge many times. Its a small community . . . I wonder what he was doing in USA . . . . . Seeking his dreams or was he taken there by his parents . . . . we will never know. Died age 19yrs. . . so it could be either.
Thanks for a great video.
That is interesting! Wish we knew why. Thanks for looking that up and sharing what you found.
These poor people probably do not have any family left to take care of their graves or just moved out of the area. In our family we don't have anyone left to take care of our family graves but my husband and I, and we are older also. So when we die, there will no one left to take care of us either. It's sad, but that's the way it is.
The biggest advice I can give anyone is get in a cemetery that us still doing active burials. Those help ensure that finds are being spent for upkeep. I'm sure there are many people in Santa Fe that have no idea they have a relative in that cemetery. It just probably wasn't passed down and who knows who is in the graves with no marker. Thanks for watching.
You know that there's some cemeteries that you might like in Albuquerque that it in some weird places there's one right off of above Lomas and the freeway that that's in a weird spot I mean you would have to know where it is to identify it it's right where the old car dealerships used to be
Wow that is different! So they built them in between the dealerships or it was there before?
You're in my state I'm in Albuquerque I thought the cemetery that you talkin about it's in Albuquerque of that same name
I didn't make it down to Albuquerque but I sure wanted to. I'll have to make another trip out there. I feel like there just wasn't enough time.
I want to be cremated. No marker. Scattered in the forest on the farm where I grew up that is now a nature preserve.
Nothing wrong with that. I plan on being cremated as well.
Absolutely shameful, and so sad.
Yes it is. Thank you for watching Patricia.
Sadly this cemetery is in the same sad shape. I will have an update video out later today.
I would say from personal experience that the divided cemeteries are Catholic and Protestant. In the town were my Mom's family is from, the Catholic cemetery is well cared for and even watered but the Protestant cemetery just across a dirt path is over grown and broken. Most of the people buried there were poor or their relatives lived to far to take care of the graves. I'm not disparaging the Catholic Church or its congregation because there is no one who can cast the first stone; besides almost my entire family is Catholic. It just hurts my heart to see the neglect so close to the cared for...😥
There are a bunch of Catholic cemeteries in the area. Many of them are just dirt and desert vegetation which I absolutely love. There really is no need to mow. It was the trash and mixed up headstones that I thought was sad in this one. The cemetery next to it, Fairview, and then Rosario are both Protestant. Right next to Rosario is Santa Fe National Cemetery and it had a lot of grass that was being watered. I didn't see any others with grass but I didn't visit them all. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@RhettyforHistory It's always been a touchy subject in my family. But I can totally see your point!🙂 Thank you for all these great videos!! I love all the history that you share!!
Thank you Ms. I happy to hear you enjoy them and I appreciate you watching.
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Thank you for watching Tinz.
So I have another semi-neglected cemetery to recommend to you if you find yourself in California. It's called Sunnyside Cemetery and it's in Long Beach, CA. www.findagrave.com/cemetery/788908/sunnyside-cemetery
It's semi-neglected for several reasons, one being that a former owner embezzled money to pay his alimony and buy himself a sports car, the other being that it's full so they can't bury anyone else there - www.presstelegram.com/2017/05/06/long-beachs-sunnyside-cemetery-steeped-in-history-struggles-on-the-edge-of-insolvency/
People try to keep it up on their own and they even have movie showings and stuff to try and raise money, but even the city won't take it over because they feel there's no money in a full up graveyard, despite the fact a city owned cemetery is right next door.
It's a historic cemetery and many of the grave stones are marked as G.A.R. Grand Army Of The Republic. Plus a large section for children - a huge reminder to vaccinate your kids if you want them to live past four!
It's sad to see a place in the middle of a large city go mostly forgotten just because of greed.
If I'm ever out that way I would love to check it out. It sounds right up my alley.
The city probably grew up around the cemetery. So at one point the cemetery could have been on the outskirts of the city.
This was maintained by the odd fellows which are dwindling in numbers and the ones left are aging.
Would it kill someone to pick up the trash and take a weed wacker to this cemetery? 😪
I certainly don't think so. Supposedly it's been cleaned up. I'll have to try and make it out there again for a third time to see if it has happened. Thank you for watching Marcie!
That is so discrasval exactly why I say I want to be cremated and my ashes scaterd.
I'm with you on that.
Maybe find volunteers that can help clean it up.
I don't live there so we need some locals.
@@RhettyforHistory Me either or I will gladly help. In San Antonio we have a very old Confederate Cementary with Mazons too. It was very neglected but the city uses the inmates that they trust. It has been working. By the way I love your videos.
Inmates like that might be a good idea. For sure it should be people on probation needing community service. In this cemeteries case I think they fine that countertop company for littering. Thanks for watching my videos. I'm glad you enjoy them.
Sadly this cemetery is in the same sad shape. I will have an update video out on this later today.
Maybe it was a prairie at one time .its sooo sad..that pocket knife was scary yikes
I do think it was a prairie dog. I probably shouldn't have touched the knife.
Sadly this has not improved at all. I will have an update video out later today.
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