Presentation by Rev Dr Cherian Varikattu on the History of Syro-Malabar Church at the first Eparchial Gathering of the Syro Malabar Eparchy of Great Britain.
Thank you for the very informative presentation. Just a remark: the name "Puthenkuru" did not originate with the Koonan Cross oath, but, later when the Bishop from Antioch visited Kerala and part of those who took the oath accepted him and he ordained, Arch Deacon, Itti Thoman as Bishop for those who paid allegiance to the West Syrian Antiochian Church.
Kudos for your deep understanding of the church history. A wonderful presentation with brilliant illustration. At least our church has leader in Rome who is widely admired even by non-Christians and even atheists as an embodiment of mercy and love. Which other church can claim it.
Most part of the narrative is outside the syllabus of history of Syro-Malabar Church. The listeners will be left with more questions than the answers. The learned author was struggling to establish that St Thomas arrived in AD 52 in absence of documentary evidence except some indirect and circumstantial evidence. However, the author is sure that the Syrian migration led by Knanaya Thoma occured in AD 345 although all the evidences are to the contrary.
Syro Malabar Catholics are Nasranis by ethnicity, Catholics by faith and East Syriacs by liturgy. Proud to belong to one of the oldest christian communities in the world
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
@@johndonnelly1376 Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who turned away from their own Church and subjugated themselves to western syriac Jacobite patriarch.
@@bernardthome9003 Maybe you can say, a faction of Malankara Christians subjugated to the Latin Church and became part of the Roman Catholic Church and was governed by Latin bishops of Kerala up until 1923 when Syro-Malabar church was formed. The other faction became Jacobites.
*Thank you most reverend father, you have defended the truth.* The jacobites , Orthodox and other west Syriac puthenkoor Mar thoma Christian communities have always been and continue twisting the truth and manipulating history to legitimise their position. They now fight for churches in courts and put shame for entire christendom. 1.The church of malabar (st. Thomas christians) shared communion with Catholic Church till the Council of Ephesus in AD 431. It reestablished the communion at the council of chalcedon in AD 451. 2. The church of malabar was under the jurisdiction of Patriarchate of Babylon (functioning from the twin Sassanid capital cities of Seleucia-Ctesiphon.) But the day to day affairs were handled by the archdeacon. 3. It had no administrative relations with the Church of Antioch. The Church of Babylon and Church of Antioch had no liturgical and ecclesiastical relations. 4. The liturgy of East Syriac Church is unique. It uses the liturgy of Sts. Addai and Mari. It is different from that of jacobites. 5. The jacobites created the maphrianate of East only in the 6th century and it aimed in robbing the church of Babylon out of its followers. 6. The church of St. Thomas christians has always remained Catholic except from 431 to 451 AD. 7. The jacobite church destroyed the culture and heritage of the Puthenkoor fraction of the Church of Malabar by replacing their east Syriac language and liturgy with the foreign West syriac Antiochene rite.
After Christ's resurrection He gave the great commission to his Apostles (including Thomas) to go out into the world and proclaim the Good News (the Gospel) to all the nations. The reason for the Apostle Thomas to arrive in India was because of a Jewish community that lived on the Malabar coast. Coins recovered from Kerala strongly support the idea of a flourishing Indian trade in spices with Arabia, Rome, China and other East Asian countries in the first century. It is reasonable to assume that Thomas started his ministry with the proclamation of the Messianic kingdom to Jews and then the natives. The writings of the Early Church Fathers, the oral traditions of the Malabar Christians, and archaeological findings support the narrative of evangelization of the natives particularly of South India (Kerala) in the first century by Thomas, the Apostle of Christ. Hymns of St. Ephrem (4th century), a beloved saint from Syria describes the martyrdom of Apostle Thomas in India. Early Christian writings of the third and fourth century about the missionary work in south eastern coast of India lend credence to the traditions that India had a strong Christian presence since the first century. Eusebius of Caesaria (4th century), a church historian and Bishop, wrote in his book Ecclesiastical history that Pantaneus visited India in 180 AD and says that he found a Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew, left with the Christians there by St. Bartholomew. St. Jerome in his writings mentions a deputation sent from India to Alexandria. This deputation requested Demetrius (127-232 AD), the bishop of Alexandria (Egypt), to send Clement of Alexandria (150 AD- 215 AD) to India. These writings point to a Christian community existing in the first and second centuries in Kerala (India). As per the traditions of the St. Thomas Christians, Thomas established seven churches in south India. Today there are above 4 million St. Thomas Christians belonging to various denominations (Syro-Malabar Catholic, Syro-Malankara Catholic, Syrian Orthodox, Jacobite, Mar Thoma Church etc) in South India. Cosmas the Monk was a Greek merchant from Alexandria of Egypt who wrote in his travelogue (Cosmas Indicopleustes ) about his travel to India in the 6th-century during the reign of emperor Justinian. In 522 AD, he visited the Malabar Coast (South India) and was the first traveller to mention Suriyani Christians in present-day Kerala in India. He wrote, "In the Island of Taprobane (Ceylon), there is a church of the Christians, and clerks and faithful. Likewise at Malé where the pepper grows; and in the town of Kalliana (Maharashtra). The present Day Kalyan where Comas used to rule, there is also a bishop consecrated in Persia." The apocryphal Acts of Judas Thomas narrate Thomas, the Apostle, travelling to the court of Gondophares I, the Indo-Parthian ruler. From archeological findings in Taxila (Pakistan) Gondophares ruled from 19 to 46 AD. In the excavated Palace of Gondophores, the guide at the place point out, that in addition to Jain and Buddhist worship places in the area there is also a baptismal font which Thomas would have used for his conversions. This suggests the route Thomas would have taken from Jerusalem to Persia and finally into India through Taxila (Pakistan).
All the christians in Kerala except the Anglican churches and Roman Catholic churches are Marthoma Christians. Roman Catholic churches are also known as Latin Catholic churches coz the official liturgy of Roman Catholic Church is in Latin.
But the Syro- Malabar church is also part of that Vatican based Roman Latin church . You can not change that tag from you any more unless you come out of that foreign Latin yoke. Same thing happens with the Syro- Malankara Catholic church also. I do not know why they celebrate sabha-punarikya-dinam. It should be the ancient syriac church-vitta-dinam. Idiots ! You should have thought about it in 1599 AD and again you had another opportunity in 1653 AD! . The ancient Kerala church was neither started by St. Thomas nor was it under the Latin Pope till the portugese arrival. Of course there were Latin catholics in some parts of Kerala even before the arrival of the Portugese.
Why we can’t stay away from Latin that is under the Rome. And stand alone since we have a great past from saint Thomas. Let us get separated from Roman hierarchy. Why the holy See is involving in our angamaly ernakulam diocese issues. We have our traditions, we evolved from Malabar of great kerala. Our system need to be changed why we need to depend the Holy See all this.
ആദ്യ പുനര്യ്ക്യം നടന്നത് 1921 ഒക്ടോബർ 29 നു ആണ്. കോട്ടയം രൂപത മെത്രാനായ മാർ അലക്സാണ്ടർ ചൂളപറമ്പിൽ മുൻകൈയെടുത്തു ക്നാനായ യാക്കോബായിൽ നിന്നും കുറച്ചാൾക്കാർ ഒറ്റതൈക്കൽ തോമസ് അച്ചന്റെ കൂടെ കത്തോലിക്ക സഭയിലേക്ക് പുനര്യക്യപ്പെട്ടു. അതും കഴിഞ്ഞു ഒൻപത് വർഷങ്ങൾക്കു ശേഷമാണു മാർ ഇവനിയോസ് പുനർഐക്യപ്പെട്ടത്.
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
@@johndonnelly1376 Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
@@johndonnelly1376 Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Catholic Church and merged into Jacobite Church of Arabia and Syria
@@johndonnelly1376 no John, I'm assuming you're white and couldn't understand fr cherian, but the syro malabar church used to be part of the church of the east and then went into communion with rome due to portugese colonialism. During the colonial era, the portugese blocked indian access to east syraic bishops, and because of this non catholic st thomas christians ended up getting the wrong bishops they got west syriac bishops instead- these are the malankara and jacobite orthodox. But all of our histories (syro malabar, syro malankara, malankara orthodox, jacobite orthodox,marthoma etc ) have our history beginning in 52 ad with the arrival of st thomas the apostle.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 then you prove there was Syrian Catholic before that in Kerala ? Prove it boss! Show your proof before you keep playing emotional tactics and trying hard to provoke... Wise men are build out of iron and nerves of steel. Show the proof that Syrian Catholic was there before 1890.. there is Catholic from 15th century but not Syrian Catholic. However , you show the proof!
@@josephsm4661 I don't need to prove it as it is already proven by history. Don't rattle this hard when your lies and forgery are hit hard by the truth. You puthenkoots have manipulated each and everything and made the reunion impossible. You left the traditions, language and faith and surrendered to the foreign jacobite patriarch who doesn't have any legitimate position in the St.Thomas' church of Malabar.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 History proved that for power money and benefits people will betray. I am not rattling, you are! You are very uncomfortable so far! You made the claims.. thieves.. liar... Now under foreign rule... So you got to prove it! Otherwise it's all your emotional opinions... We are not under any foreign rule.. we are independent Indiana orthodox church since 1912. Jacobites left us in 1975. So now we are completely independent but in close relation ship with all 4 oriental orthodox churches and maintain cordial relations with rest of the others. But when someone makes false claims by presenting such videos we will respond.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 we are the only once with the St Thomas roots holding to honesty and commitment to forefathers. All the others left with other foreigners. Show me one church unit in India independent like us? One is Marthoma, they left us in 1890. Syro malabhar left us in 1565, approx. Some left to form Latin Catholics and some left to be part of Roman Catholics. And still people are going to pentacoast, heavenly feats and so on. Malanakara Catholic left in 1930. Jacobites left then came back and then left for ever. Syro malabhar left under Portuguese pressure, and came under governship of De Menzes pope of Goa... Who is hiding and rattling?
There was only one church in Kerala from St Thomas arrrival in Kerala till the Portuguese came. The present day Catholics are the ones who slavishly accepted the Portughese religion and were agents who agreed with burning of documents in Udayamperur. Now don't try to twist history , just like Fr. mMulackal
Keralathinte... history padikku......athil... വളരെ വകത്യം എഴുതിയിട്ടുണ്ട്....സ്റ്റ്. തോമസ് എന്നു ഒരാൾ കേരള ത്തിൽ vannittil എന്നു. Pne a time il a kearala തിൻ്റ details full തരുന്ന books annu sangakala കൃതികൾ ഓക്ക്. Please study കേരളാ ഹിസ്റ്ററി.....fr.
Catholics have a false notion that the Catholic Church is the original church. It is not correct. It is evident from the fact that Roman or Catholic church is not seen mentioned anywhere in the bible. But see the Acts.11/26 wherein it is stated that Jesus's disciples assembled at Antioch and were first known as Christians. Antioch church is mentioned at several occasions in the Bible. The holy Bible compiled in the first two three centuries is also a brief account of the contemporary world. In fact the Catholic church emerged around 324 AD by the efforts of emperor Constantine. Hence it is very clear that the Antioch church is the first church in the world and will remain so as long as there is Holy bible.
Hahaha... Two books of the New Testament, namely the Gospel of St. Mark and the first Epistle of St. Paul are addressed to the Church of Rome. The Acts of the Apostles concludes with St. Pauls journey to the Church of Rome. Saint Ignatius , Patriarch of Antioch, calls the Church of Rome the presider in love. St. Chrysostom who hails from Antioch says, Although we(Antiochians) recieved the Prince of the Apostles (St. Peter) as our Bishop, we couldn't keep him forever, but we had to give him up to the Royal Rome.
@@bernardthome9003 There's literally letters in the bible addressed to the Roman church, along with mentions of the successors of Peter, Linus and Clement in the letters of St Paul to Timothy and Phillipians. This "Constantine founded the church" nonsense is demonstrably false revision of history created by heretics and the children of the devil who is the father of lies.
@@thomaskoshy3874 The Catholic church gave you the bible- The Council of Rome was a Synod which took place in Rome in AD 382, under the leadership of Pope Damasus I, the Bishop of Rome. The only surviving conciliar pronouncement may be the Decretum Gelasianum. The Decretum Gelasianum contains a canon of Scripture, which was issued by the Council of Rome under Pope Damasus in 382, and which is identical with the list given at the Council of Trent.
@@jacobraji2442 My contention is simple. If the Catholics gave the Bible, why the Roman/ Catholic Church or Papacy is not seen mentioned in the Bible? It is somewhat presenting the history of Indian independence without mentioning a word about Gandhi. If a Catholic Church existed in the early period, it would have been definitely mentioned in the Bible.
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
@@bernardthome9003 Syro Malabar came into existence in the 1900s. What you are referring to is the faction which joined Roman Catholic church. Why? Portuguese were against Nestorian Christians in Kerala as they were against veneration of Saint Mary, they did not believe Mary as mother of God. So, the Portuguese who were faithful to Mary, forcefully brought a faction under their control. If so called Syrian Christians adore Saint Mary, it is because of Portuguese Latin missionaries.
@@johndonnelly1376 Hahaha... Jacobites were established in 2002 and the spark started since 1665. Malankara Orthodox was established in 1912. Portuguese were against everyone other than they themselves. They went against the Pope. Syro Malabar Church existed before 1599 as the Dyophisite, East Syriac Rite Church in Communion with the Patriarch of Babel, Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and Pope of Rome. After 1599, the church was brought under Archbishop of goa, in favour of colonial interests.
@@bernardthome9003 Brother, do some research on Nestorianism and Nestorians in Kerala. You would be surprised, there is a qudasha for Mar Nestorius in the Syro Malabar Church.
@@bernardthome9003 Syro Malabarians won't be praying Holy Mary, Mother of God... if it wasn't for the Portuguese. It is a shame that Mar Nestorius is still adored in Syro Malabar even after subjecting to Papal (Latin) authority.
സഭയുടെ ചരിത്രം വിവരം തന്നതിൽ അഭിനന്ദനം. ലോക൦ എങ്ങും പോയി സകല സ്ർിഷ്ടികളോടു൦ സുവിശേഷം പ്രസംഗിച്ചുകൊണ്ടു ജ്ജനനസ്നാനം നൽകി സഭയോട്, ദെെവത്തിലേക്ക് ആളെ കൊണ്ടു വരാൻ ആഹ്വാനം ചെയ്ത നാഥനോട് വിശ്വസ്തത പുലർത്തി മുന്നോട്ടു സഭ വളരണ൦. ആദ്യം വന്നവർക്കു൦, അവസാനം വന്നവർക്കു൦ ഒരേ കൂലി കൊടുത്തു തമ്പുരാൻ. വിശുദ്ധ പാരമ്പര്യം മുറുകെ പിടിച്ചു എല്ലാവരെയും ക്രിസ്തുവിൽ ഒന്നായി കാണുക. പാരമ്പര്യം ആളുകളെ അകറ്റാനുള്ള കാരണം ആകരുതു.
ദളിതനെ ഒക്കെ ഈ സഭയിൽ എടുക്കുമോ ? അതുപോട്ടെ ജനറ്റിക് ടെസ്റ്റ് നടത്തിയാൽ ശുദ്ധി എങ്ങനെ തെളിയിക്കും ? ഈ സഭയിൽ അടിമ കച്ചവടം നടന്നിരുന്നു . ഇതേ സമയം കോപ്റ്റിക് സഭ ആഫ്രിക്കയിൽ ഉണ്ട് . തീർത്തുല്യൻ , അത്തനേഷ്യസ് ഒക്കെ സഭാപിതാക്കൾ . അവർ ആഫ്രിക്കാര് ആണ് .
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
@@johndonnelly1376 who is the faction? Who followed the actual paramparyam those days? Who carried the paramparyam and littergy with them? Debatable and could be argued
@@johndonnelly1376 Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
പേർഷൃൻസഭയെ എത് സമയുത്തും കല്ലേ റിഞ്ഞുനടക്കുകയും കിട്ടിയ അവസരത്തിൽ കടലിൽ മുക്കികൊല്ലുകയും ചെയിന്ന മനൃമാരാണ് സീറോമലബാർ സഭകാർ ഉദ കൽദയ സഭയെ മുക്കികൊന്നു നിങ്ങൾ ആദൃം ചെയേണ്ടത് ചവറ അച്ചൻ നേയല്ല വാസ്ഗോ ടിഗാമയെ വിശുദ്ധ നാക്കാമായിയീരുന്നു വാസ്ഗോടിഗാമ വന്നില്ലയിന്നെങ്കിൽ കേരളത്തിൽ റോമ സഭ ഉണ്ടാകുമില്ല
ചരിത്രത്തെ തെറ്റായി വളച്ചൊടിച്ചു പാരമ്പര്യം നേടാൻ ശ്രെമിക്കരുത് . 1653കൂനൻ കുരിശു സത്യം ശേഷം, മലങ്കര മാർത്തോമാ 1മൻ te കൂടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന പറമ്പിൽ ചാണ്ടി കത്തനാർ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാരുടെ സ്ഥാനമാനങ്ങൾ മോഹിച്ചു 1663ൽ മലങ്കര സഭയിൽ നിന്നും മറുകണ്ടം ചാടി സ്ഥാപിച്ച സഭ syro മലബാർ എന്നേ ഭാരതീയ ക്രൈസ്തവ ചരിത്രം ശെരിയായ രീതിയിൽ പഠിക്കുബോൾ കാണുവാൻ സാധിക്കുകയുള്ളു . പിന്നീട് ഈവാനിയോസ് തിരുമേനി വീണ്ടും 1930ചരിത്രം ആവർത്തിച്ചു. മലങ്കര കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ സ്ഥാപിച്ചു.
@@nevinjohn Marthoma 1 and itty are the real traitors. You have entirely mistaken. They forged lies and broke laws framed by ecumenical councils. They surrendered their faith and liturgy to the foreign antiochene jacobite patriarch just on the lust for power.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 catholics were the foreign power. Historians and common people will know who the real traitors were. Roman Catholic sheeps won't admit it.
Why do you dislike the west so much? Syro-malabar is still a community of "actual old syrian Christians". Union with the wider catholic and apostolic church, and the acceptance of the successor of Peter doesn't take away from our Syrian roots, it only develops it.
@@jacobraji2442 did I say I dislike syro malabhar? No I didn't. I said syro malabhar no longer holds the traditional liturgy. I have nothing against West, nor do I have special love for west. I learned history well and I ought not repeat the mistakes of my forefathers of being submissive to poor leadership. Syro Malabar and its people have freedom to be with what they want but when someone corrupts are our history then we should state clearly till it gets registered in peoples head.
@@josephsm4661 But you do understand that the claim you make is simply false. Have you even been to a latin mass? They are not the same. Have you been to a traditional syro malabar mass spoken in the language of the old Syrian Christians? You can't seperate the tree from it's roots. I'm not denying that you all are old Syrian Christians due to the same logic.
ഒരു ശരിയായ സംവാദത്തിന്റെ തുറവി പുലർത്തുന്നില്ല. ഏറ്റവും അത്യാവശ്യം നേരും നെറിവുമാണല്ലോ അച്ചൻ പറഞ്ഞ പ്രകാരം തോമ്മാ ശ്ലീഹായുടെ കാലം മുതൽ 300 വർഷക്കാലം ഇവിടെ നമ്മൾ കുർബ്ബാനയില്ലാതെ കഴിഞ്ഞു എന്നാണ് വരുന്നത്. കാരണം നമുക്കൊരു ക്രമം ഇല്ലായിരുന്നു, അങ്ങനെ ഒന്ന് രൂപപ്പെടുത്താൻ പറ്റിയില്ലത്രേ. നമ്മൾ ഏതായാലും സുറിയാനിക്കാർ അല്ലായിരുന്നു. അങ്ങനെയിരിക്കെ കൽദായകച്ചവടക്കാർ വന്നപ്പോൾ അവരുടെ കൈയ്യിൽ സുറിയാനി ക്രമം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു. നമ്മൾ അത് ഇരു കൈയ്യും നീട്ടി സ്വീകരിച്ചു. നമ്മൾ അത്രക്ക് തുറന്ന മനസ്സുള്ളവരായിരുന്നുവത്രേ. ഇങ്ങനെ പറയുന്നിടത്ത് ഒരു ചേർച്ചക്കുറവില്ലേ? പിന്നെ പതിനാറാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിൽ ലത്തീൻ ക്രമം വന്നപ്പോൾ നമ്മുടെ തുറവി ഒക്കെ പോയി. വലിയ എതിർപ്പായി. നിർബന്ധിച്ച് ഇടത്തു നിന്ന് വലത്തോട്ട് കുരിശ് വരപ്പിച്ചതു കൊണ്ട് നമ്മൾ വലത്തു നിന്ന് ഇടത്തേക്കേ വരയ്ക്കൂ എന്ന്. ഈ നിർബന്ധത്തിന് വഴങ്ങി പഴയകൂറല്ലേ കൂടെ നിന്നുള്ളു. പുത്തൻകൂറ് പുറത്തുപോയില്ലേ. പക്ഷെ അവരും ഇടത്തു നിന്ന് വലത്തോട്ടാണല്ലോ വരക്കുന്നത്. ആഗോള സഭയിലും, കേരളത്തിലും എല്ലാവരും ഇടത്തു നിന്ന് വലത്തോട് വരക്കുന്നു. അതിനിടയിൽ, നമുക്കു പോലും ഏകാഭിപ്രായത്തിലെത്താൻ സാധിക്കാത്ത , ഒരു മേന്മയും ഗുണവും തരാത്ത ഒരു രീതി വാശി പിടിച്ച് സ്വീകരിച്ച് , അക്കാര്യത്തിലെങ്കിലുമുള്ള ഐക്യരൂപ്യം ഇല്ലാണ്ടാക്കി, സ്വയം പരിഹാസ്യരാകണമോ? പഠനങ്ങളും, സംവാദങ്ങളും ഐക്യത്തിന്റെ സാധ്യതകൾ, സ്വന്തം സഭയിലും, മറ്റ് വ്യക്തിസഭകളുമായും, കണ്ടെത്താനാണോ, അതയോ ഭിന്നത വർധിപ്പിക്കാനാണോ? നമ്മൾ എന്തു സന്ദേശമാണ് വളരുന്ന തലമുറക്കും സമൂഹത്തിനും കൊടുക്കുന്നത്.? വിലയില്ലാത്ത കാര്യങ്ങൾക്കു വേണ്ടി, വിലപ്പെട്ട ഐക്യവും കൂട്ടായ്മയും നഷ്ടപ്പെടുത്തുമ്പോൾ ദൈവത്തിന്റെ മുമ്പിൽ സ്വീകാര്യത ഉണ്ടാവുമോ? ഈ ലോകത്തിൽ കയ്യടിയും സ്ഥാനമാനങ്ങളും കിട്ടുമായിരിക്കും. ഇങ്ങനെയാണോ ലോകത്തിന്റെ വെളിച്ചവും ഭൂമിയുടെ ഉപ്പുമായി വിളിക്കപ്പെട്ടവർ പ്രവർത്തിക്കേണ്ട ത് ?
കാരണവന്മാരായിട്ട് പടിപ്പിക്കുന്നത് അങ്ങനെ തന്നെ പോകട്ടെ. എന്നെ എന്റെ വലിയപ്പൻ വലതു നിന്നു ഇടത്തേക്കു വരയ്ക്കാന് ആണ് പടിപ്പിച്ചത്. പള്ളിയില് നേരെ തിരിച്ചും. ഞാന് എന്തായാലും എന്റെ കൊച്ചിനെ എന്റെ കാരണവന്മാര് പടിപ്പിച്ച പോലെ തന്നെ വരയ്ക്കാന് ആണ് പടിപ്പിച്ചത്.
Mistake, mistake, mistake 1498 Roman Catholic people hijacked Bharat Christianity then this cult teaching is coming to Kerala Christianity was started In Jerusalem All people gathering there .most of them from Kerala. Then they came back and started Christianity here.
To some extent the history carries some accuracy. However, the history about the arrival of St. Thomas is obscure and the apostle is only believed to have come to kerala and no substantial proof for that. Nevertheless, we don’t forget the acknowledgment of pope that st. Thomas has not visited kerala but has passed by the old Burma ( New pakistan). . Despite the public acknowledgement, the so called marthoma Christians are still believing in st. Thomas origination.
Unfortunately, there are no manuscripts available in India, but there are old manuscripts at Edessa which detail his journey to India. Some of the supporting factors are the presence of the Aramaic speaking Jewish community, the active trade between India and the middle east, etc.
@@johndonnelly1376 Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
we have tradition to tell us that st thomas really did come to kerala, the tradition of our ancestors and the tradition of our church fathers. don't let latin and bjp propaganda get to you. Also pope benedict is not the authority on the life of st thomas, popes have mispoke multiple times and he wasn't speaking ex cathedra either
Almost true ... Appreciate for being almost accurate with history ...I belong to orthodox and I find the history almost correct but some twist has been made.. i
@@elvisgeorge9613 The twist is that this priest implies that the East Syrian Bishops used to come to Kerala being approved by the Pope of Rome. The fact is that the East Syrian Church was an independent Church under the Catholicose. The Roman missionaries were able to create divisions in the East Syrian Church and create a "Reeth" under the Pope only in 1553. The pre-Portughese Marthoma Christians were not Chaldean Catholics under the pope but in communion with the Independent Church of the East. The second twist is that this priest makes and assumption that there were no East Syrian Jacobite. Within the Church of the East, there were those who followed Nestorian beliefs and those who followed Oriental Orthodox beliefs. The head of the Orthodox Church of the East was known as the Maphrian. If the Jacobite belief was unknown in pre-Portughese Kerala, why would Kerala Christians be so upset about not being able to receive Mar Ahathalla a Jacobite Bishop ? This priest has also said his-story.
@@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox OK? What about Mar Joseph Sulaqa and Mar Abraham. Both were Chaldean Catholics. You are also incorrect about the Church of the East. The Church of the East was a NESTORIAN church. Many Syriac Orthodox theologians litterally dedicated their lives for condeming Nestorian beliefs. And about the Jacobite contact.....While contact between the 2 churches did occur,many sources (Including the Niranam Ganthravi) state we were under the Church of the East. The only reasons why we were upset was because we did not want to go under the Portuguese. I myself would of rather joined the Jacobites but because I was from Chalakudy my ancsestors joined the Syro Malabar church. :( TBH,what's up with these metran kashi extremists who are totally convinced they're the true Nasrani because they are a "Swadeshi Sabha" (Not saying you are but I do see a trend like this.)
@@elvisgeorge9613 reply 2 about the Jacobite Church of the East. 1) The vast majority of the Church of the East was NESTORIAN in faith. And you are absolutely right that Syriac Orthodox (JACOBITE) theologians consider NESTORIAN faith to be a huge heresy because it considers two different persons in Christ that of Humanity and Divinity as two separate things. They attribute some aspects of what Christ did to his humanity and some aspects to his divinity. This is why in the Church of the East they would only talk of the virgin Mary as Yaldath Mishiha (Mother of the anointed one). In the Oriental Orthodox faith (referred to as Jacobite faith) held on to by the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch and the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria; the Christology is miaphysite. In this faith Christ is one person; and hence would refer to the virgin Mary as Yaldath Aloho (Mother of God). Though this would appear to be subtle the Syriac Orthodox theologians considered this to be a huge deal. Did Virgin Mary give birth to just an "anointed one" or did Virgin Mary carry in her womb and gave birth to "God". 2) The Church of the East was headed by the Catholicose of the East. In the Council of Ephesus (AD 431) the Church of the East split into those who held the Nestorian faith and those who held to the Oriental Orthodox (also referred to as Jacobite) faith. Both groups elected their own Catholicose of the East. To distinguish Oriental Orthodox (Jacobite) Catholicose from the Nestorian Catholicose, he was referred to by the title Maphrian. As there were two ecclesiastical authorities within the Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Church, namely the Patriarch of Antioch and the Maphrian of the East, naturally disputes arose between the two about rights and privileges. In AD 869 a 'Council of Capharthutha' was held to define the relationship between these two ecclesiastical authorities. It is this Maphrianate of the East (Catholicose of the East) that was relocated to India in 1912. It is the question about the validity and rights of this relocated Catholicose of the East, that is the root cause of the Methran Kakshi - Bava kakshi disputes. The much disputed "1934 Constitution" is modeled after the AD 869 Council of Capharthutha in defining the relationship between the Catholicose of the East and the Patriarch of Antioch. 3) Mar Ivanios , the one who defected from the Malankara Orthodox Church in 1933 and is the father of the Syro-Malankara Reeth has written an article "Were Marthoma Nazrani's Nestorians". In this article he goes on to prove that the Oriental Orthodox (Jacobite) faith existed in Kerala in early times and gives the example of an early stone inscription in an old church that refers to Virgin Mary as Yaldath Aloho. Unfortunately I cannot recollect the location of the old church where this inscription is.. I will try to dig up the old article and find the location of the church and I will post it. 4) The Coptic Orthodox Archives has records of Patriarch Theodore of Alexandria ordaining a Jacobite Bishop for India in AD 695. The Coptic Orthodox Church was clearly Oriental Orthodox (Jacobite) in faith. By AD 695 traveling to Antioch for ordination was difficult due to Islamic conquests and traveling to Alexandria was easier. Also the priest in this video himself refers to Coonan Cross Oath being triggered by the mistreatment of Mar Ahathalla a Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Bishop who came to India from Alexandria.
@@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox I agree with almost all statements you have said but, most native sources state that we were under the Nestorians. The Niranam Ganthravai says so, syriac loans used in Malayalam use east syriac (like mishiha,not mishiho)and the Patriarch Timothy himself states that India was under his control....Now to Nestorianism.......The Church of the East actually rejected this heresy during the time of Mar Babbai,who even composed anti nestorian songs like sagadidan mar....And the syro to 0 is actually a nice analogy u give since it is accurate but out liturgy is actually pretty de latinised. I even compared it to the liturgy of the Assyrian Church of the East and the only real difference is that they insert a lot of prayers that were added by Catholicoses and lack a consecration. They also use leaven bread and only use 1 altar,and the sermon is at different times....(btw the syro malabar church in Thrissur/Ernukuluam is a different story.......with synods like the recent one that will change.) It's not the liturgy that's latinised but the gestures the priest makes like facing the people for 1 half of the prayers and such
You guys are actual new guys who went with portughese but diplomatically made yourself old faction. We are the old guys that's why we still have Syriac literature... Now you guys almost don't have Syriac in use 😆
@@chistony123 where in your prayers are Syriac literature or hymns. I have been to more than 10 masses of syro Malabar not even one has Syriac songs or hymns in them.. so you guys are the one who left for the portughese or Dutch missionary or british. Forgot the coonan cross oath?
@@josephsm4661 how much you studied our syriac mass.dont speak foolishness .i thought u know something thats why i replied ...new guys....what is that mr.we dont use syriac now, becoz our syriac mass was there till 1970's and the crowd who attend the mass ,had been so long accustomed to the local language and poor people didnt learn syriac except the preists.I am in the middle of thiruvalla chry,where i have opening to all mahjor churches.i know clearly each thing happened.Our ancestors eventhough they belonged to chry diocese as its far, they went to jacobaya churches till our own church came nearby.i just told the fact ,for that ,that you follow west syriac liturgy after the split,thats why its puthen koor,for that answer dont speak childishness
അടിസ്ഥാനരഹിതമായ കുറെ കെട്ടുകഥകൾ ആണ് Christianity. Namboothiri converted, St. Thomas baptised etc; Despite having the best communication devices, we hear the manipulated version of an event now a days. The present Christian community, irrespective of its denomination identity follows the European style. The European missionaries civilized the Christian community in kerala. ഇവിടെയുള്ള ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ brothers and sisters ഒരു chance കിട്ടിയാൽ migrate ചെയ്യുന്നത് European countries ലേക്കയ്ക്കാണ്. വിശുദ്ധ നാടായ ഇസ്രായേൽ ലേയ്ക്കല്ല. White Jew എന്ന് പറയുന്നതു പോലെ യുള്ള ഒരു nonsense ആണ് ഈ തോമശ്ലിഹാ/ നമ്പൂതിരി പാരമ്പര്യം. European countries ലേക്ക് migrate ചെയ്ത Jews lost their Asian identity. Cross breeding നടന്നു എന്നുള്ളതിനുള്ള വലിയ തെളിവാണ് ഈ white jew എന്ന പ്രയോഗം. അതു പോലെ താലി കെട്ടുന്ന സമ്പ്രദായം ഇപ്പോഴും അനുസരിയ്ക്കുന്ന, മന്ത്രകോടി വധുവിന്റെ തലേക്കുടെ ഇടുന്ന സമ്പ്രദായം atleast തൃശൂർ ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ സമുദായങ്ങളിൽ നിലവിൽ ഉണ്ട്. ഏത് പൗരസ്ത്യ രാജ്യത്തിലാണ് ഈ വക സമ്പ്രദായങ്ങൾ നിലവിലുള്ളത്. കച്ചവടം ചെയ്യാൻ വന്ന ആളുകൾ ഇവിടെയുള്ള സ്ത്രീകളെ പ്രാപിച്ചു ഇവിടെ settle ചെയ്തപ്പോൾ ആ ആളുകളുടെ ജാതിയിലേയ്ക്ക് ഇവിടുത്തെ സ്ത്രീകൾ മാറിയിട്ടുണ്ടാവാം. അല്ലാതെ Israel descendants അല്ല ഇവിടുത്തെ Christians. കേരളത്തിൽ ഉള്ള western style violin players ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ സമുദായത്തിൽ പെട്ടവരാണ്. Western influence is noticebly prominent in Christianity in Kerala. ഈ പ്രഭാഷണം തന്നെ ശ്രദ്ധിക്കുക. പ്രഭാഷകൻ തന്റെ വാക്കുകൾക്ക് due emphasis കിട്ടുന്നതിന് വേണ്ടി English ഭാഷയെയാണ് ആശ്രയി യ്ക്കുന്നത്. ഏതോ ജാമ്പാവാന്റെ കാലത്ത് നടന്ന സംഭവങ്ങൾ അന്വേഷിച്ചു കണ്ടെത്താൻ ശ്രമിയ്ക്കുന്നതിലും നല്ലത് കാണാത്ത ദൈവത്തെയും മതത്തെയും കുപ്പ തൊട്ടിയിൽ ഉപേക്ഷിച് കാണുന്ന മനുഷ്യന്മാരെ സ്നേഹിച്ചു ജീവിയ്ക്ക. അതാണ് മനുഷ്യന്റെ നിലനിൽപ്പിന് നല്ലത്. ബാക്കിയൊക്കെ ഒരു ഉണ്ടച്ചുരൂട്ടാണ്. എന്റെ കൈവശമുള്ള violin 1711 ൽ ഉണ്ടാക്കിയതാണ് എന്ന് തോന്നുന്നു. അത് വായിക്കുമ്പോൾ കിട്ടുന്ന സുഖം പ്രാർത്ഥിയ്ക്കുമ്പോൾ കിട്ടാറില്ല. അതുകൊണ്ട് പ്രാർത്ഥന ഉപേക്ഷിച്ചു, കൂടെ ദൈവത്തെയും. നന്നായി ജീവിയ്ക്കുക. നന്നായി ജീവിയ്ക്കാൻ മറ്റുള്ളവരെ അനുവദിയ്ക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുക അതാണ് സ്വർഗ്ഗം😄
അതിപ്പോ അങ്ങനെ നോക്കുക ആണെങ്കില് പരശുരാമന് മഴു എറിഞ്ഞു കേരളം ഉണ്ടായി എന്നും വാമനന് മാവേലിയെ ചവിട്ടി പാതാളത്തിലേക്ക് വിട്ടു എന്നും ഒക്കെ ഓരോരോ വിശ്വാസം ഉണ്ടല്ലോ. അത് അങ്ങനെ തന്നെ കാണേണ്ട കാര്യം ഇല്ല. പിന്നെ യൂറോപ്യന് രീതി അല്ല നമ്മള് പിന്തുടരുന്നത്. അവരുടെ ഭാഗങ്ങള് ഉൻഡ് എന്നത് ശരിയാണ്. പക്ഷേ ഒട്ടുമിക്ക ആചാരങ്ങളും നമ്മളുടെ തന്നെ ആണ്. ഉദാഹരണം താലി കേട്ടു, പള്ളിയില് വിരി ഇടുന്നത് ഒക്കെ. നമ്പൂതിരി പാരമ്പര്യം ഒക്കെ പോട്ട തെറ്റ് ആണ് എന്നു മെത്രാന്മാര് തന്നെ പറയുന്നുണ്ടല്ലോ. അക്കാലത്ത് ഞെളിയാണ് വേണ്ടി ആരെങ്കിലും ഉണ്ടാക്കിയ കഥാ ആയിരിക്കും. പിന്നെ വെള്ളാപ്പള്ളി നടേശന് ഇടുക്കി മെത്രാന്റെ കാല് വാരിയത് ഓർക്കുന്നില്ലേ 🤣 നന്നായി ജീവിക്കുന്നത് തന്നെ ഒരു പ്രാർഥന അല്ലേ?
മാർ അബ്രഹാം മൂന്ന് പ്രവൃശം തടവീലിട്ടു തടവിൽ നിന്ന് മോചിപികണ മെങ്കിൽ നിങ്ങൾ പാപ്പയെ അങ്ങികരിക്കണം ഇ ല്ലങ്കിൽ നിങ്ങളെ കൊന്നുകളയും എന്ന് പറയുകയും അവശനും ഭഷണമില്ലതജീവീതം രോഗീയും ഷീണീതൻനുമായി മരണത്തിലേക്ക് നിങ്ങുകയും ചെയുതും ഒരികല്ലു ം മാർ അബ്രഹം പാപ്പയക്ക് അനുകൂലമിയിട്ട് കീഴടങ്ങിയിട്ടില്ല അതീന് ഒരൂതെളിവോ രേഖയോ കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭയുടെകയിൽ ഇല്ല എന്നാൽ ആയിരം രം തെളിവുകൾ കൽദയ സഭയുടെ കയിലുണ്ട്
Catholic is the unity of 22 Eastern church(including syro malabar) and 1western church, and it have the kaldaya church. First , plz study full about the Catholic Church and orthodox church(Eastern church).at the beginning of the church, there is a unity and communion between the western churchs and Eastern churches for first 1000 years. After 1050 AD, the unity between rome and Constantinople was divided and removed the all ties and communion between these to churches.That is the real fact behind the western and Eastern church. The''koonam kurish'' sathyagraham and other things was occured after a long years after the 1050 AD. The reality is that, the division is not good. After a long years, some Eastern and western churches understand this reality. And they become reunioned. According to a syro malabar church(Eastern church), it showing Eastern liturgy (that's like orthodox church) with have all ties and communion with rome or western church. If you have any doubt about about this , plz check it in Google or any other ways. "May God bless you and your family" Thank you 🙏💕 🙏
And you know one thing. What is the meaning of Catholic?. The word "Catholic"means "universal"or Catholic Church other wise called as universal church. And it is the unified church
Roman Catholic Church is not Syro Malabar Church. But in Kerala the Syro Malabar church is representing themselves as Roman Catholics. How dare the Bishops and priests are giving such a wrong information in the society
@@bibinbiju1342 Syro - Malabar church is one of the 23 independent church which is having full communion with Rome. This doesn't mean that it is Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church refers to Latin Liturgy. But Syro- Malabar church is one of the 23 eastern church. It is known to be Syrian Catholic or Syro- Malabar Catholic having its own liturgy which is different from the Roman Rite.
@@sudhishpearson4134 The Syro-Malabar Church is not "independent". The latest example of that is how the Roman Pope was able to remove the head of the Syro-Malabar Church Mar Alenchery from the administatiion of the Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese and was able to appoint a Papal Administrator (Mar Manathodath) for the Archdiocese of Ernakulam-Angamaly. This is just one of the more recent proof that Syro-Malabar is not an independent church; but a Church 100% under the authority of the Latin Roman Catholic church, still practicing Roman Catholic pieties like Rosary, Novenas, Eucharistic Adoration.etc. I can list many more proofs if you wish. I wish it was an independent Church; but it sure is not now.
@Av Joseph I have to disagree with you. There is no need to use the name of St.Thomas if the intention is to grab money. Actually the modern day Syro-Malabar Church is on the right path.. but not fully there in its de-latinization path.
Why we can’t stay away from Latin that is under the Rome. And stand alone since we have a great past from saint Thomas. Let us get separated from Roman hierarchy. Why the holy See is involving in our angamaly ernakulam diocese issues. We have our traditions, we evolved from Malabar of great kerala. Our system need to be changed why we need to depend the Holy See all this.
Thank you for the very informative presentation. Just a remark: the name "Puthenkuru" did not originate with the Koonan Cross oath, but, later when the Bishop from Antioch visited Kerala and part of those who took the oath accepted him and he ordained, Arch Deacon, Itti Thoman as Bishop for those who paid allegiance to the West Syrian Antiochian Church.
Kudos for your deep understanding of the church history. A wonderful presentation with brilliant illustration. At least our church has leader in Rome who is widely admired even by non-Christians and even atheists as an embodiment of mercy and love. Which other church can claim it.
Most part of the narrative is outside the syllabus of history of Syro-Malabar Church. The listeners will be left with more questions than the answers.
The learned author was struggling to establish that St Thomas arrived in AD 52 in absence of documentary evidence except some indirect and circumstantial evidence.
However, the author is sure that the Syrian migration led by Knanaya Thoma occured in AD 345 although all the evidences are to the contrary.
Syro Malabar Catholics are Nasranis by ethnicity, Catholics by faith and East Syriacs by liturgy.
Proud to belong to one of the oldest christian communities in the world
Your comment reminds me of a quote of Mar Podipara Ouseph Placid Malpan, "We are hindu (Indian) by birth, Catholic in faith, and Oriental in worship".
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
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Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who turned away from their own Church and subjugated themselves to western syriac Jacobite patriarch.
@@bernardthome9003 Dear Syro-Malabar came into existence only in 1923.
@@bernardthome9003 Maybe you can say, a faction of Malankara Christians subjugated to the Latin Church and became part of the Roman Catholic Church and was governed by Latin bishops of Kerala up until 1923 when Syro-Malabar church was formed.
The other faction became Jacobites.
Proud Marthoma Nasrani💪🏻syro malabar ❤️
*Thank you most reverend father, you have defended the truth.*
The jacobites , Orthodox and other west Syriac puthenkoor Mar thoma Christian communities have always been and continue twisting the truth and manipulating history to legitimise their position. They now fight for churches in courts and put shame for entire christendom.
1.The church of malabar (st. Thomas christians) shared communion with Catholic Church till the Council of Ephesus in AD 431. It reestablished the communion at the council of chalcedon in AD 451.
2. The church of malabar was under the jurisdiction of Patriarchate of Babylon (functioning from the twin Sassanid capital cities of Seleucia-Ctesiphon.) But the day to day affairs were handled by the archdeacon.
3. It had no administrative relations with the Church of Antioch. The Church of Babylon and Church of Antioch had no liturgical and ecclesiastical relations.
4. The liturgy of East Syriac Church is unique. It uses the liturgy of Sts. Addai and Mari. It is different from that of jacobites.
5. The jacobites created the maphrianate of East only in the 6th century and it aimed in robbing the church of Babylon out of its followers.
6. The church of St. Thomas christians has always remained Catholic except from 431 to 451 AD.
7. The jacobite church destroyed the culture and heritage of the Puthenkoor fraction of the Church of Malabar by replacing their east Syriac language and liturgy with the foreign West syriac Antiochene rite.
Syromalabhar lost everything... Now what is that you guys trying for?
@@josephsm4661 Syro Malabar hasn't lost anything. It's malankaras who have lost heritage.😆😆😆
Ho shame on Catholics twisting history as you guys always did.
Beautiful analogies.... Loss of memory so accept what priest say as much as priest remember ...
onuu podaa kopee.. n ethadaa
Puthenkoottu Metran kakshy
Puthan koorukaar commentil muzhuvan thoori mezhukuka aanallo! kashtam!
After Christ's resurrection He gave the great commission to his Apostles (including Thomas) to go out into the world and proclaim the Good News (the Gospel) to all the nations. The reason for the Apostle Thomas to arrive in India was because of a Jewish community that lived on the Malabar coast. Coins recovered from Kerala strongly support the idea of a flourishing Indian trade in spices with Arabia, Rome, China and other East Asian countries in the first century. It is reasonable to assume that Thomas started his ministry with the proclamation of the Messianic kingdom to Jews and then the natives. The writings of the Early Church Fathers, the oral traditions of the Malabar Christians, and archaeological findings support the narrative of evangelization of the natives particularly of South India (Kerala) in the first century by Thomas, the Apostle of Christ.
Hymns of St. Ephrem (4th century), a beloved saint from Syria describes the martyrdom of Apostle Thomas in India. Early Christian writings of the third and fourth century about the missionary work in south eastern coast of India lend credence to the traditions that India had a strong Christian presence since the first century. Eusebius of Caesaria (4th century), a church historian and Bishop, wrote in his book Ecclesiastical history that Pantaneus visited India in 180 AD and says that he found a Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew, left with the Christians there by St. Bartholomew. St. Jerome in his writings mentions a deputation sent from India to Alexandria. This deputation requested Demetrius (127-232 AD), the bishop of Alexandria (Egypt), to send Clement of Alexandria (150 AD- 215 AD) to India. These writings point to a Christian community existing in the first and second centuries in Kerala (India). As per the traditions of the St. Thomas Christians, Thomas established seven churches in south India. Today there are above 4 million St. Thomas Christians belonging to various denominations (Syro-Malabar Catholic, Syro-Malankara Catholic, Syrian Orthodox, Jacobite, Mar Thoma Church etc) in South India. Cosmas the Monk was a Greek merchant from Alexandria of Egypt who wrote in his travelogue (Cosmas Indicopleustes ) about his travel to India in the 6th-century during the reign of emperor Justinian. In 522 AD, he visited the Malabar Coast (South India) and was the first traveller to mention Suriyani Christians in present-day Kerala in India. He wrote, "In the Island of Taprobane (Ceylon), there is a church of the Christians, and clerks and faithful. Likewise at Malé where the pepper grows; and in the town of Kalliana (Maharashtra). The present Day Kalyan where Comas used to rule, there is also a bishop consecrated in Persia."
The apocryphal Acts of Judas Thomas narrate Thomas, the Apostle, travelling to the court of Gondophares I, the Indo-Parthian ruler. From archeological findings in Taxila (Pakistan) Gondophares ruled from 19 to 46 AD. In the excavated Palace of Gondophores, the guide at the place point out, that in addition to Jain and Buddhist worship places in the area there is also a baptismal font which Thomas would have used for his conversions. This suggests the route Thomas would have taken from Jerusalem to Persia and finally into India through Taxila (Pakistan).
All the christians in Kerala except the Anglican churches and Roman Catholic churches are Marthoma Christians. Roman Catholic churches are also known as Latin Catholic churches coz the official liturgy of Roman Catholic Church is in Latin.
But the Syro- Malabar church is also part of that Vatican based Roman Latin church . You can not change that tag from you any more unless you come out of that foreign Latin yoke. Same thing happens with the Syro- Malankara Catholic church also. I do not know why they celebrate sabha-punarikya-dinam. It should be the ancient syriac church-vitta-dinam. Idiots ! You should have thought about it in 1599 AD and again you had another opportunity in 1653 AD! . The ancient Kerala church was neither started by St. Thomas nor was it under the Latin Pope till the portugese arrival. Of course there were Latin catholics in some parts of Kerala even before the arrival of the Portugese.
Why we can’t stay away from Latin that is under the Rome. And stand alone since we have a great past from saint Thomas. Let us get separated from Roman hierarchy. Why the holy See is involving in our angamaly ernakulam diocese issues. We have our traditions, we evolved from Malabar of great kerala. Our system need to be changed why we need to depend the Holy See all this.
Please mention Lord JESUS and the
Word of God.
ആദ്യ പുനര്യ്ക്യം നടന്നത് 1921 ഒക്ടോബർ 29 നു ആണ്. കോട്ടയം രൂപത മെത്രാനായ മാർ അലക്സാണ്ടർ ചൂളപറമ്പിൽ മുൻകൈയെടുത്തു ക്നാനായ യാക്കോബായിൽ നിന്നും കുറച്ചാൾക്കാർ ഒറ്റതൈക്കൽ തോമസ് അച്ചന്റെ കൂടെ കത്തോലിക്ക സഭയിലേക്ക് പുനര്യക്യപ്പെട്ടു. അതും കഴിഞ്ഞു ഒൻപത് വർഷങ്ങൾക്കു ശേഷമാണു മാർ ഇവനിയോസ് പുനർഐക്യപ്പെട്ടത്.
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
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Wrong.
Jacobites are a fraction of Syro Malabars who went with Jacobite bishop Abdul Jaleel in 1665.
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Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
Nice Christian Church history
Proud to be syro Malabar..
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
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Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Catholic Church and merged into Jacobite Church of Arabia and Syria
@@bernardthome9003 Syro Malabar was formed in 1930s.
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Hahaha...
Jacobites was formed in 2002 and is over by 2017
@@johndonnelly1376 no that's the syro malankara church * both are from kerala but we have different histories
Good explanation about the history of syro malabar church
Syro-Malabar history begins in 1923. Before it was Malankara church.
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Jacobite history begins in 2002 and ends in 2017 court verdict
@@johndonnelly1376 no John, I'm assuming you're white and couldn't understand fr cherian, but the syro malabar church used to be part of the church of the east and then went into communion with rome due to portugese colonialism. During the colonial era, the portugese blocked indian access to east syraic bishops, and because of this non catholic st thomas christians ended up getting the wrong bishops they got west syriac bishops instead- these are the malankara and jacobite orthodox. But all of our histories (syro malabar, syro malankara, malankara orthodox, jacobite orthodox,marthoma etc ) have our history beginning in 52 ad with the arrival of st thomas the apostle.
There was no name as Syrian catholic before 1890s...
1890 nu munpu nee ondaairunno athu paryaaan!!!!!!😄😆😆
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 then you prove there was Syrian Catholic before that in Kerala ? Prove it boss! Show your proof before you keep playing emotional tactics and trying hard to provoke... Wise men are build out of iron and nerves of steel. Show the proof that Syrian Catholic was there before 1890.. there is Catholic from 15th century but not Syrian Catholic. However , you show the proof!
@@josephsm4661
I don't need to prove it as it is already proven by history. Don't rattle this hard when your lies and forgery are hit hard by the truth. You puthenkoots have manipulated each and everything and made the reunion impossible. You left the traditions, language and faith and surrendered to the foreign jacobite patriarch who doesn't have any legitimate position in the St.Thomas' church of Malabar.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 History proved that for power money and benefits people will betray. I am not rattling, you are! You are very uncomfortable so far! You made the claims.. thieves.. liar... Now under foreign rule... So you got to prove it! Otherwise it's all your emotional opinions... We are not under any foreign rule.. we are independent Indiana orthodox church since 1912. Jacobites left us in 1975. So now we are completely independent but in close relation ship with all 4 oriental orthodox churches and maintain cordial relations with rest of the others. But when someone makes false claims by presenting such videos we will respond.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 we are the only once with the St Thomas roots holding to honesty and commitment to forefathers. All the others left with other foreigners. Show me one church unit in India independent like us? One is Marthoma, they left us in 1890. Syro malabhar left us in 1565, approx. Some left to form Latin Catholics and some left to be part of Roman Catholics. And still people are going to pentacoast, heavenly feats and so on. Malanakara Catholic left in 1930. Jacobites left then came back and then left for ever. Syro malabhar left under Portuguese pressure, and came under governship of De Menzes pope of Goa... Who is hiding and rattling?
There was only one church in Kerala from St Thomas arrrival in Kerala till the Portuguese came.
The present day Catholics are the ones who slavishly accepted the Portughese religion and were agents who agreed with burning of documents in Udayamperur.
Now don't try to twist history , just like Fr. mMulackal
Good explanation about the history of strong malabar church
Keralathinte... history padikku......athil... വളരെ വകത്യം എഴുതിയിട്ടുണ്ട്....സ്റ്റ്. തോമസ് എന്നു ഒരാൾ കേരള ത്തിൽ vannittil എന്നു. Pne a time il a kearala തിൻ്റ details full തരുന്ന books annu sangakala കൃതികൾ ഓക്ക്. Please study കേരളാ ഹിസ്റ്ററി.....fr.
Catholics have a false notion that the Catholic Church is the original church. It is not correct. It is evident from the fact that Roman or Catholic church is not seen mentioned anywhere in the bible. But see the Acts.11/26 wherein it is stated that Jesus's disciples assembled at Antioch and were first known as Christians. Antioch church is mentioned at several occasions in the Bible. The holy Bible compiled in the first two three centuries is also a brief account of the contemporary world.
In fact the Catholic church emerged around 324 AD by the efforts of emperor Constantine. Hence it is very clear that the Antioch church is the first church in the world and will remain so as long as there is Holy bible.
Hahaha...
Two books of the New Testament, namely the Gospel of St. Mark and the first Epistle of St. Paul are addressed to the Church of Rome. The Acts of the Apostles concludes with St. Pauls journey to the Church of Rome.
Saint Ignatius , Patriarch of Antioch, calls the Church of Rome the presider in love.
St. Chrysostom who hails from Antioch says, Although we(Antiochians) recieved the Prince of the Apostles (St. Peter) as our Bishop, we couldn't keep him forever, but we had to give him up to the Royal Rome.
@@bernardthome9003
Please tell me the exact text where the Bible says as stated by you. Actually, nothing of that sort
@@bernardthome9003 There's literally letters in the bible addressed to the Roman church, along with mentions of the successors of Peter, Linus and Clement in the letters of St Paul to Timothy and Phillipians. This "Constantine founded the church" nonsense is demonstrably false revision of history created by heretics and the children of the devil who is the father of lies.
@@thomaskoshy3874 The Catholic church gave you the bible- The Council of Rome was a Synod which took place in Rome in AD 382, under the leadership of Pope Damasus I, the Bishop of Rome. The only surviving conciliar pronouncement may be the Decretum Gelasianum. The Decretum Gelasianum contains a canon of Scripture, which was issued by the Council of Rome under Pope Damasus in 382, and which is identical with the list given at the Council of Trent.
@@jacobraji2442
My contention is simple. If the Catholics gave the Bible, why the Roman/ Catholic Church or Papacy is not seen mentioned in the Bible? It is somewhat presenting the history of Indian independence without mentioning a word about Gandhi. If a Catholic Church existed in the early period, it would have been definitely mentioned in the Bible.
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
@@bernardthome9003 Syro Malabar came into existence in the 1900s.
What you are referring to is the faction which joined Roman Catholic church. Why? Portuguese were against Nestorian Christians in Kerala as they were against veneration of Saint Mary, they did not believe Mary as mother of God. So, the Portuguese who were faithful to Mary, forcefully brought a faction under their control.
If so called Syrian Christians adore Saint Mary, it is because of Portuguese Latin missionaries.
@@johndonnelly1376
Hahaha... Jacobites were established in 2002 and the spark started since 1665. Malankara Orthodox was established in 1912.
Portuguese were against everyone other than they themselves. They went against the Pope.
Syro Malabar Church existed before 1599 as the Dyophisite, East Syriac Rite Church in Communion with the Patriarch of Babel, Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and Pope of Rome. After 1599, the church was brought under Archbishop of goa, in favour of colonial interests.
@@bernardthome9003 Brother, do some research on Nestorianism and Nestorians in Kerala. You would be surprised, there is a qudasha for Mar Nestorius in the Syro Malabar Church.
@@bernardthome9003 Syro Malabarians won't be praying Holy Mary, Mother of God... if it wasn't for the Portuguese.
It is a shame that Mar Nestorius is still adored in Syro Malabar even after subjecting to Papal (Latin) authority.
Nice
പരിശുദ്ധ പിതാവിനെ പോലെ റോമിലെ വികാരി..... യോ....
സഭയുടെ ചരിത്രം വിവരം തന്നതിൽ അഭിനന്ദനം. ലോക൦ എങ്ങും പോയി സകല സ്ർിഷ്ടികളോടു൦ സുവിശേഷം പ്രസംഗിച്ചുകൊണ്ടു ജ്ജനനസ്നാനം നൽകി സഭയോട്, ദെെവത്തിലേക്ക് ആളെ കൊണ്ടു വരാൻ ആഹ്വാനം ചെയ്ത നാഥനോട് വിശ്വസ്തത പുലർത്തി മുന്നോട്ടു സഭ വളരണ൦. ആദ്യം വന്നവർക്കു൦, അവസാനം വന്നവർക്കു൦ ഒരേ കൂലി കൊടുത്തു തമ്പുരാൻ. വിശുദ്ധ പാരമ്പര്യം മുറുകെ പിടിച്ചു എല്ലാവരെയും ക്രിസ്തുവിൽ ഒന്നായി കാണുക. പാരമ്പര്യം ആളുകളെ അകറ്റാനുള്ള കാരണം ആകരുതു.
ദളിതനെ ഒക്കെ ഈ സഭയിൽ എടുക്കുമോ ? അതുപോട്ടെ ജനറ്റിക് ടെസ്റ്റ് നടത്തിയാൽ ശുദ്ധി എങ്ങനെ തെളിയിക്കും ? ഈ സഭയിൽ അടിമ കച്ചവടം നടന്നിരുന്നു . ഇതേ സമയം കോപ്റ്റിക് സഭ ആഫ്രിക്കയിൽ ഉണ്ട് . തീർത്തുല്യൻ , അത്തനേഷ്യസ് ഒക്കെ സഭാപിതാക്കൾ . അവർ ആഫ്രിക്കാര് ആണ് .
കോട്ടയം രൂപതയുടെ ശ്രമഫലമായാണ്, മാര്പാപ്പ 1921 ജൂലൈ 5 നു കേരള കത്തോലിക്ക സഭയിൽ അന്തയോഖിയാൻ റീത്ത് അനുവദിച്ചത്
Syro-Malabarians are a faction of Jacobites who severed ties and vowed allegiance to the Latin Church, and was later granted an archdiocese of their own in 1923 (Ernakulam Angamaly Arch Diocese) and autonomy in 1993.
@@johndonnelly1376 who is the faction? Who followed the actual paramparyam those days? Who carried the paramparyam and littergy with them? Debatable and could be argued
@@bibinkuruvilla9350 വട്ടി പലിശ കേസ് റിസർച്ച് ചെയ്യൂ
@@johndonnelly1376
Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
❤️ *Marthoma Nasrani* ❤️
Kallacharithram
Puthan koorukaroke innale ondayathanu 10 il 9 um,ennal manorama ondakikodtha putya kathemaya avaru nadakunne,ethayalum thanks to history.
Kurumulak anveshich vannavar local church ne catholicchurch nu keezhil aakki
Every local church is an integral part of the One,Holy ,Apostolic and Catholic Church.
Cheriya thettund. Kurumulak anveshich vannavar Kaldaya catholikkare latin catholicate inte keezhil aakki.
പേർഷൃൻസഭയെ എത് സമയുത്തും കല്ലേ റിഞ്ഞുനടക്കുകയും കിട്ടിയ അവസരത്തിൽ കടലിൽ മുക്കികൊല്ലുകയും ചെയിന്ന മനൃമാരാണ് സീറോമലബാർ സഭകാർ ഉദ കൽദയ സഭയെ മുക്കികൊന്നു നിങ്ങൾ ആദൃം ചെയേണ്ടത് ചവറ അച്ചൻ നേയല്ല വാസ്ഗോ ടിഗാമയെ വിശുദ്ധ നാക്കാമായിയീരുന്നു വാസ്ഗോടിഗാമ വന്നില്ലയിന്നെങ്കിൽ കേരളത്തിൽ റോമ സഭ ഉണ്ടാകുമില്ല
വിവരമില്ലായ്മ കുറ്റകരമല്ല.പക്ഷെ അതൊരലങ്കാരമായി കൊണ്ട് നടക്കരുത്!
Correct
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@Prince Jones
Bishop Jordanus Cathalani was the Latin bishop of Kollam,about 200 years before the advent of Vasco da Gama and the Portuguese
ചരിത്രത്തെ തെറ്റായി വളച്ചൊടിച്ചു പാരമ്പര്യം നേടാൻ ശ്രെമിക്കരുത് . 1653കൂനൻ കുരിശു സത്യം ശേഷം, മലങ്കര മാർത്തോമാ 1മൻ te കൂടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന പറമ്പിൽ ചാണ്ടി കത്തനാർ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാരുടെ സ്ഥാനമാനങ്ങൾ മോഹിച്ചു 1663ൽ മലങ്കര സഭയിൽ നിന്നും മറുകണ്ടം ചാടി സ്ഥാപിച്ച സഭ syro മലബാർ എന്നേ ഭാരതീയ ക്രൈസ്തവ ചരിത്രം ശെരിയായ രീതിയിൽ പഠിക്കുബോൾ കാണുവാൻ സാധിക്കുകയുള്ളു . പിന്നീട് ഈവാനിയോസ് തിരുമേനി വീണ്ടും 1930ചരിത്രം ആവർത്തിച്ചു. മലങ്കര കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ സ്ഥാപിച്ചു.
Orthodox are the converts. They converted faith and liturgy.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 how?
Parampil Chandy did it to malankara nasranis. The real traitor.
@@nevinjohn
Marthoma 1 and itty are the real traitors. You have entirely mistaken. They forged lies and broke laws framed by ecumenical councils. They surrendered their faith and liturgy to the foreign antiochene jacobite patriarch just on the lust for power.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 catholics were the foreign power.
Historians and common people will know who the real traitors were. Roman Catholic sheeps won't admit it.
@@nevinjohn
Catholics were not foreign. Catholics were us.
Jacobites, orthodox, knanaya, Chaldean are the actual old Syrian Christians.. the rest all went to catholic church under pope.
Why do you dislike the west so much? Syro-malabar is still a community of "actual old syrian Christians". Union with the wider catholic and apostolic church, and the acceptance of the successor of Peter doesn't take away from our Syrian roots, it only develops it.
@@jacobraji2442 did I say I dislike syro malabhar? No I didn't. I said syro malabhar no longer holds the traditional liturgy. I have nothing against West, nor do I have special love for west. I learned history well and I ought not repeat the mistakes of my forefathers of being submissive to poor leadership. Syro Malabar and its people have freedom to be with what they want but when someone corrupts are our history then we should state clearly till it gets registered in peoples head.
@@jacobraji2442 syro malabhar is no more related to old Syrian Christians, it's related Roman catholics - fact!
@@josephsm4661 But you do understand that the claim you make is simply false. Have you even been to a latin mass? They are not the same. Have you been to a traditional syro malabar mass spoken in the language of the old Syrian Christians? You can't seperate the tree from it's roots. I'm not denying that you all are old Syrian Christians due to the same logic.
@@josephsm4661 We are related to both the Roman Catholic church and the old syrian Christians. You are trying to seperate us from our heritage.
ഒരു ശരിയായ സംവാദത്തിന്റെ തുറവി പുലർത്തുന്നില്ല. ഏറ്റവും അത്യാവശ്യം നേരും നെറിവുമാണല്ലോ
അച്ചൻ പറഞ്ഞ പ്രകാരം തോമ്മാ ശ്ലീഹായുടെ കാലം മുതൽ 300 വർഷക്കാലം ഇവിടെ നമ്മൾ കുർബ്ബാനയില്ലാതെ കഴിഞ്ഞു എന്നാണ് വരുന്നത്. കാരണം നമുക്കൊരു ക്രമം ഇല്ലായിരുന്നു, അങ്ങനെ ഒന്ന് രൂപപ്പെടുത്താൻ പറ്റിയില്ലത്രേ. നമ്മൾ ഏതായാലും സുറിയാനിക്കാർ അല്ലായിരുന്നു. അങ്ങനെയിരിക്കെ കൽദായകച്ചവടക്കാർ വന്നപ്പോൾ അവരുടെ കൈയ്യിൽ സുറിയാനി ക്രമം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു. നമ്മൾ അത് ഇരു കൈയ്യും നീട്ടി സ്വീകരിച്ചു. നമ്മൾ അത്രക്ക് തുറന്ന മനസ്സുള്ളവരായിരുന്നുവത്രേ. ഇങ്ങനെ പറയുന്നിടത്ത് ഒരു ചേർച്ചക്കുറവില്ലേ?
പിന്നെ പതിനാറാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിൽ ലത്തീൻ ക്രമം വന്നപ്പോൾ നമ്മുടെ തുറവി ഒക്കെ പോയി. വലിയ എതിർപ്പായി. നിർബന്ധിച്ച് ഇടത്തു നിന്ന് വലത്തോട്ട് കുരിശ് വരപ്പിച്ചതു കൊണ്ട് നമ്മൾ വലത്തു നിന്ന് ഇടത്തേക്കേ വരയ്ക്കൂ എന്ന്. ഈ നിർബന്ധത്തിന് വഴങ്ങി പഴയകൂറല്ലേ കൂടെ നിന്നുള്ളു. പുത്തൻകൂറ് പുറത്തുപോയില്ലേ. പക്ഷെ അവരും ഇടത്തു നിന്ന് വലത്തോട്ടാണല്ലോ വരക്കുന്നത്.
ആഗോള സഭയിലും, കേരളത്തിലും എല്ലാവരും ഇടത്തു നിന്ന് വലത്തോട് വരക്കുന്നു. അതിനിടയിൽ, നമുക്കു പോലും ഏകാഭിപ്രായത്തിലെത്താൻ സാധിക്കാത്ത , ഒരു മേന്മയും ഗുണവും തരാത്ത ഒരു രീതി വാശി പിടിച്ച് സ്വീകരിച്ച് , അക്കാര്യത്തിലെങ്കിലുമുള്ള ഐക്യരൂപ്യം ഇല്ലാണ്ടാക്കി, സ്വയം പരിഹാസ്യരാകണമോ?
പഠനങ്ങളും, സംവാദങ്ങളും ഐക്യത്തിന്റെ സാധ്യതകൾ, സ്വന്തം സഭയിലും, മറ്റ് വ്യക്തിസഭകളുമായും, കണ്ടെത്താനാണോ, അതയോ ഭിന്നത വർധിപ്പിക്കാനാണോ?
നമ്മൾ എന്തു സന്ദേശമാണ് വളരുന്ന തലമുറക്കും സമൂഹത്തിനും കൊടുക്കുന്നത്.?
വിലയില്ലാത്ത കാര്യങ്ങൾക്കു വേണ്ടി, വിലപ്പെട്ട ഐക്യവും കൂട്ടായ്മയും നഷ്ടപ്പെടുത്തുമ്പോൾ ദൈവത്തിന്റെ മുമ്പിൽ സ്വീകാര്യത ഉണ്ടാവുമോ?
ഈ ലോകത്തിൽ കയ്യടിയും സ്ഥാനമാനങ്ങളും കിട്ടുമായിരിക്കും.
ഇങ്ങനെയാണോ ലോകത്തിന്റെ വെളിച്ചവും ഭൂമിയുടെ ഉപ്പുമായി വിളിക്കപ്പെട്ടവർ പ്രവർത്തിക്കേണ്ട ത് ?
കാരണവന്മാരായിട്ട് പടിപ്പിക്കുന്നത് അങ്ങനെ തന്നെ പോകട്ടെ. എന്നെ എന്റെ വലിയപ്പൻ വലതു നിന്നു ഇടത്തേക്കു വരയ്ക്കാന് ആണ് പടിപ്പിച്ചത്. പള്ളിയില് നേരെ തിരിച്ചും. ഞാന് എന്തായാലും എന്റെ കൊച്ചിനെ എന്റെ കാരണവന്മാര് പടിപ്പിച്ച പോലെ തന്നെ വരയ്ക്കാന് ആണ് പടിപ്പിച്ചത്.
Mistake, mistake, mistake 1498 Roman Catholic people hijacked Bharat Christianity then this cult teaching is coming to Kerala
Christianity was started In Jerusalem All people gathering there .most of them from Kerala.
Then they came back and started Christianity here.
Alex D Manassas is the criminal burning all the books forcefully.
1599
Is the death date of Christianity
Started divorce
Homosexually
Non biblical teaching
St Mary church names
cry hard puthen kurish society vaname.. 1652 kattaaraby orthodox church established by heretic aka pahsandi sevarious hijacked East syriac christians
To some extent the history carries some accuracy. However, the history about the arrival of St. Thomas is obscure and the apostle is only believed to have come to kerala and no substantial proof for that. Nevertheless, we don’t forget the acknowledgment of pope that st. Thomas has not visited kerala but has passed by the old Burma ( New pakistan). . Despite the public acknowledgement, the so called marthoma Christians are still believing in st. Thomas origination.
There are enough historical aspects proving the arrival of St. Thomas in Kerala .
Unfortunately, there are no manuscripts available in India, but there are old manuscripts at Edessa which detail his journey to India. Some of the supporting factors are the presence of the Aramaic speaking Jewish community, the active trade between India and the middle east, etc.
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 How about Saint Bartholomew?
@@johndonnelly1376
Jacobites are a faction of Syro-Malabars who severed their ties with the Pazhayakoor Church and joined the Jacobite Oriental orthodox in 1665 . The current Jacobite Church is formed in 2002 and lost its legal status in 2017
we have tradition to tell us that st thomas really did come to kerala, the tradition of our ancestors and the tradition of our church fathers. don't let latin and bjp propaganda get to you. Also pope benedict is not the authority on the life of st thomas, popes have mispoke multiple times and he wasn't speaking ex cathedra either
Almost true ... Appreciate for being almost accurate with history ...I belong to orthodox and I find the history almost correct but some twist has been made.. i
what twist?
@@elvisgeorge9613 The twist is that this priest implies that the East Syrian Bishops used to come to Kerala being approved by the Pope of Rome. The fact is that the East Syrian Church was an independent Church under the Catholicose. The Roman missionaries were able to create divisions in the East Syrian Church and create a "Reeth" under the Pope only in 1553. The pre-Portughese Marthoma Christians were not Chaldean Catholics under the pope but in communion with the Independent Church of the East. The second twist is that this priest makes and assumption that there were no East Syrian Jacobite. Within the Church of the East, there were those who followed Nestorian beliefs and those who followed Oriental Orthodox beliefs. The head of the Orthodox Church of the East was known as the Maphrian. If the Jacobite belief was unknown in pre-Portughese Kerala, why would Kerala Christians be so upset about not being able to receive Mar Ahathalla a Jacobite Bishop ? This priest has also said his-story.
@@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox OK? What about Mar Joseph Sulaqa and Mar Abraham. Both were Chaldean Catholics. You are also incorrect about the Church of the East. The Church of the East was a NESTORIAN church. Many Syriac Orthodox theologians litterally dedicated their lives for condeming Nestorian beliefs. And about the Jacobite contact.....While contact between the 2 churches did occur,many sources (Including the Niranam Ganthravi) state we were under the Church of the East. The only reasons why we were upset was because we did not want to go under the Portuguese. I myself would of rather joined the Jacobites but because I was from Chalakudy my ancsestors joined the Syro Malabar church. :( TBH,what's up with these metran kashi extremists who are totally convinced they're the true Nasrani because they are a "Swadeshi Sabha" (Not saying you are but I do see a trend like this.)
@@elvisgeorge9613 reply 2 about the Jacobite Church of the East.
1) The vast majority of the Church of the East was NESTORIAN in faith. And you are absolutely right that Syriac Orthodox (JACOBITE) theologians consider NESTORIAN faith to be a huge heresy because it considers two different persons in Christ that of Humanity and Divinity as two separate things. They attribute some aspects of what Christ did to his humanity and some aspects to his divinity. This is why in the Church of the East they would only talk of the virgin Mary as Yaldath Mishiha (Mother of the anointed one). In the Oriental Orthodox faith (referred to as Jacobite faith) held on to by the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch and the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria; the Christology is miaphysite. In this faith Christ is one person; and hence would refer to the virgin Mary as Yaldath Aloho (Mother of God). Though this would appear to be subtle the Syriac Orthodox theologians considered this to be a huge deal. Did Virgin Mary give birth to just an "anointed one" or did Virgin Mary carry in her womb and gave birth to "God".
2) The Church of the East was headed by the Catholicose of the East. In the Council of Ephesus (AD 431) the Church of the East split into those who held the Nestorian faith and those who held to the Oriental Orthodox (also referred to as Jacobite) faith. Both groups elected their own Catholicose of the East. To distinguish Oriental Orthodox (Jacobite) Catholicose from the Nestorian Catholicose, he was referred to by the title Maphrian. As there were two ecclesiastical authorities within the Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Church, namely the Patriarch of Antioch and the Maphrian of the East, naturally disputes arose between the two about rights and privileges. In AD 869 a 'Council of Capharthutha' was held to define the relationship between these two ecclesiastical authorities. It is this Maphrianate of the East (Catholicose of the East) that was relocated to India in 1912. It is the question about the validity and rights of this relocated Catholicose of the East, that is the root cause of the Methran Kakshi - Bava kakshi disputes. The much disputed "1934 Constitution" is modeled after the AD 869 Council of Capharthutha in defining the relationship between the Catholicose of the East and the Patriarch of Antioch.
3) Mar Ivanios , the one who defected from the Malankara Orthodox Church in 1933 and is the father of the Syro-Malankara Reeth has written an article "Were Marthoma Nazrani's Nestorians". In this article he goes on to prove that the Oriental Orthodox (Jacobite) faith existed in Kerala in early times and gives the example of an early stone inscription in an old church that refers to Virgin Mary as Yaldath Aloho. Unfortunately I cannot recollect the location of the old church where this inscription is.. I will try to dig up the old article and find the location of the church and I will post it.
4) The Coptic Orthodox Archives has records of Patriarch Theodore of Alexandria ordaining a Jacobite Bishop for India in AD 695. The Coptic Orthodox Church was clearly Oriental Orthodox (Jacobite) in faith. By AD 695 traveling to Antioch for ordination was difficult due to Islamic conquests and traveling to Alexandria was easier.
Also the priest in this video himself refers to Coonan Cross Oath being triggered by the mistreatment of Mar Ahathalla a Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Bishop who came to India from Alexandria.
@@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox I agree with almost all statements you have said but, most native sources state that we were under the Nestorians. The Niranam Ganthravai says so, syriac loans used in Malayalam use east syriac (like mishiha,not mishiho)and the Patriarch Timothy himself states that India was under his control....Now to Nestorianism.......The Church of the East actually rejected this heresy during the time of Mar Babbai,who even composed anti nestorian songs like sagadidan mar....And the syro to 0 is actually a nice analogy u give since it is accurate but out liturgy is actually pretty de latinised. I even compared it to the liturgy of the Assyrian Church of the East and the only real difference is that they insert a lot of prayers that were added by Catholicoses and lack a consecration. They also use leaven bread and only use 1 altar,and the sermon is at different times....(btw the syro malabar church in Thrissur/Ernukuluam is a different story.......with synods like the recent one that will change.) It's not the liturgy that's latinised but the gestures the priest makes like facing the people for 1 half of the prayers and such
You guys are actual new guys who went with portughese but diplomatically made yourself old faction. We are the old guys that's why we still have Syriac literature... Now you guys almost don't have Syriac in use 😆
You are puthenkoor, the western syriac. the old tradition is followed by us the east syriac,yes we diplomaticaly still east syriac like from begining.
@@chistony123 where in your prayers are Syriac literature or hymns. I have been to more than 10 masses of syro Malabar not even one has Syriac songs or hymns in them.. so you guys are the one who left for the portughese or Dutch missionary or british. Forgot the coonan cross oath?
@@josephsm4661 how much you studied our syriac mass.dont speak foolishness .i thought u know something thats why i replied ...new guys....what is that mr.we dont use syriac now, becoz our syriac mass was there till 1970's and the crowd who attend the mass ,had been so long accustomed to the local language and poor people didnt learn syriac except the preists.I am in the middle of thiruvalla chry,where i have opening to all mahjor churches.i know clearly each thing happened.Our ancestors eventhough they belonged to chry diocese as its far, they went to jacobaya churches till our own church came nearby.i just told the fact ,for that ,that you follow west syriac liturgy after the split,thats why its puthen koor,for that answer dont speak childishness
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watch our qurbana ,the music,itself was east syriac
അടിസ്ഥാനരഹിതമായ കുറെ കെട്ടുകഥകൾ ആണ് Christianity. Namboothiri converted, St. Thomas baptised etc; Despite having the best communication devices, we hear the manipulated version of an event now a days. The present Christian community, irrespective of its denomination identity follows the European style. The European missionaries civilized the Christian community in kerala. ഇവിടെയുള്ള ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ brothers and sisters ഒരു chance കിട്ടിയാൽ migrate ചെയ്യുന്നത് European countries ലേക്കയ്ക്കാണ്. വിശുദ്ധ നാടായ ഇസ്രായേൽ ലേയ്ക്കല്ല. White Jew എന്ന് പറയുന്നതു പോലെ യുള്ള ഒരു nonsense ആണ് ഈ തോമശ്ലിഹാ/ നമ്പൂതിരി പാരമ്പര്യം. European countries ലേക്ക് migrate ചെയ്ത Jews lost their Asian identity. Cross breeding നടന്നു എന്നുള്ളതിനുള്ള വലിയ തെളിവാണ് ഈ white jew എന്ന പ്രയോഗം. അതു പോലെ താലി കെട്ടുന്ന സമ്പ്രദായം ഇപ്പോഴും അനുസരിയ്ക്കുന്ന, മന്ത്രകോടി വധുവിന്റെ തലേക്കുടെ ഇടുന്ന സമ്പ്രദായം atleast തൃശൂർ ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ സമുദായങ്ങളിൽ നിലവിൽ ഉണ്ട്. ഏത് പൗരസ്ത്യ രാജ്യത്തിലാണ് ഈ വക സമ്പ്രദായങ്ങൾ നിലവിലുള്ളത്. കച്ചവടം ചെയ്യാൻ വന്ന ആളുകൾ ഇവിടെയുള്ള സ്ത്രീകളെ പ്രാപിച്ചു ഇവിടെ settle ചെയ്തപ്പോൾ ആ ആളുകളുടെ ജാതിയിലേയ്ക്ക് ഇവിടുത്തെ സ്ത്രീകൾ മാറിയിട്ടുണ്ടാവാം. അല്ലാതെ Israel descendants അല്ല ഇവിടുത്തെ Christians. കേരളത്തിൽ ഉള്ള western style violin players ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ സമുദായത്തിൽ പെട്ടവരാണ്. Western influence is noticebly prominent in Christianity in Kerala. ഈ പ്രഭാഷണം തന്നെ ശ്രദ്ധിക്കുക. പ്രഭാഷകൻ തന്റെ വാക്കുകൾക്ക് due emphasis കിട്ടുന്നതിന് വേണ്ടി English ഭാഷയെയാണ് ആശ്രയി യ്ക്കുന്നത്. ഏതോ ജാമ്പാവാന്റെ കാലത്ത് നടന്ന സംഭവങ്ങൾ അന്വേഷിച്ചു കണ്ടെത്താൻ ശ്രമിയ്ക്കുന്നതിലും നല്ലത് കാണാത്ത ദൈവത്തെയും മതത്തെയും കുപ്പ തൊട്ടിയിൽ ഉപേക്ഷിച് കാണുന്ന മനുഷ്യന്മാരെ സ്നേഹിച്ചു ജീവിയ്ക്ക. അതാണ് മനുഷ്യന്റെ നിലനിൽപ്പിന് നല്ലത്. ബാക്കിയൊക്കെ ഒരു ഉണ്ടച്ചുരൂട്ടാണ്. എന്റെ കൈവശമുള്ള violin 1711 ൽ ഉണ്ടാക്കിയതാണ് എന്ന് തോന്നുന്നു. അത് വായിക്കുമ്പോൾ കിട്ടുന്ന സുഖം പ്രാർത്ഥിയ്ക്കുമ്പോൾ കിട്ടാറില്ല. അതുകൊണ്ട് പ്രാർത്ഥന ഉപേക്ഷിച്ചു, കൂടെ ദൈവത്തെയും. നന്നായി ജീവിയ്ക്കുക. നന്നായി ജീവിയ്ക്കാൻ മറ്റുള്ളവരെ അനുവദിയ്ക്കുകയും ചെയ്യുക അതാണ് സ്വർഗ്ഗം😄
അതിപ്പോ അങ്ങനെ നോക്കുക ആണെങ്കില് പരശുരാമന് മഴു എറിഞ്ഞു കേരളം ഉണ്ടായി എന്നും വാമനന് മാവേലിയെ ചവിട്ടി പാതാളത്തിലേക്ക് വിട്ടു എന്നും ഒക്കെ ഓരോരോ വിശ്വാസം ഉണ്ടല്ലോ. അത് അങ്ങനെ തന്നെ കാണേണ്ട കാര്യം ഇല്ല. പിന്നെ യൂറോപ്യന് രീതി അല്ല നമ്മള് പിന്തുടരുന്നത്. അവരുടെ ഭാഗങ്ങള് ഉൻഡ് എന്നത് ശരിയാണ്. പക്ഷേ ഒട്ടുമിക്ക ആചാരങ്ങളും നമ്മളുടെ തന്നെ ആണ്. ഉദാഹരണം താലി കേട്ടു, പള്ളിയില് വിരി ഇടുന്നത് ഒക്കെ.
നമ്പൂതിരി പാരമ്പര്യം ഒക്കെ പോട്ട തെറ്റ് ആണ് എന്നു മെത്രാന്മാര് തന്നെ പറയുന്നുണ്ടല്ലോ. അക്കാലത്ത് ഞെളിയാണ് വേണ്ടി ആരെങ്കിലും ഉണ്ടാക്കിയ കഥാ ആയിരിക്കും. പിന്നെ വെള്ളാപ്പള്ളി നടേശന് ഇടുക്കി മെത്രാന്റെ കാല് വാരിയത് ഓർക്കുന്നില്ലേ 🤣
നന്നായി ജീവിക്കുന്നത് തന്നെ ഒരു പ്രാർഥന അല്ലേ?
മാർ അബ്രഹാം മൂന്ന് പ്രവൃശം തടവീലിട്ടു തടവിൽ നിന്ന് മോചിപികണ മെങ്കിൽ നിങ്ങൾ പാപ്പയെ അങ്ങികരിക്കണം ഇ ല്ലങ്കിൽ നിങ്ങളെ കൊന്നുകളയും എന്ന് പറയുകയും അവശനും ഭഷണമില്ലതജീവീതം രോഗീയും ഷീണീതൻനുമായി മരണത്തിലേക്ക് നിങ്ങുകയും ചെയുതും ഒരികല്ലു ം മാർ അബ്രഹം പാപ്പയക്ക് അനുകൂലമിയിട്ട് കീഴടങ്ങിയിട്ടില്ല അതീന് ഒരൂതെളിവോ രേഖയോ കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭയുടെകയിൽ ഇല്ല എന്നാൽ ആയിരം രം തെളിവുകൾ കൽദയ സഭയുടെ കയിലുണ്ട്
Prince Jones
Who said you man
Catholic is the unity of 22 Eastern church(including syro malabar) and 1western church, and it have the kaldaya church. First , plz study full about the Catholic Church and orthodox church(Eastern church).at the beginning of the church, there is a unity and communion between the western churchs and Eastern churches for first 1000 years. After 1050 AD, the unity between rome and Constantinople was divided and removed the all ties and communion between these to churches.That is the real fact behind the western and Eastern church. The''koonam kurish'' sathyagraham and other things was occured after a long years after the 1050 AD. The reality is that, the division is not good. After a long years, some Eastern and western churches understand this reality. And they become reunioned. According to a syro malabar church(Eastern church), it showing Eastern liturgy (that's like orthodox church) with have all ties and communion with rome or western church.
If you have any doubt about about this , plz check it in Google or any other ways.
"May God bless you and your family"
Thank you 🙏💕 🙏
And you know one thing. What is the meaning of Catholic?. The word "Catholic"means "universal"or Catholic Church other wise called as universal church. And it is the unified church
Dear prince, dont you even know what is syro malabar church is??? Very poor
What coconut... he speaking...
സഹോദരാ, കെട്ടുകഥ പറയരുത്
കേരളത്തിലെ എല്ലാ കത്തോലിക്കാ സിറിയൻസ് ജനങ്ങളും മുക്കുവൻമാർ ക്രിസ്തുമതം സ്വീകരിച്ചു ക്രിസ്ത്യാനി ആയവരാണ്
ആണോഡാ... അതെന്നാ കേരളം മൊത്തം മുക്കുവരാർന്നോ
Sampaloor patirimaar and pappa matham
Nee ethedaa kurippe
@@johnthekkemuriyil21 palppodi aano setta
@@yousufs325
അല്ലഡോ പള്ളിപ്പോര്.
Anthiokia 🐷
Roman Catholic Church is not Syro Malabar Church. But in Kerala the Syro Malabar church is representing themselves as Roman Catholics. How dare the Bishops and priests are giving such a wrong information in the society
Nink enna ariyaam kerala catholic aa sabhaye kurich??
@@bibinbiju1342
Syro - Malabar church is one of the 23 independent church which is having full communion with Rome. This doesn't mean that it is Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church refers to Latin Liturgy. But Syro- Malabar church is one of the 23 eastern church. It is known to be Syrian Catholic or Syro- Malabar Catholic having its own liturgy which is different from the Roman Rite.
@@sudhishpearson4134 The Syro-Malabar Church is not "independent". The latest example of that is how the Roman Pope was able to remove the head of the Syro-Malabar Church Mar Alenchery from the administatiion of the Ernakulam-Angamaly Archdiocese and was able to appoint a Papal Administrator (Mar Manathodath) for the Archdiocese of Ernakulam-Angamaly. This is just one of the more recent proof that Syro-Malabar is not an independent church; but a Church 100% under the authority of the Latin Roman Catholic church, still practicing Roman Catholic pieties like Rosary, Novenas, Eucharistic Adoration.etc. I can list many more proofs if you wish. I wish it was an independent Church; but it sure is not now.
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@Av Joseph I have to disagree with you. There is no need to use the name of St.Thomas if the intention is to grab money. Actually the modern day Syro-Malabar Church is on the right path.. but not fully there in its de-latinization path.
Why we can’t stay away from Latin that is under the Rome. And stand alone since we have a great past from saint Thomas. Let us get separated from Roman hierarchy. Why the holy See is involving in our angamaly ernakulam diocese issues. We have our traditions, we evolved from Malabar of great kerala. Our system need to be changed why we need to depend the Holy See all this.
Proud to be syro Malabar.