Astarion's character development going from a prick who's bitter at almost every good deed you do to a man who realizes boundaries and emotions, to ultimately someone who still has thoughts about his trauma but still learned the consequences and agency over his own actions and to be nicer to others while learning how to cope in the Spawn ending is probably the biggest reason why I decided to buy BG3 (I spoil myself on purpose to see if it's worth spending on). It doesn't feel like you're "fixing him". Astarion even pushes back that he can't be what you want to see him as. It's his own self-reflection and actions that ultimately decide whether he redeems himself or not. But, as part of Astarion's ending says, if you choose the dialogue where you say that it's all him who picked himself up, he'll tell you that you did a lot more. It's also by your influence that pushes him to be better regardless if he's romanced or not (or worse in the Ascended route). It's the *combination* of help from others and his own decisions that shape him to attain true freedom while pushing away the paranoia and power that will corrupt him and lose who he is. Edit: I forgot to mention that in the end, Astarion says that while he wasn't grateful when he tells you that he can't be someone that you want to see in him, he's grateful for you believing in what he can be while also believing him for what he is- that he can rise up to be a better person without needing to Ascend. 2nd Edit: Wait, do pins get removed whenever a comment gets eddited?
It is worth spending on for sure... it changes lives and opinions and it prompts deep feelings that non other game does! If you are even half-convinced, stop spoiling yourself and buy it and play it the way you want to... and then come back to the comments and persuade someone else to buy it because it IS a masterpiece! I am also very biased of course, but I bought it on day 1 (of release) and haven't stopped playing it since... also I liked DoS2 a lot, so I knew I will probably like this one as well! 😇
@@resonatinglo Oh, I totes would if I ever get enough to buy it for myself. I've never played a single Baldur's Gate and only heard a few mentions of it from various sites talking about Disco Elysium (another CRPG where the MC's thoughts act as both his skills and DMs). Ngl, I had the unfortunate first exposure to Astarion through a TH-camr talking about the bear scene.
Yes!! I also spoiled most of his arc before I started playing. I love how you know it’s not a “i can fix him” fantasy, or well if you are interpreting the good aligned + spawn story in my personal opinion correctly then it’s not.
It all depends what you mean by "fixing him". If by fixing him you mean showing him that genuine care and respect exist and it's not just masters and servants or monsters and victims in the world, then you can "fix him" and he is "fixable" in a sense that he is receptive to being treated with respect and willing to learn that you don't have to be a monster, to not be a victim.
@@LadyEmaleth When people say "fixing" someone, it's usually to characters that're beyond what TvTropes call the "Moral Event Horizon" where a character's misdeeds outweigh any possibility of redemption, often used in a joking manner too. I don't think "fixing" someone is the same as that person being open to morally change for the better because "fixing him" implies directly solving that person's issues whereas the latter is him not only being helped, but he, too, is also making active decisions to strive for improvement and not just depend entirely on you.
[Flashbacks to Astarion tackling someone he'd just met and holding a knife to their throat despite several allies nearby and Zero clue what their actual abilities were ] Not always,, no (/j) Thanks for the clip!
Riiight, the drunk bear scene... I didn't get it on this playthought that I am at... wonder what triggers it and where is the limit that you can't trigger it any more... I just reached act 3, so I probably won't get it now, but there's always the next one right 😁
I triggered it by Astarion being the only one in my party for the first couple of long rests after the bite scene. There's probably other ways to trigger it, but thats what worked for me.
One rule for all these scenes - sleep a lot at the camp before act 2 (cursed lands) For this scene before the party - sleep a lot Bite scene - thinking about other tastes scene - bear scene - mirror scene
@@kiwi3742I got it while always having a full party, Astarion always included in it, so him being the sole companion isn't required. No idea what I may have done to teigger it that others haven't, though. I long rest as soon as is feasible after someone in the party comments on needing sleep soon.
Astarion's character development going from a prick who's bitter at almost every good deed you do to a man who realizes boundaries and emotions, to ultimately someone who still has thoughts about his trauma but still learned the consequences and agency over his own actions and to be nicer to others while learning how to cope in the Spawn ending is probably the biggest reason why I decided to buy BG3 (I spoil myself on purpose to see if it's worth spending on). It doesn't feel like you're "fixing him". Astarion even pushes back that he can't be what you want to see him as. It's his own self-reflection and actions that ultimately decide whether he redeems himself or not. But, as part of Astarion's ending says, if you choose the dialogue where you say that it's all him who picked himself up, he'll tell you that you did a lot more. It's also by your influence that pushes him to be better regardless if he's romanced or not (or worse in the Ascended route). It's the *combination* of help from others and his own decisions that shape him to attain true freedom while pushing away the paranoia and power that will corrupt him and lose who he is.
Edit: I forgot to mention that in the end, Astarion says that while he wasn't grateful when he tells you that he can't be someone that you want to see in him, he's grateful for you believing in what he can be while also believing him for what he is- that he can rise up to be a better person without needing to Ascend.
2nd Edit: Wait, do pins get removed whenever a comment gets eddited?
It is worth spending on for sure... it changes lives and opinions and it prompts deep feelings that non other game does! If you are even half-convinced, stop spoiling yourself and buy it and play it the way you want to... and then come back to the comments and persuade someone else to buy it because it IS a masterpiece!
I am also very biased of course, but I bought it on day 1 (of release) and haven't stopped playing it since... also I liked DoS2 a lot, so I knew I will probably like this one as well! 😇
@@resonatinglo Oh, I totes would if I ever get enough to buy it for myself. I've never played a single Baldur's Gate and only heard a few mentions of it from various sites talking about Disco Elysium (another CRPG where the MC's thoughts act as both his skills and DMs). Ngl, I had the unfortunate first exposure to Astarion through a TH-camr talking about the bear scene.
Yes!! I also spoiled most of his arc before I started playing. I love how you know it’s not a “i can fix him” fantasy, or well if you are interpreting the good aligned + spawn story in my personal opinion correctly then it’s not.
It all depends what you mean by "fixing him". If by fixing him you mean showing him that genuine care and respect exist and it's not just masters and servants or monsters and victims in the world, then you can "fix him" and he is "fixable" in a sense that he is receptive to being treated with respect and willing to learn that you don't have to be a monster, to not be a victim.
@@LadyEmaleth When people say "fixing" someone, it's usually to characters that're beyond what TvTropes call the "Moral Event Horizon" where a character's misdeeds outweigh any possibility of redemption, often used in a joking manner too. I don't think "fixing" someone is the same as that person being open to morally change for the better because "fixing him" implies directly solving that person's issues whereas the latter is him not only being helped, but he, too, is also making active decisions to strive for improvement and not just depend entirely on you.
[Flashbacks to Astarion tackling someone he'd just met and holding a knife to their throat despite several allies nearby and Zero clue what their actual abilities were ] Not always,, no
(/j)
Thanks for the clip!
Riiight, the drunk bear scene... I didn't get it on this playthought that I am at... wonder what triggers it and where is the limit that you can't trigger it any more... I just reached act 3, so I probably won't get it now, but there's always the next one right 😁
But for real, how do you trigger it? I’ve played the game twice and I don’t think I’ve seen this before 😭
i don’t recall where it triggered for me. I just made sure to be a long rest abuser. I want all the cut scenes
I triggered it by Astarion being the only one in my party for the first couple of long rests after the bite scene. There's probably other ways to trigger it, but thats what worked for me.
One rule for all these scenes - sleep a lot at the camp before act 2 (cursed lands)
For this scene before the party - sleep a lot
Bite scene - thinking about other tastes scene - bear scene - mirror scene
@@kiwi3742I got it while always having a full party, Astarion always included in it, so him being the sole companion isn't required. No idea what I may have done to teigger it that others haven't, though. I long rest as soon as is feasible after someone in the party comments on needing sleep soon.