Referee was awful. Veltman kicks the ball at Rice so by "the letter of the law" the free kick was already taken! Also when Veltman kicks at Rice to take the freekick the freekick is taken at the wrong place! By the letter of the law the freekick should be taken where the infringement occurred! Selective referring ruining the game
That's wass my thought and can't get my head round it . The ball was hit by Brighton player to rice so ball is in play so essentially rice tap the ball out of play ... They the follow through wass pretty extreme then rice gets a red
I agree I've been screaming it too. If Veltman had had a free kick in the opposition half and rather than hitting Rice it went to a Brighton player and he scored. VAR would not I repeat would not of disallowed the goal. The ball was stationary when he kicked it and would of stood as good bit of trickery to fool the opposition. The mind boggles, if he had thrown it at Rice, then fair play ! The media is not talking about it at all, not even online ! Wrong wrong wrong !
@@tan97that was a correct decision, but Veltman practically tried to kick Rice off the pitch too, which is surely a red for violent conduct. You see players get red cards for reckless tackles when they’re trying to get the ball but miss it and endanger their opponent; what’s different about this?
If a player jumps in the way of a goal kick, and gets kicked, it is not the goalie at fault but the player jumping. Rice should know not to interfere with free kicks. Stop crying
@@AlexBTexas lol Veltman rolled the ball towards Rice, why would he do that if he didn’t want Rice in the way of taking a free kick? Make that make sense.
Veltman also didn't try to take the free kick from where he was fouled. Rice moved 10 yards away, Veltman kicked the ball toward him and then tried to take the free kick right next to Rice. Referee should have put Veltman back 10 yards and take it from there.
Not true! He used his foot to kick the ball where it should have been taken against Rice and while the ball was moving he missed the ball completely so there was intent to cause harm. Even if using the parroting "letter of the law" the ball was not in a ready position to take a free kick. Just because the argument is Rice flicked the ball away that does not mean it comes anywhere near the offense committed by the Brighton player.
He actively attemtped to take the free kick, and if the ball was rolling as his foot made contact with the ball, he would have been told to take it again. However Rice instead decided to intervene in the free kick attempt, by kicking the ball away. Definite yellow and red card was right.
@@AlexBTexas Actually no. No intervention. Rice left the scene of the crime which was where the free kick should have been taken. In fact, in order to take a free kick the ball must be stationary. Veltman's clear intention was to kick Rice not the moving ball. Rice did nothing wrong and even if he was guilty it would have been harsh to enforce a Yellow card for doing what he did. Our game is falling to pieces.
After 20 minutes, told my friend there is bad intent from the ref, he was giving advantage to Brighton for every 50/50, and punishing arsenal for every small fouls they committed, people are looking declan incident but the guy had his plan from the beginning, you could feel it from the beginning 😢
@@makei89 thanks for describing the match experience of most football fans when they think the ref is against them. However in reality, Arsenal 12 fouls, Brighton 7. Given Brighton had almost 80% possession in the second half this is about right, first half was 6/5 in fouls again with Brighton having more possession.
Look at Rice's first yellow, the ref wanted to send him off there, if there was no var to that ref he was off. No matter what Rice did or did not do, he was off, the decision has already been made. That should be a lesson to Arsenal players they are targets for these corrupt Refs
One things for sure, Man city players would never be sent off for something like this. Kovacic should have had red card twice against Arsenal last season and somehow he didint. Everybody knows this league is corrupt everybody except man city fans.
Ball rolling only becomes an issue when veltmans foot actually makes contact with the ball though,which rice stops so the foul supercedes the ball rolling which would have resulted in a retake
Danny Murphy got it spot on. Pedro should have been booked. Rice rightly got second yellow. Veltman should have got a red. Arsenal fans should stop moaning about the Rice decision and focus on the decisions that were actually wrong.
I’m not moaning about the rice red he shouldn’t have given the ref a choice… I’m moaning about the inconsistency of these referee decisions.. I agree with your other 3 points
But if Pedro is booked then Rice wouldn't have done it because he would have seen that the ref is giving yellows for that. Whereas because Pedro wasn't booked it actually sent the opposite message to the players, it said the ref is not giving yellows for that. So the refs inconsistencies are a problem, and yes they shall be blamed for being bad at their jobs
Three things happened: 1. Veltman takes the free kick while ball is still moving. 2: Veltman kicks Rice. 3: Rice flicks ball out. For #1, ref should make a re-start. For #2, Veltman gets a red. This all should have happened before 2nd yellow for Rice is even considered.
Veltman kicked the ball (from the place of the foul) into the back of Rice and did not ask the referee for the 10 yards, so technically the ball was in play and Rice did nothing wrong.... if the referee wanted to get all technical about it
Webb said "the bar for a second yellow has to be higher" Owen won't mention that when this inevitably comes up, and Owen inevitable backs out of asking any "tough" questions
Yeah, whatever happened to ungentlemanly conduct, 🤷♂️ Veltman should have gone too for that AND violent conduct, but as we seen in the Wolves game and Mosquera’s THROTTLING of Havertz! There has been VERY different rules for Arsenal FOR YEARS, and screw those who say differently, their just LIARS! 🤨
brighton players commited multiple offences in the incident. 3 brighton players asked the ref to book rice alone. Wellbeck was one of them.. have lost all respect for him now.
No - and it's doubly strange to decide to issue a yellow for this petty thing when it's a second yellow, when earlier in the match the punishment was not given for a worse case of time wasting when it would only have been a first yellow. It's almost as if the ref wanted to disadvantage arsenal and this was his chance to do it
There were lots and lots of incidents this weekend in the Premier league where players moved the ball away after a free kick or throw in has been given. There was one yellow card given this weekend. One. And it was a second yellow that completely changed the game.
I feel like I am listening to Danny Murphy’s twin brother or a look alike imposter that sounds like him. Danny actually sees a point in what an Arsenal manager ever says irrespective of the circumstance. Wow. Lesson is never be quick to judge people.
Raya should have been booked for telling the ball boy not to give him the ball at a goal kick when Arsenal were time-wasting at the end. Also delaying a restart.
Am a Ugandan. We enjoy EPL so much. Unfortunately the league has really lost its credibility due to unprofessional refereeing. Such big games requires much bigger referees with big brains.
Lots of these refs grew up hating arsenal cos they are either mancs or fans of rival clubs who had to watch arsenals invisible era and they have subconscious bias against arsenal
The play had already restarted as Veltman took the free kick from a dead ball. He kicked it against Rice's heal. It was a red card for violent conduct. Pedro should have been booked too
Forget about Pedro. Veltman kicked out at Rice, and Rice tapped the ball a few inches away INSTEAD OF KICKING VELTMAN BACK. I don't see the delay of game or unsporting behavior from Declan Rice.
Consistency is not a footnote, it's the main aim of refereeing - to make things fair. If you apply the rules to some but not others, you are not making the game fair. Fans aren't asking for that much when they say they want consistency, it's the bare minimum that refereeing needs do. It doesn't seem to be too difficult in other sports
This is a total disgrace Rice did not even know where the ball was the other player purposely and deliberately kick the ball unto Rice’s foot then to compound it while the ball continue to roll he then proceed to kick him that is a sackable offence in any other job
Veltman moves the ball first from its starying position. He kicks the ball into Rice first. The entire situation is on Veltman. If we're going by "the letter of the law" Veltman is the one who actually delayed restart... And then commited a red card offense that just gets completely ignored.
The reason players are diving now more than ever is because of the incompetence of the referees. If a player doesn't go down the referee doesn't blow a foul.
The VAR rules need to change ie second yellow card that potentially leeds to a red. Send the ref to look at that whole scenario and he has to send Veltman off. Look at Veltman he knows he lost his cool and lashed out.
The free kick was not legal, therefore Rice committed no crime. 1. Veltman kicked it forward, 2. went to kick it again as it was moving as Rice touched it. Correct decision was to restart the game with a free kick in the CORRECT position and with a STAITIONARY ball. Those are the rules not the ones the Manchester referee applied with help from his blind mates in VAR room. Many former referees have said the free kick wasn't legal and that means Rice could not have possibly prevented a quick free kick. Lineker. was right, so too many others. Veltman is a very lucky boy & it is a shame that cheating like that still goes on. Manchester referee by the way; he has form.
It must be mentioned that Veltmen threw the ball to hit Declan, who was walking away from the free kick. Had he not, Declan would have been nowhere near the ball. The ref should have gone to review before making that horrible decision
@@Nomans1971 please stop making stupid comments. Kicking ball away by intention when the whistle is blown and that too so far away is 100% an attempt to delay the restart. Also multi ball system is irrelevant, the play has still been delayed as an arsenal player could have quickly picked up the ball which was right at the touch line before he kicked it away
Rice didn't boot the ball away. Stop comparing it to an incident like that. The ball was rolling in front of him and he tapped it, no free kick could have been taken. We all know this. Veltman played the ref and the refs lack common sense and fall for it once again. Never a red card
Veltman getting off with nothing at all was BS and pedro the same,if the “letter of the law”was consistent Pedro should’ve received a yellow card and both Rice and Veltman should’ve been sent off,and im a Gooner🤷🏻♂️
I feel I don't see same kind of decisions against other teams as often, in recent years... I hope someone's counting lost points for teams in the prem over the last 4 years as I'm sure we'll be right up there consistently. The PGMOL definitely aren't... These refs should be in a league, where they get relegated or promoted by correct/ incorrect decision to division that effects them financially as the teams they have power over - no accountability. What is their KPI's they work too? I thought when Webb retired, refs would be less biased & VAR would be as virtual as Tennis.. Didn't realise VAR would just be 2 other refs watching a TV protracting angles on a screen with limited allowed interference...
funny danny murphy has changed his tune a little since match of the day saturday night. Never a booking though. Brighton players kicked & threw the ball away multiple times after that incident without booking.
BALL WAS WAY AHEAD OF WHERE THE FREE KICK WAS.., SECOND THE BALL WAS IN MOTION... THIRD THE KICK WAS ON RICE NOT THE BALL.. FORTH THE GUY BACK WAS TURN N HE KICK THE BALL IN RICE DIRECTION TO START THIS BS.. REF U DID IT AGAIN 👏
One of the worst red cards I’ve seen. Veltman clearly sets out to boot him, throws the ball forward at him, and Rice gets sent off. Anyone who thinks a team should go a man down for the rest of the match for a nonsense play like that is a boomer melt.
Veltman is a clumsy defender ...if the Refs were to apply the letter of law on his agricultural style of defending he would get sent off in most games.
The decisions from referees in this country will never stop cuz rival fans celebrate these things when it's not against them. But what I know what goes around comes around, the same way arsenal was affected, next week will be another group and we gonna to keep seeing it happening.
Veltman would need the timing of a top-gun fighter pilot and a crystal ball to deliberately pretend to miss the ball that wasnt there just to deliberately kick rice get over it move on
Just on Brighton, very good team, would rather see them in the CL than villa that's for sure! Brighton fans won't like this but why don't the top clubs go and pick apart their scouting department and add it to their own! They've shown time and time again that they unearth gems for absolute Peanuts... meanwhile Arseal keep shopping in the chelsea dust bin 😤
Howard Webb where the Christ is he football’s version of The Invisible Man when the 💩 hits the fan and when something goes in his favour he turns up at the opening of an envelope
Football is becoming more and more pathetic with all of these pointless debates about referee decisions - the authorities should give referees much more power instead of hanging them out to dry all of the time - if Rice had been given a yellow for the second offence and then been sent off for the dreadful late tackle he did that earns him his first yellow then nobody would have said a single thing about this but the media instead just drones on and on about it encouraging fans to do exactly the same - crackdown on players petty behaviour - if a player tries to con a referee on the pitch and gets caught out then ban him for a month - that will stop that happening very quickly - it’s the pundits and the authorise who love all of this - it brings more attention to the sport but sadly it is actually damages it
Ref are biased, or maybe they're encouraged by FA to make such stupid calls just to create controversies so that the premier league is always on the news. Either way, if they dont fix these referee issues, its gonna affect the english football badly in the near future.
According to the letter of the law, the second yellow was "correct". BUT referees are there to ensure FAIR play. That is the whole point of being a referee. They should be neutral and enforce the rules of the game so that neither team can cheat. Every referee has a different style of enforcing the rules. Sometimes the same referee even has a different style depending on the game. But IN the game he MUST be consistent, otherwise it is unfair to one team, and as I said before, the whole point of being a referee is to make sure that the game is fair. If he is inconsistent, he is not doing his job properly. He is also starting to be the cause of unfairness in the game. In this game, the referee did NOT give a yellow card when the Brighton player kicked the ball away in the first half. Fair play. But as soon as he gave Rice a second yellow card (for a much lesser offence than kicking the ball miles away), the referee was making an unfair decision, even if it was the correct one according to the "letter of the law". This argument does not even take into account the fact that it resulted in a red card. So in this case, not only was it the wrong decision, it was outrageously stupid and unworthy of a referee in the PL. And anyone who says "but it was correct by the letter of the law, therefore it was correct" is equally stupid. Having said that, it was also stupid of Rice to knock the ball away. He shouldn't have done it.
According to the letter of the law, its not, veltman had already played the ball, so, by the letter of the law, its a yellow to veltman for violent conduct and a throw in against arsenal
Referee was awful. Veltman kicks the ball at Rice so by "the letter of the law" the free kick was already taken!
Also when Veltman kicks at Rice to take the freekick the freekick is taken at the wrong place! By the letter of the law the freekick should be taken where the infringement occurred!
Selective referring ruining the game
That's wass my thought and can't get my head round it .
The ball was hit by Brighton player to rice so ball is in play so essentially rice tap the ball out of play ...
They the follow through wass pretty extreme then rice gets a red
No one is talking about this point and it is incredible that they are not. That ref hates Arsenal. He needs to be sacked.
Spot on - by the letter of the law (obviously used selectively by some) the ball was in play - why did VAR not instruct the ref?
I agree I've been screaming it too. If Veltman had had a free kick in the opposition half and rather than hitting Rice it went to a Brighton player and he scored. VAR would not I repeat would not of disallowed the goal. The ball was stationary when he kicked it and would of stood as good bit of trickery to fool the opposition.
The mind boggles, if he had thrown it at Rice, then fair play !
The media is not talking about it at all, not even online ! Wrong wrong wrong !
I wish i can like this comment more than once. Spot on
Dear talksport. Where can one officially complain about referees. Not a fan of either team but the referees are shocking.
Complain about what?
Rice kicked the ball off the pitch.
That's a yellow.
Best league in the world with some of the worst refs in the world
@@tan97that was a correct decision, but Veltman practically tried to kick Rice off the pitch too, which is surely a red for violent conduct. You see players get red cards for reckless tackles when they’re trying to get the ball but miss it and endanger their opponent; what’s different about this?
@@tan97 Yep, same fans will be complaining about a team wasting and screaming for yellow cards before the season is done.
@@tan97 lack of consistency = unfair refereeing. What's difficult to understand about that
Kicking Rice when the ball was moving was violent disorder.
If a player jumps in the way of a goal kick, and gets kicked, it is not the goalie at fault but the player jumping.
Rice should know not to interfere with free kicks. Stop crying
@@AlexBTexas Rice didnt get in the way, Veltman kicked the ball at Rice then kicked Rice there after... It was kinda like a set up.
@@mbonimpatimothy6051kinda?? That’s exactly what it was
@@dan7972-k9m Correction accepted 👍
@@AlexBTexas lol Veltman rolled the ball towards Rice, why would he do that if he didn’t want Rice in the way of taking a free kick? Make that make sense.
Veltman also didn't try to take the free kick from where he was fouled. Rice moved 10 yards away, Veltman kicked the ball toward him and then tried to take the free kick right next to Rice. Referee should have put Veltman back 10 yards and take it from there.
Not true! He used his foot to kick the ball where it should have been taken against Rice and while the ball was moving he missed the ball completely so there was intent to cause harm. Even if using the parroting "letter of the law" the ball was not in a ready position to take a free kick. Just because the argument is Rice flicked the ball away that does not mean it comes anywhere near the offense committed by the Brighton player.
Think you are misunderstanding my point
@@gary83uk "tried to take the free kick"
He actively attemtped to take the free kick, and if the ball was rolling as his foot made contact with the ball, he would have been told to take it again. However Rice instead decided to intervene in the free kick attempt, by kicking the ball away. Definite yellow and red card was right.
@@AlexBTexas Actually no. No intervention. Rice left the scene of the crime which was where the free kick should have been taken. In fact, in order to take a free kick the ball must be stationary. Veltman's clear intention was to kick Rice not the moving ball. Rice did nothing wrong and even if he was guilty it would have been harsh to enforce a Yellow card for doing what he did. Our game is falling to pieces.
Funny Danny tune was very different when he was on tv during motd
That's what i was thinking
The ref was biased from first to last whistle, end of. Prem is corrupt and I'm done with it.
will never not laugh at fans of sky 6 clubs saying the PL is corrupt against them, okay buddy.
After 20 minutes, told my friend there is bad intent from the ref, he was giving advantage to Brighton for every 50/50, and punishing arsenal for every small fouls they committed, people are looking declan incident but the guy had his plan from the beginning, you could feel it from the beginning 😢
@@makei89 thanks for describing the match experience of most football fans when they think the ref is against them. However in reality, Arsenal 12 fouls, Brighton 7. Given Brighton had almost 80% possession in the second half this is about right, first half was 6/5 in fouls again with Brighton having more possession.
@@AlexBTexasYou just proved his point with those stats
Spot on, n as n Arsenal fan im done watching this bullshit, its gotten totally worst 😮😮
There is no way Veltman could have taken the free kick while the ball is still in motion. Biased referee.
Arsenal win rate under Chris Kavanagh is 52% all the other refs it's in the 70s%
The new mike dean
@@MCJC96Worse than Mike Dean
he didnt, rice moved th e ball before he touched it
Where was the linesman in all this? Shouldn’t he have been advising the ref?
Look at Rice's first yellow, the ref wanted to send him off there, if there was no var to that ref he was off. No matter what Rice did or did not do, he was off, the decision has already been made. That should be a lesson to Arsenal players they are targets for these corrupt Refs
Worst red card ever!! Stinks of corruption and Arsenal have been shafted for this game and the next!
One things for sure, Man city players would never be sent off for something like this.
Kovacic should have had red card twice against Arsenal last season and somehow he didint.
Everybody knows this league is corrupt everybody except man city fans.
The PL is not corrupt against Arsenal, you have no idea what corruption looks like.
@AlexBTexas who do you support?
@@raidenrbs Spurs
It wasn’t a red it was a yellow, it’s just he already had a yellow for a bad tackle previously. Get you facts right.
The only person who thinks veltman tried to take the free kick instead of trying to kick rice is Chris kavanagh and the VaR room
It's as if they are actually dumb. Or willfully ignorant
Ball was rolling. But Rice should know better. Ref bottled it. End of.
Ball rolling only becomes an issue when veltmans foot actually makes contact with the ball though,which rice stops so the foul supercedes the ball rolling which would have resulted in a retake
Danny Murphy got it spot on. Pedro should have been booked. Rice rightly got second yellow. Veltman should have got a red. Arsenal fans should stop moaning about the Rice decision and focus on the decisions that were actually wrong.
You either send both off or neither off. The decision was wrong so we ain't gonna stop talking about it.
Judgment has to be used. A second yellow was ludicrous.
I’m not moaning about the rice red he shouldn’t have given the ref a choice… I’m moaning about the inconsistency of these referee decisions.. I agree with your other 3 points
But if Pedro is booked then Rice wouldn't have done it because he would have seen that the ref is giving yellows for that. Whereas because Pedro wasn't booked it actually sent the opposite message to the players, it said the ref is not giving yellows for that. So the refs inconsistencies are a problem, and yes they shall be blamed for being bad at their jobs
It happens every season.. an Arsenal player gets a red card in a way I've never seen before
Three things happened: 1. Veltman takes the free kick while ball is still moving. 2: Veltman kicks Rice. 3: Rice flicks ball out. For #1, ref should make a re-start. For #2, Veltman gets a red. This all should have happened before 2nd yellow for Rice is even considered.
Wrong order: 1. Ball is still moving. 2. Rice flicks the ball out. 3. Veltman kicks Rice.
Veltman kicked the ball (from the place of the foul) into the back of Rice and did not ask the referee for the 10 yards, so technically the ball was in play and Rice did nothing wrong.... if the referee wanted to get all technical about it
Didn’t see Arteta wanting this consistency when his team were playing basketball against liverpool last season
And where were you when Liverpool screwed Everton? Konate should have been send off and he wasn’t.
Webb said "the bar for a second yellow has to be higher" Owen won't mention that when this inevitably comes up, and Owen inevitable backs out of asking any "tough" questions
Somes up reff's against Arsenal
Yes you missing something because this guys threw the ball to his heels while he is looking and moving forward 😢
Yeah, whatever happened to ungentlemanly conduct, 🤷♂️ Veltman should have gone too for that AND violent conduct, but as we seen in the Wolves game and Mosquera’s THROTTLING of Havertz! There has been VERY different rules for Arsenal FOR YEARS, and screw those who say differently, their just LIARS! 🤨
brighton players commited multiple offences in the incident. 3 brighton players asked the ref to book rice alone. Wellbeck was one of them.. have lost all respect for him now.
Think it’s the right decision. But if Pedro gets booked in the first half, does Rice kick the ball away in the second half??
No - and it's doubly strange to decide to issue a yellow for this petty thing when it's a second yellow, when earlier in the match the punishment was not given for a worse case of time wasting when it would only have been a first yellow. It's almost as if the ref wanted to disadvantage arsenal and this was his chance to do it
There were lots and lots of incidents this weekend in the Premier league where players moved the ball away after a free kick or throw in has been given. There was one yellow card given this weekend. One. And it was a second yellow that completely changed the game.
Veltman was cunning and deliberately kicked Rice. The ref didn't see that Rice nudged the ball. He was informed by the VAR officials.
Well that would be illegal as VaR isn’t allowed to intervene on yellow cards
I feel like I am listening to Danny Murphy’s twin brother or a look alike imposter that sounds like him. Danny actually sees a point in what an Arsenal manager ever says irrespective of the circumstance. Wow. Lesson is never be quick to judge people.
His tune was very different on motd he’s fake
Raya should have been booked for telling the ball boy not to give him the ball at a goal kick when Arsenal were time-wasting at the end. Also delaying a restart.
The fact that we all agree with what everyone saw but the ref couldn't discern that is the worrying part.
Am a Ugandan. We enjoy EPL so much. Unfortunately the league has really lost its credibility due to unprofessional refereeing. Such big games requires much bigger referees with big brains.
If the referee was competent,we would not be having this conversation period
or if it was a Brighton player who was sent off..
I think for me the issue is why is it always Arsenal with all these strange sending off 😂😂😂. I feel like they are cursed!!!
Lots of these refs grew up hating arsenal cos they are either mancs or fans of rival clubs who had to watch arsenals invisible era and they have subconscious bias against arsenal
Veltman took the free kick twice.
The play had already restarted as Veltman took the free kick from a dead ball. He kicked it against Rice's heal. It was a red card for violent conduct. Pedro should have been booked too
Veltman is a weirdo. He said he wanted to "kill" Newcastle players after they beat Brighton 4-1 to get champions league football.
This is my favourite trio on talksport BUT I always miss this section of the show can anyone tel me when it's on ?
Forget about Pedro. Veltman kicked out at Rice, and Rice tapped the ball a few inches away INSTEAD OF KICKING VELTMAN BACK. I don't see the delay of game or unsporting behavior from Declan Rice.
As an Arsenal fan Rice needs to be more street wise. Just don’t kick it away.
didn't say that on MOTD
I suggest the name of the league be changed from premier league to corrupt league
If you cannot restart a game by kicking a moving ball then you cannot delay the restart of a game by kicking a moving ball away.
Consistency is not a footnote, it's the main aim of refereeing - to make things fair. If you apply the rules to some but not others, you are not making the game fair. Fans aren't asking for that much when they say they want consistency, it's the bare minimum that refereeing needs do. It doesn't seem to be too difficult in other sports
This is a total disgrace Rice did not even know where the ball was the other player purposely and deliberately kick the ball unto Rice’s foot then to compound it while the ball continue to roll he then proceed to kick him that is a sackable offence in any other job
This is a fair discussion.
Refs are changing the deserved PL title roll of honour by making these type of decisions and possibly denying teams titles, relegation, etc.
Referee from Manchester probably a City supporter😮
The ball was thrown at Rice's feet!! He probably moved it to try and avoid getting kicked and then got kicked anyway!!
Veltman moves the ball first from its starying position. He kicks the ball into Rice first. The entire situation is on Veltman. If we're going by "the letter of the law" Veltman is the one who actually delayed restart... And then commited a red card offense that just gets completely ignored.
How can Veltman not be sent off for kicking Rice out of play?
Does anyone remember the red card David Luiz got when a player kicked him while taking a shot. Both players were not to blame for that.
Veltman is the new dark horse 🐎 in town 😊
Funny how they make an excuse for jp clearly stopping a restart
The reason players are diving now more than ever is because of the incompetence of the referees. If a player doesn't go down the referee doesn't blow a foul.
It was the right decision maybe now players won't keep trying it on players and clubs know the rules end of
The VAR rules need to change ie second yellow card that potentially leeds to a red. Send the ref to look at that whole scenario and he has to send Veltman off. Look at Veltman he knows he lost his cool and lashed out.
That would require common sense. I would love Michael owen to ask that question to Howard Webb but he won't.
Brighton don't pay top 6 club prices...or even get the same wage demands from the players tryna sign
As a football player...Each reff sets their own "standards" at the start of the game. At least be consistent for 90 mins!! as a minimum
Doing the minimum is apparently not required to be a premier league ref
The free kick was not legal, therefore Rice committed no crime. 1. Veltman kicked it forward, 2. went to kick it again as it was moving as Rice touched it. Correct decision was to restart the game with a free kick in the CORRECT position and with a STAITIONARY ball. Those are the rules not the ones the Manchester referee applied with help from his blind mates in VAR room. Many former referees have said the free kick wasn't legal and that means Rice could not have possibly prevented a quick free kick. Lineker. was right, so too many others. Veltman is a very lucky boy & it is a shame that cheating like that still goes on. Manchester referee by the way; he has form.
It must be mentioned that Veltmen threw the ball to hit Declan, who was walking away from the free kick. Had he not, Declan would have been nowhere near the ball. The ref should have gone to review before making that horrible decision
Where was he kicking the ball to with that wild swing of the leg 😂 all his teammates were in the defensive third of the pitch!
Veltman wanted Reice to get sent off that''s it
Ball was rolling when the free kick was taken all I'm saying. If it's about letter of the law then that should have been taken into account.
Pedro won’t get booked as the ball is out of play and not delaying play as per the rules.
It is delaying because it means you can't get the ball back as quickly
@@AndyLowe-net that’s not really true is it, the multi ball system eliminates that argument.
@@Nomans1971 please stop making stupid comments. Kicking ball away by intention when the whistle is blown and that too so far away is 100% an attempt to delay the restart. Also multi ball system is irrelevant, the play has still been delayed as an arsenal player could have quickly picked up the ball which was right at the touch line before he kicked it away
Rice didn't boot the ball away. Stop comparing it to an incident like that. The ball was rolling in front of him and he tapped it, no free kick could have been taken. We all know this. Veltman played the ref and the refs lack common sense and fall for it once again. Never a red card
Veltman getting off with nothing at all was BS and pedro the same,if the “letter of the law”was consistent Pedro should’ve received a yellow card and both Rice and Veltman should’ve been sent off,and im a Gooner🤷🏻♂️
The ball was still moving
I feel I don't see same kind of decisions against other teams as often, in recent years... I hope someone's counting lost points for teams in the prem over the last 4 years as I'm sure we'll be right up there consistently. The PGMOL definitely aren't... These refs should be in a league, where they get relegated or promoted by correct/ incorrect decision to division that effects them financially as the teams they have power over - no accountability. What is their KPI's they work too? I thought when Webb retired, refs would be less biased & VAR would be as virtual as Tennis.. Didn't realise VAR would just be 2 other refs watching a TV protracting angles on a screen with limited allowed interference...
I dont think rice did it on purpose....
Love the thumbnail bait. Hands actually on his face because he's mocking himself.
100% a yellow. "Shame on Arsenal, always crying"
If Pogba did what Declan did y’all would be here berating Pogba😂😂😂 damn hypocrits😂
The ball was still moving. Rule 13.2.
funny danny murphy has changed his tune a little since match of the day saturday night. Never a booking though. Brighton players kicked & threw the ball away multiple times after that incident without booking.
100% danny
Rice wasn't looking at the player, didn't even know the player was going to kick the ball
And yet he looked at the ball, that was not his, and kicked it.
@@AlexBTexasThe ball which got kicked at him from behind 😅
And what about the assault on SAKA
BALL WAS WAY AHEAD OF WHERE THE FREE KICK WAS.., SECOND THE BALL WAS IN MOTION... THIRD THE KICK WAS ON RICE NOT THE BALL.. FORTH THE GUY BACK WAS TURN N HE KICK THE BALL IN RICE DIRECTION TO START THIS BS.. REF U DID IT AGAIN 👏
One of the worst red cards I’ve seen. Veltman clearly sets out to boot him, throws the ball forward at him, and Rice gets sent off. Anyone who thinks a team should go a man down for the rest of the match for a nonsense play like that is a boomer melt.
Veltman is a clumsy defender ...if the Refs were to apply the letter of law on his agricultural style of defending he would get sent off in most games.
Had his hands around Trossard's throat in the first half.
What about rice being a fool, BTW he also dived after the kick.
Embarrassing. 😮😢
Did rice foul veltman for the free kick they got awarded??
The decisions from referees in this country will never stop cuz rival fans celebrate these things when it's not against them. But what I know what goes around comes around, the same way arsenal was affected, next week will be another group and we gonna to keep seeing it happening.
The best and most competitive league in the world is now being ruined by probably the worst refs in the world.
Veltman would need the timing of a top-gun fighter pilot and a crystal ball to deliberately pretend to miss the ball that wasnt there just to deliberately kick rice get over it move on
Who's the old fella, have they just plucked an oap from the street to host a show??
Oh that’s Danny… Danny Murphy… he had a tough paper round but he’s a top bloke and was a top baller in his prime. 😊
Welbeck involved
screaming on the floor.... so.. basically Saka.
Basically nearly every player that gets touched....
That black guy analysis is senseless
Just on Brighton, very good team, would rather see them in the CL than villa that's for sure! Brighton fans won't like this but why don't the top clubs go and pick apart their scouting department and add it to their own! They've shown time and time again that they unearth gems for absolute Peanuts... meanwhile Arseal keep shopping in the chelsea dust bin 😤
If the roles were reversed and it was Veltman sent off, we wouldn't be hearing anything of this incident and there would be no debate.
Yeah sure if Declan Rice had kicked someone as hard as he could no one would’ve said anything…
Not what he’s saying are you dense?
Arsenal are a bigger club, so that's why.
that’s exactly why he’s saying if the ‘roles’ were reversed
Sarcasm really goes right over some people’s heads 🙄
Brighton will now have to watch themselves because other teams will target them
Great ref for a change, makes up for the refs we get at the Amex who have been clearly biased against us.
Let’s see if the fa charge veltman for misconduct after his kick on rice
Simulation from Veltman.
Howard Webb where the Christ is he football’s version of The Invisible Man when the 💩 hits the fan and when something goes in his favour he turns up at the opening of an envelope
Vetman is a cheat
Football is becoming more and more pathetic with all of these pointless debates about referee decisions - the authorities should give referees much more power instead of hanging them out to dry all of the time - if Rice had been given a yellow for the second offence and then been sent off for the dreadful late tackle he did that earns him his first yellow then nobody would have said a single thing about this but the media instead just drones on and on about it encouraging fans to do exactly the same - crackdown on players petty behaviour - if a player tries to con a referee on the pitch and gets caught out then ban him for a month - that will stop that happening very quickly - it’s the pundits and the authorise who love all of this - it brings more attention to the sport but sadly it is actually damages it
Ref are biased, or maybe they're encouraged by FA to make such stupid calls just to create controversies so that the premier league is always on the news. Either way, if they dont fix these referee issues, its gonna affect the english football badly in the near future.
This is not inconsistent but rather biased and corruption
Guaranteed against spurs or city 1 of them will kick the ball away we will ask for a booking and consistency and get booked for descent
Arsenal missed too many chances, same problems as last season
Is Rice wasn’t English we’d be hearing “it’s a red”.
According to the letter of the law, the second yellow was "correct".
BUT referees are there to ensure FAIR play. That is the whole point of being a referee. They should be neutral and enforce the rules of the game so that neither team can cheat.
Every referee has a different style of enforcing the rules. Sometimes the same referee even has a different style depending on the game. But IN the game he MUST be consistent, otherwise it is unfair to one team, and as I said before, the whole point of being a referee is to make sure that the game is fair. If he is inconsistent, he is not doing his job properly. He is also starting to be the cause of unfairness in the game.
In this game, the referee did NOT give a yellow card when the Brighton player kicked the ball away in the first half. Fair play. But as soon as he gave Rice a second yellow card (for a much lesser offence than kicking the ball miles away), the referee was making an unfair decision, even if it was the correct one according to the "letter of the law".
This argument does not even take into account the fact that it resulted in a red card.
So in this case, not only was it the wrong decision, it was outrageously stupid and unworthy of a referee in the PL. And anyone who says "but it was correct by the letter of the law, therefore it was correct" is equally stupid.
Having said that, it was also stupid of Rice to knock the ball away. He shouldn't have done it.
According to the letter of the law, its not, veltman had already played the ball, so, by the letter of the law, its a yellow to veltman for violent conduct and a throw in against arsenal