all the moscow trolls just keep telling he's propagandist though unable to disprove a single fact he says. why do you think people are that stupid to belive your shots rather than this man's evidences?
Thanks to Timothy Snyder for giving a brilliant lecture! If I ever saw a genius historian, it is him, to be honest. His speech is incredibly articulate. The number of Moscowite trolls in the comments is incredible. And two years after this lecture has been uploaded, they still can not resist to post their bullshit here in anger. Goes to show how pathetic these Moscowite imperialists are nowadays.
Snyder knowledge of 11 languages. To use primary and archival sources in Germany and Central Europe in researching his book, Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin, published in 2010 to considerable acclaim. Reviewer: Yet a closer look at the text and endnotes reveals that evidence drawn from archives represents but a small fraction of this book’s evidentiary apparatus. This is a project built on secondary sources. Snyder’s secondary sources are of the kind that even many specialists are unlikely to have seen, which is hardly surprising because Snyder can do research in ten languages. "Bloodlands" takes nuggets from each source, then assembles them into an original mosaic. Almost every paragraph of the book’s eleven chapters is supported by one or several previously underutilized secondary sources
The Brezhnev project of Russian integration of the 70's - closing down of Ukrainian language elementary schools--@about 25"....the agenda was always there...it's only paused here and there waiting for the opportune moment.
Goodreads › quotes Quote by William Faulkner: “The past is never dead. It's not even past.” William Faulkner - 'The past is never dead. It's not even past
Whilst Snyder is an exceptional contemporary historian, his function as part of the Anglo-American doctrinal system should not be overlooked. His critical analysis is invaluable, particularly regarding the Holocaust, but his allegiance is to the liberal order. NATO, for him, was brought into Eastern Europe by invitation rather than imposition - an extremely dubious position, but reasonable for someone like him to have.
And what is the US role in all this? Talking abt Europe alone as an independent entity is hiding its dependence on US. Hiding the interests of the US in Ukraine and in Europe is not to be hidden. It s obvious and flagrantly noticed. How can you account for that?
In 60 AD Apostle Saint Andrew traveled to the area of Kiev, preached, and said, one day a great city would be built here with many churches to the glory of God. Today there is a church to Saint Andrew in Kiev. The peoples in the area were Slavic. Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv, three brothers and the sister Lybid founded Kiev in 482 AD, Kiev was named after the older brother Kyi. Kiev the older brother was King. Herodotus wrote that Hercules had founded this land. The Rus were Viking tribes that settled peacefully in Kiev as far back as 750 AD with the Slavs there, 400 years before Moskva existed. The name Russia, coming from the city Moskva, has no connection to the RUS. Russia coming from Moskva started with Batu Kahn much later as a vasal under Mongolian rule. All the early Czars were Mongolian and of no connection to the RUS. The Rus were with the Slavs to the south in Kiev. Moskva were Finnish Urgic Tribes; Mosk means cow and Va water, which are Finnish names. There was no RUS there. The ethnic background of Moskva is Finnish-Urgic and Mongolian. The Rus developed the religion, city Kiev, alphabet, churches, and had its saints. The founder of Kievian Rus (800) or the Rus was a Viking named Askold or Oskold (Norse) from Sweden; not Oleg as in the Russian story. Kievian Rus exists long Before Novgorod and Oleg’s arrival there. Askold is the Slavic name. Oskold, the first King of Kievian Rus was in Kiev before Oleg in Novgorod. Oskold had 200 ships and 20,000 warriors. Oskold was baptized in Constantinople (128 years before Volodymyr) and sent the first bishop back to Kiev. Oskold and Dir were the first Dynasty of Kievian Rus. Askold rules from the 40-60s and Dir to the 80s. Askold is buried in Kiev and the first Kievian Christian King & Dynasty. Oleg followed coming from Sweden through Novgorod and was a pagan. Russia as named today started in the city of Moskva over 400 years later after Kievian Rus or Rus. From Kiev, the capitol of Rus, Kievian culture was spread, much like the Greeks Hellenized the known world, or like the British anglicized the world by the English language. This process does not make Moskva to become RUS in as much as Persian are not Greek. How we are misled by a name; Russia. The capitol of the RUS has always been Kiev. There is no other RUS and no RUS in Moskva. Many say Ukraine began recently; but the culture of the RUS is Kievian RUS, both culture and ethnic background. Ukraine is a name given by Poland meaning outer lands. The land of the RUS before the Mongolian invasion was very large. The name RUS is a Norse name which means men that row; there are no men that row in Moskva. So Moskva adopted the name Russia while being a Mongolian vassal, essentially traitor to the RUS; and all the Czars were Mongolian-Finnish. The Culture of the Mongolian was centralized power, and that cultural imprint was passed on to present day Russia. Ukraine’s real name should be Kievian RUS, or Kievskarus! Russia began in Moskva by Batu Kahn and Novgorod conquered much later, still no connection to the Rus. Putin & Lavrov should be ashamed of themselves, the USSR was an occupation; it never had the status of a sovereign state and due process of law that would be associated with a free society. Even today the mentality of the gulag exists. There is no freedom of press and speech, people are arrested for speech, there is no due process of law, and the religion is state run making it totalitarian theocracy. As such, it did not deserve to exist in a free world; and history has shown such totalitarian organizations fail over time and author in many gulags. The true culture of Russia is Finno-Ugric and Mongolian, having nothing to do with the RUS (Kievian), expect borrowed as in the sense of Hellenized or Anglicized "forms" as a comparative reference. The centralized form of Russian politics is a very Mongolian imprint on culture. The actions of Putin seem to be another Mongolian invasion of Kiev; here I suggest as to the correct metaphor. I believe so. Putin & Lavrov insistence to have purview over eastern Europe also seems like paying tribute to the Mongolian Horde. Moskva started as an agglomeration of Finnish tribes, combining a Finnish name meaning cows water and developed by Mongolian culture. Mosk means cow and Va means water. The RUS are men that row, Vikings, Norse, established Kiev 400 years before (750 AD) Moskva even thought to exist. The name Russia for current nation is totally inappropriate. The current Russia started in Moskva; how misleading is the name Russia coming from Moskva that has no connection to the RUS. All the lands should be returned to Kiev; the West of Russia to Finland, and the East to Mongolia. Russia’s place on the globe appears as a temporary aberration in my view. To use threats of Nukes publicly strikes at the heart as adolescent behaviour; surely any nation or person that issues such threats and being an ally to such while not even having war imposed on them is not fit to rule. This would include allies of Russia. Oh yes, I remember, Russia didn't invent the bomb, they stole it in the 1940's and gave it to Kurchatov. Russia struggles with an identity crisis since its beginnings unoriginal to the ethnic groups. Its errors are numerous, 50 million killed by Stalin in WW2, allied to the Nazis to kill the Poles for their defeat in WW2, Holodomor where millions of Ukrainians were killed and grain stolen, and constant antagonist with Europe. We even have the Holy Mother announcing Russia’s errors at Fatima. Russia is a Mongolian culture and all the first Czars were Mongolian and Batu Kahn is the author.
In first 10 minutes of lecture Snyder said 6 blatant lies, which are easily disputable. I appeal to everybody watching this to avoid it and find some decent history book.
Vlada Stankovic Yes, please list the lies, we know enough to be able to double check your info as well. We are surrounded by history books, of the real kind.
@Nspnspker For those unable to read 7 point post from 5 years ago i will RE-post it: "Here are some points that are presented in a completely inadequate light: 1. Idea that "Ukraine" (it is questionable what it presented in 16th and 17th century) was, through Poland, part of western renaissance is insulting to say the least. People of Ukraine under Polish rule were not ONLY socially oppressed as Snyder states, but also religiously and culturally. It is true that most of the pressure against orthodox! population (which used autonym RUS` ) was conducted by autochthonous polonized aristochracy mostly converted to catholicsm. But the spiritus movendi behind it was polish desire to incorporate CONQUERED lands and people, and convert them. There was no cultural renaissance for those who wanted to remain orthodox Rus'. 2. Ukraine was not integral part of Polish republic in cultural and social sense. Rzeczpospolita wasn't republic in true sense, it was more of an olygarchy where powerful magnats ruled their fiefdoms in cruelty, especially towards the orthodox. In that society Ukraine with it's ethnically and culturally foreign population was more of prey than part of the society. 3. Idea that uprising of 1648 was incited ONLY by social inequalities is beyond good taste. This is something that even polish jesuit priest wouldn't say in his right mind. 4. The position of Rus' population of Grand Dutchy of Lithuania started to deteriorate gradually after the Jagellonian union. These ancestors of modern Byelorussians were truly integral part of Lithuanian state with more or less equal rights until Poles started influencing internal social consensus. It ended up with Byelorussians being subjigated people with little or no rights, just like ancestors of Ukrainians in Poland. 5. It is true that origins of modern idea of what nation is, lay in the 19th century. It is also true that by that time part of the Rus' living primarily in western part of what is today Ukraine have acquired a separate identity from other Rus' peoples (Byelorussians and Rossiyans), but the true creators of the ideology of "Ukrainism"(Ukrainians being what ever as long as they hate Russians) are Austrian state and roman catolic church. Klyuchevski is great paradigm, he wrote first "Ukrainian history" (popularised by russian-hating communists in 1930s during "rooting" policies) and although he used some solid basis he went to great length to prove that modern Russian and Ukrainian nation didn't stem from the same tree and the only heir to history of Kievan Rus' are Ukrainians. Nowdays it is acknowledged that Klyuchevsky was on Austrian payrole, and that means he had an agenda. 6. What is conveniently omitted is that in 1914 some 80k people in Austria occupied Galicia who declared themselves as Rus' (Russin or Ruthenian) instead of Ukrainians were executed (although most of them were greeco-catholics) and further 200k were expelled. This created the core territory and population for newly forming nation on basis of anti-russian sentiment. The descendants of these western Ukrainians we see fully at work today (most of the top players in Kiev nowdays are non-orthodox). 7. The statement that Serbia is guilty for WWI, although very popular in modern revisionist historiography. (you know the one where Hitler was defending free Europe from Russians while propagating socialism, where west European colonial powers were bringing peace, prosperity and enlightenment to the world etc.) German historian Fritz Fisher debunked any claim of this in 1960s. Austria had a plan of attack on Serbia in 1907, and Konrad fon Hoetzendorf (Austrian chief of staff) urged Frantz Joseph and baron Erental to declare war on no less than 24 occasions during 1912/13. I guess that 52m strong A/H was threatened by 3,4m strong Serbia after occupying Bosnia in 1878 where Serbs comprised 50% of (completely oppressed) population. This is only 12min of lecture. I understand that depending of where you come from you have different view of the same events, but this is going too far. If you are really interested why Snyder is doing what he does, you should follow for whom he works for (apart Yale where he's mostly absent according to a friend of mine who works in one of history departments there). This said i am fully aware that Ukrainian history with Russian Imperial state was at times difficult one. Also i am aware that Ukrainians ahve separated identity from Russians. BUT Ukrainians shouldn't fool themselves, the west will bring you nothing but hardship and exploitation. Only in agreement of some kind with Russia can there be any prosperity for Ukraine that have already suffered too much. My heart goes to ordinary Ukrainian, as well as Russian, who should be given a chance of decent life."
Anti-communist and anti-russian propaganda. Its ok with me if you are anti-communist or even anti-russian (he is an american that is being paid and idolized by specific interests). But he is definitely not an honest and objective man
The true name of so called "Ukraine" is Rus' (in greek-latin literation - Russia) and that is a most Russian part in Russia, which was called as Ρωσία ( "ROSIA") even in 11-12 century international documents and in byzantine chronics. There is not such country and nation as ukranians. Ukraine is illegal name of ancient Russia - Rus'. That is a new term (Ukraine) that begin to used officialy as a name of this historical province only by bolshevicks - under tyrants Lenin and Stalin. Now, after collapse of USSR, that province which is historically is more Russia, than any other part of Russia - was forced by it ruling prowestern bureacracy to myphological propaganda that Ukraine is not Russia. But in reality the Ukraine is Russia, the most ancient part of Russia, remember this forever, western people, you always cheating by media. Ukraine became the independent state only thanks to the soviet nationality administrative territorial system, that declared most important national regions as formal union republics and that status also had Ukraine, however ukranians isnt separate nation but only south-west type of Russian nation.
all the moscow trolls just keep telling he's propagandist though unable to disprove a single fact he says. why do you think people are that stupid to belive your shots rather than this man's evidences?
Thanks to Timothy Snyder for giving a brilliant lecture! If I ever saw a genius historian, it is him, to be honest. His speech is incredibly articulate.
The number of Moscowite trolls in the comments is incredible. And two years after this lecture has been uploaded, they still can not resist to post their bullshit here in anger. Goes to show how pathetic these Moscowite imperialists are nowadays.
You're right .
Вы совсем правды.
Vous avez raison.
This is excellent!
Вчіть англійську, розумники ! ))
this video aged like wine
Snyder knowledge of 11 languages. To use primary and archival sources in Germany and Central Europe in researching his book, Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin, published in 2010 to considerable acclaim. Reviewer:
Yet a closer look at the text and endnotes reveals that evidence drawn from archives represents but a small fraction of this book’s evidentiary apparatus. This is a project built on secondary sources. Snyder’s secondary sources are of the kind that even many specialists are unlikely to have seen, which is hardly surprising because Snyder can do research in ten languages. "Bloodlands" takes nuggets from each source, then assembles them into an original mosaic. Almost every paragraph of the book’s eleven chapters is supported by one or several previously underutilized secondary sources
Well, that depends on your definition of "knowledge". Having heard a sample of his Ukrainian I highly doubt he'd able to do this in Ukrainian.
Very lucid presentation of the tensions facing Ukraine,
especially during the 20th century, culminating now
in the elections on May 25th, 2014.
The Brezhnev project of Russian integration of the 70's - closing down of Ukrainian language elementary schools--@about 25"....the agenda was always there...it's only paused here and there waiting for the opportune moment.
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Whilst Snyder is an exceptional contemporary historian, his function as part of the Anglo-American doctrinal system should not be overlooked. His critical analysis is invaluable, particularly regarding the Holocaust, but his allegiance is to the liberal order. NATO, for him, was brought into Eastern Europe by invitation rather than imposition - an extremely dubious position, but reasonable for someone like him to have.
And what is the US role in all this? Talking abt Europe alone as an independent entity is hiding its dependence on US. Hiding the interests of the US in Ukraine and in Europe is not to be hidden. It s obvious and flagrantly noticed. How can you account for that?
In 60 AD Apostle Saint Andrew traveled to the area of Kiev, preached, and said, one day a great city would be built here with many churches to the glory of God. Today there is a church to Saint Andrew in Kiev. The peoples in the area were Slavic. Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv, three brothers and the sister Lybid founded Kiev in 482 AD, Kiev was named after the older brother Kyi. Kiev the older brother was King. Herodotus wrote that Hercules had founded this land.
The Rus were Viking tribes that settled peacefully in Kiev as far back as 750 AD with the Slavs there, 400 years before Moskva existed. The name Russia, coming from the city Moskva, has no connection to the RUS. Russia coming from Moskva started with Batu Kahn much later as a vasal under Mongolian rule. All the early Czars were Mongolian and of no connection to the RUS. The Rus were with the Slavs to the south in Kiev. Moskva were Finnish Urgic Tribes; Mosk means cow and Va water, which are Finnish names. There was no RUS there. The ethnic background of Moskva is Finnish-Urgic and Mongolian. The Rus developed the religion, city Kiev, alphabet, churches, and had its saints. The founder of Kievian Rus (800) or the Rus was a Viking named Askold or Oskold (Norse) from Sweden; not Oleg as in the Russian story. Kievian Rus exists long Before Novgorod and Oleg’s arrival there. Askold is the Slavic name. Oskold, the first King of Kievian Rus was in Kiev before Oleg in Novgorod. Oskold had 200 ships and 20,000 warriors. Oskold was baptized in Constantinople (128 years before Volodymyr) and sent the first bishop back to Kiev. Oskold and Dir were the first Dynasty of Kievian Rus. Askold rules from the 40-60s and Dir to the 80s. Askold is buried in Kiev and the first Kievian Christian King & Dynasty. Oleg followed coming from Sweden through Novgorod and was a pagan. Russia as named today started in the city of Moskva over 400 years later after Kievian Rus or Rus. From Kiev, the capitol of Rus, Kievian culture was spread, much like the Greeks Hellenized the known world, or like the British anglicized the world by the English language. This process does not make Moskva to become RUS in as much as Persian are not Greek. How we are misled by a name; Russia. The capitol of the RUS has always been Kiev. There is no other RUS and no RUS in Moskva. Many say Ukraine began recently; but the culture of the RUS is Kievian RUS, both culture and ethnic background. Ukraine is a name given by Poland meaning outer lands. The land of the RUS before the Mongolian invasion was very large. The name RUS is a Norse name which means men that row; there are no men that row in Moskva. So Moskva adopted the name Russia while being a Mongolian vassal, essentially traitor to the RUS; and all the Czars were Mongolian-Finnish. The Culture of the Mongolian was centralized power, and that cultural imprint was passed on to present day Russia. Ukraine’s real name should be Kievian RUS, or Kievskarus! Russia began in Moskva by Batu Kahn and Novgorod conquered much later, still no connection to the Rus.
Putin & Lavrov should be ashamed of themselves, the USSR was an occupation; it never had the status of a sovereign state and due process of law that would be associated with a free society. Even today the mentality of the gulag exists. There is no freedom of press and speech, people are arrested for speech, there is no due process of law, and the religion is state run making it totalitarian theocracy. As such, it did not deserve to exist in a free world; and history has shown such totalitarian organizations fail over time and author in many gulags. The true culture of Russia is Finno-Ugric and Mongolian, having nothing to do with the RUS (Kievian), expect borrowed as in the sense of Hellenized or Anglicized "forms" as a comparative reference. The centralized form of Russian politics is a very Mongolian imprint on culture. The actions of Putin seem to be another Mongolian invasion of Kiev; here I suggest as to the correct metaphor. I believe so. Putin & Lavrov insistence to have purview over eastern Europe also seems like paying tribute to the Mongolian Horde. Moskva started as an agglomeration of Finnish tribes, combining a Finnish name meaning cows water and developed by Mongolian culture. Mosk means cow and Va means water. The RUS are men that row, Vikings, Norse, established Kiev 400 years before (750 AD) Moskva even thought to exist. The name Russia for current nation is totally inappropriate. The current Russia started in Moskva; how misleading is the name Russia coming from Moskva that has no connection to the RUS. All the lands should be returned to Kiev; the West of Russia to Finland, and the East to Mongolia. Russia’s place on the globe appears as a temporary aberration in my view. To use threats of Nukes publicly strikes at the heart as adolescent behaviour; surely any nation or person that issues such threats and being an ally to such while not even having war imposed on them is not fit to rule. This would include allies of Russia. Oh yes, I remember, Russia didn't invent the bomb, they stole it in the 1940's and gave it to Kurchatov. Russia struggles with an identity crisis since its beginnings unoriginal to the ethnic groups. Its errors are numerous, 50 million killed by Stalin in WW2, allied to the Nazis to kill the Poles for their defeat in WW2, Holodomor where millions of Ukrainians were killed and grain stolen, and constant antagonist with Europe. We even have the Holy Mother announcing Russia’s errors at Fatima. Russia is a Mongolian culture and all the first Czars were Mongolian and Batu Kahn is the author.
at 27:00:00 he mentions that Ukraine didn't exist, that's not so, it was a republic of the USSR.
Testing
Testing
In first 10 minutes of lecture Snyder said 6 blatant lies, which are easily disputable. I appeal to everybody watching this to avoid it and find some decent history book.
will you be so kind to name those 6 lies in 10 minutes? seems you just made it up
Vlada Stankovic Yes, please list the lies, we know enough to be able to double check your info as well. We are surrounded by history books, of the real kind.
Andy Trust I am sorry, it was 7 lies in 12 minutes. I have posted them.
@Nspnspker For those unable to read 7 point post from 5 years ago i will RE-post it:
"Here are some points that are presented in a completely inadequate light:
1. Idea that "Ukraine" (it is questionable what it presented in 16th and 17th century) was, through Poland, part of western renaissance is insulting to say the least. People of Ukraine under Polish rule were not ONLY socially oppressed as Snyder states, but also religiously and culturally. It is true that most of the pressure against orthodox! population (which used autonym RUS` ) was conducted by autochthonous polonized aristochracy mostly converted to catholicsm. But the spiritus movendi behind it was polish desire to incorporate CONQUERED lands and people, and convert them. There was no cultural renaissance for those who wanted to remain orthodox Rus'.
2. Ukraine was not integral part of Polish republic in cultural and social sense. Rzeczpospolita wasn't republic in true sense, it was more of an olygarchy where powerful magnats ruled their fiefdoms in cruelty, especially towards the orthodox. In that society Ukraine with it's ethnically and culturally foreign population was more of prey than part of the society.
3. Idea that uprising of 1648 was incited ONLY by social inequalities is beyond good taste. This is something that even polish jesuit priest wouldn't say in his right mind.
4. The position of Rus' population of Grand Dutchy of Lithuania started to deteriorate gradually after the Jagellonian union. These ancestors of modern Byelorussians were truly integral part of Lithuanian state with more or less equal rights until Poles started influencing internal social consensus. It ended up with Byelorussians being subjigated people with little or no rights, just like ancestors of Ukrainians in Poland.
5. It is true that origins of modern idea of what nation is, lay in the 19th century. It is also true that by that time part of the Rus' living primarily in western part of what is today Ukraine have acquired a separate identity from other Rus' peoples (Byelorussians and Rossiyans), but the true creators of the ideology of "Ukrainism"(Ukrainians being what ever as long as they hate Russians) are Austrian state and roman catolic church. Klyuchevski is great paradigm, he wrote first "Ukrainian history" (popularised by russian-hating communists in 1930s during "rooting" policies) and although he used some solid basis he went to great length to prove that modern Russian and Ukrainian nation didn't stem from the same tree and the only heir to history of Kievan Rus' are Ukrainians. Nowdays it is acknowledged that Klyuchevsky was on Austrian payrole, and that means he had an agenda.
6. What is conveniently omitted is that in 1914 some 80k people in Austria occupied Galicia who declared themselves as Rus' (Russin or Ruthenian) instead of Ukrainians were executed (although most of them were greeco-catholics) and further 200k were expelled. This created the core territory and population for newly forming nation on basis of anti-russian sentiment. The descendants of these western Ukrainians we see fully at work today (most of the top players in Kiev nowdays are non-orthodox).
7. The statement that Serbia is guilty for WWI, although very popular in modern revisionist historiography. (you know the one where Hitler was defending free Europe from Russians while propagating socialism, where west European colonial powers were bringing peace, prosperity and enlightenment to the world etc.) German historian Fritz Fisher debunked any claim of this in 1960s. Austria had a plan of attack on Serbia in 1907, and Konrad fon Hoetzendorf (Austrian chief of staff) urged Frantz Joseph and baron Erental to declare war on no less than 24 occasions during 1912/13. I guess that 52m strong A/H was threatened by 3,4m strong Serbia after occupying Bosnia in 1878 where Serbs comprised 50% of (completely oppressed) population.
This is only 12min of lecture. I understand that depending of where you come from you have different view of the same events, but this is going too far. If you are really interested why Snyder is doing what he does, you should follow for whom he works for (apart Yale where he's mostly absent according to a friend of mine who works in one of history departments there).
This said i am fully aware that Ukrainian history with Russian Imperial state was at times difficult one. Also i am aware that Ukrainians ahve separated identity from Russians. BUT Ukrainians shouldn't fool themselves, the west will bring you nothing but hardship and exploitation. Only in agreement of some kind with Russia can there be any prosperity for Ukraine that have already suffered too much.
My heart goes to ordinary Ukrainian, as well as Russian, who should be given a chance of decent life."
Ami go home!
Anti-communist and anti-russian propaganda. Its ok with me if you are anti-communist or even anti-russian (he is an american that is being paid and idolized by specific interests). But he is definitely not an honest and objective man
The true name of so called "Ukraine" is Rus' (in greek-latin literation - Russia) and that is a most Russian part in Russia, which was called as Ρωσία ( "ROSIA") even in 11-12 century international documents and in byzantine chronics. There is not such country and nation as ukranians. Ukraine is illegal name of ancient Russia - Rus'. That is a new term (Ukraine) that begin to used officialy as a name of this historical province only by bolshevicks - under tyrants Lenin and Stalin. Now, after collapse of USSR, that province which is historically is more Russia, than any other part of Russia - was forced by it ruling prowestern bureacracy to myphological propaganda that Ukraine is not Russia. But in reality the Ukraine is Russia, the most ancient part of Russia, remember this forever, western people, you always cheating by media. Ukraine became the independent state only thanks to the soviet nationality administrative territorial system, that declared most important national regions as formal union republics and that status also had Ukraine, however ukranians isnt separate nation but only south-west type of Russian nation.
boring vomit of kremlin propaganda. try to use some creativity at least.
Stay tuned, idiot