Very good interview. Any wait to watch the other parts. Big ups to Jared for coming onto your channel. Very good advice on trying the other systems to gain a better perspective. Keep up the good work.
I think Fro just hates APSC. There should be alot of people interested in a D500 mirrorless. Considering how well Canon's R7 sold something in a similar price point and fast sensor and very high fps would be quite attractive. People who shoot wildlife do matter for Nikon especially considering that they do so much better in that genre and have the best ecosystem of lenses. The only space I see for a new Z7 would be if the MP increased or there were major improvements in bit depth, dynamic range and image quality - the Z7 is just in a really awkward position right now.
I must point out one thing that "No" Z9 and Z8 are not the same camera. One biggest issue pushed me to choose Z9 over Z8 which is Z9 has a build-in GPS but not Z8. I am an outdoor photographer and a build-in GPS dramatically helps me to record the location of every and each image. True, many people would say why don't you use apps on your phone to keep tracking location info. I used it with Sony A1. However, if you use map app on your phone to help your driving, you would have your phone set up in your car and not every single time remember to take it with you when you grab your camera and rush out of your car. A build-in GPS for an outdoor photographer is one of the best gifts. I have also complained that why Nikon doesn't implement a build-in GPS onto Z8 because obviously that Z8 is a lighter, easier to carry and more suitable for outdoor photo shooting than Z9. Z9 is better for indoor usage because of its size and weight and yet Z9 has a build-in GPS but not Z8. This is so very unfortunate for an outdoor photographer.
I love where resolution is now 45mp is great. Going from 24mp to 45mp on the Z8 made me want to shoot Black and White again. Diffusion is the Beast Nikon will have to contend with if they stuff 80plus megapixels on a full frame sensor... The Zmount could handle a slightly larger sensor, but then you need Plena style lens for it.
@@williambuford6136 I'm hoping they venture into a high resolution FX or entry Medium format... Figures crossed. I don't pay many of these TH-camrs much mind when I use the gear daily as a tool for client work... Good luck out there🤜🏾
lol If you watch or follow “The Fro” he’s always been against cropping an image, thank you for this video it proves he’s just full of it. I’ve cropped heavy on the older Canon 5D mark 3 an gotten great results so I agree you don’t need a lot, however.. now that I’ve shot 45 mp on the R5 I can’t ever go back because I can get 3 different images essentially from 1 image all super sharp. You can’t however do that on a 24mp sensor without losing IQ.
I'm from the same town as Jared; it's fun to hear the Philly come out in him lol. Very rightfully opinionated but particularly ranty this day. Great points about at least knowing about the current capabilities of the Big 3 even if you're deep into one of them and not interested in starting over with a new brand. For years I could care less what Sony or Canon were up to as a Nikon shooter, but now I'm super intrigued. Every big release has some "wow" innovation further upping the ante, Sony a9 iii's global shutter, and what Jared demoed for the new Canon autofocus the other day - AF following the player with the ball, unbelievable. I thought being able to switch eyes with the Z8 (which I got from Allen's Camera locally btw) was a big deal. The level of competition is so high, you can't really go wrong with any brand's model in the same tier. What I'm wondering is, might the innovations of each manufacturer lead to new industry standards? OR, at least in the short term, each company will have exclusive rights to the features they introduced to the market from patents. From example, might we see Nikon have a version of the "follow the ball" AF system soon, or not possible due to that being Canon's intellectual property? I like how each of the big 3's systems can "find the eye" on people. I don't know the history of that, but was it not patentable? Or it was and each company figured out a sightly different way to include it? For the consumer's sake I hope these new innovations become standards. I think there are plenty of reasons to go with one manufacturer or another even if the tech is comparable. Lens choices, system familiarity, aesthetics, brand loyalty, etc.
For the most part, I agree with Jared. I've been using the top brands for many years now and even though I know Canon and Sony has superior autofocus, I still do a lot of my work with Nikon and Fujifilm. Now I don't agree with Jared's opinion about a mirrorless D500. We all know that he does not believe in cropping in and shooting tight, so he doesn't see the benefits of the extra reach that a crop sensor gives. I shoot nature as well and I honestly appreciate the extra reach of a crop sensor. I don't shoot at zoos and safaris where animals are used to being close to ppl so that extra reach is necessary in the actual wild.
A good blind in the wild seems to help get those amazing bird and wildlife photos. 600mm seems short when shooting BIF at times. For some wildlife in a hot climate 600mm-800mm or longer your photos can suffer from atmospheric distortion effects. I love my D500. Funny thing using my Z6iii at a baseball game, I miss the controls of my D500 for changing release modes. Removing the special dials from Z camera just bloats the menus. The Z6iii Menus needs to have all the Shutter options in the Shooting menu, Like my Z8. The Z8 has more function buttons to assign things too, but I missed the Dials.
I have a Z9 and love the fact that they've put most of it into a smaller body. It gives me more options. Nikon should keep doing the best they can, not artificially limit some cameras to try and force their customers to spend more. In the long run Nikon shooters will be more loyal that way. I think a D500 equivalent in the Z mount would be great if they could keep the price down and make the AF excellent. If you could get the equivalent megapixels as a Z9 in DX mode, but for $2k like the original (cheaper than the Z6iii) and your wildlife lenses had 1.5x reach, so the 180-600 became a 270-900mm lens, that would be super popular. Hell, I'd even think about getting one instead of one of those PF lenses, switch bodies instead of lenses!
I have luved JP for many years ,, When he left Nikon , I was unhappy (but I understood why).... I stayed with Nikon (for My reasons) But it Hurt when he would Tell the Truth about Nikon :( !!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
He doesn’t tell the «truth» about AF… who needs what he demands? Fact is, it will never be good enough for JP but for the rest of us, it is more than good enough.
Nice "get". Also a good convo about autofocus. I use Sony Lumix and Nikon and Nikon still feels behind Sony in autofocus. Lumix is still the worst. But I love them all, nonetheless.
I have a Z6 and a Z6iii. Z6 is just slower but was at the time pretty competitive to the cameras that were built around the same generation processor. You don't compare different generation processors. New camera processors are released every 4 years. If you compare iPhone 15 vs iPhone 11, how much faster is the 15. So people comparing different Gen just don't have the understanding of the hardware.
The Sony and Canons released at the Time of the Z6 and especially the Z6ii mopped the floor with Nikon Autofocus, but those times are behind us now. I love my Z6iii and Z8! I still have my Z6ii, I did not need highspeed focusing at event photography
@williambuford6136 not really. Sony Bionz XR came out in 2020. Canon DigicX came out in 2020 as well. Nikons Expeed 7 was released in October 2021. So almost 2 years after Sony and Canon released their processors.
@@mlai2546 The 2020 Sony A9II came out in 2020 with better Autofocus than the Z6ii. One year later all the Improved Sonys are out. The Canon R5 an R6 wiped the floor with the Z6ii in terms of autofocus in 2020. Sadly Nikon only released a more affordable camera with Expeed 7 focusing in the ZF in 2023. Glad the Z6iii finally made it out in 2024.
@@mlai2546 I understand perfectly. People care about the final product not what generation processor a camera has. Nikon was behind and playing catch up from the very beginning with the Expeed 6. Dual Expeed 6 was not much faster at all. Dual pixel autofocus was developed by Canon before the Expeed 6 was developed. Nikon lost market share due to being behind for so long in the mirrorless cameras. I stuck with Nikon due to the Z glass. I still had my Nikon DSLRs too. Nikon has closed the focus gap somewhat. The Expeed 8 will need to ship before Nikon Completes their rollout of Expeed 7 to the DX cameras at the current rate of release. Nikon DX bodies look super stale right now compared to the Canon and Sony APS-c bodies.
As a photographer who has been shooting 40 years I piss myself laughing when people say you can't use X or Y to shoot certain types of work. Yeah some are better than others, but when you learnt to shoot sports and weddings on a film DSLR with 5 autofocus points just about anything you have been able to buy in the last 10 years is absolutely amazing and more than good enough. My usual comeback is, 'you mean YOU can't shoot x on a certain camera.'
I far as I know, Jared has only recently become more involved in shooting Wildlife. Mostly he just goes to the Zoo to shoot Wildlife. So his recent safari trip to Africa did not all of sudden transform him into the Nature Photographer. So he would be literally the last big yTuber I would ask about advice on Cropped Sensor Cameras as opposed to FF cameras regardless of brand. The only FF camera that remotely gives users a Good cropped mode is the a7rV with it's 61MP, cropped mode being around 26MP. Most other FF cameras and we are talking way BELOW 20MP. The Door is wide open for the one the Major 3 BRANDS to do a proper STACKED cropped sensor camera. The Door is wide open for Nikon to do a 60MP plus Z7iii. Sony prices their a7rV at $3900. Sony also has a Ton of models and that does not seem to be hurting them. So Jared does not Run a Camera Company, so he is clueless of how THEY should be run.
What exactly do you mean when you say "way below 20MP", one megapixel? A ~45MP camera gives you 19MP in crop which is plenty of resolution to print an 11x14 image, which is also the sweet spot for a 24MP print. Printing 16 x 20 from either 19MP or 24MP is going to affect the quality and you'll most likely want to upscale both of those files.
@@mozzman Well a 24MP FF camera is somewhere around 10MP in cropped mode. What is the MP count in MOST FF cameras. Pretty sure the most commonly sold are around 24MP.
@@natureredux1957 You can't really just skip over all the 45-50Mp cameras and say the glacial a7rV is the only one capable of crop mode. When the D500 ($2000) debuted, most of Nikons lineup was still APS-C, so it made more sense to create a less expensive "fast action" body in the higher end of the lineup. The D800 ($3000) series was also only at 36MP, it wasn't until the D850 that they hit 45MP. In short there was a lot more justification in Nikons lineup for that camera than there is now IMO.
@@mozzman I really didn't skip over it. I just wanted to note what most FF cameras have as MP counts. Which by the way is 24MP. In short, there is still just as much justification NOW if not more so.
Fro isn't really a wildlife shooter and based on what I've seen the only wildlife he has really shot are large mammals so of course he wouldn't need a crop sensor or cropping for that - people who shoot smaller creature or can't get close do though. Sony has a much higher market cap and can afford to saturate and cannibalize their own sales. Nikon does not. I think what would be compelling is to have a crop sensor that has a fast sensor - they can either go for a lower end model priced similar to the Canon R7 or have a fully stacked $2,500 body that shoots way faster than 20 fps Raw. If it can't shoot way faster than the current full frame bodies and is priced similar to those then there is no point.
Crop sensor cameras are much lighter and the lenses are also lighter. It's perfect for vlogging. Why do you think Sony is releasing so many crop sensor cameras. Mr Polin. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's not useful. A Z30 with 10 bit and better AF is ABSOLUTELY a great next release!
Vlogging...get a DJI Pocket 3 To be honest , you look like an idiot carrying around a crop center camera vlogging....get a Dji pocket 3 The problem is Jarred. We can't just up and sell our can. We don't have the finances to do that. We pretty much have to pick one system and stay with it, so you are missing the point on that big time you need to drop the ego, dude, and here's 1 other bit of advice fee. Stop shooting everything at 1.2 ... With all due respect, my you're images looked very mushy every time you post them. You're not as good as what you think you are!
When the APSC lens lineup is lacking,you have to use FF lenses. Making the size advantage of APSC disappear. Not to mention that FF cameras now are same size or smaller than DSLR APSC cameras,so there really isn’t a reason to go apsc
@@VantaBlackhole on APSC I have a Viltrox 20mm 2.8 and Nikon 12-28mm, these are perfect. If Nikon doesn't plan to release a new APSC content creator camera, I'm getting another Z30, it does the AF job "well enough" for vlogging.
Hey Ryan, looking forward to seeing the podcast in it's entirety, but here is my 2 cents worth. What is missing and no one ever ever talks about is the Z5, it's a great budget camera that can be used as a work horse without breaking the bank. I find cameras are way more expensive now than they were ago bit that goes for everything so leave that where it is. I must admit I'm not a Jarad fan but he knows what he's talking about, I remember getting into mirroless with the a7r2 back in the day and the system wasn't ready but everyone knew the day would come and then the a7iii came. I remember just a year ago shooting with the Nikon Z5 and Z6, trying to use EAF in the studio, I quickly went back to my single point because the system was ready but finally the Z9 came out allowing Nikon to play with the big boys. I think all the systems are at a level that it just comes down the preference, either it be Sony, Fuji Canon or Nikon. I am a Canon shooter and I love Canon but having a professional camera at a budget price you can't beat the Z5, Canon could have with the R8 but having no ibis and using that tiny battery really killed that though. The next thing they have to work on is the point and shoot department, now would be a good time to wage war with the cellphones but I'm not a big camera executive but I think that's where they should start looking. Sony r100 and ZV1are great little cameras but Nikon or Canon haven't entered that field, so we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.
Great clip. I like & respect Jared. But I also believe other photographers offer very valid opinions on the latest AF systems. And yes they shoot with all of the big 3. Many wildlife guys have given examples where Nikon has absolutely outperformed the competition, certainly with newer Z8/9 firmware updates. Lots of opinions out there that are based on field experience. We’re also splitting hairs now on the differences, it’s a level playing field with each brand having their own unique advantages. In fairness, sure the R1 and R5II just leap-frogged other bodies. For now 🙂
I bought a Nikon z8 although I know canon has better af . But I stick to one brand and now finally it’s time for that great z8 You don’t have to buy the best all the time when you are happy with what you got
Yeah, reasonable, also Nikon is better in other ways. Nikon IBIS is best in class, the sensor image quality competes with GFX, and NIkon's lens lineup just seems to be going a better direction than Canon. If Nikon could figure out AF, they would be incredible.
@@prokremelskidezolati1426 Zf, Z6III as well - all the Expeed7 bodies are fantastic. I still won't knock the Z6/7 mark II's. The 6II was certainly great for me. Keeper rate for fast action not as high as my Z8 and Zf but for sure it got the job done.
@@Pantheragem I dont want a EVF because i dont look at that camera as one to take photos.. i would love for it to be like a FX 30 which is sonys crop sensor "cinema" camera. I think there is a lane for this. I only used my z30 for video but not having 10 bit really sucked. i honestly had no problem with auto focus. but thats because when you are taking photos you want all of your photos to be on the eye... with video with it being 30 frames.. its not uncommon for the eye to be a tad soft at times. especially when you are dealing with motion blur.. so if it focuses on a eye lash it really doesnt matter.
I would love nikon's answer to the a6700, canon r7, and fuji film xs20. What if i dont need a full frame camera and want a 10 bit camera with N-log and ibis. I love nikon cameras they should offer that. I dont want to switch brands i currently have a nikon z30 and zfc , along with some great apsc lenses, i want an upgraded DX camera. Im not a professional i dont need full frame!
Nikon should release some good APS-c lens, but they need to have a Expeed 7 DX camera as well. Nikon should have a Apsc version of that ZFs sensor to refresh all the Current DX mirrorless. They should also produce A Z90/Z500 with a partial stacked APSC sensor.
Agreed Nikon should not give that market away. Nikon had Registered two more cameras. Maybe they will be releases this fall. I bet one will be a High Megapixel Z7iii. Maybe the other is a Z50ii/Z90?
@@williambuford6136 I don't think that a Z7iii is mission critical for Nikon right now. The way their cameras are currently priced it would be awkward. I think people would be more interested in a very high speed shooting apsc or A9iii esq camera. Nikon really hasn't focused alot of attention on the lower end gear so they should take some time to flesh that out. If you don't have compelling options in the low end how are you going to attract new photographers and eventually graduate them to your higher end Full frame lines.
What nikon needs right now is a d3600 equivalent to ease in the beginner/low budget shooters. I think Jared's opinion on the d500 shows why people say he's not a real world professional, makes it hard to take him seriously. That camera was incredibly popular and was extremely loved by every professional that had one in their bag, how can you say there's no need for a crop sensor in this day, when super expensive broadcast cameras are chosen for the utility and versatility that a crop sensor affords.
He has an opinion on the D500 / APSC bodies that doesn’t align with yours, so that makes him unprofessional? I won’t touch another APSC body, does that make me “not real” too? Silly. The dude’s work speaks for itself. Lol he’s out at just about every Phillies game testing the latest gear. And lately, some really old film gear.
I don't always agree with Jared, but he's right about this. It's such a niche market that it doesn't make a lot of sense to develop a "Pro" APS-C camera when you can get a full frame for the same price. I bet 99% of the people on the internet crying for a Z500 wouldn't buy one if it came out. Most of the justification is just to copy Canon's offerings yet they have no insight into Canons sales, I'm pretty sure Nikon does however.
@csc-photo it's not his opinion so much, it's the way he says the D500 is shit. I'm not sure he really means it but it implies you can't get great photos from it which is a bit hard on people who love the 500. I bought The D7500 partly due to Jarod who did a good review on it .
@@Flashback543 z5 is full frame though Edit: due to the nature of their photography some people prefer a crop sensor and would rather not buy a pos in order to get that 1.5x magnification.
A Z F mk ii with z8 Sensor and uncropped 4k60 yet still with a shutter would sell like CRAZY …they could brand it as „Photo First“ and be a secret video weapon but with the glorious nostalgic style..
This is a great clip, and I'm a Nikon (and former JPG, LOL) shooter. I'm active on DPR and most of that crowd doesn't get how much better Canon and Sony are. I switched to Sony for the past year, but I just don't enjoy using them. I literally can't put my finger on it, but I don't pick them up as often as I would a Nikon. Canon just doesn't have the mid-range fast lenses I prefer. I adapt a few e-mount lenses to my Z's. Don't underestimate more pixels on a subject, and how nice the Z50 is with all of the controls on the right. The DX lenses are impressive for what they are. Even the 24-70F4S is awesome on a DX body. It needs to share a battery with the other Z's and have no soft/lcd buttons. The Z50 is the ONLY Z that flips the screen down more than 45 degrees and has a built-in flash. For most needs AF is adequate. The Z30 keeps up with the II's, which it shouldn't b able to. AF-C acquisition is great, but it drifts, and that is SOFTWARE not hardware. Nikon needs to let us adjust subject tracking settings and dial down/off their closest subject bias. Also, let us prevent focus jumping to the background. The detected subject focusing feature is okay, but might need improvement. Nikon also further complicated the AF modes from the II's. I rarely can change between subjects and we have no face registeration/AI preference feature. It doesn't even have the cycle AF like the Z8 has.
I'd be all over a 26-30mp DX, IBIS (for bad technique, moving platforms, longer glass, dragging the shutter) partially stacked camera. It could be the size of a gen1 Z, but NO LARGER. So maybe not just a DX Z8. I'd even pay as much as the Z6III for it. I'd pair it with a used Z7II for landscapes and non critical AF work. I wouldn't have to switch lenses in the field as much.
The one area I'm always confident Jared doesn't know what he's talking about is always with wildlife photography. The thought process of "just crop 45mp FF it'll be better" is why there's so many water color, super low mp, and bad wildlife photos posted.
@@johnw.3636 watch PetaPixels review. In order to save the shadow highlights on the Z6iii you have to use an outdoor Flash. It is what it is. Facts over feelings my friend.
I agree with the Fro on this. Him calling out Nikon for being a bit below Sony and Canon autofocus systems is correct and right. I also shoot with a Sony A7 IV and the eye auto focus still catches the eye a bit faster and more for sure than my Nikon ZF with the most updated firmware. However, the ZF autofocus system is very good. If you only shoot with Nikon and don’t compare with other brands, you will be happy with the Nikon ZF. I am still very happy with the Nikon ZF’s autofocus system. In Autofocus continuous it is crazy sticky.
Blimey I think we've moved on from Z6 Z7 af story. A d500 mirrorless at say 25- 30mp for me would be perfect option with some budget or third party long lenses. To keep light and not too expensive. Its not realistic I know 😊
He’s right. You should try every camera out there to keep your audience informed. My fujifilm channel is lit up because I keep telling them how shitty their af is in 2024. There are a few naysayers that think I’m spinning lies but the rest appreciate the truth.
Is modern day photography all about autofocus? Those of us who shoot in the studio, do we need the top of the line autofocus? What about medium and large format film shooters.. are they still photographyers because they don't autofocus?
to be completely honest. I shoot in mostly in studio. and if i didnt have a modeling light on in the studio with my Z7ii it didnt always nail focus. auto focus on Nikon DSLRs was better. it was accurate.. but where we currently are with nikon.. it is great now. in my humble opinion
a Z500 is a lot of money to invest for nikon cause there are little to no APSC Z lenses atm. it wouldn't be profitable for the time being. also nikon said they will focus on higher tier cameras going forward
I could see a Z7 III come out if the collective voice is loud and persistent enough. There is a gap between $2500 & $4000: $3200. If Nikon thinks a Z7 III will sell then they'll probably make it. The D500 was the result of years worth of "where's the D400?" "The D7000 series not pro enough, and the D700 series - not everyone was immediately ready to readjust to FF after 5 years of APS-C-only, their 70-200s now seeming a lot wider. Maybe some prefer getting their compositions as close to right as shot, rather than spend time in post cropping photos. One thing I saw in the D500 and D7500 that I don't see in the Z APS-C offerings is the additional 1.3x crop option on top of DX. I could program a button to switch from DX (24 x 16) to 1.3x (18 x 12) so walking around with a prime I had two focal length options with the same aspect ratio. I can totally see how many people would say this "feature" is stupid, but I like to compose in camera, and the less time I spend on a computer later the better. I do like how the Z50 has the 1:1 square option, for instagram or other square composition reasons. And 16:9 for a cinematic look. Sometimes it's nice to commit to an aspect ratio when shooting for composition reasons or just a challenge. I like how much versatility the largest possible RAW file gives, but also the challenge of getting it right as shot. Like in the film days, only so many shots to get it right, otherwise wasting a lot of $ on film. I don't see Nikon releasing a pro APS-C mirrorless camera. But with the Z DX 24mm f/1.7 and the only "power zoom" being the DX 12-28, I can see an advanced enthusiast or whatever coming out at some point. even if it's just the Z 50 II with more tech like body image stabilization, would be nice.
I hope Nikon do make a Z7 III with the same high res EVF as the Z6 III. I shoot mainly landscapes using manual focus primes so an improved EVF should make it easier to focus.
@@felm.974 I like the Z30 also it’s my walk around camera Nikon could put out the 100 megapixel camera with psychic auto focus and he would have something to say about it.
The issue is camera prices for full frame have always been expensive, and even more so now. Yes, I could buy a Z8 / Z9 and crop in for wildlife photography, but that still means buying a $3500 - $5500 camera body, when all I really want / need as a hobbyist is a D7x00/D500 mirrorless equivalent to use with my 180-600. I have a Z50, and I’d rather shoot wildlife with my D7500 because it has better handling for larger lenses. I also paid $999 for the D7500. I’d love a half stacked APS-C 24 MP Z80 for $1500. Photography is quickly turning into a rich man’s hobby, and I think that’s sad.
Good ole Jared, always with the hot takes. ;) I completely disagree on 24mp tho. I shot for years on D800@36mp and when it came time to replace it I went with D750 because I was also convinced that 24 should be enough. For a lot of reasons I HATED that camera and 24mp was one of them, its just not enough pixels to work with. Sure we used to shoot at 12 or 4 or whatever, but that was because we had no choice. Now that I have the choice I will never touch 24mp again. Maybe if all you ever shoot for is social media, 24 is fine but when you need latitude for varying crops for a client while also being prepared for high resolution print 24mp just doesn't cut it. ~4500px wide is only 15" when printed at 300dpi. (And yes, I get that tools like Topaz Giga exist, but in my testing even the best AI upscale tools still don't beat just having more pixels to begin with) As for AF, completely agree on that, like TBH even Z8/Z9/Z6II autofocus isn't amazing, its just finally at a place where it isn't pitiful but those cameras still get confused way more than the competition.
Yes Nikon could charge more for a High MP Z7iii than they do the Z8 depending on the features. What if Nikon releases Z7iii with 45-60MP and more DR(15-17stops) than any Nikon mirrorless to date? I think they would have a winner, especially if it had some diffraction compensation.
Ask yourself this, why are so many influencers now adopting Wildlife as part of their Ytuber Venue. Where as before, many of them literally spit on Wildlife shooters. Sony has the new a6700, which by the way Sony STATES is not their Flagship cropped camera and Canon has their R7 which might soon be replaced with a Stacked Sensor R7ii. Even a partially stacked Z500 would put Nikon in a Great Position.
the problem is by you saying we dont need a high megapixel camera it stops progress progress is needed and so is inovation nikon need to add a medium format camera to there line up and there are people like me who want and need higher mega pixel cameras
Nikon needs to take their EXPEED7 and continue to move down the stack. Bring out a $1500 Z5II and a $1000 Z50II with the Z9's Autofocus, and lure new photographers into the Nikon system.
I’m sorry Ryan but in this interview, you sound like you know nothing about cameras and seem to get stumped by many things that Jared is talking about! Like it’s way over your head. The D500 ???? “The Z30 is beautiful -I had it but I sold it”……duh ?
I disagree. I’m a Nikon shooter wanting a higher end APS-C camera. Jared’s thoughts are his opinions and he’s speaking from what he likes. In essence he wants Nikon’s lineup to reflect what he likes. Wanting a Z 7 III or a d500 replacement is not a bad thing, I feel many in the community want that as well. Also, the great thing about options is the mere fact it’s an option. What may not be for one person, may be a dream for another photog.
When Jared was trashing APS-C, you should have reminded him of his glowing review of the D500: th-cam.com/video/Zm007Dml4lc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zU2d4vbQRaXqkUVo
I know he's very accomplished and has built a huge following but my god is this dude arrogant. He can't possibly imagine someone using a camera who isn't a working professional with decades of experience and unlimited budget. We don't need crop sensor cameras? I guess Fuji should cut out the X100, XH, XT, and XS lines. Sony should kill the A6000 and FX30 lines too. And regarding the Z7iii, I assume he believes the Sony A7RV is redundant and shouldn't exist? After all, the A7IV is 33mp and the A1 is 50...
Price of the camera is a very small advantage, if any, for APS-C. Z50 is $850. Z5 is usually $1000. $150 buys you an FX sensor, a better EVF, better durability, and IBIS.
Polin makes it sound as if the z8 was the first Nikon to achieve auto focus. It is not a requirement to re-evaluate your camera system every year to make sure you have the highest level auto focus machine. Both F mount and Z mount Nikons have have been used in sports and wildlife photography for years. Just get a camera and make use of it.
"Both F mount and Z mount Nikons have have been used in sports and wildlife photography for years." Oh, really? Which Z's EXACTLY did you see the pros with? Z5, Z6/6 II, 7/7 II or Z50? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's the old arrogant Jarred coming out of the closet. But at least this time he's right about Nikons focusing. In the past he argued with me that mirrorless wasn't the future. Saying a mirrorless camera will never be as good as a DSLR.
I send my Z6III back because it has worse dynamic range and more noise (green!!!) than my old Z6, the EVF uses 5,7Mpx only in still mode!!! and I got ugly flickering at the blacks (green/violett) at video!!! You told us the Z6 was not good!??? but it was a way rounder package in 2018 than the Z6III in 2024! AF is not everything! And AF-C with eyes and Tracking on Fn1 it's working quite ok for such an old camera. I now have to go with the Z8 because this new sensor experiment from Nikon does not work for me. ...IAM very sad about this!
I will say when I was using the z6 I thought it worked well... then I get the z8 used that more frequently, went back to use he z6 and I was frustrated lol. I still think that the z6 was an amazing camera though.
one thing nikon has always got right was picture quality. even with this z8 that i have now... as far as picture quality its not much different than my z7ii . it just became more easier to use. better hit rate better focusing at night better video specs. ect.
You know different cameras but not what you can do only with new AI algorithms... you can make the Z8 AF still way better with the exact same hardware! You could make even the Z6 and Z6II better but after a few years Nikon stops the support.
Nikon lost me at the Z6. I patiently waited for that offering to come out. After having had used the A7III and me having eye witnessed what was what. I went to a popular NYC camera store and traded everything except for my D700 and my 85mm 1.8G . Nikon got too greedy and continued to squeeze people for their great but on the way out legacy line.
I am currently using Z6II, Z8 and Z9 every single day for work.. I have never had a problem with af on any of those cameras.. problem is that youtubers get their income from youtube and the more views, the more money.. all this AF talk is BS..
Nah, he is still wrong, the AF worked fine on the Z6II and Z7II until the subject moved fast or when shooting in low light, why doesn't he say that?... He just FOCUSES on everything bad, plus cursing is super unprofessional too.
I'm not gonna switch gears because Jared Polin doesnt like a camera's AF, he can go buy it for me if he wants... so immature, not everything is AF.... I'm not paying $4k for 24MP
Z6 and Z7ii autofocus was way behind the competition. But with cameras now days any competent photographer should still be able to get the shot. If it works for you just use it.
Nothing new here - Nikon is still behind with the AF. Even the R5 (not to say the R6 II) is better in focus acquisition, tracking accuracy and eye detect, than the Z8 and Z9.
Yes and so what? Thats the point, so what? I have about 250 000 exposures, work related with Z6 and Z6II and about 100% tack sharp. Same with Z8 and 9… tack sharp.. there are more to a camera than AF.
Dude, go away. You're in EVERY Nikon comments section bashing Nikon. Do you have friends? Did Nikon steal your bike? I mean, I just don't get it. What do you hope to accomplish? Seriously?
@@prokremelskidezolati1426 I took sharp photos with Hasselblad 501 the Nikon F5, then the 1DX Canon 5D, and so on… I honestly don’t understand all this bullshit from some youtubers about AF.. the new Nikon cameras now has better AF than ever and it is more capable than most photographers need.. What I do understand is that some people make a living out of TH-cam and they have to post something all the time to keep the income. JP is more TH-camr than photographer.. seems to me that his problem with Nikon is that Canon were willing to pay him more.. all major brands are now using TH-camrs in their campaigns when launching a new camera or lens. So yes, it is interesting to watch some youtube videos, but I never let what they think or feel influence me.. I have always liked Nikon, the AF is a hell of a lot more than I will ever need and it is amazing. There is more to a camera than AF.. Nikon gave us the first truly all round camera ever when they launched the Z9, it had both speed and resolution and then they launched the Z8 with the same speed and resolution of the Z9 in a smaller body… Maybe Canons AF is better, do I care? Over all, none of the Canon or sony cameras can compete with the Nikons, but thats my opinion :-)
The customisation are far more convenient and numerous options on the Z9. These podcaster are singing for their supper.... I've noticed similarities in their appraisal of the Lieca SL3. Which is a street and portrait camera. Not a fast elite action-sport wildlife photography /professional work. It's all %110 marketing. I have since Diss photography equipment podcasters. They all spout from the same script. That's after I had the Z8 for 2 soccer matches and a Mobile phone conference/launch. I litterally felt some Tech- digital steps back. Great size and weight though from the Z8, but for 4g,nah! I appreciate that though. It's a great alternative back-up +when tone down to a Press Conference nothing more. Oh the battery takes so long to fully charge.
Very good interview. Any wait to watch the other parts. Big ups to Jared for coming onto your channel. Very good advice on trying the other systems to gain a better perspective. Keep up the good work.
Ive been with Nikon since 1971 >> NO REGRETS and love my Z8
Ok DJ Vlad err I mean Ryan Troy. Good stuff!
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I think Fro just hates APSC. There should be alot of people interested in a D500 mirrorless. Considering how well Canon's R7 sold something in a similar price point and fast sensor and very high fps would be quite attractive. People who shoot wildlife do matter for Nikon especially considering that they do so much better in that genre and have the best ecosystem of lenses. The only space I see for a new Z7 would be if the MP increased or there were major improvements in bit depth, dynamic range and image quality - the Z7 is just in a really awkward position right now.
I must point out one thing that "No" Z9 and Z8 are not the same camera. One biggest issue pushed me to choose Z9 over Z8 which is Z9 has a build-in GPS but not Z8. I am an outdoor photographer and a build-in GPS dramatically helps me to record the location of every and each image. True, many people would say why don't you use apps on your phone to keep tracking location info. I used it with Sony A1. However, if you use map app on your phone to help your driving, you would have your phone set up in your car and not every single time remember to take it with you when you grab your camera and rush out of your car. A build-in GPS for an outdoor photographer is one of the best gifts.
I have also complained that why Nikon doesn't implement a build-in GPS onto Z8 because obviously that Z8 is a lighter, easier to carry and more suitable for outdoor photo shooting than Z9. Z9 is better for indoor usage because of its size and weight and yet Z9 has a build-in GPS but not Z8. This is so very unfortunate for an outdoor photographer.
I am also an Outdoor Photographer and GPS is not needed by me anyway here in Africa
Ryan nice discussion with Fro! Looking for the rest of it.
Man please I've found 10,000 reasons to use 45 mega pixels...
As a graphic designer more resolution the better when dealing with raster and not vector
I love where resolution is now 45mp is great. Going from 24mp to 45mp on the Z8 made me want to shoot Black and White again. Diffusion is the Beast Nikon will have to contend with if they stuff 80plus megapixels on a full frame sensor... The Zmount could handle a slightly larger sensor, but then you need Plena style lens for it.
@@williambuford6136 I'm hoping they venture into a high resolution FX or entry Medium format... Figures crossed.
I don't pay many of these TH-camrs much mind when I use the gear daily as a tool for client work... Good luck out there🤜🏾
Can't wait for the full talk!
Did y'all talk about the Z9H as well.... I'm debating on whether I should wait for a Global Shutter option within Nikon.....your thoughts
@@tabasco1914 if that comes in just don’t see it happening anytime soon but you never know though
lol If you watch or follow “The Fro” he’s always been against cropping an image, thank you for this video it proves he’s just full of it.
I’ve cropped heavy on the older Canon 5D mark 3 an gotten great results so I agree you don’t need a lot, however.. now that I’ve shot 45 mp on the R5 I can’t ever go back because I can get 3 different images essentially from 1 image all super sharp. You can’t however do that on a 24mp sensor without losing IQ.
You hit that noise floor fasting cropping 24mp.
Good video. One thing I don’t get is the hate for not EVF for cameras that are meant to be ultra portable and pocketable or entry level.
Look at you hanging out with JP! Looking forward to hearing the rest! 📸😎
@@JasonLorette it’s a great discussion too I can’t wait to post
Okay I see you brother 🔥
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I'm from the same town as Jared; it's fun to hear the Philly come out in him lol. Very rightfully opinionated but particularly ranty this day. Great points about at least knowing about the current capabilities of the Big 3 even if you're deep into one of them and not interested in starting over with a new brand. For years I could care less what Sony or Canon were up to as a Nikon shooter, but now I'm super intrigued. Every big release has some "wow" innovation further upping the ante, Sony a9 iii's global shutter, and what Jared demoed for the new Canon autofocus the other day - AF following the player with the ball, unbelievable. I thought being able to switch eyes with the Z8 (which I got from Allen's Camera locally btw) was a big deal. The level of competition is so high, you can't really go wrong with any brand's model in the same tier.
What I'm wondering is, might the innovations of each manufacturer lead to new industry standards? OR, at least in the short term, each company will have exclusive rights to the features they introduced to the market from patents. From example, might we see Nikon have a version of the "follow the ball" AF system soon, or not possible due to that being Canon's intellectual property? I like how each of the big 3's systems can "find the eye" on people. I don't know the history of that, but was it not patentable? Or it was and each company figured out a sightly different way to include it? For the consumer's sake I hope these new innovations become standards. I think there are plenty of reasons to go with one manufacturer or another even if the tech is comparable. Lens choices, system familiarity, aesthetics, brand loyalty, etc.
For the most part, I agree with Jared. I've been using the top brands for many years now and even though I know Canon and Sony has superior autofocus, I still do a lot of my work with Nikon and Fujifilm. Now I don't agree with Jared's opinion about a mirrorless D500. We all know that he does not believe in cropping in and shooting tight, so he doesn't see the benefits of the extra reach that a crop sensor gives. I shoot nature as well and I honestly appreciate the extra reach of a crop sensor. I don't shoot at zoos and safaris where animals are used to being close to ppl so that extra reach is necessary in the actual wild.
A good blind in the wild seems to help get those amazing bird and wildlife photos. 600mm seems short when shooting BIF at times. For some wildlife in a hot climate 600mm-800mm or longer your photos can suffer from atmospheric distortion effects. I love my D500. Funny thing using my Z6iii at a baseball game, I miss the controls of my D500 for changing release modes. Removing the special dials from Z camera just bloats the menus. The Z6iii Menus needs to have all the Shutter options in the Shooting menu, Like my Z8. The Z8 has more function buttons to assign things too, but I missed the Dials.
I have a Z9 and love the fact that they've put most of it into a smaller body. It gives me more options. Nikon should keep doing the best they can, not artificially limit some cameras to try and force their customers to spend more. In the long run Nikon shooters will be more loyal that way. I think a D500 equivalent in the Z mount would be great if they could keep the price down and make the AF excellent. If you could get the equivalent megapixels as a Z9 in DX mode, but for $2k like the original (cheaper than the Z6iii) and your wildlife lenses had 1.5x reach, so the 180-600 became a 270-900mm lens, that would be super popular. Hell, I'd even think about getting one instead of one of those PF lenses, switch bodies instead of lenses!
I have luved JP for many years ,, When he left Nikon , I was unhappy (but I understood why).... I stayed with Nikon (for My reasons) But it Hurt when he would Tell the Truth about Nikon :( !!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
What truth??? Autofocus.. you might as well buy a point and shoot camera if everything is autofocus and autoexposure
@@joshmcdzz6925 8 other people agree with Me ....
He doesn’t tell the «truth» about AF… who needs what he demands? Fact is, it will never be good enough for JP but for the rest of us, it is more than good enough.
Nice "get". Also a good convo about autofocus. I use Sony Lumix and Nikon and Nikon still feels behind Sony in autofocus. Lumix is still the worst. But I love them all, nonetheless.
Jared I love you man you tell it how it is we need more podcast like this and also jared I love Allen’s camera. Good job guys!
I have a Z6 and a Z6iii. Z6 is just slower but was at the time pretty competitive to the cameras that were built around the same generation processor. You don't compare different generation processors. New camera processors are released every 4 years. If you compare iPhone 15 vs iPhone 11, how much faster is the 15. So people comparing different Gen just don't have the understanding of the hardware.
The Sony and Canons released at the Time of the Z6 and especially the Z6ii mopped the floor with Nikon Autofocus, but those times are behind us now. I love my Z6iii and Z8! I still have my Z6ii, I did not need highspeed focusing at event photography
@williambuford6136 not really. Sony Bionz XR came out in 2020. Canon DigicX came out in 2020 as well. Nikons Expeed 7 was released in October 2021. So almost 2 years after Sony and Canon released their processors.
@@mlai2546 The 2020 Sony A9II came out in 2020 with better Autofocus than the Z6ii. One year later all the Improved Sonys are out. The Canon R5 an R6 wiped the floor with the Z6ii in terms of autofocus in 2020. Sadly Nikon only released a more affordable camera with Expeed 7 focusing in the ZF in 2023. Glad the Z6iii finally made it out in 2024.
@@mlai2546 I understand perfectly. People care about the final product not what generation processor a camera has. Nikon was behind and playing catch up from the very beginning with the Expeed 6. Dual Expeed 6 was not much faster at all. Dual pixel autofocus was developed by Canon before the Expeed 6 was developed. Nikon lost market share due to being behind for so long in the mirrorless cameras. I stuck with Nikon due to the Z glass. I still had my Nikon DSLRs too. Nikon has closed the focus gap somewhat. The Expeed 8 will need to ship before Nikon Completes their rollout of Expeed 7 to the DX cameras at the current rate of release. Nikon DX bodies look super stale right now compared to the Canon and Sony APS-c bodies.
@williambuford6136 Nikon should have waited until Expeed 7 was ready before releasing Z6ii and Z7ii. Nikon was way ahead of Canon with the Z6 vs RP.
As a photographer who has been shooting 40 years I piss myself laughing when people say you can't use X or Y to shoot certain types of work. Yeah some are better than others, but when you learnt to shoot sports and weddings on a film DSLR with 5 autofocus points just about anything you have been able to buy in the last 10 years is absolutely amazing and more than good enough.
My usual comeback is, 'you mean YOU can't shoot x on a certain camera.'
I far as I know, Jared has only recently become more involved in shooting Wildlife. Mostly he just goes to the Zoo to shoot Wildlife. So his recent safari trip to Africa did not all of sudden transform him into the Nature Photographer. So he would be literally the last big yTuber I would ask about advice on Cropped Sensor Cameras as opposed to FF cameras regardless of brand. The only FF camera that remotely gives users a Good cropped mode is the a7rV with it's 61MP, cropped mode being around 26MP. Most other FF cameras and we are talking way BELOW 20MP. The Door is wide open for the one the Major 3 BRANDS to do a proper STACKED cropped sensor camera. The Door is wide open for Nikon to do a 60MP plus Z7iii. Sony prices their a7rV at $3900. Sony also has a Ton of models and that does not seem to be hurting them. So Jared does not Run a Camera Company, so he is clueless of how THEY should be run.
What exactly do you mean when you say "way below 20MP", one megapixel? A ~45MP camera gives you 19MP in crop which is plenty of resolution to print an 11x14 image, which is also the sweet spot for a 24MP print. Printing 16 x 20 from either 19MP or 24MP is going to affect the quality and you'll most likely want to upscale both of those files.
@@mozzman Well a 24MP FF camera is somewhere around 10MP in cropped mode. What is the MP count in MOST FF cameras. Pretty sure the most commonly sold are around 24MP.
@@natureredux1957 You can't really just skip over all the 45-50Mp cameras and say the glacial a7rV is the only one capable of crop mode. When the D500 ($2000) debuted, most of Nikons lineup was still APS-C, so it made more sense to create a less expensive "fast action" body in the higher end of the lineup. The D800 ($3000) series was also only at 36MP, it wasn't until the D850 that they hit 45MP. In short there was a lot more justification in Nikons lineup for that camera than there is now IMO.
@@mozzman I really didn't skip over it. I just wanted to note what most FF cameras have as MP counts. Which by the way is 24MP. In short, there is still just as much justification NOW if not more so.
Fro isn't really a wildlife shooter and based on what I've seen the only wildlife he has really shot are large mammals so of course he wouldn't need a crop sensor or cropping for that - people who shoot smaller creature or can't get close do though. Sony has a much higher market cap and can afford to saturate and cannibalize their own sales. Nikon does not. I think what would be compelling is to have a crop sensor that has a fast sensor - they can either go for a lower end model priced similar to the Canon R7 or have a fully stacked $2,500 body that shoots way faster than 20 fps Raw. If it can't shoot way faster than the current full frame bodies and is priced similar to those then there is no point.
Crop sensor cameras are much lighter and the lenses are also lighter. It's perfect for vlogging. Why do you think Sony is releasing so many crop sensor cameras. Mr Polin. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's not useful. A Z30 with 10 bit and better AF is ABSOLUTELY a great next release!
Vlogging...get a DJI Pocket 3
To be honest , you look like an idiot carrying around a crop center camera vlogging....get a Dji pocket 3
The problem is Jarred. We can't just up and sell our can. We don't have the finances to do that. We pretty much have to pick one system and stay with it, so you are missing the point on that big time you need to drop the ego, dude, and here's 1 other bit of advice fee. Stop shooting everything at 1.2 ... With all due respect, my you're images looked very mushy every time you post them. You're not as good as what you think you are!
Nikon and Canon went with larger lens mounts so their APS-C cameras will always be on the larger size unfortunately.
When the APSC lens lineup is lacking,you have to use FF lenses. Making the size advantage of APSC disappear. Not to mention that FF cameras now are same size or smaller than DSLR APSC cameras,so there really isn’t a reason to go apsc
@@VantaBlackhole on APSC I have a Viltrox 20mm 2.8 and Nikon 12-28mm, these are perfect. If Nikon doesn't plan to release a new APSC content creator camera, I'm getting another Z30, it does the AF job "well enough" for vlogging.
Z30/50 are bad and I own one 😭 z6iii otw
Hey Ryan, looking forward to seeing the podcast in it's entirety, but here is my 2 cents worth. What is missing and no one ever ever talks about is the Z5, it's a great budget camera that can be used as a work horse without breaking the bank. I find cameras are way more expensive now than they were ago bit that goes for everything so leave that where it is. I must admit I'm not a Jarad fan but he knows what he's talking about, I remember getting into mirroless with the a7r2 back in the day and the system wasn't ready but everyone knew the day would come and then the a7iii came. I remember just a year ago shooting with the Nikon Z5 and Z6, trying to use EAF in the studio, I quickly went back to my single point because the system was ready but finally the Z9 came out allowing Nikon to play with the big boys. I think all the systems are at a level that it just comes down the preference, either it be Sony, Fuji Canon or Nikon. I am a Canon shooter and I love Canon but having a professional camera at a budget price you can't beat the Z5, Canon could have with the R8 but having no ibis and using that tiny battery really killed that though. The next thing they have to work on is the point and shoot department, now would be a good time to wage war with the cellphones but I'm not a big camera executive but I think that's where they should start looking. Sony r100 and ZV1are great little cameras but Nikon or Canon haven't entered that field, so we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.
I agree
Great clip. I like & respect Jared. But I also believe other photographers offer very valid opinions on the latest AF systems. And yes they shoot with all of the big 3. Many wildlife guys have given examples where Nikon has absolutely outperformed the competition, certainly with newer Z8/9 firmware updates. Lots of opinions out there that are based on field experience. We’re also splitting hairs now on the differences, it’s a level playing field with each brand having their own unique advantages.
In fairness, sure the R1 and R5II just leap-frogged other bodies. For now 🙂
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Hopefully this collab helps your sub count
I bought a Nikon z8 although I know canon has better af . But I stick to one brand and now finally it’s time for that great z8 You don’t have to buy the best all the time when you are happy with what you got
Yeah, reasonable, also Nikon is better in other ways. Nikon IBIS is best in class, the sensor image quality competes with GFX, and NIkon's lens lineup just seems to be going a better direction than Canon. If Nikon could figure out AF, they would be incredible.
Small error in title it says "Z500"
yes the z500 is a rumored camera that is suppose to be the mirrorless equivalent to the d500
@@RyanTroy Oh, okay!
Nikon should continue focusing on the glass. The hardware is great....now.
@@CraigEggleton I agree. I would like a new z30 though lol
@RyanTroy What would you change/hope gets upgraded? Would you want one with an evf, or just autofocus upgrades/Expeed7, etc?
except of the Z8/9, there is NO great HW
@@prokremelskidezolati1426 Zf, Z6III as well - all the Expeed7 bodies are fantastic. I still won't knock the Z6/7 mark II's. The 6II was certainly great for me. Keeper rate for fast action not as high as my Z8 and Zf but for sure it got the job done.
@@Pantheragem I dont want a EVF because i dont look at that camera as one to take photos.. i would love for it to be like a FX 30 which is sonys crop sensor "cinema" camera. I think there is a lane for this. I only used my z30 for video but not having 10 bit really sucked. i honestly had no problem with auto focus. but thats because when you are taking photos you want all of your photos to be on the eye... with video with it being 30 frames.. its not uncommon for the eye to be a tad soft at times. especially when you are dealing with motion blur.. so if it focuses on a eye lash it really doesnt matter.
I would love nikon's answer to the a6700, canon r7, and fuji film xs20. What if i dont need a full frame camera and want a 10 bit camera with N-log and ibis. I love nikon cameras they should offer that. I dont want to switch brands i currently have a nikon z30 and zfc , along with some great apsc lenses, i want an upgraded DX camera. Im not a professional i dont need full frame!
Nikon should release some good APS-c lens, but they need to have a Expeed 7 DX camera as well. Nikon should have a Apsc version of that ZFs sensor to refresh all the Current DX mirrorless. They should also produce A Z90/Z500 with a partial stacked APSC sensor.
Agreed Nikon should not give that market away. Nikon had Registered two more cameras. Maybe they will be releases this fall. I bet one will be a High Megapixel Z7iii. Maybe the other is a Z50ii/Z90?
@@williambuford6136 I don't think that a Z7iii is mission critical for Nikon right now. The way their cameras are currently priced it would be awkward. I think people would be more interested in a very high speed shooting apsc or A9iii esq camera. Nikon really hasn't focused alot of attention on the lower end gear so they should take some time to flesh that out. If you don't have compelling options in the low end how are you going to attract new photographers and eventually graduate them to your higher end Full frame lines.
What nikon needs right now is a d3600 equivalent to ease in the beginner/low budget shooters.
I think Jared's opinion on the d500 shows why people say he's not a real world professional, makes it hard to take him seriously.
That camera was incredibly popular and was extremely loved by every professional that had one in their bag, how can you say there's no need for a crop sensor in this day, when super expensive broadcast cameras are chosen for the utility and versatility that a crop sensor affords.
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He has an opinion on the D500 / APSC bodies that doesn’t align with yours, so that makes him unprofessional? I won’t touch another APSC body, does that make me “not real” too? Silly.
The dude’s work speaks for itself. Lol he’s out at just about every Phillies game testing the latest gear. And lately, some really old film gear.
I don't always agree with Jared, but he's right about this. It's such a niche market that it doesn't make a lot of sense to develop a "Pro" APS-C camera when you can get a full frame for the same price. I bet 99% of the people on the internet crying for a Z500 wouldn't buy one if it came out. Most of the justification is just to copy Canon's offerings yet they have no insight into Canons sales, I'm pretty sure Nikon does however.
@csc-photo it's not his opinion so much, it's the way he says the D500 is shit. I'm not sure he really means it but it implies you can't get great photos from it which is a bit hard on people who love the 500. I bought The D7500 partly due to Jarod who did a good review on it .
@@Flashback543 z5 is full frame though
Edit: due to the nature of their photography some people prefer a crop sensor and would rather not buy a pos in order to get that 1.5x magnification.
A Z F mk ii with z8 Sensor and uncropped 4k60 yet still with a shutter would sell like CRAZY …they could brand it as „Photo First“ and be a secret video weapon but with the glorious nostalgic style..
I’m down for this! I’d buy it in a heart beat!
He's very passionate.
@@Pantheragem very
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@RyanTroy Hope you're doing well Ryan. Even if I don't comment every time, I still keep up with most all of your uploads. 👍
They just need to update the Z50. Loved that camera.
I’m trying to only shoot FF however traveling the apsc lenses are a lot smaller
This video told me I really need to hold off on Nikon! LOL
U r missing out
This is a great clip, and I'm a Nikon (and former JPG, LOL) shooter. I'm active on DPR and most of that crowd doesn't get how much better Canon and Sony are. I switched to Sony for the past year, but I just don't enjoy using them. I literally can't put my finger on it, but I don't pick them up as often as I would a Nikon. Canon just doesn't have the mid-range fast lenses I prefer. I adapt a few e-mount lenses to my Z's.
Don't underestimate more pixels on a subject, and how nice the Z50 is with all of the controls on the right. The DX lenses are impressive for what they are. Even the 24-70F4S is awesome on a DX body. It needs to share a battery with the other Z's and have no soft/lcd buttons. The Z50 is the ONLY Z that flips the screen down more than 45 degrees and has a built-in flash. For most needs AF is adequate. The Z30 keeps up with the II's, which it shouldn't b able to. AF-C acquisition is great, but it drifts, and that is SOFTWARE not hardware.
Nikon needs to let us adjust subject tracking settings and dial down/off their closest subject bias. Also, let us prevent focus jumping to the background. The detected subject focusing feature is okay, but might need improvement. Nikon also further complicated the AF modes from the II's. I rarely can change between subjects and we have no face registeration/AI preference feature. It doesn't even have the cycle AF like the Z8 has.
I'd be all over a 26-30mp DX, IBIS (for bad technique, moving platforms, longer glass, dragging the shutter) partially stacked camera. It could be the size of a gen1 Z, but NO LARGER. So maybe not just a DX Z8. I'd even pay as much as the Z6III for it. I'd pair it with a used Z7II for landscapes and non critical AF work. I wouldn't have to switch lenses in the field as much.
I love Jaref!
The one area I'm always confident Jared doesn't know what he's talking about is always with wildlife photography. The thought process of "just crop 45mp FF it'll be better" is why there's so many water color, super low mp, and bad wildlife photos posted.
Nikon is light years behind. Facts are facts.
Were* they aren’t light years behind anymore
Yup, opinions are facts in our society now.
@@johnw.3636 watch PetaPixels review. In order to save the shadow highlights on the Z6iii you have to use an outdoor Flash. It is what it is. Facts over feelings my friend.
Lol current market consumption says otherwise
...need to add Zf to that tile.
Done
Well said. Loved to hear honest opinion 😊
I agree with the Fro on this. Him calling out Nikon for being a bit below Sony and Canon autofocus systems is correct and right. I also shoot with a Sony A7 IV and the eye auto focus still catches the eye a bit faster and more for sure than my Nikon ZF with the most updated firmware. However, the ZF autofocus system is very good. If you only shoot with Nikon and don’t compare with other brands, you will be happy with the Nikon ZF. I am still very happy with the Nikon ZF’s autofocus system. In Autofocus continuous it is crazy sticky.
Blimey I think we've moved on from Z6 Z7 af story. A d500 mirrorless at say 25- 30mp for me would be perfect option with some budget or third party long lenses. To keep light and not too expensive. Its not realistic I know 😊
A light DX tele F4 lens for a Z90/Z500 would make a great wild life kit. Maybe it could make some Olympus owners jealous.
There is no perfect camera, thats why we have a wide range of equipment to choose from.
Love my nikon
He’s right. You should try every camera out there to keep your audience informed. My fujifilm channel is lit up because I keep telling them how shitty their af is in 2024. There are a few naysayers that think I’m spinning lies but the rest appreciate the truth.
Is modern day photography all about autofocus? Those of us who shoot in the studio, do we need the top of the line autofocus? What about medium and large format film shooters.. are they still photographyers because they don't autofocus?
to be completely honest. I shoot in mostly in studio. and if i didnt have a modeling light on in the studio with my Z7ii it didnt always nail focus. auto focus on Nikon DSLRs was better. it was accurate.. but where we currently are with nikon.. it is great now. in my humble opinion
a Z500 is a lot of money to invest for nikon cause there are little to no APSC Z lenses atm. it wouldn't be profitable for the time being. also nikon said they will focus on higher tier cameras going forward
good luck with that - almost no new customers!
And that is something that needs to be addressed... some fast glass for apsc will help alot.
I could see a Z7 III come out if the collective voice is loud and persistent enough. There is a gap between $2500 & $4000: $3200. If Nikon thinks a Z7 III will sell then they'll probably make it. The D500 was the result of years worth of "where's the D400?" "The D7000 series not pro enough, and the D700 series - not everyone was immediately ready to readjust to FF after 5 years of APS-C-only, their 70-200s now seeming a lot wider. Maybe some prefer getting their compositions as close to right as shot, rather than spend time in post cropping photos.
One thing I saw in the D500 and D7500 that I don't see in the Z APS-C offerings is the additional 1.3x crop option on top of DX. I could program a button to switch from DX (24 x 16) to 1.3x (18 x 12) so walking around with a prime I had two focal length options with the same aspect ratio. I can totally see how many people would say this "feature" is stupid, but I like to compose in camera, and the less time I spend on a computer later the better. I do like how the Z50 has the 1:1 square option, for instagram or other square composition reasons. And 16:9 for a cinematic look. Sometimes it's nice to commit to an aspect ratio when shooting for composition reasons or just a challenge. I like how much versatility the largest possible RAW file gives, but also the challenge of getting it right as shot. Like in the film days, only so many shots to get it right, otherwise wasting a lot of $ on film.
I don't see Nikon releasing a pro APS-C mirrorless camera. But with the Z DX 24mm f/1.7 and the only "power zoom" being the DX 12-28, I can see an advanced enthusiast or whatever coming out at some point. even if it's just the Z 50 II with more tech like body image stabilization, would be nice.
I hope Nikon do make a Z7 III with the same high res EVF as the Z6 III. I shoot mainly landscapes using manual focus primes so an improved EVF should make it easier to focus.
To be honest I am looking at what Nikon will do with the Nikon Z5 Mark 2
I’m sorry I’m not paying 4 grand for 24 megapixels
Bingo! He can try all he wants, I'm not switching to Canon or Sony because he is not happy, I'm happy with Nikon.
He wants to make people think the same way he thinks, if Roy liked the Z30 why is he trying to convince him to say it sucked...? not good.
@@felm.974 nikon doesn’t pay him or kiss his ass
Yep, that's why lol @@Flashback543
@@felm.974 I like the Z30 also it’s my walk around camera Nikon could put out the 100 megapixel camera with psychic auto focus and he would have something to say about it.
The issue is camera prices for full frame have always been expensive, and even more so now. Yes, I could buy a Z8 / Z9 and crop in for wildlife photography, but that still means buying a $3500 - $5500 camera body, when all I really want / need as a hobbyist is a D7x00/D500 mirrorless equivalent to use with my 180-600. I have a Z50, and I’d rather shoot wildlife with my D7500 because it has better handling for larger lenses. I also paid $999 for the D7500. I’d love a half stacked APS-C 24 MP Z80 for $1500. Photography is quickly turning into a rich man’s hobby, and I think that’s sad.
That price point for a fast DX would be great for a hobbyist. Nikon makes some strong Z glass they could make a killer kit with long/light DX glass.
Good ole Jared, always with the hot takes. ;)
I completely disagree on 24mp tho. I shot for years on D800@36mp and when it came time to replace it I went with D750 because I was also convinced that 24 should be enough. For a lot of reasons I HATED that camera and 24mp was one of them, its just not enough pixels to work with. Sure we used to shoot at 12 or 4 or whatever, but that was because we had no choice. Now that I have the choice I will never touch 24mp again. Maybe if all you ever shoot for is social media, 24 is fine but when you need latitude for varying crops for a client while also being prepared for high resolution print 24mp just doesn't cut it. ~4500px wide is only 15" when printed at 300dpi. (And yes, I get that tools like Topaz Giga exist, but in my testing even the best AI upscale tools still don't beat just having more pixels to begin with)
As for AF, completely agree on that, like TBH even Z8/Z9/Z6II autofocus isn't amazing, its just finally at a place where it isn't pitiful but those cameras still get confused way more than the competition.
I want a higher megapixel, high dr, I do landscape and portrait, polin is just about
speed so he doesn't care about mp.
Yes Nikon could charge more for a High MP Z7iii than they do the Z8 depending on the features. What if Nikon releases Z7iii with 45-60MP and more DR(15-17stops) than any Nikon mirrorless to date? I think they would have a winner, especially if it had some diffraction compensation.
Ask yourself this, why are so many influencers now adopting Wildlife as part of their Ytuber Venue. Where as before, many of them literally spit on Wildlife shooters. Sony has the new a6700, which by the way Sony STATES is not their Flagship cropped camera and Canon has their R7 which might soon be replaced with a Stacked Sensor R7ii. Even a partially stacked Z500 would put Nikon in a Great Position.
the problem is by you saying we dont need a high megapixel camera it stops progress progress is needed and so is inovation nikon need to add a medium format camera to there line up and there are people like me who want and need higher mega pixel cameras
Nikon needs to take their EXPEED7 and continue to move down the stack. Bring out a $1500 Z5II and a $1000 Z50II with the Z9's Autofocus, and lure new photographers into the Nikon system.
I’m sorry Ryan but in this interview, you sound like you know nothing about cameras and seem to get stumped by many things that Jared is talking about! Like it’s way over your head. The D500 ????
“The Z30 is beautiful -I had it but I sold it”……duh ?
I disagree. I’m a Nikon shooter wanting a higher end APS-C camera. Jared’s thoughts are his opinions and he’s speaking from what he likes. In essence he wants Nikon’s lineup to reflect what he likes. Wanting a Z 7 III or a d500 replacement is not a bad thing, I feel many in the community want that as well. Also, the great thing about options is the mere fact it’s an option. What may not be for one person, may be a dream for another photog.
When Jared was trashing APS-C, you should have reminded him of his glowing review of the D500: th-cam.com/video/Zm007Dml4lc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zU2d4vbQRaXqkUVo
Being honest works eventually. Even fanboys will eventually understand.
So Jared, what would you make next if you were Nikon?
I know he's very accomplished and has built a huge following but my god is this dude arrogant. He can't possibly imagine someone using a camera who isn't a working professional with decades of experience and unlimited budget. We don't need crop sensor cameras? I guess Fuji should cut out the X100, XH, XT, and XS lines. Sony should kill the A6000 and FX30 lines too. And regarding the Z7iii, I assume he believes the Sony A7RV is redundant and shouldn't exist? After all, the A7IV is 33mp and the A1 is 50...
Yes, his stance against crop sensor camera does not account price of the camera, buying power of the consumer and what the consumer shoot.
Price of the camera is a very small advantage, if any, for APS-C. Z50 is $850. Z5 is usually $1000. $150 buys you an FX sensor, a better EVF, better durability, and IBIS.
Nikon Z90 pro APS-C
Polin makes it sound as if the z8 was the first Nikon to achieve auto focus. It is not a requirement to re-evaluate your camera system every year to make sure you have the highest level auto focus machine. Both F mount and Z mount Nikons have have been used in sports and wildlife photography for years. Just get a camera and make use of it.
"Both F mount and Z mount Nikons have have been used in sports and wildlife photography for years."
Oh, really? Which Z's EXACTLY did you see the pros with? Z5, Z6/6 II, 7/7 II or Z50? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One day, I think Jared is going to look like Cousin It. Cheers
Chill
D500 -> Z50 Mark II L-O-L!
true.
That's the old arrogant Jarred coming out of the closet. But at least this time he's right about Nikons focusing. In the past he argued with me that mirrorless wasn't the future. Saying a mirrorless camera will never be as good as a DSLR.
I send my Z6III back because it has worse dynamic range and more noise (green!!!) than my old Z6, the EVF uses 5,7Mpx only in still mode!!! and I got ugly flickering at the blacks (green/violett) at video!!!
You told us the Z6 was not good!??? but it was a way rounder package in 2018 than the Z6III in 2024! AF is not everything! And AF-C with eyes and Tracking on Fn1 it's working quite ok for such an old camera.
I now have to go with the Z8 because this new sensor experiment from Nikon does not work for me. ...IAM very sad about this!
I will say when I was using the z6 I thought it worked well... then I get the z8 used that more frequently, went back to use he z6 and I was frustrated lol. I still think that the z6 was an amazing camera though.
The files the Z6\Z6ii produced were beautiful!!!
one thing nikon has always got right was picture quality. even with this z8 that i have now... as far as picture quality its not much different than my z7ii . it just became more easier to use. better hit rate better focusing at night better video specs. ect.
dude why you hate nikon
@@mannlk me? Lol I love Nikon. Never changed and don’t plan on it
You know different cameras but not what you can do only with new AI algorithms... you can make the Z8 AF still way better with the exact same hardware! You could make even the Z6 and Z6II better but after a few years Nikon stops the support.
Jared's a potty mouth.
You my guy Ryan but Jared’s work don’t match his big mouth. He’s part of the problem in the photography community worried about specs over art
Maybe. But they don’t talk about art. They talk about cameras.
You clearly don’t FroKnows. Man always goes out on the field to test equipment out. He has even said that specs aren’t everything.
It's Nikon not Naikon
give Naikon USA a call--that's how they pronounce it
Oh man not this BS again
Nikon lost me at the Z6. I patiently waited for that offering to come out. After having had used the A7III and me having eye witnessed what was what. I went to a popular NYC camera store and traded everything except for my D700 and my 85mm 1.8G . Nikon got too greedy and continued to squeeze people for their great but on the way out legacy line.
@@StandardTH-camrExcellent i wouldn’t say Nikon got greedy I would just say they came to the party late.. but they here now 🙂
I mostly agree with Jared. And I’m mostly a Nikon user. Nikon is doing same nonsense things. :)
Jared never answered your question, of what he thinks should come next
I am currently using Z6II, Z8 and Z9 every single day for work.. I have never had a problem with af on any of those cameras.. problem is that youtubers get their income from youtube and the more views, the more money.. all this AF talk is BS..
People get facts and opinion really confused
Yup
Nah, he is still wrong, the AF worked fine on the Z6II and Z7II until the subject moved fast or when shooting in low light, why doesn't he say that?... He just FOCUSES on everything bad, plus cursing is super unprofessional too.
I'm not gonna switch gears because Jared Polin doesnt like a camera's AF, he can go buy it for me if he wants... so immature, not everything is AF.... I'm not paying $4k for 24MP
Z6 and Z7ii autofocus was way behind the competition. But with cameras now days any competent photographer should still be able to get the shot. If it works for you just use it.
of course, the crappy fro!!! the sport is a static thing loooooool
@@felm.974 nope, the colors are very important on the OOF image lol
I understand Jared he compares cameras in the same price range. Why buy a camera which has worse AF for the same price as one who has better AF.
Fro deffenitely knows his stuff and I like the guy but man he can sound arrogant sometimes lol
Angry 😂
I am with Jared in the whole crop sensor take…just WHY?! Even MORE confusing is why does micro 4/3 exist??? 😅 HUH!?
Nothing new here - Nikon is still behind with the AF. Even the R5 (not to say the R6 II) is better in focus acquisition, tracking accuracy and eye detect, than the Z8 and Z9.
Yes and so what?
Thats the point, so what? I have about 250 000 exposures, work related with Z6 and Z6II and about 100% tack sharp. Same with Z8 and 9… tack sharp.. there are more to a camera than AF.
Dude, go away. You're in EVERY Nikon comments section bashing Nikon. Do you have friends? Did Nikon steal your bike? I mean, I just don't get it. What do you hope to accomplish? Seriously?
@@prokremelskidezolati1426 I took sharp photos with Hasselblad 501 the Nikon F5, then the 1DX Canon 5D, and so on… I honestly don’t understand all this bullshit from some youtubers about AF.. the new Nikon cameras now has better AF than ever and it is more capable than most photographers need.. What I do understand is that some people make a living out of TH-cam and they have to post something all the time to keep the income. JP is more TH-camr than photographer.. seems to me that his problem with Nikon is that Canon were willing to pay him more.. all major brands are now using TH-camrs in their campaigns when launching a new camera or lens. So yes, it is interesting to watch some youtube videos, but I never let what they think or feel influence me.. I have always liked Nikon, the AF is a hell of a lot more than I will ever need and it is amazing. There is more to a camera than AF.. Nikon gave us the first truly all round camera ever when they launched the Z9, it had both speed and resolution and then they launched the Z8 with the same speed and resolution of the Z9 in a smaller body… Maybe Canons AF is better, do I care? Over all, none of the Canon or sony cameras can compete with the Nikons, but thats my opinion :-)
He’s probably an early R5 owner who can’t afford to switch or upgrade to anything new or better 😂 still overheating like your camera?
The customisation are far more convenient and numerous options on the Z9.
These podcaster are singing for their supper.... I've noticed similarities in their appraisal of the Lieca SL3. Which is a street and portrait camera. Not a fast elite action-sport wildlife photography /professional work. It's all %110 marketing. I have since Diss photography equipment podcasters. They all spout from the same script. That's after I had the Z8 for 2 soccer matches and a Mobile phone conference/launch. I litterally felt some Tech- digital steps back. Great size and weight though from the Z8, but for 4g,nah! I appreciate that though. It's a great alternative back-up +when tone down to a Press Conference nothing more. Oh the battery takes so long to fully charge.