The funniest detail about this movie is that Charlie Sheen said in an interview that he was banging 7 gram rocks during production. So all the weird motion capture bits were actually him coked up lol.
I actually checked the Lost Media Wiki page, and apparently they made an update regarding the lost version, and I quote: “The early version of the film seemed to be a lot different from the original and was slated for a Christmas 2003 release. However, the original files were deleted by the film's creator, and production was stuck in development hell for a decade.” That basically means that we may never see this passable original version again unless a miracle happens, but I highly doubt that.
I actually remember finding out about this movie when I was in a broadcasting class in college back in 2010. We were doing a project where we had to pitch a variety show, and I wanted to pitch one centered around Wayne Brady. I looked up his filmography, saw Foodfight, got curious, read a little bit, then went back to writing my pitch. Imagine my surprise when it actually popped up and became an Internet phenomenon a few years later.
It becomes phenomenal on the Internet as the "worst animated movie of all time". Nowadays, it becomes a holy grail to lost media enthusiasts since the 2002 Showreel was released recently and got a small cult following.
This movie should have a REMAKE, I honestly respect Lawrence kasanoffs idea for foodfight. I think this movie has a lot of Potential for a really interesting, unique, funny and original movie! Plus you know what would make this movie to be the most complex looking animated movie? Is that they would make each mascot have different animation style and art style where some would have a painterly look to them seen in some real life supermarket mascots, some will be stop-motion animated like the California raisins, some will even be hand-drawn animated! Such as toucan Sam from froot-loops. Oh this can be a really good way of appreciating animation in general!
I really liked the video, seeing someone talk more about the production of this movie is pretty rare, and it's really interesting because I personally think the first version of the movie that is lost looked really cool, using an style of animation that combines really well with 3d in my opinion.
Lets me real, the hard drives weren't " Stolen " because of industrial subotage... It was probably an employee that tried to kill off what was going to be a massive trainwreck and tried to save his comrades reputation
@@cocoa18_ To be honest, you have to have serious nerve to try and restart a movie from scratch after losing everything about it. I respect the filmmakers in that aspect - at least they tried to get their vision out there.
I truly believe the movie was never stolen. I think it was fabricated either because the original footage was lost by accident, or it was purposely scrapped so they could start from scratch.
To this day, I'm convinced "Food Fight" was basically "The Producers" playing out IRL. Only with Lawrence Kasanoff absconding with most of the $45-65 million, and making enough of a film to justify the money he received. How else can you explain the animation being this inexcusably bad, for budget it had?
9:03 Are you fucking kidding me, did they seriously think that nightmarish picture on the top left would get people intrigued about the animation of a movie about grocery product mascots!?
I was just thinking about a possible lost deleted scene from Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix when I saw your comment. A video on this would be pretty interesting.
If you haven't watched the Rotten Documentary yet, you all should. the whole "Hard Drives Being Stolen" scenario has been debunked now. The movie being deleted was an intentional lie to push investors in giving Larry and his team extended time to not miss deadlines.
As well as an excuse to completely shift from standard computer animation to motion capture, and not because they lost the original animation but because dude was constantly changing his mind about what he wanted (which you can't really do with frame-by-frame animation without having to redo everything from scratch)
Here's my ideas on how to make "Foodfight!" a DECENT movie, The Story: It's a hilarious, suspenseful, drama story about Dex Dogtective. Dex solves cases and stop the baddies for The USDA (United Supermarket Defense Accusation) when Marketropolis market closes down at night. One night, his girlfriend bride-to-be Sunshine Goodness mysteriously disappears while trying to help Daredevil Dan. Six months later... Dex gives up his detective business not knowing what will happen next for the supermarket. Then, Brand X comes to the store to kidnap all the icons and kill them one by one to be the most supreme icons of the WORLD!!! Now, It's up to Dex, his best friend Dan and all the world's most beloved brands to take down Brand X to save the supermarket and all icons everywhere! The Animation: The movie will combine 2D animation for the icons when the supermarket becomes the bustling city of Marketropolis and it will combine Live-Action for the market when it's not closed down during the day time and for the humans. Just like Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Space Jam. The backgrounds will look detailed with a lot of features so the backgrounds don't look unfinished or blurry. The Characters: This movie has a whole bunch of characters that can be unforgettable or you love. Dex Dogtective is a keen, sharp and calm detective that saves the supermarket from any danger and helps his friends incase if they are in trouble. When Sunshine disappear, He forms into a retired cold detective who onws a nightclub called The Copabanana. But, Brand X appears to kill all his friends, Dex learns to believe in himself and to become his old self again to help his friends and to find who take his Sunshine away from his heart that his broken. Sunshine Goodness is a bubbly, eager, and compassionate cat who onws a cereal brand like Dex. But when she disappears, Dex must stop Brand X to find his love again. Daredevil Dan is a easygoing, well-meaning but wacky chocolate squirrel who is Dex's sidekick and the movie's comic relief. He invents all kinds of contraptions and inventions to help his icon friends. He rides a biplane and has a crush on Sweetcakes which is his girlfriend that he feels happy when he is around her. Lady X is the main bad boss of Brand X and the movie's antagonist. She is a flamboyant, ordely and evil icon that wants to exterminate all icons to be the greatest and most powerful icon in the world. Her army tries to lure icons to trick them to go on her army, but the undesirables will be killed and sent to the expiration station. Dr. Si Nustrix is a scientist and doctor who whipp up antidotes, medicine, and cures to help all icons in need. He is also not a Jewish stereotype. Cheasel T. Weasel is a sleazy con-artist that have a item that a icon need but it's for a price. He also tells all the information the icons need. He dosen't look like he came from the sewer and also dosen't look like poop to freak you out. He will look cheesy with a yellow texture. There's a running gag with the lovable Polar Penguin where he tries to find a cold place because he is a penguin. The Brand X army are NOT Nazis but they are military soldiers that do their bidding. The characters are NOT racist stereotypes or speak like racist stereotypes. There are NO sexual innuendos so kids and adults can be comfortable with this movie. Continuity/Plot Holes: Icons can go to the real world if they find a secret opening of their product whuch transport them into the real world. Humans can never go into the supermarket world but Lady X make a robot replica of her creator Mr. Clipboard to trick the icons. In the scene with Dex, Dan and the lunch lady, they didn't get caught by the humans because the humans think they are toys or bugs. The soda bottle Dex flyes on was flying because it was attached to a string like in the original trailer. Sunshine didn't get recalled because Brand X motive was to kidnap Sunshine and to make a label that says recalled but it actually says kidnapped to lure Dex so they can kill both of them so they can recall them. If a icon gets killed by Brand X, they disappear from the store till they get restocked again with they get revived. A icon like Lady X changed her form because her creator intend a Brand X icon instead of a prune icon so they made the prune design but changed the icon to Lady X. In the scene with Dex and Dan in the dryer, the Brand X building secretly has a giant dryer that has a hologram and fire they put in there. The movie will have talented people who know what they do to make a good film. LAWRENCE KASANOFF is not invited for turning Foodfight! Into one of the worst animated films ever made. Do you think these are good ideas to make "Foodfight!" A decent film for the world. Feel free to leave your thoughts. :)
Actually maybe instead of Marketropolis and replace it with "Carson's Market" it's way better than "Marketropolis Market", it just holds a memorable name.
I feel really bad for him :( the stretch animation looked way better haha. I actually hope the original copy gets found.The production quality of your videos is amazing!!!
I'm glad they stole it. Whoever did it was a real chad for fucking over this "creative vision". It literally would have been the same as the Emoji Movie. A pretty looking hour(s) long commercial with no soul.
Here is something I doubt ANYONE can find: a short animated film shown on cable T.V. in the early 1980's. It was about a small child who is afraid of the dark and his mother tells him theres nothing to fear but when its bedtime and the lights are shut out, a weird slime creature menaces him through the window. It then melts and becomes ropes that restrain the child to the bed. The ceiling lamp becomes an eye that then becomes a swinging pendulum. Eventually daylight comes and the boy rises from bed, relieved. He then opens his bedroom door and falls into oblivion. The memory of this cartoon has haunted me my whole life...
@@kamenanew9867 please do. It has haunted me all my life. I know I didnt imagine it. When I was a child I made play doh scupltures of the monsters in the cartoon. It had such a big impact on me. It was very disturbing and had such a bleak message yet the cartoon was so beautifully done. I've never stopped thinking about it. I can find no trace of it.
i remember seeing this movie when i was 7. my sister and i saw it in a local comic book store we used to love going to, and we were excited to see it, so we bought it and took it home. i watched it once and then..... never again. you know your movie is shit when even a 7 year old hates it.
Listening to this, I got intense deja vu on a video about dorthy of Oz. That WAS a money laundering scheme. It makes me think that the situation might have been similar.
I believe that the most possible theory on why "Food Fight!" became a lost animation because of the theft that took place during production. I believe that thief may be behind the production of "Sausage Party". I believe that movie was taken from the lost movie that was in production.
@@uwu1234-i6j No that's "Sausage Party". Anyway, the real reason that the original production was missing because it was stolen by the creators of "Sausage Party" and made the production for it.
I feel like this story shares a little bit with a clear production flop I'd followed before, where details about the production had been dug up by internet sleuths. The other story was for Spyro: Enter The Dragonfly, a game that is infamous for many reasons. However, given all the detail we've found out about the production, it's no wonder how we ended up with what we got. If you don't know the full story on the game, I'd try to find the TH-cam documentary on it. It's quite interesting. If only we had that level of detail on this project... I mean, we have the "The movie was stolen" official explanation, but at the same time, I'm not sure that I buy that.
If I'm being honest, the story is very saddening. Given how ambitious the visualization for it was and the use of squash in stretch in a time 3D animation was still somewhat dead set on trying to look realistic, this felt like it would have been another "Disney aren't the only ones who can do things" piece in history and would have gladly rooted for these guys. But hey, if someone managed to get a an original December built of Dinosaur planet and released into the world, maybe a releases of the original food fight is possible
No doubt. The movie wasn't stolen. I theorize they didn't even HAVE finished animation outside of the trailer/proof of concept, and needed some excuse to get to a cheaper studio to do all the heavy lifting. They knew they had a stinker on their hands, they knew there was no way this was going to be in the same universe as successful, they were just trying to stall for time until the money was gone and they'd make their money back in whoever was going to wind up buying what they had cheap. I only feel terrible for the wasted cast. Christopher freaking Lloyd, Larry Miller, Wayne Brady... everyone was wasted on a terrible script. And seriously. Christopher "Doc Brown, The Hacker, Judge Doom, Reverend Jim" Lloyd! he can make just about ANYTHING awesome. Just not this piece of crap.
We have some animation of the old version not from the trailer, so it absolutely did exist. If they just wanted to finish the movie with cheaper animation, then why did it release so many years after the original trailer?
@@genyakozlov1316 they didn't, the studio was bankrupt and the company repossessing it took it and sent the half done re-make out to the cheapest company they could find. The repossession company then released it to try to make back some of their losses
I've discovered two interesting rabbit holes worthy of investigation lately: One being a BBC prison docu-drama based vaguely on the Stanford Prison Experiment. It was filmed in 2003, though was apparently poorly made. I can't find any full episodes online. The second is a made-for-tv DnD moral panic film aired in 1992 called "Honor Thy Mother", which I can only find clips and summaries of online, not the whole film. Maybe you'd have better luck than me in tracking these down.
I really suspect that the theft was a publicity stunt. This movie sounds like a train wreck, and the company was probably trying to either get out or to pump the hype machine even more (not sure which). This isn't a Rapsittie Street Kids situation, where the movie feels like it was the result of a guilty plea deal. While I doubt this would have been as big as the creator was making it out to be, there really isn't a reason why it shouldn't have been at least fairly successful. Either something went wrong, or the whole thing was a stunt.
I still sometimes wish that the Emoji Movie's hard drives were stolen and the movie was cancelled, it was the first thought I had the moment I saw the Emoji Movie's trailer and I remembered this movie.
I wish there's more lost comics stuff, especially older and weirder comics like the possible lost strips of vera ray and Olga Mesmer, or the lost first webcomic witches in stitches (or was it witches and stitches) not to mention the cavalcade of lost Gmod comics and other webcomics, And that's not even going into the lost comics from overseas especially from wartime
did anyone else have the book for this??? it was like a picture book and with buttons on the side and when you hit them the buttons would make sounds that matched the characters on the buttons.
I feel like it was insurance scam and the theft was an inside job. What motivation would someone have to go through the effort and risk of stealing the movie from an insignificant studio? Even if Disney/Dreamworks were unethical enough to try to sabatoge other studios they wouldn’t bother with this small studio that is barely a threat to them
Is it really such a huge loss though? How good could the original version have possibly been? Better animated, sure, and potentially not as big of a flop. Other than that....it can stay lost for all I care.
For me, there’s countless videos I’d watch on this site that have become lost overtime. But here are a couple examples of TH-cam lost media I could think about. Which the first one is a British TH-camr named Trap Lore Ross. Back sometime in early April 2018, he’d made a video titled “Is Ready Player One garbage” under his other channel Ross Hacks which I now believe. The video was of himself in his room explaining of why this movie was really terrible and ended it with saying “VR has a long way to go.” And when the video was uploaded it would’ve been about a week so a little after the movie had came out. I’d watched the video after I saw the movie in the theater and was already in Junior year of high school by that point. But the video was taken down in either July or August of 2018. Then his channel and Twitter account was deleted in early 2019 likely in late January after checking it out before New Years Eve since there was more videos he uploaded, in early February I decided to go back and check on his channel until noticing that it disappeared. Though, there were more videos on his channel like a video on how Call Me by Your Name is overrated, some sort of Spider-Man video and a Netflix comedic routine skit where I thought it would be last one until a few months later and already in Senior year as he’d uploaded a new video but one time to his channel to check that was suddenly gone quickly. web.archive.org/web/20190104024155/th-cam.com/channels/nH8al10BzxCg-N-69Syqjg.html Another, was an image slideshow tribute video from either April or May of 2008 titled Lost Liners or Lost Ships. This one is a little bit more harder to know because I was then 7 when I’d already discovered TH-cam sometime in late January and it was uploaded by channel which I don’t even know the name of but likely no longer exists now. The video showed pictures of many ocean liners that were lost at sea notably pictures of the Titanic, Lusitania, Andrea Doria and Normandie. And I would watch this back in 2008-2012 until the video was taken down It sometime in either 2013 or 2014 and had very beautiful music from a movie that I happen to catch my dad watching on either Encore or Starz (before it become Starz Encore) around March 2012 which was about a few years later at 11. The thumbnail for the video was a painting done by Ken Marschall of the Titanic with it’s stern rising higher as its sinking while people on Lifeboat No.2 watch but in low res. titanicofficers.com/images/Marschall_Boxhall.jpg
A lost media topic that I haven't heard very many people talk about is the original airings of the first couple seasons of The Simpsons. The showrunners, or whoever was in charge would continue working on the episodes after they originally aired and would add or remove scenes sometimes. I know this firsthand because I grew up with VHS recordings of the episodes from when they first aired. Unfortunately I lost the cassettes for the first two seasons. It's been so long that I would really have to Rack my brain to remember any of the changes but one that I definitely remember is that in the episode "Bart's dog gets an F" the scene where Martin Prince asks how he can tell if he's using the choke collar correctly and the lady says that "the dogs eyes cross" wasn't in the first version of the episode. It cuts right from her yanking on the collar and Santa's L helper falling on the ground, to Bart asking if his dog is dead I still have the cassette for season 3 so I could potentially go through it and look for changes, but I don't particularly like those episodes and don't know them as well, ans that would take like 20 hours to watch two versions of every episode and God that sounds like a pain in the ass XD
If anyone wants further proof from a more reputable source that the Simpsons was changed between broadcasts they actually discuss it on the season 1 commentary for The Tell-Tale head during the ending credits.
@@RagingRedPandaand it's even worse, the "original version" never even existed it was all just promotional/concept animation created to wow investors, and then they created the whole theft story as an excuse for why it was taking so long + why they were switching to motion capture
I wonder if the original copy of Foodfight is sitting in some storage locker Around the world Or was destroyed I hope it’s sitting waiting to be found one day in somebody’s grandfather’s basement or storage locker I hope there’s a day that we find a storage locker filled with merchandise from this movie
Great video. This is probably the only video with the complete history! I thought the trailer before the movie was stolen had amazing animation. Too bad this was the movie we got instead.
The original treatment for the movie that I read in 1998 was fantastic - but very little of the material made it into the final product. I, too, believe that the drives weren't stolen. Threshold just massively overestimated their capabilities.
In case what you're saying is real and not a hoax, what did this said treatment had of different from the version that was finally made? And how did you managed to see and know about it?
@@PedroAlves-qj8fb Well, I was working for a major network in Germany and Threshold was looking for some financing. I visited their Santa Monica studios a couple of time (they were shooting the MORTAL KOMBAT TV series at the time - I have the pics to prove it). Among the several scrips that I read and evaluated for co production were FOODFIGHT and BOGEYS, both written by Brent Friedman and Rebecca Swanson. To give you an idea how different the original vision was, here is a line from my reader's report: "In a big supermarket, the food comes to life at night: all the brand name characters party through the aisles: Tony the tiger, Dr. Scholl, the Chiquita banana lady, etc.". It had all the characters that they wanted to license (for product placement), and they used them in hilarious ways. Friedman & Swanson were a great writing team (and yes, I also met with Brent a few times). I have a lot of scripts on my hard drive, but this goes back to 1998, the good old age of printed scripts. I fear it's lost.
@@torstend Was that really so? Interesting to hear there was actually a point to the real life brand mascots on the movie. Think this point got kind of lost when the production started to introduce its own characters. You think you can tell me some more precise details of what you remember about this version? Sounds really interesting, specially because I've never heard anything about this one before, only about the closer to the final version (the one planned to 2003 ).
I wonder if the original version is still out there or if it even exists. I mean how could a movie like this that was supposedly finished still be lost. Especially with how popular the crappy remade version has become. It just doesn't make sense.
What if this film was actually like Who Framed Roger Rabbit and was a 2D animated feature? or hired professional writers and producers? actually, what if this film has pitched to an actual professional animation company?
You know what they can do with remake it with different name of course And different characters and story but with the ideas I think it time to stop making good things better and make bad things with good ideas and make them better
The theft of the hard drives very well could have been Pixar. They weren’t doing so well with the Disney contract at the time and Food Fight was basically stealing a major concept of Toy Story. With all the buzz the film was getting and all of its brand deals, perhaps a lone wolf at Pixar decided enough was enough
Since you did a Sonic Lost Media, maybe you should do a Mario Lost Media one to connect to that one, just a suggestion lol, but I’m interested to see if Mario has any lost media
I don't think Ksssenoff would actually steal the hard drives himself. I think the changes he made were just because the film was stolen, and he had to change the direction of the film. I think it was more likely that one of the animators might've done it.
I can't be the only one that thinks this movie's idea must be recycled, I would pay to see stuff like the Chiquita mascot lady making subtle imperialism jokes, hinting at company's history. You could make countless jokes like this throughout the movie at a level that would not scare off the brands
I remember hearing about the original version of this movie and thinking it had potential but probably wouldn't be very good. When they changed to main character's name to "Dex Dogtective" I knew it was going to be absolute trash. To quote Mr. X: "Survival of the fittest, Leonard. Survival of the FITTEST!"
it could be cool if there is a UK pieces of lost media like lost bumpers from british feeds of cartoon network, disney channels and other lost Uk channels bumpers or just anything like media, games or books. I was born in the uk so it sad that many US users don't talk about that much on the uk other then like gumball or old thomas the tank engine.
He was WAY too overly ambitious he wanted to make a full fledged franchise out of a movie he considered to be one of the most complex animated movie to make at the time that hadn't even released yet. Considering this was the studios first animated film they probably shouldn't have tried to do something difficult part of the reason the movie looks so bad is probably because the film was trying to be ambitious.
We now refer to this as "Mighty No. 9 Syndrome", which originated from the fusion of the DD (Daikatana-Duke Nukem Forever) virus with the much rarer Cheetahmen plasmid.
I think that guy was contracted by another animation studio personal to ruin that plan. The reason for this is because the same producer mentioned that this would have been "the new generation of Pixar". And we know P.I.X.A.R is owned by the most important company of animation in the world. And to avoid having someone hot on their heels they did that. And then we know what happened next.
I wonder if it's actually possible if the the person who the stole the original version of foodfight can be contactable. But I'm assuming that takes quite a longer time. I really am interested in the original type with that animation of the original trailer of it.
The funniest detail about this movie is that Charlie Sheen said in an interview that he was banging 7 gram rocks during production. So all the weird motion capture bits were actually him coked up lol.
Winning!
That's how he roll
I can't blame him, if I was working on the movie I would need lots of drugs to get through it.
I mean during the The Star Wars Holiday Special, Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia was high off her ass during filming.
@chuckbuskeeyea i doubt they got the voice actors to do their own mocap
I actually checked the Lost Media Wiki page, and apparently they made an update regarding the lost version, and I quote:
“The early version of the film seemed to be a lot different from the original and was slated for a Christmas 2003 release. However, the original files were deleted by the film's creator, and production was stuck in development hell for a decade.”
That basically means that we may never see this passable original version again unless a miracle happens, but I highly doubt that.
It ain't Hoodwinked in terms of cult following material, and I doubt Kasanoff (or Assanoff) was truthful about his hard drive being stolen/sabotaged.
I actually remember finding out about this movie when I was in a broadcasting class in college back in 2010. We were doing a project where we had to pitch a variety show, and I wanted to pitch one centered around Wayne Brady. I looked up his filmography, saw Foodfight, got curious, read a little bit, then went back to writing my pitch. Imagine my surprise when it actually popped up and became an Internet phenomenon a few years later.
bound to happen, it's that bad.
It becomes phenomenal on the Internet as the "worst animated movie of all time".
Nowadays, it becomes a holy grail to lost media enthusiasts since the 2002 Showreel was released recently and got a small cult following.
Oh god that cat call scene is supposed to be directed at little Debbie? They know she's a child, right?
I know, right. Also, I'm pretty sure Hilary Duff was only 16 during recording. Kind of messed up.
That was supposed to be part of the joke, I guess.
@@AllThingsLost hey so that poor kid it is so sad because she's seen one of the worst animated movies of all time
how about some CHOCOLATE FROSTING??
This movie should have a REMAKE, I honestly respect Lawrence kasanoffs idea for foodfight. I think this movie has a lot of Potential for a really interesting, unique, funny and original movie! Plus you know what would make this movie to be the most complex looking animated movie? Is that they would make each mascot have different animation style and art style where some would have a painterly look to them seen in some real life supermarket mascots, some will be stop-motion animated like the California raisins, some will even be hand-drawn animated! Such as toucan Sam from froot-loops. Oh this can be a really good way of appreciating animation in general!
Over sexu@ized food n@zis VS a freaky cat lady and a dog-man?
Does that really need a reboot?
Found Kasaboff's alt account 😂
I love that the only existing photo you found of a person on the internet is the person's old black and white photo as a baby!
Calling product placement "cross promotion" is like calling lootboxes "surprise mechanics"
I really liked the video, seeing someone talk more about the production of this movie is pretty rare, and it's really interesting because I personally think the first version of the movie that is lost looked really cool, using an style of animation that combines really well with 3d in my opinion.
"When I say stolen, I mean I accidentally deleted them"
Larry Cassanov, Threshold Entertainment LLC (or something).
I wouldn’t be surprised
Lets me real, the hard drives weren't " Stolen " because of industrial subotage... It was probably an employee that tried to kill off what was going to be a massive trainwreck and tried to save his comrades reputation
UPDATE: It wasn't stolen. It was intentionally deleted I think to get back at someone.
Turns out nothing was deleted.
@@thefunnyguyaha Yeah I know that. It was changed in development so that the director could film it like a live action movie
This film would have been the most ambitious crossover and infinity war, being second place.
Roger Rabbit: Am I a joke to you? P-p-p-p-p-plllleeeease tell me I am!
@@mightyfilm yes, you are a joke.
Smash Ultimate: well yes but actually no
Ready Player One: Look what they need just to mimic a fraction of our power
I feel bad for him, he could have made a good movie but a dumb robber stole the most valuable thing, it sucked
I mean it would have still been terrible. The animation wasn't the only issue.
I mean he could’ve just, discontinued the project and moved on to another one lmfao
@@cocoa18_ To be honest, you have to have serious nerve to try and restart a movie from scratch after losing everything about it. I respect the filmmakers in that aspect - at least they tried to get their vision out there.
They where trying to save us from the movie but, they failed
@Skinny Daniel well an unfinished version of it
I truly believe the movie was never stolen. I think it was fabricated either because the original footage was lost by accident, or it was purposely scrapped so they could start from scratch.
To this day, I'm convinced "Food Fight" was basically "The Producers" playing out IRL. Only with Lawrence Kasanoff absconding with most of the $45-65 million, and making enough of a film to justify the money he received.
How else can you explain the animation being this inexcusably bad, for budget it had?
I love these lost media videos ! Great job
Thanks for the encouragement!
@@AllThingsLostsong @ 6:31
9:03 Are you fucking kidding me, did they seriously think that nightmarish picture on the top left would get people intrigued about the animation of a movie about grocery product mascots!?
Top 10 Lost deleted scenes possibly?
I was just thinking about a possible lost deleted scene from Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix when I saw your comment. A video on this would be pretty interesting.
If he does, I hope he includes the rarely seen deleted scene from Full Metal Jacket.
If you haven't watched the Rotten Documentary yet, you all should. the whole "Hard Drives Being Stolen" scenario has been debunked now. The movie being deleted was an intentional lie to push investors in giving Larry and his team extended time to not miss deadlines.
As well as an excuse to completely shift from standard computer animation to motion capture, and not because they lost the original animation but because dude was constantly changing his mind about what he wanted (which you can't really do with frame-by-frame animation without having to redo everything from scratch)
The idea that Damien from Mean Girls was going to debut in this movie is so weird.
Damien truly is too gay to function.
Here's my ideas on how to make "Foodfight!" a DECENT movie,
The Story: It's a hilarious, suspenseful, drama story about Dex Dogtective. Dex solves cases and stop the baddies for The USDA (United Supermarket Defense Accusation) when Marketropolis market closes down at night.
One night, his girlfriend bride-to-be Sunshine Goodness mysteriously disappears while trying to help Daredevil Dan.
Six months later... Dex gives up his detective business not knowing what will happen next for the supermarket. Then, Brand X comes to the store to kidnap all the icons and kill them one by one to be the most supreme icons of the WORLD!!!
Now, It's up to Dex, his best friend Dan and all the world's most beloved brands to take down Brand X to save the supermarket and all icons everywhere!
The Animation: The movie will combine 2D animation for the icons when the supermarket becomes the bustling city of Marketropolis and it will combine Live-Action for the market when it's not closed down during the day time and for the humans. Just like Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Space Jam.
The backgrounds will look detailed with a lot of features so the backgrounds don't look unfinished or blurry.
The Characters: This movie has a whole bunch of characters that can be unforgettable or you love.
Dex Dogtective is a keen, sharp and calm detective that saves the supermarket from any danger and helps his friends incase if they are in trouble. When Sunshine disappear, He forms into a retired cold detective who onws a nightclub called The Copabanana. But, Brand X appears to kill all his friends, Dex learns to believe in himself and to become his old self again to help his friends and to find who take his Sunshine away from his heart that his broken.
Sunshine Goodness is a bubbly, eager, and compassionate cat who onws a cereal brand like Dex. But when she disappears, Dex must stop Brand X to find his love again.
Daredevil Dan is a easygoing, well-meaning but wacky chocolate squirrel who is Dex's sidekick and the movie's comic relief. He invents all kinds of contraptions and inventions to help his icon friends. He rides a biplane and has a crush on Sweetcakes which is his girlfriend that he feels happy when he is around her.
Lady X is the main bad boss of Brand X and the movie's antagonist.
She is a flamboyant, ordely and evil icon that wants to exterminate all icons to be the greatest and most powerful icon in the world.
Her army tries to lure icons to trick them to go on her army, but the undesirables will be killed and sent to the expiration station.
Dr. Si Nustrix is a scientist and doctor who whipp up antidotes, medicine, and cures to help all icons in need. He is also not a Jewish stereotype.
Cheasel T. Weasel is a sleazy con-artist that have a item that a icon need but it's for a price.
He also tells all the information the icons need. He dosen't look like he came from the sewer and also dosen't look like poop to freak you out. He will look cheesy with a yellow texture.
There's a running gag with the lovable Polar Penguin where he tries to find a cold place because he is a penguin.
The Brand X army are NOT Nazis but they are military soldiers that do their bidding.
The characters are NOT racist stereotypes or speak like racist stereotypes.
There are NO sexual innuendos so kids and adults can be comfortable with this movie.
Continuity/Plot Holes: Icons can go to the real world if they find a secret opening of their product whuch transport them into the real world.
Humans can never go into the supermarket world but Lady X make a robot replica of her creator Mr. Clipboard to trick the icons.
In the scene with Dex, Dan and the lunch lady, they didn't get caught by the humans because the humans think they are toys or bugs.
The soda bottle Dex flyes on was flying because it was attached to a string like in the original trailer.
Sunshine didn't get recalled because Brand X motive was to kidnap Sunshine and to make a label that says recalled but it actually says kidnapped to lure Dex so they can kill both of them so they can recall them.
If a icon gets killed by Brand X, they disappear from the store till they get restocked again with they get revived.
A icon like Lady X changed her form because her creator intend a Brand X icon instead of a prune icon so they made the prune design but changed the icon to Lady X.
In the scene with Dex and Dan in the dryer, the Brand X building secretly has a giant dryer that has a hologram and fire they put in there.
The movie will have talented people who know what they do to make a good film. LAWRENCE KASANOFF is not invited for turning Foodfight! Into one of the worst animated films ever made.
Do you think these are good ideas to make "Foodfight!" A decent film for the world.
Feel free to leave your thoughts. :)
The rewrite sounds kinda eh, but with what you’re working with makes it seems like Citizen Kane compared to the real thing
Sounds way better than what we already got.
Actually maybe instead of Marketropolis and replace it with "Carson's Market" it's way better than "Marketropolis Market", it just holds a memorable name.
8:29 I am now going to assume a child worked on this movie. 😂
I know, right. There is a link in the description if you want to watch the video where I took the clip from.
I feel really bad for him :( the stretch animation looked way better haha. I actually hope the original copy gets found.The production quality of your videos is amazing!!!
I'm glad they stole it. Whoever did it was a real chad for fucking over this "creative vision". It literally would have been the same as the Emoji Movie. A pretty looking hour(s) long commercial with no soul.
@@shupasopniCompletely agree with the sentiment!
Well I was one of the concept designers and animator of the movie so I know what happened in detail, great info on the video, well done
So what was it like? Was Kasanoff really as bad as they say..."make it 30% more awesome" that kind of stuff?
Bullshit detector go brrrrrr
Not on the credits
Here is something I doubt ANYONE can find: a short animated film shown on cable T.V. in the early 1980's. It was about a small child who is afraid of the dark and his mother tells him theres nothing to fear but when its bedtime and the lights are shut out, a weird slime creature menaces him through the window. It then melts and becomes ropes that restrain the child to the bed. The ceiling lamp becomes an eye that then becomes a swinging pendulum. Eventually daylight comes and the boy rises from bed, relieved. He then opens his bedroom door and falls into oblivion. The memory of this cartoon has haunted me my whole life...
Really wish someone knew about this cartoon. I KNOW I didnt imagine it.
Wow I'll have to look into that sounds vaguely familiar
@@kamenanew9867 please do. It has haunted me all my life. I know I didnt imagine it. When I was a child I made play doh scupltures of the monsters in the cartoon. It had such a big impact on me. It was very disturbing and had such a bleak message yet the cartoon was so beautifully done. I've never stopped thinking about it. I can find no trace of it.
@@kamenanew9867 i thought it might have been on the Canadian Broacasting Channel ( CBC) or a short subject on HBO but my searches have lead nowhere
@@themongrelkingtoo388 haven't found it yet but haven't given up
This movie is a huge WTF moment!
i remember seeing this movie when i was 7. my sister and i saw it in a local comic book store we used to love going to, and we were excited to see it, so we bought it and took it home. i watched it once and then..... never again. you know your movie is shit when even a 7 year old hates it.
You were able to tolerate the whole thing at the age of 7? Damn, you have my respect.
This channel is super underrated. Always happy to see it pop up in my subs.
Listening to this, I got intense deja vu on a video about dorthy of Oz. That WAS a money laundering scheme. It makes me think that the situation might have been similar.
And resulted in many young wannabe actors getting their potential roles stolen by Noah Centineo
i remember seeing a dvd of foodfight in a local red apple. now its gone.
i can only imagine the horror the person who bought it felt after watching-
Imagine someone stealing the original film. That would be a cool origin story to tell your grandchildren about it.
I believe that the most possible theory on why "Food Fight!" became a lost animation because of the theft that took place during production. I believe that thief may be behind the production of "Sausage Party". I believe that movie was taken from the lost movie that was in production.
Maybe, i thought Sausage party would be close to this
Would that mean Food Fight was intended to be religious with it ending in an orgy?
@@uwu1234-i6j No that's "Sausage Party". Anyway, the real reason that the original production was missing because it was stolen by the creators of "Sausage Party" and made the production for it.
@@dustinfreeman1451 That is quite the accusation. I would love to see your evidence.
@@ChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChris ok Mr. Edgeworth
has anyone tried doing a FoodFight Reanimated project? I think that would be fun lol
Ye
I feel like this story shares a little bit with a clear production flop I'd followed before, where details about the production had been dug up by internet sleuths. The other story was for Spyro: Enter The Dragonfly, a game that is infamous for many reasons. However, given all the detail we've found out about the production, it's no wonder how we ended up with what we got. If you don't know the full story on the game, I'd try to find the TH-cam documentary on it. It's quite interesting. If only we had that level of detail on this project...
I mean, we have the "The movie was stolen" official explanation, but at the same time, I'm not sure that I buy that.
If I'm being honest, the story is very saddening. Given how ambitious the visualization for it was and the use of squash in stretch in a time 3D animation was still somewhat dead set on trying to look realistic, this felt like it would have been another "Disney aren't the only ones who can do things" piece in history and would have gladly rooted for these guys. But hey, if someone managed to get a an original December built of Dinosaur planet and released into the world, maybe a releases of the original food fight is possible
I Think The movie would have sucked anyway
this is actually so upsetting. imagine a universe where the hard drives were never stolen.
No doubt. The movie wasn't stolen. I theorize they didn't even HAVE finished animation outside of the trailer/proof of concept, and needed some excuse to get to a cheaper studio to do all the heavy lifting. They knew they had a stinker on their hands, they knew there was no way this was going to be in the same universe as successful, they were just trying to stall for time until the money was gone and they'd make their money back in whoever was going to wind up buying what they had cheap. I only feel terrible for the wasted cast. Christopher freaking Lloyd, Larry Miller, Wayne Brady... everyone was wasted on a terrible script. And seriously. Christopher "Doc Brown, The Hacker, Judge Doom, Reverend Jim" Lloyd! he can make just about ANYTHING awesome. Just not this piece of crap.
We have some animation of the old version not from the trailer, so it absolutely did exist. If they just wanted to finish the movie with cheaper animation, then why did it release so many years after the original trailer?
@@genyakozlov1316 they didn't, the studio was bankrupt and the company repossessing it took it and sent the half done re-make out to the cheapest company they could find. The repossession company then released it to try to make back some of their losses
I've discovered two interesting rabbit holes worthy of investigation lately: One being a BBC prison docu-drama based vaguely on the Stanford Prison Experiment. It was filmed in 2003, though was apparently poorly made. I can't find any full episodes online.
The second is a made-for-tv DnD moral panic film aired in 1992 called "Honor Thy Mother", which I can only find clips and summaries of online, not the whole film. Maybe you'd have better luck than me in tracking these down.
i’ve been in sort of a lost media phase for a bit and i gotta say, this channel is really underrated
I really suspect that the theft was a publicity stunt. This movie sounds like a train wreck, and the company was probably trying to either get out or to pump the hype machine even more (not sure which). This isn't a Rapsittie Street Kids situation, where the movie feels like it was the result of a guilty plea deal. While I doubt this would have been as big as the creator was making it out to be, there really isn't a reason why it shouldn't have been at least fairly successful. Either something went wrong, or the whole thing was a stunt.
Terrible movie 1/10, but it's still better than Netflix's Cuties
At this point almost any film is better than that illegal abomination of a “film”
Anything is, Umbreon.
Whew! Now, "Foodfight!" was quite the story behind it!
...Huh. I always thought the slinky dog from Toy Story was an original toy design.
I have a theory the original never existed. I think this was a long term scam.
No dude, you lying.
Here is proof that the original version exists.
th-cam.com/video/jD3BcP9yiGY/w-d-xo.html
I'm pretty sure it did exist due to the many accounts of disgruntled animators that had to work on it lol.
Bowling Alley Animation the Musical is what my mom called this
I wonder how a video about lost toys would be cancelled toy lines and such?
That production cost is easily explained by licensing fees.
I still sometimes wish that the Emoji Movie's hard drives were stolen and the movie was cancelled, it was the first thought I had the moment I saw the Emoji Movie's trailer and I remembered this movie.
Hey, your channel is awesome! This has to be best video on Foodfight! i've ever seen
I wish there's more lost comics stuff, especially older and weirder comics like the possible lost strips of vera ray and Olga Mesmer, or the lost first webcomic witches in stitches (or was it witches and stitches) not to mention the cavalcade of lost Gmod comics and other webcomics, And that's not even going into the lost comics from overseas especially from wartime
I'm actually really curious what the original film would have looked like, if it ever manages to be found I'd honestly love to watch it
did anyone else have the book for this??? it was like a picture book and with buttons on the side and when you hit them the buttons would make sounds that matched the characters on the buttons.
Nice video! I've been looking for a channel dedicated to lost media for a long time in a way that's fun and interesting like your channel does.
I feel like it was insurance scam and the theft was an inside job. What motivation would someone have to go through the effort and risk of stealing the movie from an insignificant studio? Even if Disney/Dreamworks were unethical enough to try to sabatoge other studios they wouldn’t bother with this small studio that is barely a threat to them
Is it really such a huge loss though? How good could the original version have possibly been? Better animated, sure, and potentially not as big of a flop. Other than that....it can stay lost for all I care.
That extended story was so heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time.😔🥰
I don't think foodfight! was a bad idea although actually I think it was something original
I’ve actually seen a foodfight plush, It was at a store connected to a restaurant in Orlando Fl around 2017. It was one of the California Raisins.
For me, there’s countless videos I’d watch on this site that have become lost overtime. But here are a couple examples of TH-cam lost media I could think about. Which the first one is a British TH-camr named Trap Lore Ross. Back sometime in early April 2018, he’d made a video titled “Is Ready Player One garbage” under his other channel Ross Hacks which I now believe. The video was of himself in his room explaining of why this movie was really terrible and ended it with saying “VR has a long way to go.” And when the video was uploaded it would’ve been about a week so a little after the movie had came out. I’d watched the video after I saw the movie in the theater and was already in Junior year of high school by that point. But the video was taken down in either July or August of 2018. Then his channel and Twitter account was deleted in early 2019 likely in late January after checking it out before New Years Eve since there was more videos he uploaded, in early February I decided to go back and check on his channel until noticing that it disappeared. Though, there were more videos on his channel like a video on how Call Me by Your Name is overrated, some sort of Spider-Man video and a Netflix comedic routine skit where I thought it would be last one until a few months later and already in Senior year as he’d uploaded a new video but one time to his channel to check that was suddenly gone quickly. web.archive.org/web/20190104024155/th-cam.com/channels/nH8al10BzxCg-N-69Syqjg.html
Another, was an image slideshow tribute video from either April or May of 2008 titled Lost Liners or Lost Ships. This one is a little bit more harder to know because I was then 7 when I’d already discovered TH-cam sometime in late January and it was uploaded by channel which I don’t even know the name of but likely no longer exists now. The video showed pictures of many ocean liners that were lost at sea notably pictures of the Titanic, Lusitania, Andrea Doria and Normandie. And I would watch this back in 2008-2012 until the video was taken down It sometime in either 2013 or 2014 and had very beautiful music from a movie that I happen to catch my dad watching on either Encore or Starz (before it become Starz Encore) around March 2012 which was about a few years later at 11. The thumbnail for the video was a painting done by Ken Marschall of the Titanic with it’s stern rising higher as its sinking while people on Lifeboat No.2 watch but in low res. titanicofficers.com/images/Marschall_Boxhall.jpg
A lost media topic that I haven't heard very many people talk about is the original airings of the first couple seasons of The Simpsons.
The showrunners, or whoever was in charge would continue working on the episodes after they originally aired and would add or remove scenes sometimes.
I know this firsthand because I grew up with VHS recordings of the episodes from when they first aired. Unfortunately I lost the cassettes for the first two seasons.
It's been so long that I would really have to Rack my brain to remember any of the changes but one that I definitely remember is that in the episode "Bart's dog gets an F" the scene where Martin Prince asks how he can tell if he's using the choke collar correctly and the lady says that "the dogs eyes cross" wasn't in the first version of the episode. It cuts right from her yanking on the collar and Santa's L helper falling on the ground, to Bart asking if his dog is dead
I still have the cassette for season 3 so I could potentially go through it and look for changes, but I don't particularly like those episodes and don't know them as well, ans that would take like 20 hours to watch two versions of every episode and God that sounds like a pain in the ass XD
If anyone wants further proof from a more reputable source that the Simpsons was changed between broadcasts they actually discuss it on the season 1 commentary for The Tell-Tale head during the ending credits.
This movie has been played at Alamo Drafthouse theaters, where it is called “The Room of Animated Films.”
Wait, _Threshold_ is the company doing the Tetris movies? I'd heard about them but had no idea Threshold was involved. Holy shit.
Omg I never would thought Android KitKat was a cross-promo rather than an internal name not intended to be used in marketing.
Well, news flash, the movie’s assets weren’t stolen after all. These fuckers accidentally deleted them. Threshold is a lost cause.
Woah! I also heard about it too! 🤯
Nope. Not true, been debunked by the rotten documentary.
@@RagingRedPandaand it's even worse, the "original version" never even existed it was all just promotional/concept animation created to wow investors, and then they created the whole theft story as an excuse for why it was taking so long + why they were switching to motion capture
I wonder if the original copy of Foodfight is sitting in some storage locker
Around the world
Or was destroyed
I hope it’s sitting waiting to be found one day in somebody’s grandfather’s basement or storage locker
I hope there’s a day that we find a storage locker filled with merchandise from this movie
Wow, your edition,investigation, voice, it's just perfect, you deserve more suscribers
Great video. This is probably the only video with the complete history! I thought the trailer before the movie was stolen had amazing animation. Too bad this was the movie we got instead.
Ya know, maaaaybe it was a good idea to keep that Little Debbie dirty joke was left out
The original treatment for the movie that I read in 1998 was fantastic - but very little of the material made it into the final product. I, too, believe that the drives weren't stolen. Threshold just massively overestimated their capabilities.
In case what you're saying is real and not a hoax, what did this said treatment had of different from the version that was finally made? And how did you managed to see and know about it?
@@PedroAlves-qj8fb Well, I was working for a major network in Germany and Threshold was looking for some financing. I visited their Santa Monica studios a couple of time (they were shooting the MORTAL KOMBAT TV series at the time - I have the pics to prove it). Among the several scrips that I read and evaluated for co production were FOODFIGHT and BOGEYS, both written by Brent Friedman and Rebecca Swanson. To give you an idea how different the original vision was, here is a line from my reader's report: "In a big supermarket, the food comes to life at night: all the brand name characters party through the aisles: Tony the tiger, Dr. Scholl, the Chiquita banana lady, etc.". It had all the characters that they wanted to license (for product placement), and they used them in hilarious ways. Friedman & Swanson were a great writing team (and yes, I also met with Brent a few times). I have a lot of scripts on my hard drive, but this goes back to 1998, the good old age of printed scripts. I fear it's lost.
@@torstend Was that really so? Interesting to hear there was actually a point to the real life brand mascots on the movie. Think this point got kind of lost when the production started to introduce its own characters.
You think you can tell me some more precise details of what you remember about this version? Sounds really interesting, specially because I've never heard anything about this one before, only about the closer to the final version (the one planned to 2003 ).
It was never stolen. The director was a egomaniac who deleted the files out of spite.
I watched this whole movie while I was on acid.
I wonder if the original version is still out there or if it even exists. I mean how could a movie like this that was supposedly finished still be lost. Especially with how popular the crappy remade version has become. It just doesn't make sense.
th-cam.com/video/jD3BcP9yiGY/w-d-xo.html
Here is some clips of the old version from 2002
@@dansimrgcompare2780 Oh sweet! I've seen a teaser before but not like that. Thanks! :)
@@Danniboi03 welcome
This channel is seriously underrated. You should be at 50K subs by now.
Great dive down into this movie's history
What if this film was actually like Who Framed Roger Rabbit and was a 2D animated feature? or hired professional writers and producers? actually, what if this film has pitched to an actual professional animation company?
*"Survival of the fittest Leonard!"*
You know what they can do with remake it with different name of course
And different characters and story but with the ideas
I think it time to stop making good things better and make bad things with good ideas and make them better
The animation of the first trailer reminds me of "Hood winked"
Also if the Movie wasn't sold we could still be waiting for it
Food Fight had a budget similar to Shrek (50m v 60m), how did it still look so bad?
Foodfight! Is finally found!
Wait, so the company made mortal kombat the movie. Which is considered the first good live action video game movie. And this hot garbage?!
I'd put money on this being who stole it... I bet one or more of the brands offered money to someone on the inside to steal it.
Ludo : The Movie still hasn't come out yet
The theft of the hard drives very well could have been Pixar. They weren’t doing so well with the Disney contract at the time and Food Fight was basically stealing a major concept of Toy Story. With all the buzz the film was getting and all of its brand deals, perhaps a lone wolf at Pixar decided enough was enough
Can Someone Tell me What’s the name of the music at 9:41 - 12:23
8:18 my god. That guy did a "20% cooler" before it was cool. Like, how is that even a metric? Animators need to know exactly what needs to be improved
Since you did a Sonic Lost Media, maybe you should do a Mario Lost Media one to connect to that one, just a suggestion lol, but I’m interested to see if Mario has any lost media
Maybe the person who stole it tried to save us from getting scared from it. To bad it didn't work.
I don't think Ksssenoff would actually steal the hard drives himself. I think the changes he made were just because the film was stolen, and he had to change the direction of the film. I think it was more likely that one of the animators might've done it.
I can't be the only one that thinks this movie's idea must be recycled, I would pay to see stuff like the Chiquita mascot lady making subtle imperialism jokes, hinting at company's history. You could make countless jokes like this throughout the movie at a level that would not scare off the brands
Its a really bad idea for a movie though
Speaking of the Mortal Kombat reboot film, it will be released this Friday in theaters & HBO Max.
0:32 whats that song?
I remember hearing about the original version of this movie and thinking it had potential but probably wouldn't be very good. When they changed to main character's name to "Dex Dogtective" I knew it was going to be absolute trash. To quote Mr. X: "Survival of the fittest, Leonard. Survival of the FITTEST!"
it could be cool if there is a UK pieces of lost media like lost bumpers from british feeds of cartoon network, disney channels and other lost Uk channels bumpers or just anything like media, games or books.
I was born in the uk so it sad that many US users don't talk about that much on the uk other then like gumball or old thomas the tank engine.
He was WAY too overly ambitious he wanted to make a full fledged franchise out of a movie he considered to be one of the most complex animated movie to make at the time that hadn't even released yet. Considering this was the studios first animated film they probably shouldn't have tried to do something difficult part of the reason the movie looks so bad is probably because the film was trying to be ambitious.
We now refer to this as "Mighty No. 9 Syndrome", which originated from the fusion of the DD (Daikatana-Duke Nukem Forever) virus with the much rarer Cheetahmen plasmid.
Ironically, Disney's current management is about as insightful as Larry Kasanoff when it comes to producing animated features.
not really.
This looks like something Tim Heidecker would’ve rejected for “On Cinema!”
I think that guy was contracted by another animation studio personal to ruin that plan.
The reason for this is because the same producer mentioned that this would have been "the new generation of Pixar". And we know P.I.X.A.R is owned by the most important company of animation in the world. And to avoid having someone hot on their heels they did that. And then we know what happened next.
In a future video, you should cover the Kurt Cobain Ren and Stimpy song, sure it isn’t confirmed that it exists, but it would be cool to hear about.
I wonder if it's actually possible if the the person who the stole the original version of foodfight can be contactable. But I'm assuming that takes quite a longer time. I really am interested in the original type with that animation of the original trailer of it.