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It is.....people want frivolous nonsense in their lives these days.....lots of morons walking the earth. It's amazing to watch.....ordinary society is like watching an old animal documentary to me sometimes. It's sad actually.....but what can you do? They'll send you to prison for eliminating the slow gazelles.
@@mantoniol24 When Plato speaks of "eternity" here he is speaking of time as a dimension, like space. We could say space runs up and down, right and left endlessly, no? Just so with "eternity" -- time as a dimension extends forwards and backwards, endlessly. In the quote, when he speaks of "time" he is talking about "passing-time"; the sort of time that we experience as entities living in this materialistic sense-bound world. The illusion of "passing-time" is created because all we can experience with our materialistic senses is a present moment (a cross-section of the temporal dimension), constantly moving into the next. Hence, "moving image." Plato thought that everything existing in our material world are copies of a "true form" or idea which exists outside of space & time. These ideas are timeless, eternal. As they pass through the materialistic world, they "become" in passing-time. However we cannot grasp the eternal form with our physical senses - we can only grasp the moving image, which appears to us as growth and becoming.
"There was a young man called Bright who could travel faster than light. He set off one day, in a relative way, and returned the previous night". I'm off for a lie-down!
Children today are so lucky! All these great science programs they can explore just a click away. So I guess it’s possible to actually get clever using these shows
I find a lot young people who actually see science shows. But maybe their parents could do an effort to help them! I don’t know, I think you will see it in a statistic some years ahead?
You can learn as much from these programs as you would sitting in a classroom. One advantage is that you can rewatch all, or part, to better understand. The disadvantage is that you can’t ask questions.
I love this series SO much! The best part of it is that Kuhn is respectful of a wide variety of opinions while being sharp enough to hold the feet of those espousing the opinions to the fire. So much of what we can say authoritatively about a subject like time really resolves into vagueness not unlike the "waveform" of Quantum Mechanics. There is an idea. It has a mathematical expression. But that is all but untranslatable into human experience.
It is not very difficult if one keeps one's head focused. The first guy interviewed is obviously onto something, and very much influenced by Bertrand Russell's words from 1959 (short version; "don't assume based on trends, your feelings or desires". I wish more scholars would obey that advice, most don't at all). He doesn't get to finish however ,or doesn't want. The reason why there is no linear causation is that there is relativity. Yes, at all scales. There is only dynamic intercausation. The guy at 7'20 doesn't so much know what he is talking about except from mostly in the start, and feels like he wants to be nice to Newton by mentioning him. A bit of a cliché. Let's play the rest and see how much worse it can get :) :)
Khun is a worthless dreamer and no more than a pourer from the empty into the void; you only have to tread on his corns to discover what a mouse(nothing and nobody) he is, but that is true of all men(human beings). Before you seek to defend the worthless dreamer, look up the tu quoque fallacy. Would you say that it is a fallacy of relevance like the ad populum fallacy?
@@vhawk1951kl Kuhn is hardly susceptible to your assertion. He seem almost uniquely open to the range of ideas of many people. By contrast, you appear intent on closing our minds to his contributions before they, and the many other peoples' ideas he lifts up, can be considered. Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for "you also") is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest use of the term in the English language.[1] "Whataboutism" is one particularly well known modern instance of this technique
Honestly I’d rather to not have a clear conclusion than to believe something false,which is what I believe most of humanity does/has done anyway. We turn to things like religion and other fantasies when we don’t know the truth or have answers and that’s the key…there are things that we will just never know or understand.
But isn't saying how an increase of entropy explains the direction of time kind of circular? The word "increase" is a *temporal* word, implying a rising trend from a past and to a future. In other words, you can't really explain time by using time itself in your definition.
First Law of Thermodynamics: You can't win. Second Law of Thermodynamics: You can't break even. Third Law of Thermodynamics: You can't stop playing. One of these gotta work!
Yes. We hit a brain barrier. There's certain parts of our reality that are simply beyond our ability to conceptualize. No matter how easily understood we created an airplanes control panel an orangutan would hardly attempt to land an airplane.
@@tertiuswehmeyer7817 unfortunately that explanation does nothing to explain why changes occur, why is the universe not unchanging? What is the fundamental cause and process of change? Then you'll be getting to a better explanation
@@williamesselman3102 To think we are unable to do so is rather selfish. We have escaped our limits many times in the past, what makes you think our generation is the pinicle of understanding our reality?
I am so grateful for this series. Magnificent production values from the beautiful settings, to the wonderful narration by Mr Kuhn. It offers an introduction to some of the most brilliant minds in science today.
I have learned so much by watching closer to the truth. Mr Kuhn attempts to find answers to many unknowns that we all have probably thought and wondered about.
As part of a project I have taken on, I had to unscramble this very question. To my astonishment one fact was made crystal clear. People, *especially scientists* are very *_confused_* about how they use the word "Time". Those trying to explain a nature , feature or characteristic of Time have actually weaved in and out of different understandings of the word, most often without even recognizing their segue.This I realize, has had a crippling effect on the pedagogy of the subject. I have since recognized 14 different definitions, meanings or uses of the word 'time'. Just some food for thought.
How true. I think (naively, I imagine) that many people confuse time way too much. Time (to my mind) is like distance. It's just a measurement. So the question is, what does it measure? Whereas distance is a measure of how far apart two objects are in space, time is a measure of change within that space. Distance describes where "things" are relative to other "things". Time describes how things change. They actually describe our reality. Without distance no matter could exist and without time no change would occur (isn't that the basis of our reality?)
@@Unshou i think the basis of reality is a wave because it is either one thing or it is nothing....1 or 0...matter or antimatter. It is binary. So why does physics lead to two states for any given particle? Because the state of that particle is rendered only as quickly as the processing capacity of the universal wave function. Every point in space has to be calculated at every moment of time. It is not random. It os executing code to show a value in the position. Time is that rendering frequency. And it is relative because the engine renders at different frequncy depending on how much information is concentrated in the area. Information being matter and its history of what has happened to it previously.
@@cecilmcintosh864 Yep - that's what I was trying to say - you just said it better. Where I say "Distance" I should have said "Position" - which is the wave function (position and time) I believe you're talking about.
@@Unshou Yes, and you may not agree with this but even more so i am saying the matrices of higher dimension is really that at these positions there is an unknown number of representations of 0 and 1 in a particular sequence which is a form of information of what is happening at that position. So if you could stop time entirely you would see a 1 or 0, but it is not random. You cannot prove that it isn't random, because if you look at the 1s and 0s generated for a simple line of code it appears to be random, and stretches very far. Imagine the code behind all our principles of reality. So you have an engine rendering the commands, and consciousness is the processor of those commands. We experience reality as an interpretation of those commands. That is what i believe causes mass effect. It is the lag on the processing of information at these positions due to matter. So how much time passes at a single point in space while all these 1 and 0s are being rendered in sequence, that is the real tick speed. Every simulation has a tick speed, and we will likely never know it. That is what time is in my opinion, the actual time between each 1 and 0, and i don't believe it can be known from within the simulation. Nor do i believe it is real. Just like numbers it is infinitely relative. The number of positions in the universe is not real either. I say not real, because it is not finite. Not tangible. It is being procedurally generated on an exponential scale which is why we think there was a big bang. There was never a big bang as an explosion due to heat, but it was a big bang of procedurally generated space, and the principles applied to that space made it so that a finite amount of matter would exist and become what it has become. That is why matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
This is a good channel. I don't come here for answers but just to ponder those big questions with learned people who have garnered particular insights.
The edge of the universe is the Big Bang, it is the beginning of time. When we look out into space the further we look the older it is. The microwave background radiation comes from 300,000 after the Big Bang, and that's as far as we can see using light.
Love the process of the human brain evolving in a lifetime gaining wisdom, insight, expanding it's understanding of life. Realizing things that only time could provide. To the mind time is a sort of vehicle that slowly changes perspective.
I have this playing in the background while I cook dinner. My self-conversation was, "Basil...Check. Oregano...Check. Thyme...uh-oh. I'm not sure that I even know what it is anymore!
I always thought of time as the measure of change. The fact that quantum physics doesn't make a distinction between present and past, I'm not sure how relevant that is to the macro experience of time. Just as physics doesn't support the idea that matter is solid but rather the product of charges and nuclear forces, you best move is to get out of the way of a runaway truck rather than take a chance that it's charges or atoms will pass through you. In other words, I think that when people get too wrapped up in abstractions, they lose sight of practical outcomes or realities. The past may be fixed and have bearing on the future, but we can't change the past even if at the quantum level it's not different from the present or future. You can't make choices in the present that will change the past but you can make choices in the present that will change the future. I don't think that this is subjective. If it isn't true, then all choice is meaningless since the future is predetermined.
I like your idea...I do think there are things that you can change or that can change with a some equation removed or added. I think their are also things set in motion that can not be changed. Giving a false sense of reality almost that we have the power to change the future when really its the lack of understanding of reality and how it actually functions over time. Take someone being in the right place at the right time or visa versa. How do you know what actions to take to change ge your fortune. It almost seems inevitable if you are suppose to be at work at 8am at a specific location and tragedy strikes. Creating a pre destined future you might say?
“Physics doesn’t support the idea of matter as a solid”? Yes it does. What are you talking about.? The reason you don’t fall through a chair when you sit is because the negatively charged electrons on the outer shell of the stone of the chair material repel the negatively charged electrons on the outer shell of the atoms that make your body.
@@chrismathis4162 That is what I'm referring to. The actual mass of atoms is very tiny and would not by itself prevent matter from passing through other matter. It isn't their density or mass that gives them a physically solid appearance or behavior that we experience in the macro world, but rather energy and charge. The actual physical part of matter isn't enough to prevent one piece of matter from passing through another, it's the charges that repel each other. In terms of physical stuff, we're more not here than here. Matter is a form of energy.
"time as the measure of change," or a description of a description of a description.. Words about words; the specialite de la maison Khun. Pouring from the empty into the void.
@@vhawk1951kl That is the nature of all definitions. We use words to define other words. Occasionally, if the concept is very simple, a picture might suffice. How would you define time without using words? Yes, words have their limits and some things can only be approximated by language, but words and language are still very useful and powerful in defining, describing, or explaining existence. If I asked you to meet me at the corner of Sixth and Bryant and 10 AM, you wouldn't have to wax philosophical about it, you'd know what I meant. The perception of time is hardwired into all of us. We all perceive its passage as we get older and witness change and are aware of how "long" it takes to achieve certain things. According to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, time slows down as we approach the speed of light. The person traveling this speed would not perceive this. Five years would still feel like five years. Yet if they returned to earth, their friends and relatives would have aged sixty years or so. The first person perspective for both parties would be the same, only their differences in age "or rate of change" would be evident when you met again. I'm trying to reduce the meaning of time to its essence and how it is perceived or functions in our lives. The rate of change is the closest thing I can think of. A thrown baseball is "faster" than an old man crossing the street. The rate of change is the distance covered divided by the time taken to do this. The age we die at is the number of trips earth has made round the sun from the time we were born to the time we checked out. It's a frame of reference that is very useful and yet still an abstraction like math itself.
I love listening to these people who speak like musicians. My simple mind only sees time as a second way to measure the space between two events. I like the idea of it being measurable both ways when quantum mechanics is considered. The double split experiment seems to show that a futur event affects the present and that’s probably an example of where it applies. Much to learn with these videos. Thank you.
1 Why is everyone here talking like they are slaves in North Korea at a forced celebration of pictures of the dictator family? The "I am sorry for existing" tone. Yes, science docus are (obviously) better than average prime time rubbish entertainment (although they occasionally float together). Skip the melodrama .. 2 Yes time is the (only) second measurement of motion, like you call it. Second because all matter is always in motion. What we measure is not time itself. Time is the measurement of relative motions. That is it. Can we merge time and space? Well yes, by the simple fact that time is only measured in space (the background of the passing of events/interactions). 3 After 3 somewhat grown-up people interviewed we come to the hyperactive postmodernist at 16'48. They always want to appear everywhere now. Some call them flat-earthers. I guess that is too gentle. The guy starts out by saying that "classical physics" treat nature as determined. Well... Not really. Is he talking about the renaissance and confuse it with the late information age or the science of the industrial revolution? Anyway : That we obviously can't predict all events of the future is due to the obvious fact that Cosmos is crammed with events at huge and tiny scales, involving f ex relativistic motions. That doesn't mean that you can arrange a nothingness into boxes of probability and talk as if nature stops in each box and makes "freedom" decisions. These "quantum mechanics" priests tend to not understand the very basics of the meaning of the word mechanics, which is just another word for dynamics.
(Btw I forgot to mention a comment on the last thing you wrote. That a "future event" is affecting the present is a totally meaningless idea. It is what the old greeks called pareidolia. Why that idea is not plausible you have roughly well explained already in the total of the 3 first guys interviewed. I am not very surprised however when these kinds of mysticist speculations are hiding behind the "double slit experiment". An "experiment" where we can find the world record in a diarrhea of nonsensical superstitious garble being postulated or launched as "interpretations". (No, a wave pattern does not mean that the photons are illusions. The wave pattern can not possibly occur as such without particle mechanics operating in certain ways providing the outcome called a wave)
Time and space are real but intangible. Our minds construct a model that help us to make sense of these. Our model of space helps us to explain things like position, size and distance. Our model of time helps us to explain things like change, motion and causality. For now, I believe it is impossible to say "what is" time or space without these mental constructs.
I just had a thought- Perhaps the present is a timeless stationary point which we experience as the now and the future flows to us from one point then flows out the other end giving us the illusion of time flowing, like sitting in a stationary train whist the train next to you is moving making you feel like you're the one that's moving.
As Immanuel Kant said, time is the inner mode of perception built into us humans. And space is the outer mode of perception, also built into us. Both of them define our reality.
@@frank1803 Humans are their own worse enemy sometimes, due to the impulsive ways they try to deal with something, that makes them feel like they have less control than originally thought. Time, when looked at, for it's straightforward purpose, how we can use it on a day to day basis, then it an indicator for the moment you are presently occupying within a 24 hour period. But when someone starts describing it as an the silent control freak, or the invisible governor (as you need to give your time in order to read what time it is, which then prompts a thought of something that needs doing now or soon. Other get freaked out through the lack of understanding when it said to be the 4th dimension which most people can't get their head around even with a visual explanation, but the calming, and reassuring word people gravitate to is time being an illusion. This program is clearly adding to the confusion, B But there is only 1 definition. TIME is nothing more, and nothing less, than The period of rotation of a spin rate. To try and construct new way of expressing it with theatrical physics leading to a network of paradoxical rabbit holes, will definitely do something, but it doesn't change that everything from the the mass-less photon to the biggest planetary body to a super massive Black Hole, every atom, particle and magnetic field, to rotating charge, tornado and hurricanes. Even every wave in propagation, is just a 2 Dimension representation of a 3 Dimensional spiral. And everything is spinning toward something, that something is plank length, or it dielectric omega. golden ratio is present in all, which makes everything, macro to micro in and out, all interconnected interlocking rates of spin. The gears, and cogs, that keeps everything ticking like clockwork, and it's what no one even thinks or talks about any more.... CAUSATION... discarded because, simply describing the visible effect in front of their eyes is favored. The world is perpetually churning out eye candy for everyone and forgotten it's true importance when attempting to understand anything, when the cause is not even considered, less that half is actually understood, This is the direct reason why the advancements and breakthroughs in physics, science basically don't exist, well anything worthy of telling the world. All because around 75 years ago the world of civil engineering was snowballing with people inventing patents idea, it was happening too fast apparently, so they went to the CAUSE, and tore it apart, and remain that way to day, engineers were Scientists, Chemists, Biologists, Mathematicians Physicists, Machine operators, and 1 idea could incorporated all these skills, and all brought together with the bonding glue, of PHILOSOPHY a trait people seemed born with and was the way CAUSATION was the final UNIFICATION!!
Nice video. Philochrony is the theory that describes the nature of time and demonstrates its existence. Time is magnitive: objective, Imperceptible (intervals) and measurable (duration).
Time is a concept only. All temporal paradoxes evaporate with that realization. Realization is illusive after a lifetime of believing time to be something in the universe.
Kant proved centuries ago that time is not a fundamental aspect of the universe but rather a fundamental aspect of the way humans perceive the universe
Nothing happend instantly, it required energy and se expirience it as time..it flows independent of us, and interract with other forces in nature..even light requires time to travel some distance and space itself expand becouse of time, or it would expanded already as you say that all can happend at once. We use radiation to mesure time,not invented some ilusionary values
They Said ,,you cant predict future, but you can always predict time , regardless of other fundamental forces Like gravity and other to...space is not infinite so time is real Like entropy
Time IS a construct but not made by man. And ppl age because the skin never stops growing and bones & skull shrink by design in this reality. You can slow aging down a bit by your intention and stepping out of herd mentality/ programing.
Recently I was running late (thanks to a rainstorm and sluggish traffic) for a dinner meeting with a friend. When I finally arrived and approached the table where he was already seated, he remarked, "Well, it's about time! That got my head spinning, and later on that night (after I'd returned home), the comment took on a Machiavellian persona, so to speak. What exactly is it “about time” that is so fascinating to us? We talk about having the time of our lives, about running out of time, about how fast (or slowly) time passes, about time getting away from us, about where did the time go, and the real kicker-how we spend our time-as if it’s some kind of commodity to be bought and sold. In fact, sometimes it’s impossible to talk about time without using time words like timely, timeless, time to go, time on our hands, and taking time out. That last one is one of my favorites because I often wonder where exactly that “out” is that I should take the time. The reality is that, prior to that night, I’d never really given any thought to the expression “it’s about time, ” and it gave rise to a whole chain of thought for me. What does it really mean, for example, to “spend” time? We spend money. Is it like that? When we spend money, we can do that because we got it from somewhere else (usually our work or in payment for some service we’ve performed), and we either bank it for future use or (and I would suggest this is the more common behavior) use it to purchase something we suddenly decide we really must have. Then we hand over that money, giving it to the store, business, restaurant, theater, church, or sporting event we’ve decided to spend it at. And (I would again suggest) we never see that particular money again. (At least I don’t keep a list of the serial numbers of every item of currency I’ve ever had and then check any of the new currency I get against that list to see if I’ve gotten it again. Sorry, but I have more important things to “spend my time” on than that!) So is it the same with time? If we truly do “spend” time doing this or that, what happens to it after we’ve spent it? Does it go into some ethereal “bank” and get stored up? Does it simply disappear into some unknown void? Or does it become available for someone else to use at some point in the future? Curious thing about time, too. We often think of it as totally linear with the seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, and years going by like beads on a necklace. But maybe it’s not always so. Perhaps “our” particular time sometimes bends back upon itself. I mean, have you ever had that feeling of being in a place you just “know” you’ve been to before-a feeling known as déjà vu-or have a dream that seems so real that you’re sure you’ve just lived whatever occurred in it? Perhaps it intertwines with the time of other people, like the guy you passed on the street you’d never seen before-and aren't likely to see again-or the woman you spoke with while waiting in the line at the supermarket, talked about “kids these days,” and then left the store after you’d checked out, the likely result being that you’d never see her again. For just those moments in time your lives crossed, and your “times” merged. The end result is that time remains one of life’s great mysteries. We all experience it, it frequently governs our lives and decides when we need to do (or should do) certain activities or be at certain locations, it comes and goes with no effort on our part, and yet none of us truly understands it. We all have time to live (some more and some less), but when our “time is up,” then we experience what we so blithely call death. What happens then? Does time truly end for us-or do we, as many believe, enter into another “time” that is somehow different (or as some profess-eternal)? And what happens to all the time that we have now passed? Or, perhaps, more to the question, where does the time come from that we call the future? Excerpted from my copyrighted book "Up into the Beyond" (on Amazon).
The brain is continuously gathering all informations, configuring and composing all details to the topic to complete a reasonable picture. It takes time for realisation of the informations. The conscious mind takes over, that's the "click" effect, I got it. It's not a waste of time, it's the evolving phase within time. Like a baby, when it finally realizes what it's seeing.
I think you may be right. But the word "moment" may be misleading. perhaps there is just us and what we see around us, in which you and other things are moving. mm a brief history of timelessness.
I think in this dimension, at least for a very long time, certainly beyond our current life spans, we humans are doomed to never know. That is what makes it so exciting to live. As there is so much to explore and uncover. Something humans have a penchant for.
It is really much simpler than these experts think. First time is not a thing, not substance. Second time is only the measurement of motion. Since atoms are always in motion there is always time. The past is over. The future hasn’t happened yet and the present moment is all that exists, but it is infinitely small.
Very interesting topics. RLK offers these wonderful programs that only serve the purpose of posing very smart questions that are basically unanswerable by any human being. To put it bluntly, we don't know shit about anything, however, it's entertaining to just listen what these 'luminaries' have to say about the rhetorical questions Robert asks. Never a dull moment watching Closer to Truth shows.
it was explained once that if a 2 dimensional being saw something in 3d it would be difficult to understand, so much so they may literally not see some of it. so is the same with time. a higher dimension than the 3rd, which we are. and so we only see time as forward movement, when in fact all of time exists all at once
Except time is not a dimension, it is a label for the sequence of events. The block universe is false, it violates quantum mechanics, the future does not exist.
or, perhaps the world is just as it appears to be and we habitually see and define all motion as being "forward".... ? have you ever seen a cloud going backwards ? does you bank card go backwards into an atm, then forwards out of it, or does it go forwards in and backwards out... or is it forwards each way :^? mm
Wow, this Julian Barbor fellow reminds me a tremendous amount of my general physics teacher from community College. They both talk about this universe of possibilities/potentials versus the actual, observable universe with regard to the relationships between these potentials and actualities.
Time feels like a recipe, more than an ingredient. It takes motion, dilation, space, dimension, and energy to exist. It almost seems like something which is made, which in turn, is what makes everything else.
There are indications that time could be infinity. Since time and space move in opposite directions, for example time slows to zero as space travel faster at speed of light; when space is zero, such as outside universe, time becomes infinite.
To the devil with words about words about words; how do I actually *e-x-p-e-r-i-e-n-c- e what-I-call "Time"?-What *exactly am I *experiencing* and how? Suppose X and Y do not have watches or similar machines and agree to meet at the intersection of A street and B street. do they just both go there and hope to encounter one another?
It is utterly futile for men (human beings to speak of infinite because they only last for such a short period of what they call time(although they have no more idea of what time might be than they have of what they are). Men speaking of infinity or eternity is like fish speaking about the niceties of bicycles. Men appear on a planet move about a bit chatter a lot and then are (for themselves) destroyed forever, and when they are not chattering or moving they are dreaming; they are tiny ephemeral and worthless, save insofar as .they are food.
@@lizicadumitru9683 By reference to what definition of relevance to you make that bare assertion which cannot amount to reasoned argument? Presumably you advance no reasoned argument for want of the wits to mount one, in which case you are wasting my time. Seeimingly Lizica Dumitru is the relevant string to go into the google auto-delete box that you may no further waste the time of your betters.
"To appreciate Time is to touch the texture of reality." Hummmm. One cannot say this until 'Reality' is defined. It has become a defacto std. that ~ reality~ is what one sees in the environment, the world, the cosmos. I think I'd call it a bit differently. I'd say Absolute Reality is that which is unchanging, without break or pause, seamless would be the term I'd use. If I subscribe to that definition ( of which could also be honed a bit more) , wherever I look I see change. Constant change , transformation, peturbances; this could go by the term 'relative' reality. Science measures this ( relative reality) in frequencies, oscillations, cycles of movement, mass, quanta , galaxies moving every where. Earth ( and therefore you) is never-ever in the same place twice within the vastness of space. Where then is the 'firmness ' of an unchanging Reality vs. a casual / relative reality ? Again, based upon on the definition I offered ( Which is anchored in the knowledge offered in the veda's, upanishads. agama's , etc. ); this has been my orientation. My intent is not to convince or cajole anyone into this view, but perhaps offer a different window to look out of when viewing the landscape of epistemology .
I Hope he meant with reality not what we see though what our largest telescopes and best calculations mean. This would Be really imperfect but still better.
I suppose time is just a relative amount of change. F.e. If You want to visit the 1800s You theoretically just have to rearrange the atoms how they were Back then. And If quantum particles can tuunel in space and take multiple paths at once they can also appear to or actually influence their past selfes about whom dont know too much since they were entangled before
So, that means we can travel through our own consciousness; since consciousness does not end at the death of the physical body; thus we can travel back in time.
"No matter where you go there you are." This episode makes me think of a time elapsed camera aimed at one spot. Upon review, in fast motion, you see the change, things decaying & becoming, etc, yet time isn't going anywhere. It remains the same; the sun shines then it doesn't... it rains... then it stops...etc. The snapshot of our lives does not remain still - it is simply in a constant state of change -the cause of experience. And while John Polkinghorne suggests that "God doesn't know our future"; I believe God must know "cause & effect" because HE created everything. Still so much more to learn about time though. Great video. Closer to Truth is such an epic program.
The time flow is actually 299 792 458 m / s... This is also the max speed of the universe, the light speed.... Matter cause distortion on space/time fabric and slow down time.... If you could travel at light speed.... Time would stand still.... Time is real, just like me and you.
Given that the Universe is in constant change, based on our intuitive and experiential abilities, it is a short logical step to accepting that different elements of the Universe change at different speeds. It is not irrational or logically incorrect to use speed as a concept even though it implies a certain idea of time and distance which are part of this discussion. It is a sort of picking oneself up by one's bootstraps situation. It seems impossible; but that is what we are facing when we are born. We get on to the journey of life at some point in time and space, and have to choose points to describe where we fit in. Consider time here as a simple measure that our minds can handle of the amount of time that must pass for a specific change to take place, for a phenomenon to be different from one case to another case of our choosing. If one connects two different states by time, say state A and state B, we have the ability to measure by experience the distance in time that must be covered for state A to be no longer in existence to where state B is in existence. This is done regardless of whether there is any change at all, and also when a change is successfully effected. This involves a modeling within our minds that does not need to consider directionality of time. I am only considering the number of time units that must pass for the difference in state to be effected. Seen thus, it is possible for us to consider that the relationship between forward and backward in time is identical. If we move on to consider time as a medium of movement, directionality and irreversibility must be considered. It works as an exercise in observation and useful understanding for our purposes as sentient beings; but experience, analysis, and prediction tell us that there is a directional relationship between the units of time in the medium of time. At the subatomic level, the point where uncertainty and difficulty of measurement become major problems, the question of change in time is not necessarily one of direction through time. At higher levels, more complex levels of entities or any phenomena occur. The joining together of different models of states of change demonstrates a directionality which is no longer independent of direction in time. The basic fabric of the Universe that we can experience exists in a bandwidth that is compatible with our existence. This fabric underlies everything at a greater bandwidth, the bandwidth of possibility and reality, areas that we only have access to in the specific attention that we can devote to focus on them. The question of whether the entire bandwidth of reality could ever be conceptualized in our minds is one area that would require much attention. One example would be the cosmic particles and waves and forces that pass easily through us without disturbing our structure or our ability to exist. In a practical sense, they are out of our narrow bandwidth. One aspect of human existence which includes all that we do and create and experience is the concept of being able to effect change only within limited time and space constraints, and probably more than that. The farther forward in time and away in space that we attempt to effect change, the less will be our ability to achieve success. So the immediate surroundings that we must deal with are most likely in our power to make change or create difference. I sit in my own living room where I have books and furniture and other objects, I can pick up a book or get up and walk across the room, or leave the area. I have great latitude to do things within these confines. Picking up a book on another continent could eventually be done; but that would require many changes. A cosmic wave passing through the room would not be within my ability to change. It is of the wrong size and speed. Conditions far from my ability to effect change can, on the other hand, exert change on me and my immediate environment. The mind can model far beyond its ability to affect. As long as the fabric of the Universe that is compatible with our existence has a relatively consistent set of rules regarding everything that we find to be understandable here, we can create and discover toward a model of what exists in far off places. When the rules change, I think it is fair to say that we have reached Wittgenstein's limit.
Thank you for this challenging video on time, following up on your previous video “Time at Sea.” My view on time is that it is “real” within our space-time matrix. The specialness of now, the sense of flow or passage of time, the directional arrow of time - all can be explained by entropy, the Second Law of TD, special and general relativity. Of course, “real” is different from fundamental or primordial. Time may just be a mental construction for us to live our lives and measure change in our local universe. “What is Time?” will depend in my view on the solution to the “problem of time” in physics. Relativity says time is malleable and relative. QM says time is eternal and absolute. One possible solution is the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, mentioned by Hugh Price. It suggests that time is relative within our local universe. But to the external observer on the outside, time does not exist - suggesting that it is itself temporal and only parochial and not fundamental to final reality. Thanks again for your video. Quotes: “Does anybody really know what time it is (I don't) Does anybody really care (care about time) If so I can't imagine why (no, no) We've all got time enough to die.” Chicago Transit Authority, 1969 (song) “If I could save time in a bottle The first thing that I'd like to do Is to save every day 'Til eternity passes away.” Jim Croce, 1973 (song)
Clocks, are not a "measurement" of time. Clocks, are a fictional measurement, and an obfuscation of time. Paradoxically, Fictional Clock Time, is in discord with time.
Everything that will happen has already happened, we are just experiencing it...just kidding, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, sure sounds nice on a T shirt though, imagine the minds blown of all the pot heads that read it.
You would be shocked if you knew how many astronomers & physicists that smoke weed. However, when dealing with serious concepts such as ultimate reality, you don't need to be stoned to have your mind blown.
You don't know how true you are, the jury is out.. at the last check they are not coming back. Any ideas we have about "ultimate reality" are by nature ideas then so limitations. To understand the nature of time is to understand our own nature.
Time is a construct by which probabilities can be imagined and from which a casual series involving a process can be imagined. NOTHING MORE; NOTHING LESS.
“No time left for you on My way to better things Found my self sone wings Distant shores are calling you You gave and take and gave And take “ The guess who
you know why most physics don't care in which direction time flows? it's because time isn't really a thing. it was something we created to help keep track of things like seasons so we could know about when to expect things to happen.
It's so clear to me the time has no existence we have created as a tool to measure movement and decaying of things.. thinking that time is a universal law or a property in this universe. it's laughable.. time it's only a measuring tool that we have created
we purely as humans try to explain and the understand what is present so what is time is a interesting question it's just is what it is but why? We need stop saying why and see it what it isvbut that's easier said then done lol
@@HavocLoods Time is only a concept we came up with to measure movement of everything and relations of changes caused by that movement. And we measure that movement and those changes with our mechanical devices we built called clocks. It's nothing more, nothing less. It's a very simple thing to understand.
Here is what puzzles me about present time and how Time “flows”. What is so special that I’m sensing present time right now? Is it like I’m alive and flowing on a Big Bang wave that is heading into the future with everybody else around me riding on it and experiencing? But what about before I was even born?; “present time” was still there and existed for everyone else prior. A person from the 1970s for example was in the “present time” the same way as I am now writing this. It makes me want to think that time does not “flow” but everything that will happen is already written and the people who are alive right now are just experiencing it which in turn is relative to each person. Are we riding in the Big Bang wave of time? I’m not sure about that since time is distorted with gravitational forces everywhere in the universe and where there’s a lot of gravitational force time can distort. What about planets or objects that are really close to a black hole of which distorts the fabric of spacetime? Probably for them, we are in the year 5061 while for us, we’re still in the year 2020. The notion of time as well as consciousness is very confusing and hard to grasp from many point of views.
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This is Episode 2 of Season 11, first aired on PBS stations in 2013.
I love this show.. so rare these days.
It is.....people want frivolous nonsense in their lives these days.....lots of morons walking the earth. It's amazing to watch.....ordinary society is like watching an old animal documentary to me sometimes. It's sad actually.....but what can you do? They'll send you to prison for eliminating the slow gazelles.
fliberty floo. kids these days. it used to be.... we never should have come out of the caves.
@@redriver6541 This video is frivolous nonsense though
It is properly good!
@@ChristopherBriggs1968 I lived in the last of the "cave caves"... All that came after me lived in luxury, cave or no cave 😂😂😂😂😂
"Time is the moving image of eternity"-Plato
what exactly does that mean? if its moving does that imply that its flowing through time?
I think it means everything is constantly moving in a “eternal soup” with no beginnings or ends
@@mantoniol24 When Plato speaks of "eternity" here he is speaking of time as a dimension, like space. We could say space runs up and down, right and left endlessly, no? Just so with "eternity" -- time as a dimension extends forwards and backwards, endlessly.
In the quote, when he speaks of "time" he is talking about "passing-time"; the sort of time that we experience as entities living in this materialistic sense-bound world. The illusion of "passing-time" is created because all we can experience with our materialistic senses is a present moment (a cross-section of the temporal dimension), constantly moving into the next. Hence, "moving image."
Plato thought that everything existing in our material world are copies of a "true form" or idea which exists outside of space & time. These ideas are timeless, eternal. As they pass through the materialistic world, they "become" in passing-time. However we cannot grasp the eternal form with our physical senses - we can only grasp the moving image, which appears to us as growth and becoming.
@@dannyt4663 I can only say WOW! Amazing explanation! Thank you.
"There was a young man called Bright who could travel faster than light. He set off one day, in a relative way, and returned the previous night". I'm off for a lie-down!
"There was a woman named Jill
who swallowed an exploding pill.
They found her vagina
In North Carolina
And her tits in a tree in Brazil."
you a poet and don't even know it, so try not to blow it
@@charlesmcmillion5118 Contraceptive pills destroy more subtly.
I agree with the man who said time goes in both directions at the same time.
In think time has something to do with the speed of light.
Children today are so lucky! All these great science programs they can explore just a click away. So I guess it’s possible to actually get clever using these shows
It's time then that we saw some evidence of their knowledge? We can wait for their great wisdom, if or when that arrives.
You have to get them to watch them first. Good luck with that.
I find a lot young people who actually see science shows. But maybe their parents could do an effort to help them! I don’t know, I think you will see it in a statistic some years ahead?
You can learn as much from these programs as you would sitting in a classroom. One advantage is that you
can rewatch all, or part, to better understand. The disadvantage is that you can’t ask questions.
@@buddyrichable1 You can only learn so much from a video or a book, you have to have hands on and a mentor to have a discourse with.
The host of this channel has the best job on earth. And does it so well.
I love this series SO much!
The best part of it is that Kuhn is respectful of a wide variety of opinions while being sharp enough to hold the feet of those espousing the opinions to the fire. So much of what we can say authoritatively about a subject like time really resolves into vagueness not unlike the "waveform" of Quantum Mechanics. There is an idea. It has a mathematical expression. But that is all but untranslatable into human experience.
It is not very difficult if one keeps one's head focused. The first guy interviewed is obviously onto something, and very much influenced by Bertrand Russell's words from 1959 (short version; "don't assume based on trends, your feelings or desires". I wish more scholars would obey that advice, most don't at all). He doesn't get to finish however ,or doesn't want. The reason why there is no linear causation is that there is relativity. Yes, at all scales. There is only dynamic intercausation. The guy at 7'20 doesn't so much know what he is talking about except from mostly in the start, and feels like he wants to be nice to Newton by mentioning him. A bit of a cliché. Let's play the rest and see how much worse it can get :) :)
Khun is a worthless dreamer and no more than a pourer from the empty into the void; you only have to tread on his corns to discover what a mouse(nothing and nobody) he is, but that is true of all men(human beings).
Before you seek to defend the worthless dreamer, look up the tu quoque fallacy. Would you say that it is a fallacy of relevance like the ad populum fallacy?
@@vhawk1951kl
Kuhn is hardly susceptible to your assertion. He seem almost uniquely open to the range of ideas of many people. By contrast, you appear intent on closing our minds to his contributions before they, and the many other peoples' ideas he lifts up, can be considered.
Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for "you also") is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest use of the term in the English language.[1] "Whataboutism" is one particularly well known modern instance of this technique
As a Scientologist, I believe that time is a construct of what L Ron Hubbard started in his award winning book "Dianetics" which is also a BESTSELLER!
Kuhn’s favorite word has to be “fundamental”.
Indeed. He is on the quest for answers to fundamental questions
@@vladoh2011 How's that quest going? Any answers yet?
I think it's "the".
@@jackshadow325 He found out that time an time stops for no man.
Robert Lawrence "Fundamental" Kuhn
This is my third episode to watch and it seems he never gets closer to the truth.
"You never bathe twice in the same river"...... I absolutely love that. That's beautiful.
Heraclitus: "No man ever steps twice in the same river, for it's not the same river and he is not the same man."
@@treybutler2398 change is the fundamental thing
not true. why waste the water. i say bathe twice in the same water
Amazing to watch - Thank you Mr. Kuhn for making this fantastic series of videos - You really are a star !
This may simultaneously be your most challenging subject matter episode - and your finest to date. Kudos. More please!
The show is called Closer To Truth but every episode is about some unanswerable questions and ends on "heck if I know".
Maybe that is the truth's itself. The fact that we can't know.
Honestly I’d rather to not have a clear conclusion than to believe something false,which is what I believe most of humanity does/has done anyway. We turn to things like religion and other fantasies when we don’t know the truth or have answers and that’s the key…there are things that we will just never know or understand.
Show should be called: Robert Kuhn-Skeptic Master
...a great way to start.
Just asking questions based in what is currently known, but consist of seemingly inconceivable answers is CTT
I am a bit surprised that nobody brought up entropy. Seems like it might be important. 🤷🏼♀️
Absolutely! I was wondering that too...entropy => motion => time....time as we see it is an outcome....
But isn't saying how an increase of entropy explains the direction of time kind of circular?
The word "increase" is a *temporal* word, implying a rising trend from a past and to a future. In other words, you can't really explain time by using time itself in your definition.
First Law of Thermodynamics: You can't win.
Second Law of Thermodynamics: You can't break even.
Third Law of Thermodynamics: You can't stop playing.
One of these gotta work!
Nature is not about entropy chaotic dust and rocks form round planets, life is from chaotic to non chaotic systematic
@@kasumiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin thats why entropy defines (supposedly) the direction of time. And not time itself. That's a difference
I like the way Mr. Kuhn says, "I go to Cambridge, LA etc to pose this question..."
Reverting to the title " what is time" something you can create something beautiful with or learn from 💙💫🙏
To be more accurate, time is fundamental to human minds.
I think that's the whole difficulty in thinking of it in novel ways.
Yes. We hit a brain barrier. There's certain parts of our reality that are simply beyond our ability to conceptualize. No matter how easily understood we created an airplanes control panel an orangutan would hardly attempt to land an airplane.
Time is our mental experience of observing and processing changes in our observed reality.
Where is then A.I. kicks in...
@@tertiuswehmeyer7817 unfortunately that explanation does nothing to explain why changes occur, why is the universe not unchanging?
What is the fundamental cause and process of change?
Then you'll be getting to a better explanation
@@williamesselman3102 To think we are unable to do so is rather selfish. We have escaped our limits many times in the past, what makes you think our generation is the pinicle of understanding our reality?
I am so grateful for this series.
Magnificent production values from the beautiful settings, to the wonderful narration by Mr Kuhn.
It offers an introduction to some of the most brilliant minds in science today.
I have learned so much by watching closer to the truth. Mr Kuhn attempts to find answers to many unknowns that we all have probably thought and wondered about.
As part of a project I have taken on, I had to unscramble this very question. To my astonishment one fact was made crystal clear. People, *especially scientists* are very *_confused_* about how they use the word "Time". Those trying to explain a nature , feature or characteristic of Time have actually weaved in and out of different understandings of the word, most often without even recognizing their segue.This I realize, has had a crippling effect on the pedagogy of the subject.
I have since recognized 14 different definitions, meanings or uses of the word 'time'.
Just some food for thought.
mudvalve Brilliant, thanks for the link. She gave him just the respect he deserved.hilarious.
How true. I think (naively, I imagine) that many people confuse time way too much. Time (to my mind) is like distance. It's just a measurement. So the question is, what does it measure? Whereas distance is a measure of how far apart two objects are in space, time is a measure of change within that space. Distance describes where "things" are relative to other "things". Time describes how things change. They actually describe our reality. Without distance no matter could exist and without time no change would occur (isn't that the basis of our reality?)
@@Unshou i think the basis of reality is a wave because it is either one thing or it is nothing....1 or 0...matter or antimatter. It is binary.
So why does physics lead to two states for any given particle? Because the state of that particle is rendered only as quickly as the processing capacity of the universal wave function. Every point in space has to be calculated at every moment of time. It is not random. It os executing code to show a value in the position. Time is that rendering frequency. And it is relative because the engine renders at different frequncy depending on how much information is concentrated in the area. Information being matter and its history of what has happened to it previously.
@@cecilmcintosh864 Yep - that's what I was trying to say - you just said it better. Where I say "Distance" I should have said "Position" - which is the wave function (position and time) I believe you're talking about.
@@Unshou Yes, and you may not agree with this but even more so i am saying the matrices of higher dimension is really that at these positions there is an unknown number of representations of 0 and 1 in a particular sequence which is a form of information of what is happening at that position. So if you could stop time entirely you would see a 1 or 0, but it is not random. You cannot prove that it isn't random, because if you look at the 1s and 0s generated for a simple line of code it appears to be random, and stretches very far. Imagine the code behind all our principles of reality. So you have an engine rendering the commands, and consciousness is the processor of those commands. We experience reality as an interpretation of those commands. That is what i believe causes mass effect. It is the lag on the processing of information at these positions due to matter.
So how much time passes at a single point in space while all these 1 and 0s are being rendered in sequence, that is the real tick speed. Every simulation has a tick speed, and we will likely never know it. That is what time is in my opinion, the actual time between each 1 and 0, and i don't believe it can be known from within the simulation. Nor do i believe it is real. Just like numbers it is infinitely relative. The number of positions in the universe is not real either. I say not real, because it is not finite. Not tangible. It is being procedurally generated on an exponential scale which is why we think there was a big bang. There was never a big bang as an explosion due to heat, but it was a big bang of procedurally generated space, and the principles applied to that space made it so that a finite amount of matter would exist and become what it has become. That is why matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
This is a good channel. I don't come here for answers but just to ponder those big questions with learned people who have garnered particular insights.
Yesss! That’s a good description of my perspective as well!
The present holds a special place in the Universe. It is the edge of the Universe. Every where else we look is the past.
The edge of the universe is the Big Bang, it is the beginning of time. When we look out into space the further we look the older it is. The microwave background radiation comes from 300,000 after the Big Bang, and that's as far as we can see using light.
But if the Universe is expanding. What is it expanding into?
The future.
Sometimes I feel as though the Universe sneaks in front of me.
Best show. Don't ever stop. ❤
Love the process of the human brain evolving in a lifetime gaining wisdom, insight, expanding it's understanding of life. Realizing things that only time could provide. To the mind time is a sort of vehicle that slowly changes perspective.
I have this playing in the background while I cook dinner.
My self-conversation was, "Basil...Check. Oregano...Check. Thyme...uh-oh. I'm not sure that I even know what it is anymore!
I always thought of time as the measure of change. The fact that quantum physics doesn't make a distinction between present and past, I'm not sure how relevant that is to the macro experience of time. Just as physics doesn't support the idea that matter is solid but rather the product of charges and nuclear forces, you best move is to get out of the way of a runaway truck rather than take a chance that it's charges or atoms will pass through you. In other words, I think that when people get too wrapped up in abstractions, they lose sight of practical outcomes or realities. The past may be fixed and have bearing on the future, but we can't change the past even if at the quantum level it's not different from the present or future. You can't make choices in the present that will change the past but you can make choices in the present that will change the future. I don't think that this is subjective. If it isn't true, then all choice is meaningless since the future is predetermined.
I like your idea...I do think there are things that you can change or that can change with a some equation removed or added. I think their are also things set in motion that can not be changed. Giving a false sense of reality almost that we have the power to change the future when really its the lack of understanding of reality and how it actually functions over time. Take someone being in the right place at the right time or visa versa. How do you know what actions to take to change ge your fortune. It almost seems inevitable if you are suppose to be at work at 8am at a specific location and tragedy strikes. Creating a pre destined future you might say?
“Physics doesn’t support the idea of matter as a solid”? Yes it does. What are you talking about.? The reason you don’t fall through a chair when you sit is because the negatively charged electrons on the outer shell of the stone of the chair material repel the negatively charged electrons on the outer shell of the atoms that make your body.
@@chrismathis4162 That is what I'm referring to. The actual mass of atoms is very tiny and would not by itself prevent matter from passing through other matter. It isn't their density or mass that gives them a physically solid appearance or behavior that we experience in the macro world, but rather energy and charge. The actual physical part of matter isn't enough to prevent one piece of matter from passing through another, it's the charges that repel each other. In terms of physical stuff, we're more not here than here. Matter is a form of energy.
"time as the measure of change," or a description of a description of a description..
Words about words; the specialite de la maison Khun. Pouring from the empty into the void.
@@vhawk1951kl That is the nature of all definitions. We use words to define other words. Occasionally, if the concept is very simple, a picture might suffice. How would you define time without using words? Yes, words have their limits and some things can only be approximated by language, but words and language are still very useful and powerful in defining, describing, or explaining existence. If I asked you to meet me at the corner of Sixth and Bryant and 10 AM, you wouldn't have to wax philosophical about it, you'd know what I meant.
The perception of time is hardwired into all of us. We all perceive its passage as we get older and witness change and are aware of how "long" it takes to achieve certain things. According to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, time slows down as we approach the speed of light. The person traveling this speed would not perceive this. Five years would still feel like five years. Yet if they returned to earth, their friends and relatives would have aged sixty years or so. The first person perspective for both parties would be the same, only their differences in age "or rate of change" would be evident when you met again. I'm trying to reduce the meaning of time to its essence and how it is perceived or functions in our lives. The rate of change is the closest thing I can think of. A thrown baseball is "faster" than an old man crossing the street. The rate of change is the distance covered divided by the time taken to do this. The age we die at is the number of trips earth has made round the sun from the time we were born to the time we checked out. It's a frame of reference that is very useful and yet still an abstraction like math itself.
Such a well done video. I don’t think that I understood time, but is an interesting concept.
I love listening to these people who speak like musicians.
My simple mind only sees time as a second way to measure the space between two events.
I like the idea of it being measurable both ways when quantum mechanics is considered.
The double split experiment seems to show that a futur event affects the present and that’s probably an example of where it applies.
Much to learn with these videos. Thank you.
1 Why is everyone here talking like they are slaves in North Korea at a forced celebration of pictures of the dictator family? The "I am sorry for existing" tone.
Yes, science docus are (obviously) better than average prime time rubbish entertainment (although they occasionally float together).
Skip the melodrama ..
2 Yes time is the (only) second measurement of motion, like you call it. Second because all matter is always in motion. What we measure is not time itself. Time is the measurement of relative motions. That is it.
Can we merge time and space? Well yes, by the simple fact that time is only measured in space (the background of the passing of events/interactions).
3 After 3 somewhat grown-up people interviewed we come to the hyperactive postmodernist at 16'48. They always want to appear everywhere now.
Some call them flat-earthers. I guess that is too gentle.
The guy starts out by saying that "classical physics" treat nature as determined.
Well... Not really. Is he talking about the renaissance and confuse it with the late information age or the science of the industrial revolution?
Anyway : That we obviously can't predict all events of the future is due to the obvious fact that Cosmos is crammed with events at huge and tiny scales, involving f ex relativistic motions.
That doesn't mean that you can arrange a nothingness into boxes of probability and talk as if nature stops in each box and makes "freedom" decisions.
These "quantum mechanics" priests tend to not understand the very basics of the meaning of the word mechanics, which is just another word for dynamics.
(Btw I forgot to mention a comment on the last thing you wrote.
That a "future event" is affecting the present is a totally meaningless idea.
It is what the old greeks called pareidolia. Why that idea is not plausible you have roughly well explained already in the total of the 3 first guys interviewed.
I am not very surprised however when these kinds of mysticist speculations are hiding behind the "double slit experiment".
An "experiment" where we can find the world record in a diarrhea of nonsensical superstitious garble being postulated or launched as "interpretations".
(No, a wave pattern does not mean that the photons are illusions. The wave pattern can not possibly occur as such without particle mechanics operating in certain ways providing the outcome called a wave)
One of the only shows from MSM that I still watch.
Time and space are real but intangible. Our minds construct a model that help us to make sense of these. Our model of space helps us to explain things like position, size and distance. Our model of time helps us to explain things like change, motion and causality. For now, I believe it is impossible to say "what is" time or space without these mental constructs.
This comment is gold. Should be framed on wall
You are very right... it could be said that there is only the Real which is what many scientists don't get (yet).
God I love this subject!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!
Ad started 30 seconds in so we are closer to truth now.
That last talk was beautiful
I just had a thought- Perhaps the present is a timeless stationary point which we experience as the now and the future flows to us from one point then flows out the other end giving us the illusion of time flowing, like sitting in a stationary train whist the train next to you is moving making you feel like you're the one that's moving.
Absolutely outstanding Mr Robert! Congratulations again for the great job you are doing! Best regards
Thankyou so much , so many esteemed people . For me time = matter over space as without matter time doesn't exist.
I could listen to Julian Barbour all day!
As Immanuel Kant said, time is the inner mode of perception built into us humans. And space is the outer mode of perception, also built into us. Both of them define our reality.
“Time” is a human construct. All we have is the present and changes of position in space.
♫ Does any body really know what time it is? Does any body really care ? ♫ - - Chicago
@@frank1803 Humans are their own worse enemy sometimes, due to the impulsive ways they try to deal with something, that makes them feel like they have less control than originally thought. Time, when looked at, for it's straightforward purpose, how we can use it on a day to day basis, then it an indicator for the moment you are presently occupying within a 24 hour period. But when someone starts describing it as an the silent control freak, or the invisible governor (as you need to give your time in order to read what time it is, which then prompts a thought of something that needs doing now or soon. Other get freaked out through the lack of understanding when it said to be the 4th dimension which most people can't get their head around even with a visual explanation, but the calming, and reassuring word people gravitate to is time being an illusion. This program is clearly adding to the confusion, B
But there is only 1 definition. TIME is nothing more, and nothing less, than The period of rotation of a spin rate. To try and construct new way of expressing it with theatrical physics leading to a network of paradoxical rabbit holes, will definitely do something, but it doesn't change that everything from the the mass-less photon to the biggest planetary body to a super massive Black Hole, every atom, particle and magnetic field, to rotating charge, tornado and hurricanes. Even every wave in propagation, is just a 2 Dimension representation of a 3 Dimensional spiral. And everything is spinning toward something, that something is plank length, or it dielectric omega. golden ratio is present in all, which makes everything, macro to micro in and out, all interconnected interlocking rates of spin. The gears, and cogs, that keeps everything ticking like clockwork, and it's what no one even thinks or talks about any more.... CAUSATION... discarded because, simply describing the visible effect in front of their eyes is favored. The world is perpetually churning out eye candy for everyone and forgotten it's true importance when attempting to understand anything, when the cause is not even considered, less that half is actually understood, This is the direct reason why the advancements and breakthroughs in physics, science basically don't exist, well anything worthy of telling the world. All because around 75 years ago the world of civil engineering was snowballing with people inventing patents idea, it was happening too fast apparently, so they went to the CAUSE, and tore it apart, and remain that way to day, engineers were Scientists, Chemists, Biologists, Mathematicians Physicists, Machine operators, and 1 idea could incorporated all these skills, and all brought together with the bonding glue, of PHILOSOPHY a trait people seemed born with and was the way CAUSATION was the final UNIFICATION!!
But its more than just "positions in space"... there are reactions that are irreversible which only make sense in 1 direction
You can't define "change" without reference to the flow of time.
TrippyDude I think you are confusing life cycle with time.
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The reason why we need (to perceive) Time is the result of that we have a memory and we are not immortal
interesting
It’s about time I watched this.
TIME IS THE MEASUREMENT OF MOVEMENT THAT MAKES DAYS AND YEARS
Time is...............
a spatial dimension.
Much love!
Nice video. Philochrony is the theory that describes the nature of time and demonstrates its existence. Time is magnitive: objective, Imperceptible (intervals) and measurable (duration).
Time is a concept only.
All temporal paradoxes evaporate with that realization.
Realization is illusive after a lifetime of believing time to be something in the universe.
Time is a storm in which we are all lost. William Carlos Williams
Best video on time! At long last, I can concretely apply this to my real-life knowledge.
Kant proved centuries ago that time is not a fundamental aspect of the universe but rather a fundamental aspect of the way humans perceive the universe
Except, instead of "perceive the universe",
I'd say, "synthesize the universe (within)".
Time is just there to keep everything from happening all at once
Nothing happend instantly, it required energy and se expirience it as time..it flows independent of us, and interract with other forces in nature..even light requires time to travel some distance and space itself expand becouse of time, or it would expanded already as you say that all can happend at once. We use radiation to mesure time,not invented some ilusionary values
Time is entropy
They Said ,,you cant predict future, but you can always predict time , regardless of other fundamental forces Like gravity and other to...space is not infinite so time is real Like entropy
We exist becouse of time..distorsion of space causing delay in anhilation of all matter and antimatter particles
Deep
Time is just there to make you believe in the aging process, everything else is just visual and memories
Time is a manmade concept used to attempt to prove our existence
Time IS a construct but not made by man. And ppl age because the skin never stops growing and bones & skull shrink by design in this reality. You can slow aging down a bit by your intention and stepping out of herd mentality/ programing.
Recently I was running late (thanks to a rainstorm and sluggish traffic) for a dinner meeting with a friend. When I finally arrived and approached the table where he was already seated, he remarked, "Well, it's about time! That got my head spinning, and later on that night (after I'd returned home), the comment took on a Machiavellian persona, so to speak.
What exactly is it “about time” that is so fascinating to us? We talk about having the time of our lives, about running out of time, about how fast (or slowly) time passes, about time getting away from us, about where did the time go, and the real kicker-how we spend our time-as if it’s some kind of commodity to be bought and sold. In fact, sometimes it’s impossible to talk about time without using time words like timely, timeless, time to go, time on our hands, and taking time out. That last one is one of my favorites because I often wonder where exactly that “out” is that I should take the time.
The reality is that, prior to that night, I’d never really given any thought to the expression “it’s about time, ” and it gave rise to a whole chain of thought for me. What does it really mean, for example, to “spend” time? We spend money. Is it like that? When we spend money, we can do that because we got it from somewhere else (usually our work or in payment for some service we’ve performed), and we either bank it for future use or (and I would suggest this is the more common behavior) use it to purchase something we suddenly decide we really must have. Then we hand over that money, giving it to the store, business, restaurant, theater, church, or sporting event we’ve decided to spend it at. And (I would again suggest) we never see that particular money again. (At least I don’t keep a list of the serial numbers of every item of currency I’ve ever had and then check any of the new currency I get against that list to see if I’ve gotten it again. Sorry, but I have more important things to “spend my time” on than that!)
So is it the same with time? If we truly do “spend” time doing this or that, what happens to it after we’ve spent it? Does it go into some ethereal “bank” and get stored up? Does it simply disappear into some unknown void? Or does it become available for someone else to use at some point in the future?
Curious thing about time, too. We often think of it as totally linear with the seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, and years going by like beads on a necklace. But maybe it’s not always so. Perhaps “our” particular time sometimes bends back upon itself. I mean, have you ever had that feeling of being in a place you just “know” you’ve been to before-a feeling known as déjà vu-or have a dream that seems so real that you’re sure you’ve just lived whatever occurred in it? Perhaps it intertwines with the time of other people, like the guy you passed on the street you’d never seen before-and aren't likely to see again-or the woman you spoke with while waiting in the line at the supermarket, talked about “kids these days,” and then left the store after you’d checked out, the likely result being that you’d never see her again. For just those moments in time your lives crossed, and your “times” merged.
The end result is that time remains one of life’s great mysteries. We all experience it, it frequently governs our lives and decides when we need to do (or should do) certain activities or be at certain locations, it comes and goes with no effort on our part, and yet none of us truly understands it. We all have time to live (some more and some less), but when our “time is up,” then we experience what we so blithely call death. What happens then? Does time truly end for us-or do we, as many believe, enter into another “time” that is somehow different (or as some profess-eternal)? And what happens to all the time that we have now passed? Or, perhaps, more to the question, where does the time come from that we call the future?
Excerpted from my copyrighted book "Up into the Beyond" (on Amazon).
What is time? Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Most comments are hilarious. "A: I just had an awesome idea. Suppose time is not real. B: OKAY. What would that imply? A: I dunno"
time is the measures WE INVENT to describe DURATION. The DURATIONS exist beyond the mind, while time is what we invent to understand DURATIONS.
@@ReligionlessFAITH the duration of my reading this comment was about the same as replying to it
@@ReligionlessFAITH orrrr time is a ham sandwich and i dunno why
@@jampoles lol - you just replaced seconds minutes hours days weeks months and years with the reading of and replying to a comment.
@@ReligionlessFAITH I'll take my time I'm very slow anyway
Time is what passes when you watch lots of videos about it, and learn nothing.
Nothing? Time will tell :-)
The brain is continuously gathering all informations, configuring and composing all details to the topic to complete a reasonable picture. It takes time for realisation of the informations. The conscious mind takes over, that's the "click" effect, I got it. It's not a waste of time, it's the evolving phase within time.
Like a baby, when it finally realizes what it's seeing.
You have forgotten it's partially about perception and elapse of something measureable. To put tangeabilty to this qauntifiable passage
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There is no time. Just one moment being different.
That is time. 2 moments that are exactly the same in all respects are only separate moments linguistically. They are the same moment. Time is change.
I think you may be right. But the word "moment" may be misleading.
perhaps there is just us and what we see around us, in which you and other things are moving.
mm
a brief history of timelessness.
@Stefano Portoghesi You confuse abstract and concrete beings.
Speed is abstract,Are you able to see or touch it ?
Continuous moments of NOW.
Ya, we already have a word for that... time.
I think in this dimension, at least for a very long time, certainly beyond our current life spans, we humans are doomed to never know. That is what makes it so exciting to live. As there is so much to explore and uncover. Something humans have a penchant for.
Time is energy, the arrow of time is entropy
It is really much simpler than these experts think. First time is not a thing, not substance. Second time is only the measurement of motion. Since atoms are always in motion there is always time. The past is over. The future hasn’t happened yet and the present moment is all that exists, but it is infinitely small.
You must understand what is happening in the Mechanics of Einstein's Time Dilation work for starts to understand Time !
this man is straight up gangsta!!! what a god
Very interesting topics. RLK offers these wonderful programs that only serve the purpose of posing very smart questions that are basically unanswerable by any human being. To put it bluntly, we don't know shit about anything, however, it's entertaining to just listen what these 'luminaries' have to say about the rhetorical questions Robert asks. Never a dull moment watching Closer to Truth shows.
it was explained once that if a 2 dimensional being saw something in 3d it would be difficult to understand, so much so they may literally not see some of it. so is the same with time. a higher dimension than the 3rd, which we are. and so we only see time as forward movement, when in fact all of time exists all at once
Except time is not a dimension, it is a label for the sequence of events. The block universe is false, it violates quantum mechanics, the future does not exist.
or, perhaps the world is just as it appears to be and we habitually see and define all motion as being "forward".... ?
have you ever seen a cloud going backwards ?
does you bank card go backwards into an atm, then forwards out of it, or does it go forwards in and backwards out... or is it forwards each way :^?
mm
Time ? My cat does not have the time to think of such trivial matters. But I have to find time to feed the cat and find time to clean litter box.
What a simply profound and humorous comment...
Love it
Wow, this Julian Barbor fellow reminds me a tremendous amount of my general physics teacher from community College. They both talk about this universe of possibilities/potentials versus the actual, observable universe with regard to the relationships between these potentials and actualities.
Time feels like a recipe, more than an ingredient. It takes motion, dilation, space, dimension, and energy to exist. It almost seems like something which is made, which in turn, is what makes everything else.
There are indications that time could be infinity. Since time and space move in opposite directions, for example time slows to zero as space travel faster at speed of light; when space is zero, such as outside universe, time becomes infinite.
To the devil with words about words about words; how do I actually *e-x-p-e-r-i-e-n-c- e what-I-call "Time"?-What *exactly am I *experiencing* and how?
Suppose X and Y do not have watches or similar machines and agree to meet at the intersection of A street and B street. do they just both go there and hope to encounter one another?
Does time become infinite when space is at zero or does it cease to exist?
It is utterly futile for men (human beings to speak of infinite because they only last for such a short period of what they call time(although they have no more idea of what time might be than they have of what they are). Men speaking of infinity or eternity is like fish speaking about the niceties of bicycles. Men appear on a planet move about a bit chatter a lot and then are (for themselves) destroyed forever, and when they are not chattering or moving they are dreaming; they are tiny ephemeral and worthless, save insofar as .they are food.
@@vhawk1951kl Irrelevant...
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By reference to what definition of relevance to you make that bare assertion which cannot amount to reasoned argument? Presumably you advance no reasoned argument for want of the wits to mount one, in which case you are wasting my time.
Seeimingly Lizica Dumitru is the relevant string to go into the google auto-delete box that you may no further waste the time of your betters.
"To appreciate Time is to touch the texture of reality." Hummmm. One cannot say this until 'Reality' is defined. It has become a defacto std. that ~ reality~ is what one sees in the environment, the world, the cosmos.
I think I'd call it a bit differently. I'd say Absolute Reality is that which is unchanging, without break or pause, seamless would be the term I'd use. If I subscribe to that definition ( of which could also be honed a bit more) , wherever I look I see change. Constant change , transformation, peturbances; this could go by the term 'relative' reality.
Science measures this ( relative reality) in frequencies, oscillations, cycles of movement, mass, quanta , galaxies moving every where. Earth ( and therefore you) is never-ever in the same place twice within the vastness of space. Where then is the 'firmness ' of an unchanging Reality vs. a casual / relative reality ?
Again, based upon on the definition I offered ( Which is anchored in the knowledge offered in the veda's, upanishads. agama's , etc. ); this has been my orientation. My intent is not to convince or cajole anyone into this view, but perhaps offer a different window to look out of when viewing the landscape of epistemology
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Religion. What did you expect?
I Hope he meant with reality not what we see though what our largest telescopes and best calculations mean. This would Be really imperfect but still better.
The one reality is what we usually call god or essentiel substance
Bravo! Great show! I like the block universe, myself.
Existence is fundamental. Information is the MOST fundamental.
5:25 I had exactly that same expression at exactly that same time. Spooky.
Humans are good to create concepts and getting fooled by their concepts.
Time can only exist when there is a collective experience of time. What better way to waste time then to speak of the end of time.
time is a punishment for the living, i keep on waking up day after groundhog day
I suppose time is just a relative amount of change. F.e. If You want to visit the 1800s You theoretically just have to rearrange the atoms how they were Back then. And If quantum particles can tuunel in space and take multiple paths at once they can also appear to or actually influence their past selfes about whom dont know too much since they were entangled before
Unfortunately perfectly reversible reactions are not possible.
the universal speed of change i think. well... we're not pulled apart in all directions too soon & stuff like that.
Consciousness is the key to the experience of time. Time starts when you take birth in the human realms and time ends when you ceases
So, that means we can travel through our own consciousness; since consciousness does not end at the death of the physical body; thus we can travel back in time.
Only when your consciousness attained Supramundane via deep meditation. Otherwise , your mundane consciousness is still subject to Karmas
@@charliecheng3340 I believe I've been there in that the deepest state of meditation you're talking about
Believe I've actually been there
@@twinsoultarot473 then you know what is past, present and future. Good for you
"No matter where you go there you are." This episode makes me think of a time elapsed camera aimed at one spot. Upon review, in fast motion, you see the change, things decaying & becoming, etc, yet time isn't going anywhere. It remains the same; the sun shines then it doesn't... it rains... then it stops...etc. The snapshot of our lives does not remain still - it is simply in a constant state of change -the cause of experience. And while John Polkinghorne suggests that "God doesn't know our future"; I believe God must know "cause & effect" because HE created everything. Still so much more to learn about time though. Great video. Closer to Truth is such an epic program.
The creation IS the creator, it doesn't need a god.
@@j.dragon651 Yes.
And that is why 'reflection' is sometimes a synonym for 'thought'.
So, a deeply difficult notion kicked about with here. The vicar talking toward the end was the most incoherent, IMO.
@Stefano Portoghesi maybe he was interviewed at a wrong time?
well, in all fairness, he is a Christian. incoherence is a core tenet.
somethimes the sound efect is too loud to listen what their saying
Their sound technician does not have a supervisor...
I like the idea of the "time flow" sensation is nothing more than the rate and directionality of memory formation
The time flow is actually 299 792 458 m / s... This is also the max speed of the universe, the light speed.... Matter cause distortion on space/time fabric and slow down time.... If you could travel at light speed.... Time would stand still.... Time is real, just like me and you.
@@JACKBRAZILGB I think your experience of time is real, but that doesn't say anything about time being real.
Given that the Universe is in constant change, based on our intuitive and experiential abilities, it is a short logical step to accepting that different elements of the Universe change at different speeds. It is not irrational or logically incorrect to use speed as a concept even though it implies a certain idea of time and distance which are part of this discussion. It is a sort of picking oneself up by one's bootstraps situation. It seems impossible; but that is what we are facing when we are born. We get on to the journey of life at some point in time and space, and have to choose points to describe where we fit in. Consider time here as a simple measure that our minds can handle of the amount of time that must pass for a specific change to take place, for a phenomenon to be different from one case to another case of our choosing. If one connects two different states by time, say state A and state B, we have the ability to measure by experience the distance in time that must be covered for state A to be no longer in existence to where state B is in existence. This is done regardless of whether there is any change at all, and also when a change is successfully effected. This involves a modeling within our minds that does not need to consider directionality of time. I am only considering the number of time units that must pass for the difference in state to be effected. Seen thus, it is possible for us to consider that the relationship between forward and backward in time is identical. If we move on to consider time as a medium of movement, directionality and irreversibility must be considered. It works as an exercise in observation and useful understanding for our purposes as sentient beings; but experience, analysis, and prediction tell us that there is a directional relationship between the units of time in the medium of time. At the subatomic level, the point where uncertainty and difficulty of measurement become major problems, the question of change in time is not necessarily one of direction through time. At higher levels, more complex levels of entities or any phenomena occur. The joining together of different models of states of change demonstrates a directionality which is no longer independent of direction in time.
The basic fabric of the Universe that we can experience exists in a bandwidth that is compatible with our existence. This fabric underlies everything at a greater bandwidth, the bandwidth of possibility and reality, areas that we only have access to in the specific attention that we can devote to focus on them. The question of whether the entire bandwidth of reality could ever be conceptualized in our minds is one area that would require much attention. One example would be the cosmic particles and waves and forces that pass easily through us without disturbing our structure or our ability to exist. In a practical sense, they are out of our narrow bandwidth.
One aspect of human existence which includes all that we do and create and experience is the concept of being able to effect change only within limited time and space constraints, and probably more than that. The farther forward in time and away in space that we attempt to effect change, the less will be our ability to achieve success. So the immediate surroundings that we must deal with are most likely in our power to make change or create difference. I sit in my own living room where I have books and furniture and other objects, I can pick up a book or get up and walk across the room, or leave the area. I have great latitude to do things within these confines. Picking up a book on another continent could eventually be done; but that would require many changes. A cosmic wave passing through the room would not be within my ability to change. It is of the wrong size and speed. Conditions far from my ability to effect change can, on the other hand, exert change on me and my immediate environment. The mind can model far beyond its ability to affect. As long as the fabric of the Universe that is compatible with our existence has a relatively consistent set of rules regarding everything that we find to be understandable here, we can create and discover toward a model of what exists in far off places. When the rules change, I think it is fair to say that we have reached Wittgenstein's limit.
Time was invented
So that
Everything doesn’t
Happen all
At once.
True..... almost
At least give Einstein his credit....
WHAT IS TIME? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no mo'.
Art is unfolding. I love that…
Thank you for this challenging video on time, following up on your previous video “Time at Sea.”
My view on time is that it is “real” within our space-time matrix. The specialness of now, the sense of flow or passage of time, the directional arrow of time - all can be explained by entropy, the Second Law of TD, special and general relativity.
Of course, “real” is different from fundamental or primordial. Time may just be a mental construction for us to live our lives and measure change in our local universe.
“What is Time?” will depend in my view on the solution to the “problem of time” in physics. Relativity says time is malleable and relative. QM says time is eternal and absolute.
One possible solution is the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, mentioned by Hugh Price.
It suggests that time is relative within our local universe. But to the external observer on the outside, time does not exist - suggesting that it is itself temporal and only parochial and not fundamental to final reality.
Thanks again for your video.
Quotes:
“Does anybody really know what time it is (I don't)
Does anybody really care (care about time)
If so I can't imagine why (no, no)
We've all got time enough to die.”
Chicago Transit Authority, 1969 (song)
“If I could save time in a bottle
The first thing that I'd like to do
Is to save every day
'Til eternity passes away.”
Jim Croce, 1973 (song)
Is time just the expansion of the universe?
Clocks, are not a "measurement" of time. Clocks, are a fictional measurement, and an obfuscation of time. Paradoxically, Fictional Clock Time, is in discord with time.
Everything that will happen has already happened, we are just experiencing it...just kidding, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, sure sounds nice on a T shirt though, imagine the minds blown of all the pot heads that read it.
You would be shocked if you knew how many astronomers & physicists that smoke weed. However, when dealing with serious concepts such as ultimate reality, you don't need to be stoned to have your mind blown.
You don't know how true you are, the jury is out.. at the last check they are not coming back. Any ideas we have about "ultimate reality" are by nature ideas then so limitations. To understand the nature of time is to understand our own nature.
Time is a construct by which probabilities can be imagined and from which a casual series involving a process can be imagined. NOTHING MORE; NOTHING LESS.
“No time left for you on
My way to better things
Found my self sone wings
Distant shores are calling you
You gave and take and gave
And take “
The guess who
Time is something alive..😉
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Indeed, quite thought provoking....” time is elusive”
you know why most physics don't care in which direction time flows? it's because time isn't really a thing. it was something we created to help keep track of things like seasons so we could know about when to expect things to happen.
It's so clear to me the time has no existence we have created as a tool to measure movement and decaying of things.. thinking that time is a universal law or a property in this universe. it's laughable.. time it's only a measuring tool that we have created
yes, however extremely intuitive that its difficult to remain intellectual about it.
Why are things moving and decaying though and in one particular direction?
If time is only a measuring tool, what do you think it measures?
Minutes, seconds and the like are the human construction, but not time itself.
we purely as humans try to explain and the understand what is present so what is time is a interesting question it's just is what it is but why? We need stop saying why and see it what it isvbut that's easier said then done lol
@@HavocLoods Time is only a concept we came up with to measure movement of everything and relations of changes caused by that movement. And we measure that movement and those changes with our mechanical devices we built called clocks. It's nothing more, nothing less. It's a very simple thing to understand.
Time is that stuff you waste when you are watching Hillary Clinton on TV.
Or when reading inane comments like yours.
@@deanwilson8955 Or agreeing with him, while reading your jerky comment.
*Time is just a measurement within infinity. That’s just what it is.* 🙃💕
Very true. Why do people think it's real ?
In another words...
Time is just a measurement within existent itself!
Here is what puzzles me about present time and how Time “flows”.
What is so special that I’m sensing present time right now? Is it like I’m alive and flowing on a Big Bang wave that is heading into the future with everybody else around me riding on it and experiencing?
But what about before I was even born?; “present time” was still there and existed for everyone else prior. A person from the 1970s for example was in the “present time” the same way as I am now writing this. It makes me want to think that time does not “flow” but everything that will happen is already written and the people who are alive right now are just experiencing it which in turn is relative to each person.
Are we riding in the Big Bang wave of time? I’m not sure about that since time is distorted with gravitational forces everywhere in the universe and where there’s a lot of gravitational force time can distort. What about planets or objects that are really close to a black hole of which distorts the fabric of spacetime? Probably for them, we are in the year 5061 while for us, we’re still in the year 2020.
The notion of time as well as consciousness is very confusing and hard to grasp from many point of views.