I wouldn't be surprised if Lisa leaves! YG still hasn't updated her album sales since february! Every month her album sales on Gaon chart is '0' while the other members solo album sales gets updated every month! They scammed her once, I wouldn't be surprise if they are doing her dirty again!
I know! 😔 I talked about that in my Lisa Deep Dive video. It makes no sense as to why her album sales aren’t being updated. I hope that gets fixed ASAP because it’s really not ok to do to her. :(
The idea of Lisa leaving is just crazy and it sounds very akgae. YG and their producer Teddy just gave her an unpredecent MTV award. You want song sale numbers for what, are you an YG share holder? Or you just want it to boast over the other members... which happens to be another akgae thing. The truth is she's not worried about it at all, it's just you. The pinks just want people to enjoy their songs.
@@gamblerfls you don't rise by bringing others down...it makes no sense for everyone else's songs to be updated and not hers. If they really wanted to make it about no girl standing out above the other, they'd stop tracking the sales of all their solo songs
@@zigwai319 the fact the numbers aren't public doesn't mean Lisa isn't being updated about them. And to her it matters very little really. All songs belong to YG.
BTS has 200 songs? And I only remember 4 songs. 🤣 While BP' songs are infectious and I can still remember every song they release since 2016. And I'm not even a blinky blink. Don't like their fandom. Just the music.
@@cl7910 ohh that's because you don't listen to bts i do and all of them are unique at their own place and amazing and dude blackpink song mostly sound the same t , i didn't wanna fight but seriously what you're saying is your realllly wrong unpopular opinion
I think bp is just a brand, yg and teddy always talked about having a strong and powerful concept for bp (and other gg) but they never talk about the songs' meaning or articity, i think the girls like their own concept but maybe some of them will leave the company after the tour (i feel like rose wants more rn idk), but Yg is yg.
Agreed. YG feels like a company that exists to sell and be rich and famous instead of also being there because they love music and want to make meaningful, varied, and creative music. The music feels kind of souless.
That's actually really true, YG entertainment in my opinion cares more about A Girl Groups Image, Money and other stuff more than music, I mean look at the lyrics of most blackpink song they mostly talk about how they are Filty Rich and They are always the best (I'm not tryna send hate cuz I'm a blink too) I feel like YG doesn't actually care about the girls nor their talent but on other stuffs like yk how I mentioned on top of my comment. I hope that Blackpink just gets more fair treatment and if not then I feel like slowly the members might start leaving the group. Also I forgot to mention is that they only allow limited talent for our girls, like I believe that Jisoo, Rose, Lisa, Jennie they have a lot more in their talent by YG restricts it :(
Yeah rośe is passionate about music and honestly I'd be happy seeing her do her own thing She has potential for good music considering her solos were okay
i think what's sad is, as somebody who was there throughout 2NE1's last years as a group, seeing how YG failed them so miserably, every fuck up i see with blackpink i don't even get mad at, i just look at with resigned acceptance. YG is truly "if it ain't broke (or more accurately if you've conditioned fans so hard they'll buy into a group no matter what so even IF you're monetarily broke or morally bankrupt they can bail you out), don't fix it." what scares me is what this reusing of formula, and what this marketing strategy might mean for blackpink and their legacy in the future. i have seen 2NE1 dragged through the mud from, at best, unfairly representing their music for bait in petty fanwars to outright erasing their legacy as if they weren't one of the top groups, not just girl groups, but groups of their time, period. they were known as digital monsters back in the day, no one in their right mind who's known kpop for this long would deny them their flowers, and yet, due to YG's own mishandling, it happens all the time. feels very similar to sm erasing the legacy of f(x), refusing to mention them at any turn. it scares me that, no matter how many records they break now, the same fate could befall blackpink. all that work from both the girls and the fans just for them to go out with their history leaving a bitter taste in everyone's mouths whew. that was depressing. i don't like to doompost but i would be lying if i said i don't see signs of history repeating itself
Dammm…..You Blackjacks will never stop crying and blaming YG for 2ne1 s foolishness and stupidity that got them disbanded. So you want people to believe that YG , having one of the most successful GG then , bringing in millions to his company , at the top of their game , suddenly decided to disband the group because…….he doesn’t like the money that much…….really …..any sensible person would know there is more to it than that. But you would or could never be truthful and give the facts, which is they did it to themselves. First Bom with her having drugs mailed to her , which although legally prescribed by a physician in the US , is illegal in SKorea and it was done behind YGs back. So her actions put the group and YG in jeopardy. Then while he’s trying to sort that mess out , Minzy decides that she can’t handle the fame and decides to quit, which only recently she revealed yrs later, knowing full well that her fandom, blackjacks were wrongly blaming YG. With the situation the way they were, one member in hiatus due to legal issues , and another one quitting …….there was only half the group to continue. So of course he couldn’t continue with half a group , and he formally did banded them , but he still didn’t throw them away , he gave the remaining two, Dara and CL , solo contracts which they both gladly accepted. But this is the real injustice……while YG was left with no choice but to debut his long postponed GG ( BlackPink) , to somehow fill the hole that 2ne1 disbandment created , blackjacks , with 2ne1 encouragement, were raging an attack on BlackPink to sabotage their debut and rise. So history shows how miserable they failed but every now and then , one or two lingering blackjacks would appear and attempt to continue their failed campaign. Sorry you haven’t resolved this issue still …..but then you need professional help. BlackPink “ the greatest GG in the World”by multiple sources Peace
Yeah, YG has an abysmal record for taking care of their artists. I’m glad the members of 2NE1 seem to have found their way to better, healthier situations now, but I’ll never not be bitter about how YG treated them. The long hiatuses and inconsistent treatment of the Blankpink members makes me worry for them.
I think that YG just want BlackPink as a product like just advertising, brand ambassador and all that instead of artists in music 🙃. Good video thank for sharing your thoughts
I actually thought Jisoo was the standout for Happiest girl! She has a BEAUTIFUL falsetto, and she showed that she could hit super high notes as well as low ones.
@@jpa9029 I am talking about the official audio for happiest girl. Jisoo's high notes were absolutely beautiful, but it could have been enhanced further if producer just went with raw vocals without autotune or voice overlap.
$50 for a 25 minute album. One song released a month prior, and then one of the songs (ready for love) we already heard monthsss ago….so $50 for 6 songs. The nerrrrrve
LOL you people actually think the girls get treated badly by yg? they will resign %110, if it wasnt for YG there would be no BP, no other agency could of managed or brought out the talents of the girls, if it wasnt for YG they would probably be singing cute boppy songs, in the end of the day YG and BP are a business they know what to do a lot better then what people on youtube who think they know what to do
This might be too long, but this is how I personally feel about black pink. When I look at the girls and over the course of 6 years, I think that they are amazing at what they do, but I would hate to be training for 4-6 years and not utilizing my potential to grow as an artist. I understand quality over quantity, but how are you going to grow when you don’t practice and perfect your craft. I think that maybe they are happy, but they worked as trainees to do Music, release bodies of work, and to tell stories through the voices that they trained hard for. When I see they throughout 2 “FULL ALBUMS”, they have only released 16 songs in total, I get disappointed because I want to see growth. It’s great for YG because they are making money, but sucks for them because they aren’t growing. I think the album was nice and ok, but they definitely could have made it a masterpiece if they spent more time on it. Just my two cents, thank you.
and quality can sometimes be questioned especially if most of what they do is filtered/controlled by yg. their growth and artistry for a 6 year old group is kinda slow or stunt 😕
Hard to Love was just impossible to not add to this album. It's just that good. Jisoo deserves her own solo debut with promotion, MV and spotlight. I don't think it would be a good idea making her solo debut as a side-B on a group album.
100% agree with this. I love the songs in the album itself. I think it actually has the best songs in their discography but YG is still a huge issue here. 8 songs is not acceptable, especially ready for love being there. The difficult thing is that I don't know if its possible for them to get out of YG and stay as a group (I dont know the logistics and specifics of their contract). We know for a fact that the girls want more and they want to be more involved into song making process but I feel like YG has not given the confidence to do that on their own so that might feel more comfortable resigning and repeating this whole process. I really hope they try to negotiate and change up their next contract if they stay with YG. I have a strong feeling they will stay.
Thank you for this honest review. YG depends heavily on what I like to call scarcity marketing. Keep the fans hungry for more and condition them to be happy with less. Make the members seem exclusive (we all know they weren't allowed to do variety shows for a long time), give the fans criminally small albums, and release them sparsely to build hype and anticipation. It's not fair to the fans and it's especially not fair to the girls.
@@JonathanMillerMusic example is typa girl is Lisa solo but it was given to the group, hard to love according to the composer it was a group song but record for rose solo.. it's kinda unfair for jisoo. Yg instead give it to her not rose
@@DUNGSTA Ready for love was 90% leaked more than a year before its official release. It's not new, fans were asking for it so they made it a commercial for pubg. It's good for promotions but a commercial doesn't deserve a place in an album.
You hit the nail with this review, the songs are not bad in fact I like them all, but there is a part of me that is not satisfied, the album should have had more songs at least two more. These four women are beautiful and talented. I love them and I hope that if they renew they ask for what they deserve as artists.
Thank you! I think some people thought I was saying I hated this album and I wasn’t trying to say that at all! 😭 I really enjoyed the songs and Born Pink has been on repeat all weekend! I just think YG can do better bc the girls deserve it. If they renew I genuinely hope it works out in their favor! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
It was so heartbreaking. For months (since November 2021), blinks have been online BEGGING YG for an update on this album. Every person on youtube was very clear about wanting at least 10+ songs. The track list drops and everyone is suddenly "Okay, it's not what we wanted, but the important thing is that the album is even there" girl what??? And don't even get me started on Jisoo's treatment. They hide her in the choreography, give her no lines in the title track and then give her filler parts on the b-sides meanwhile we still have no update on her solo. Trying to communicate with this company is like talking to a brick wall. I don't want Jisoo to leave Blackpink since they are her family, but YG treats her like the least important member every comeback. If it's so infuriating to us (her fans), how painful must it be for her to always be everyone's last concern? Thanks so much for this video!
RIGHT?? There was NO WAY YG had no idea people wanted more music. It's trended. People have made countless videos, comments. It's a known thing people want more Blackpink music and a true full-length album. To deliver 8 songs (which under different conditions would be fine but under these, it's not.) I agree! Why is she always in the background of the choreography???? That girl can DANCE and she never gets to really show it off. If she wants to just do acting and doesn't WANT a solo -that's completely fine!! But maybe communicate that to fans??? hahaha
@@JonathanMillerMusic They definitely have an idea how mad the fans are. Straight from Teddy Park's mouth, "And I know the fans are mad. Like, "We want more and more." We do have a lot in here, but we're very particular with what we put out". It sounds like the "starve and release" approach works well with Blackpink so, even if the fans cry blood, they will just keep doing that. In fact, I think that they love it when the fans are getting mad and being demanding. It creates noise, creates publicity, creates instant promo but it costs them nothing.
Why do you torture yourself? If you don't like it the let it go and leave Blackpink for fans that truly appreciate anything that they give us. Based on your in-depth knowledge there must be a better girl band for you that won't make you feel disappointed, that have better music producer, better label and management company, that have better vocals and choreography. We love Blackpink as they are, like a family member. So please don't be a dick and don't ruin our best experience with your negative comments in front of our eyes. You wouldn't do that for your family member because you know it doesn't encourage any improvement but hurt a lot just to hear that I'm not good enough for you.
Agree that a solo has no place on an 8 track album and the whole starving us of content so they can increase streams and stats on a fewer number of tracks is so frustrating. The tracks do stop abruptly as well and it's frustrating that the tracks are so short to increase streaming. 8 track albums are fine if you're not waiting 2 years for it. I agree with everything even though I love Blackpink and enjoy Born Pink
Hi new sub here, I just got into Blackpink, and I must say this album felt underwhelming specially considering the time it came out, renaissance just came out and we’re finally returning to listening albums back to back and the release of an EP that’s disorganized (the track list order is all over the place) and gives a feel of a bunch of songs together instead of assembling them in a cohesive way pushes new listeners away. The fact that the album only had 8 songs and one of them I heard a sneak peek on a doc that came out two years ago made the whole thing feel lazy so I can only imagine how the fans that follow the girls since the debut must have felt. I personally think that if the girls were allowed to explore and have a saying in how the album was put together we could have had an amazing sophomore album just like ungodly hour from Chloe and Halle. (This comment is all over the place but u get the idea)
I've been a fan since they debuted but the songs on born pink were not that good honestly. I liked some of them, but they had lots of random songs on there that kinda didn't make sense to put them together? Idk. I was definitely dissapointed though.
I reordered the tracklist as well just to enjoy the album in a different way: 1. Ready For Love - Transition from The Album to BornPink 2. Shut Down 3. Typa Girl 4. Hard To Love 5. The Happiest Girl 6. Tally 7. Yeah Yeah Yeah 8. Pink Venom - strongest outro I’ll try to listen to your reorder as well 😍
Just look at Blackpink's world tour program, YG is using exactly the same plan(stadium capacity, cities, routes, etc.) as they did from 4-5 years ago! That shows how lazy and irresponsible their management team is!
I'm happy, very happy actually you validated every point I feel about YGE and branding Blackpink both musically and marketing-wise. Possible Misogyny Tracklist restriction Label Filtering YGE being on auto-pilot with it's tactics since 2019 Yep Bravo I feel every point here. Thank you for making sure some of us aren't crazy. We want the Best for the group especially after 5 years
Thank you and I feel the same way. I just want what's best for four girls who've trained and worked for so long. They are in such a unique position in the world of music to really elevate the world of K-Pop in the music industry and YG is holding them back. It makes me sad cuz it's not even the girls' fault which I wish more people understood. Hopefully it will get better after contract negotiations -whatever happens.
it's more than apparent YG is using BP's fame as advertising mechanism for their fashion brand partnerships more so than giving them a chance to become singers...seems it's easier to make money this way...smh
This was a really great review! Totally on point with YG being the issue. I’m a long time blink and was disappointed when I found out we were only getting 8 songs. I agree the album by itself without knowing the backstory is actually pretty good but I can’t help to have negative feelings towards it when I know what the group offers. Really hope they leave YG too. Any other label would kill to have them and treat them 100 times better. Here’s to hoping
I’m not even a Blackpink fan, but I’m still frustrated at how badly YG is managing them. As far as I can see, Blackpink’s success is in spite of YG’s management, not because of it. The members keep their ship afloat with their own talent and charisma, and I think they could go so much farther if YG would just raise the anchors.
You are so right!! I agree with everything I don’t know why YG treat they biggest moneymaker like this !! After so many years the mistreatment is the same
Thank you for this review!! As a Jisoo bias, I’m sad that she hasn’t have a solo yet, and all my friends keep telling me that she has SnowDrop, but in my view, I think as a member of BlackPink, she should have the same chance on having her own solo debut I’m also glad that you’re pointing out YG’s business marketing strategy on BlackPink, they have lack of content for such talented girls !!
I can understand Jisoo not having a solo, based on the fact that she wanted to be an actress. Sometimes not everyone in the group wants solos, and maybe Jisoo rather have a solo acting gig. But why have so little of her on the track? It’s beyond me.
Absolutely! Also if Jisoo doesn’t want a solo, that is COMPLETELY understandable and awesome but just say that so fans don’t send YG hounding messages trying to help her out. YG’s lack of communication is also an issue 😑😵💫
actually Jisoo didn't say she doesn't want to release a solo song, back in January she was asked by a fan during the fansign and there's a video, she said she already have some songs and she's just need to choose 2 songs from them for her solo debut, and when the fan asked her is she gonna release it this year she said off course, but as u can see yg delayed their cb too much and theres no time to release her solo this year since the world tour gonna start next month
TQ for your honesty.. If I had pre-ordered this album I would've felt "cheated" !! Frankly I would've bn happy to pay any amount IF the Entire album was worth it🤔. I've bn skipping and unsubscribing many channels lately bcos they seem to be saying what the fans Want to hear...for fear of incurring the wrath of BP fans.... YG , middle finger up!!!
Of course. Like I said most of the time I really enjoy highlighting positive things about the music I review but when I heard Born Pink, it just felt really dishonest to pretend like everything was fine. I think the members are amazingly talented people but YG just keeps doing them so dirty and I just don't understand WHY. haha
hahaha I just heard the album and with everyone asking me for my thoughts on YG, I just felt that I needed to be honest with this one. As a musician myself, it hurts me to see another creative being used like this by a company when they so easily could be WAYYYYY further ahead. It makes no sense.
I have to politely but strongly disagree with you on this one. As you say yourself, the songs are all great and fresh for Blackpink. So your argument is: There are "not enough" songs on the album, they are in the "wrong order" and Jisoo doesn't has a solo or isn't allowed to shine? And your conclusion is, that YG mistreats the girls (even to the point of misogyny)? We shouldn't blame everything we don't like or understand as "YG mistreats Blackpink". Thats just as bad and entitled as a few years back, when fans complained "Jennie is lazy" (when in truth she had health problems). Of course you can like or not like Born Pink as an album. Different tastes, different opinions. Thats fine. Personally I prefer shorter albums without any filler like Born Pink. We also know that the girls and Teddy are very particular about what they put out and that they work very hard on every single song. Of course as fans we always want more and more. But who is to say, the girls are unhappy with the length? I also love the order of the songs. For me Born Pink thankfully takes you on a strong thematic journey and has a great message thanks to its specific order. I'm especially happy, that for once the "sad ballad" isn't the "obligatory" last song but an integral part of that journey. We get the emotional hit where it makes sense but we then overcome the sadness and end on a happier even optimistic note ("Ready For Love"). As for Jisoo: Her amazing falsetto is the biggest standout in "The Happiest Girl". In my perception, she overall gets more opportunities on Born Pink to shine than in past releases. Of course I would've loved to have a Jisoo Solo. But maybe it wasn't ready yet or Jisoo wasn't yet satisfied? And wouldn't it be more important what the girls want (or are happier and healthier with) than what we entitled fans demand? We fans always complain about heavily overworked idols, but when they take their time and release fewer songs or releases, we also complain? Of course we always can discuss if they became the biggest girl group of the world because or despite YG's strategy. I see mostly overwhelmingly positive feedback for "Born Pink" and way less critsicsm than with "The Album" back in 2019, but that might be my filter bubble. My biggest criticism against YG is the lack of communication, transparency and bad management of expectations to avoid "YG mistreats Blackpink" speculations like yours. I'm also wondering why we didn't get a "Blackpink Diaries 2022" so far. It would've helped to bridge the gap and bring the fans along this journey to this years releases and tour. We're not in the room when or why these descisions are made. So maybe there are good reasons for the lack of a new reality tv show, but please YG, then at least communicate with us fans on whats going on.
Hey! First of all thank you for being so thoughtful with your response, you brought up a lot of great points. Ultimately I agree too that the girls just deserve to be happy and if they are then that’s really all that matters in the end of the day! I absolutely agree though that YG a could at the very least improve on its communication with Blinks. That would probably clear up a lot of confusion! Haha thank you for your input!! 💛💛🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@Guthwulf11 absolutely! I always appreciate what others have to say. If I forget to say something like “this is just my opinion and yours may be different and that’s ok” in my video, I try to make sure I ask for your input in the pinned comment. 💛💛 I really appreciate what u have to say!
This is what I was mentioning my friends is not is not that I don't support BP I don't support YG and sadly since they are treating them like tool it makes me uncomfortable as a fan.
I totally get that. It's really hard to explain to others because people either think Blinks are greedy, or overreacting, or a bunch of other incorrect things when that's not the case. It's frustrating. =/
Thank you for putting this into words. YG has been coasting on a "minimum effort, maximum results" mindset ever since they realized the fans were willing and able to do most of the heavy lifting for them. Why put in actual effort promoting the group if fans are going to eat up whatever they put out regardless? Why give Blackpink consistent and multiple comebacks a year if a scarcity mindset (and fans' fear of disbandment) will make YG even more money instead? Once Blackpink had developed a solid enough fanbase and goodwill in their rookie years, YG stopped trying and fans had to pick up the slack. I wasn't aware how bad this was with 2ne1 until the end of their careers with YG. But in the era of streaming culture, it's gotten much worse with Blackpink, and they deserve so much better than this. I'm not even a fan, but it's so insulting the way YG has stunted their growth. I hope they all leave YG and find thriving careers elsewhere.
I agree with you so much!! When I saw the tracklist I was like...this is a mini album or EP length...wtf. All this hype and promo for 8 songs (of which 3 were already out and one a SOLO). I just went to the Born Pink tour which was amazing and I'm so thankful I got to see the girls together live, but after seeing their solos live I couldn't help but think they may be happier and release more/better music once their contract is over. I feel like they all have so much going for them and I'd hope they'd still choose to collab with each other sometimes but either way, I'll support all of them in whatever they do. And regarding Jisoo I think at this point she's a bit hesitant and afraid to release a solo because of all the hype and pressure. She's even expressed she doesn't know what genre it would be. She's a perfectionist so I wouldn't be surprised if she's been delaying it as well. I just wish they had more creative freedom in general. Like I said though, I'm excited to see what comes next even if they end their contract and the concert was soo worth the money- they did amazing! YG gave them a platform and hype but now they need to step it up or let them have more control and a say in things also in an ideal world, this is what I would think a perfect tracklist/song choice would be - Shut Down Pink Venom Typa Girl You & Me (Jennie's new solo for whatever reason WASN't PUT ON THIS ALBUM) Hard to Love Happiest Girl (Jisoo Solo) Tally Money - Lisa ( i feel would fit into this line up!) (New track that doesn't exist) Yeah Yeah Yeah (this was one of the last songs they did at the show and. I think it's a great outro minus the fade out) (ready for love doesn't fit imo)
It is frustrating when you're a fan of YG female artists, know what they are capable of...and see YG sitting on them and limiting them from showing the full range of artistic expression that you know is possible. Does anyone doubt that they could create some massively popular ballads with complex 4-part harmonies? I'm sure that they can. But I'm equally sure that going anywhere in that direction is not something that YG will likely ever let happen for them. Lee Hi could have easily been an OST queen when she was at YG (and there were strong indications that offers and proposals were frequently made to YG, but most often rejected)...even during 3-year hiatus periods when she literally had nothing else going on. One time, she did an OST for a TV show. It was heard in the TV show and was wildly popular. People who wanted to listen to it had to do so by seeing uploaded videos of the clip from the TV show episode...because for some reason that was never explained, YG refused to release it as a song. (IIRC, it was the only song from the TV show OST that was not included in the OST soundtrack album. As usual, YG never bothered to even give an explanation. ) I always have mixed feelings about YG. It's thanks to YG, that we know who Jisoo, Jennie, Rosé and Lisa are. After they debuted, YG did several things right, including making shows like Blackpink House --- and that showcased the adorableness of the members that so many people have fallen in love with. But YG also limits them in ways that make no sense.
Great review. I appreciate your honesty. Your channel is very informative and I have learned a lot about the way the music industry works from watching your videos. Thanks!
I liked the album for the most part but it left me wanting more. Like it definitely feels like Born Pink was supposed to have more songs on it. (And according to Ryan Tedder, it was supposed to have more tracks on it cause he co-wrote some of the tracks with Jennie and Rosé). I agree with you about the order of the tracklist feeling off, Like the album definitely could’ve flowed better. Also I agree with the sentiment that if there were more tracks on the album, people wouldn’t have felt minded Rosé having a solo. Like it’s a good song and she did well on the track, But since there are only 8 songs on the album I can get why people wouldn’t really go for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if songs were removed from the tracklist and instead if shifting the order around to make more sense dynamically, They just let it be how it is 💀
Oh absolutely! I’m quite certain there are many tracks out there floating around cuz typically kpop groups will record many many songs before narrowing it down. I just hate that YG essentially set Rosé up to get criticized for something she didn’t choose when it absolutely could’ve been a cool moment *if* there were more songs on the album. I’m not saying it had to be like a 20 song record but at least 10-12 would’ve given it some more life. Haha
Never had any producer spoiled something before any release - NDA probably? Plus if the song they produced is not in line with the Born Pink lineup why keep insisting to be included if it is not his decision to do so. From what I guess, links with Lady Gaga & Selena & Ariana through UMG (their Western label) hence they were included in The Album just like Lovesick Girls who had a touch of David Guetta. They might have only included the tracks they like to perform infront of Blinks again after pandemic - some The Album songs have not yet been performed + Rosé & Lisa - what I mean is World Tour and not just for radio play or stream and sales.
@@JonathanMillerMusic I heard that a live album may come out after the tour and several new songs may be added. Based on how an audience receives their performance the tracklist may not be so "offensive". Every interview I have heard from the women contradicts the widely assumed theory that they are being mistreated.
Took the words right out of my mouth!! You covered basically every issue a lot of Blinks have with the company and the way the girls are treated. YG has left SOOOOOO much money on the table, and for what?!? Did they not learn from their own history? The company would have remained financially stable even after all the turmoil & scandals that have happened within the company the last few years. You briefly mentioned misogyny... I had hoped that having a female CEO in place would lead to better handling of BP, but it seems like the same old story. It seems like she is just a figurehead/puppet with the old regime maintaining the status quo behind the scenes. I really hope the girls play hardball with YG at the negotiating table. BP has done so much for the company, and I'm sure the girls are grateful to the company for the opportunity, but they deserve the chance to have more freedom & input in their own brand and music at this point in the game. I will support them regardless if they stay or decide to leave for another company, but at this rate I don't think BP will be able to reach their potential staying at YG.. I agree with your views on the album. Loved most of the tracks on the album, but I was left with a feeling of wanting more. A lot of the tracks are barely 3 minutes in length. 2 years of waiting and we get 8 tracks barely totaling 25 minutes in length? Though I suppose YG 'spoiled' us with 1 solo mini per year each containing 2 songs 😅 I'm not that upset with the English tracks. I thought this was actually a smart move since they are one of the only KPop groups with many proficient English speakers. Perfectly fusing Kpop with Western. I remember hearing Teddy talk once about how the lyrics for songs are sometimes composed in English and then translated into Korean, but due to rhythm flow or loss of meaning decided to keep it in English to maintain its intended impact. Just my thought when listening to 'Tally' since they drop some profanities in the song (maybe commonplace for Western, but too 'offensive' in Korean). Not hating on the girls. I love them and I think they sounded really good with a lot of the songs being bops but all the extraneous stuff with YG has left a sour taste in my mouth.
Hey Jason! Always good to hear from you. :) Thank you, I just don't understand what they're doing over there, even factoring in cultural and business differences. I mean Blackpink IS generating them tons of money but still. I was really hoping when Hwang Bo-Kyung took over that BP in particular would get some more attention and activity, like you said, but it's just so strange that they are still held in this weird limbo of mega-activity and then crickets -and not like the standard comeback/going away of activities in kpop. It's really a different thing with Blackpink that is so hard to put into words and describe to your average listener. It's so complicated! 😵💫 Oh absolutely. That's why I didn't bring up the English thing, like I just kind of accept that it's part of Blackpink now. Which is another reason I really hoped for more Korean traditional music on the record. It could've been soooooo cool! I know a lot of Kpop songs start as English demos so it's actually quite nice to hear them as they might have been originally intended... but like you said. YG's treatment just makes everything feel... icky. hahahaha
@@JonathanMillerMusic oooo that would have been a really nice change of pace to introduce more traditional Korean instruments into their music! I've seen Chinese hiphop/pop artists like Wang Leehom and Jay Chou do that to much success so it would have been very cool to see Blackpink do that to contrast the electronic sounds that is prevalent these days. I was really hoping Jisoo would get a bigger spotlight to shine this time as a preview to a possible future solo project. After hearing some of her lines in Ready for Love, her flawless visuals in Pink Venom, and even rapping (😳!!!) in Shut Down, I thought she would get to showcase her unique voice in the rest of the tracks. But as is the case, we are left wanting more although she has another writing credit under belt with 'Yeah yeah yeah.' Nothing against the others, but as the 'lead vocalist' she should have more opportunities than she was given. Just goes to drive your point about YG even more!
bro if you expect more go Stan the other girl groups!!1 YG is Yg and we or you or the host of the video won't change it! so all of you should suck it and move on! YG is been like this for years and the company won't change for all of you complaining...just saying
Kxll this love was their last great work. After that: lovesick girls 🙄, ice cream chilling chilling 🙄, how you like that ... And now if we talk about the plagiarism........... 🙄🤦🏻♂️🥱🥱🥱 I mean YG is paying someone to create"original" songs for them, right? But when you listen to them you recognize immediately that one BP song is made of small pieces of other 3-4 songs.... Come on!!!!!!! And now, yes! After two years "the album" is just another EP full of songs that do not have any relation to each other...............
Someone give this man Teddy’s number 🤣 I completely agree that NayG (YG) is a complete mess of a company, it’s not about scandals or mistreatments or any of that gossip, it’s just straight up the inability of maximizing the return on the talent they have at their disposal. The company’s structure too doesn’t seem able to sustain the level of operation they are expected to work at. Word is that recently NayG has reorganized more like JYP, with task forces expected to work on/with specific artists to expedite the process. I do think that’s a good move but I do also think the company should expand their producer portfolio because with BP for example it’s still always the same names floating around and that’s not creating a creative environment that can come up with new ideas.
I don't get why they didn't add 5 more songs like Jennies new Solo, an added song for Jennie, a Lisa Solo and finally two Solo songs for Jisoo. Bam! 12 songs.
Disagreed Jisoo just like others deserved a good solo debut Like a separate promotion from grp promotions WHY should her solo be a part of an album by BP ?
I hope after this world tour they wont go for another hiatus. I would be so damn pissed at YG if they let the queen go for another hiatus. Im not going to wait for another 2 years for an album with just 8 songs.
They need a little break of sorts after the tour though. I want more from them yes, especially after their touring ends...but if it's at the expense of their health, I'm not down for that. So maybe a short break and then hopefully more from them 🙏
@@lalalalisa41 i dont mind if they are taking a short break. Yes they deserve it. But 2 years or more is too long for another album release with just 8 songs. Its just not worth the wait for me.
@@oda4766 Well, we'll just have to see because ultimately it is up to them with the time in between new songs 😅 Personally for me, 2 years is nothing in terms of wait lol. I'm used to waiting a long time for a lot of things so it's okay for me.
Ready For Love should not be included in Born Pink album because it is from another category different from other traks: animated music video; is a teaser concept awarded by MTV 2022 separately from other K-pop categories and was released on both of Blackpink and PUBG Mobile's official TH-cam channels
you said everything so well. it really saddens me but this album was my last straw. i can't let myself be a blink that supports anything they put out while being under YG out of respect for the girls. i love and wish them the freest future possible. i am and will always be excited to receive what they have to offer then.
Jonathan with all due respect....it's also about "overworking them" like they are cattle for the masses to do whatever/say whatever....their contracts with the industry is both fair and unfair depending on perception ...if/when established artists have spoken out already about the issues...
As much as I want them to release music casually, i think there's something this formulated shit that YG was trying to do with their group. Recently their one sunbaenim group left that company because of lack of musical freedom. I'll just leave the rest for my girls if they still want to stay at YG. Would still love them no matter what.
Maybe there's more after Shutdown/Bornpink, we might see a new kind of Blackpink we just have to wait and support them. No matter what I will always support them.
Me too, I will support them! I've seen people say maybe there will be a repackage album (which would be cool) I just hope it works out for the best because the girls deserve it! :))
Everyone insists that YG is so bad for Blackpink, but that may not be the case. I would love to hear more songs from the group but YG provides them with: 1. large video budget 2. world-wide touring schedule 3. successful music and video production team 4. a chance to do solo work 5. the girls are millionaires, so they must be compensated properly 6. a chance to pursue outside interest 7. a successful marketing strategy, look at other Korean groups, no one is as profitable as them (ex. BTS) 8. successful promotion in western markets 9. a comfortable work environment. They're certainly not overworked musically, Jennie seems to be allowed to date, Jisoo is allowed to act (in a controversal movie) and they get the best collaborators. 10. a chance to select the songs they do, including controversial language and topics. The fans don't get a lot of perks, but the girls seem to be happy. Maybe we are falsely accusing YG of mistreatment.
During World War 2, there were a group of women pilots who assisted in the war. When the died in combat, their bodies were sneaked into the country, so people did not know there were women pilots fighting along side their men. For fear of demoralising their men with the idea that their women were fighting and dying for them, and in some instances, saving them. The survivors were quietly returned to the their kitchens, to play the doting wives, to keep their men's spirits up. MAYBE IT IS KINDA LIKE THAT WITH YG!!!
These girls are millionaires, models, actresses, known throughout the world, and most importantly - happy. They have cars, planes, homes, clothes, awards, jewelry, etc -but you feel you can make them more successful? Why do you think you know more what's in their hearts and minds than they do? We all think they are mistreated, but they love Teddy and they get to work as solo artists. Other Korean artists work more often but they are not more successful. YG must be doing something right. Maybe they have a different value system than you.
@@JonathanMillerMusic I know YOU believe they are being mistreated, but do THEY believe they are being mistreated. The inner workings of their work relationship may not be obvious to any of us.
Having money is different than feeling treated rightfully as an artist. After years of the essential slave labor trainee program, they deserve to live out every dream they have as ARTISTS, not just “rich celebrities”
@@mariahg6146 I think fans view Blackpink's treatment selfishly. We don't get enough songs so we view that as YG's fault. It may be true, but before we hang the executives we should quiz the artists. Maybe they approve of the way they are being managed. They are not only successful monetarily but also in sales, popularity, alternative careers, awards, and some freedoms. Let them decide if they are happy with their arrangement - not outsiders.
@@martindavis6067 im simply responding to *your* post about “planes (they don’t actually have planes, rent perhaps), cars (not allowed to drive), jewelry, awards, etc. as a measure of success. All I was saying is that after ALL of these years of blood, sweat, loss, and tears, I’m sure having 2 small albums isn’t what they were expecting as artists. They weren’t allowed to sign their name to anything, create anything, write anything. Anyone that comes from a creative world knows how painful being that stifled feels. Regardless of the money and fame and power. No one is saying they are locked away in a tower and being bludgeoned if they don’t do what they are told, but they are being stifled as ARTISTS was the point of this post.
Does not include music quality and concerts that use live music.Dealing with BP YG very sucks.I don't understand, many times YG sends girls to make money. But there are many opportunities that YG refuses.I don't know what YG wants in the end.
What you don't understand is the Korean culture where Seniors always have to be reawakened ... nothing wrong with that; but it is hard to admit that they are overcome , especially if they are men . This is also the YG mentality, which I don't think expects so much international success for a female group. Although he knows too well now the potential of BLACKPINK, he continues to partially underestimate/ignore it EDIT : Nubia Magazine The Most Beautiful Woman In The World 2022 (Winner/Finalists) No 1 Jisoo , No 3 Lisa
I've been following Blackpink since before they even became Blackpink. My interest in YG generally was due to me being a fan of Lee Hi (from her Kpop Star days) since 2012. One of the first things that I noticed about YG was the very obvious and strange double standard in the way they handled female artists versus the way they handled and promoted the male artists. (Lee Hi of course had to endure a total of 6 years of hiatus (two back-to-back 3-year hiatuses) until she got fed up and left for AOMG as soon as her contract was up. I noticed how huge, massive and expensive the pre-debut promotions for the new boy groups were, with literally a year's worth of weekly promotional reality TV programs being made for the boys (WIN, Mix & Match, Winner TV. Contrast that with the pre-debut promotions for Blackpink, i.e. the virtually non-existent pre-debut promotions. Sure Jisoo was allowed to appear in a few music videos of other YG acts, so people generally knew who she was before Blackpink debuted. Jennie was allowed to appear in a GD video, feature as a singer in a GD song and feature as a rapper in a Lee Hi song, so people knew who she was. Lisa and Rosé, for some weird reason, were intentionally kept nameless and faceless until the group debuted. ( Rosé featured as a singer in a GD song, but was literally only credited as a question mark (?). Lisa appeared as a back-up dancer in a Taeyang song, but was barely seen and not credited. ) Then just days before the official debut, YG showed photos of the girls and held the Blackpink Debut Showcase for the media/press to introduce the girls. Despite close to zero pre-debut promotional investment, Blackpink has become YG's top group at present (and in terms of overall global impact, YG's most significant group ever). It's a mixed bag to be sure. YG spends and invests substantially in the music videos. But Blackpink-generated income makes that possible. But for the most part, YG is still treating Blackpink the same way as they were treating female artists 10 years ago. (Gummy and Lee Hi probably still have nightmares about the amount of time they spent in the YG dungeon, while YG was sending boy group members all over on TV shows, radio shows and so on.)
Honestly, it's time we stop blaming YG for everything. Like c'mon, let's be real for once, if not for YG do you think BP would be what they are today? BP is so fortunate that they do least to almost nothing and still be successful and keep the fame. You think this would be possible under other companies? Almost all the groups under the BIG 3 have fame and success only because they're under those companies (with exceptions). Talking about BP & YG, Honestly I don't feel like the girls are serious about making music either.....so let's not completely blame YG for that. Except for maybe Rosè, I don't think others are super into it. Other groups are made to slog like animals and are still not quite there as BP is today in terms of fame and popularity (unless you're from one of the BIG 3). Also, the girls pretty much like not being overworked and still be successful and popular I feel. Here's the thing......since 2023 ends BP's contract. I will say this, if BP is really into making music and want creative freedom, they'll resign and join a company that allows creative freedom for artists (like maybe AOMG). But if they renew their contracts, it's 10000% evident that the girls enjoy this lifestyle. Because at the end of the day what matters is what you have in your bank accounts.
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I hope YG’s new girl group never debuts, or at LEAST Blackpink disbands/moves to another company. YG has been sitting too comfortable on Blackpink’s money
Agreed. YG clearly just cannot seem to understand how to handle girl groups -especially when they get really successful. It makes me worried for all the trainees :(
@@JonathanMillerMusic 2NE1, Blackpink... YG did know how to make successful girl group... the "fans" mad because they feel "fool" by the YG tactics... i think if YG give bp tons of album, songs from the start, their achievement might becomes like other succesful girl group out there, in korea. you wont see billions of view on 1 video or the massive anticipation. just opinion. but one thing i do hope YG allow the bp girls to have their collab with other artists individually or as sub-unit. its too exclusive right now where many of the fellow kpop artist never meet bp in person, including their labelmates.
Wishing ill towards others won’t help either of their life or career. Maybe people are not seeing clearly a bigger picture. They are not just a group they also hve their own individual brands. They are not sole producers because they weren’t even branded to be one. If we want them to be musicians, then brands need them to stop inviting the girls everywhere and let them sit on their studio and work. 😂
im being optimistic about them that after this album the next album will be them BP free from restrictions about making music tbh. and im giving YG last chance.
@@JonathanMillerMusic yeah i hope so. tbh if they don't renew their contract they are all successful being solo. but i really hope yg will realize the power BP have. BGG they do it with 2mini and 2 full length album. BP will not disappoint yg if they give them freedom.
Agreed with everything you said about…we’ll, everything. You were spot on. Thing is there’s not a damn thing we can go is there?! Fans speak out against these companies all the time and they just ignore them.
Totally agree! I guess we will never see their full potential as artists under YG. We just love the girls too much that we can't do anything but accept what YG offers to us. I can feel that the girls want to give us more but they are obviously restricted. It's just so painful to watch great artists being wasted.
Obviously restricted? They own YGE right now. All 4 have second job on side but decided to still run Blackpink but no longer as a kpop group. They shut down that era, now they sing what they like, they will throw f-bombs if they feel it, they will date whoever they want and you don't have to worry about it because they are not kpop group anymore. They seem to be happier in US and that makes me happier too 😊
Pathetic! You guys are the reason why BlackPink will disband not YG. You’re always ungrateful and always complaining. The girls themselves said that they love working with YG! Stop assuming as if their mistreated. They’re the most favored artist there. Duh! Without YG theres no BlackPink. They chose them 4 out of so many trainees. Just be grateful! And there’s no restrictions anymore! Restrictions are only allowed for 3 years after debut
@@cailymoon4350 They won't stop. That's the disease of these days. Like with a virus or ads in website we just have to learn to ignore. Maybe they don't know how much it hurts to hear someone discredit your loved ones. Or maybe they know exactly how it feels and that's why they doing this. It clearly hurts Blackpink girls, so much so that now they are making songs like Shut Down and Tally to send the message to their toxic fans. I hope TH-cam get better soon with comments recommendations and also allow to block certain user comments. There is huge difference between saying this music is not to my liking (which is understandable) and saying that music is bad, management is bad and the whole company has bad intentions. Yeah... Just treat them like snap or ads or posted by bots. Humans do not behave like this in real life. I'm still learning
i dont know its like yg doesnt see blackpink music a worthy i dont know how to put into words properly he treats blackpink compared to their 2nd gen group bigbang and 2ne1 their not the same type of treatment. Like i dont know honestly where is winner is like they done even exist in yg , where is ikon we don't know?.
Maybe there are so many and big surprises for us after this. I think they are aware of what they are lacking and know that BP could give us so much more, they just don't give it all yet.
Idk about that. They debuted in 2016 and fans have been complaining about the same things for years. YG sucks ass, and he WILL continue to disappoint you.
The very sad part about this, at the end of the day, we still lose as a fan and YG is winning since we're already sunk in the Blackpink dungeon, my poor girls 😭
To be honest, a lot of these issues you raised have something to do with your expectations and assumptions about what you wanted a Blackpink album to be like, like the arrangement of songs, solo songs or subunit or not, the use of korean traditional music, etc. These are very specific individual preference types of things. Everyone has different expectations and there's no way any album can satisfy everyone's needs. This is what I've seen so far in terms of the general public reactions. People in the west who have never heard of kpop before are drawn to and impressed by Born Pink, especially the first 3 tracks. These tracks also do very well on global streaming platforms like Spotify. Born Pink has actually achieved so much for Blackpink and kpop as a whole just more than a week into its release. I'm not saying your main point that YG is mistreating the girls is invalid, because it is very valid, but what I'm saying is most listeners don't care about that. They care if they enjoy the music or not. And Born Pink seems to deliver, at least so far.
THIS. This is my biggest problem with BLACKPINK haters or criticizers. There is a big difference between not liking a song bc it's not your style and not liking a song because it doesn't perfectly match up with your own specific standards of what it should've sounded like. Like seriously, BLACKPINK are under so much pressure to always put out a song that meets everyone's niche standards and people are never happy. BLACKPINK have never put out a song that was so god awful it was unlistenable, yet people keep trying to act like that's all they put out. Why should BLACKPINK be held up to such a ridiculous standards that other groups aren't held up to? Just bc they're popular. They didn't ask the world to gas them, the world chose to. It's getting kind of annoying and it's so obvious when someone is only disappointed their expectations weren't met rather than just not liking a song
@@samcarmen Tell me about it 😩 the level of standards people hold Blackpink to is ridiculous at this point. I genuinely can't fathom how the girls even deal with that much pressure cuz every time they put out anything, the world can't wait to jump on it and judge them 😢
@@lalisaluhme right. like they have several songs talking about the hate they get. ppl need to realize that they are human beings first and foremost to anything else
EDIT: Apparently some people missed where I said I LIKED the songs and had ZERO problem with Jennie, Jisoo, Lisa, or Rosé. So in case it wasn’t clear, criticism of YG as a company does not equal criticism of Blackpink or it’s members. I like Blackpink a lot which is why I literally dedicated a whole week to them on my channel. Anyway, I appreciate all of you who are being respectful even if you disagree with my opinion.💛 Thanks for watching, friends! Sorry this is a bit late but I hope I made it clear I'm not mad at the girls! 😅 Closed Captions are available btw. Ignoring YG, my faves from Born Pink" are "Shut Down," "The Happiest Girl," and "Yeah Yeah Yeah." What did you think of Born Pink? How do you feel about YG's treatment of them? 💖🖤
Wasn’t it said, and labeled, that Blackpink were creative directors on this album? Does that come into play when making songs, designs, MV layouts and what goes in the album? Or is this kind of just a not really useful role for Blackpink to have in this album? A lot of fans say they’ve a lot of creative freedom, but then backtrack to say they’re “mistreated” and incredibly talented, just unknown. It’s really confusing because, apparently, creative director is supposed to mean something big but it seems you’re saying what’s put out is not so much their choice. How can one tell that Big Bang, Treasure and such have all this freedom and not Blackpink? The concern being: what if Blackpink just aren’t capable of managing work given to them and aren’t able to produce, write or create works like this, only sing and perform. That could be why YG is so strict, because they’re not quite capable of making their own work. It’s YG’s company and his money that’s got to be taken out and he needs cash in return. If the male groups can do better at making their own work that could be why they have so much freedom and opportunities for themselves. There doesn’t seem to be that many women creating their own works in Kpop it seems. This could be a result of them not wanting to take the role or being poor at it, no?
@@bretxavier9305 An argument could be made, easily, that for as long as women are not given the same opportunity as men, due a preconceived notion that they are less capable, that THEY WILL be less capable, due to lack of opportunities to DO and to learn. This happens, ALL THE TIME. Those who holds power decide what is true, and act based on this assumptions, fulfilling their own prophecy as a result. If you think women are bad drivers, you won't let them drive due to safety concerns, so they do not drive as often, and when they do, they won't be as good. No?
@@HailToTheMeep That’s a philosophical way of looking at it, but doesn’t necessarily add anything to what was brought up. YG most likely gave women freedom with capabilities to make choices themselves, but didn’t make the cut because they performed poorly. It’s a slightly delusional idea to want idols to write, produce, create, design everything for their work because not many can do it. These idols weren’t chosen for their ability to make music, but to perform. When the Blackpink members put in lyrics it tends to be the very basic of words, poor English or basic word English despite wanting it to be in English industry, and extremely simplistic. It showcases their lack of ability to write, not saying YG’s great, but they’ve a way to make it flow that Blackpink members don’t have. In closing, no one would just give the members a sudden opportunity to write a song. They’d have to prove themselves, because it’s a company in the end not an art school. These women are in their late 20’s and can’t sound like teenagers writing a sing for the first time. It needs to make money. So there more then likely has been an opportunity for them to prove themselves and they hadn’t passed it,many times. Why would YG want to pay for others to write their music when they can just have Blackpink write it instead? It’s a waste of money unless they can’t make it. Blackpink ultimately signed the contract to be idols and if they didn’t read it, it’s on them. Their parents are far wealthy enough to assist in negotiating or getting out of a bad contract they willingly signed and most likely needed their parents signature on because they’re underage It could just as very easily be argued that they like not making songs, a lot of songs or doing much of the creative work. Considering they’ve had 6 years in their career, people have been pushing them to write and be more involved… it’d be a butt load more in money in it for YG if YG allows them to do this. Which’s begs the question: Are they making works that are just barely capable of making it and don’t show enough capability to actually make a song without heavy assistance? Or are they just not into it and would rather be performing? If YG’s gonna rely on the girls to make their own music, they’ve gotta do it alone like a producer, otherwise YG’s paying the tab *still* for them to make “their own” music with assistance. He can’t train everyone to be a producer, that’s bad for his business and any other record company out there. You’re essentially creating someone who can take your money for training, become a great writer and dip to make money for someone else. That’s why these companies check to give opportunities to their idols, ever so often, to challenge their ability to make music. When you look at statistics, 97.7% of producers are men. This isn’t saying women aren’t given the opportunity, but don’t find it appealing and would rather be performing, designing really anything but producing. So why is it that Blackpink is this special group that is supposed to be amazing at writing, producing and creating their works and yet with all the opportunities YG throws at them, they have practically no songs originating with them and created by them? It’s easily argued that misogyny doesn’t play a part, nor does favouritism or YG’s lack of producing producers. You either want it or you don’t and that’s on the idol. It’s a lot cheaper if YG has the idols making their own work as opposed to the company spending loads to get others music made for them.
I feel that they're not gonna renew, and the management probably wants to make money before they leave. afterall they can't release those tracks if the artists are gone ( unless they pay them as well). that's probably why they even throw in Rose's Solo, so in won't be wasted away in their data banks. just saying.
Thank you for this video! Literally took what I was feeling about the album out of my mind and turned into a video. I really thought that YG might change after this hitaus and would at least give us ten songs. But nope, I let myself become a clown yet again. I had the same thoughts when regarding "The Happiest Girl". I have no idea why she had such a small part in that song when she's literally the Lead Vocalist and trained to be as such. Jennie's official positions are Main Rapper and Lead Vocalist, but she herself stated that she didn't train to be a vocalist and only did so after debut. No hate to Jennie of course, her voice is extremely powerful, but Jisoo's in the group for a reason. Her lower tone would have beautiful on that chorus. Plus, Jennie's the main rapper, so she should rap more often than not, but YG can't even do that I guess. Also, another thing, why is there so much english on this album? This is their second KOREAN studio album, yet only four out of the eight songs are in korean. This was a compliant I had with The Album as well. I understand that Blackpink was created to promote in the western market, but they are a K-pop group from South Korea! International K-pop fans don't want english albums, we want k-pop albums. It really irked me that half the album was English, plus along with the english in the Korean songs themselves. What did you think about this? And I agree with your sentiments on Rose's solo song track. It was beautiful and she sang her heart out. But why was on this album? It should've been apart of her solo comeback rather the group's. And you're right about it reflecting poorly on Rose as many people are already blaming her even thought she wasn't the one who chose the final tracklist. Also, I felt that alot of the songs were over before they began, you know? The songs, like "Typa Girl" and "Shut Down", just end after the second chorus with a small instrumental outro. It just feels really lazy to me. I'm really concerned about what's going to happen when Blackpink's contracts expire and renewal negotiations start. I hope the girls are ready to enter the battlefield and take what they rightfully deserve from that company. However, knowing YG, I wouldn't hold my breath. I want them to continue, of course I do, but I dont't think it would beneficial for them in the long run as idols and artists. Overall, I really liked video! And sorry for the long comment, but I had to get that off my chest.
the point about international fans wanting kpop albums is sooo true, atleast for me!!! i mean 1 full English song seems fun cuz we can sing along to it but mostly we’re in it for the Korean music- the language is the main appeal of kpop its what makes kpop kpop & we love that!
Thank you for commenting, I appreciate it and agree with a lot of what you said too. The fact that Jisoo is on this record in such little capacity is so strange. Like she's IN Blackpink FOR A REASON. She deserves more recognition for her talents. The amount of English didn't bother me a whole lot because I kind of get that Blackpink is YG's in with the Western market but it would've been nice if more of them had Korean parts, I absolutely agree! I mean K-Pop artists have fully Japanese and Chinese language music so it's not a big problem for me personally but I definitely wish that a Korean language album had more Korean ON IT. hahaha I am hoping for the best for the girls and they really enter negotiations with amazing bargaining chips because I don't want Blackpink to end but I also will support what they choose to do!
"but she herself stated that she didn't train to be a vocalist and only did so after debut" not true: Weekly idol 1st appearance "i'm above average at singing and rapping", she start rapping cause she spoke english.
Don't really follow BP as most their title tracks are not really my taste but are you really bashing on the best song on the Album? In Shutdown everyone rapped, in The Happiest Girl everyone sang. What is your issue with the music? I didn't like BP music before but I felt this album was really globally friendly, its definitely easily to listen to for a wider audience and given BP popularity globally, I feel their music starting to reflect that instead of just focusing on k-pop style sound exclusively. Their singles on this album and title track were all k-pop and the rest sounded really western. So there's something for everyone
Just something to ponder, does quantity fares better than quality in long term? I wouldn't say so. I think this album is perfectly fine, 8 is easy to digest and memorized, yes there's song specifically only for marketing, some for general audience while some are very mature.i also feel it's kinda a bit strange to include rosie solo and refuse other song (eg Ryan tedder) while Jisoo hasn't even get a solo yet.but it still fine I love the new approach that includes mix of hip hop with synth pop to powerful ballad and then a guitar riff theme song. But my only desire is to see BP in an acoustic version of the album, or even artistical freedom session. Also I'm really2 anticipating Jisoo Solo or even collab, her voice is too unique to be ignored, and I'm tired of saying Jisoo needs a collab with someone like Utada Hikaru or Shiina Ringo from Japan coz her accent suit them better.
Yeah, you must have quality. But quantity also plays a role, blackpink as of now has only 31 original Korean songs, rest are remixes, and they're a 6 year old group. When there is such less quantity even if we get quality music it still falls short of the mark.
Thoroughly appreciated this video! I thought I was crazy for a while feeling mostly confused by the album lol...but now I feel incredibly validated 💕I have noticed that you mainly focus on kpop but I would love to hear your through perspective on Beyonce's Renaissance album!
I had low expectations for born pink since I really didn't like pink venom that much, but I ended up enjoying the album. That said I definitely had the frustration of born pink being called an album when there are EP's that run longer than it. Rose didn't need a solo on this and I hate when albums include ad songs on albums. yeah yeah yeah is a banger though loved it!
Jonathan you express my thoughts about Yg and Blackpink. Jisoo has one of the most interesting voices in Kpop industry and they treat her bad . Thanks God to have a solo of her to hear her magical voice
I thought an obvious display of lack of creative effort is the MV order for this promotion. It should have gone Ready To Love (an example of their old music that fans know has been around forever) to Shut Down (since they are literally shutting down their old eras... start the MV with then walking off the RTL "set" then same MV but end it with them opening the door to Pink Venom) then to Pink Venom (Pink Venom should have been last since it's the "new" Blackpink.. they should have entered the MV as the first new door on the next level). That's something so simple and it winds up giving the material more of a story and anticipation for the next release. They just keep choosing to do the bare minimum.
You should know YG by now! YG girlgroups are not trained to be self-producing group because they have TEDDY to produce the music. The Album was great! really stayed true to the title “Born Pink”. BlackPink isn’t BlackPink right now because of YG. Same with the Past girl group of the company 2NE1 are still Legend up to this day with their songs still charting to this day! QUALITY over QUANTITY. I’ve been a fan of YG since 2009 and no one compares to YG girl groups till this day.
Jisoo did not originally wanted to be an idol but actress. I guess few years she will be more popular as an actress not an idol. I love Jisoo. ♡ Let's wait maybe she will get her solo song next year.
i just want blackpink to leave yg and set up their own careers and be successful. they DON'T deserve to be locked up in the yg dungeon and have all their talents and potential go to waste
Wasn’t it said, and labeled, that Blackpink were creative directors on this album? Does that come into play when making songs, designs, MV layouts and what goes in the album? Or is this kind of just a not really useful role for Blackpink to have in this album? A lot of fans say they’ve a lot of creative freedom, but then backtrack to say they’re “mistreated” and incredibly talented, just unknown. It’s really confusing because, apparently, creative director is supposed to mean something big but it seems you’re saying what’s put out is not so much their choice. How can one tell that Big Bang, Treasure and such have all this freedom and not Blackpink? The concern being: what if Blackpink just aren’t capable of managing work given to them and aren’t able to produce, write or create works like this, only sing and perform. That could be why YG is so strict, because they’re not quite capable of making their own work. It’s YG’s company and his money that’s got to be taken out and he needs cash in return. If the male groups can do better at making their own work that could be why they have so much freedom and opportunities for themselves. There doesn’t seem to be that many women creating their own works in Kpop it seems. This could be a result of them not wanting to take the role or being poor at it, no?
I must disagree with you. I think this is misogynistic. CL was a co-producer and songwriter for 2ne1 since debut and was never credited. Minzy was going to be a solo artist but YG put her in the group, she's even the only member who didn't do something solo during their time together. Jennie was also going to be a solo artist. They have not wanted to reveal Lisa's sales and it may be because she is a foreign member. Rosé had to spend all night preparing to create her album and it shows that she participated in the creation, because otherwise they would have given the flatter and more boring colors to her physical album. Like they did with Jennie. Who is probably going to sing only SOLO for the rest of her life. Don't let me start with Jisoo it's more than obvious that YG always put her aside. The photos for their albums have always been the flattest. Specially with kill this love they literally put red paper on the wall. LOL. I must admit that Born Pink's photos were great and they deserve nothing less. You don't have to be smart to realize that something is wrong.
Oh were they creative directors for this album?? I was unaware of that at the time of making this video and I really tried looking for their input but I guess I didn’t find the sources for that. That does affect my opinion and I appreciate you bringing that up. 🙏🏻 There are actually quite a few women in kpop producing and songwriting (Soyeon of G-Idle, Purple KISS is a self-composing group, etc.) so I think they want to. It’s just a different dynamic. :)
@@JonathanMillerMusic Just curious how this changes your outlook on things? How this would change your view from what you stated in the video. It does say on their album that Blackpink are labeled as “Creative Directors” Not sure how important this role could be, considering some of the views towards YG and Blackpink are that they do not have much control over any of their content. The belief held here is that Blackpink doesn’t have much input due to their lack of creativity, lack of ability to do so or lack of interest. That last one is solely because the producing and creating in music is overwhelming male and this is because women aren’t as interested. Not to say women can’t or won’t chose the field, but women don’t hold much interest in making their content for entertainment as men do. There’s plenty of fields dominated by men, plenty by women. This doesn’t mean the opposite can’t come in and work in it though. It’s hard to believe YG is solely working against Blackpink because of misogyny or just sheer jealousy in their popularity. Correct if wrong, but it’d cost him far less to have a group that can produce, create and style themselves, rather than constantly hire or utilize his own employees he’d had to overwork and overpay when they’ve other projects. If Blackpink had the ability to do so they’d have been on it from the get. This isn’t to say they can’t earn the rights to do so through experience and get up their where the other producers are. But Blackpink’s been present for maybe 3 years of their 6 year career. There’s so much experience missed in that time that could have easily given them the ability to be creative directors from the start… but if YG has to rely on others to make their content while using the same people to assist in their other groups for content, it could put a strain on things.hence the long wait times, plus “quality over quantity” Being a creative director could just be a title, it could actually mean what it’s suppose to mean and they have control. They’ve (Blackpink) mentioned how much control they’ve had before, so this is why it seems they really may just be uninterested, unqualified (for now/in the past) or unable to come up with something creative at the pace other artists have. Not sure if you’ll respond, your takes are quite thought provoking and was hoping to post a comment to add to the discussion of whether or not Blackpink’s being kept in the dungeon by YG or they’re keeping themselves in the dungeon. After all, half their time being in the game has been spent promoting brans, doing photos shoots, limited interviews, going to fashion show etc. really anything but producing music. They’ve so few songs, if YG wants money it’s hard to believe they’d keep their money maker away. To be honest, to add this one bit, the kpop industry has been changing for some time now. It’s a brutal one, specially it being in Korea where work and studies are taken far more seriously than in the west. They’ve taken from the west in many ways and thus drawn eyes from it to watch them which seems to have made them soften a lot of what they once did. Changing and adapting so it’s more acceptable. YG’s treatment of 2NE1 was semi understandable with the scandal and the backlash of the public but also not. Not saying the scandal was justifiable, but with Koreas cultures it absolutely throws a wrench in things. People can change a lot, but Korea Hans a culture, much like the west and it has to be respected to a degree like any other. Changes only take time and can’t happen over night. Like all these other companies, it’d be a stain on their record that keeps spreading if they only continued the mistreatment or accused misogyny going forward. Specially with the internet and more people being involved, it takes only one person to make a video that shows what’s actually happening behind the scenes. Showing one’s true colours and exposing the real bad sad of YG. That being said, things are always misconstrue in the media to make it seem far worse than it is. That’s why it seems counterproductive for YG to continue his past actions that lead him to take money, hire people for some parties etc. People change, so do companies and with YG holding auditions globally and putting himself out there, if the past was true and it continues people wouldn’t join or stay. Blackpink have more than enough money to break their contracts and pay off the fee. That’s a,k they need to get out, is the cost of the obligatory fee to leave. They’ve expressed their appreciation for him, where as other groups go against their company and speak out. That seems like a slight sign that not all is as it seems. But as you said, you’re familiar with the industry and it’s quite interesting to hear what your take is then change views to figure the most logical explanation as to what could really be happening. Pardon the long post, TH-cam only allows typing, otherwise it’d be shorter lol
I agree on your opinion on how the sequencing of the 8 songs should be. It would be better for the Happiest Girl to be the last song on the list. Maybe YG dont want it to be like the one they did in "The Album" were their last song was also a ballad. Yeah yeah yeah is also, for me, like a 80's vibe song. Since they already did the 80's vibe like fading outro and other stuff....why didnt they make that song longer. Before during the 80's and 90's songs are more than 3:30 to 4:30 mins long. :) They even have as long as 6-9 mins long :)
I'm really glad you talked about how the tracks are ordered bc I was thinking the same things Starting with Pink Venom, then going to Shut Down and THEN Typa Girl set me up for something that Born Pink wasn't. The rest of the album was dull to me on my first full listen bc of the nonsensical ordering
About YG's girl groups lack of albums/songs, it's because Teddy is the one with the control (unlike YG's boy groups who usually produce their own albums) both 2ne1 and Blackpink songs are all producer by Teddy. And dont forget my girl Somi 😅 I think YG's new girl group will not be handled by Teddy anymore, cannot imagine
YG needs to stop their mentality of "quality over quantity". I missed them, and I'm still missing blackpink because this album just felt like nothing :(
Although I'm not a fan of pinks, since I known K-pop two years ago, there's always the question in my mind as to why YG doesn't debut self produce girl group? Even their previous girl group had the same problem, a lot of people say that because they have a songwriter like Teddy, but Teddy has worked with GD as an co_composer for BigBang, and there's been no problem, in fact, it's caused Big Bang more power, why isn't the same system used for girl group's? Why don't they train girls to be real artists??
I do agree on some of the parts you said, one of my issues is that I wish YG give girl groups to have the albums to be 12-14 songs instead of 8 cuz Born Pink does have some missing tracks that would balance the genre of the album, even though I love Born Pink album it needs more tracks. Also, Ryan Tedder mentioned that he worked with them for the next album, and I'm so gutted it's not part of Born Pink cuz I want to listen to it in Born Pink album so bad
I just wonder, is there any body cringe of their songs in english?coz i do..as if it pushed to be in english to cater american people but the whole thought of the lyrics in those melody doesn't fit.. As in they already have the melody of the song and they just put any english words to fit in that melody that in the end its sound cringe. I don't agreeing to give full english songs to be more appealing to the west since subtitles are now widely available and speaking of promoting south korean culture and being proud where you came from contradicts that.
i agree with everytjing you've said. especially with the solo. the solo threw me off cause i was looking for the other girls voices & confused me a bit. there was not enough room in the tracklist for the songs to feel somewhat connected. & yeah yg using the same formula makes this album feel bland. im tired of being given the bare bare minimum just to keep a dumb title of record breaker.
The fans waiting more than 2 years for their comeback, but only get an album with less than 10 songs. But the album cover have multiple version probably more than the songs in the album. Probably some blink will buy all of them. But I feel that YG just want to get money from the group popularity without focusing showing their talent and improvement after no comeback for 2 years.
If BLACKPINK decides to transfer to another company, they aren't allowed to use the name *'BLACKPINK'* anymore, because YG Ent. owns that name. Meaning the girls would have to think of a new name for their group under a new company.
I don’t think they would be able use their stage names either (yeh, even if it’s your real name you’re not allowed to use it in commercial purposes unless you buy it back or pay for it).
That's true I think they also own their stage names that's very sad. I don't think the girls will leave YG, but I really hope they all realize how valiant they are and start demanding their rights as artists when it's time to renew.
@@MeryKeit CL got her stage name and her channel. I'm not sure about the legal process behind that but if Blackpink do need to buy their names back then they have the money to do so.
@@MeryKeit The only way to "own" a stage name is through trademark law. (Copyright laws do not apply.) But there are a lot of limitations and it would be difficult for YG to own their actual names. Even just the name "Lisa" for example probably cannot be controlled by YG through trademarking because there already have been a number of entertainers in music who use the name Lisa. YG registered the name Lalisa Manobal, primarily to be able to legally go after bootleggers and cheap merch makers who otherwise may try to make unofficial merch using her name. But I doubt that YG would or could prevent Lisa herself from using her own name commercially. The other members also have names that are not unusual and not easily owned and controlled by trademark, so I don't think they would have much problem taking their names with them. The group name "Blackpink" and their Blackpink discography would be a different matter and YG could probably play hardball with those things. But it would depend on how amicably they parted ways. YG hasn't done anything at all to prevent Lee Hi from using the same stage name that she used when she was at YG, transferred all of her youtube channel and contents to her and has never prevented her from performing her own songs.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lisa leaves! YG still hasn't updated her album sales since february! Every month her album sales on Gaon chart is '0' while the other members solo album sales gets updated every month! They scammed her once, I wouldn't be surprise if they are doing her dirty again!
I know! 😔 I talked about that in my Lisa Deep Dive video. It makes no sense as to why her album sales aren’t being updated. I hope that gets fixed ASAP because it’s really not ok to do to her. :(
Poor sales... 🥹
The idea of Lisa leaving is just crazy and it sounds very akgae. YG and their producer Teddy just gave her an unpredecent MTV award. You want song sale numbers for what, are you an YG share holder? Or you just want it to boast over the other members... which happens to be another akgae thing. The truth is she's not worried about it at all, it's just you. The pinks just want people to enjoy their songs.
@@gamblerfls you don't rise by bringing others down...it makes no sense for everyone else's songs to be updated and not hers. If they really wanted to make it about no girl standing out above the other, they'd stop tracking the sales of all their solo songs
@@zigwai319 the fact the numbers aren't public doesn't mean Lisa isn't being updated about them. And to her it matters very little really. All songs belong to YG.
Blackpink from 2016 - 2022 has less than 30 total songs. BTS has way over 200 songs in the same amount of years, from 2014 - 2020. That is wild 😧
BTS has 200 songs? And I only remember 4 songs. 🤣
While BP' songs are infectious and I can still remember every song they release since 2016. And I'm not even a blinky blink. Don't like their fandom. Just the music.
Wait i thought they had 27 songs...
BP has 27+ and BTS has 300+ .
@@cl7910 infectious? More like overplayed?
@@cl7910 ohh that's because you don't listen to bts i do and all of them are unique at their own place and amazing and dude blackpink song mostly sound the same t , i didn't wanna fight but seriously what you're saying is your realllly wrong unpopular opinion
I think bp is just a brand, yg and teddy always talked about having a strong and powerful concept for bp (and other gg) but they never talk about the songs' meaning or articity, i think the girls like their own concept but maybe some of them will leave the company after the tour (i feel like rose wants more rn idk), but Yg is yg.
Agreed. YG feels like a company that exists to sell and be rich and famous instead of also being there because they love music and want to make meaningful, varied, and creative music. The music feels kind of souless.
That's actually really true, YG entertainment in my opinion cares more about A Girl Groups Image, Money and other stuff more than music, I mean look at the lyrics of most blackpink song they mostly talk about how they are Filty Rich and They are always the best (I'm not tryna send hate cuz I'm a blink too) I feel like YG doesn't actually care about the girls nor their talent but on other stuffs like yk how I mentioned on top of my comment. I hope that Blackpink just gets more fair treatment and if not then I feel like slowly the members might start leaving the group. Also I forgot to mention is that they only allow limited talent for our girls, like I believe that Jisoo, Rose, Lisa, Jennie they have a lot more in their talent by YG restricts it :(
Yeah rośe is passionate about music and honestly I'd be happy seeing her do her own thing
She has potential for good music considering her solos were okay
i think what's sad is, as somebody who was there throughout 2NE1's last years as a group, seeing how YG failed them so miserably, every fuck up i see with blackpink i don't even get mad at, i just look at with resigned acceptance. YG is truly "if it ain't broke (or more accurately if you've conditioned fans so hard they'll buy into a group no matter what so even IF you're monetarily broke or morally bankrupt they can bail you out), don't fix it."
what scares me is what this reusing of formula, and what this marketing strategy might mean for blackpink and their legacy in the future. i have seen 2NE1 dragged through the mud from, at best, unfairly representing their music for bait in petty fanwars to outright erasing their legacy as if they weren't one of the top groups, not just girl groups, but groups of their time, period. they were known as digital monsters back in the day, no one in their right mind who's known kpop for this long would deny them their flowers, and yet, due to YG's own mishandling, it happens all the time. feels very similar to sm erasing the legacy of f(x), refusing to mention them at any turn. it scares me that, no matter how many records they break now, the same fate could befall blackpink. all that work from both the girls and the fans just for them to go out with their history leaving a bitter taste in everyone's mouths
whew. that was depressing. i don't like to doompost but i would be lying if i said i don't see signs of history repeating itself
Dammm…..You Blackjacks will never stop crying and blaming YG for 2ne1 s foolishness and stupidity that got them disbanded.
So you want people to believe that YG , having one of the most successful GG then , bringing in millions to his company , at the top of their game , suddenly decided to disband the group because…….he doesn’t like the money that much…….really …..any sensible person would know there is more to it than that. But you would or could never be truthful and give the facts, which is they did it to themselves. First Bom with her having drugs mailed to her , which although legally prescribed by a physician in the US , is illegal in SKorea and it was done behind YGs back. So her actions put the group and YG in jeopardy. Then while he’s trying to sort that mess out , Minzy decides that she can’t handle the fame and decides to quit, which only recently she revealed yrs later, knowing full well that her fandom, blackjacks were wrongly blaming YG. With the situation the way they were, one member in hiatus due to legal issues , and another one quitting …….there was only half the group to continue. So of course he couldn’t continue with half a group , and he formally did banded them , but he still didn’t throw them away , he gave the remaining two, Dara and CL , solo contracts which they both gladly accepted.
But this is the real injustice……while YG was left with no choice but to debut his long postponed GG ( BlackPink) , to somehow fill the hole that 2ne1 disbandment created , blackjacks , with 2ne1 encouragement, were raging an attack on BlackPink to sabotage their debut and rise.
So history shows how miserable they failed but every now and then , one or two lingering blackjacks would appear and attempt to continue their failed campaign.
Sorry you haven’t resolved this issue still …..but then you need professional help.
BlackPink “ the greatest GG in the World”by multiple sources
Peace
Yeah, YG has an abysmal record for taking care of their artists. I’m glad the members of 2NE1 seem to have found their way to better, healthier situations now, but I’ll never not be bitter about how YG treated them. The long hiatuses and inconsistent treatment of the Blankpink members makes me worry for them.
I think that YG just want BlackPink as a product like just advertising, brand ambassador and all that instead of artists in music 🙃. Good video thank for sharing your thoughts
Thanks for watching! It seems that way sometimes! 🫠
I actually thought Jisoo was the standout for Happiest girl! She has a BEAUTIFUL falsetto, and she showed that she could hit super high notes as well as low ones.
Yes absolutely
I agree, but the auto tune drowned out her voice a little bit. Not saying it's bad, but the production choice is a little bit off.
for me too, her parts were memorable and beautiful while the others sounded plain
@@TechTessellator Can you dance and sing at the same time?
@@jpa9029 I am talking about the official audio for happiest girl. Jisoo's high notes were absolutely beautiful, but it could have been enhanced further if producer just went with raw vocals without autotune or voice overlap.
$50 for a 25 minute album. One song released a month prior, and then one of the songs (ready for love) we already heard monthsss ago….so $50 for 6 songs. The nerrrrrve
I would be extremely shocked if they even renew their contracts honestly
Same. 2023 is definitely gonna be an interesting year for Blackpink to say the least.
Praying for their downfall, many have tried, baby
Lisa and Jennie said they renew already
@@tomar81 ....?
LOL you people actually think the girls get treated badly by yg? they will resign %110, if it wasnt for YG there would be no BP, no other agency could of managed or brought out the talents of the girls, if it wasnt for YG they would probably be singing cute boppy songs, in the end of the day YG and BP are a business they know what to do a lot better then what people on youtube who think they know what to do
This might be too long, but this is how I personally feel about black pink.
When I look at the girls and over the course of 6 years, I think that they are amazing at what they do, but I would hate to be training for 4-6 years and not utilizing my potential to grow as an artist. I understand quality over quantity, but how are you going to grow when you don’t practice and perfect your craft. I think that maybe they are happy, but they worked as trainees to do Music, release bodies of work, and to tell stories through the voices that they trained hard for. When I see they throughout 2 “FULL ALBUMS”, they have only released 16 songs in total, I get disappointed because I want to see growth. It’s great for YG because they are making money, but sucks for them because they aren’t growing. I think the album was nice and ok, but they definitely could have made it a masterpiece if they spent more time on it. Just my two cents, thank you.
and quality can sometimes be questioned especially if most of what they do is filtered/controlled by yg. their growth and artistry for a 6 year old group is kinda slow or stunt 😕
Hard to Love was just impossible to not add to this album. It's just that good.
Jisoo deserves her own solo debut with promotion, MV and spotlight. I don't think it would be a good idea making her solo debut as a side-B on a group album.
100% agree with this. I love the songs in the album itself. I think it actually has the best songs in their discography but YG is still a huge issue here. 8 songs is not acceptable, especially ready for love being there. The difficult thing is that I don't know if its possible for them to get out of YG and stay as a group (I dont know the logistics and specifics of their contract). We know for a fact that the girls want more and they want to be more involved into song making process but I feel like YG has not given the confidence to do that on their own so that might feel more comfortable resigning and repeating this whole process. I really hope they try to negotiate and change up their next contract if they stay with YG. I have a strong feeling they will stay.
Lol
Thank you for this honest review. YG depends heavily on what I like to call scarcity marketing. Keep the fans hungry for more and condition them to be happy with less. Make the members seem exclusive (we all know they weren't allowed to do variety shows for a long time), give the fans criminally small albums, and release them sparsely to build hype and anticipation. It's not fair to the fans and it's especially not fair to the girls.
I 100% agree with everything you said in this video! I really do wish YG wouldn't waste BlackPink's talent and potential the way they do.
Thank you and SAME.
@@JonathanMillerMusic example is typa girl is Lisa solo but it was given to the group, hard to love according to the composer it was a group song but record for rose solo.. it's kinda unfair for jisoo. Yg instead give it to her not rose
@@jadeorlypaler903 the song writer said that HTL was never supposed to be for all the girls
I tried to content myself with 8 tracks and then REALIZING THAT READY FOR LOVE WAS ONE OF THE 8 TRACKS?
Damn. we starving
Ready for love is a banger
@@DUNGSTA RFL is so good but the fact that it was already released for a game, YG rly can't let us have anything for free
@@Veralidainai new to blackpink so it's all new to me 👍
@@DUNGSTA Ready for love was 90% leaked more than a year before its official release. It's not new, fans were asking for it so they made it a commercial for pubg. It's good for promotions but a commercial doesn't deserve a place in an album.
You hit the nail with this review, the songs are not bad in fact I like them all, but there is a part of me that is not satisfied, the album should have had more songs at least two more. These four women are beautiful and talented. I love them and I hope that if they renew they ask for what they deserve as artists.
Thank you! I think some people thought I was saying I hated this album and I wasn’t trying to say that at all! 😭 I really enjoyed the songs and Born Pink has been on repeat all weekend! I just think YG can do better bc the girls deserve it. If they renew I genuinely hope it works out in their favor! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
It was so heartbreaking. For months (since November 2021), blinks have been online BEGGING YG for an update on this album. Every person on youtube was very clear about wanting at least 10+ songs. The track list drops and everyone is suddenly "Okay, it's not what we wanted, but the important thing is that the album is even there" girl what???
And don't even get me started on Jisoo's treatment. They hide her in the choreography, give her no lines in the title track and then give her filler parts on the b-sides meanwhile we still have no update on her solo. Trying to communicate with this company is like talking to a brick wall. I don't want Jisoo to leave Blackpink since they are her family, but YG treats her like the least important member every comeback. If it's so infuriating to us (her fans), how painful must it be for her to always be everyone's last concern?
Thanks so much for this video!
RIGHT?? There was NO WAY YG had no idea people wanted more music. It's trended. People have made countless videos, comments. It's a known thing people want more Blackpink music and a true full-length album. To deliver 8 songs (which under different conditions would be fine but under these, it's not.)
I agree! Why is she always in the background of the choreography???? That girl can DANCE and she never gets to really show it off. If she wants to just do acting and doesn't WANT a solo -that's completely fine!! But maybe communicate that to fans??? hahaha
@@JonathanMillerMusic They definitely have an idea how mad the fans are. Straight from Teddy Park's mouth, "And I know the fans are mad. Like, "We want more and more." We do have a lot in here, but we're very particular with what we put out". It sounds like the "starve and release" approach works well with Blackpink so, even if the fans cry blood, they will just keep doing that. In fact, I think that they love it when the fans are getting mad and being demanding. It creates noise, creates publicity, creates instant promo but it costs them nothing.
agree
Why do you torture yourself? If you don't like it the let it go and leave Blackpink for fans that truly appreciate anything that they give us.
Based on your in-depth knowledge there must be a better girl band for you that won't make you feel disappointed, that have better music producer, better label and management company, that have better vocals and choreography.
We love Blackpink as they are, like a family member. So please don't be a dick and don't ruin our best experience with your negative comments in front of our eyes. You wouldn't do that for your family member because you know it doesn't encourage any improvement but hurt a lot just to hear that I'm not good enough for you.
i don’t know why they didn’t just merge this album with the last one because they could’ve helped each other so much
when the first album was released
Agree that a solo has no place on an 8 track album and the whole starving us of content so they can increase streams and stats on a fewer number of tracks is so frustrating. The tracks do stop abruptly as well and it's frustrating that the tracks are so short to increase streaming. 8 track albums are fine if you're not waiting 2 years for it.
I agree with everything even though I love Blackpink and enjoy Born Pink
Hi new sub here, I just got into Blackpink, and I must say this album felt underwhelming specially considering the time it came out, renaissance just came out and we’re finally returning to listening albums back to back and the release of an EP that’s disorganized (the track list order is all over the place) and gives a feel of a bunch of songs together instead of assembling them in a cohesive way pushes new listeners away. The fact that the album only had 8 songs and one of them I heard a sneak peek on a doc that came out two years ago made the whole thing feel lazy so I can only imagine how the fans that follow the girls since the debut must have felt. I personally think that if the girls were allowed to explore and have a saying in how the album was put together we could have had an amazing sophomore album just like ungodly hour from Chloe and Halle.
(This comment is all over the place but u get the idea)
I've been a fan since they debuted but the songs on born pink were not that good honestly. I liked some of them, but they had lots of random songs on there that kinda didn't make sense to put them together? Idk. I was definitely dissapointed though.
I reordered the tracklist as well just to enjoy the album in a different way:
1. Ready For Love - Transition from The Album to BornPink
2. Shut Down
3. Typa Girl
4. Hard To Love
5. The Happiest Girl
6. Tally
7. Yeah Yeah Yeah
8. Pink Venom - strongest outro
I’ll try to listen to your reorder as well 😍
I suggest you check out the born pink album review from "millennial men" on TH-cam. It made me see the album in a new light.
YESS this is the perfect orrder
Just look at Blackpink's world tour program, YG is using exactly the same plan(stadium capacity, cities, routes, etc.) as they did from 4-5 years ago! That shows how lazy and irresponsible their management team is!
Yeah I am surprised the concert is at the same venue in my state as it was last time, I thought by now they would have upgraded to a bigger venue
I'm happy, very happy actually you validated every point I feel about YGE and branding Blackpink both musically and marketing-wise.
Possible Misogyny
Tracklist restriction
Label Filtering
YGE being on auto-pilot with it's tactics since 2019
Yep Bravo I feel every point here. Thank you for making sure some of us aren't crazy. We want the Best for the group especially after 5 years
Thank you and I feel the same way. I just want what's best for four girls who've trained and worked for so long. They are in such a unique position in the world of music to really elevate the world of K-Pop in the music industry and YG is holding them back. It makes me sad cuz it's not even the girls' fault which I wish more people understood. Hopefully it will get better after contract negotiations -whatever happens.
You all really pay almost 50 bucks, when you can listen to the whole thing for free on TH-cam?
it's more than apparent YG is using BP's fame as advertising mechanism for their fashion brand partnerships more so than giving them a chance to become singers...seems it's easier to make money this way...smh
This was a really great review! Totally on point with YG being the issue. I’m a long time blink and was disappointed when I found out we were only getting 8 songs. I agree the album by itself without knowing the backstory is actually pretty good but I can’t help to have negative feelings towards it when I know what the group offers. Really hope they leave YG too. Any other label would kill to have them and treat them 100 times better. Here’s to hoping
I’m not even a Blackpink fan, but I’m still frustrated at how badly YG is managing them. As far as I can see, Blackpink’s success is in spite of YG’s management, not because of it. The members keep their ship afloat with their own talent and charisma, and I think they could go so much farther if YG would just raise the anchors.
You are so right!! I agree with everything I don’t know why YG treat they biggest moneymaker like this !! After so many years the mistreatment is the same
Right?? Like what are they doing?? Hahaha
Thank you for this review!!
As a Jisoo bias, I’m sad that she hasn’t have a solo yet, and all my friends keep telling me that she has SnowDrop, but in my view, I think as a member of BlackPink, she should have the same chance on having her own solo debut
I’m also glad that you’re pointing out YG’s business marketing strategy on BlackPink, they have lack of content for such talented girls !!
I can understand Jisoo not having a solo, based on the fact that she wanted to be an actress. Sometimes not everyone in the group wants solos, and maybe Jisoo rather have a solo acting gig. But why have so little of her on the track? It’s beyond me.
Absolutely! Also if Jisoo doesn’t want a solo, that is COMPLETELY understandable and awesome but just say that so fans don’t send YG hounding messages trying to help her out. YG’s lack of communication is also an issue 😑😵💫
actually Jisoo didn't say she doesn't want to release a solo song, back in January she was asked by a fan during the fansign and there's a video, she said she already have some songs and she's just need to choose 2 songs from them for her solo debut, and when the fan asked her is she gonna release it this year she said off course, but as u can see yg delayed their cb too much and theres no time to release her solo this year since the world tour gonna start next month
for what i understand jisoo wants to act more..
Her English is not the best. This album is pushing for the world stage.
TQ for your honesty.. If I had pre-ordered this album I would've felt "cheated" !! Frankly I would've bn happy to pay any amount IF the Entire album was worth it🤔. I've bn skipping and unsubscribing many channels lately bcos they seem to be saying what the fans Want to hear...for fear of incurring the wrath of BP fans.... YG , middle finger up!!!
Of course. Like I said most of the time I really enjoy highlighting positive things about the music I review but when I heard Born Pink, it just felt really dishonest to pretend like everything was fine. I think the members are amazingly talented people but YG just keeps doing them so dirty and I just don't understand WHY. haha
Someone finally said it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
hahaha I just heard the album and with everyone asking me for my thoughts on YG, I just felt that I needed to be honest with this one. As a musician myself, it hurts me to see another creative being used like this by a company when they so easily could be WAYYYYY further ahead. It makes no sense.
I have to politely but strongly disagree with you on this one. As you say yourself, the songs are all great and fresh for Blackpink. So your argument is: There are "not enough" songs on the album, they are in the "wrong order" and Jisoo doesn't has a solo or isn't allowed to shine? And your conclusion is, that YG mistreats the girls (even to the point of misogyny)? We shouldn't blame everything we don't like or understand as "YG mistreats Blackpink". Thats just as bad and entitled as a few years back, when fans complained "Jennie is lazy" (when in truth she had health problems). Of course you can like or not like Born Pink as an album. Different tastes, different opinions. Thats fine.
Personally I prefer shorter albums without any filler like Born Pink. We also know that the girls and Teddy are very particular about what they put out and that they work very hard on every single song. Of course as fans we always want more and more. But who is to say, the girls are unhappy with the length?
I also love the order of the songs. For me Born Pink thankfully takes you on a strong thematic journey and has a great message thanks to its specific order. I'm especially happy, that for once the "sad ballad" isn't the "obligatory" last song but an integral part of that journey. We get the emotional hit where it makes sense but we then overcome the sadness and end on a happier even optimistic note ("Ready For Love").
As for Jisoo: Her amazing falsetto is the biggest standout in "The Happiest Girl". In my perception, she overall gets more opportunities on Born Pink to shine than in past releases. Of course I would've loved to have a Jisoo Solo. But maybe it wasn't ready yet or Jisoo wasn't yet satisfied? And wouldn't it be more important what the girls want (or are happier and healthier with) than what we entitled fans demand? We fans always complain about heavily overworked idols, but when they take their time and release fewer songs or releases, we also complain?
Of course we always can discuss if they became the biggest girl group of the world because or despite YG's strategy. I see mostly overwhelmingly positive feedback for "Born Pink" and way less critsicsm than with "The Album" back in 2019, but that might be my filter bubble.
My biggest criticism against YG is the lack of communication, transparency and bad management of expectations to avoid "YG mistreats Blackpink" speculations like yours. I'm also wondering why we didn't get a "Blackpink Diaries 2022" so far. It would've helped to bridge the gap and bring the fans along this journey to this years releases and tour. We're not in the room when or why these descisions are made. So maybe there are good reasons for the lack of a new reality tv show, but please YG, then at least communicate with us fans on whats going on.
Hey! First of all thank you for being so thoughtful with your response, you brought up a lot of great points. Ultimately I agree too that the girls just deserve to be happy and if they are then that’s really all that matters in the end of the day! I absolutely agree though that YG a could at the very least improve on its communication with Blinks. That would probably clear up a lot of confusion! Haha thank you for your input!! 💛💛🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@JonathanMillerMusic Thank you for allowing a constructive discussion of different opinions :)
@@Guthwulf11 absolutely! I always appreciate what others have to say. If I forget to say something like “this is just my opinion and yours may be different and that’s ok” in my video, I try to make sure I ask for your input in the pinned comment. 💛💛 I really appreciate what u have to say!
This is what I was mentioning my friends is not is not that I don't support BP I don't support YG and sadly since they are treating them like tool it makes me uncomfortable as a fan.
I totally get that. It's really hard to explain to others because people either think Blinks are greedy, or overreacting, or a bunch of other incorrect things when that's not the case. It's frustrating. =/
@@JonathanMillerMusic as a follow blackjack this hurts too much
Thank you for putting this into words. YG has been coasting on a "minimum effort, maximum results" mindset ever since they realized the fans were willing and able to do most of the heavy lifting for them. Why put in actual effort promoting the group if fans are going to eat up whatever they put out regardless? Why give Blackpink consistent and multiple comebacks a year if a scarcity mindset (and fans' fear of disbandment) will make YG even more money instead? Once Blackpink had developed a solid enough fanbase and goodwill in their rookie years, YG stopped trying and fans had to pick up the slack.
I wasn't aware how bad this was with 2ne1 until the end of their careers with YG. But in the era of streaming culture, it's gotten much worse with Blackpink, and they deserve so much better than this. I'm not even a fan, but it's so insulting the way YG has stunted their growth. I hope they all leave YG and find thriving careers elsewhere.
New contract coming up soon. Let the girls have creative control. YG, they lead, you follow. Money will flow.
RIGHT?? Agreed. Like if YG would give them just a bit more input or even allow them to try different things the money will still come!!! hahaha
I agree with you so much!! When I saw the tracklist I was like...this is a mini album or EP length...wtf. All this hype and promo for 8 songs (of which 3 were already out and one a SOLO). I just went to the Born Pink tour which was amazing and I'm so thankful I got to see the girls together live, but after seeing their solos live I couldn't help but think they may be happier and release more/better music once their contract is over. I feel like they all have so much going for them and I'd hope they'd still choose to collab with each other sometimes but either way, I'll support all of them in whatever they do. And regarding Jisoo I think at this point she's a bit hesitant and afraid to release a solo because of all the hype and pressure. She's even expressed she doesn't know what genre it would be. She's a perfectionist so I wouldn't be surprised if she's been delaying it as well. I just wish they had more creative freedom in general. Like I said though, I'm excited to see what comes next even if they end their contract and the concert was soo worth the money- they did amazing! YG gave them a platform and hype but now they need to step it up or let them have more control and a say in things
also in an ideal world, this is what I would think a perfect tracklist/song choice would be -
Shut Down
Pink Venom
Typa Girl
You & Me (Jennie's new solo for whatever reason WASN't PUT ON THIS ALBUM)
Hard to Love
Happiest Girl
(Jisoo Solo)
Tally
Money - Lisa ( i feel would fit into this line up!)
(New track that doesn't exist)
Yeah Yeah Yeah (this was one of the last songs they did at the show and. I think it's a great outro minus the fade out)
(ready for love doesn't fit imo)
It is frustrating when you're a fan of YG female artists, know what they are capable of...and see YG sitting on them and limiting them from showing the full range of artistic expression that you know is possible. Does anyone doubt that they could create some massively popular ballads with complex 4-part harmonies? I'm sure that they can. But I'm equally sure that going anywhere in that direction is not something that YG will likely ever let happen for them.
Lee Hi could have easily been an OST queen when she was at YG (and there were strong indications that offers and proposals were frequently made to YG, but most often rejected)...even during 3-year hiatus periods when she literally had nothing else going on. One time, she did an OST for a TV show. It was heard in the TV show and was wildly popular. People who wanted to listen to it had to do so by seeing uploaded videos of the clip from the TV show episode...because for some reason that was never explained, YG refused to release it as a song. (IIRC, it was the only song from the TV show OST that was not included in the OST soundtrack album. As usual, YG never bothered to even give an explanation. )
I always have mixed feelings about YG. It's thanks to YG, that we know who Jisoo, Jennie, Rosé and Lisa are. After they debuted, YG did several things right, including making shows like Blackpink House --- and that showcased the adorableness of the members that so many people have fallen in love with. But YG also limits them in ways that make no sense.
Great review. I appreciate your honesty. Your channel is very informative and I have learned a lot about the way the music industry works from watching your videos. Thanks!
I liked the album for the most part but it left me wanting more. Like it definitely feels like Born Pink was supposed to have more songs on it. (And according to Ryan Tedder, it was supposed to have more tracks on it cause he co-wrote some of the tracks with Jennie and Rosé). I agree with you about the order of the tracklist feeling off, Like the album definitely could’ve flowed better. Also I agree with the sentiment that if there were more tracks on the album, people wouldn’t have felt minded Rosé having a solo. Like it’s a good song and she did well on the track, But since there are only 8 songs on the album I can get why people wouldn’t really go for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if songs were removed from the tracklist and instead if shifting the order around to make more sense dynamically, They just let it be how it is 💀
Oh absolutely! I’m quite certain there are many tracks out there floating around cuz typically kpop groups will record many many songs before narrowing it down. I just hate that YG essentially set Rosé up to get criticized for something she didn’t choose when it absolutely could’ve been a cool moment *if* there were more songs on the album. I’m not saying it had to be like a 20 song record but at least 10-12 would’ve given it some more life. Haha
Never had any producer spoiled something before any release - NDA probably?
Plus if the song they produced is not in line with the Born Pink lineup why keep insisting to be included if it is not his decision to do so. From what I guess, links with Lady Gaga & Selena & Ariana through UMG (their Western label) hence they were included in The Album just like Lovesick Girls who had a touch of David Guetta.
They might have only included the tracks they like to perform infront of Blinks again after pandemic - some The Album songs have not yet been performed + Rosé & Lisa - what I mean is World Tour and not just for radio play or stream and sales.
@@JonathanMillerMusic I heard that a live album may come out after the tour and several new songs may be added. Based on how an audience receives their performance the tracklist may not be so "offensive". Every interview I have heard from the women contradicts the widely assumed theory that they are being mistreated.
Took the words right out of my mouth!! You covered basically every issue a lot of Blinks have with the company and the way the girls are treated. YG has left SOOOOOO much money on the table, and for what?!? Did they not learn from their own history? The company would have remained financially stable even after all the turmoil & scandals that have happened within the company the last few years. You briefly mentioned misogyny... I had hoped that having a female CEO in place would lead to better handling of BP, but it seems like the same old story. It seems like she is just a figurehead/puppet with the old regime maintaining the status quo behind the scenes. I really hope the girls play hardball with YG at the negotiating table. BP has done so much for the company, and I'm sure the girls are grateful to the company for the opportunity, but they deserve the chance to have more freedom & input in their own brand and music at this point in the game. I will support them regardless if they stay or decide to leave for another company, but at this rate I don't think BP will be able to reach their potential staying at YG..
I agree with your views on the album. Loved most of the tracks on the album, but I was left with a feeling of wanting more. A lot of the tracks are barely 3 minutes in length. 2 years of waiting and we get 8 tracks barely totaling 25 minutes in length? Though I suppose YG 'spoiled' us with 1 solo mini per year each containing 2 songs 😅 I'm not that upset with the English tracks. I thought this was actually a smart move since they are one of the only KPop groups with many proficient English speakers. Perfectly fusing Kpop with Western. I remember hearing Teddy talk once about how the lyrics for songs are sometimes composed in English and then translated into Korean, but due to rhythm flow or loss of meaning decided to keep it in English to maintain its intended impact. Just my thought when listening to 'Tally' since they drop some profanities in the song (maybe commonplace for Western, but too 'offensive' in Korean). Not hating on the girls. I love them and I think they sounded really good with a lot of the songs being bops but all the extraneous stuff with YG has left a sour taste in my mouth.
Hey Jason! Always good to hear from you. :) Thank you, I just don't understand what they're doing over there, even factoring in cultural and business differences. I mean Blackpink IS generating them tons of money but still. I was really hoping when Hwang Bo-Kyung took over that BP in particular would get some more attention and activity, like you said, but it's just so strange that they are still held in this weird limbo of mega-activity and then crickets -and not like the standard comeback/going away of activities in kpop. It's really a different thing with Blackpink that is so hard to put into words and describe to your average listener. It's so complicated! 😵💫
Oh absolutely. That's why I didn't bring up the English thing, like I just kind of accept that it's part of Blackpink now. Which is another reason I really hoped for more Korean traditional music on the record. It could've been soooooo cool! I know a lot of Kpop songs start as English demos so it's actually quite nice to hear them as they might have been originally intended... but like you said. YG's treatment just makes everything feel... icky. hahahaha
@@JonathanMillerMusic oooo that would have been a really nice change of pace to introduce more traditional Korean instruments into their music! I've seen Chinese hiphop/pop artists like Wang Leehom and Jay Chou do that to much success so it would have been very cool to see Blackpink do that to contrast the electronic sounds that is prevalent these days. I was really hoping Jisoo would get a bigger spotlight to shine this time as a preview to a possible future solo project. After hearing some of her lines in Ready for Love, her flawless visuals in Pink Venom, and even rapping (😳!!!) in Shut Down, I thought she would get to showcase her unique voice in the rest of the tracks. But as is the case, we are left wanting more although she has another writing credit under belt with 'Yeah yeah yeah.' Nothing against the others, but as the 'lead vocalist' she should have more opportunities than she was given. Just goes to drive your point about YG even more!
bro if you expect more go Stan the other girl groups!!1 YG is Yg and we or you or the host of the video won't change it! so all of you should suck it and move on! YG is been like this for years and the company won't change for all of you complaining...just saying
Kxll this love was their last great work. After that: lovesick girls 🙄, ice cream chilling chilling 🙄, how you like that ... And now if we talk about the plagiarism........... 🙄🤦🏻♂️🥱🥱🥱 I mean YG is paying someone to create"original" songs for them, right? But when you listen to them you recognize immediately that one BP song is made of small pieces of other 3-4 songs.... Come on!!!!!!! And now, yes! After two years "the album" is just another EP full of songs that do not have any relation to each other...............
Someone give this man Teddy’s number 🤣 I completely agree that NayG (YG) is a complete mess of a company, it’s not about scandals or mistreatments or any of that gossip, it’s just straight up the inability of maximizing the return on the talent they have at their disposal. The company’s structure too doesn’t seem able to sustain the level of operation they are expected to work at. Word is that recently NayG has reorganized more like JYP, with task forces expected to work on/with specific artists to expedite the process. I do think that’s a good move but I do also think the company should expand their producer portfolio because with BP for example it’s still always the same names floating around and that’s not creating a creative environment that can come up with new ideas.
I don't get why they didn't add 5 more songs like Jennies new Solo, an added song for Jennie, a Lisa Solo and finally two Solo songs for Jisoo. Bam! 12 songs.
Disagreed
Jisoo just like others deserved a good solo debut
Like a separate promotion from grp promotions
WHY should her solo be a part of an album by BP ?
I hope after this world tour they wont go for another hiatus. I would be so damn pissed at YG if they let the queen go for another hiatus. Im not going to wait for another 2 years for an album with just 8 songs.
They need a break after this tour. They deserve it.
They need a little break of sorts after the tour though. I want more from them yes, especially after their touring ends...but if it's at the expense of their health, I'm not down for that. So maybe a short break and then hopefully more from them 🙏
@@lalalalisa41 i dont mind if they are taking a short break. Yes they deserve it. But 2 years or more is too long for another album release with just 8 songs. Its just not worth the wait for me.
@@DUNGSTA Yes they deserve it. A short break is good enough. But not hiatus like 2 years or more. Thats too long.
@@oda4766 Well, we'll just have to see because ultimately it is up to them with the time in between new songs 😅
Personally for me, 2 years is nothing in terms of wait lol. I'm used to waiting a long time for a lot of things so it's okay for me.
Ready For Love should not be included in Born Pink album because it is from another category different from other traks: animated music video; is a teaser concept awarded by MTV 2022 separately from other K-pop categories and was released on both of Blackpink and PUBG Mobile's official TH-cam channels
you said everything so well. it really saddens me but this album was my last straw. i can't let myself be a blink that supports anything they put out while being under YG out of respect for the girls. i love and wish them the freest future possible. i am and will always be excited to receive what they have to offer then.
Jisoo is my favorite member so it kinda sucks that she doesn't get a lot of lines but I guess that makes her the group's hidden gem lol
Jonathan with all due respect....it's also about "overworking them"
like they are cattle for the masses to do whatever/say whatever....their contracts with the industry is both fair and unfair depending on perception ...if/when established artists have spoken out already about the issues...
It really makes you wonder what the girls themselves feel about this and what they would say if they were allowed to freely speak their mind about YG
As much as I want them to release music casually, i think there's something this formulated shit that YG was trying to do with their group. Recently their one sunbaenim group left that company because of lack of musical freedom. I'll just leave the rest for my girls if they still want to stay at YG. Would still love them no matter what.
Maybe there's more after Shutdown/Bornpink, we might see a new kind of Blackpink we just have to wait and support them. No matter what I will always support them.
Me too, I will support them! I've seen people say maybe there will be a repackage album (which would be cool) I just hope it works out for the best because the girls deserve it! :))
Seems like more bad words. Bad for kids...
Everyone insists that YG is so bad for Blackpink, but that may not be the case. I would love to hear more songs from the group but YG provides them with:
1. large video budget
2. world-wide touring schedule
3. successful music and video production team
4. a chance to do solo work
5. the girls are millionaires, so they must be compensated properly
6. a chance to pursue outside interest
7. a successful marketing strategy, look at other Korean groups, no one is as profitable as them (ex. BTS)
8. successful promotion in western markets
9. a comfortable work environment. They're certainly not overworked musically, Jennie seems to be allowed to date, Jisoo is allowed to act (in a controversal movie) and they get the best collaborators.
10. a chance to select the songs they do, including controversial language and topics.
The fans don't get a lot of perks, but the girls seem to be happy. Maybe we are falsely accusing YG of mistreatment.
I was a bit annoyed my physical cd had the swearing censored on it :|
I'm praying that mine won't be censored 🥲. Apparently some are and some aren't censored. I think it depends what country you're in? But I'm not sure
One year on....the shoe is on the other foot. The BP girls are now holding the cards and can do as they wish.
During World War 2, there were a group of women pilots who assisted in the war. When the died in combat, their bodies were sneaked into the country, so people did not know there were women pilots fighting along side their men. For fear of demoralising their men with the idea that their women were fighting and dying for them, and in some instances, saving them. The survivors were quietly returned to the their kitchens, to play the doting wives, to keep their men's spirits up. MAYBE IT IS KINDA LIKE THAT WITH YG!!!
These girls are millionaires, models, actresses, known throughout the world, and most importantly - happy. They have cars, planes, homes, clothes, awards, jewelry, etc -but you feel you can make them more successful? Why do you think you know more what's in their hearts and minds than they do? We all think they are mistreated, but they love Teddy and they get to work as solo artists. Other Korean artists work more often but they are not more successful. YG must be doing something right. Maybe they have a different value system than you.
My video was literally about their mistreatment, not the girls themselves. I stated this several times throughout the entire video.
@@JonathanMillerMusic I know YOU believe they are being mistreated, but do THEY believe they are being mistreated. The inner workings of their work relationship may not be obvious to any of us.
Having money is different than feeling treated rightfully as an artist. After years of the essential slave labor trainee program, they deserve to live out every dream they have as ARTISTS, not just “rich celebrities”
@@mariahg6146 I think fans view Blackpink's treatment selfishly. We don't get enough songs so we view that as YG's fault. It may be true, but before we hang the executives we should quiz the artists. Maybe they approve of the way they are being managed. They are not only successful monetarily but also in sales, popularity, alternative careers, awards, and some freedoms. Let them decide if they are happy with their arrangement - not outsiders.
@@martindavis6067 im simply responding to *your* post about “planes (they don’t actually have planes, rent perhaps), cars (not allowed to drive), jewelry, awards, etc. as a measure of success. All I was saying is that after ALL of these years of blood, sweat, loss, and tears, I’m sure having 2 small albums isn’t what they were expecting as artists. They weren’t allowed to sign their name to anything, create anything, write anything. Anyone that comes from a creative world knows how painful being that stifled feels. Regardless of the money and fame and power. No one is saying they are locked away in a tower and being bludgeoned if they don’t do what they are told, but they are being stifled as ARTISTS was the point of this post.
Does not include music quality and concerts that use live music.Dealing with BP YG very sucks.I don't understand, many times YG sends girls to make money. But there are many opportunities that YG refuses.I don't know what YG wants in the end.
Right??? Like what do they actually want? Hahaha
@@JonathanMillerMusic lisa rap most good quality of bp song also is power an solo artist herself too
What you don't understand is the Korean culture where Seniors always have to be reawakened ... nothing wrong with that; but it is hard to admit that they are overcome , especially if they are men . This is also the YG mentality, which I don't think expects so much international success for a female group. Although he knows too well now the potential of BLACKPINK, he continues to partially underestimate/ignore it
EDIT : Nubia Magazine The Most Beautiful Woman In The World 2022 (Winner/Finalists)
No 1 Jisoo , No 3 Lisa
@@Dimis2909 I learned that the Korean culture big man and women must be followers
YG is killing it....the decisions they have made is raining money
Ticket prices and sales speak for itself
I've been following Blackpink since before they even became Blackpink. My interest in YG generally was due to me being a fan of Lee Hi (from her Kpop Star days) since 2012. One of the first things that I noticed about YG was the very obvious and strange double standard in the way they handled female artists versus the way they handled and promoted the male artists. (Lee Hi of course had to endure a total of 6 years of hiatus (two back-to-back 3-year hiatuses) until she got fed up and left for AOMG as soon as her contract was up.
I noticed how huge, massive and expensive the pre-debut promotions for the new boy groups were, with literally a year's worth of weekly promotional reality TV programs being made for the boys (WIN, Mix & Match, Winner TV. Contrast that with the pre-debut promotions for Blackpink, i.e. the virtually non-existent pre-debut promotions. Sure Jisoo was allowed to appear in a few music videos of other YG acts, so people generally knew who she was before Blackpink debuted. Jennie was allowed to appear in a GD video, feature as a singer in a GD song and feature as a rapper in a Lee Hi song, so people knew who she was. Lisa and Rosé, for some weird reason, were intentionally kept nameless and faceless until the group debuted. ( Rosé featured as a singer in a GD song, but was literally only credited as a question mark (?). Lisa appeared as a back-up dancer in a Taeyang song, but was barely seen and not credited. ) Then just days before the official debut, YG showed photos of the girls and held the Blackpink Debut Showcase for the media/press to introduce the girls.
Despite close to zero pre-debut promotional investment, Blackpink has become YG's top group at present (and in terms of overall global impact, YG's most significant group ever). It's a mixed bag to be sure. YG spends and invests substantially in the music videos. But Blackpink-generated income makes that possible. But for the most part, YG is still treating Blackpink the same way as they were treating female artists 10 years ago. (Gummy and Lee Hi probably still have nightmares about the amount of time they spent in the YG dungeon, while YG was sending boy group members all over on TV shows, radio shows and so on.)
Honestly, it's time we stop blaming YG for everything. Like c'mon, let's be real for once, if not for YG do you think BP would be what they are today? BP is so fortunate that they do least to almost nothing and still be successful and keep the fame. You think this would be possible under other companies? Almost all the groups under the BIG 3 have fame and success only because they're under those companies (with exceptions). Talking about BP & YG, Honestly I don't feel like the girls are serious about making music either.....so let's not completely blame YG for that. Except for maybe Rosè, I don't think others are super into it. Other groups are made to slog like animals and are still not quite there as BP is today in terms of fame and popularity (unless you're from one of the BIG 3). Also, the girls pretty much like not being overworked and still be successful and popular I feel.
Here's the thing......since 2023 ends BP's contract. I will say this, if BP is really into making music and want creative freedom, they'll resign and join a company that allows creative freedom for artists (like maybe AOMG). But if they renew their contracts, it's 10000% evident that the girls enjoy this lifestyle. Because at the end of the day what matters is what you have in your bank accounts.
Btw I'm new to your chanel and love your review and thoughts about YG and the pinks. New subscriber here.
Thanks for subscribing! I appreciate you being here. 💖 I hope you find more videos you enjoy. I did a whole Hype Week about Blackpink this week to celebrate the girls if you want more BP content! th-cam.com/play/PL91mxZkjAG3dhASUNCnNR4BRiII4EmXYv.html
I hope YG’s new girl group never debuts, or at LEAST Blackpink disbands/moves to another company. YG has been sitting too comfortable on Blackpink’s money
Agreed. YG clearly just cannot seem to understand how to handle girl groups -especially when they get really successful. It makes me worried for all the trainees :(
@@JonathanMillerMusic 2NE1, Blackpink... YG did know how to make successful girl group... the "fans" mad because they feel "fool" by the YG tactics... i think if YG give bp tons of album, songs from the start, their achievement might becomes like other succesful girl group out there, in korea. you wont see billions of view on 1 video or the massive anticipation. just opinion. but one thing i do hope YG allow the bp girls to have their collab with other artists individually or as sub-unit. its too exclusive right now where many of the fellow kpop artist never meet bp in person, including their labelmates.
Wishing ill towards others won’t help either of their life or career. Maybe people are not seeing clearly a bigger picture. They are not just a group they also hve their own individual brands. They are not sole producers because they weren’t even branded to be one. If we want them to be musicians, then brands need them to stop inviting the girls everywhere and let them sit on their studio and work. 😂
im being optimistic about them that after this album the next album will be them BP free from restrictions about making music tbh. and im giving YG last chance.
I always think cautious optimism is a great thing! I would love nothing more than for it to work out well for them!!
@@JonathanMillerMusic yeah i hope so. tbh if they don't renew their contract they are all successful being solo. but i really hope yg will realize the power BP have. BGG they do it with 2mini and 2 full length album. BP will not disappoint yg if they give them freedom.
Agreed with everything you said about…we’ll, everything. You were spot on. Thing is there’s not a damn thing we can go is there?! Fans speak out against these companies all the time and they just ignore them.
Totally agree! I guess we will never see their full potential as artists under YG. We just love the girls too much that we can't do anything but accept what YG offers to us. I can feel that the girls want to give us more but they are obviously restricted. It's just so painful to watch great artists being wasted.
Obviously restricted? They own YGE right now. All 4 have second job on side but decided to still run Blackpink but no longer as a kpop group. They shut down that era, now they sing what they like, they will throw f-bombs if they feel it, they will date whoever they want and you don't have to worry about it because they are not kpop group anymore. They seem to be happier in US and that makes me happier too 😊
Pathetic! You guys are the reason why BlackPink will disband not YG. You’re always ungrateful and always complaining. The girls themselves said that they love working with YG! Stop assuming as if their mistreated. They’re the most favored artist there. Duh! Without YG theres no BlackPink. They chose them 4 out of so many trainees. Just be grateful! And there’s no restrictions anymore! Restrictions are only allowed for 3 years after debut
@@cailymoon4350 They won't stop. That's the disease of these days. Like with a virus or ads in website we just have to learn to ignore. Maybe they don't know how much it hurts to hear someone discredit your loved ones. Or maybe they know exactly how it feels and that's why they doing this. It clearly hurts Blackpink girls, so much so that now they are making songs like Shut Down and Tally to send the message to their toxic fans.
I hope TH-cam get better soon with comments recommendations and also allow to block certain user comments.
There is huge difference between saying this music is not to my liking (which is understandable) and saying that music is bad, management is bad and the whole company has bad intentions.
Yeah... Just treat them like snap or ads or posted by bots. Humans do not behave like this in real life. I'm still learning
i dont know its like yg doesnt see blackpink music a worthy i dont know how to put into words properly he treats blackpink compared to their 2nd gen group bigbang and 2ne1 their not the same type of treatment. Like i dont know honestly where is winner is like they done even exist in yg , where is ikon we don't know?.
Maybe there are so many and big surprises for us after this. I think they are aware of what they are lacking and know that BP could give us so much more, they just don't give it all yet.
Idk about that. They debuted in 2016 and fans have been complaining about the same things for years. YG sucks ass, and he WILL continue to disappoint you.
The very sad part about this, at the end of the day, we still lose as a fan and YG is winning since we're already sunk in the Blackpink dungeon, my poor girls 😭
To be honest, a lot of these issues you raised have something to do with your expectations and assumptions about what you wanted a Blackpink album to be like, like the arrangement of songs, solo songs or subunit or not, the use of korean traditional music, etc. These are very specific individual preference types of things. Everyone has different expectations and there's no way any album can satisfy everyone's needs. This is what I've seen so far in terms of the general public reactions. People in the west who have never heard of kpop before are drawn to and impressed by Born Pink, especially the first 3 tracks. These tracks also do very well on global streaming platforms like Spotify. Born Pink has actually achieved so much for Blackpink and kpop as a whole just more than a week into its release. I'm not saying your main point that YG is mistreating the girls is invalid, because it is very valid, but what I'm saying is most listeners don't care about that. They care if they enjoy the music or not. And Born Pink seems to deliver, at least so far.
THIS. This is my biggest problem with BLACKPINK haters or criticizers. There is a big difference between not liking a song bc it's not your style and not liking a song because it doesn't perfectly match up with your own specific standards of what it should've sounded like. Like seriously, BLACKPINK are under so much pressure to always put out a song that meets everyone's niche standards and people are never happy. BLACKPINK have never put out a song that was so god awful it was unlistenable, yet people keep trying to act like that's all they put out. Why should BLACKPINK be held up to such a ridiculous standards that other groups aren't held up to? Just bc they're popular. They didn't ask the world to gas them, the world chose to. It's getting kind of annoying and it's so obvious when someone is only disappointed their expectations weren't met rather than just not liking a song
@@samcarmen Tell me about it 😩 the level of standards people hold Blackpink to is ridiculous at this point. I genuinely can't fathom how the girls even deal with that much pressure cuz every time they put out anything, the world can't wait to jump on it and judge them 😢
@@lalisaluhme right. like they have several songs talking about the hate they get. ppl need to realize that they are human beings first and foremost to anything else
EDIT: Apparently some people missed where I said I LIKED the songs and had ZERO problem with Jennie, Jisoo, Lisa, or Rosé. So in case it wasn’t clear, criticism of YG as a company does not equal criticism of Blackpink or it’s members. I like Blackpink a lot which is why I literally dedicated a whole week to them on my channel. Anyway, I appreciate all of you who are being respectful even if you disagree with my opinion.💛
Thanks for watching, friends! Sorry this is a bit late but I hope I made it clear I'm not mad at the girls! 😅 Closed Captions are available btw. Ignoring YG, my faves from Born Pink" are "Shut Down," "The Happiest Girl," and "Yeah Yeah Yeah." What did you think of Born Pink? How do you feel about YG's treatment of them? 💖🖤
Wasn’t it said, and labeled, that Blackpink were creative directors on this album?
Does that come into play when making songs, designs, MV layouts and what goes in the album?
Or is this kind of just a not really useful role for Blackpink to have in this album?
A lot of fans say they’ve a lot of creative freedom, but then backtrack to say they’re “mistreated” and incredibly talented, just unknown.
It’s really confusing because, apparently, creative director is supposed to mean something big but it seems you’re saying what’s put out is not so much their choice.
How can one tell that Big Bang, Treasure and such have all this freedom and not Blackpink?
The concern being: what if Blackpink just aren’t capable of managing work given to them and aren’t able to produce, write or create works like this, only sing and perform.
That could be why YG is so strict, because they’re not quite capable of making their own work.
It’s YG’s company and his money that’s got to be taken out and he needs cash in return.
If the male groups can do better at making their own work that could be why they have so much freedom and opportunities for themselves.
There doesn’t seem to be that many women creating their own works in Kpop it seems.
This could be a result of them not wanting to take the role or being poor at it, no?
@@bretxavier9305 An argument could be made, easily, that for as long as women are not given the same opportunity as men, due a preconceived notion that they are less capable, that THEY WILL be less capable, due to lack of opportunities to DO and to learn. This happens, ALL THE TIME. Those who holds power decide what is true, and act based on this assumptions, fulfilling their own prophecy as a result. If you think women are bad drivers, you won't let them drive due to safety concerns, so they do not drive as often, and when they do, they won't be as good. No?
@@HailToTheMeep That’s a philosophical way of looking at it, but doesn’t necessarily add anything to what was brought up.
YG most likely gave women freedom with capabilities to make choices themselves, but didn’t make the cut because they performed poorly.
It’s a slightly delusional idea to want idols to write, produce, create, design everything for their work because not many can do it.
These idols weren’t chosen for their ability to make music, but to perform.
When the Blackpink members put in lyrics it tends to be the very basic of words, poor English or basic word English despite wanting it to be in English industry, and extremely simplistic.
It showcases their lack of ability to write, not saying YG’s great, but they’ve a way to make it flow that Blackpink members don’t have.
In closing, no one would just give the members a sudden opportunity to write a song. They’d have to prove themselves, because it’s a company in the end not an art school.
These women are in their late 20’s and can’t sound like teenagers writing a sing for the first time. It needs to make money.
So there more then likely has been an opportunity for them to prove themselves and they hadn’t passed it,many times.
Why would YG want to pay for others to write their music when they can just have Blackpink write it instead? It’s a waste of money unless they can’t make it.
Blackpink ultimately signed the contract to be idols and if they didn’t read it, it’s on them. Their parents are far wealthy enough to assist in negotiating or getting out of a bad contract they willingly signed and most likely needed their parents signature on because they’re underage
It could just as very easily be argued that they like not making songs, a lot of songs or doing much of the creative work.
Considering they’ve had 6 years in their career, people have been pushing them to write and be more involved… it’d be a butt load more in money in it for YG if YG allows them to do this.
Which’s begs the question:
Are they making works that are just barely capable of making it and don’t show enough capability to actually make a song without heavy assistance?
Or are they just not into it and would rather be performing?
If YG’s gonna rely on the girls to make their own music, they’ve gotta do it alone like a producer, otherwise YG’s paying the tab *still* for them to make “their own” music with assistance.
He can’t train everyone to be a producer, that’s bad for his business and any other record company out there.
You’re essentially creating someone who can take your money for training, become a great writer and dip to make money for someone else.
That’s why these companies check to give opportunities to their idols, ever so often, to challenge their ability to make music.
When you look at statistics, 97.7% of producers are men.
This isn’t saying women aren’t given the opportunity, but don’t find it appealing and would rather be performing, designing really anything but producing.
So why is it that Blackpink is this special group that is supposed to be amazing at writing, producing and creating their works and yet with all the opportunities YG throws at them, they have practically no songs originating with them and created by them?
It’s easily argued that misogyny doesn’t play a part, nor does favouritism or YG’s lack of producing producers.
You either want it or you don’t and that’s on the idol.
It’s a lot cheaper if YG has the idols making their own work as opposed to the company spending loads to get others music made for them.
I feel that they're not gonna renew, and the management probably wants to make money before they leave. afterall they can't release those tracks if the artists are gone ( unless they pay them as well). that's probably why they even throw in Rose's Solo, so in won't be wasted away in their data banks. just saying.
Thank you for this video! Literally took what I was feeling about the album out of my mind and turned into a video. I really thought that YG might change after this hitaus and would at least give us ten songs. But nope, I let myself become a clown yet again. I had the same thoughts when regarding "The Happiest Girl". I have no idea why she had such a small part in that song when she's literally the Lead Vocalist and trained to be as such. Jennie's official positions are Main Rapper and Lead Vocalist, but she herself stated that she didn't train to be a vocalist and only did so after debut. No hate to Jennie of course, her voice is extremely powerful, but Jisoo's in the group for a reason. Her lower tone would have beautiful on that chorus. Plus, Jennie's the main rapper, so she should rap more often than not, but YG can't even do that I guess.
Also, another thing, why is there so much english on this album? This is their second KOREAN studio album, yet only four out of the eight songs are in korean. This was a compliant I had with The Album as well. I understand that Blackpink was created to promote in the western market, but they are a K-pop group from South Korea! International K-pop fans don't want english albums, we want k-pop albums. It really irked me that half the album was English, plus along with the english in the Korean songs themselves. What did you think about this?
And I agree with your sentiments on Rose's solo song track. It was beautiful and she sang her heart out. But why was on this album? It should've been apart of her solo comeback rather the group's. And you're right about it reflecting poorly on Rose as many people are already blaming her even thought she wasn't the one who chose the final tracklist. Also, I felt that alot of the songs were over before they began, you know? The songs, like "Typa Girl" and "Shut Down", just end after the second chorus with a small instrumental outro. It just feels really lazy to me.
I'm really concerned about what's going to happen when Blackpink's contracts expire and renewal negotiations start. I hope the girls are ready to enter the battlefield and take what they rightfully deserve from that company. However, knowing YG, I wouldn't hold my breath. I want them to continue, of course I do, but I dont't think it would beneficial for them in the long run as idols and artists.
Overall, I really liked video! And sorry for the long comment, but I had to get that off my chest.
the point about international fans wanting kpop albums is sooo true, atleast for me!!! i mean 1 full English song seems fun cuz we can sing along to it but mostly we’re in it for the Korean music- the language is the main appeal of kpop its what makes kpop kpop & we love that!
@@mominahazhar9233 Blackpink is not kpop anymore so chill
Thank you for commenting, I appreciate it and agree with a lot of what you said too. The fact that Jisoo is on this record in such little capacity is so strange. Like she's IN Blackpink FOR A REASON. She deserves more recognition for her talents.
The amount of English didn't bother me a whole lot because I kind of get that Blackpink is YG's in with the Western market but it would've been nice if more of them had Korean parts, I absolutely agree! I mean K-Pop artists have fully Japanese and Chinese language music so it's not a big problem for me personally but I definitely wish that a Korean language album had more Korean ON IT. hahaha
I am hoping for the best for the girls and they really enter negotiations with amazing bargaining chips because I don't want Blackpink to end but I also will support what they choose to do!
"but she herself stated that she didn't train to be a vocalist and only did so after debut" not true: Weekly idol 1st appearance "i'm above average at singing and rapping", she start rapping cause she spoke english.
Don't really follow BP as most their title tracks are not really my taste but are you really bashing on the best song on the Album? In Shutdown everyone rapped, in The Happiest Girl everyone sang. What is your issue with the music? I didn't like BP music before but I felt this album was really globally friendly, its definitely easily to listen to for a wider audience and given BP popularity globally, I feel their music starting to reflect that instead of just focusing on k-pop style sound exclusively. Their singles on this album and title track were all k-pop and the rest sounded really western. So there's something for everyone
Just something to ponder, does quantity fares better than quality in long term? I wouldn't say so. I think this album is perfectly fine, 8 is easy to digest and memorized, yes there's song specifically only for marketing, some for general audience while some are very mature.i also feel it's kinda a bit strange to include rosie solo and refuse other song (eg Ryan tedder) while Jisoo hasn't even get a solo yet.but it still fine I love the new approach that includes mix of hip hop with synth pop to powerful ballad and then a guitar riff theme song. But my only desire is to see BP in an acoustic version of the album, or even artistical freedom session. Also I'm really2 anticipating Jisoo Solo or even collab, her voice is too unique to be ignored, and I'm tired of saying Jisoo needs a collab with someone like Utada Hikaru or Shiina Ringo from Japan coz her accent suit them better.
Yeah, you must have quality. But quantity also plays a role, blackpink as of now has only 31 original Korean songs, rest are remixes, and they're a 6 year old group.
When there is such less quantity even if we get quality music it still falls short of the mark.
Thoroughly appreciated this video! I thought I was crazy for a while feeling mostly confused by the album lol...but now I feel incredibly validated 💕I have noticed that you mainly focus on kpop but I would love to hear your through perspective on Beyonce's Renaissance album!
I had low expectations for born pink since I really didn't like pink venom that much, but I ended up enjoying the album. That said I definitely had the frustration of born pink being called an album when there are EP's that run longer than it. Rose didn't need a solo on this and I hate when albums include ad songs on albums. yeah yeah yeah is a banger though loved it!
Jonathan you express my thoughts about Yg and Blackpink. Jisoo has one of the most interesting voices in Kpop industry and they treat her bad . Thanks God to have a solo of her to hear her magical voice
I thought an obvious display of lack of creative effort is the MV order for this promotion. It should have gone Ready To Love (an example of their old music that fans know has been around forever) to Shut Down (since they are literally shutting down their old eras... start the MV with then walking off the RTL "set" then same MV but end it with them opening the door to Pink Venom) then to Pink Venom (Pink Venom should have been last since it's the "new" Blackpink.. they should have entered the MV as the first new door on the next level). That's something so simple and it winds up giving the material more of a story and anticipation for the next release. They just keep choosing to do the bare minimum.
Finally someone else who talks about the gorgeous lower register Jisoo has that never gets used.
I was SO disappointed when I finally saw the tracklist... after so many years. Bruh.
You should know YG by now! YG girlgroups are not trained to be self-producing group because they have TEDDY to produce the music. The Album was great! really stayed true to the title “Born Pink”. BlackPink isn’t BlackPink right now because of YG. Same with the Past girl group of the company 2NE1 are still Legend up to this day with their songs still charting to this day!
QUALITY over QUANTITY. I’ve been a fan of YG since 2009 and no one compares to YG girl groups till this day.
Jisoo did not originally wanted to be an idol but actress. I guess few years she will be more popular as an actress not an idol. I love Jisoo. ♡ Let's wait maybe she will get her solo song next year.
I feel like they put her In the group for the Korean market , Jisoo has so much potential it’s annoying how YG is dimming down her potential 🥲
You want her to leave and break up blackpink? OK...
not a fan of bp but i think jisoo really has a potential to be an actress/brand ambassador! her features and demeanor fit this role more i think ?
@@DUNGSTAoffcourse not.
@@halley_7 yes I do agree ♡
i just want blackpink to leave yg and set up their own careers and be successful. they DON'T deserve to be locked up in the yg dungeon and have all their talents and potential go to waste
Wasn’t it said, and labeled, that Blackpink were creative directors on this album?
Does that come into play when making songs, designs, MV layouts and what goes in the album?
Or is this kind of just a not really useful role for Blackpink to have in this album?
A lot of fans say they’ve a lot of creative freedom, but then backtrack to say they’re “mistreated” and incredibly talented, just unknown.
It’s really confusing because, apparently, creative director is supposed to mean something big but it seems you’re saying what’s put out is not so much their choice.
How can one tell that Big Bang, Treasure and such have all this freedom and not Blackpink?
The concern being: what if Blackpink just aren’t capable of managing work given to them and aren’t able to produce, write or create works like this, only sing and perform.
That could be why YG is so strict, because they’re not quite capable of making their own work.
It’s YG’s company and his money that’s got to be taken out and he needs cash in return.
If the male groups can do better at making their own work that could be why they have so much freedom and opportunities for themselves.
There doesn’t seem to be that many women creating their own works in Kpop it seems.
This could be a result of them not wanting to take the role or being poor at it, no?
Then they should have trained them like that from starting ,their debut was so rushed their talent hasn't been polished yet
I must disagree with you. I think this is misogynistic. CL was a co-producer and songwriter for 2ne1 since debut and was never credited. Minzy was going to be a solo artist but YG put her in the group, she's even the only member who didn't do something solo during their time together. Jennie was also going to be a solo artist. They have not wanted to reveal Lisa's sales and it may be because she is a foreign member. Rosé had to spend all night preparing to create her album and it shows that she participated in the creation, because otherwise they would have given the flatter and more boring colors to her physical album. Like they did with Jennie. Who is probably going to sing only SOLO for the rest of her life. Don't let me start with Jisoo it's more than obvious that YG always put her aside. The photos for their albums have always been the flattest. Specially with kill this love they literally put red paper on the wall. LOL. I must admit that Born Pink's photos were great and they deserve nothing less. You don't have to be smart to realize that something is wrong.
Oh were they creative directors for this album?? I was unaware of that at the time of making this video and I really tried looking for their input but I guess I didn’t find the sources for that. That does affect my opinion and I appreciate you bringing that up. 🙏🏻 There are actually quite a few women in kpop producing and songwriting (Soyeon of G-Idle, Purple KISS is a self-composing group, etc.) so I think they want to. It’s just a different dynamic. :)
@@JonathanMillerMusic Just curious how this changes your outlook on things? How this would change your view from what you stated in the video.
It does say on their album that Blackpink are labeled as “Creative Directors”
Not sure how important this role could be, considering some of the views towards YG and Blackpink are that they do not have much control over any of their content.
The belief held here is that Blackpink doesn’t have much input due to their lack of creativity, lack of ability to do so or lack of interest.
That last one is solely because the producing and creating in music is overwhelming male and this is because women aren’t as interested. Not to say women can’t or won’t chose the field, but women don’t hold much interest in making their content for entertainment as men do.
There’s plenty of fields dominated by men, plenty by women. This doesn’t mean the opposite can’t come in and work in it though.
It’s hard to believe YG is solely working against Blackpink because of misogyny or just sheer jealousy in their popularity.
Correct if wrong, but it’d cost him far less to have a group that can produce, create and style themselves, rather than constantly hire or utilize his own employees he’d had to overwork and overpay when they’ve other projects.
If Blackpink had the ability to do so they’d have been on it from the get. This isn’t to say they can’t earn the rights to do so through experience and get up their where the other producers are.
But Blackpink’s been present for maybe 3 years of their 6 year career. There’s so much experience missed in that time that could have easily given them the ability to be creative directors from the start… but if YG has to rely on others to make their content while using the same people to assist in their other groups for content, it could put a strain on things.hence the long wait times, plus “quality over quantity”
Being a creative director could just be a title, it could actually mean what it’s suppose to mean and they have control.
They’ve (Blackpink) mentioned how much control they’ve had before, so this is why it seems they really may just be uninterested, unqualified (for now/in the past) or unable to come up with something creative at the pace other artists have.
Not sure if you’ll respond, your takes are quite thought provoking and was hoping to post a comment to add to the discussion of whether or not Blackpink’s being kept in the dungeon by YG or they’re keeping themselves in the dungeon.
After all, half their time being in the game has been spent promoting brans, doing photos shoots, limited interviews, going to fashion show etc. really anything but producing music. They’ve so few songs, if YG wants money it’s hard to believe they’d keep their money maker away.
To be honest, to add this one bit, the kpop industry has been changing for some time now. It’s a brutal one, specially it being in Korea where work and studies are taken far more seriously than in the west.
They’ve taken from the west in many ways and thus drawn eyes from it to watch them which seems to have made them soften a lot of what they once did. Changing and adapting so it’s more acceptable.
YG’s treatment of 2NE1 was semi understandable with the scandal and the backlash of the public but also not. Not saying the scandal was justifiable, but with Koreas cultures it absolutely throws a wrench in things. People can change a lot, but Korea Hans a culture, much like the west and it has to be respected to a degree like any other. Changes only take time and can’t happen over night.
Like all these other companies, it’d be a stain on their record that keeps spreading if they only continued the mistreatment or accused misogyny going forward.
Specially with the internet and more people being involved, it takes only one person to make a video that shows what’s actually happening behind the scenes. Showing one’s true colours and exposing the real bad sad of YG.
That being said, things are always misconstrue in the media to make it seem far worse than it is.
That’s why it seems counterproductive for YG to continue his past actions that lead him to take money, hire people for some parties etc.
People change, so do companies and with YG holding auditions globally and putting himself out there, if the past was true and it continues people wouldn’t join or stay.
Blackpink have more than enough money to break their contracts and pay off the fee. That’s a,k they need to get out, is the cost of the obligatory fee to leave.
They’ve expressed their appreciation for him, where as other groups go against their company and speak out.
That seems like a slight sign that not all is as it seems.
But as you said, you’re familiar with the industry and it’s quite interesting to hear what your take is then change views to figure the most logical explanation as to what could really be happening.
Pardon the long post, TH-cam only allows typing, otherwise it’d be shorter lol
I agree on your opinion on how the sequencing of the 8 songs should be. It would be better for the Happiest Girl to be the last song on the list. Maybe YG dont want it to be like the one they did in "The Album" were their last song was also a ballad. Yeah yeah yeah is also, for me, like a 80's vibe song. Since they already did the 80's vibe like fading outro and other stuff....why didnt they make that song longer. Before during the 80's and 90's songs are more than 3:30 to 4:30 mins long. :) They even have as long as 6-9 mins long :)
I'm really glad you talked about how the tracks are ordered bc I was thinking the same things
Starting with Pink Venom, then going to Shut Down and THEN Typa Girl set me up for something that Born Pink wasn't. The rest of the album was dull to me on my first full listen bc of the nonsensical ordering
If ya’ll really want change, boycott their next release the same way orbits boycotted blockberry creative…
In short, we need more.
About YG's girl groups lack of albums/songs, it's because Teddy is the one with the control (unlike YG's boy groups who usually produce their own albums) both 2ne1 and Blackpink songs are all producer by Teddy. And dont forget my girl Somi 😅 I think YG's new girl group will not be handled by Teddy anymore, cannot imagine
YG needs to stop their mentality of "quality over quantity". I missed them, and I'm still missing blackpink because this album just felt like nothing :(
hope they release a deluxe version with 4 -6 additional music
the only solo songs I know from W girl groups are TLC's albums and DC3's last album destiny fulfilled
Although I'm not a fan of pinks, since I known K-pop two years ago, there's always the question in my mind as to why YG doesn't debut self produce girl group? Even their previous girl group had the same problem, a lot of people say that because they have a songwriter like Teddy, but Teddy has worked with GD as an co_composer for BigBang, and there's been no problem, in fact, it's caused Big Bang more power, why isn't the same system used for girl group's? Why don't they train girls to be real artists??
I love your advise that they should leave yg and another label must fight for them 😭
USA?
I do agree on some of the parts you said, one of my issues is that I wish YG give girl groups to have the albums to be 12-14 songs instead of 8 cuz Born Pink does have some missing tracks that would balance the genre of the album, even though I love Born Pink album it needs more tracks.
Also, Ryan Tedder mentioned that he worked with them for the next album, and I'm so gutted it's not part of Born Pink cuz I want to listen to it in Born Pink album so bad
In my opinion YG's CEO should listen to " TALLY " that I think this song is the shout out from Ot4
I just wonder, is there any body cringe of their songs in english?coz i do..as if it pushed to be in english to cater american people but the whole thought of the lyrics in those melody doesn't fit.. As in they already have the melody of the song and they just put any english words to fit in that melody that in the end its sound cringe. I don't agreeing to give full english songs to be more appealing to the west since subtitles are now widely available and speaking of promoting south korean culture and being proud where you came from contradicts that.
i agree with everytjing you've said. especially with the solo. the solo threw me off cause i was looking for the other girls voices & confused me a bit. there was not enough room in the tracklist for the songs to feel somewhat connected. & yeah yg using the same formula makes this album feel bland. im tired of being given the bare bare minimum just to keep a dumb title of record breaker.
Rose doesn't have a lot of English verses so the solo is perfect for her.
The fans waiting more than 2 years for their comeback, but only get an album with less than 10 songs. But the album cover have multiple version probably more than the songs in the album. Probably some blink will buy all of them. But I feel that YG just want to get money from the group popularity without focusing showing their talent and improvement after no comeback for 2 years.
2 years is not a long time...
Didnt the girls renewed there contract for another 7 years? Doesnt look like they want to leave yg🥶
If BLACKPINK decides to transfer to another company, they aren't allowed to use the name *'BLACKPINK'* anymore, because YG Ent. owns that name. Meaning the girls would have to think of a new name for their group under a new company.
I don’t think they would be able use their stage names either (yeh, even if it’s your real name you’re not allowed to use it in commercial purposes unless you buy it back or pay for it).
That's true I think they also own their stage names that's very sad. I don't think the girls will leave YG, but I really hope they all realize how valiant they are and start demanding their rights as artists when it's time to renew.
@@MeryKeit CL got her stage name and her channel. I'm not sure about the legal process behind that but if Blackpink do need to buy their names back then they have the money to do so.
@@MeryKeit The only way to "own" a stage name is through trademark law. (Copyright laws do not apply.) But there are a lot of limitations and it would be difficult for YG to own their actual names. Even just the name "Lisa" for example probably cannot be controlled by YG through trademarking because there already have been a number of entertainers in music who use the name Lisa. YG registered the name Lalisa Manobal, primarily to be able to legally go after bootleggers and cheap merch makers who otherwise may try to make unofficial merch using her name. But I doubt that YG would or could prevent Lisa herself from using her own name commercially. The other members also have names that are not unusual and not easily owned and controlled by trademark, so I don't think they would have much problem taking their names with them. The group name "Blackpink" and their Blackpink discography would be a different matter and YG could probably play hardball with those things. But it would depend on how amicably they parted ways. YG hasn't done anything at all to prevent Lee Hi from using the same stage name that she used when she was at YG, transferred all of her youtube channel and contents to her and has never prevented her from performing her own songs.
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I’m so confused how they’re so big with great artists and treat them like this