As someone who grew up with a manipulative spoiled friend (like she'd regularly get into fights that end with her calling her mom to come to school and yell at the other classmates) I almost fully blame the parents (Barbara and Buddy) for this, they raised her and taught themselves that she is never wrong and that she is the ruler of the world.
Shit this fits the bill for my younger sister and my mom 😬 same bullshit but her friends kissed her butt. She constantly got in trouble and my mom swore it’s the other kids fault. Even when she got caught fiddling willies in the staircase instead of being in class :/ mom swore can’t be her the school just “Likes to lie about her daughter”.
Some people are really just like that! Lol. But I do agree that a lot of the times it begins with the parents! Its one thing to defend your child but its another thing to be so eluded to think its everyone else all the time! Lol. Ya know, my mom always told me that!! Lmfao!
My Dad worked for the CIA when I was a kid in the 70’s. He worked at Area 51. I just thought he was gone a lot. I didn’t have a clue where or why. I didn’t find out until I was 34 in 2003. Even then it was my Mom who blurted it out and my Dad got mad at her. He DEFINITELY didn’t go around telling anybody about it. I still don’t even know what he did there. He’s gone now so I will never know.
I had a history professor whose dad worked for area 51 and the stories he would tell us blew my mind. He used the freedom of information act to get some stuff released but even then they wouldn’t release most of it. When he was a kid occasionally the feds would go and read their house making sure that they weren’t spies and he said they would come home and it would be a total mess. The next day he would go to school and say random things like don’t you hate it when they come over and mess up your house and then you have to stay up late and clean it. He just thought everyone had to do that. He had all sorts of weird stories like that. He didn’t know until he was an adult and even then he wasn’t supposed to talk about it. He didn’t start talking about it until after 9/11 but even then his dad didn’t say much of anything. For what it’s worth he was the best history teacher I ever had and I took five of his classes and went into history after.
My ex-husband had a friend & coworker in the USAF who suddenly got sent to Nellis AFB in early 2000s. He "disappeared" for almost a year, and when he finally "reappeared", he refused to talk about the special duty assignment he was on. He did disclose to a handful of his close military friends that he was at "Groom Lake" but again he refused to elaborate. But he was never the same after this "special duty assignment"; not exactly suspicious or skeptical of the government but not as trusting of the govt either. Hard to explain. I just remember he wasn't the same laid-back fun-loving personality after he got back. Soooo.... I tend to believe that there is something out there that your dad and others witnessed and/or worked on.
I found out one of my grandmas was in the CIA. It was decades before I was born and none of us talk about it. I don’t really have any stories specific to her time working there but I know they gave her a gun and she always carried it. I guess when my dad was a child they were driving in the car and stopped at a red light. My grandma made my dad wear a seat belt even though they were new to cars and most people didn’t use them at the time. A van pulled up behind them and a man got out and ran up and opened the back door. The man grabbed my dad and tried to snatch him but the seat belt slowed him down…giving my grandma enough time to point her gun at them and say “get your hands off my son!!”. Essentially, her working for the CIA could be the only reason I even exist right now. If my dad had been abducted I wouldn’t be here
I'm gonna need Janelle's older sister to write a Reddit story titled: "My entitled parents sided with my spoiled lying sister and now they're all in prison for life."
Honestly same. And I know it sounds bad but I think it’s for the better that she is in no contact with any of them and not just because they’re all in prison.
@@lisalavigne8146 I saw something about her, I'm thinking Dateline did a special, and wOw, If that girl wasn't just the sickest thing you could even imagine of, But mom & dad helped too created her. It's good they're all in jail it's where they belong.
I like to imagine the mum printed out those emails and shredded them thinking that it would destroy them completely- so many stupid people involved in this case!
That's literally what they must've though it would happen. It would be actually hilarious if it didn't happen under such tragic circumstances. Bloody stupid people. Thinking that printing emails and shredding them would get rid of them... Although they were old and social media was kind of at the beginning stages by then, but still...
I feel sorry for Tracy. Imagine being kind hearted enough to take a chance and befriend a socially awkward person, only to have that person murder your brother and future sister in-law leaving your nephew an orphan. Looks like Christie did the right thing by going no contact.
Christie was nearly a victim as well. She had moved in with her great-grandmother to care for her and was working as an EMT. One day her great-grandma took ill and was in the hospital and while Christie was at work her parents and Janelle came by the place and ransacked it. Another time Christie was a home and the Potters came by and pounded on the door and windows shouting at her. Janelle had convinced her parents that Christie was selling drugs out of the fire station and they were looking for evidence of that. of course, it was ridiculous. there were a number of messages from "Chris" to Barbra about how Christie wanted them all dead and was plotting against them etc. If they'd gotten away with killing Billie and Billie Jean she probably would have been next.
Imagine the guilt of bringing this person into your family/friend group... even though it's absolutely not her fault, I cant imagine how guilty she must feel
Sorry ,people need to learn that being kind hearted does not mean letting in your space weirdos and all sort of criminals on their journey to normality . Wanting to help should have boundaries and there should be a no trespassing sign in sight at all times. Problem is that mentally ill (also emotionally ill) need to concentrate their attention in one direction for various reasons.And who ever becomes the focus point for such an individual is in danger if not lost. Unfortunately ignorance makes many act from their heart but without connecting the brain too. Brain with no heart = monster Heart with no brain = dumbo Connect the two and you will be a complete person.
@@dianet888 I prefer to define: heart with no brain = naivety Unfortunately being naive can have fatal consequences. You’re right. When helping the mentally I’ll you need to do it with established boundaries.
I think what's also sad is Billie Jean was only 23 when she was killed. She was a young mother who had to face harassment and fear before being killed trying to protect her baby. When I think about that it makes me so angry.
As a mother, the thought of what Billie Jean went through both terrifies me and breaks my heart. Not only the relentless bullying, whilst pregnant, but the thought of her last moments, desperately clutching her son. Don't get me started on the thought of baby Tyler, in his lifeless mother's arms... How could anyone do such a horrific thing ??? Tyler is 10 years old now, and I hope he has the best life possible ❤ Sending all my warmest thoughts to him and his family. RIP Billy & Billie Jean.
Billie Jean was so beautiful. She had to endure a lot before her murder. Endless bullying and harassment from a woman that viewed her as the threat when she (Jenelle) never had a relationship with Billy. I heard that it was endless for Billie Jean. Apparently, in order to prove that she was being bullied and harassed by Billie Jean, Jenelle created fake accounts pretending to be her victim and her victim's friends and saying mean stuff about her just to send police to the home. Then to be murdered while holding your child in your arms to protect him... that's just cruel. Anybody hurting a defenceless person holding their baby is devoid of anything making them human.
"Jenelle was the mastermind behind this whole plan..." 🙄 "Mastermind" is a bit generous, I think. It wouldn't take much to manipulate this family of geniuses.
If the CIA wanted someone dead, why the hell wouldn’t they do it themselves???? This case absolutely IS just ludicrous af!!!! It’s definitely one of the craziest cases I’ve ever heard!
I know this comment is a bit old but there are many things that the CIA would want citizens to do instead of them. For example when the FBI(I know they aren't the same thing, but they are US government organizations), was arresting Ted Kazcynski, the Unabomber, the FBI asked neighbors to check his property to see if it was safe for them to arrest him or if their were any traps. This is the most rediculous recollection I have of CIA or FBI relying on citizens to do their work.
I feel so bad for Christie, abuse between siblings is really common and not talked about. I can't imagine how insane she must've felt with her entire family gaslighthing her about her sister never being in the wrong.
And now Christie's whole family is in prison for the rest of their lives. That's gotta hurt. Honestly she's probably better off now. I hope she's made her own family.
Jenelle went to the same high school as I did. My husband graduated with her in 1999, she was a few years ahead of me. We are right outside Philadelphia by about 30 minutes and our town is known for mushrooms. By no means would I compare it to Mountain City,Tennessee but it’s definitely “the suburbs”, so it’s like they took an already reclusive person and isolated them even more by bringing her to Mountain city. My husband said she was always a bit strange, had a really high pitched voice, and didn’t have any friends , super quiet. That’s all he really had to say about her . He was friendly with Chris & it was fascinating when this all came out to see people we knew in such a sensationalized story. I think sometimes the victims in this one can get lost so I appreciate you telling this story in the way that you did. While the theatrics around it are baffling , Billy and Billie and their child that was left parentless are the true victims here
Her parents aren't overprotective/overbearing - that's obsessive behavior, she's an adult but isn't allowed to get a job, everyone involved with her must be interviewed, and she can't have access to a vehicle?! I have two relatives (and know a few people) who have mild to severe autism or other learning disabilities and they were never controlled like that. That's not even mentioning the favoritism or no consequences.
Oh I have overprotective parents. Even now as an adult, my dad particularly still acts overproctective. But never to THIS extent. This goes beyond overprotective; this is nuts.
I'm not applauding the stuff her parents did, but..... you honestly don't know how you would handle having a child who isn't neuro-typical (until it happens). I have a daughter who is on the Autism spectrum && I worry about her in a different way than I worry about my other children. She's only 13 rn && I often think/worry about what's going to happen when she becomes a legal adult. 🤷🏻♀️
Danielle: she was one of those characters that would get into arguments over the smallest things, she was also one these people that just didn't get along with anyone. Me: a karen?
FINALLY someone covering this!! i grew up in mountain city. i remember when this happened, it shook all of johnson county. obviously no one expects something like this to happen in your small town.
I hope you both have at least A grain of brain, unlike your fellow townsfolk in this story! Holy hell, they don't make peeps in your neck o the woods look competent!
This is even worse than the “Helicopter Parenting”. There’s obsession in keeping her “child-like” , dependent and vulnerable and entitled! Perfect storm ⛈ for raising a psychopath/sociopath.
Right?! I have 4 kids. My oldest is 20 & I have doesn't get life preparing her for the world. That is our job as parents!! Even if they have disabilities or such. You just prepare them the best way for them?! What her parents did was like a form of Munchausen.
It sounds like extremely narcissistic parenting to me. Narcs tend to have a "golden child" that they dote on and a "scape goat" child, who is blamed for everything, even when it's not their fault. You're right, it's the perfect storm for raising a psycho/sociopath
I was in prison at Tennessee Prison for Women with her and her mom! Her mom is still overprotective and they both continue to tell lies about what actually happened (blaming the victims)
Actually no. First of all, psychopath and sociopaths are not the same. Psychopaths are born this way. Next, these are not just helicopter parents, there is a highly abusive and controlling mother, and typically it sets up these children to never be able to leave her abuse, or if estranged to become a perfect victim for abuse. This case is more of an exception, that’s why it’s covered. Don’t make such broad ignorant statements
From the reports, it seems that she was no contact or very low contact to begin with? Seems like the moment she turned eighteen, she got out of that home and put as much distance between these people and herself as she possibly could. I do hope she's doing well, though.
I can lol cause that’s what mine is. I ended up cutting them off cause it’s not healthy anymore. You won’t believe the excuses they can come up with just to cover up for their favorite child and make you look like and feel like it’s entirely yout fault 😂
Ye that was strange to me. Parents usually want their kids to thrive, not be stuck in the house. That family genes need to be wiped. Something is clearly wrong.
@@randomclod385 munchausen by syndrome. Instead of purposely making them sick if the child has any kind of sicknesses, mental health issues, social awkwardness etc the parents want them to just be around forever. My mom was like this she told my father that she wanted a kid that had mental health issues or some kind of neurological issue where they would need to always be taken care of! She never taught me how to drive a car but let my brothers get cars. She'll never taught me how to do anything so when I got pregnant at 21 with the daughter I promise to be different and she still tries to be involved in my life. I let her have a relationship with my daughter but our relationship is done. She was also like this with my other brother where he could have possibly had learning disabilities and she got extra taxes for him until he was 21 because he was living at her house. She would let him work and encourage that but she wanted to always be involved and always wanted her kids to live with her. Just the other day she asked me if I'm really sick or if my husband dies would you please come live with me? even though she knows that we have a home and it's very close to hers and I said I would always help her but it's a very bad dysfunctional mental illness. Maybe it's not Munchausen by proxy but it's some kind of controlling wanting to keep the kid around and probably liking the attention that people give them because they seem like such courageous parents.
I live fairly close to Mountain City, TN and remember this case well. It was seriously crazy! So very sad for all the victims involved, especially Tyler. I hope he has had a loving family to raise him and has heard wonderful loving stories about his parents. Your channel is one of my favorites and the way you present these crime and makeup stories are unbelievably awesome. I’m so glad I found your channel. Keep them coming Danielle. From Kingsport, TN
The one thing that made me feel better is that 7 month olds really aren’t able to form true memories yet. So, on the bright side, he shouldn’t be able to remember at all.
This is what happens when you raise a child without teaching them about accountability or consequences. They are just as guilty as her, and it gives me strong Casey Anthony vibes.
@@eren34558 She was a teen mom and pathological liar who wanted to party and her infant daughter was in the way so she probably killed her. The case is considered unsolved and Anthony was found not guilty, but most people believe she is indeed guilty. If you want more info check out Stephanie Harlowe's deep dive, it's a fascinating series of a few long episodes.
I have heard this story several times from several different sources. It always confused me. I wasn't able to keep the parties straight and the back story of the overprotective parents was never told. You are the first one that untangled the parties and the plots in a straight forward and clear way. I now know what happened and why. Thank you
Do you remember that sort of handsome (he is lucky he didn't live in the same town as Janelle or he might be dead) guy that had gone to school with Janelle that was brought into it, I think he even testified and was tripping because he had no idea his photo was being used. I think he was a...cop? I am so happy this family is in jail so people don't have to put up with their bullying anymore.
I was in jail with Janelle in Unicoi County, Tennessee when she waiting to go to court for this. She was a trip for sure. Her dad would write her and say that he missed cuddling her and called her his "little teddy bear" it was awkward to say the least. She claimed to be innocent until the end though but obviously she WAS NOT! And she was so much smarter than she pretended to be. And Barbara actually did believe "Chris" I think because "Chris" told them that he had been watching Billy for a while because he and Billy Jean had taken young girls before and killed them, raped them,sold them and they were satanic. That's how he ("Chris") found out about Janelle. That Chapter and 20/ 20 did great covering this story
I think the parents did believe that "Chris" was real and from the C.I.A. The mother being the way she is, entitled, of course she was that important for the C.I.A. to contact her about her special daughter. 🙄. Keep up the AMAZING work! Looking forward to more cases covered by you❣
This sister dynamic reminds me a lot of my mom and my aunt. My aunt was the younger sister, and she was spoiled by my great grandmother. My mom was a very polite, independent young lady who put herself through ballet lessons by cleaning the studio. My aunt would sneak out at night and bully kids at school. She would cut up my mom’s clothes and at one point threw one of the old, heavy phones at my mom’s back and hurt her. To this day, my aunt has: cheated on her husband multiple times, adopted and promptly given away multiple pets, wastes money on expensive purses and clothes when they can’t pay their bills, has threatened my grandma on a few occasions that she’d never see her grandchildren ever again because they had an argument, etc. She’s a monster and she’s gotten what she’s wanted her whole life. Amazingly, her older daughter is beautifully well-adjusted. She’s a bright, hard worker who stands up for her friends. The only sad thing is that she’s mean to her little sister, because my aunt has always treated the younger one better. She and her husband would spank the older one, yell at her, make fun of her when she cried, etc. My mom and I were always around to clean up the mess her parent’s made, and would talk to her like a person. My mom knows how her mother is and has always tried to offer a respite from the chaos. My mom was also the black sheep of the family for pointing out toxic patterns and blatant lies.
younger children often become favourites and unfortunate victims of coddling - they grow up to be absolutely not adjusted to real world, while older children go low/no contact
Yep, and it matches up with the previous mention of him being not that bright… sounds like perhaps the combo of not being very intelligent, not having any friends and falling so hard for his first girlfriend has made him the perfect target to manipulate.
I was in my twenties in the 2,000’s. My parents didn’t understand the Internet at all at that point. It was all so new. I feel like her mom and dad probably did believe it because people took stuff like that at face value then. If she thought she was talking to someone from the CIA she probably did. Catfishing was so new then. So new it didn’t have a name lol. I am feeling a bit old now. I feel so sorry for Billy and Billy Jean’s family.
That’s so true, I didn’t think of it in that way until I read this comment. There’s people even now that still get scammed out of thousands or hundreds of thousands and scamming/catfishing all of it has been talked about for years now, most people understand it yet there’s always still a few out there that fall victim.
Exactly. & they thought their daughter had learning disabilities so they would have never thought it was her but this person emailing them had all this personal information so they were like “clearly CIA- they’re the only ones who could know all these intimate details! They know everything!” Lol
My ex is like this. His mom always made excuses for him his whole life he even admitted it and he didn’t like it but it make him feel like he was over everyone. It made him into a narcissist
I'll have to comment on the story some other time. Right now I'm astounded at how steady your hand is as you put on your makeup AND speak at the same time!!! You go girl. Great job!!!!! And now, I'll listen to the story. I do love a mystery! So far, it's incredibly sad though.
I have met people that believed that putting a dead snake belly up in the road would make it rain. I have 100% met people that would fall for all this. Never underestimate the potential stupidity of people.
I agree with you. My thought is that the parents are unaware narcissists and think their daughter is such a valuable person therefore she would definitely draw the attention of the CIA. Grandiose thinking on their part.
Came here to say this. Also, I’ve spent a lot of time in those kinds of backwoods towns In the US. I lived in one. The people there are DEFINITELY uneducated enough to fall for that CIA story.
@@hollyhansen8428, I’m here to say this to you. I was born and raised in a small town in the south but as an adult I have lived in very large cities and I can tell you that living in both you can find just as many educated/uneducated, common sense/zero common sense, etc etc people from both. Let us not forget that the “masterminds” 😂 of this story were NOT from the small town in Tennessee. They were from a very large city. They were vile, evil idiots from a large city and not from a small, backwards and uneducated town as you suggest.
There is no way someone can be that stupid to believe the CIA were interested in a petty small town “bullying” issue. I think the parents acted as they had always, and went along to “make baby feel better” because as we all know “No one puts baby in the corner”. So sad and sadistic killing a mother holding her child. There is a special place for people like that. Have a wonderful week Danielle 🌸❤️🌸
I agree. There are people who will believe much crazier things than you’d ever think possible, but the CIA wanting to get a civilian to preemptively murder someone over local bullying is just too much. If only one person claimed that, I could possibly believe that they were suffering from a serious psychological disorder, but 3 adults? This was imho the wildest case yet on this channel! (That I’ve watched so far) Also, thank you Danielle for starting your podcasts! I always let these cases play while I’m doing things to make the time go faster, and the podcast format is perfect for these!
nah. you’d be surprised. ppl blv the wildest, most ridiculous shit. so TBH, if they did or didn’t, i wouldn’t be surprised either way. actually, no, i’d be more surprised if they didn’t.
Let’s not forget that this was in the early 2000s when the internet was new, everyone was either skeptical of its existence or gullible enough to believe everything they read/see online. At least today we know how the internet works and we’re well aware not everything posted on social media is real but people back then didn’t know that, people back then used the internet as like an extension to real life rather than just a place for media content. Barbara doesn’t seem to be the smartest person so it’s not surprising she would be gullible enough to fall for all of it.
It was proven that Buddy never worked for the CIA, plus he was indicted in federal court for altering his military record to show awards he never received (he claimed to be responsible for the acts of another Marine, he also wore false medals, which is illegal, and was part of the indictment.) Janelle and her idiot mother still claim that "Chris" is real, with Janelle, in particular, doubling down on her story and claims that it wasn't her pretending to be "Chris." They were trying to get a new trial a few years ago (around 2017, if memory serves me correctly) but were ultimately denied. These knuckle draggers are hilarious to watch in interviews, highly recommend 👌 🤣
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I found my name on Topix once! I worked at a gas station when I was 17, so I guess I became known. I was described as "hot, but a bitch." Rebuffing "romantic" advances by people much older than me when I was still a minor made me a bitch, I guess.
i feel like the parents didn't buy the CIA story, but jamie did. cause when they were spoeaking to the police he asked if the CIA was there. you also mentioned he was very socially awkward and jenelle was his first girlfriend so maybe he was overly naïve and easier to fool than most people...but hard to say
That’s what I was thinking. If he didn’t buy it, I don’t think he would’ve mentioned the CIA or anything at all. Versus the Potters who tried to get rid of evidence.
Idk with the way they printed out the emails to shred them makes me think they are computer illiterate and probably really thought that would "delete" the emails by getting them off the computer which then makes me think of how gullible a lot of older people are with scammers exc when they get on the Internet that they don't really understand how to use, so I think they probably did believe it in a way 💀
there's a lot more to the story and actually, they believed the CIA thing 100%. Buddy had been telling everyone he was CIA, not retired CIA, active, for so long I think he believed it. He came up with that story in the first place and started telling it soon after Viet Nam. Janelle picked up on it and it was part of her inspiration for "Chris", she invented a CIA operative who while he was spying on her enemies was also trying to unknot Buddy's CIA paperwork so he could have his official CIA badge. They had this whole fantasy life that had become a full-on shared delusion.
@snail ooze- Oh no doubt they thought printing out and shredding the emails would get rid of them. They had to have deleted them too? Maybe? Maybe not.
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30:00 I think janelle was saying her “brother was standing up for her “ because in her mind, she was being betrayed by billy since she always saw them in a future relationship
They moved to Mountain City because Barbara’s Mom lived around there and was in poor health. Buddy was ready to leave Kennett Square PA because he got busted and charged with valor after lying about his medals earned in the Military.
Oh no, Kennett Square?! I grew up half an hour from there and am only two years apart in age from Janelle. I’m so glad I never met her or her parents!! 😱
The part about her printing the emails and then shredding them was strange to me. Was she trying to delete the evidence. The evidence that is literally on the computer. Why didn't they just check her emails?? Like what is this?? lol this whole case was just a mess
The CIA(Janelle) probably told them to delete the emails after reading. But they printed them out first. And were getting rid of the evidence, but weren’t fast enough. Could be wrong, but only way it makes any sense to me.
I watched this the day my baby turned 7 months old…I hope that Tyler’s life turned out for the absolute best…I could not *imagine*…people are so…evil…it just breaks me…
My baby is turning 7 months this month and I literally had to pause the video because I broke down and started crying at Billie Jean’s last act of love for her son. My son woke up crying for a bottle and after giving it to him, I just held him so tight. I couldn’t imagine the fear she felt, not only for herself but for that sweet baby as well. I hope he’s okay and know how much his parents loved him 💔
you are my fav true crime youtuber. You have empathy and feeling behind the stories and it really adds a positive spin if that is even possible. I have been trying to not watch as much true crime stuff for my mental health and I can stand to watch your videos. Thank you for adding a human aspect not just facts facts facts no feeling.
15 mins in and I can honestly say if I saw Jenelle and her parents coming my way I would run for the hills. They give me bad vibes just from looking at their pictures 😅 I’m also so weirded out by the parents’ obsessive behavior with Jenelle. How did they even have time for this?!
I was recently in the psych ward for a few days because of extreme anxiety and the book was there of this case I got out before I was able to finish the story I got to the point that the police started putting 2 and 2 together and then I got out 😭 IM SO HAPPY YOU COVERED THIS CASE! I didn't even know it was a real case 😳
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I think that the boyfriend was completely convinced. Him asking the police about the CIA man seems to me like he genuinely believed the story. Janelle was a great manipulator even though she was a horrible liar and clearly wasn’t the brightest bulb. Her parents sound like narcissists to me, who took so much pride in having a daughter who was the center of attention so that they felt important that they based their entire lives on Janelle because she made them feel special. I think deep down they probably knew, or at least had enough doubts that they should’ve known better. Either way, they’re clearly insane and anyone can murder a mother while she holds her baby is a sick individual and he 100% deserves to be locked up forever, because any person with a soul would know that is not okay no matter who the fuck is telling you to do it.
You’ve really done an amazing job telling this tale. My heart goes out to Christie. It took tremendous strength of character for her to overcome such difficult odds. I hope she has a wonderful life and a good support system about her. Secondly, baby Taylor may God watch over and protect you always. Praying you will grow up to be a man your parents will be proud of.
I don't know if they truly believed the Chris CIA story, but that whole family is truly evil. I'm very glad that the other daughter separated herself from them. Just horrible. Thank you for bringing us another case. 👍🏻
I think the issue was not whether the CIA circumstances were "believable" but that the whole family (and jamie) were in this deceptive feedback loop. If Buddy was telling people he worked for the CIA previously, he was probably feeding Barbara information along the lines of "oh yeah, this is how operatives work, this is similar to my experience". Even though he knew that wasn't true, he was using deception to verify his previous deception and therefore validating something completely absurd. I think they all lied to each other to confirm their previous lies, so that just led to a mountain of misinformation that only continued to build.
When you said, "I dont know how anybody could shoot anyone whilst holding a baby" i literally got chills. Earlier this year, where I'm from (The Bahamas), a young man shot and killed the mother of his child while she was breast feeding their son & then turned the gun on himself. The domestic violence story behind it is super heartbreaking
Personally I think the parents and Jamie were just so unintelligent that they really did believe the whole CIA agent thing. Such a heartbreaking and preventable case. Thank you for your research and hard work Danielle, we love you!💛
I think the parents were delusional, with how they treated their daughter, so it was easier for them to believe their daughter was somehow important enough for the CIA to get involved 😅
I agree, completely delusional..people convince themselves that lies are true. You would think they would realize how outrageous her story was they couldn't possibly be true ..smh..
@@Iron678Maiden ugh some of the more disturbing details keep suddenly coming to mind while I'm in the middle of other stuff :/ as a thick-skinned anti-wuss, I'll reiterate... ALL the warnings are def legit -_-
@@_sowhat_ I have really thick skin when it comes to these kind of videos, but damn, this was shocking, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that she made other people believe her lies.. my heart broke at the end, it's truly scary that we share the planet with these people..
Unfortunately I can believe that people can be convinced of such silly things like it was the CIA emailing them. Think of all the people who give away hundred and thousands of dollars to scammers they meet online thinking they are in a relationship with or other crazy things like that.
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part of the whole deal with being in the CIA is you don’t tell anyone. spouses are at times not even allowed to know. it’s incredibly secretive for both safety reasons and shady reasons. if anyone tells people who are practically strangers that they were in the CIA it’s pretty much a dead giveaway that they’re lying
I always enjoy your Stories....You're definitely a natural in Narrating these stories, also in your Make-up Application... You are a Beauty, not only on the outside, but inside, having a Heart of Gold.. Prayers and BLESSINGS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. CONTINUED SUCCESS!!!!
I've waited all weekend for your next true crime story! Literally checked several times today and was so happy to finally see it! I've listened to it twice already (as if I have nothing else to do)! My husband knows to give me an hour when I say, "I'm listening to Danielle." The story you told us last week was truly disturbing, but absolutely riveting! This story is disturbing in a different way. Those parents ruined that kid. I'm a mother of two and I cannot imagine favoring one over the other! Janelle clearly had/has a developmental disorder such as Asperger's or something, and those parents had the responsibility of getting her the proper guidance and teachers that could help her learn how to communicate in a way that would help her achieve goals in her life. I'm so angry at them because, imho, none of this would have happened had they been better parents. It all comes down to them. I'm not excusing Janelle from the terrible things she did, but I truly believe she wouldn't have turned out like she did if she had parents that faced the truth that their child had issues and had gotten the help she needed. SO thankful the other daughter got out when she did, and I hope she's doing well. Such a tragic story that never had to happen. My sister is a special ed teacher and has seen kids lives turned around with the proper guidance, love, and care. Anyway, I'm looking forward to next week's story! Also, I LOVE your makeup! I have no idea how you do it while telling us such intense stories. I can't talk to anyone when I'm putting eyeliner or mascara on! So glad I found you after Bailey decided to take a much needed break! I'm a faithful Danielle Kirsty fan now and spreading the word! You ROCK!
I swear unfriending someone on FB is like the kiss of the death. Quite literally in this tragic case sadly. I had someone slash my tires after they were unfriended. Though nothing compared to what this couple went through. This was horrible. People just need to get a life and move on. These poor young parents and young son did not deserve any of this.
I remember one time someone from my high school class sent me a friend request and i knew that person but i never spoke to them in high school and it had been 5 years since graduation so i declined cause i dont even really know them and then after they saw i declined their request they sent me a message telling me to k word myself all over a friend request decline....
yeah at first i was like what the hell thats insane, but then I really thought about what crazy drama that actually used to cause. Why did you move me off your top 8?! 😅
i have heard about this case before and it's said that when janelle was sending emails to barbra under the name of chris, she didn't even make a new email id, she was using her own email only and was signing them with the name chris 😭
I like the fact that you talk about the murderers background and psicology snd this is very helpful in order to understand them, and it makes us reflect❤️
I think in cases like these the parents secretly don't want the kids to turn out "better" than them. They try to keep the kids crippled and dependant on them and turn on the kids who are independent and smart. Which is why the one who had sense enough to get out is the one they always demonized because deep down they knew and couldn't manipulate them.
When I was in my early teens my sister, who is 5 years younger, would push, hit or just even verbally be mean to her friends. And with her always complaining to my mom, it became my job to help her win back her friends. Then of course my sister would be angry her friends wanted to play with me and not her so she’d AGAIN lose the friends and my mom would again tell me to go help my sister get her friends back. And then my sister would complain to my mom that I was trying to steal her friends. Yep there I was at 13, wishing I could hang out with 8year olds instead of kids my age, who I called my best friends. Oddly my mom believed it because she’d say “Dee you’re supposed to help her make up with her friends not monopolize her friends!” But then, if my brothers ( I have 3) came up to physically harass me ( like bending my arm behind my back, spitting snot into my hair, pulling my hair or, my brother Tom’s fave, forcing my face into his sweaty armpit) my mom would say “Denise leave your brothers alone! “ So I can relate a bit to Christie’s frustration .
I rarely comment even though I've seen all of Danielle's videos and love them. I just want to say that Topix quite literally ruined my life as a young teenager. This case makes me so sad because it was horrific what I went through with that website. I know how it feels and it doesn't make me feel less alone that other people went through that, it makes me depressed.
Hi Danielle, I enjoy the way you tell these stories. You are so talented. Thank you for all the effort you put in to finding out and telling theses stories.
Great point!!! But tbh, she was set up for failure by her parents in every single way possible. Her parents must’ve gotten that way from their own bad parents, and it’s just a horrible long cycle of generations of bad parenting. Thank god that cycle is now ended and won’t be passed down for yet another generation...
I've been watching your videos all day and when I saw you uploaded a new one I immediately jumped onto here. I have so much appreciation for you Danielle and I always feel so special whenever you thank us in the sponsor bit. I never skip it no matter how often I've seen a sponsor appear because I genuinely want to support you and your awesome work. Thank you so much for everything you do for us ♥
This is the 3rd video of yours that I’ve listened to and wow, well done. RIP to all the victims I’ve heard about. What a scary world. Thanks for the video. 🎉
Can we just take a moment and appreciate how Danielle doing a different perfect eye make up each video 👀 I hope my brain can multitask listening to the stories while learning the detailed make up tutorial 😜
I love your content. I always play your videos in the morning when I get ready for work, cleaning or whenever I’m relaxing. Thank you for all your hard work, I appreciate ya! 💕💕💕
I THANK THE GODS I found your channel. So, I am currently binging! ❤️ Thank you for making this content. I'm sure it's mentally draining and gets you sad/upset. 😔 Having to read and watch about these heartbreaking stories, especially the ones with children. So THANK YOU SO SO MUCH. 💓 Much love for you sweetness. ❤️
As someone who grew up with a manipulative spoiled friend (like she'd regularly get into fights that end with her calling her mom to come to school and yell at the other classmates) I almost fully blame the parents (Barbara and Buddy) for this, they raised her and taught themselves that she is never wrong and that she is the ruler of the world.
Shit this fits the bill for my younger sister and my mom 😬 same bullshit but her friends kissed her butt. She constantly got in trouble and my mom swore it’s the other kids fault. Even when she got caught fiddling willies in the staircase instead of being in class :/ mom swore can’t be her the school just “Likes to lie about her daughter”.
She’s not exactly the ruler of the world if her parents won’t let her do anything.
Some people are really just like that! Lol. But I do agree that a lot of the times it begins with the parents! Its one thing to defend your child but its another thing to be so eluded to think its everyone else all the time! Lol. Ya know, my mom always told me that!! Lmfao!
My Dad worked for the CIA when I was a kid in the 70’s. He worked at Area 51. I just thought he was gone a lot. I didn’t have a clue where or why. I didn’t find out until I was 34 in 2003. Even then it was my Mom who blurted it out and my Dad got mad at her. He DEFINITELY didn’t go around telling anybody about it. I still don’t even know what he did there. He’s gone now so I will never know.
I had a history professor whose dad worked for area 51 and the stories he would tell us blew my mind. He used the freedom of information act to get some stuff released but even then they wouldn’t release most of it. When he was a kid occasionally the feds would go and read their house making sure that they weren’t spies and he said they would come home and it would be a total mess. The next day he would go to school and say random things like don’t you hate it when they come over and mess up your house and then you have to stay up late and clean it. He just thought everyone had to do that. He had all sorts of weird stories like that. He didn’t know until he was an adult and even then he wasn’t supposed to talk about it. He didn’t start talking about it until after 9/11 but even then his dad didn’t say much of anything. For what it’s worth he was the best history teacher I ever had and I took five of his classes and went into history after.
@@randomrebecka6778 yeah, I wish my Dad would’ve said more. He refused to say what he did. Believe me, I tried to get it out of him. Lol
My ex-husband had a friend & coworker in the USAF who suddenly got sent to Nellis AFB in early 2000s. He "disappeared" for almost a year, and when he finally "reappeared", he refused to talk about the special duty assignment he was on. He did disclose to a handful of his close military friends that he was at "Groom Lake" but again he refused to elaborate. But he was never the same after this "special duty assignment"; not exactly suspicious or skeptical of the government but not as trusting of the govt either. Hard to explain. I just remember he wasn't the same laid-back fun-loving personality after he got back. Soooo.... I tend to believe that there is something out there that your dad and others witnessed and/or worked on.
@@k8tina why does that make me feel so sad…i wonder how many people are dealing w/crap they’re afraid to even discuss with a therapist.
I found out one of my grandmas was in the CIA. It was decades before I was born and none of us talk about it. I don’t really have any stories specific to her time working there but I know they gave her a gun and she always carried it. I guess when my dad was a child they were driving in the car and stopped at a red light. My grandma made my dad wear a seat belt even though they were new to cars and most people didn’t use them at the time. A van pulled up behind them and a man got out and ran up and opened the back door. The man grabbed my dad and tried to snatch him but the seat belt slowed him down…giving my grandma enough time to point her gun at them and say “get your hands off my son!!”. Essentially, her working for the CIA could be the only reason I even exist right now. If my dad had been abducted I wouldn’t be here
I'm gonna need Janelle's older sister to write a Reddit story titled: "My entitled parents sided with my spoiled lying sister and now they're all in prison for life."
THIS!!!!!!!
And I want Dabney from RSlash to cover it
Honestly same. And I know it sounds bad but I think it’s for the better that she is in no contact with any of them and not just because they’re all in prison.
@@AlexandraBolzvɓĝĝ😢😢😢
Spoiler alert. Regretting looking at the comments now. Lmao🖤✨
“They unfriended her on Facebook! 😧”
I literally choked. Like, I almost died. 🤣
Like frfr! That was the straw that broke the 🐫 back! I died!🤣🤣🤣
She did an amazing job coving this but u should check out the actual video about this on TH-cam punch in 20/20 unfriended
@@lisalavigne8146 I saw something about her, I'm thinking Dateline did a special, and wOw, If that girl wasn't just the sickest thing you could even imagine of, But mom & dad helped too created her. It's good they're all in jail it's where they belong.
@@reichmuth100 yess they did so did Web of Lies on ID Channel!!
I actually was puzzled how come they were still friends with her on FB after all the shit she put them through
I like to imagine the mum printed out those emails and shredded them thinking that it would destroy them completely- so many stupid people involved in this case!
That's literally what they must've though it would happen. It would be actually hilarious if it didn't happen under such tragic circumstances. Bloody stupid people. Thinking that printing emails and shredding them would get rid of them... Although they were old and social media was kind of at the beginning stages by then, but still...
Lol, they probably had brainstormed and decided that it must be like opening a letter from the mailbox.
@@miaknig3130 Their brain storm was more of just a sprinkle. 🌨💧
@@kimberini6465 a drought 😆 🤣
😂😂😂 damn that’s dumb.
the delivery of the line "Billy and Billie Jean both unfriended Jenelle on Facebook" was hysterical.
why..why did they not do that in the first place 😭
I feel sorry for Tracy. Imagine being kind hearted enough to take a chance and befriend a socially awkward person, only to have that person murder your brother and future sister in-law leaving your nephew an orphan.
Looks like Christie did the right thing by going no contact.
Christie was nearly a victim as well. She had moved in with her great-grandmother to care for her and was working as an EMT. One day her great-grandma took ill and was in the hospital and while Christie was at work her parents and Janelle came by the place and ransacked it. Another time Christie was a home and the Potters came by and pounded on the door and windows shouting at her. Janelle had convinced her parents that Christie was selling drugs out of the fire station and they were looking for evidence of that. of course, it was ridiculous. there were a number of messages from "Chris" to Barbra about how Christie wanted them all dead and was plotting against them etc. If they'd gotten away with killing Billie and Billie Jean she probably would have been next.
@@platedlizard oh boy. I have no words, except I’m glad they’re in jail now and Christie can lead a normal life.
Imagine the guilt of bringing this person into your family/friend group... even though it's absolutely not her fault, I cant imagine how guilty she must feel
Sorry ,people need to learn that being kind hearted does not mean letting in your space weirdos and all sort of criminals on their journey to normality .
Wanting to help should have boundaries and there should be a no trespassing sign in sight at all times.
Problem is that mentally ill (also emotionally ill) need to concentrate their attention in one direction for various reasons.And who ever becomes the focus point for such an individual is in danger if not lost.
Unfortunately ignorance makes many act from their heart but without connecting the brain too.
Brain with no heart = monster
Heart with no brain = dumbo
Connect the two and you will be a complete person.
@@dianet888 I prefer to define:
heart with no brain = naivety
Unfortunately being naive can have fatal consequences.
You’re right. When helping the mentally I’ll you need to do it with established boundaries.
I think what's also sad is Billie Jean was only 23 when she was killed. She was a young mother who had to face harassment and fear before being killed trying to protect her baby. When I think about that it makes me so angry.
Her only ‘crime’ was being with Billy and distancing herself from a nutty bitch who was threatening hers and her unborn child’s life.
This is so sad they didn't even do anything
Imagine being in prison for life and other prisoners ask “what are you in for” then telling this story and how hard they laugh
Yes the CIA instructed me to kill someone and I was catfished by my own daughter who pretended to be the CIA.😂
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I was jealous of Billie Jean, so I had my parents tell her to beat it, sadly I'm no smooth criminal
As a mother, the thought of what Billie Jean went through both terrifies me and breaks my heart. Not only the relentless bullying, whilst pregnant, but the thought of her last moments, desperately clutching her son. Don't get me started on the thought of baby Tyler, in his lifeless mother's arms... How could anyone do such a horrific thing ??? Tyler is 10 years old now, and I hope he has the best life possible ❤ Sending all my warmest thoughts to him and his family. RIP Billy & Billie Jean.
Yes so sad.
Billie Jean was so beautiful. She had to endure a lot before her murder. Endless bullying and harassment from a woman that viewed her as the threat when she (Jenelle) never had a relationship with Billy. I heard that it was endless for Billie Jean. Apparently, in order to prove that she was being bullied and harassed by Billie Jean, Jenelle created fake accounts pretending to be her victim and her victim's friends and saying mean stuff about her just to send police to the home.
Then to be murdered while holding your child in your arms to protect him... that's just cruel. Anybody hurting a defenceless person holding their baby is devoid of anything making them human.
Eeu be
Definitely giving me Lily potter vibes… crazy that Janelle’s last name was potter!
"Jenelle was the mastermind behind this whole plan..." 🙄
"Mastermind" is a bit generous, I think. It wouldn't take much to manipulate this family of geniuses.
Lmao! Love this comment! Hit the nail on the head 😂
LMFAO actually though
That is sad, but funny because it’s true.
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😂 Exactly what I was thinking. There's a whole lot of stupid going on there.
How is Janelle able to create all these aliases without Barbara finding out, if Barbara monitored her every move online?🤔
Magic
@@Sammy53446 that made me ROTFL🤣 Thank you
exactly my thoughts! barbara MUST have known
I saw this on Dateline. They strongly suggest that Barbara was aware of what Jenelle was doing and was the key to getting the two men to act.
Didn't she have another phone?
If the CIA wanted someone dead, why the hell wouldn’t they do it themselves???? This case absolutely IS just ludicrous af!!!! It’s definitely one of the craziest cases I’ve ever heard!
I know this comment is a bit old but there are many things that the CIA would want citizens to do instead of them. For example when the FBI(I know they aren't the same thing, but they are US government organizations), was arresting Ted Kazcynski, the Unabomber, the FBI asked neighbors to check his property to see if it was safe for them to arrest him or if their were any traps. This is the most rediculous recollection I have of CIA or FBI relying on citizens to do their work.
I feel so bad for Christie, abuse between siblings is really common and not talked about. I can't imagine how insane she must've felt with her entire family gaslighthing her about her sister never being in the wrong.
And now Christie's whole family is in prison for the rest of their lives. That's gotta hurt. Honestly she's probably better off now. I hope she's made her own family.
this is genuinely my entire childhood.
Nice PFP 👍
Not to bring fictional characters into this but Loki vibes anyone?
abuse between siblings is VERY real
That family is a whole new level of crazy... All because a happy couple decided to start a family.
Jenelle went to the same high school as I did. My husband graduated with her in 1999, she was a few years ahead of me. We are right outside Philadelphia by about 30 minutes and our town is known for mushrooms. By no means would I compare it to Mountain City,Tennessee but it’s definitely “the suburbs”, so it’s like they took an already reclusive person and isolated them even more by bringing her to Mountain city.
My husband said she was always a bit strange, had a really high pitched voice, and didn’t have any friends , super quiet.
That’s all he really had to say about her . He was friendly with Chris & it was fascinating when this all came out to see people we knew in such a sensationalized story.
I think sometimes the victims in this one can get lost so I appreciate you telling this story in the way that you did.
While the theatrics around it are baffling , Billy and Billie and their child that was left parentless are the true victims here
Kennett square area?
@@IamYogiYoung Mushroom capital of the world!
I was wondering what town by Philly.. I live in bucks County and have lots of family in and around Philly these days.. we're originally from Philly 😁🥰
@@nicoley8491 Me too. NE.
what do you mean by he was friendly with chris? i thought he didn’t exist
Her parents aren't overprotective/overbearing - that's obsessive behavior, she's an adult but isn't allowed to get a job, everyone involved with her must be interviewed, and she can't have access to a vehicle?! I have two relatives (and know a few people) who have mild to severe autism or other learning disabilities and they were never controlled like that. That's not even mentioning the favoritism or no consequences.
Exactly
I had an ex whose parents were exactly like this, and surprise surpise! That person was super toxic.
Oh I have overprotective parents. Even now as an adult, my dad particularly still acts overproctective. But never to THIS extent. This goes beyond overprotective; this is nuts.
Autism is not a learning disability, it's a neurodevelopmental disorder that affects how people process certain types of information
I'm not applauding the stuff her parents did, but..... you honestly don't know how you would handle having a child who isn't neuro-typical (until it happens). I have a daughter who is on the Autism spectrum && I worry about her in a different way than I worry about my other children. She's only 13 rn && I often think/worry about what's going to happen when she becomes a legal adult. 🤷🏻♀️
It took them THAT long to “unfriend” her on facebook?! I would’ve unfriended and blocked her after the first incident!
literally what I thought
Honestly same
Yep and moved far away.. far far away!
Literally thought the same thing
And why the hell didn't they report her for harassment?!?! I mean I'm no cop caller but it was getting Beyond ridiculous
Mom is a narcissist, dad co-dependent, Janelle the golden child and Christie the scapegoat child.
YES.
the red-headed fed-ex stepchild is how she was treated thank goodness she left
Janelle also sounds like she had BPD.
Sounds like my family when you say it like thay
Your labeling ppl and your not a Doctor.
Danielle: she was one of those characters that would get into arguments over the smallest things, she was also one these people that just didn't get along with anyone.
Me: a karen?
I know a karen...she's a real nice lady 🤷♀️
Yes, a Karen
@@dawnbreak3299 they don't mean the nice kind of Karen
Maybe on the spectrum
@@Jamangel my immediate thought.
FINALLY someone covering this!! i grew up in mountain city. i remember when this happened, it shook all of johnson county. obviously no one expects something like this to happen in your small town.
Yes!!! I lived in Boone for a while (school) and we still talked about the crime even then. It was horrifying.
I hope you both have at least A grain of brain, unlike your fellow townsfolk in this story! Holy hell, they don't make peeps in your neck o the woods look competent!
@@skybornex I live in Vilas just outside of Boone. I was born and raised here in Watauga county. I remember when this happened like it was yesterday.
Do you know what happened to Tyler?
Several people have covered this before Danielle
This is even worse than the “Helicopter Parenting”. There’s obsession in keeping her “child-like” , dependent and vulnerable and entitled! Perfect storm ⛈ for raising a psychopath/sociopath.
Right?! I have 4 kids. My oldest is 20 & I have doesn't get life preparing her for the world. That is our job as parents!! Even if they have disabilities or such. You just prepare them the best way for them?! What her parents did was like a form of Munchausen.
Look up Chris Chan
It sounds like extremely narcissistic parenting to me. Narcs tend to have a "golden child" that they dote on and a "scape goat" child, who is blamed for everything, even when it's not their fault. You're right, it's the perfect storm for raising a psycho/sociopath
I was in prison at Tennessee Prison for Women with her and her mom! Her mom is still overprotective and they both continue to tell lies about what actually happened (blaming the victims)
Actually no. First of all, psychopath and sociopaths are not the same. Psychopaths are born this way.
Next, these are not just helicopter parents, there is a highly abusive and controlling mother, and typically it sets up these children to never be able to leave her abuse, or if estranged to become a perfect victim for abuse.
This case is more of an exception, that’s why it’s covered. Don’t make such broad ignorant statements
Can you imagine being Christie? Her whole family is in prison, and never getting out. I hope she's got her own family, a loving and honest family.
Honestly, bet she feels better than ever. She’s never been safer than having them all behind bars.
She was smart to get away from them.
bet she's glad she got out when she did...
From the reports, it seems that she was no contact or very low contact to begin with? Seems like the moment she turned eighteen, she got out of that home and put as much distance between these people and herself as she possibly could. I do hope she's doing well, though.
I can lol cause that’s what mine is. I ended up cutting them off cause it’s not healthy anymore. You won’t believe the excuses they can come up with just to cover up for their favorite child and make you look like and feel like it’s entirely yout fault 😂
The level of crazy in this story blows my mind. Clearly, the parents weren't all there, and they passed that down to their daughter.
*Billie Jean & Billy having a healthy, happy relationship and minding their new parents business*
Janelle- "And I took that personally"
Obviously she’s not a “ normal “ person
oh my god
Her parents thought their daughter was too unintelligent to care for herself, yet she was clearly smarter than both
parents combined
Well said, indeed
This is all I’ve been thinking since Chris came into the picture.
… and considering how ridiculous the daughter was, this does not speak well for Mommy and Daddy 🫠
Ye that was strange to me. Parents usually want their kids to thrive, not be stuck in the house. That family genes need to be wiped. Something is clearly wrong.
@@randomclod385 munchausen by syndrome. Instead of purposely making them sick if the child has any kind of sicknesses, mental health issues, social awkwardness etc the parents want them to just be around forever. My mom was like this she told my father that she wanted a kid that had mental health issues or some kind of neurological issue where they would need to always be taken care of! She never taught me how to drive a car but let my brothers get cars. She'll never taught me how to do anything so when I got pregnant at 21 with the daughter I promise to be different and she still tries to be involved in my life. I let her have a relationship with my daughter but our relationship is done. She was also like this with my other brother where he could have possibly had learning disabilities and she got extra taxes for him until he was 21 because he was living at her house. She would let him work and encourage that but she wanted to always be involved and always wanted her kids to live with her. Just the other day she asked me if I'm really sick or if my husband dies would you please come live with me? even though she knows that we have a home and it's very close to hers and I said I would always help her but it's a very bad dysfunctional mental illness. Maybe it's not Munchausen by proxy but it's some kind of controlling wanting to keep the kid around and probably liking the attention that people give them because they seem like such courageous parents.
I live fairly close to Mountain City, TN and remember this case well. It was seriously crazy! So very sad for all the victims involved, especially Tyler. I hope he has had a loving family to raise him and has heard wonderful loving stories about his parents. Your channel is one of my favorites and the way you present these crime and makeup stories are unbelievably awesome. I’m so glad I found your channel. Keep them coming Danielle. From Kingsport, TN
Girl you rock. I’ve never seen so many cases I’ve never heard of. Let’s get this woman to a million! You deserve it!! 💜
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That chapter made a video on this last year. Pretty good
Me too and i get so excited for each episode
So sad for baby Tyler. Lost both of his parents over nothing. My heart breaks 💔😡😢
The one thing that made me feel better is that 7 month olds really aren’t able to form true memories yet. So, on the bright side, he shouldn’t be able to remember at all.
This is what happens when you raise a child without teaching them about accountability or consequences. They are just as guilty as her, and it gives me strong Casey Anthony vibes.
My thoughts exactly! They literally created a monster!
I'm gonna give Casey Anthony's parents a teeny tiny more credit than this.
@@faycoleman9023 I wouldn't, they weren't better. They let Casey lie her way through life without any consequence.
Wait, who was Casey Anthony?
@@eren34558 She was a teen mom and pathological liar who wanted to party and her infant daughter was in the way so she probably killed her. The case is considered unsolved and Anthony was found not guilty, but most people believe she is indeed guilty. If you want more info check out Stephanie Harlowe's deep dive, it's a fascinating series of a few long episodes.
I have heard this story several times from several different sources. It always confused me. I wasn't able to keep the parties straight and the back story of the overprotective parents was never told. You are the first one that untangled the parties and the plots in a straight forward and clear way. I now know what happened and why. Thank you
Do you remember that sort of handsome (he is lucky he didn't live in the same town as Janelle or he might be dead) guy that had gone to school with Janelle that was brought into it, I think he even testified and was tripping because he had no idea his photo was being used. I think he was a...cop? I am so happy this family is in jail so people don't have to put up with their bullying anymore.
I was in jail with Janelle in Unicoi County, Tennessee when she waiting to go to court for this. She was a trip for sure. Her dad would write her and say that he missed cuddling her and called her his "little teddy bear" it was awkward to say the least. She claimed to be innocent until the end though but obviously she WAS NOT! And she was so much smarter than she pretended to be. And Barbara actually did believe "Chris" I think because "Chris" told them that he had been watching Billy for a while because he and Billy Jean had taken young girls before and killed them, raped them,sold them and they were satanic. That's how he ("Chris") found out about Janelle. That Chapter and 20/ 20 did great covering this story
I think the parents did believe that "Chris" was real and from the C.I.A. The mother being the way she is, entitled, of course she was that important for the C.I.A. to contact her about her special daughter. 🙄.
Keep up the AMAZING work! Looking forward to more cases covered by you❣
They are just dumb. How do CIA contact people like that? They carry their mission secretly.
Same. She absolutely bought it. Even though the emails were coming from Janelle”s email. She didn’t even make a fake account!
@@dontmindme633 wait seriously!!!
@@dontmindme633 she didn’t even make a fake email? It was just from her person email?
@@amandajanebush4939 yes!!
This sister dynamic reminds me a lot of my mom and my aunt. My aunt was the younger sister, and she was spoiled by my great grandmother. My mom was a very polite, independent young lady who put herself through ballet lessons by cleaning the studio. My aunt would sneak out at night and bully kids at school. She would cut up my mom’s clothes and at one point threw one of the old, heavy phones at my mom’s back and hurt her.
To this day, my aunt has: cheated on her husband multiple times, adopted and promptly given away multiple pets, wastes money on expensive purses and clothes when they can’t pay their bills, has threatened my grandma on a few occasions that she’d never see her grandchildren ever again because they had an argument, etc.
She’s a monster and she’s gotten what she’s wanted her whole life. Amazingly, her older daughter is beautifully well-adjusted. She’s a bright, hard worker who stands up for her friends. The only sad thing is that she’s mean to her little sister, because my aunt has always treated the younger one better. She and her husband would spank the older one, yell at her, make fun of her when she cried, etc. My mom and I were always around to clean up the mess her parent’s made, and would talk to her like a person. My mom knows how her mother is and has always tried to offer a respite from the chaos. My mom was also the black sheep of the family for pointing out toxic patterns and blatant lies.
younger children often become favourites and unfortunate victims of coddling - they grow up to be absolutely not adjusted to real world, while older children go low/no contact
I think that Jamie, her boyfriend, believed the plot, bc he wouldn’t have asked the police if the CIA was there if he didn’t believe it.
I agree. He wasn't aware of the history of Jenelle's lies and her parents' enabling behavior, so he had no reason to doubt the story.
Yep, and it matches up with the previous mention of him being not that bright… sounds like perhaps the combo of not being very intelligent, not having any friends and falling so hard for his first girlfriend has made him the perfect target to manipulate.
I agree, he must be special needs. I almost felt sorry for him. But the rest are just plain awful
I was in my twenties in the 2,000’s. My parents didn’t understand the Internet at all at that point. It was all so new. I feel like her mom and dad probably did believe it because people took stuff like that at face value then. If she thought she was talking to someone from the CIA she probably did. Catfishing was so new then. So new it didn’t have a name lol. I am feeling a bit old now. I feel so sorry for Billy and Billy Jean’s family.
agreed and they don’t seem the brightest, even now people believe insane things online i just don’t know how people can be so dumb
That’s so true, I didn’t think of it in that way until I read this comment. There’s people even now that still get scammed out of thousands or hundreds of thousands and scamming/catfishing all of it has been talked about for years now, most people understand it yet there’s always still a few out there that fall victim.
Exactly. & they thought their daughter had learning disabilities so they would have never thought it was her but this person emailing them had all this personal information so they were like “clearly CIA- they’re the only ones who could know all these intimate details! They know everything!” Lol
As a wise man once said, it is a lot easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone they have been fooled. : )
Good point.
My ex is like this. His mom always made excuses for him his whole life he even admitted it and he didn’t like it but it make him feel like he was over everyone. It made him into a narcissist
Good thing you're not with him anymore
Yup my ex boyfriend was abusive mother didn't see anything wrong with his abusive behaviour
I'll have to comment on the story some other time. Right now I'm astounded at how steady your hand is as you put on your makeup AND speak at the same time!!! You go girl. Great job!!!!!
And now, I'll listen to the story. I do love a mystery! So far, it's incredibly sad though.
I have met people that believed that putting a dead snake belly up in the road would make it rain. I have 100% met people that would fall for all this. Never underestimate the potential stupidity of people.
I agree with you. My thought is that the parents are unaware narcissists and think their daughter is such a valuable person therefore she would definitely draw the attention of the CIA. Grandiose thinking on their part.
Came here to say this. Also, I’ve spent a lot of time in those kinds of backwoods towns In the US. I lived in one. The people there are DEFINITELY uneducated enough to fall for that CIA story.
i believed my ex loved me; trust me, there’s people THAT stupid in the world 💀💀
If stupidity was fuel, we could all travel through the universe forever, by just plugging them in as batteries.
@@hollyhansen8428, I’m here to say this to you. I was born and raised in a small town in the south but as an adult I have lived in very large cities and I can tell you that living in both you can find just as many educated/uneducated, common sense/zero common sense, etc etc people from both. Let us not forget that the “masterminds” 😂 of this story were NOT from the small town in Tennessee. They were from a very large city. They were vile, evil idiots from a large city and not from a small, backwards and uneducated town as you suggest.
Yo. I feel for Christy. Truth tellers are a very real role in narcissistic families. I'm sure she was their scapegoat. I'm glad she got out.
You are such a beautiful person. I love that you can laugh at yourself... I really enjoy the stories you tell. Thank you for sharing these with us.
There is no way someone can be that stupid to believe the CIA were interested in a petty small town “bullying” issue. I think the parents acted as they had always, and went along to “make baby feel better” because as we all know “No one puts baby in the corner”. So sad and sadistic killing a mother holding her child. There is a special place for people like that. Have a wonderful week Danielle 🌸❤️🌸
I agree. There are people who will believe much crazier things than you’d ever think possible, but the CIA wanting to get a civilian to preemptively murder someone over local bullying is just too much. If only one person claimed that, I could possibly believe that they were suffering from a serious psychological disorder, but 3 adults? This was imho the wildest case yet on this channel! (That I’ve watched so far)
Also, thank you Danielle for starting your podcasts! I always let these cases play while I’m doing things to make the time go faster, and the podcast format is perfect for these!
nah. you’d be surprised. ppl blv the wildest, most ridiculous shit.
so TBH, if they did or didn’t, i wouldn’t be surprised either way. actually, no, i’d be more surprised if they didn’t.
@@hellaSwankkyToo you are right … ppl do believe some of the dumbest things
Let’s not forget that this was in the early 2000s when the internet was new, everyone was either skeptical of its existence or gullible enough to believe everything they read/see online. At least today we know how the internet works and we’re well aware not everything posted on social media is real but people back then didn’t know that, people back then used the internet as like an extension to real life rather than just a place for media content. Barbara doesn’t seem to be the smartest person so it’s not surprising she would be gullible enough to fall for all of it.
especially considering that the CIA focuses on foreign threats. FBI is concerned with domestic issues, however. so it’s even more absurd.
It was proven that Buddy never worked for the CIA, plus he was indicted in federal court for altering his military record to show awards he never received (he claimed to be responsible for the acts of another Marine, he also wore false medals, which is illegal, and was part of the indictment.)
Janelle and her idiot mother still claim that "Chris" is real, with Janelle, in particular, doubling down on her story and claims that it wasn't her pretending to be "Chris."
They were trying to get a new trial a few years ago (around 2017, if memory serves me correctly) but were ultimately denied.
These knuckle draggers are hilarious to watch in interviews, highly recommend 👌 🤣
So was Buddy ever in the military?
@@bernicedavidson9994 he was, yes.
He served in Vietnam, however I'm unsure in which capacity.
The mother was allowed a new sentencing in 2021 She plead guilty and was sentenced to 25 years including her time served.
@@tartnouveau3652I can’t recall how old age was but presumably that means she could be released before she dies of old age? That’s unbelievable.
Thank you for all your fantastic media content. You are an incredible storyteller; I am fascinated with every new story you release as you paint a fascinating picture with facts and information. Finding compelling narratives requires plenty of effort, but your work is the cream of the top. I wish you and your channel the best.
I’ve heard this crazy story before but when it comes to Danielle, MrBallen and Mike from ThatChapter I will listen over and over 😊
Same
Literally my same three 👏
%10000 agree
We’ve all got good taste!
Anyone know what happened to James?
Twisted minds I think was the channel but I can no longer find it.
I found my name on Topix once! I worked at a gas station when I was 17, so I guess I became known. I was described as "hot, but a bitch." Rebuffing "romantic" advances by people much older than me when I was still a minor made me a bitch, I guess.
😂 you absolute cur.
It's most definitely people who are threatened by younger people especially younger girls
There is no one on TH-cam I enjoy listening to more than you! The way you get straight to the point and give so many details is amazing!
Completely unrelated but I live for the nail/makeup coordination that Danielle graces us with every week.
So do I. I wish I had that talent.
i feel like the parents didn't buy the CIA story, but jamie did. cause when they were spoeaking to the police he asked if the CIA was there. you also mentioned he was very socially awkward and jenelle was his first girlfriend so maybe he was overly naïve and easier to fool than most people...but hard to say
That’s what I was thinking. If he didn’t buy it, I don’t think he would’ve mentioned the CIA or anything at all. Versus the Potters who tried to get rid of evidence.
Idk with the way they printed out the emails to shred them makes me think they are computer illiterate and probably really thought that would "delete" the emails by getting them off the computer which then makes me think of how gullible a lot of older people are with scammers exc when they get on the Internet that they don't really understand how to use, so I think they probably did believe it in a way 💀
@@RowanVerditeNova that's another good point too
there's a lot more to the story and actually, they believed the CIA thing 100%. Buddy had been telling everyone he was CIA, not retired CIA, active, for so long I think he believed it. He came up with that story in the first place and started telling it soon after Viet Nam. Janelle picked up on it and it was part of her inspiration for "Chris", she invented a CIA operative who while he was spying on her enemies was also trying to unknot Buddy's CIA paperwork so he could have his official CIA badge. They had this whole fantasy life that had become a full-on shared delusion.
@snail ooze- Oh no doubt they thought printing out and shredding the emails would get rid of them. They had to have deleted them too? Maybe? Maybe not.
I’m a 65 year old great grandma and I can’t keep up with all of these, Thanks Danielle I love 💕 love 💕 your cases,you have a wonderful true crime channel,and I love 💕 your ability to tell us what we need to know about these cases, you are awesome!!!❤❤❤
Mother trying to save her son in her last moment is like Harry Potter scene. But in this story, Potters are the evil ones. So sad…
30:00 I think janelle was saying her “brother was standing up for her “ because in her mind, she was being betrayed by billy since she always saw them in a future relationship
Hey Daniella, I just wanted tell you that of all the true crime broadcasts, you are the best. I love true crime so I listen to a lot.
They moved to Mountain City because Barbara’s Mom lived around there and was in poor health. Buddy was ready to leave Kennett Square PA because he got busted and charged with valor after lying about his medals earned in the Military.
You mean stolen valor?
Charged with Valor?
I was going to say, Buddy reeked of stolen valor.
Oh no, Kennett Square?! I grew up half an hour from there and am only two years apart in age from Janelle. I’m so glad I never met her or her parents!! 😱
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The part about her printing the emails and then shredding them was strange to me. Was she trying to delete the evidence. The evidence that is literally on the computer. Why didn't they just check her emails?? Like what is this?? lol this whole case was just a mess
Lmao they probably didn't know enough about technology and it somehow made sense to them that that would delete the evidence 😅😅😅
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The CIA(Janelle) probably told them to delete the emails after reading. But they printed them out first. And were getting rid of the evidence, but weren’t fast enough.
Could be wrong, but only way it makes any sense to me.
@@BellumCarroll oh! I never even thought of that 🤔 It just seemed to happen so quickly , that part really threw me off
Frankly I think they’re all just incredibly dumb.
I watched this the day my baby turned 7 months old…I hope that Tyler’s life turned out for the absolute best…I could not *imagine*…people are so…evil…it just breaks me…
My baby is turning 7 months this month and I literally had to pause the video because I broke down and started crying at Billie Jean’s last act of love for her son. My son woke up crying for a bottle and after giving it to him, I just held him so tight. I couldn’t imagine the fear she felt, not only for herself but for that sweet baby as well. I hope he’s okay and know how much his parents loved him 💔
@@MiseryLovesMe92 post pregnancy hormones I remember those days! It is really heartbreaking I don't know how someone could take family away.
Wow. This one was nuts. Poor baby Tyler. ☹️ I'm glad Christine got away from her family.
you are my fav true crime youtuber. You have empathy and feeling behind the stories and it really adds a positive spin if that is even possible. I have been trying to not watch as much true crime stuff for my mental health and I can stand to watch your videos. Thank you for adding a human aspect not just facts facts facts no feeling.
15 mins in and I can honestly say if I saw Jenelle and her parents coming my way I would run for the hills. They give me bad vibes just from looking at their pictures 😅 I’m also so weirded out by the parents’ obsessive behavior with Jenelle. How did they even have time for this?!
I felt the exact same way when I looked at their pictures. I could see crazy in their eyes.
@@dancingfirefly7761 you're right, you can definitely see it in the eyes 👁👁
@@dancingfirefly7761 Their eyes got me too.
I have to admit that this Jenelle is just plain gross ...
@@Ams_5590 exactly! and Jenelle's smile too, sheesh. creepy.
I was recently in the psych ward for a few days because of extreme anxiety and the book was there of this case I got out before I was able to finish the story I got to the point that the police started putting 2 and 2 together and then I got out 😭 IM SO HAPPY YOU COVERED THIS CASE! I didn't even know it was a real case 😳
I hope you’re doing better 💜
How are you, Samantha Marie? Are you managing your anxiety better?
I hope you’re feeling better now. 🤗💜
Been there. Twice actually. I hope you’re feeling so much better ❤️
hope you’re feeling better now
Hi there!! Cathy from Hollywood, FL-
I’ve watched several of your videos and have changed the way I clean my home! Thank you for helping to make my life easie! 😃
I think that the boyfriend was completely convinced. Him asking the police about the CIA man seems to me like he genuinely believed the story. Janelle was a great manipulator even though she was a horrible liar and clearly wasn’t the brightest bulb. Her parents sound like narcissists to me, who took so much pride in having a daughter who was the center of attention so that they felt important that they based their entire lives on Janelle because she made them feel special. I think deep down they probably knew, or at least had enough doubts that they should’ve known better. Either way, they’re clearly insane and anyone can murder a mother while she holds her baby is a sick individual and he 100% deserves to be locked up forever, because any person with a soul would know that is not okay no matter who the fuck is telling you to do it.
You summed it up well. I totally agree
100% agree. You've hit it on the nail.
i don’t know what i was expecting with this case, but i did NOT expect it to unfold like that.
You’ve really done an amazing job telling this tale. My heart goes out to Christie. It took tremendous strength of character for her to overcome such difficult odds. I hope she has a wonderful life and a good support system about her.
Secondly, baby Taylor may God watch over and protect you always. Praying you will grow up to be a man your parents will be proud of.
I don't know if they truly believed the Chris CIA story, but that whole family is truly evil. I'm very glad that the other daughter separated herself from them. Just horrible. Thank you for bringing us another case. 👍🏻
I think the issue was not whether the CIA circumstances were "believable" but that the whole family (and jamie) were in this deceptive feedback loop. If Buddy was telling people he worked for the CIA previously, he was probably feeding Barbara information along the lines of "oh yeah, this is how operatives work, this is similar to my experience". Even though he knew that wasn't true, he was using deception to verify his previous deception and therefore validating something completely absurd. I think they all lied to each other to confirm their previous lies, so that just led to a mountain of misinformation that only continued to build.
You rock, Danielle. I love true crime documentaries, but yours are the best, and I love your makeup.
When you said, "I dont know how anybody could shoot anyone whilst holding a baby" i literally got chills. Earlier this year, where I'm from (The Bahamas), a young man shot and killed the mother of his child while she was breast feeding their son & then turned the gun on himself. The domestic violence story behind it is super heartbreaking
Personally I think the parents and Jamie were just so unintelligent that they really did believe the whole CIA agent thing. Such a heartbreaking and preventable case. Thank you for your research and hard work Danielle, we love you!💛
I think the parents were delusional, with how they treated their daughter, so it was easier for them to believe their daughter was somehow important enough for the CIA to get involved 😅
I 100% agree, whenever you think people can’t be any more unintelligent, someone comes along to prove it can be worse. 😏
I agree, completely delusional..people convince themselves that lies are true. You would think they would realize how outrageous her story was they couldn't possibly be true ..smh..
I totally agree. I think both parents and Jamie were full blown idiots. And also loved Janelle so much they would do anything to cover her.
This is a case of the blind leading the blind 😭😭
Is anyone else AMAZED at how long it took them to unfriend her?! 😂😂😂😂
Definitely!
I missed last few videos, and I'm gonna spend this whole day catching up! It's too hot here to do anything... hope you're good, Danielle 🌹💜
Good luck to you, hope you can sleep afterwards
Warning last video will give you nightmares
@@Iron678Maiden ugh some of the more disturbing details keep suddenly coming to mind while I'm in the middle of other stuff :/ as a thick-skinned anti-wuss, I'll reiterate... ALL the warnings are def legit -_-
@@_sowhat_ I have really thick skin when it comes to these kind of videos, but damn, this was shocking, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that she made other people believe her lies.. my heart broke at the end, it's truly scary that we share the planet with these people..
Yea it’s 100 here, but it feels like 105 I’m in Memphis Tennessee
Unfortunately I can believe that people can be convinced of such silly things like it was the CIA emailing them. Think of all the people who give away hundred and thousands of dollars to scammers they meet online thinking they are in a relationship with or other crazy things like that.
My friend keeps getting tricked by the same dude!! It's so obviously a scam and I can't convince him otherwise .
All the people who voted for Biden.
Hey girl hey, you are so close to hitting 600 K and you absolutely deserve all the success that has come your way. It’s inevitable and I know that one day very soon you’re gonna hit 1 million subs. You’re always super consistent with your uploads, and your videos are always so respectful and so informative and I just wanted you to know how appreciated you are❣️🫶🏼
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You bring your CA morals and politics to NV?
@@_sowhat_
Stop
@@_sowhat_ How do you know she’s a lib??
@@erinw.9256 why
This one was really out there. Thanks Danielle for all your hard work to keep us entertained and informed.
part of the whole deal with being in the CIA is you don’t tell anyone. spouses are at times not even allowed to know. it’s incredibly secretive for both safety reasons and shady reasons.
if anyone tells people who are practically strangers that they were in the CIA it’s pretty much a dead giveaway that they’re lying
Love your videos! You are a gifted storyteller and I couldn't be happier about the podcast! Double Danielle! Yay! 🥰 Keep it up Queen! 👑
Right. I love her podcast as well 💝
I always enjoy your Stories....You're definitely a natural in Narrating these stories, also in your Make-up Application...
You are a Beauty, not only on the outside, but inside, having a Heart of Gold..
Prayers and BLESSINGS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
CONTINUED SUCCESS!!!!
I've waited all weekend for your next true crime story! Literally checked several times today and was so happy to finally see it! I've listened to it twice already (as if I have nothing else to do)! My husband knows to give me an hour when I say, "I'm listening to Danielle." The story you told us last week was truly disturbing, but absolutely riveting! This story is disturbing in a different way. Those parents ruined that kid. I'm a mother of two and I cannot imagine favoring one over the other! Janelle clearly had/has a developmental disorder such as Asperger's or something, and those parents had the responsibility of getting her the proper guidance and teachers that could help her learn how to communicate in a way that would help her achieve goals in her life. I'm so angry at them because, imho, none of this would have happened had they been better parents. It all comes down to them. I'm not excusing Janelle from the terrible things she did, but I truly believe she wouldn't have turned out like she did if she had parents that faced the truth that their child had issues and had gotten the help she needed. SO thankful the other daughter got out when she did, and I hope she's doing well. Such a tragic story that never had to happen. My sister is a special ed teacher and has seen kids lives turned around with the proper guidance, love, and care. Anyway, I'm looking forward to next week's story! Also, I LOVE your makeup! I have no idea how you do it while telling us such intense stories. I can't talk to anyone when I'm putting eyeliner or mascara on! So glad I found you after Bailey decided to take a much needed break! I'm a faithful Danielle Kirsty fan now and spreading the word! You ROCK!
I swear unfriending someone on FB is like the kiss of the death. Quite literally in this tragic case sadly. I had someone slash my tires after they were unfriended. Though nothing compared to what this couple went through. This was horrible. People just need to get a life and move on. These poor young parents and young son did not deserve any of this.
I remember one time someone from my high school class sent me a friend request and i knew that person but i never spoke to them in high school and it had been 5 years since graduation so i declined cause i dont even really know them and then after they saw i declined their request they sent me a message telling me to k word myself all over a friend request decline....
yeah at first i was like what the hell thats insane, but then I really thought about what crazy drama that actually used to cause. Why did you move me off your top 8?! 😅
i have heard about this case before and it's said that when janelle was sending emails to barbra under the name of chris, she didn't even make a new email id, she was using her own email only and was signing them with the name chris 😭
lol considering she continued to use the name Potter in her slandering campaign, that comes as little surprise
Last time I heard about someone killing a parent with a child in their arms, it also included Potters, but roles were reversed....
I thought this same exact thing 😅
Right?? Some sort of twisted version of the story!
Currently dead on the sofa nursing the mother of all hangovers, Danielle, thanks for this! Just what I needed
Same for me, but with a migraine. Danielle’s voice is so soothing, so I’m excited about that as much as the case and the story behind it. 🤕
RIP
Relatable!
Same girl lol
Same, but organizing a closet 😩
I like the fact that you talk about the murderers background and psicology snd this is very helpful in order to understand them, and it makes us reflect❤️
This is so unbelievable, her sister did right when she left that family, poor Billy's, I hope Tyler doesn't have any trauma
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Hopefully Tyler was taken in by a family member (maybe his Aunt Tracy).
I don’t know why but I laughed out loud about the shredded e-mails. The parents were so messed up.
I think in cases like these the parents secretly don't want the kids to turn out "better" than them. They try to keep the kids crippled and dependant on them and turn on the kids who are independent and smart. Which is why the one who had sense enough to get out is the one they always demonized because deep down they knew and couldn't manipulate them.
this gave me the same sickly feeling i got hearing about the cannibal frat boy case. its so devastating to hear about sick people do horrible things
When I was in my early teens my sister, who is 5 years younger, would push, hit or just even verbally be mean to her friends. And with her always complaining to my mom, it became my job to help her win back her friends. Then of course my sister would be angry her friends wanted to play with me and not her so she’d AGAIN lose the friends and my mom would again tell me to go help my sister get her friends back. And then my sister would complain to my mom that I was trying to steal her friends. Yep there I was at 13, wishing I could hang out with 8year olds instead of kids my age, who I called my best friends.
Oddly my mom believed it because she’d say “Dee you’re supposed to help her make up with her friends not monopolize her friends!”
But then, if my brothers ( I have 3) came up to physically harass me ( like bending my arm behind my back, spitting snot into my hair, pulling my hair or, my brother Tom’s fave, forcing my face into his sweaty armpit) my mom would say “Denise leave your brothers alone! “
So I can relate a bit to Christie’s frustration .
I've watched many of your shows and I just love your compassionate heart ❤️😊
I have seen documentaries on this case before, yours was by far the most informative. Thank you. A most bizarre and sad case.
Right? I didn’t know she had a sister!
I rarely comment even though I've seen all of Danielle's videos and love them. I just want to say that Topix quite literally ruined my life as a young teenager. This case makes me so sad because it was horrific what I went through with that website. I know how it feels and it doesn't make me feel less alone that other people went through that, it makes me depressed.
I am so sorry that you experienced that and hope you are happy these days
I’m so sorry for what you went through!
😔❤️🩹 I’m so sorry for the pain you went through. That is so awful. I hope you’ve healed and are doing well now.
Hi Danielle, I enjoy the way you tell these stories. You are so talented. Thank you for all the effort you put in to finding out and telling theses stories.
It’s a good thing, Janelle didn’t have children. Can you imagine what those poor kids would’ve been through.
Great point!!! But tbh, she was set up for failure by her parents in every single way possible. Her parents must’ve gotten that way from their own bad parents, and it’s just a horrible long cycle of generations of bad parenting. Thank god that cycle is now ended and won’t be passed down for yet another generation...
That would have resulted in 3 generations of Karens.
@@jayesimond9301 Lmaooo!
I've been watching your videos all day and when I saw you uploaded a new one I immediately jumped onto here. I have so much appreciation for you Danielle and I always feel so special whenever you thank us in the sponsor bit. I never skip it no matter how often I've seen a sponsor appear because I genuinely want to support you and your awesome work. Thank you so much for everything you do for us ♥
This is the 3rd video of yours that I’ve listened to and wow, well done. RIP to all the victims I’ve heard about. What a scary world.
Thanks for the video. 🎉
I watched an interview with Janelle and she was so delusional. Such a shame people had to die because of that coward.
Janelle believed the whole town was jealous of those glowing yellow teeth and her enviable figure. I wonder if her house had mirrors.
Lmaoooo!!!. Her face just bothered me so much lol.
Yes. I'd have slapped her a few times. Ridiculous way to raise a kid.
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She probably wasn’t allowed to look in them
Can we just take a moment and appreciate how Danielle doing a different perfect eye make up each video 👀 I hope my brain can multitask listening to the stories while learning the detailed make up tutorial 😜
I love your content. I always play your videos in the morning when I get ready for work, cleaning or whenever I’m relaxing. Thank you for all your hard work, I appreciate ya! 💕💕💕
I THANK THE GODS I found your channel. So, I am currently binging! ❤️ Thank you for making this content. I'm sure it's mentally draining and gets you sad/upset. 😔 Having to read and watch about these heartbreaking stories, especially the ones with children. So THANK YOU SO SO MUCH. 💓 Much love for you sweetness. ❤️