really great vid - as always. I would like to see a model trained purely on gameplay of a highskilled carmageddon 1-3 driver tho. yeah, not really - as I am a responsible father - but hey.
I also have a HW3 Model S (2022) and have been testing the same software release 12.5.1.5. My experience has been very similar to yours with one exception - a very serious intervention that I dont recall EVER seeing before. I was stopped at a red traffic light in the left lane of a 3 lane road waiting to make a left turn. The light remained red in my lane and the right lane light changed from solid red to a green right arrow allowing cars in the right lane to turn right and simultaneously cars coming from the right had a green left arrow to turn onto the street I was stopped on. Our car started to go through the intersection directly through the red light with crossing traffic turning directly in front of us. I never saw anything like this before. BE CAREFUL AT RED LIGHTS!
Same thing here, I tend to turn off auto pilot during these situations and the software still beeps to signal the light turned green even though it’s not in my lane.
Dude. Your FSD videos are the best. Bar none. Keep up the good work. Your experienced commentary brings valuable perspective and nuance to the technology (which is mostly missing in from other FSD testers). Keep up the great work!
I agree with you. I have a 2023 My hw3 12.5.1. It is such a pleasure to be in. Our son and his wife came to visit recently. They couldn't tell it was in fsd. Our son, who is very critical of all things electronic, told me he didn't know Tesla was this advanced. Coming from him, that is a gigantic compliment. Thanks Bob
I'd guess it's just a matter of competition. There are quite a few other people making virtually identical content by sticking a camera in their car and narrating it.
Once FSD appears out of nowhere for normal people many will come back and watch these wondering how they missed it. I have only been watching for a few months and its still shocking me.
This is 6 year old hardware, people. The significance of this is extremely underrated by the general public. Gosh I hope someone writes a book on the autopilot journey.
@@joegeezly9613 The point is he promised FSD which sold it more ... that is more than being optimistic ... it is misleading. They faked a video and sold more FSD. He has done it for years and new people coming to Tesla then buy into it and purchase FSD only for years later to not have it. See the issue. -- keep in mind I'm a l-o-n-g time FSD user. I've followed it closely and seen the ramification of him misleading people and taking their money.
They didn't sell us, "maybe it will work someday on your car. give us 15k and find out". they sold us "coming soon (on this vehicle)". they need to make this right. end of story
Love how you still call it HW4 and not AI4. Can't really get used to the AI naming scheme. HW makes a lot more sense to me, due to AI being the FSD Software, and AI does not imply the use of HW e.g. cameras. Impressive how HW3 performs. Interested to see how it will do in the feature when HW4 is off its emulation mode, with the new Supercomputer.
HW5 will be officially named AI5, and that's where I would agree it's fine to call it that, since it was never officially called HW5 to begin with. But otherwise I agree.
i find it really annoying when people misuse the term AI or use it in an awkward way. So often, I hear "AI", when "the AI" or "an AI" would have sounded so much better.
And also HW4 has advantages that have nothing to do with AI. Higher resolution dash cam, for one. AI4 is just AI marketing hype. Whatever. Fine. It's popular right now.
My HW4 Model X makes a lot of adjustments during turns. I find it comforting, as it conveys that the car is aware of the curb and making room for it. It's very human-like. Rather than it being a HW3/HW4 issue, it may simply be reflective of the larger vehicles.
I think so. My Model 3/HW3 doesn't do that. My guess is that they have a LOT more training data for Model 3/Y than for Model S/X just because of the relative numbers.
That clip of the car slowing down drastically for the child on the bicycle gave me goosebumps. God bless Tesla for prioritizing safety and valuing human life
Yeah - I just got 12.5 on my 2019 Model 3 yesterday - I gave it a work-out in my local area and have yet to have a single intervention! For the first time, it drove up my long driveway instead of telling me "Navigation Complete" before getting there. It also slowed down to an appropriate 28 mph in a 25 mph hospital zone for the first time - nice! One particular junction where it got into the wrong lane 100% of the time is also fixed. I had been very worried that 12.3 was going to be the end of the road for version 3 hardware - especially after Musk said that it would be very difficult to implement 12.4. Still, it would have been sweet to get a free hardware upgrade. But I feel that *FINALLY* the promise of having a car that drives itself has actually been achieved - and my $6000 was well-spent. FSD doesn't drive like me - it feels more like riding with a stranger doing the driving...not bad, just different. Losing the steering-wheel wiggle is **HUGE**.
I just got 12.5 for my MY today. HW3. I took a route that I usually take. Wow. There were 3 areas where the car wasn't good before. 1st, Stop sign is about 8 feet before the stop line. Car would stop at stop sign, then pull ahead to the stop line and stop again. It would very slowly pull out into the intersection. Now, it stops at the stop sign and cautiously pulls into the intersection and goes. 2nd, a couple blocks later it would slow to half it's speed, then return to regular speed. Now it maintains speed. 3rd, further down the road, this is a 3 lane road. 1 lane each direction and the center lane for left turns only. They have flop over barricades spaced out to prevent passing. The car would get over too soon to turn left and almost hit the barricade. I would disengage each time. This time, it waited to get in the left turn lane until after the barricade. It would do each of these things every time. Needless to say, I was impressed. Thumbs up for 12.5 Thanks Bob
Yeah - one place near me - a narrow two-lane road turns into a four lane at a junction with stop-lights - and there are FIVE lanes - adding a left-turn lane that right in the middle of the road. Turning left there, 12.3 would get all nervous, indecisive and 'wiggly' and then pick one of the straight through lanes and then panic as it realized it could no longer turn left. It did this 100% of the time - and drove me nuts! Finally, in 12.5 it does it correctly and confidently - HOORAY!!
It's kind of amazing that a car you've owned for so many years is suddenly able to drive itself around like this. I know we all like to complain about HW3 and Elon's constant hyperbolic promises, but there's no way to deny how amazing this really is, even if it's "late."
I have a 2019 Model 3 with HW2.5. I would like to try FSD but I need the retrofit, which I wish to wait to see if HW4 or even HW5 ever retrofits. How often do you need to interrupt now that you are on 12.5? I tried 12.3.6 (on a rental) and while it did fine on the highway and surburb (albeit I often felt embarrassed and hated how it stayed in people’s blindspots on highway), it was awful in city (espcially packed) driving. I had to turn it off. I wonder how many less interruptions I would do on 12.5
This is more impressive than any prior FSD video on HW4. This hardware is pretty old and limited, so the actual quality (value) of the software shines so much more here. Great video mate!
December 2016 Model S P100D HW3 MCU2 here. Was running FSD 12.3.6 for around 90% of my miles driven with few embarrassing/frustrating scenarios. Not perfect but overall very impressed and pleased. Recieved 12.5.1.5 about 2 weeks ago and for me, it has been enough of a step back that I just went back to using basic autopilot... its behavior has improved in some ways including identifying the correct lane and changing into it sooner, but thats all that I've noticed. The bad includes slowing down nearly to a stop for empty crosswalks, struggling to maintain the correct speed, especially on rural roads, at times even staying within the lane, hesitating at odd times including going through an intersection with a green light, etc. I remain hopeful but I would definitely go back to 12.3.6 if I had the option. Way more hassle letting 12.5.1.5 work than me drive myself
Yeah I test drove a 2024 MS LR a week ago. Drove about 20 miles from the Tesla store and allowed FSD to drive me back. No problems whatsoever. I’m starting to warm up to it a bit now as I really didn’t see a need for it for me but now I wouldn’t mind having it available if it’s this competent.
For context...I'm nearly 70 years old - the time when one's driving skills are not what they once were - and in many jurisdictions, they make keeping your driver's license harder and harder. Keeping my mobility as I age is a CRUCIAL life-changing thing. So for me, FSD is going to be more than just a convenience...it's a total game-changer.
brilliant cant wait to get it in europe, it is such tool of security and will save a lot of lives and will give a rest after work day, hw3 is so important because the fleet is so much bigger than hw4. thanks to share and always amazing videos, what about a test in rush hour in a big city.
Love your videos especially since I live in the Kensington/Berkeley area. There are two places in this area where FSD 12.5.1 gets into major problems consistently (this on my M3 with HW3). Please try these out in your next video. Hopefully folks at Tesla will pay attention. 1. Drive on Ardmore and make a right turn on Arlington. The car consistently turns into a parking area just before reaching Arlington. This inspite of a clearly visible "do not enter" sign marking this to be the exit of the parking area. 2. Drive north on Arlington and make a u-turn ~ 100 yards after entering Kensington (just past the shops). The car enters the u-turn too close to the center line and gets stuck halfway into the turn.
I was very excited to get 12.5 on my '19 M3LR and I gotta say it is certainly better overall, so far. Haven't taken it out much so not fully sure how it handles all the situations I used to dislike. So far, I have noticed a really good and a really bad thing. The really good thing was actually stopping ONCE for a stop sign. Insane. No hesitant creeping out three times before the turn, it just stopped at the sign and took the turn when it was clear. I have a stop sign I regularly need to use that I almost always disengaged on because it just wouldn't take the turn and cross-traffic is a highway so it's just not safe to be overly hesitant. Another plus: I also have a part of my commute that involves a right into a left, two streets down (almost immediately), and 12.3.6 would wrongly take the first street which is a dead end...not 12.5! It finally understands it should follow the route. (It was especially insane because it would route to the second street but turn on the first. WTF?) I'm looking forward to finding out if it still tries routing through a mall parking lot like it would always try on 12.3. The really bad thing was what you're experiencing with slow-downs. The bottom of my hill is a four-way where only the cross-traffic has stop signs but traffic up/down the hill does not. My car stops as if it has a stop sign. Very dangerous if there were other cars around. I also noticed it would slow down or nearly stop for other four-way intersections on back roads with NO SIGNS. Hopefully that gets worked out soon. Really enjoying the hands-free driving as well. I still keep near/on the wheel but it's nice to not be nagged at all.
What i criticize is that they sold HW3 still in 2024 and not even 6 months later it's 'legacy' and 'deprecated' with no upgrade path? I defend Tesla all the time but that is atrocious. IMO they OWE it to those customers to create an AI 4.5 or AI 5 drop in replacement in the HW3 form factor even if it's maybe not totally the same power as native AI4/5. This is NOT a nice to have bonus. Many, many people chose to buy Tesla vehicles because they were promised FULL self driving. Not some step child legacy solution when they still have years of financing running!
Hahahaha he’s the one using “legacy” and they are completely not depreciating it. They had to stop selling it at some point. Are you mad about the 14 prior iPhones?
@@papafamilias92010 `Look, i am a Tesla bull too. I get it. But it's not okay to sell HW3 when they were already developing 12.5 and 12.6 knowing that model wouldn't fit. And i don't even respond to your iphone analogy. That's just mentally sloppy.
Great video highlighting the good, and bad, of 12.5. Left turns and moving confidently around in tight traffic situations is crazy good. On HW4, I still have issues with the excessive slowing down in many situations. I mostly "override" with pedal inputs to get going / keep pace with traffic flow. It needs work with keeping up with traffic on curvy mountain roads (Hwy 17 between SJ and Santa Cruz). It goes through turns like it is looking 5 ft in front of it, causing a big gap in traffic. I wish it "knew how" to take a turn at speed properly... the map shows the turn radius, so between that and looking ahead further it should be able to comfortably do this. But, I suppose that it is learning from the masses, who by and large don't take smooth paths through turns....
I have the same 2018 Model S and have been on FSD since 2021. Ver 12.3.6 was as good as advertised, but ver. 12.5.1.5 has been near-undrivable for me. It's way too cautious, constantly slowing down, and way less smooth than it was before. I know it's temporary, and within a couple of weeks I'm sure it'll all get worked out but I don't get the variance between the cars. I'm in Austin, TX so maybe that has something to do with it but its one of the worst upgrades I've experienced. Would love to figure out why it changes so much car to car, but some of it you had in our video too. On another note, I don't really have OCD but the fact that it's driving over lines annoys the crap out of me. I feel that the perfect drive is a drive where you fit between the lines where you're supposed to be. This version ignores that, like your drive, but I really don't like that. Hopefully they'll balance that out quickly.
Real human drivers don't stick between the lines - and the goal here is to be more human-like, so sticking between the lines was not a great feature. On winding country roads, sticking rigorously to the lane lines (as v11 did) results in nauseating lateral g-forces. Apex-clipping (as it's properly called) is OK - when there's no oncoming traffic ahead of you - it's a good thing. In the UK, I took an "advanced motorist" course and passed the driving test for that (it saves on car insurance - and is kinda fun). They TAUGHT us apex clipping as good driving style. So this is a GOOD thing. Robotically gluing the car to the middle of the lane is NOT good.
I do enjoy your videos! I've been using 12.5 on HW4 and I've experienced several annoying behaviors: the same last minute corrections you experienced when turning left around a centre median, slow downs for no apparent reason (although it often seems to be related to shadows on the road), late lane changes that threaten to cause us to miss turns, and the return of occasional sudden phantom braking. These are annoying, but overall using 12.5 is very smooth and filled with frequent moments of delight as it handles situations I think will bring it to its knees. The addition of the ability to back up will be a phenomenal breakthrough.
As a Gen 2 Model S owner, I have some questions for you: -What year/trim is your Model S? -Did you have HW3 natively or did you get the retrofit? -What software build/FSD version were you on before you got the v12.5 update? Trying to gauge how long until I get v12.5. I'm in a '17 S100D with a retrofitted HW3/MCU and a 2023 software build with FSD v11.4.4.
Thanks! You continue to give us the best evaluation of the progress. Now GIVE IT TO ME, ELON! Dammit! I'm ready to help the bottom line at $99 a month. C'mon, man! Take it from me!
Random slowdowns are also happening with HW4… it’s frustrating specially in highways. I just want FSD to be able to follow through the posted speed limits they’re seeing and sticking with it until it changes. I want FSD to be able to safely drive out of my backyard parking lot, drive out through that narrow gate by folding mirrors and be able to take me to work, the vehicle comes back home and properly and safely parks the same way it drove out and then pick me up from work safely.
I got it yesterday - it shouldn't be long...and NO STEERING WHEEL is absolutely freaking awesome! (But only if your car has the interior camera - not all of the older models do.)
your videos are great because as a european living in the french alps and going to switzerland often, our roads are very little, and i can't respect the line on the ground 90% of the time so if it can place itself better to be more comfortable that's wild! i will 100% buy it in europe if it's reliable, too much traffic and too little roads and too many hairpin turns
9:17 glad you pointed out that it is fine for a biker to use a stop sign like a yield sign. Because most drivers don’t realize that it is legal for bikers to do.
I have a 2017 X75D and i encounter a lot of jerking in the steering wheel when moving under 6mph like in parking lot. Do you get the same thing? Thanks and great video
Got 12.5 on my HW3 model 3 recently, and have been using it for a couple days. Within the first 2 minutes it tried to run a red light. But other than that I have been pretty impressed. I've had maybe 2 instances where it randomly slows down for seemingly no reason. And then I had another situation where it took the wrong angle on an unprotected turn, but then corrected itself. My biggest issue right now is for some reason the nav keeps trying to get it to do u-turns in spots where it's really narrow - and then FSD doesn't turn the wheel hard enough to actually do the maneuver. Not sure what changed there, because it didn't use to plan so many u-turns before.
Very happy to see the issues I was seeing around me forever are finally fixed, too. The turn right off my street it used to accelerate like crazy from stop for some reason every single time, and now it does it properly. It also used to have constant issues with unprotected turns around me where it would act like it was going to roll through...and then it would slam on the brakes at the last second - now that is gone, too.
I just got 2024.26 yesterday, still on 12.3.6, but one thing I noticed driving today I've never noticed before is a lot of little u turn symbols on the turn lane furthest to the left at an intersection. Maybe I just never noticed or a map update or something?
@@TechRambles I did hear one comment saying that it's EMULATING HW4 on HW3 hardware somehow. I have no idea whether that's a factual comment or a guess. If it's true - then I'd expect it to run more slowly...but I see no evidence of that in it's driving.
If you want a challenge, try taking 12.5.1.5 on to a rural road 50 mph highway in the country like I am. It drives horribly. It has trouble accelerating up to speed after exiting a village or decelerating quickly enough when entering a village. Between villages, it oscillates between 45 and 60 mph. It also does not give cyclists or pedestrians a wide enough berth even though it has both sides of the road. And construction zones? Yikes, it races in and races out. I usually end up taking over.
Curvy narrow road with barely any traffic behind you is not the pain points of FSD anymore. Would love to see more test when someone is closely following you in traffic. That’s more realistic day to day driving situation for most people.
A really remarkable achievement, and a privilege to be alive now to see it all happen in real time, even though at a distance via TH-cam. But I wonder, what will the real world impacts be in say ten years time? I predict that with the increased convenience of driving, and with empty cars shuttling around to pick up their next 'fare' whether human or goods, congestion will vastly increase until a new equilibrium of inconvenience is reached. And meanwhile, cities esp in Europe will continue the drive towards a more car free future... Hope I'm still around to see what happens. And will global vehicle sales go up or down?
I'd absolutely upgrade to FSD if there was any visibility of this coming to the UK. I'd love to put it through its paces on our country roads. Alas, I don't think it willl ever reach our shores.
Awesome video thanks ! Yes , We all see the huge difference from a year ago 👍 Questions : But do we have empirical evidence of improvement from 12.1 to 12.5 ? How will Tesla cope with hallucinations on FSD ? And how they gonna improve their NAV ? Can humans remotely take over Robotaxi in the future with the HW4 as we know it today , at moments it gets stuck , would that be possible ?
I’ve been very frustrated with that update. Apparently it doesn’t understand “No turn on red” signs and tries to turn. Slow downs are very frequent and annoying. Another issue that has been persistent is when it takes the right lane, when there is a left turn in less than quarter of a mile in a busy three lane intersection 🤦🏻🤯, or takes a right lane that’s only good for freeway entrance, and then tries to change lane at the last second, creating dangerous conditions. I start to doubt that it would ever be able to go full FSD
I just 12.5. On my HW 3 car and honestly I want 12.3.6 back. Much more phantom braking. It’s almost unusable . The good news is that the unprojected lefts are significantly better. You also don’t have the zig zagging between lanes. Still the phantom braking is a serious issue that I was hoping would not exist with V12. I am not sure if this should go wide
12.5 is pretty bad on my HW3 model 3 in San Diego. MANY safety disengagements and for the FIRST time it hit a curb making a very easy left turn. Sad. Hope they come up with a HW3 -> HW4 retrofit.
It's weird how some people are saying 12.5 on HW3 is really disappointing for them, and others are saying it's the best one yet. They need to give it to me already, so I can test it for myself.
@@shmuelrosenthal6661 Yeah, I've been on FSD Beta since 10.3 in 2021 and this is the first time it's hit something and damage a wheel for a turn that's historically been really easy during a bright day. Very odd.
@@RobbyTicknor Very strange, indeed. This is what concern me the most about AI making critical life and death decisions without human backup. When something goes terribly wrong, there's no way to look inside the black box and understand WHY it went terribly wrong. Jury's out on when/if this gets solved.
@@shmuelrosenthal6661 Yeah. I think they'll solve it, but really starting to worry that HW3 just does not have enough power to run big enough models to do it... especially if they want redundancy. Fingers crossed they can optimize it a LOT more and get working better. Otherwise, hope teals has a retrofit plan b in the works. The current models is trained on HW3 cameras, so we just need a computer upgrade at a minimum.
@@RobbyTicknor I think both are probably true: that there's a LOT more life and performance to squeeze out of HW3, and that true "robotaxi" performance almost certainly won't be possible on HW3. Will a retrofit come eventually? Who knows, but it's not unlikely.
12.5 on my hw3 has numerous problems. Hugging the inside and outside of the lane’s super tight, ran a red light, changed lanes into a lane that was ending, not impressed after a day and a half.
Do you think since h3 build is newer they might have the caution level up and that might be the differences? Once they are comfortable with it h3 and h4 might be almost the same? Thanks
The problem is a technical issue at the heart of how neural-networks operate. HW3 doesn't have enough "parameters" to run HW4's AI. So they had to do some clever finagling to get around that and allow 12.5 to run on older electronics. Training data can be the same for whatever hardware you have - it's how well the smaller-brain AI in HW3 can be trained compared to the bigger brain HW4 - both being given the same training data.
On my 2018 model S with 12.5.1.5 the car hugs the left of the lane, even driving on and over the line when there are cars in the lane directly next to me or around curves. The previous version hugged the right side but would move over to the center when passing another car. It no longer moves over even with other cars in the lane or a car turning left in the center lane. It even acts as if it's going to run the other car off the road super unsafe and very discouraging as I was very excited for this new update and use FSD every drive but now have no idea if and when this will get fixed and I can safely use the software again without putting others in myself at risk.
From reading all of these comments - it seems that maybe Model S and X (being larger cars) aren't getting as much training data as Model 3 and Y (which are considerably smaller). Since there are VASTLY more 3's and Y's collecting training data - I kinda wonder if that's the problem. As good as the Model S did in this video - I feel that my Model 3 is doing much better.
2:45 The FSD slowing down seems to be tied to big shadows or where there are more things to check or verify. FSD's visualisation is not sure what the big shadows are, and is thus slowly down to allow more checking & verification? These are not random slow downs, if you know the reason(s) why these slow downs happened.
I doubt it’s HW3. It’s likely that since its first release (also limited) of 12.5 for HW3, they have some configuration to make it more cautious. We’ve seen this with EVERY new FSD release. I’m pretty sure that as they get more data they’ll relax those and it will be very similar to HW4
2:48 and 3:04 looks like the occupancy network visualized an object and ego slowed down. You provided an example at an intersection in 12.4.3 of odd behavior and the common factor there was that the occupancy network was also visualizing a small object in the path...
After a day of testing 12.5 on a HW Model 3 in CO I've had a really bad time. Roundabouts are jerkier, speed control is bad (way to slow, slower than previous builds), and the random slowdowns happen a lot. I need to try it in harder situations, because easy suburban driving is not going great.
How do you think Tesla will address HW3 vehicles who paid for FSD if it can't ultimately fulfil that? While there doesn't seem to be an upgrade path at the moment, I'm sure that could be changed. Or might they be forced into some sort of refund situation? Tesla has reached out to see if I wanted to update my car, but that really isn't a solution for a lot of people, paying another large sum of money to address what reasonably you would have expected the FSD payment to do. Interested in what others think.
2:50 I mean there's an object rendered on the screen. So the cameras definitely picked up an object laying in the road. Not just FSD but also the V11 model running the visualizations picked something up. So this might actually be not an issue with FSD itself, but maybe the object there detected by the V11 stack had it override the FSD acceleration, to avoid running into that object?
How does your 2018 MS have hw3? I used to have a 2018 ms with hw 2.5and asked service center to upgrade it to hw3. They said it won't fit and the connectors were different.
Just got a 24 model 3 highland and i tried auto pilot. that thing scares me. i tried enabling it on a posted 30 speed limited and it accelerates quick! def more for highway usage.
Do you really mean "auto-pilot" ? We're talking about FSD - which is an entirely different piece of software. Auto-pilot is very limited by comparison.
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forgot to mention 12.5 isn't hands free on the legacy S (no interior camera)
the speed limit is also missing from FSD visualizations. Tesla, pls fix
Ok
really great vid - as always. I would like to see a model trained purely on gameplay of a highskilled carmageddon 1-3 driver tho. yeah, not really - as I am a responsible father - but hey.
AFAIK, there is no official documents (manual, etc) saying that FSD is hands free. This is made up by influancers from what I see.
Ok
Is there any statistic on critical disengagement percentage over the past few years on a graph? I would love to see the rate its improving at
I also have a HW3 Model S (2022) and have been testing the same software release 12.5.1.5. My experience has been very similar to yours with one exception - a very serious intervention that I dont recall EVER seeing before. I was stopped at a red traffic light in the left lane of a 3 lane road waiting to make a left turn. The light remained red in my lane and the right lane light changed from solid red to a green right arrow allowing cars in the right lane to turn right and simultaneously cars coming from the right had a green left arrow to turn onto the street I was stopped on. Our car started to go through the intersection directly through the red light with crossing traffic turning directly in front of us. I never saw anything like this before. BE CAREFUL AT RED LIGHTS!
Literally had this same exact incident happen last night.
Eeek! Thanks for the heads-up. So long as everyone who sees this give a report, it'll probably get fixed pretty quickly.
Software has bugs, people, don’t trust it.
Same thing here, I tend to turn off auto pilot during these situations and the software still beeps to signal the light turned green even though it’s not in my lane.
@@JpsBookOfLife Have you ever seen that before or is that new for version 12.5.1.5?
I live in third world country and I don't even own a car, but I love to watch your videos.
You would be absolutely blown away if you were in the Tesla! I've had a model 3 since 2021.And it still amazes me every time I drive it!
Where are you?
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@@GM-qh2kiwhat do you like the most about it?
Another great video from the best FSD presenter. Thank You.
Dude. Your FSD videos are the best. Bar none. Keep up the good work. Your experienced commentary brings valuable perspective and nuance to the technology (which is mostly missing in from other FSD testers). Keep up the great work!
I agree with you. I have a 2023 My hw3 12.5.1. It is such a pleasure to be in. Our son and his wife came to visit recently. They couldn't tell it was in fsd. Our son, who is very critical of all things electronic, told me he didn't know Tesla was this advanced. Coming from him, that is a gigantic compliment.
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Bob
Freakin' amazing. And the video too(!) - all done in under 15 minutes.
I'm honestly baffled why this channel does not have half a million subscribers.
I'd guess it's just a matter of competition. There are quite a few other people making virtually identical content by sticking a camera in their car and narrating it.
Once FSD appears out of nowhere for normal people many will come back and watch these wondering how they missed it. I have only been watching for a few months and its still shocking me.
I have said it before but your video production quality is outstanding. The best FSD on the internet. Thanks.
Wow wow wow. 😲Europe is waiting... Tesla, please send the update to my 🤖 Model 3 2019 AI3 right now!
+1 🤚🤓
This is 6 year old hardware, people.
The significance of this is extremely underrated by the general public. Gosh I hope someone writes a book on the autopilot journey.
What did Elon promise, tho. He has been promising Full Self Driving for several years. Has promised.
@@Scott-sm9nm Elons timelines are aggressive, we all know that. Move on.
@@joegeezly9613 The point is he promised FSD which sold it more ... that is more than being optimistic ... it is misleading. They faked a video and sold more FSD. He has done it for years and new people coming to Tesla then buy into it and purchase FSD only for years later to not have it. See the issue. -- keep in mind I'm a l-o-n-g time FSD user. I've followed it closely and seen the ramification of him misleading people and taking their money.
The autopilot team has doubted themselves but have had diligence to re-engineer until it works.
They didn't sell us, "maybe it will work someday on your car. give us 15k and find out". they sold us "coming soon (on this vehicle)". they need to make this right. end of story
Love how you still call it HW4 and not AI4. Can't really get used to the AI naming scheme. HW makes a lot more sense to me, due to AI being the FSD Software, and AI does not imply the use of HW e.g. cameras.
Impressive how HW3 performs. Interested to see how it will do in the feature when HW4 is off its emulation mode, with the new Supercomputer.
Where did you hear it called AI4?
HW5 will be officially named AI5, and that's where I would agree it's fine to call it that, since it was never officially called HW5 to begin with. But otherwise I agree.
@@happyjohn1656 Ashok calls it AI4 in his tweets (the director of FSD at Tesla)
i find it really annoying when people misuse the term AI or use it in an awkward way. So often, I hear "AI", when "the AI" or "an AI" would have sounded so much better.
And also HW4 has advantages that have nothing to do with AI. Higher resolution dash cam, for one. AI4 is just AI marketing hype. Whatever. Fine. It's popular right now.
My HW4 Model X makes a lot of adjustments during turns. I find it comforting, as it conveys that the car is aware of the curb and making room for it. It's very human-like. Rather than it being a HW3/HW4 issue, it may simply be reflective of the larger vehicles.
I think so. My Model 3/HW3 doesn't do that. My guess is that they have a LOT more training data for Model 3/Y than for Model S/X just because of the relative numbers.
That clip of the car slowing down drastically for the child on the bicycle gave me goosebumps.
God bless Tesla for prioritizing safety and valuing human life
Yeah - I just got 12.5 on my 2019 Model 3 yesterday - I gave it a work-out in my local area and have yet to have a single intervention! For the first time, it drove up my long driveway instead of telling me "Navigation Complete" before getting there. It also slowed down to an appropriate 28 mph in a 25 mph hospital zone for the first time - nice! One particular junction where it got into the wrong lane 100% of the time is also fixed. I had been very worried that 12.3 was going to be the end of the road for version 3 hardware - especially after Musk said that it would be very difficult to implement 12.4. Still, it would have been sweet to get a free hardware upgrade. But I feel that *FINALLY* the promise of having a car that drives itself has actually been achieved - and my $6000 was well-spent. FSD doesn't drive like me - it feels more like riding with a stranger doing the driving...not bad, just different. Losing the steering-wheel wiggle is **HUGE**.
Thank you so much for your video. I had a smile on my face all the way through. What an amazing car that 2018 Model S you have is...
I just got 12.5 for my MY today. HW3. I took a route that I usually take. Wow. There were 3 areas where the car wasn't good before. 1st, Stop sign is about 8 feet before the stop line. Car would stop at stop sign, then pull ahead to the stop line and stop again. It would very slowly pull out into the intersection. Now, it stops at the stop sign and cautiously pulls into the intersection and goes. 2nd, a couple blocks later it would slow to half it's speed, then return to regular speed. Now it maintains speed. 3rd, further down the road, this is a 3 lane road. 1 lane each direction and the center lane for left turns only. They have flop over barricades spaced out to prevent passing. The car would get over too soon to turn left and almost hit the barricade. I would disengage each time. This time, it waited to get in the left turn lane until after the barricade.
It would do each of these things every time.
Needless to say, I was impressed.
Thumbs up for 12.5
Thanks
Bob
Yeah - one place near me - a narrow two-lane road turns into a four lane at a junction with stop-lights - and there are FIVE lanes - adding a left-turn lane that right in the middle of the road. Turning left there, 12.3 would get all nervous, indecisive and 'wiggly' and then pick one of the straight through lanes and then panic as it realized it could no longer turn left. It did this 100% of the time - and drove me nuts! Finally, in 12.5 it does it correctly and confidently - HOORAY!!
It's kind of amazing that a car you've owned for so many years is suddenly able to drive itself around like this. I know we all like to complain about HW3 and Elon's constant hyperbolic promises, but there's no way to deny how amazing this really is, even if it's "late."
Coming from 12.3.6 i'm loving 12.5.1.5, spectacular difference. Running HW3 21 MSP
I have a 2019 Model 3 with HW2.5. I would like to try FSD but I need the retrofit, which I wish to wait to see if HW4 or even HW5 ever retrofits.
How often do you need to interrupt now that you are on 12.5? I tried 12.3.6 (on a rental) and while it did fine on the highway and surburb (albeit I often felt embarrassed and hated how it stayed in people’s blindspots on highway), it was awful in city (espcially packed) driving. I had to turn it off. I wonder how many less interruptions I would do on 12.5
This is more impressive than any prior FSD video on HW4. This hardware is pretty old and limited, so the actual quality (value) of the software shines so much more here. Great video mate!
December 2016 Model S P100D HW3 MCU2 here. Was running FSD 12.3.6 for around 90% of my miles driven with few embarrassing/frustrating scenarios. Not perfect but overall very impressed and pleased. Recieved 12.5.1.5 about 2 weeks ago and for me, it has been enough of a step back that I just went back to using basic autopilot... its behavior has improved in some ways including identifying the correct lane and changing into it sooner, but thats all that I've noticed. The bad includes slowing down nearly to a stop for empty crosswalks, struggling to maintain the correct speed, especially on rural roads, at times even staying within the lane, hesitating at odd times including going through an intersection with a green light, etc. I remain hopeful but I would definitely go back to 12.3.6 if I had the option. Way more hassle letting 12.5.1.5 work than me drive myself
Yeah I test drove a 2024 MS LR a week ago. Drove about 20 miles from the Tesla store and allowed FSD to drive me back. No problems whatsoever. I’m starting to warm up to it a bit now as I really didn’t see a need for it for me but now I wouldn’t mind having it available if it’s this competent.
For context...I'm nearly 70 years old - the time when one's driving skills are not what they once were - and in many jurisdictions, they make keeping your driver's license harder and harder. Keeping my mobility as I age is a CRUCIAL life-changing thing. So for me, FSD is going to be more than just a convenience...it's a total game-changer.
brilliant cant wait to get it in europe, it is such tool of security and will save a lot of lives and will give a rest after work day, hw3 is so important because the fleet is so much bigger than hw4. thanks to share and always amazing videos, what about a test in rush hour in a big city.
Love your videos especially since I live in the Kensington/Berkeley area.
There are two places in this area where FSD 12.5.1 gets into major problems consistently (this on my M3 with HW3). Please try these out in your next video. Hopefully folks at Tesla will pay attention.
1. Drive on Ardmore and make a right turn on Arlington.
The car consistently turns into a parking area just before reaching Arlington. This inspite of a clearly visible "do not enter" sign marking this to be the exit of the parking area.
2. Drive north on Arlington and make a u-turn ~ 100 yards after entering Kensington (just past the shops).
The car enters the u-turn too close to the center line and gets stuck halfway into the turn.
Makes me excited for the future, how HW4 will look like in 1-2 years
I was very excited to get 12.5 on my '19 M3LR and I gotta say it is certainly better overall, so far. Haven't taken it out much so not fully sure how it handles all the situations I used to dislike. So far, I have noticed a really good and a really bad thing.
The really good thing was actually stopping ONCE for a stop sign. Insane. No hesitant creeping out three times before the turn, it just stopped at the sign and took the turn when it was clear. I have a stop sign I regularly need to use that I almost always disengaged on because it just wouldn't take the turn and cross-traffic is a highway so it's just not safe to be overly hesitant.
Another plus: I also have a part of my commute that involves a right into a left, two streets down (almost immediately), and 12.3.6 would wrongly take the first street which is a dead end...not 12.5! It finally understands it should follow the route. (It was especially insane because it would route to the second street but turn on the first. WTF?) I'm looking forward to finding out if it still tries routing through a mall parking lot like it would always try on 12.3.
The really bad thing was what you're experiencing with slow-downs. The bottom of my hill is a four-way where only the cross-traffic has stop signs but traffic up/down the hill does not. My car stops as if it has a stop sign. Very dangerous if there were other cars around. I also noticed it would slow down or nearly stop for other four-way intersections on back roads with NO SIGNS. Hopefully that gets worked out soon.
Really enjoying the hands-free driving as well. I still keep near/on the wheel but it's nice to not be nagged at all.
Thanks. I now feel a bit more confident that HW 3 won’t be left behind.
What i criticize is that they sold HW3 still in 2024 and not even 6 months later it's 'legacy' and 'deprecated' with no upgrade path? I defend Tesla all the time but that is atrocious. IMO they OWE it to those customers to create an AI 4.5 or AI 5 drop in replacement in the HW3 form factor even if it's maybe not totally the same power as native AI4/5. This is NOT a nice to have bonus. Many, many people chose to buy Tesla vehicles because they were promised FULL self driving. Not some step child legacy solution when they still have years of financing running!
Legacy simply means it isn't the newest hardware. Even if they produced a HW3 car yesterday, it would, by definition, be a legacy vehicle.
Hahahaha he’s the one using “legacy” and they are completely not depreciating it. They had to stop selling it at some point. Are you mad about the 14 prior iPhones?
@@papafamilias92010 `Look, i am a Tesla bull too. I get it. But it's not okay to sell HW3 when they were already developing 12.5 and 12.6 knowing that model wouldn't fit. And i don't even respond to your iphone analogy. That's just mentally sloppy.
The entitlement is strong with this one... Whenever you buy anything there s chance it'll immediately be replaced with something better that's life
What were you expecting from duplicitous Musk?
I don't know what you're doing there but I love how the fast forward looks like
Pretty insane drive by Hardwarestappen!
Great video highlighting the good, and bad, of 12.5. Left turns and moving confidently around in tight traffic situations is crazy good.
On HW4, I still have issues with the excessive slowing down in many situations. I mostly "override" with pedal inputs to get going / keep pace with traffic flow.
It needs work with keeping up with traffic on curvy mountain roads (Hwy 17 between SJ and Santa Cruz). It goes through turns like it is looking 5 ft in front of it, causing a big gap in traffic. I wish it "knew how" to take a turn at speed properly... the map shows the turn radius, so between that and looking ahead further it should be able to comfortably do this. But, I suppose that it is learning from the masses, who by and large don't take smooth paths through turns....
Great stuff, thanx for the reassurance on HW3.
Brilliant
9:08 Wish FSD drove this well for my videos 😢😂 Awesome video!!!
Dan O'Dowd goes into conniptions at 9:47.
What a view at 6:00!
Imagine living on that street
Thanks for your frank experience feedback with 12.5 on HW 3 MS. I am still waiting for OTA and am beyond tired of waiting for upgrade!
I have the same 2018 Model S and have been on FSD since 2021. Ver 12.3.6 was as good as advertised, but ver. 12.5.1.5 has been near-undrivable for me. It's way too cautious, constantly slowing down, and way less smooth than it was before. I know it's temporary, and within a couple of weeks I'm sure it'll all get worked out but I don't get the variance between the cars. I'm in Austin, TX so maybe that has something to do with it but its one of the worst upgrades I've experienced. Would love to figure out why it changes so much car to car, but some of it you had in our video too.
On another note, I don't really have OCD but the fact that it's driving over lines annoys the crap out of me. I feel that the perfect drive is a drive where you fit between the lines where you're supposed to be. This version ignores that, like your drive, but I really don't like that. Hopefully they'll balance that out quickly.
Real human drivers don't stick between the lines - and the goal here is to be more human-like, so sticking between the lines was not a great feature. On winding country roads, sticking rigorously to the lane lines (as v11 did) results in nauseating lateral g-forces. Apex-clipping (as it's properly called) is OK - when there's no oncoming traffic ahead of you - it's a good thing. In the UK, I took an "advanced motorist" course and passed the driving test for that (it saves on car insurance - and is kinda fun). They TAUGHT us apex clipping as good driving style. So this is a GOOD thing. Robotically gluing the car to the middle of the lane is NOT good.
I'm in DFW and similar experience to yours on 20MSLR+. Very regressive upgrade. Hopefully it will iterate quickly.
very good video covering many scenarios
2:52 Powerline pole shadow looking like a speedbump to the car?
I do enjoy your videos! I've been using 12.5 on HW4 and I've experienced several annoying behaviors: the same last minute corrections you experienced when turning left around a centre median, slow downs for no apparent reason (although it often seems to be related to shadows on the road), late lane changes that threaten to cause us to miss turns, and the return of occasional sudden phantom braking. These are annoying, but overall using 12.5 is very smooth and filled with frequent moments of delight as it handles situations I think will bring it to its knees. The addition of the ability to back up will be a phenomenal breakthrough.
I have a Model X with HW3 (and FSD) in the UK and I can't wait!!!
5:25 I don’t know what’s more surprising… incredible AI self driving or seeing an actual bz4x.
It even has the wheels attached!
Great job. Fantastic commentary.
Love your videos even if they are rolled out soooo infrequently!
Is there any difference between your MS and my refreshed 2021 MS?
@aidriver Thanks for the video. How good is it at driving through roundabouts in Berkeley?
12:52 might be worth buying rim case just to be safe
23S owner here. The majority of my disengagements are to avoid curbing the wheels!
As a Gen 2 Model S owner, I have some questions for you:
-What year/trim is your Model S?
-Did you have HW3 natively or did you get the retrofit?
-What software build/FSD version were you on before you got the v12.5 update?
Trying to gauge how long until I get v12.5. I'm in a '17 S100D with a retrofitted HW3/MCU and a 2023 software build with FSD v11.4.4.
Thanks! You continue to give us the best evaluation of the progress. Now GIVE IT TO ME, ELON! Dammit! I'm ready to help the bottom line at $99 a month. C'mon, man! Take it from me!
I’ve heard a free trial will is included with 12.5, hope you get it soon!
and thank you 🙏
Random slowdowns are also happening with HW4… it’s frustrating specially in highways. I just want FSD to be able to follow through the posted speed limits they’re seeing and sticking with it until it changes. I want FSD to be able to safely drive out of my backyard parking lot, drive out through that narrow gate by folding mirrors and be able to take me to work, the vehicle comes back home and properly and safely parks the same way it drove out and then pick me up from work safely.
I JUST want... LOL 😂
Hope this goes wide by this weekend. I have a trip next weekend that I would LOVE to have no steering wheel nag for.
I got it yesterday - it shouldn't be long...and NO STEERING WHEEL is absolutely freaking awesome! (But only if your car has the interior camera - not all of the older models do.)
I’m a Fiat Palio owner and my car doesn’t even has bluetooth 😂, but I like to see how Tesla selfing driving is improving trough your videos
A little concerned about the turn signal behavior at 5:00. People might think it's signaling to exit the roundabout, but it keeps going
In my state, Minnesota, the traffic laws don’t require any signaling in roundabouts. Are other states different?
Seems like 2 lane roundabout to me
Best comparison of HW3 and HW4 on FSD 12.5 yet..
your videos are great because as a european living in the french alps and going to switzerland often, our roads are very little, and i can't respect the line on the ground 90% of the time so if it can place itself better to be more comfortable that's wild! i will 100% buy it in europe if it's reliable, too much traffic and too little roads and too many hairpin turns
Let’s freaking go, dude!!!
Thanks for the video! What about freeway performance? I just want my model x to drive itself on freeway.
9:17 glad you pointed out that it is fine for a biker to use a stop sign like a yield sign. Because most drivers don’t realize that it is legal for bikers to do.
I have to say it's starting to look really nice. So far I am impressed for hardware 3.
Maybe hardware 4, or 5 might finally have a breakthrough.
You made a left turn into that row - that's why the signal was on, at least that what it looked like.
I have a 2017 X75D and i encounter a lot of jerking in the steering wheel when moving under 6mph like in parking lot. Do you get the same thing? Thanks and great video
Got 12.5 on my HW3 model 3 recently, and have been using it for a couple days. Within the first 2 minutes it tried to run a red light. But other than that I have been pretty impressed. I've had maybe 2 instances where it randomly slows down for seemingly no reason. And then I had another situation where it took the wrong angle on an unprotected turn, but then corrected itself. My biggest issue right now is for some reason the nav keeps trying to get it to do u-turns in spots where it's really narrow - and then FSD doesn't turn the wheel hard enough to actually do the maneuver. Not sure what changed there, because it didn't use to plan so many u-turns before.
Does anyone know the optimizations that were made to make it run on HW3? Is it a quantized model, distilled model, etc?
Very happy to see the issues I was seeing around me forever are finally fixed, too. The turn right off my street it used to accelerate like crazy from stop for some reason every single time, and now it does it properly. It also used to have constant issues with unprotected turns around me where it would act like it was going to roll through...and then it would slam on the brakes at the last second - now that is gone, too.
I just got 2024.26 yesterday, still on 12.3.6, but one thing I noticed driving today I've never noticed before is a lot of little u turn symbols on the turn lane furthest to the left at an intersection. Maybe I just never noticed or a map update or something?
@@TechRambles I did hear one comment saying that it's EMULATING HW4 on HW3 hardware somehow. I have no idea whether that's a factual comment or a guess. If it's true - then I'd expect it to run more slowly...but I see no evidence of that in it's driving.
Large INCREASE in random slowdowns? They already occur CONSTANTLY on 12.1-12.4. GDIT I was really hoping 12.5 would fix this.
If you want a challenge, try taking 12.5.1.5 on to a rural road 50 mph highway in the country like I am. It drives horribly. It has trouble accelerating up to speed after exiting a village or decelerating quickly enough when entering a village. Between villages, it oscillates between 45 and 60 mph. It also does not give cyclists or pedestrians a wide enough berth even though it has both sides of the road. And construction zones? Yikes, it races in and races out. I usually end up taking over.
Curvy narrow road with barely any traffic behind you is not the pain points of FSD anymore. Would love to see more test when someone is closely following you in traffic. That’s more realistic day to day driving situation for most people.
A really remarkable achievement, and a privilege to be alive now to see it all happen in real time, even though at a distance via TH-cam.
But I wonder, what will the real world impacts be in say ten years time? I predict that with the increased convenience of driving, and with empty cars shuttling around to pick up their next 'fare' whether human or goods, congestion will vastly increase until a new equilibrium of inconvenience is reached.
And meanwhile, cities esp in Europe will continue the drive towards a more car free future...
Hope I'm still around to see what happens. And will global vehicle sales go up or down?
Three disengagement on 6 year old hardware, and only one critical. That is pretty insane…
This is so good….but if we are already seeing divergence makes me wonder if I should wait until HW5 for my next car.
I'd absolutely upgrade to FSD if there was any visibility of this coming to the UK. I'd love to put it through its paces on our country roads. Alas, I don't think it willl ever reach our shores.
Awesome video thanks !
Yes , We all see the huge difference from a year ago 👍
Questions :
But do we have empirical evidence of improvement from 12.1 to 12.5 ?
How will Tesla cope with hallucinations on FSD ?
And how they gonna improve their NAV ?
Can humans remotely take over Robotaxi in the future with the HW4 as we know it today , at moments it gets stuck , would that be possible ?
In your opinion, how much further can they go on HW3, and how much longer do you think they commit to improving FSD for HW3?
Nobody knows this, not even Tesla.
I’ve been very frustrated with that update. Apparently it doesn’t understand “No turn on red” signs and tries to turn. Slow downs are very frequent and annoying. Another issue that has been persistent is when it takes the right lane, when there is a left turn in less than quarter of a mile in a busy three lane intersection 🤦🏻🤯, or takes a right lane that’s only good for freeway entrance, and then tries to change lane at the last second, creating dangerous conditions. I start to doubt that it would ever be able to go full FSD
Please do comparison of HW3 and HW4 in cloudy/stormy weather
I just started my channel similar to this , but all in Spanish , wish me luck ❤️😁
Cual es el nombre de tu canal?
I just 12.5. On my HW 3 car and honestly I want 12.3.6 back. Much more phantom braking. It’s almost unusable . The good news is that the unprojected lefts are significantly better. You also don’t have the zig zagging between lanes. Still the phantom braking is a serious issue that I was hoping would not exist with V12. I am not sure if this should go wide
12.5 is pretty bad on my HW3 model 3 in San Diego. MANY safety disengagements and for the FIRST time it hit a curb making a very easy left turn. Sad. Hope they come up with a HW3 -> HW4 retrofit.
It's weird how some people are saying 12.5 on HW3 is really disappointing for them, and others are saying it's the best one yet. They need to give it to me already, so I can test it for myself.
@@shmuelrosenthal6661 Yeah, I've been on FSD Beta since 10.3 in 2021 and this is the first time it's hit something and damage a wheel for a turn that's historically been really easy during a bright day. Very odd.
@@RobbyTicknor Very strange, indeed. This is what concern me the most about AI making critical life and death decisions without human backup. When something goes terribly wrong, there's no way to look inside the black box and understand WHY it went terribly wrong. Jury's out on when/if this gets solved.
@@shmuelrosenthal6661 Yeah. I think they'll solve it, but really starting to worry that HW3 just does not have enough power to run big enough models to do it... especially if they want redundancy. Fingers crossed they can optimize it a LOT more and get working better. Otherwise, hope teals has a retrofit plan b in the works. The current models is trained on HW3 cameras, so we just need a computer upgrade at a minimum.
@@RobbyTicknor I think both are probably true: that there's a LOT more life and performance to squeeze out of HW3, and that true "robotaxi" performance almost certainly won't be possible on HW3. Will a retrofit come eventually? Who knows, but it's not unlikely.
What happens if you bought FSD for your HW3 vehicle and later on FSD becomes a HW4 only feature? Would Tesla have to give you a free HW4 upgrade?
Another great video! Thanks. 👍
12.5 on my hw3 has numerous problems. Hugging the inside and outside of the lane’s super tight, ran a red light, changed lanes into a lane that was ending, not impressed after a day and a half.
Do you think since h3 build is newer they might have the caution level up and that might be the differences? Once they are comfortable with it h3 and h4 might be almost the same? Thanks
I thought HW3 would have an advantage because most of the training data is HW3?
The problem is a technical issue at the heart of how neural-networks operate. HW3 doesn't have enough "parameters" to run HW4's AI. So they had to do some clever finagling to get around that and allow 12.5 to run on older electronics. Training data can be the same for whatever hardware you have - it's how well the smaller-brain AI in HW3 can be trained compared to the bigger brain HW4 - both being given the same training data.
On my 2018 model S with 12.5.1.5 the car hugs the left of the lane, even driving on and over the line when there are cars in the lane directly next to me or around curves. The previous version hugged the right side but would move over to the center when passing another car. It no longer moves over even with other cars in the lane or a car turning left in the center lane. It even acts as if it's going to run the other car off the road super unsafe and very discouraging as I was very excited for this new update and use FSD every drive but now have no idea if and when this will get fixed and I can safely use the software again without putting others in myself at risk.
From reading all of these comments - it seems that maybe Model S and X (being larger cars) aren't getting as much training data as Model 3 and Y (which are considerably smaller). Since there are VASTLY more 3's and Y's collecting training data - I kinda wonder if that's the problem. As good as the Model S did in this video - I feel that my Model 3 is doing much better.
2:45 The FSD slowing down seems to be tied to big shadows or where there are more things to check or verify. FSD's visualisation is not sure what the big shadows are, and is thus slowly down to allow more checking & verification? These are not random slow downs, if you know the reason(s) why these slow downs happened.
Now the next question is, how does HW3 do without the USS? Or are they not used anyways?
I doubt it’s HW3. It’s likely that since its first release (also limited) of 12.5 for HW3, they have some configuration to make it more cautious. We’ve seen this with EVERY new FSD release. I’m pretty sure that as they get more data they’ll relax those and it will be very similar to HW4
When the Dojo super-cluster will be avaible for FSD training ??
need to see more testing in bad weather and at night. Also need some real world testing of children running into the road and objects in the path.
2:48 and 3:04 looks like the occupancy network visualized an object and ego slowed down. You provided an example at an intersection in 12.4.3 of odd behavior and the common factor there was that the occupancy network was also visualizing a small object in the path...
This channel is a lot more balanced than Whole mars catalog?
Can we please send AIDRIVR to China to try the best they can offer too?
Have you noticed if FSD wear out brakes faster than Models with (full stop) Regen braking?
After a day of testing 12.5 on a HW Model 3 in CO I've had a really bad time. Roundabouts are jerkier, speed control is bad (way to slow, slower than previous builds), and the random slowdowns happen a lot. I need to try it in harder situations, because easy suburban driving is not going great.
Is hardware 3 FSD now hands-free with driver monitoring? Thanks!
How do you think Tesla will address HW3 vehicles who paid for FSD if it can't ultimately fulfil that? While there doesn't seem to be an upgrade path at the moment, I'm sure that could be changed. Or might they be forced into some sort of refund situation?
Tesla has reached out to see if I wanted to update my car, but that really isn't a solution for a lot of people, paying another large sum of money to address what reasonably you would have expected the FSD payment to do.
Interested in what others think.
2:50 I mean there's an object rendered on the screen. So the cameras definitely picked up an object laying in the road. Not just FSD but also the V11 model running the visualizations picked something up.
So this might actually be not an issue with FSD itself, but maybe the object there detected by the V11 stack had it override the FSD acceleration, to avoid running into that object?
How does your 2018 MS have hw3? I used to have a 2018 ms with hw 2.5and asked service center to upgrade it to hw3. They said it won't fit and the connectors were different.
I have essentially the same MS. Still waiting. Gimme, gimme.
I would love to see you perform a blind test with a HW3 and a HW4 Model Y for example (without knowing which one is which)
Just got a 24 model 3 highland and i tried auto pilot. that thing scares me. i tried enabling it on a posted 30 speed limited and it accelerates quick! def more for highway usage.
Do you really mean "auto-pilot" ? We're talking about FSD - which is an entirely different piece of software. Auto-pilot is very limited by comparison.
@@SteveBakerIsHere yeah I mean auto pilot. It was my first time using the software and wanted to share my first handed thoughts on it
Great video, thank you!
Need an upgrade path to 4.5 or 5 for hw3. And should be have update for hw3 for at least 5 more years.