Ronnie O’Sullivan Foul Controversy Slow Motion Snooker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Snooker Ronnie O’Sullivan Foul Controversy Criticism Referee Reaction Vs Slow Motion Snooker Foul. Controversial Snooker Moments As Ronnie O’Sullivan Angry On Referee. Break
From Life asks was it a foul and are the rules of the game broken. This also explains kicks and how you get maximum reaction out of the CueBall. All Using Slow Motion to help explain. As Well As, how to pot balls down cushions.
00:00 Intro
0:46 Ronnie O’Sullivan
4:15 Kicks
6:02 More Spin
8:24 Cushion Compression
8:46 Down The Cushion
9:49 Cue Flex
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240 frames per second must be some kind of snooker record!
I’m lucky if I get though 3 an hour these days
Would be good if you could get the Slow Mo Guys to film it in super slow mo.
@@TheStevenWhiting Or just get Peter Ebdon to do it as quickly as he can.
So you're telling me the referee can slow down time to half the real time
Yes ,the top refs can .
And Santa
I played for decades, and i would never have called that shot a push.
plus he is going away from theball'
Me too. I would not have called it. But technically it is.
But it is!
Dr Dave has some fantastic relatable videos explaining what happens in rail induced spin vs potting to the outside jaw. can help understand the shot a bit better.
Dr Dave is great ... And I'm a 9 ball player so brilliant for me
I was just typing this. Dr. Dave is a great resource.
For sure. These shots are well known in pool, because the different cushions and pocket facings make a "down the rail shot" quite easy. The short answer is that contact induced spin will push the ball into the rail, so a shot with inside spin must be hit rail first; a shot with outside spin counter-acts the spin and you can hit the ball first.
A Break from life Slow Mo Guys collaboration is needed!
I was really hoping you would make a video addressing this now-(in)famous call by the ref. Well done as always. The slow motion camera, now so readily available, is a wonderful thing for illustrating what actually happens. It's all well and good to talk about theory, but I'll take indisputable, objective methods of analysis any day over people putting out their best guess on internet polls. Sorry for the paragraph comment. Cheers from Saskatoon, Canada!
Nice to see your channel getting the views and subscriptions it deserves. Always a cracking watch.
Thanks you taking to time to make your videos.
This is the exact kind of knowledge I love to see in the community. I dont have the time or equipment to do this kind of research but this information is what makes the cuesports interesting for me. There is a lot to learn in billiard type games, but events we cant observe with the naked eye will always interest me, I love learning about concepts I can only understand through practice and I am glad you made this video.
-Andre in Fort Collins, Colorado.
There's some good slowmo captures about, I think Dr dave billiards has a few on his site. Or reply and I'll get a link within a day
This is why some sports such as Cricket and Football use slow-motion technology to detect fouls and all sorts of things can couldn't be noticed with regular perspective.
In those sports the players deliberately cheat unfortunately
Loving the vids during yet another national lockdown here in Canberra, Australia.
Maybe its time for a colab video with the slomo guys.
Or… Smarter Every Day. Destin has a phantom too and there are several mechanisms here that just beg to be over analyzed!
Amazing video man. Love this channel. Great knowledge
Thanks a lot sir! i now understand the physics of bouncing balls, You are the best and always help us improve in this game.
Amazing video! I love the explanations with the high speed camera. Greetings from Bremen, Germany!
Hi, from Crossville, TN u.s.a. Video was recommended, and watched all the way through. Amazing explanation and camera work. Subscribed for more!
I ignored the pink 🤫
love your channel please keep going .
Best snooker channel. Great contents. Keep up!
Great video. Love the slo mo stuff, never really seen anything like it
Hi.
About the last point, the cushion sligthly before the object ball.
That comes from certain pool tables which have internal mechanisms for returning the cue ball that rely on the cue ball to have a slightly larger diameter (the tables with coin machines which keep the object balls in). Therefore you have to push the extra diameter into the cushion to get the correct angle on the hit.
Greetings From Nairobi Kenya
You make amazing videos
Absolutely brilliant video, loved it, keep it up
Absolutely fascinating. Great video.
Thank you for your hard work on the videos
Great video! Keep it up! Brandon from Santa Ana, California
Hey man love your videos, Jack from Alicante Spain.
Great video! So much knowledge in there!
Love your investigation, instruction and more about snooker, a big love from HaNoi, VietNam.
Hey great video mate watching from Auckland New Zealand
Outstanding video/content/analysis, as usual.
About the shots along the rail. I believe it's because when you hit the cushion first it imparts a little side on the object ball which helps it hug the cushion. If they contact at the same time the object ball will already be moving away before the cue ball and cushion can impart any side on the object ball.
Thanks for the video. Brad from Winnipeg Canada.
very educational explanation and i like that practical shot you perform as demonstration. greetings from Ingelheim, Germany :)
Great video. Educational. Keep up the good work bro. ......Nagpur, India.
Hey I’m Peaches, from Tempe, Arizona, United States
Yeah, i can't believe snooker tables aren't all over the US. I love the game but rarely get to play it. On the other hand, have you checked out the chinese 8 ball specs? They play on 9 foot tables (Joy Billiards) with 85mm or 3.35" snooker like pockets, but with the US sized balls, 2.25". That would be interesting to see all across the US too.
I used to play pool in America n would tell them all about snooker. They loved the sound of it but told me it would never take off in America because its too much walking/exercise 😂
Great breakdown! My pool game will improve greatly! Red Wing, Minnesota, USA
Nice work! I think you would be able to get better slow-mo shots even without a super expensive camera by setting up some really bright lights. That alone won't increase the frame rate, but each frame will be sharper due to shorter possible exposure.
Great Vid! Greetings from Kiel - Germany!
Yes, we can ignore the fact that you clipped the pink, but not the word “imliminate” (5:45mins) 😂😂👍 Great vid though, it’s really helpful seeing spin and screw shots slowed down.
You Must've been good at physics mate, my head was spinning like the cue ball. Good info tho, keep it up, amazing what you miss when its slowed down .... from Glasgow, Scotland.
Great videos just found out about ur channel. Bobaker from Agadir Morocco
Hi , watching your videos from Meknes-Morocco ❤️
Just proves the harder you hit the shot the more chance of bouncing balls and misses ,probably why the ultra thin cloths in tournaments produce so many high breaks these days , maximum reaction with minimum effort .At least the Taom chalk has nearly eliminated kicks on the tc balls we are stuck with these days .Mr Life ,when your table is ready for a new cloth ,check out Strachen Superfine ,its supposed to be ultra fast and grippy,only heard good things about it ,think I'm having it on next year .The no 10 that you can get is not I don't think the same product as what is seen on tv ,that stuff only lasts a few weeks ,the Superfine produces near on tournament conditions apparently and is reasonably hard wearing on a private table .Nice video mate .
great stuff! thanks very much! may I ask you which height your cue is ideal in proportion to ones body (arms etc.) greetings Cem from Deventer, The Netherlands
The rule is not open to interpretation, the only problem is that it is not often enforced by referees.
If player is attempting a pot, he is clearly not hitting the object ball as thin as possible, so the "very fine edge" does not apply.
In order for a simultaneous contact to be a legal shot, very little of the cuebulls momentum will be transferred to the object ball.
Great content
*AWESOME VIDEO ❤️ HARDIK FROM JAIPUR, RAJASTHAN*
Along the cushion technique was very interesting...
This vid is so good!
Excellent analysis, the sound of contact usually let's you know if it's a push shot.
good point
Well done!
I remember calling a push-shot on a team-mate; who deliberately played a shot hard, so it was difficult to tell. He was furious! 😂 Cue-ball path is often the giveaway.
Eh, if you're not good enough to be professional, it's worth winning despite the odd rule break on your opponent's behalf. If you can't beat them by that much, what's it worth hey?
Absolutely 0 people care.
@@wildcard2884 7 people gave it a thumbs up...
I've been wondering about the cue vibrations as well.
Can you do a video on mark Allen’s cue action? It’s quite stabby but always tends to cue correctly. From Preston United kingdom
👍 Merci pour la vidéo 😉
PS. Your videos are brilliant. Kevin, Mandurah, Western Australia.
I looked into how power or speed effects the rebound angle coming off a cushion, how far in the ball compresses the cushion effectively straightening up the angle
good on you !
Amazing man, awesome.
Nice video, i mfrom alenquer,portugal
“are you having a laugh?“ means “are you kidding”? 🤣
Nice video. Plovdiv Bulgaria.
The cue ball seems to have come off the object ball at or even behind the 90-degree line. That would indicate there was no second contact. There was no evidence from the ball paths that there was a foul, so in my opinion the referee should not have called a foul.
It helps in such situations to know that the tip and cue ball travel together for about three times the amount that the tip and cue are compressed during contact. That's not very far -- not even a centimeter. To see this, it is useful to have (or borrow) a camera that can do at least 1000 frames per second. Also, you need to be focus well on the tip.
Very nice content commenting from Kathmandu nepal
Cushion first, or with a side spin, so that the object ball starts to roll inside the slot between the table and the cushion.
Even when it's a touching ball and you play away the tip,object ball and cue ball are touching at the same time!!
Touching ball is a special case, which is why you have to play away from the object ball, because you are, by definition, doing a push shot. Playing away from the object ball is the proof that the push shot is not affecting anything, so it's allowed.
Surely you’re right about hitting the cushion first. As the cue ball leaves the cushion it will hit and add some spin to the object ball keeping it tight to the cushion. If you were to hit both at the same time you’d add spin to the object ball taking away from the cushion ending in a miss? Might only be the slighted but if spin but may have a massive effect! Just a thought, be good to see it looked at more.
Great video. I have a signed cue from the world final of 2008 when Ronnie won. It's signed by all the world champions ( I won it in a raffle at the crucible theatre). I wonder if I should auction it online as I don't play anymore
Keep it, its history.
Sell it, it’s history
There's this persistent myth in snooker, which is repeated by some very good players, that you get better spin by deliberately changing your stroke to somehow get longer tip contact time.
This has no foundation in science. The ball leaves your tip in 1 to 3 milliseconds. You didn't get your tip to stay on for three frames out of a 240 FPS recording. The motion blur and resolution are not sufficient for you to see the tip actually contacting the ball during those frames.
You can't deliberately increase contact time on a firmly struck shot. There's no magic wrist snap or smooth follow-through that will do it. The closest you can come to deliberately prolonging tip contact time is the stroke so slowly that the tip gently nudges the ball repeatedly.
If you strike the ball hard enough to move it at 20 kph, then it doesn't matter what you did mechanically prior to that moment of impact. 20 kph is 20 kph. There is no scenario where the ball flies away at 20 kph but somehow the tip hugged it for triple the normal time.
Even if you deliberately prolong contact, the spin you get on the ball is a result of force being applied to whatever area was struck. Spreading the same force out over a longer contact time doesn't increase it.
I know that intuitively, it would seem to make sense that the tip must grab the ball, and if it grabbed harder it would somehow impart more spin. But there's diminishing returns. If the tip hits the ball without sliding across the surface, then it's imparting as much spin as it can because none of the spin was lost from 'slippage'. Increasing friction beyond that will not increase spin.
If increased contact time = more grip = better action, then by now we would have developed a special draw chalk that gets you two extra feet of draw by simply being stickier than average chalk.
Ronnie shot away from that ball, and regardless how close to the edge he was, this tip never made contact with the ball a second time. Nor was it hugging the cue ball at the moment of impact, that's ridiculous, he struck firmly and the cue ball left the tip immediately. Then the cue ball went directly down the tangent line before the topspin visibly took over. The ref blew this one.
Can you compare how different players use the chalk during their matches?
Still waiting to see Kraków on your map ;)
All of them apply the chalk to the skinny end of the cue
@@mikebest634 lol 😂
i personally agree about hitting the cushion first then the ball from my experience
Great Video, i always learn with you. Waleed from Mirpurkhas, Pakistan
Very good.
I'm not a pro player or anything remotely close, in fact, i haven't been close to a table in 20 years but when playing balls on the cushion i always hit cushion first.
It felt logic and a matter of common sense to me at the time.
If you hit ball first or both at the same time, you are giving the ball a push against the cushion which will make it bounce outwards inevitably. By hitting cushion first, and it's only miliseconds maybe, the cue ball compresses the cushion and hits the ball "from the other direction", dunno if that makes sense but it is hard to explain for me in english as i am not english native speaker :-).
Useful tips, btw im a fan of Mark Selby (a champion with gentlemen character) not ROS
Love the content but I can’t find Richmond, VA USA on the map.
Nice video mate
Would love a pin for Witham in Essex :)
Never a push shot
I think you hit the rail slightly first on balls frozen to rail to avoid cut induced throw.
Can u cover on how to control aim while increasing speed, waiting to see jaipur on the map ❤️
After more than a year, since the pandemic, I was finally able to go back to the local pool bar and play a game of snooker. I knew I wasn’t going to play well since I haven’t played in a while and had only played a few times before but I did play some good pots that I missed back in 2020 thanks to your videos that have helped my technique. However, I really struggle to put any back spin on the ball. Even in straight shots, the best I can do is stun the white but I can’t make it go backwards no matter how much I try. Do you have any tricks?
I’m Juan from Saint-Hubert, south shore of Montreal, Canada
Aim lower and follow through
@@DavidSmith-jm3xr I think it might be the follow through thank you David
Hello from Czech Republic, Ostrava
you make such brilliant content man, so much effort and time put in. Contrasts heavily from the wank channels that copy and paste matches and clickbait themselves silly. Keep it up!
I'm American so I have virtually no access to a snooker table, only billiards, so I can't become a better snooker player simply by subscribing... but I shall subscribe anyway. Although I do want to get a snooker table someday
Have you noticed the players position the white using their bare hands to break. Does this not add residue on the white and increase kicks.
I have always aimed slightly, and I mean as much as possible before the object ball when I want to run it down the rail. And I can run a ball frozen on the rail all the way down the table so it works for me.
Speak to the SloMo Guys. Their channel is fantastic.
Hey break from life I was wondering who is your favorite player?
Pretty cool physics, bro.
Out of curiosity, I wonder if you would be allowed to ask the referee ahead of time if such a shot will be a foul or not. After all, it is up to the referee's interpretation whether it is or not. The player would have no sure way of knowing what that interpretation would be without asking.
8:03 You died.
No. Your video of when you play with screw or topspin isn't actually showing that the tip is in contact with the cue ball... It's just showing that the cue ball moves away slower (as expected) and hence the tip stays closer to the cue ball, but not necessarily in contact with it. Your footage was too fuzzy to show this difference and you made the wrong assumption that the tip is in contact with the CB.
So back to the question. Was Ronnie's shot a push shot? Absolutely Not.
In the Ronnie’s shot cue ball starts to travel at 90degrees angle to the object ball direction, that strongly suggest the shot wasn’t a foul. And it’s a lot thinner than you showing in the video. At the thin angle, it is actually quite hard to make double contact because the cue ball escapes to side so quickly.
There are many shots in the artistic billiard where cue ball and object ball is as close as 5mm or less and you have to make legal hit and draw or follow then make double rails and so on. The Ronnie’s shot is much easier than that.
Watching you from Krasnogorsk, Russia
What's it like there?
Well done on the video again but for me definitely not a foul impossible with the angle and distance
Brilliant. You did really well with the slomo's. I think, from my last mention of this, you have well achieved enough detail with the equipment you have to explain these issues and I can't wait until you have a camera upgrade, I have always wondered if the friction of the cue ball has any determinable amount of effect upon the object ball and if there are any visible evidences of static between the cue and object ball. Is it possible to measure the static charge of the cloth near the playing of a shot or from a player or if any material such as carpet, shoes and trousers etc could effect the static charge. I know the ref wears certain type of gloves to help avoid static as well as other issues such as grease from his hands. Very well done and thank you for exploring this with the slomo's. Can't wait to see more. Graham from Thurso in Scotland :)
As a referee I tell players that to lessen the chances of a double hit is to aim so that the stroke line would not pass through the object ball.
I was told to aim at 45° angle.
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Go check out Dr Dave Billiards, he's a physics professor who is also a bloody good pool player, and applies physics to pool lessons ...
Cheers, great video, from Hamilton, New Zealand
Great video Love From Pakistan
Hit the slow mo guys up they might do a collaborative
And I thought cricket is difficult to explain
No that’s way harder. The rules of Snooker are usually easy to explain which makes this even more annoying