I was WRONG about Exposure?! (Cinematography Update)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Here's a little update video on 'The Secret to Cinematic Exposure' and we're talking - things that I got wrong, how I now (after a year) approach exposing a shot and why I don't recommend ETTR anymore.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 Intro
00:54 Misleading Things
02:11 What I got Wrong
03:45 18% Middle Gray
05:56 Practical Example
06:59 Important Insight
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I have a couple of things I want to say. Maybe a bit more than a couple.
First of all, anyone whose opinion is worth considering will respect and applaud you for being open to learning more, discovering that what you thought was wrong, and then making a video with the new, more accurate information. None of us are right all the time. And the people who think they are, are insufferable. Even if this process was not comfortable for you, please know that for the majority of people, you will have risen in their estimations.
Second - I really got a lot from the first video and the comments which accompanied it. I'm really trying to learn how to light - it's one thing that I'm not strong on at all. Not once did I consider my exposure. I just make sure it's not too dark and not too bright and I"ll be fine, right? Wrong. Your videos (the previous one and this one) have basically opened a brand new door for me and I feel like I can take this information and practise and actually might see the meaningful results I am after. Do you realise what a gift this is for me? It's HUGE!
So thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for making both videos. Your method of explanation and provided examples make it all VERY clear. I am not exaggerating when I say you have completely changed the way I will approach filming.
Damn, means a lot man! 🙏🏽 that’s exactly why I make these videos
You admitted your mistakes, corrected them, and then expanded on the idea. You’re a real one for that broski! Thank you putting this out and dropping gems. It’s a process for sure, but we’re all learning together. May peace and blessings be upon gang 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Appreciate your words ma dude ✊🏽
My 2 cents, if I may: In my opinion, a lot of beginners or even established cinematographers are too worried about making a technically correct image or exposure which leads to them forgetting to look at the image from a purely emotional standpoint as well. Simply put: Instead of thinking all the time about how it "should be done" or what the rules are, we should trust our vision and really ask ourselves "Am I loving this shot?" and "Does this fit the story?". And NOT from a rational point of view, like "I love this, because I think I exposed it correctly at 18% and didn't make any mistakes", but JUST because it looks and feels right. It works.
In regards to your test, the lighting I absolutely like the best is the one at 6:27 when you're about to walk out of frame, disregarding the background as still too bright. This slightly blown out window gives a wonderful realistic feeling of a sunlit outside, the curtain helps by breaking apart all the clipped areas, the edge light on the man looks great and the foreground is dark, but not too dark. You see all the detail and it looks super natural. For me, it looks way better and professional than all the lit stuff afterwards. Interestingly enough, even you standing next to him really helps the image in my opinion. There's a little too much spill for my taste, but when you step next to him, it blocks some of it from the wall to camera left. Without that "negative fill" I find the face a little too bright on camera side.
Of course this is only my taste, but I see it a lot in movies too. For naturalistic lighting a sunny outside needs(!) to look really bright in order to be realistic. If it's gelled too much, it starts looking fake and just wrong, and the talent often ends up brighter than the average outside IRE. My guess it, this all comes from a too technical analysis and people thinking "oh wait, the window is really hot, this isn't "correct".
To prove my point, here are a bunch of stills from Roger Deakins movies, all with blown out windows and beautiful resulting images: we.tl/t-aYRobaF24d
Most of those settings are in a warm climate, with an intense sun. Obviously, if it was clearly after sunset and pastel colors on the horizon you don't want the window to be blown out. It's all a matter of context and feel, to me at least.
Moral of my essay: Don't go with a rule or percentage, look at images. Trust your vision and your feel. Ask yourself, what does this frame need?
Yeah for sure man! I totally agree. Just wanted to drop this one on how to technically expose and demonstrate since some people were asking for it. I definitely also follow my eyes to shoot and how I like my levels. Once you know the "rules/fundamentals“ and you‘ve experimented with different ways of exposure and how it may or may not help with grading… You can do whatever you seek and more importantly tells the story best 🙏🏽 Also great input man.
However, it's not an accident these rules are taught in every film school. I learned the exact same principles when studying still photography when schools like that still existed. While "just go for how you feel" has its place, knowing the laws of optics, physics and even some biology/psychology is by far more important in achieving an impactful result.
Shooting by feel can result in a good shot, but more often than not just a longer post production, or unforeseen issues later. Getting the shot exposed according to the "boring rules" will at least give you a pleasant, consistent and firm result that can be tweaked later.
As Jared said in his original video, know the rules before breaking them.
@@Mk-qb2ny I totally agree that you should know the rules before you break them. But that doesn't mean "Shoot the rules and then break them in post". Meaning, I know that I'm overexposing the window, but I also know that I want that and that I will not try to recover them in post. If you like what you shoot in camera, why would it make for a longer post production? Knowing all the technicals definitely is super important in making the best out of every situation and working around the limitations of your camera and sensor. My point was simply, don't expose and aim for some "save middle ground" instead of thinking what the image feels like to you. No need for ONLY one or the other in my opinion.
Oh man, I love that your shooting videos with your grandfather, this is just priceless. Just embrace those moments 🙂
Yes, we gotta cherish them as long as we still have them with us 🙏🏽
Oh yes! ❤
He seems so nice. I miss my grandparents.
You seemed so down, brother. You've shown great character. Keep it up!
Filmmaking, as an art and craft, has a foundation of fundamental principles. However, once these basics are understood, the path to mastery lies in the hands of the individual, who must explore and experiment with various techniques to refine their skills. In my observation of the last video I viewed, it appeared to me that you were conveying what has worked well for you in your own filmmaking endeavors. As with any tutorial, it is imperative to take away what resonates with you and apply it through experimentation. Should the techniques yield favorable results, one can continue to utilize them in their creative pursuits. Conversely, if they do not align with one's style or approach, one can explore other avenues until a technique that suits their needs is found. Despite this, it must be noted that your videos have been immensely helpful to me and countless others, as you offer valuable insights free of charge. Your generosity and willingness to share your knowledge are truly commendable, and I thank you for the immense help you have provided me along my filmmaking journey.
Well said! Super glad to read through this, thanks for letting me know it’s been helpful to your journey!
Fantastic video! Embracing mistakes is a crucial part of the learning process; they pave the way for refining our workflows and sparking innovative ideas. Keep up the excellent work!
This video has the right contrast good job. If you look at my lettuce hydroponic video I run 3 studio lights and use c100 mkii cinema camera and you can see I expose to 33 percent ire for middle grey for clog and bring it up to 50 middle grey after color grade in rec709. Good luck filming.... Outdoors clog I use datacube to set pure black, 5 percent black and 95 white. I also use a gray fong white dome over the lens to set whitebalance outdoors in clog and get exposure set to 33 percent outdoors with dome over the lens. I always use a cpl in studio and outside to remove glare off objects
Love how humble and eager to learn you are ♥ I can definitely see you soon becoming one of my favorite TH-cam filmmakers. Keep up the great work! 👏🏻
Damn, means the world! thank u
I found your video really helpful actually. I was clipping the heck out of my highlights without even thinking enough about it until post and then I had flat lines I couldn’t do much with. Your first vid helped me recognise that it was not good to loose that detail. However this vid makes it obvious to me that often I need extra lighting to bring up the skin tones to compensate. Even though I don’t suffer with noise level very often, lighting the subject to bring the skin tones up to compensate really retains that extra detail and control. Keep it up please and do be opinionated. It does help us new guys. 👍
Really glad to hear! That’s exactly why I make these 🙏🏽
Thank you for sharing. All the good vibes your way 🙌
Keep going - I have learned from this video! (& humility is a rare commodity on YT) - subscribed!
Welcome aboard!
wow, its mind boggling how deep and involved filmmaking is and im getting more and more intrigued
I’ve felt I struggled with exposure for the past 3 years on my channel. I was obsessed with getting skin tones at the 70-75 point and it was running my shots. Watching your first video was the first and only thing that gave me the confidence to expose skin tones lower to get a more balanced and pleasing image overall. It was a great video!
Once I learned to use false colors and expose for skin tones, my life changed.. Lol but it is true
I found your last video really helpful and tbh one of the best videos on lighting out there. I can imagine that some conversations can get out of control because I also experienced it myself. It's kind of funny how you create a piece of content without any bad intentions and there are always people how manage to find something bad in it. And then the bad comments kind of cover up the feedback that is 90% positive. I would say just keep going :)
Happy to hear Manuel! Yeah i’m not gonna worry about them complains too much rather focusing on the good and creating what I want. I even always say it’s up to you and subjective and what not haha
New to this channel, and having seen many others about filmmaking, I have to say that yours is one of the best. A new subscriber here. Thank you for your efforts in making these videos.
Thank you so much, happy to have you in the community :)
for run and gun, we like exposure on reflected white, you can find white anywhere if correct you can get middle gray
Thank you so much for both videos. I’m an artist and designer who’s trying to get into more serious video so this helped IMMENSELY. I feel like I have a great understanding of the basics and I can’t wait to get out there and shoot. Thanks again :)
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Bro you’re a real one! Thank you for this 🙏🏽
I appreciate that!
Bro you're all good! Don't be afraid to make mistakes. your videos are super helpful. PLEASE make a video on how you have learned to expose skin tones to middle grey and the tools you've learned to achieve this. having a hard time learning from other youtubers. they aren't as clear as you.
Super glad to hear, Caleb! What exactly do you want me to go more in depth? Imo I already showed exposing to middle grey in the practical part (?)
I've learned that the window light or practicals should always be 2 stops above the skin exposure since the extra light we use is to be seen as a natural source.
that makes perfectly sense. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the update!
I have not tested it but I read somewhere that the sensor does not capture the 256 "shades" of of brightness equally, but in brighter areas the division is finer as in darker parts. If ithis is true, it would mean that the image would look differently if your exposed one stop over and then and brought it down 1 stop in post then if you would expose "correctly". This would also kind of explain the shift in color.
BTW: Your grandpa seems quite lovely :D
Thank you so much ❤
Please, make more videos. You’re the coolest TH-camr out here. ❤
Super happy to hear, dude!
Love this video and found it super helpful. Also question - where can I get the chair your grandpa was sitting in? It looked so comfortable lol
Thank you! Honestly I’ve no idea, don’t think they still produce them too it’s probably from the 60s/70s. But they’re definitely comfy
Happy to discover this channel
Happy to have you here 🙏🏽 Welcome!
i subbed for pap!! you can tell how much he loves
Welcome man!
i always seen other youtubes and all what i usually read about filming and exposing being about exposing for skins... when i saw yours i was like wait are we all doing it wrong? xD good thing you made this cuz i changed my zebras after your other video now ill change em back for skins.
Thanks for sharing! I keep wondering whats the best way to keep consistent exposure when running and gunning or basically improvising. Shutter priority? EV compensation? auto iso?
all manual, final tweaks for shot matching are done in post / color grading
@@jaredfilms what do you keep your eye on when running and gunning? EV? Zebras? Monitoring with LUT? Waveform? I shoot sony slog3 without monitor (yet), I use a vario nd (expensive B&W) to adjust exposure but that results in color shifts and obvious exposure jumps, also I try to keep exposure at around +1.3-1.7 using multimeter. I don’t get the results I want and at times have problems in post. Especially with changes in color temperature. Any suggestions how to optimize my approach? When shooting with controlled light on a scripted basis it’s obviously a different story
Could you please do a video on your camera rig and monitors specifically? pls!!
Yeah can do one once it’s complete… still needs some missing pieces
what is it with grandpas always touching hair 😂
Also i understand that you are maybe a bit sad to get so much "corrective" feedack from people, but honestly your video was still great and you also learned through posting it so just don't let it affect you too much and see the positive, you do great work!
Shoutout to grandpa
Sub because your not afraid to admit a mistake
I got some questions regarding terminology, since you talked about this in the beginning of the video.
At the beginning of the video 1:10 you say that an overexposure is when the whole frame is overexposed, and if only a portion of a frame is exposed too "hot", then one should say that it is "clipped". Later you say at 4:25 that "you can expose to the brightest part of the image, but then you have to make sure that nothing else is underexposed".
But, if we shouldn't say that a blown out ("clipped") portion of a frame is overexposed, then shouldn't we also be prevented from saying that a blacked out portion of a frame is underexposed? It seems to me that both overexposure and underexposure should either be referred to the exposure of the image as a whole, or the terms should be equally valid for portions of a frame/scene.
If one can say that a portion of a frame is underexposed, but one cannot say that a portion of a frame is overexposed (because one should rather say that it is "clipped"), then we have a terminological asymmetry which seems theoretically disadvantageous.
(This is probably not an important discussion. People understand either way. But since you are talking about terminology, and feel that you needed to clarify your wordings, it might be good to not use the terms asymmetrically).
Awesom brrrrroooo
I don't think one should expose like a robot. there are way too many variables to always want to expose your subject at middle grey. In my opinion the look at 5:55 is close to perfect (it's like 1/3 stop under my liking). I think some scenes call for exposing at middle grey but I think it's okay to expose over and below. most importantly trust your gut. cinematography is an art form.
thank you so much! also what monitor do u use to get the IRE readings? interested in purchasing one and the one you own seems like good quality
For IRE readings I actually use my internal false color function from my blackmagic cinema camera. I trust it the most since it get‘s me an actual reading of my log footage. (can also send it out via hdmi) My external monitor is actually pretty trash wouldn’t recommend. Bought it back in 2020 just because I needed one real bad and urgent so I only spent 200$ on it. Haven’t upgraded yet since my cameras monitor is quite good and big so it’s not urgent. I‘d recommend you to invest in a good external monitor if you don’t wanna buy twice (:
Yes, but yr first video is still valid IMO bec nonone says that's the 'only' rule. It's a good way to think about it and then yes of course skin tones also have to be right. Part 1 and Part 2!
Yeah for sure! Thanks Phil
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Hi Jared, what is the name of the flex light used on here? Thanks!
bro you have name on it walimex pro flex led 1000 bi color
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I've a question, can we edit a video on flat profile and still make it look cinematic?
what do you mean?
@@jaredfilms I shoot on nikon z30, which unfortunately don't have any log profiles... so if I shoot at flat profile, can I make the footage look cinematic?
@kshitijgajbhiye5261 you can shoot on anything and make it look "cinematic". But if it helps, my older videos where all shot on a flat profile and not cinema camera
5:45 turn on captions and thank me later😀
lmaoo
Don't worry about the "misleading" stuff, I didn't notice & people get very angry about all that technical stuff for some reason 😂
For sure… there’s also someone complaining about it being too long, the other guy saying it’s too short. Whatever haha 🤷🏽♂️ Glad you think so, and thanks for watching (:
I thought your first video was amazing. This one was really good too. I'm sorry some people can be really rude on the internet.
Appreciate you Nick!
“Cinematic exposure” makes no sense in this context. What ASC or BSC does is to reduce the dynamic range in their shots in order to make the whole frame look visible to the eye unless it’s not meant to be for artistic choice. Therefore, dynamic range won’t be higher than 8-10 stops and you can shoot that shot with an iPhone. Cinematic exposure is not even a word.
Wonderful video! Small mistake in the subtitles. It says especially if your vagina gets serious about exposure.
He's so cute
Maybe make a note on the original video?
i did (:
you remind me Jeff Buckley.
The first two minutes of this video can be safely skipped.
callate
Thank you for this. Do you have discord? Maybe create a server for the community :)
You're welcome. Great idea actually, I will have a look!