Steve Garvey is another Dodger that deserves to be in the hall of fame. 2599 hits, 755 extra-base hits, 1308 RBI's, .294 BA, .338 career post-season BA, 1X NL MVP, 10X NL all-star, 4x gold glove, 81' World Series Champion.
Gil Hodges: also add managerial career( which I'm surprised Marc didn't mention), he managed the 1969 Miracle Mets to a world series title. That, with his great playing career, should have had him in years ago
yeah, and talking about MANAGING!!! Hodges took my team, the Washington Senators, the lowly Washington Senators, to respectability!! WHY DO YOU THINK THE METS WANTED GIL TO MANAGE!!!!!!
My pick for the Dodgers would have been Steve Garvey, but he is included here as a Podre. I once looked over past BBWAA voting results, and Hodges had high percentages while on the BBWAA ballot (besides being under 75%). I've never seen anyone do as well as he did when on the ballot and never get elected for as long as he has, so I don't disagree on Hodges.
I'm still pissed they overlooked McGriff the Crime Dog. The guy locked down so many seasons and never really rode out DLs or any kind of allegations. His curse was being in Tampa Bay.
For the Mets I’d go with Dwight Gooden, or Jerry Koosman. Gooden was so good for about 5 years. In 1985 had one of the greatest seasons ever. And Koosman won 222 games and had a career 3.36 era. Just my opinion.
As awesome as Nettles was... my choice would be Therman Munson. Fantastic catcher and batter, Postseason stud, the list goes on and on about how good he was.
Evans was overshadowed by Jim Rice & Fred Lynn in Boston's star-studded OF. But he was better all-round & played at an elite level longer than either of them.
Some great choices here are some other honorable mentions: Mark Grace - Cubs most hits in the 1990s and won gold gloves Julio Franco - Rangers Mookie Wilson - Mets Dave Steib - Blue Jays Kenny Lofton - Indians the definition of a lead off hitter Andy Van Slyke- Cardinals power hitter gold glove winner Moises Alou - Expos Aramis Ramirez - Pirates
As a Pirates fan, I’m glad you picked Dave Parker! The Cobra should’ve been in Cooperstown ages ago. I would’ve also been fine with Bill Madlock. Mad Dog won 4 NL batting titles and is a lifetime .305 hitter yet he’s been snubbed by the Hall.
He didn't even get 5 percent of the vote the first time. Many voters have said that they thought he would stay on the ballot, so they voted for others instead.
Vida Blue, Frank Tanana, Dave Stieb, Darrell Porter, Jack Clark, Greg Luzinski, Fred Lynn, Frank White, Bob Grich, Toby Harrah, Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Keith Hernandez, Don Mattingly.
Samuel Moulds ...Darrell Porter was a 3 time starting all star back to back and the MVP of the 1983 World Series. Catchers should catch a break they are the workhorse of the team but they get overlooked for their work and expect them to hit 300 Hr's plus.
Marc love the pick for the Twins! Johan was a beast but in my opinion Tony Olivia is the best Twin not in the hall! If u have never heard of him look at his stats! It’s a crime he’s not in
Tony is the pick not Johan. Tony's career was cut short, but the numbers stand alone. Many of today's baseball writers have stated Tony should be in the hall. Hopefully one day he will get in from the Veteran's Committee vote.
@@shanner You don't get in the HOF with a career as short as Johan's. He's not HOF worthy. He only played 9 full seasons. Awful pick by KnowNothingMarc.
Rand-Tor {Tim Mungin} This man should be in the Hall Of Fame of every major league sport ( basketball and baseball) are the two biggest examples. The monster contracts players today receive wouldn't be possible if not for Curt Flood!
When you came to the Marlins, Kevin Brown was the first player that popped into my head. His career numbers are quite similar to Doc Halladay's. If Delgado or McGriff had put up their best seasons in NY or LA, they would already be in the HOF.
Thanks for the love for the Big cat! Like he missed a whole year because of cancer he plays in 99 Braves probably win the World Series and he definitely hits over four hundred homers
Imo it was probably the corked bat incident and his decline after the run. A lot of players with amazing 10 year runs and brutal, career derailing problems- controversial or not, end up being overlooked.
I grew up an Astros fan (eventually switched to being a Yankees fan) but there were some players who if but for injury... Cesar Cedeno was amazing early in his career. Very Ricky Henderson like numbers. JR Richards was a consistent 300 K pitcher who was at his peak when he had a stroke. I had the 1979 Topps strikeout leaders card with JR leading the NL and Ryan for the AL. If they had been able to pitch together for a few years. The 'Stros pitching was unreal back then... Joe Niekro, Ken Forsch, a young Joaquin Andujar, Dave Smith and Joe Sambito out in the pen,... later they brought in Don Sutton.... I think both JR and Cesar would have been HOFers if not for health problems. Joe Niekro... well, his brother made it. He might be an outside case. Dave Smith and Joe Sambito both had some dominant years as closers but closers weren't valued as high and neither had the longevity. Berkman was great in his prime... But my vote? Jim 'The Toy Cannon' Wynn might also be an outside candidate. His power numbers were hurt by playing in the Astrodome and his batting average was never great but he had crazy walk totals for the era. He had six seasons with over 100 walks and one with 148. He had 3 seasons with over 30 HRs playing half his games in the Astrodome, which for today's fans, to put it into context, was the anti-Coors, dare I say it, even the anti-prehumidore-Coors. It was were home runs went to die. (Actually, that was one of the things that made it possible to stop liking the Astros. They constructed their teams entirely differently after leaving the Astrodome.) bleacherreport.com/articles/421457-jim-wynn-a-deserving-hall-of-famer
In terms of players that still have the chance, the best Astro not yet in the Hall of Fame is undoubtedly Billy Wagner. I’m okay with Marc picking Berkman though; he was an insane hitter that, outside of Houston, tragically got overshadowed by the other two Killer B’s with Bagwell’s slugger stats and Biggio’s longevity winning out and giving them Hall of Fame stats.
@@waynejohanson1083 I did mention Gil Hodges under another comment on this thread. Reggie Smith and Brooklyn Dodger Don Newcombe are a couple of others.
I respect your decision on the twins Johan, but not choosing Tony Oliva or Jim Kaat is a crime! Kaat was a great MLB pitcher with 283-237 record and 3.45 career ERA, but his x-factor is that he won 16 gold gloves!!! Tony O may have been the best Twin of all time, but injuries cut his career short :(. Keep up the great vids, best baseball content on TH-cam!
@Ocasio-Cortez4prez2022 second to Mike Trout puts him in a group with nearly every other outfielder that ever played. Few could claim too be in his league
@Ocasio-Cortez4prez2022 it's the most unusual thing to have 2 players named that way. It's unfortunate that Tim had so many injuries that shortened his career. I'm glad that it looks like they will share 1 thing, which is that they will both be careful Angels players. That's a pretty rare thing these days.
Although I do agree with some of your picks (Dave Parker, Dwight Evans) I think you are looking over some older players......... Tony Oliva, Tommy John, Jim Kaat to name a few. Not to meniton if you go way back and factor in players who lost time to military service such as the Tigers Cecil Travis or Indians batting champion Lew Fonseca who had his career cut short due to injury.... or even Carl Mays who had his incident on the diamond and was forever thrown away in the history of baseball. I guess I am just a little biased though because it is hard for me to characterize someone from the steroids era as a HOFer because it is hard to believe who wasn't using and was. Great work however wish I would have thought up this idea. Keep up the good work.
@matthew tant Gaylord Perry cheated with the spit ball and he's in and the difference is, the spitball was by rule illegal. Steroids, while illegal, baseball looked the other way especially after the 1994 strike.
I wouldn't even worry about Jackson not knowing what he signed. His performance proves he didn't try throwing anything. For the series he had no errors, 12 hits which was a World Series record until 1964, and hit .375 for the series, the highest average for either the Sox or Reds.
@@HonestUAWElectrician but he took the money knowing what it was for. He knew what they wanted when he took the money, he knew what his teammates were doing and said nothing which means regardless of his performance he was accepting of the act in throwing the series. If bank robbers get caught prior to making it to the get away car the get away drive still gets charged as an accomplice. I feel for Joe but he didn't do the right thing. If he would have taken the money then gone to his manager or the commissioner and said his teammates were going to throw the game, he would be in the HoF. By the time he was made the offer several players were already tossed from baseball and the league made sure everyone knew if they were caught that would be the case. It is a sad story but an excellent warning to others. One which another player on this list clearly failed to heed.
Humm Baby Baseball ⚾️okay there’s no point in putting obviously choices in a video. It’s nice to put out other people in their careers then the obvious folks...
I agree. I really like Jimmy Ballgame but he was not a career Cardinal. While we got Willie from the Yanks, he did spend the majority of his career as a Cardinal.
First and foremost, great job. You always put a lot of time and effort into your videos and it's evident. Fantastic content bro. Anyway, I have to disagree with you on just two of your picks. Gallaraga (Colorado) and Buhner (Seattle). Both great picks for sure but for me, it's Todd Helton for Colorado and Ichiro for Seattle.
Galarraga was a beast offensively and defensively. A very smart player. He did have a horrible slump for a few years after leaving Montreal, and although he did have a 3 to 4 year slump after leaving Montreal, he bounced back nicely. He is the one guy who would take over games when his number was called up with men on base. A strong candidate for the hall, if they ever truly gave guys a second look. Fred McGriff was just super consistent, and like Galarraga, always a class act. He needs to be in the hall. Delgado is a hall of famer, as he was one of the greats of his generation. It is most likely that his political stance against the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, as well as, the use of Vieques (PR) for weapons' testing. Delgado was great, and should be in the hall, as politics should not be a barrier for anyone to be in the hall.
If Dale Murphy can't be in the HOF with 398 home runs then neither can Galarraga with his 399 HR. Murphy was also a better overall player and Galarraga struck out far too much.
Sadly, Dwight Evans played his last season for the Orioles. He was one of the best defensive outfielders of his generation (in one of the most difficult right fields in MLB) and during the second half of his career one of the best hitters in the game.
You're about right for the Brewers. Few guys with more career HRs (Burnitz, Sexson), but Cecil Cooper was a far more complete player. I grew up with the Brewers teams of the '90s so I'm very familiar with how much talent they didn't ever have. Those Wendy Selig years were effing ROUGH man...
I heard somewhere that ozzie smith while on the veteran committee, keeps concepcion out of the hall of fame because smith believes he got screwed out of the 1979 gold glove by concepcion.
Norm Cash and Bill Freehan were also pretty good hitters in a tough era. Freehan played a long time and was a top hitter and backstop; Cash is second on the Tiger list with 373 HR, again, in a tough era.
Your right about Lolich I believe when he retired he had the most career k's for a lefthanded pitcher since broken and 1968 World Series last game he out pitched Bob Gibson which was unbelievable back then
Overall, a very good list. However, I have a few differences: Mets: Keith Hernandez Indians: Kenny Lofton, Omar Vizquel (Belle is a good choice too, though) Braves: Andruw Jones (but I understand why you went with Murphy) Orioles: Rafael Palmeiro, Bobby Grich DBacks: Curt Schilling Yankees: Don Mattingly Rockies: Todd Helton (again, I can see your reasoning for choosing Galarraga)
I think the right choice for the Nats was an expo named Jeff Reardon who is their saves leader and was the Major League Baseball saves leader for a time until his record was broken but very underrated
Good list. So many fans here in Detroit think that Sweet Lou has been robbed, but he didn't quite get HOF numbers. I'm trying to decide if "He averaged ____ every single season" is redundant, logically impossible, or both.
Tommy John should have been in the hall of fame long ago... 289 wins and a surgery named after him that has saved the careers of many pitchers.. slam dunk
Seattle is clearly Ichiro now that he’s no longer playing, but he’s obviously going to go in the hof. Olerud, on the other hand, I’d put on the jays behind Delgado.
Thank you for bringing up Albert Belle! Nobody ever talks about him. It annoys me so much that players like Koufax get a pass for having their careers end early by injury but not Albert Belle. If Albert Belle wasn’t forced to retire early I think he could have gone down as one of the greatest hitters of all time (plus he didn’t even do steroids).
I'm OK with Albert Belle not in the HoF. He was a pretty good hitter, but his WAR totals weren't great because he played during the onset of the steroid era so he couldn't distance himself from the field. I'd rather see Kenny Lofton in the Hall than Belle. But what is absolutely true is that the 1995 AL MVP voting was a joke. There was absolutely no good reason to vote for Mo Vaughn ahead of Albert Belle. Belle was better in about every conceivable way, plus you couldn't even make a team success argument since Cleveland was an incredible 100-44.
@@mrmacross that's true. But I still think he should make it cause before injury he had one of the greatest peaks of all time. I think we can both agree though that Johan was absolutely robbed. If AL Cy Young voters weren't stupid in 2005 and gave Johan the Cy Young he deserved, we'd be looking at a player with 3 straight Cy Young's. Pretty hard to deny a guy who 3-peated the Cy Young award from entering in the Hall of Fame, even if his peak wasn't long cause of injury.
@@elijahjones2763 Oh yeah, Santana was hosed. But it was still the pre-sabermetric era of voting, so Colon's 21 wins stuck out to voters, and the Angels won their division. Should Santana be in the Hall? I think you could make an argument for him. He's kind of like a less-extreme version of Sandy Koufax, but similar in terms of career length and length of peak. Koufax was more dominant, but Santana was the best pitcher in baseball for three straight years. I don't think it's terrible that he didn't get voted in, but it's fair to point out he has more career WAR than Koufax in fewer IP.
Great list, only one I’d really quibble with is the Cleveland Indians. I’d say Kenny Lofton and his 68.3 WAR is a better candidate than Belle and his 40.3 WAR. Rose and Jackson should be in the HOF and while all these players were very good not one of them is a HOFer to me.
@@jackpearce3096 Alive Davis is a great pick too. Olerud is tough for me to go with because he spent so few years with the Ms, and those weren't his best (but still good). But yeah as a player Olerud is a great choice too.
For The Yankees I would go with Roger Marris. Yeah the dude who broke Babe Ruth’s single season home run record without using steroids isn’t in the Hall Of Fame.
Ben Goldstein maybe if he played a different position other then 1st. He don’t have good stats for a typical first basemen since all he did is hit weak singles and a couple doubles. Your acting like 1st base is hard to play.... worlds series means nothing since that’s a team effort and he definitely didn’t win World Series MVP anyway.
@@joeymiller2725 that might've been the worst rebuttal and diminishment of someones accomplishments i've ever read. I genuinely don't even think it's worth debating you.
@@phathead41 I thought the same thing. I cannot believe he did not receive any consideration. Probably because he wasn't a power hitting first basemen like the rest of the league had during the steroid era.
I noticed that you didn't include Ichiro Suzuki for the Mariners because everyone already knows that he's 1st ballot 1st year and maybe even unanimous vote into the Hall of Fame.
This makes zero sense Steve Garvey was the face of mlb back then and he played in 1300 straight games played a season with no errors. And he had arms like popeye before juice
Garvey should be in the hall . . . but his choice of Hodges was the correct one for the Dodgers. Gil Hodges has been one of, if not the biggest snub of the Hall of Fame for 50+ years. When he retired, he was 6th all time in HR by a right-handed batter and was voted by sportswriters as the best defensive 1B EVER up to that point (The video mentions that he won 3 gold gloves, but that's only because gold gloves weren't awarded until 1957. Hodges' last year as a starter was 1959. Even in his twilight as a player, he won the first 3 gold gloves ever given to a 1B.)
Great list. Possible good arguments are Lolich in Detroit, Conception in Cinncy since Rose is only out bc of gambling Minoso for the Sox bc Jackson should be a HOFer, Luis giant for the Red Sox, willie Wilson for the Royals. Since in my mind Hodges should be in, Hershiser takes his spot maybe. Regardless, awesome list. Makes you remember the other greats.
Best and worst contract going into the 2020 season for each team
Cano, DeGrom
Chris Davis and John Means for the orioles
@@racetracknerd9484 Can't wait for the new Bobby Bonilla day with Davis in a few years.................
Chremykins The goat why
Blue Jays
Best: Lourdes Gurriel Jr.
Worst: Troy Tulowitzki
Steve Garvey is another Dodger that deserves to be in the hall of fame. 2599 hits, 755 extra-base hits, 1308 RBI's, .294 BA, .338 career post-season BA, 1X NL MVP, 10X NL all-star, 4x gold glove, 81' World Series Champion.
What about his consecutive games streak I believe he is 3rd behind Ripken and Gehrig.
Gil Hodges: also add managerial career( which I'm surprised Marc didn't mention), he managed the 1969 Miracle Mets to a world series title. That, with his great playing career, should have had him in years ago
yeah, and talking about MANAGING!!! Hodges took my team, the Washington Senators, the lowly Washington Senators, to respectability!! WHY DO YOU THINK THE METS WANTED GIL TO MANAGE!!!!!!
My pick for the Dodgers would have been Steve Garvey, but he is included here as a Podre. I once looked over past BBWAA voting results, and Hodges had high percentages while on the BBWAA ballot (besides being under 75%). I've never seen anyone do as well as he did when on the ballot and never get elected for as long as he has, so I don't disagree on Hodges.
@@torrjpct yeah, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!
I always thought he was in.
Amen
For the blue jays you can also add Dave Stieb, excellent pitcher somehow not in the hall
Indians - Kenny Lofton
Yankees - Bernie Williams
Mets - Dwight Gooden
Who was his Indians choice?
@@jasonmatteson9909 Yeah idk why he chose Strawberry over Gooden.
Jason Matteson Albert Belle. Lofton deserves to be in.
@@jasonmatteson9909 Belle
@@vindog2461 idk Manny Ramirez was better than both of em tbh
I'm still pissed they overlooked McGriff the Crime Dog. The guy locked down so many seasons and never really rode out DLs or any kind of allegations. His curse was being in Tampa Bay.
As a Blue Jays fan I appreciate you being as upset over Delgado as we are lol
McGriff should be in to
And Dave Stieb
Best player ever not to get enough votes to be alive in the ballot.
Yankee fan here. Delgado is one of my all-time favorites and it's a disgrace he isn't in the hall.
Joe carter over delgado
For the Mets I’d go with Dwight Gooden, or Jerry Koosman. Gooden was so good for about 5 years. In 1985 had one of the greatest seasons ever. And Koosman won 222 games and had a career 3.36 era. Just my opinion.
myglorioushog - Koosman, Grote, Harrelson.
Johnny Bench said if Jerry Grote was the Reds catcher he'd [Bench]would have been playing 3rd base.
Sorry, it was 2 of the best years EVER pitched, but only 2.
No Hall for 2 year wonders no matter how great those two years were.
James Franco is also the reliever with the most saves who isn't in. But yes Gooden and Koosman are the top 2 Mets outside the HOF IMO.
@@commodorezeroKeith Hernandez
As awesome as Nettles was... my choice would be Therman Munson. Fantastic catcher and batter, Postseason stud, the list goes on and on about how good he was.
davyt0247 hol up he's not in???
@@jackhalley5543 no he isn't
@@jackhalley5543 He was on the veteran's committee ballot last year and wasn't voted in
@@jayhalloween1334 and I have no idea why they didn't
@@jayhalloween1334 which makes him ineligible for the list.
Good pick on Dwight Evans, his numbers mimic those
of Jim Rice and he was a much better defensive player.
Evans was overshadowed by Jim Rice & Fred Lynn in Boston's star-studded OF. But he was better all-round & played at an elite level longer than either of them.
Dewey was a stud
He led all of MLB in extra base hits for the entire decade in the 80's.
Had the Red Sox won the 75 WS Evan's would have been the series mvp.
One technical point; Unfortunately, Dwight Evans did not spend all 20 season with the Red Sox. He spent his 20th and final season with the Orioles.
Some great choices here are some other honorable mentions:
Mark Grace - Cubs most hits in the 1990s and won gold gloves
Julio Franco - Rangers
Mookie Wilson - Mets
Dave Steib - Blue Jays
Kenny Lofton - Indians the definition of a lead off hitter
Andy Van Slyke- Cardinals power hitter gold glove winner
Moises Alou - Expos
Aramis Ramirez - Pirates
Derrick Lee was better than Mark Grace
As a Pirates fan, I’m glad you picked Dave Parker! The Cobra should’ve been in Cooperstown ages ago. I would’ve also been fine with Bill Madlock. Mad Dog won 4 NL batting titles and is a lifetime .305 hitter yet he’s been snubbed by the Hall.
OriginalGrasshopper how can a 4 time batting champ get shut out. And Parker was unreal.
Dave Parker was one of my all-time favorite's. So talented, his career was to shirt
Like Albert Bell writers where intimidated by him.
Al "Scoop" Oliver and in honor of my father, may he rest In peace, Roy Face.
@@RobAGabor sympathy & condolences to you and your family Rob
Keith Hernandez should be an honorable mention. MVP, 11 consecutive gold gloves, 2X world series champion, 5 time all star and almost 2200 hits.
Yes Sir!!! Keith Hernandez does belong in the HOF, dude was a stud
this whole time i thought Jim Edmonds was in the HOF
He didn't even get 5 percent of the vote the first time. Many voters have said that they thought he would stay on the ballot, so they voted for others instead.
I heard he was an asshole and he brought down team morale on the Angels.
Derek Lee...why that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. Such an underrated player, definitely deserves a spot in the hall of fame
No he doesn't
Vida Blue, Frank Tanana, Dave Stieb, Darrell Porter, Jack Clark, Greg Luzinski, Fred Lynn, Frank White, Bob Grich, Toby Harrah, Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Keith Hernandez, Don Mattingly.
yeah, and how about J.W. Porter!!!
Samuel Moulds ...Ted Simmons
Samuel Moulds ...Darrell Porter was a 3 time starting all star back to back and the MVP of the 1983 World Series. Catchers should catch a break they are the workhorse of the team but they get overlooked for their work and expect them to hit 300 Hr's plus.
Talk about catchers Lance Parrish deserves an honorable mention along with Javy Lopez and Benito Santiago. Catchers need recognition!
Bill Buckner was a solid hitting player add him on to the list. Won a Batting title and was a hit machine
Marc love the pick for the Twins! Johan was a beast but in my opinion Tony Olivia is the best Twin not in the hall! If u have never heard of him look at his stats! It’s a crime he’s not in
Bennett Dean I’m a Twins fan and I 100% agree. Going into this video that’s who I assumed he would pick.
Tony is the pick not Johan. Tony's career was cut short, but the numbers stand alone. Many of today's baseball writers have stated Tony should be in the hall. Hopefully one day he will get in from the Veteran's Committee vote.
Johan is still robbery, too
@@shanner You don't get in the HOF with a career as short as Johan's. He's not HOF worthy. He only played 9 full seasons. Awful pick by KnowNothingMarc.
If Tony O could have played in the DH era there would be no question whether he would be in the Hall.
5:53 Us Braves fans are still wondering this
Taylor Winslette im a Nats fan and I totally agree. It’s ridiculous
Taylor Winslette I’m a Jays fan and I agree
Taylor Winslette 100%
I'd pick andruw jones over murphy
white deion I would too, but he specifically said guys that straight up didn’t make it. Andruw is still on the ballot
for the A' s i gotta go w vida blue the guy was absolutely dominant
Definitely, Blue was a beast!
he was one of the biggest reasons the A's had a three-peat in 72-74
Curt Flood......Every free agent everywhere should bow their heads for his sacrifice.
Rand-Tor {Tim Mungin} This man should be in the Hall Of Fame of every major league sport ( basketball and baseball) are the two biggest examples. The monster contracts players today receive wouldn't be possible if not for Curt Flood!
Now that Miller is in.
His refusal to report to the Phillies eventually led them to getting a better center fielder,Garry Maddox.
When you came to the Marlins, Kevin Brown was the first player that popped into my head. His career numbers are quite similar to Doc Halladay's. If Delgado or McGriff had put up their best seasons in NY or LA, they would already be in the HOF.
One other guy I wish was consider from the Twins was Tony Oliva. I wish more knew about him and his story and I think it would help him get in.
yeah, I have a major league baseball signed by Tony! hope he makes it to the HOF.
Ah yes if only his knees had held up.
Tony made it in the Hall this year. Ya love to see it!
I remember Tony Olivia I think he won the batting title his rookie season . A great hitter
VC pick, let’s GOOOOO
I'm a Mets fan and man if half my friends heard you pass on Mattingly they'd have a heart attack
Thanks for the love for the Big cat! Like he missed a whole year because of cancer he plays in 99 Braves probably win the World Series and he definitely hits over four hundred homers
Belle really got overlooked because of the era he played in. He had one of the best 10 year runs of all time.
Imo it was probably the corked bat incident and his decline after the run. A lot of players with amazing 10 year runs and brutal, career derailing problems- controversial or not, end up being overlooked.
Hold up, what about Vida Blue?! My dad watched him and told me he was straight up nasty!
Yes!
I looked it up and it was because of substance abuse. Still a insane pitcher tho.
I grew up an Astros fan (eventually switched to being a Yankees fan) but there were some players who if but for injury... Cesar Cedeno was amazing early in his career. Very Ricky Henderson like numbers. JR Richards was a consistent 300 K pitcher who was at his peak when he had a stroke. I had the 1979 Topps strikeout leaders card with JR leading the NL and Ryan for the AL. If they had been able to pitch together for a few years. The 'Stros pitching was unreal back then... Joe Niekro, Ken Forsch, a young Joaquin Andujar, Dave Smith and Joe Sambito out in the pen,... later they brought in Don Sutton....
I think both JR and Cesar would have been HOFers if not for health problems. Joe Niekro... well, his brother made it. He might be an outside case. Dave Smith and Joe Sambito both had some dominant years as closers but closers weren't valued as high and neither had the longevity. Berkman was great in his prime...
But my vote? Jim 'The Toy Cannon' Wynn might also be an outside candidate. His power numbers were hurt by playing in the Astrodome and his batting average was never great but he had crazy walk totals for the era. He had six seasons with over 100 walks and one with 148. He had 3 seasons with over 30 HRs playing half his games in the Astrodome, which for today's fans, to put it into context, was the anti-Coors, dare I say it, even the anti-prehumidore-Coors. It was were home runs went to die. (Actually, that was one of the things that made it possible to stop liking the Astros. They constructed their teams entirely differently after leaving the Astrodome.)
bleacherreport.com/articles/421457-jim-wynn-a-deserving-hall-of-famer
In terms of players that still have the chance, the best Astro not yet in the Hall of Fame is undoubtedly Billy Wagner. I’m okay with Marc picking Berkman though; he was an insane hitter that, outside of Houston, tragically got overshadowed by the other two Killer B’s with Bagwell’s slugger stats and Biggio’s longevity winning out and giving them Hall of Fame stats.
Cubs:Mark Grace
Marlins: Charlie Hough
Royals: I’m partial to David Cone
Angels: Chuck Finley or Jim Fergosi
Padres: Benito Santiago
Mark Grace had a solid HOF career
i agree with Grace also
How Grace isn't in already is a crime. Lifetime .303 BA, 2,445 hits, 3X all star and a 4X gold glove winner.
Another Dodger that should be in the Hall is Fernando Valenzuela!
And perhaps Orel Hershiser
I thought he was in the hall of fame. Fucking shame that he isn't.
Steve Garvey, Maury Wills, Tommy John
@@robertsaul234 All deserving. You forgot to mention Orel Hershisher, Gil Hodges, Tommy Davis, Willie Davis etc.
@@waynejohanson1083 I did mention Gil Hodges under another comment on this thread. Reggie Smith and Brooklyn Dodger Don Newcombe are a couple of others.
Boog Powell should get into the BBQ hall of fame.
(What, I was born in Memphis.)
It is absolutely criminal that they are keeping Dale Murphy out of the Hall of Fame. An absolute head-scratcher.
Thank you! Yes.. Dale Murphy should be in the HOF.
I respect your decision on the twins Johan, but not choosing Tony Oliva or Jim Kaat is a crime! Kaat was a great MLB pitcher with 283-237 record and 3.45 career ERA, but his x-factor is that he won 16 gold gloves!!! Tony O may have been the best Twin of all time, but injuries cut his career short :(. Keep up the great vids, best baseball content on TH-cam!
I didn't think you'd get Tim Salmon for my Halos! Great job! 😃
@Ocasio-Cortez4prez2022 second to Mike Trout puts him in a group with nearly every other outfielder that ever played. Few could claim too be in his league
@Ocasio-Cortez4prez2022 it's the most unusual thing to have 2 players named that way. It's unfortunate that Tim had so many injuries that shortened his career. I'm glad that it looks like they will share 1 thing, which is that they will both be careful Angels players. That's a pretty rare thing these days.
Although I do agree with some of your picks (Dave Parker, Dwight Evans) I think you are looking over some older players......... Tony Oliva, Tommy John, Jim Kaat to name a few. Not to meniton if you go way back and factor in players who lost time to military service such as the Tigers Cecil Travis or Indians batting champion Lew Fonseca who had his career cut short due to injury.... or even Carl Mays who had his incident on the diamond and was forever thrown away in the history of baseball. I guess I am just a little biased though because it is hard for me to characterize someone from the steroids era as a HOFer because it is hard to believe who wasn't using and was. Great work however wish I would have thought up this idea. Keep up the good work.
Best player from every team for 2020
Best position player and best pitcher
Seattle Mariners won't have anyone in 2020 who will be the best. All of them will suck very badly.
Brian Mitchell isn’t Dee Gordon still there?
DAVE STEWART for the oakland a's
Canseco?
@matthew tant Gaylord Perry cheated with the spit ball and he's in and the difference is, the spitball was by rule illegal. Steroids, while illegal, baseball looked the other way especially after the 1994 strike.
Eric Chavez as well.
vida blue was better than dave stewart
Shoeless Joe should be in for the sole purpose that he had no idea what he signed
So he didn't know what he signed but he still took the money knowing what it was for.
I wouldn't even worry about Jackson not knowing what he signed. His performance proves he didn't try throwing anything. For the series he had no errors, 12 hits which was a World Series record until 1964, and hit .375 for the series, the highest average for either the Sox or Reds.
@@HonestUAWElectrician but he took the money knowing what it was for. He knew what they wanted when he took the money, he knew what his teammates were doing and said nothing which means regardless of his performance he was accepting of the act in throwing the series. If bank robbers get caught prior to making it to the get away car the get away drive still gets charged as an accomplice.
I feel for Joe but he didn't do the right thing. If he would have taken the money then gone to his manager or the commissioner and said his teammates were going to throw the game, he would be in the HoF. By the time he was made the offer several players were already tossed from baseball and the league made sure everyone knew if they were caught that would be the case.
It is a sad story but an excellent warning to others. One which another player on this list clearly failed to heed.
@@davidlewis5929 so what if he took the money??? He did nothing to throw the games and his play shows it. But, to each their own.
David Lewis You’re one of the people who says Pete Rose should never be close to the HoF. Fuck off dude
Dale Murphy, Crime Dog, Cecil Cooper, Pete Rose, Tim Wallach (Expos/Nats), Dwight Evans, Dave Parker, Steve Garvey, Yes good video.
The ones I would change:
SF - Bonds
BOS - Clemens
NYM - Wright
CLE - Manny Ramirez
Jack P u literally put all steroids guys and Wright hasn’t been on the ballot yet to be rejected or anything yet anyway so u can’t say him
They're still on the ballot
Humm Baby Baseball ⚾️okay there’s no point in putting obviously choices in a video. It’s nice to put out other people in their careers then the obvious folks...
Did you not listen a single thing he said at the beginning
joey miller David Wright has no chance at making the hall of fame and steroids or not the guys I mentioned are hall of gamers
I’d go Todd Helton over galaraga for the Rockies
Helton should be a HoF. It's outrageous.
He said he wouldn’t use players on the ballot
@@donnybailey2453 ah mb
Love to see Helton in at one point, but gotta give props to Galaraga
He’s still on the ballot
Dwight Evans did NOT play his whole career with the Red Sox. His final season was 1991 with Baltimore.
I said the same thing out loud when I watched this. lol
So. Maybe Tony Armas can replaced him ?
John Maker h
Greenwell should be it instead of Dewey
Fun fact about Tim Salmon, he was never an all star
Really? Fun fact
I'm shocked. I'm the biggest Tim Salmon fan and I did not realize that.
Dick Allen used a 35 inch 40 ounce bat his entire career honestly a legend.
Oh, so a tree! That's crazy!
Yes" These are better than average players...they are all All-Stars but sad they were not elected in.
Great Video Marc!!
Cardinals I think it should be Willie McGee
I agree. I really like Jimmy Ballgame but he was not a career Cardinal. While we got Willie from the Yanks, he did spend the majority of his career as a Cardinal.
Dwight played his final season with Baltimore
I need someone to explain exactly why Dale Murphy, a 2x MVP isn't in the Hall of Fame
7:32 He played 19 seasons with Boston and 1 with Baltimore
Fred Lynn too...All Star
Really undersold dwight Evans defensively, its maddening hes not in
Hello Marc, who do you think will win the subway series this year and how many games to how many games?
Depends on the pitching matchups but prolly the Yankees
Bruh Mets ain’t making the playoffs
@@danreichardt4369 that is not relevant to this conversation
Dan Reichardt he’s talking about the regular season. They play each other 4 times
Augusto Osorio mets
For the Yankees, Don Mattingly is long overdue. For the Blue Jays, it Joe Carter.
First and foremost, great job. You always put a lot of time and effort into your videos and it's evident. Fantastic content bro. Anyway, I have to disagree with you on just two of your picks. Gallaraga (Colorado) and Buhner (Seattle). Both great picks for sure but for me, it's Todd Helton for Colorado and Ichiro for Seattle.
Ichiro isn't eligible yet. He just retired last year.
Bobby Bonds ... not the Bonds everyone else knows but the Senior. He was making noise in his era and his records show he had pop.
Yeah but for what team? He played for just about everybody.
1:00 I grew up in Gil Hodges hometown and we have a painting on the side of a building with his stats. We think he should be in the hall
Plus you named a bridge after him!
Galarraga was a beast offensively and defensively. A very smart player. He did have a horrible slump for a few years after leaving Montreal, and although he did have a 3 to 4 year slump after leaving Montreal, he bounced back nicely. He is the one guy who would take over games when his number was called up with men on base. A strong candidate for the hall, if they ever truly gave guys a second look.
Fred McGriff was just super consistent, and like Galarraga, always a class act. He needs to be in the hall.
Delgado is a hall of famer, as he was one of the greats of his generation. It is most likely that his political stance against the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, as well as, the use of Vieques (PR) for weapons' testing. Delgado was great, and should be in the hall, as politics should not be a barrier for anyone to be in the hall.
If Dale Murphy can't be in the HOF with 398 home runs then neither can Galarraga with his 399 HR. Murphy was also a better overall player and Galarraga struck out far too much.
Sadly, Dwight Evans played his last season for the Orioles. He was one of the best defensive outfielders of his generation (in one of the most difficult right fields in MLB) and during the second half of his career one of the best hitters in the game.
You're about right for the Brewers. Few guys with more career HRs (Burnitz, Sexson), but Cecil Cooper was a far more complete player. I grew up with the Brewers teams of the '90s so I'm very familiar with how much talent they didn't ever have. Those Wendy Selig years were effing ROUGH man...
You should’ve went garret anderson for the angels
100% agree I was going to comment this.
Bobby Grich
I feel like it was a toss up between both Salmon and GA. Possibly even Troy Glauss?
@@Harmaxium troy glaus was good, but honestly he should have went with Esmonds for the angels and McGwire for the cardinals
Bobby Grich is the only correct answer for the angels.
Marc, one of your best videos. Love it
Impossible to argue with Delgado, but an honorable mention for Dave Stieb.
There’s something going on with Mcgriff, you never hear him talked about on TV, you never hear about him online, there’s something funny about him.
you forgot Dave Conception ss Reds I know I misspelled his last name.
I heard somewhere that ozzie smith while on the veteran committee, keeps concepcion out of the hall of fame because smith believes he got screwed out of the 1979 gold glove by concepcion.
Travis Webb Good Choice Dave Concepcion was a slick fielding shortstop.
Vada Pinson from The Reds too.
@@robertsaul234 I said that! I research baseball and had to recheck. 11 years with the club, over 2500 career hits.
Most definitely! I know Pete Rose may have been better overall, but Dave Concepción is Hall Of Fame worthy.
Norm Cash and Bill Freehan were also pretty good hitters in a tough era. Freehan played a long time and was a top hitter and backstop; Cash is second on the Tiger list with 373 HR, again, in a tough era.
Angels: Bobby Grich
The Real Doey Yes, that's the man. Bob Grich was great. Slick infielder and a slugger in the clutch.
I worked with someone who was his plumber for quite some time. He said Bobby grinch was a great guy who wasnt stingy.
Great video! You rock Marc! I agree with the entire lineup!!! 💯
Kevin Brown for the Marlins... he has the same career WAR as Roy Halladay
LoowheezeBreeze he actually has a higher war but the thing about him buying the human growth pills gonna hurt him
Your right about Lolich I believe when he retired he had the most career k's for a lefthanded pitcher since broken and 1968 World Series last game he out pitched Bob Gibson which was unbelievable back then
Cubs - Mark Grace
steamygrave came to the comments to post this.
agreed
Grace is a good choice but I'd go with Sosa. He along with Bonds, Clemens and the rest of the "asterisk crew" will get in eventually.
Overall, a very good list. However, I have a few differences:
Mets: Keith Hernandez
Indians: Kenny Lofton, Omar Vizquel (Belle is a good choice too, though)
Braves: Andruw Jones (but I understand why you went with Murphy)
Orioles: Rafael Palmeiro, Bobby Grich
DBacks: Curt Schilling
Yankees: Don Mattingly
Rockies: Todd Helton (again, I can see your reasoning for choosing Galarraga)
Andruw Jones was so fun to watch play & of course Murphy, they should be in
for halos, it's grich.
heyfreshy Bob Grich played hard and had quick hands, good fielder and hitter.
Grich spent more time in California, but his best stretch was with the Orioles.
I think the right choice for the Nats was an expo named Jeff Reardon who is their saves leader and was the Major League Baseball saves leader for a time until his record was broken but very underrated
Rockies: Todd Helton. Okay it is only a matter of time before he gets in.
Good list. So many fans here in Detroit think that Sweet Lou has been robbed, but he didn't quite get HOF numbers.
I'm trying to decide if "He averaged ____ every single season" is redundant, logically impossible, or both.
What about Vida Blue for the A's?
Numbers aren't good enough.
better than Sal Bando
Tommy John should have been in the hall of fame long ago... 289 wins and a surgery named after him that has saved the careers of many pitchers.. slam dunk
For the Mets, I would have gone with Doc Gooden.
As for Seattle: John Olerud, perhaps? He didn't play for them for very long, but he was pretty good.
Really needed his tall frame in 2000. Ordonez sure as hell forgot that zeil isn't olerud.
Seattle is clearly Ichiro now that he’s no longer playing, but he’s obviously going to go in the hof. Olerud, on the other hand, I’d put on the jays behind Delgado.
Seattle:
1-Ichiro
2-Jay Buhner
3-Alvin Davis
4-Olerud
5-Harold Reynolds
@@morningstaralan Ichiro will be in the hall of fame, he's not eligible for this list, it takes about 4-6 years to get into the hall
John Olerud could've been a choice for the Blue Jays as well... Great choice...
Thank you for bringing up Albert Belle! Nobody ever talks about him. It annoys me so much that players like Koufax get a pass for having their careers end early by injury but not Albert Belle. If Albert Belle wasn’t forced to retire early I think he could have gone down as one of the greatest hitters of all time (plus he didn’t even do steroids).
The media disliked Albert Belle because he wouldn't conform to what their agenda was during his time in Cleveland and Baltimore
I'm OK with Albert Belle not in the HoF. He was a pretty good hitter, but his WAR totals weren't great because he played during the onset of the steroid era so he couldn't distance himself from the field. I'd rather see Kenny Lofton in the Hall than Belle.
But what is absolutely true is that the 1995 AL MVP voting was a joke. There was absolutely no good reason to vote for Mo Vaughn ahead of Albert Belle. Belle was better in about every conceivable way, plus you couldn't even make a team success argument since Cleveland was an incredible 100-44.
@@mrmacross that's true. But I still think he should make it cause before injury he had one of the greatest peaks of all time. I think we can both agree though that Johan was absolutely robbed. If AL Cy Young voters weren't stupid in 2005 and gave Johan the Cy Young he deserved, we'd be looking at a player with 3 straight Cy Young's. Pretty hard to deny a guy who 3-peated the Cy Young award from entering in the Hall of Fame, even if his peak wasn't long cause of injury.
@@elijahjones2763 Oh yeah, Santana was hosed. But it was still the pre-sabermetric era of voting, so Colon's 21 wins stuck out to voters, and the Angels won their division.
Should Santana be in the Hall? I think you could make an argument for him. He's kind of like a less-extreme version of Sandy Koufax, but similar in terms of career length and length of peak. Koufax was more dominant, but Santana was the best pitcher in baseball for three straight years. I don't think it's terrible that he didn't get voted in, but it's fair to point out he has more career WAR than Koufax in fewer IP.
I honestly would have put Steve Rogers or Tim Wallach for the Nats/Expos
Yeet Flexer Over one year of Soriano? Yes
Great video! You've clearly done your homework! Just as interesting as the names you mentioned are those not mentioned!
Thanks for posting this!
What about Maury Wills for the Dodgers?
And Garvey
Over Garvey? Wills is a worthy pick , but he wouldnt be mine..
Teddy Greene Newk.
Fernando Valenzuela that is all
Great list, only one I’d really quibble with is the Cleveland Indians. I’d say Kenny Lofton and his 68.3 WAR is a better candidate than Belle and his 40.3 WAR. Rose and Jackson should be in the HOF and while all these players were very good not one of them is a HOFer to me.
Bobby Grich should've been the choice for the Angels.
Yeah I agree
Glad to see the Dick Allen push. He no doubt needs to be voted in by the Veteran's Committee
Al Oliver belongs in the Hall
Dwight Evans did not play his entire career in Boston. He finished his career in Baltimore in 1991
Love the Bone pick! The only player I MIGHT swap him for would be Jamie Moyer.
Jamie Moyer is someone who should be in he was crazy 1986-2013
My though was Alvin Davis or John Olerud, no clear answer though I feel like.
@@jackpearce3096 Alive Davis is a great pick too. Olerud is tough for me to go with because he spent so few years with the Ms, and those weren't his best (but still good). But yeah as a player Olerud is a great choice too.
For The Yankees I would go with Roger Marris. Yeah the dude who broke Babe Ruth’s single season home run record without using steroids isn’t in the Hall Of Fame.
Al Oliver should be in there for one of the teams he played for. Rangers ?
Don't forget that Albert Belle has the only 50-homer, 50-double season in MLB history, in a strike-shortened year no less.
KEITH HERNANDEZ?!
True Blue5 uh hell no
I despise him... lol
keith 100 percent should be in hof. 11 gold gloves, an mvp, world series champion. literally one of the best defensive players ever.
Ben Goldstein maybe if he played a different position other then 1st. He don’t have good stats for a typical first basemen since all he did is hit weak singles and a couple doubles. Your acting like 1st base is hard to play.... worlds series means nothing since that’s a team effort and he definitely didn’t win World Series MVP anyway.
@@joeymiller2725 that might've been the worst rebuttal and diminishment of someones accomplishments i've ever read. I genuinely don't even think it's worth debating you.
Dave Stieb is another Blue Jay that should be in the hall of fame.
Mark Grace for the Cubs? Spent a lot more of his career in Chicago over Derrick Lee and played the same position.
And didn't cost as much too.
I read somewhere (or made up the stat myself) that Grace led the Majors in total doubles over the 90s.
@@phathead41 I thought the same thing. I cannot believe he did not receive any consideration. Probably because he wasn't a power hitting first basemen like the rest of the league had during the steroid era.
I noticed that you didn't include Ichiro Suzuki for the Mariners because everyone already knows that he's 1st ballot 1st year and maybe even unanimous vote into the Hall of Fame.
superQuizzie only way he’s not first ballot is if they found out he was also placing bets on games
Steve Garvey should've been for the dodgers
Dude had 6 seasons of 200+ hits
Wait Garvey isn't in the hall?
This makes zero sense Steve Garvey was the face of mlb back then and he played in 1300 straight games played a season with no errors. And he had arms like popeye before juice
Garvey should be in the hall . . . but his choice of Hodges was the correct one for the Dodgers. Gil Hodges has been one of, if not the biggest snub of the Hall of Fame for 50+ years. When he retired, he was 6th all time in HR by a right-handed batter and was voted by sportswriters as the best defensive 1B EVER up to that point (The video mentions that he won 3 gold gloves, but that's only because gold gloves weren't awarded until 1957. Hodges' last year as a starter was 1959. Even in his twilight as a player, he won the first 3 gold gloves ever given to a 1B.)
boiledegg boi Steve Garvey married one of the most beautiful women on the planet. That should be enough.
Derek Lee?! Derek Lee. For the Cubs. Are you drunk?! Ever hear of MARK GRACE?!
Hopefully the commissioner surprises everyone and reinstates Joe Jackson at the Field of Dreams game this coming summer.
After all, it was a lifetime ban...and he's long dead. Man didn't play like he was throwing the series.
@@robertsaul234 I know right. The man had 12 hits and 100% fielding percentage in the series. Plus he was found not guilty in a court of law.
Great list. Possible good arguments are Lolich in Detroit, Conception in Cinncy since Rose is only out bc of gambling Minoso for the Sox bc Jackson should be a HOFer, Luis giant for the Red Sox, willie Wilson for the Royals. Since in my mind Hodges should be in, Hershiser takes his spot maybe. Regardless, awesome list. Makes you remember the other greats.