This is a fantastic example of what Home Theater is about. The experience and the journey! Love your room Rusty. Fantastic job brother. Great job on the video Jordan. I'm looking forward to hanging out with both of you at MWAVE 2024.
A very nice room and great to see the enthusiasm for HT from both of you. I would have liked to seen the whole room with the screen in place. Felt like we either saw the back wall or the front speakers, but missed the whole room view. Over all great HT video. Thanks for sharing your room with us!
I was lucky enough to get to experience this theater and it is incredible! The JTR speakers are unbelievably clean even at reference volume where other speakers (mine included) fall apart.
WOOOOOOOAAAAAH! What does it even sound like in there?!? Lol I have 2 18" Ultimax in GSG martycubes and the bass is absolutely incredible. I seriously can't imagine the bass in that house! How do the mids and highs sound? Lol can you even really hear anything other than the bass?
My room is pretty narrow too. Only 12 feet wide. And I sit only 8 feet fron the front stage, so no need for wides. The phantom in that zone is pretty strong. But at 20 foot long, I put 6 heights in my room. Sounds amazing.
Nice setup! No doubt the tactile must be crazy with near field and Crowson MAs. But how do you solve the room mode and decay? care to share your REW spectrogram?
Rusty, a couple things to try, if you haven't already. 1) Your surrounds are positioned to blast people right in the ear, since they are so close. Try raising those up about a foot. You can play with the height. Just enough so that you aren't aware of where the speakers are. 2) Try swapping the positions of the LRs and RS2s, so the LRs are wide and the RS2s are a 1/4 positions. It's fine to turn the RS2s sideways, if necessary. Then aim the LRs so that they point a little in front of the MLP. Add just enough extra toe-in so that the phantom image is centered from your main 2 seats. Look up "time-intensity trading." With the right positioning, you should have a bigger soundstage and a bigger sweet spot. Make sure you have all the side synth and upmixing disabled while tuning the toe-in. This isn't a right/wrong issue, so nothing wrong with switching back if you prefer that setup.
Great observations! 1) They are about a foot above ear level. When reclined, the surrounds are even further away and forward of your ears so while the distance isn't ideal, it hasn't been a problem. 2) I've tried the subs in those positions and measured with REW. I expected the plots to show the 1/4 3/4 positions as optimal, but the FR looked best in the current positions. I'm far from a calibration expert; maybe you could take a look at the data? I crossed the LRs a few weeks ago and you're right, it made a surprisingly significant improvement in soundstage for all four seats. I'll look up time-intensity trading.
@@rmensch great! It's hard to tell the speaker depth in the video, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it! It's impossible to predict the bass response in someone else's room, so measuring is the way to go. With bass measurements, the main concern is dips and nulls. Peaks are well managed by EQ. With LRs, the only benefit of wider placement is a bigger soundstage. That's also what wide synth is for, but you might like a big soundstage without wide synth. Subjective territory. IMO, wide placement helps with narrow dispersion speakers.
.8 LFE? Can you help explain how you got 8 LFE discrete channels from 1 mono LFE channel? To help remind you, the LFE, Low Frequency Effects channel is "MONO", hence 1 channel output. I understand that multiple subwoofers can be used (i currently have 4 subwoofers), but there is only 1 LFE signal being output to however many subwoofers in mono to each subwoofer. So, 9.1.4 w/8 subwoofers is what the reality is.
Question please: is this system really a 9.3.4 setup or are you implementing some other form of Bass management in order to gain the 8 independent channels of bass control? If YES, what might that be? If NO, then what is the setup of the 3 Bass channels within the Monoprice? - possibly Front left + Front right + Rears -OR- possibly 2 Bass channels as Front + Rear -OR- Other? Thank you!
We discussed this a bit at the 34 min mark. In the HTP-1, 2 channels are for the two front subs. A third sub channel (which is an exact copy of the first sub channel due to a Dirac limitation) feeds a miniDSP 2x4 HD. I’m using 3 outputs on the mDSP: 1 for all four near field subs, 1 for Crowson motion actuators and 1 for shakers. Each of those channels are independently EQ’ed. Soon I’m going to experiment with using REW MSO through the mDSP before Dirac and evaluate if it performs better/worse.
@@rmensch Wonderful Thank you! I suspect that there are many like me (and you) that are rocking 'only' 16 channel processors and therefore need to come up with Setups /Implementations / Solutions for the lack of 'only' having 3 fully independent Subwoofer channels (Volume, Distance and Phase). Thank you for sharing! Ps. I suppose if someone decides to forgo Wides in their setup they would actually have 5 independent Subwoofer channels, which is likely enough channels for a killer Bass implementation. I on the other hand do wish to have/keep my Wides... and therefore other creative solutions I have been playing around with.
Great Video Question is his Theater room on the 1st floor or 2nd floor? And you didn't show his screen. But Great Job keep doing what you do buddy..Finally someone in Texas with JTR..Love everything about Rusty room..
Love how people can throw $50,000 at a dedicated home cinema and still not have One person in the right spot for viewing, everyone is watching off centre...at least with a odd number of seats, at least one will have the sweet spot for viewing...
He’s got a family. So obviously his priorities are not just for himself. Since I was actually there and sat in the room I can say it sounded amazing even if it was “off centered”. Dude is a family man.
@@hatoraidcowboyThe Key word is Family... There's an important distinction between a " cinema at home" and a home cinema... A home cinema is a place where you can cuddle up as a family and watch a film, dog and all, on a lovely large sofa with fireplace roaring ... A cinema at home on the other hand, is just to formal and cold for me...
@Echo-jg8is That’s your point of view and that’s fine. Not the way I look at it…..But to each his own. The point of the tour was to share his experience and journey. Let’s celebrate that.
Probably right. Interesting. So I guess he’s implying I should not tour any home theaters ever over a certain price point or make content in a certain price range to appease the masses? No thanks lol Funny because the next tour, actually the next two are very budget friendly. Oh well 🤷♂️
What’s your favorite part of Rusty’s 9.8.4 JTR Home Theater?
Love the jtr front stage
Yes
This is a fantastic example of what Home Theater is about. The experience and the journey! Love your room Rusty. Fantastic job brother. Great job on the video Jordan. I'm looking forward to hanging out with both of you at MWAVE 2024.
Thanks Michael! Looking forward to MWAVE 2024 as well!
Wow. JTR. Kscape. MadVR.
Gear list is off the chart. What a space.
A very nice room and great to see the enthusiasm for HT from both of you. I would have liked to seen the whole room with the screen in place. Felt like we either saw the back wall or the front speakers, but missed the whole room view. Over all great HT video. Thanks for sharing your room with us!
Mwave changing lives year after year! Nice coverage hatoraidcowboy!
Thanks man!
This is the joy of home theater. The joy it brings to share with others. 👍🏼👍🏼
Yessir!
Awesome room! You can tell Rusty is a humble, down to earth guy. I agree with him, not all wives are anti-home theater. 😄
Hey guys , great video 👍🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊, I enjoyed it
Thanks Scott!
I was lucky enough to get to experience this theater and it is incredible! The JTR speakers are unbelievably clean even at reference volume where other speakers (mine included) fall apart.
GREAT interview! You are a natural at it.
Thank you!
Good tour video. Keep up the good work
Thank you!
WOOOOOOOAAAAAH! What does it even sound like in there?!? Lol I have 2 18" Ultimax in GSG martycubes and the bass is absolutely incredible. I seriously can't imagine the bass in that house! How do the mids and highs sound? Lol can you even really hear anything other than the bass?
486-DX2 Man! 😂 That brings some memories. Awesome theater.
Really enjoyed this J!
Thanks Doyle!
Good interview and discussion. Would like to have had a tour/panning of the entire room.
Well done video. Could you include more b-roll in the future? Shots of the entire room, etc.
Thank you! Yea that’s my bad….I forgot to get a lot of broll in Dusty’s room and only had a few hours right before I went back home.
Amazing tour, I still need to get out there some time Rusty. The room came out amazing!
Great tour! Lots of good information. Thanks for sharing your home theater and your journey thus far!
That's a really nice setup great job!
Thank you!
Awesome theater! JTR has killer performance!
Very nice interview and system.
Thank you!
That was an interesting one. Thanks!
Thanks and you’re welcome!
My room is pretty narrow too. Only 12 feet wide. And I sit only 8 feet fron the front stage, so no need for wides. The phantom in that zone is pretty strong.
But at 20 foot long, I put 6 heights in my room. Sounds amazing.
Good god, holy moly! Nice system!
Wow love your theatre rusty
Nice setup! No doubt the tactile must be crazy with near field and Crowson MAs. But how do you solve the room mode and decay? care to share your REW spectrogram?
Rusty, a couple things to try, if you haven't already.
1) Your surrounds are positioned to blast people right in the ear, since they are so close. Try raising those up about a foot. You can play with the height. Just enough so that you aren't aware of where the speakers are.
2) Try swapping the positions of the LRs and RS2s, so the LRs are wide and the RS2s are a 1/4 positions. It's fine to turn the RS2s sideways, if necessary. Then aim the LRs so that they point a little in front of the MLP. Add just enough extra toe-in so that the phantom image is centered from your main 2 seats. Look up "time-intensity trading." With the right positioning, you should have a bigger soundstage and a bigger sweet spot. Make sure you have all the side synth and upmixing disabled while tuning the toe-in. This isn't a right/wrong issue, so nothing wrong with switching back if you prefer that setup.
Great observations!
1) They are about a foot above ear level. When reclined, the surrounds are even further away and forward of your ears so while the distance isn't ideal, it hasn't been a problem.
2) I've tried the subs in those positions and measured with REW. I expected the plots to show the 1/4 3/4 positions as optimal, but the FR looked best in the current positions. I'm far from a calibration expert; maybe you could take a look at the data? I crossed the LRs a few weeks ago and you're right, it made a surprisingly significant improvement in soundstage for all four seats. I'll look up time-intensity trading.
@@rmensch great! It's hard to tell the speaker depth in the video, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it! It's impossible to predict the bass response in someone else's room, so measuring is the way to go. With bass measurements, the main concern is dips and nulls. Peaks are well managed by EQ. With LRs, the only benefit of wider placement is a bigger soundstage. That's also what wide synth is for, but you might like a big soundstage without wide synth. Subjective territory. IMO, wide placement helps with narrow dispersion speakers.
Great video! Thanks to both of you. Love the room.
Thank you Andy!
.8 LFE? Can you help explain how you got 8 LFE discrete channels from 1 mono LFE channel? To help remind you, the LFE, Low Frequency Effects channel is "MONO", hence 1 channel output. I understand that multiple subwoofers can be used (i currently have 4 subwoofers), but there is only 1 LFE signal being output to however many subwoofers in mono to each subwoofer. So, 9.1.4 w/8 subwoofers is what the reality is.
Hi, well done Rusty great theater! enjoyed this video.
Thank you!
love it
Any update info on what Rusty spoke regarding this tool for enthusiasts?
Not yet….I need to check with him. Thanks for the reminder
Viewing distance?
I believe he said 11ft
Question please: is this system really a 9.3.4 setup or are you implementing some other form of Bass management in order to gain the 8 independent channels of bass control? If YES, what might that be? If NO, then what is the setup of the 3 Bass channels within the Monoprice? - possibly Front left + Front right + Rears -OR- possibly 2 Bass channels as Front + Rear -OR- Other? Thank you!
We discussed this a bit at the 34 min mark. In the HTP-1, 2 channels are for the two front subs. A third sub channel (which is an exact copy of the first sub channel due to a Dirac limitation) feeds a miniDSP 2x4 HD. I’m using 3 outputs on the mDSP: 1 for all four near field subs, 1 for Crowson motion actuators and 1 for shakers. Each of those channels are independently EQ’ed.
Soon I’m going to experiment with using REW MSO through the mDSP before Dirac and evaluate if it performs better/worse.
@@rmensch Wonderful Thank you! I suspect that there are many like me (and you) that are rocking 'only' 16 channel processors and therefore need to come up with Setups /Implementations / Solutions for the lack of 'only' having 3 fully independent Subwoofer channels (Volume, Distance and Phase). Thank you for sharing! Ps. I suppose if someone decides to forgo Wides in their setup they would actually have 5 independent Subwoofer channels, which is likely enough channels for a killer Bass implementation. I on the other hand do wish to have/keep my Wides... and therefore other creative solutions I have been playing around with.
The fact that it's (seems to be) absolutely over the top ^_^
Oh it is. LOL But it’s great 😁
Great Video Question is his Theater room on the 1st floor or 2nd floor? And you didn't show his screen. But Great Job keep doing what you do buddy..Finally someone in Texas with JTR..Love everything about Rusty room..
Thanks Johnny! His room is on the first floor. And yea….I forgot to show the screen lol It was a very busy 3 days lol
@@hatoraidcowboy I just appreciate what you do for the Home Theater community thanks and keep up the great work buddy..
Man….That means a lot. I appreciate the kind words.
does rusty have a TH-cam channel?
He doesnt
Hi :)
Are you going to do the with and without the wide ? i would love to hear that.
Thank you :)
Beautiful system!
I 100% agree!
Kscape is great but you can’t get Criterion titles.
That's a lot of $$$ there.
Very long video with lots of nice toys, but could definitely use some chapters.
The KC guy's are going to lose their Sh*t over this theater 😂, I bet it slams.
It does!
You might need some earplugs with a home theater system like that, LOL!
What’s the dimensions of the room?
I dont remember off the top of my head but he stated it in the video
18.5 x 14ft. 10-11ft ceiling. Sitting 11ft from 11ft wide screen.
Thanks!
I will stick with my Panasonic UB-9000.
There's 50 grand easily
Love how people can throw $50,000 at a dedicated home cinema and still not have One person in the right spot for viewing, everyone is watching off centre...at least with a odd number of seats, at least one will have the sweet spot for viewing...
He’s got a family. So obviously his priorities are not just for himself. Since I was actually there and sat in the room I can say it sounded amazing even if it was “off centered”. Dude is a family man.
@@hatoraidcowboyThe Key word is Family... There's an important distinction between a " cinema at home" and a home cinema... A home cinema is a place where you can cuddle up as a family and watch a film, dog and all, on a lovely large sofa with fireplace roaring ... A cinema at home on the other hand, is just to formal and cold for me...
@Echo-jg8is That’s your point of view and that’s fine. Not the way I look at it…..But to each his own. The point of the tour was to share his experience and journey. Let’s celebrate that.
Overkill for the space.
Not at all. Sounded incredible
Sorry, bruv. You left my price point a while back and it doesn’t appear you’ll be returning anytime soon. I’m unsubscribed.
I dont know what this means.
@@hatoraidcowboysounds like butthurt.
Probably right. Interesting. So I guess he’s implying I should not tour any home theaters ever over a certain price point or make content in a certain price range to appease the masses? No thanks lol Funny because the next tour, actually the next two are very budget friendly. Oh well 🤷♂️
Don't let the door hit u on yhe way out. Eay peasy