Sounds like big Clive all right. You know he's always tasting things to am I right? Not to mention expired food taste tests. And God only knows what else that would affect his health in negative ways. Big climb any thoughts on why you actually do that or anyone have any serious please comment below.
A friend of my brother, when he was young, learned that vegetables are healthy for you. He also learned that things that are green tend to be vegetables. So he ended up putting two and two together and eating all the green felt off the bottom of a chess set. He suffered through it because well vegetables normally taste bad, right? The green felt on the bottom of this thing reminded me of that story.
I remember seeing a video where they talked about the ladies who painted radium on watch hands. They'd lick the brushes so the bristles would stick together. Then they mysteriously developed mouth/throat cancer...
Letters to Fuckface Get a good snake oil seller and youve got a business. Theres literally people selling tap water as magic remedies, so i dont see why you couldnt sell toilet water too. Theres already people selling bath water now that i think about it. Water sales are a serious money maker.
I had one of these units from new in the 70s. It came with a a small PCB on which was mounted a neon bulb, it functioned similar to a neon mains testing screw driver. This was use to confirm the unit was working. After the ioniser had been running for a few minutes it was possible to detect the Corona discharge at several centimetres from the pins. I did not use the ioniser for very long before I noticed that it was charging the dust in the air and sticking it to the room walls, which were slowly going black. The exception being clean strips at the corners, where the potential gradient due to inverse point discharge kept the dust from being attracted. Another interesting effect was that the ioniser was able to produce a cloud of charged air, which would waft past the touch activated dimmer light switch on the opposite side of the room, randomly turning it off and on and dimming the room light.. It was possible to show that the action was the result of a charged cloud of air, by actively fanning the cloud past the wall mounted switch, turning the light on and off in a semi controlled fashion. A junction FET (J310) connected to an analogue multimeter allowed the resulting electric field in the room to be tracked and mapped. About the time this ioniser was made, it was popular to have fan dust extractors, a common example of the time was made by Breville, these consisted of a unit fitted with an activated carbon cartridge made of carbon foam sandwiched between glass wool. The cartridge was mounted under a small electric fan. The fan sucked room air through the cartridge returning the cleaned air to the room. I did a few experiments mounting my ioniser close to the air intake of such a dust filter. To improve the performance of both and solve the problem of charged dust being stuck to the walls. This worked rather well, I have often wondered why such a combination was never commercialised. While the claimed benefits of adding negative ions to the air are a little dubious, there are clear benefit to effectively removing dust, pollen and bacteria from a rooms air. A filter made with activated carbon sputtered with copper or silver has the potential to kill harmful bacteria in the air if they can be trapped on the filter. Even a grounded copper mesh would perform this function if the air was pre ioniser before filtering. Such a filter would also be easy to clean, unlike those in the Breville air filter, which required regular replacement. This I suspect was the downfall of the concept, as regular replacement of the cartridges proved too expensive for the average consumer.
@@Wheel333 I once proposed a home air condition system that made use of disused house chimneys as a port to vent and exchange home air at roof top level. The idea was simple, run a coaxial pipe up the flue from a reversable electric heat pump, heat exchanger in the fire place. At roof top level air separation was to be achieved using the temperature differential between the two air flows, with hot air discharged above the cold. It was proposed that this system used an ioniser and metal mesh filters to clean the air, the advantage being that the filters would be easy to clean and not require expensive replacements. Now there is a requirement to phase out open hearth coal fires, to reduce carbon emissions, maybe the idea will find an application in retro fitting heating and air conditioning to older homes.
@@bigclivedotcom was that the pyramid shaped unit? As far as I can tell the best solution is to discharge the ion stream on a metal filter, as the advantage of breathing negatively charged air is questionable, but removing dust, pollen , etc is obvious. As far as I am aware, the Dyson air cleaner uses filters that must be replaced. The attraction of using ioniser air is that the dust is easy to collect on filters that are easy to clean. What was impressive was the speed with which the wall were blackened by the dust removed from the air, suggesting it really works as an air cleaner. I did consider putting together a box with a fan and ioniser inside. Sucking the air through such a box solves the problem of keeping the fan clean. One solution is to make the container out of large diameter uPVC drain pipe, arranged in a U shape. Ions being injected at the pipe inlet and a filter and fan fitted in the outlet. The filter might be made from loose bundle of earthed steal or copper wool.
2:30 The device that infused your water with radiation was called a Radium Ore Revigorator. It contained more uranium than radium, and was really not a good idea for preparing drinks.
Out of curiosity I bought one of the pendants Justin was showing just so I could waft my own geiger counter at it and see for myself - what I wasn't expecting is the "authenticity card" that came in the box was *also* radioactive. Presumably they'd made it from the same material for...authenticity reasons? Amusingly because of the card's surface area it'd be somewhat more effective at blasting your skin with "ions" than the pendant would be, if indeed your goal was to give yourself skin cancer.
@@Chlorate299 That is truly horrifying then. As, a mistake, no matter how bad is a mistake. But someone choosing to be a fool.. that is deadly multiplied!
@@beware_the_moose "Hot" is a relative term I suppose my geiger counter peaks out at around 2 microsieverts per hour when held against the card, which isn't particularly hazardous however it is way higher than natural sources. This is also when measured with an SBM-20 tube too, so can only detect beta and gamma radiation. This stuff is apparently doped with Thorium oxide so should be giving off more alpha than anything.
My grandma used to have an ioniser in her house, it used to fascinate me as a child. I'd often touch the needles and draw a tiny blue arc to my finger. I had no idea what it was or how it worked but the arc didn't hurt at all, infact I don't remember even being able to feel it. I do remember the smell of ozone around it though.
I remember designing and building one of these, very similar to this, in the day. My elder daughter, who was very young then, had a proclivity to have asthma attacks. I left it running in her bedroom, well out of her reach. I used long sharp iron needles as the output prods. I remember using a step up transformer that I had salvaged from a different piece of defunct equipment. I used a large ABS plastic project box, some 1N4007 diodes and high voltage caps. It did not cost me very much. It was about the same size as the one Big Clive took apart. It worked very well. I wonder what happened to it? I remember now - the needles rusted, my daughter was older and had less attacks and I threw it out.
I've built myself a voltage multiplier ionizer with 32 capacitor and diodes, it got really long so I've heatshrunk it up and one of the capacitor pins near the end of the chain somehow break through the heatshrink and arc directly to my hand while I'm moving the thing around while plugged in, I could even see the bright spark and a taser popping sound, quite a shocking experience
I'm no expert, but wouldn't you want more than just heat-shrink tubing - or more than just a single layer of it, at least - when dealing with voltages that high to ground? (And not just to guard against punctures like this!) I seem to recall Clive once mentioning getting burns through an insulated cable when working/playing with a neon transformer (perhaps his F.A.R.T.; perhaps mentioned in the Lichtenberg wood-burning video?), or was that caused by/did that require a high-frequency component?
@@AndrewGillard yeah, I was lazy so I only did 1 layer of heatshrink, I did poured molten wax down tube after it has been shrink to prevent it arcing internally, this is not high frequency but just a capacitor voltage multiplier with mains frequency around 50Hz
@@pierreuntel1970 Most heatshrink claims to be rated for around 600V. So yes, even with more than one layer it can still break through. You should definitely use something else to insulate high voltage devices. (like thick plastic)
@@Basement-Science Epoxy or Polyester resin works quite well. The later one can build up some charge if used to insulate HV DC. At least the one I used once did.
Veritassium did a video about ionisers and came to the conclusion that they produce some amount of toxic ozone. I used to have one on my desk and people DID seem to like hanging around there.
Didn't he also find that rare expensive type of crystal that emits some level of ions and no radiation or am I thinking of another video? First he tests those salt lamp things and they produced nothing measurable. They are nice to have even if they create ozone you can at least save them for when an area is smelly and then run it in that area while you aren't in there, just like mechanics do to clean the smoke smell out of smoker's cars.
@@madmanmapper The scientist who tested Derek's ioniser for ozone made a big hoo-ha about the emissions... switched it off and ran away and all that. But Veritassium is a big millions-of-viewer channel and so may lean a bit unnecessarily towards the drama.... And just because you've got a research-chemist checking your appliance for emissions that's no assurance that they're not a huge drama-queen either I suppose.
@@El_Chompo The only rare and expensive crystals that emit ions that I can think of are stuff like Uraninite ;) ions from crystals with no radiation... nope can't see that meself! If there's a geologist in the house who fancies calling me a plonker... do feel free.
@@edgeeffect Well you got me curious so I went and found the video in question: th-cam.com/video/ZQ--scjcAZ4/w-d-xo.html the mineral is called Turmaline and supposedly when heated it emits ions
Great. add that to this American product and you've got an instant cancer triple pack-> Asbestos cigarette filters were produced by Hollinsworth & Vose Company, also called H&V Specialties, for Lorillard Tobacco Company's “Kent Micronite” brand cigarettes. Lorillard abandoned the asbestos filter design in 1956, but by then, nearly 11.7 billion asbestos-containing Kent Micronite cigarettes had been sold in the United States.
@@anxiousmerchant4129 I meant to add the toothpaste radioactive element to the cigarettes mentioned above. (joke) & while I'm thinking of crazy ideas company's have had, google 'ford nucleon' ;0
My father used to design pcb's for gas chromatography machines, they had a room with a few of them. So he "borrowed" one for me as I was asthmatic and gave me a little light on a stick, as a child it was like magic.Anywhere in the room it would flash and the further away the longer time between pulses .....wireless power in the 80's was magic to me anyways. And also as a trek fan along with my dad it was like having a bit of the ship in my room, it was a round device with 8 needles and an upper and lower plate of grey plastic with a clear acrylic cylinder holding them up and it had a light under an acrylic tube with all the wires coming out , thing looked like something straight out of sickbay. But every day the plates would be covered in dust and it drastically helped my chest from day one.
Indeed, it seems that as we age, the noxious effects multiply, much like the cap/diode combo. I released a bit the other day and the 2 cats that were on my lap gave me a really nasty look before running for the kitchen and some welcome relief in the wondrous smell of bacon frying in the pan, and my wonderful wife of 50 years, the perfume of life indeed.
@@JerryEricsson I made some wonderful pasta with sausage, broccoli, portabellas with a garlic cheese sauce. Even my pee filled the air with a garlicy bouquet for 2 days. I'll have some more broccoli today. I use to really get my dog good. cabbage and some peas would really gas him good. He'd run for the doggy door putting all the way. I miss him. He'd fart and look at me, I'd say "Does it stink". He'd sniff, if he laid back down it was ok. But if he headed for his door, grab the can of air freshener.
Well now is it everyone waiting for that moment. Or maybe he doesn't itch Lee after knowing it's already discharged. Come to think of it I don't remember video that he actually did get that and I would want so far but then again I've seen what seems like billions of them now.
We had these types of ionisers in photo labs in worked at in the 90’s. They were supposed to help keep the dust away from the negatives. After a couple of weeks the desk would have a dark dirty mark 30cm around the ioniser and need cleaning.
Back in a previous life I remember making some of them. I think they used a 500v transformer and the usual bucket brigade diode Cap setup. The best result I found for an Ariel was about 3" of coax with 1/4" stripped from the outer sleeving and a tap to the diodes (via resistors) to the centre of the coax braid! The ends pf the coax were bent in a semicircle and just out of two holes in the casing. The dust is something to behold and I suspect the main reason why ionisers are not so commonplace now!
Like he said, they were not were sharp. And also, rust is actually a very hostile environment for most organism, so catching an infection from an old rusty needle would probably be the least of your worries.
Tetanus is caught from animal manure, not purely rusty nails. Especially not one buried inside this appliance that was always on a shelf, not on a farm/soil/etc. The association of rusty nails/any nails with tetanus is probably from farms and roads of olden days.
@@Y.M... the bacteria causing tetanus can be found just about anywhere, there's a good possibility you could wipe some dust off of an old shelf and find a shit ton. If you can look close enough
I remember my family had some things like that when I was very young; their casings were small black pyramids with the indicator neons visible through a translucent cap of plastic at the top.
I remember a late 1960s or early 1970s 'air purifer and ioniser' that my father bought. It was a metal box about 10"x8"x8" with a grill on the front and a fairly rough feeling open cell plastic filter on the back. The inside consisted of three screw in germicidal lamps that I presume were low-pressure mercury lamps, there was also a cylindrical fan for drawing air through the device. When running there was an ozone smell from the device.
@@beware_the_moose Its smell is acrid and pungent a bit like chlorine. If you have ever been near a photocopier making multiple copies then the odour in the immediate area is due to ozone produced by the machine.
@@oldbatwit5102 yep me too never got the chance to visit one of their stores but did buy a lot from them back in the 70's loved their catalogues such great artwork on the covers !
I found some bipolar ionizers at an auction. Bipolar units supposedly generate less ozone. I am using them to build an air purifier that will blow air over the ionizer needles than through a grounded aluminum mesh filter similar to the ones used on commercial microwaves. This will hopefully reduce or eliminate the residue on room surfaces commonly associated with ionizer use. The air will then pass through a HEPA filter to catch any bits still in the air. HEPA filters are costly so hopefully pre-filtering will extend their life. Yes, Justin's video is shocking. When I dug deeper I found a Chinese source that would ship to your door, "Free Shipping!", the radioactive material he found. I did shoot a note to the authorities. This can't be legal.
Are the bipolar ones the static dissipating ones for electronics workshops? I'm not sure how well they will work in air cleaning. A traditional needle ioniser produces very little ozone.
@@bigclivedotcom These were sold originally to be fitted into air conditioning ducts. I'm somewhat skeptical of their claims. They do work. A small AliExpress ion detector indicates ions but the corona discharge is barely visible. The electronics are potted and powered by 12VDC (from a separate 24VAC power supply) so I'm not sure how they work. If they don't work I'll just build my own. These are the ones I messaged you about a couple weeks ago. Photo on Patreon messages.
I've seen ionizers with tungsten needles, a brush with thin stainless steel bristles, fine stainless steel wires, and super-thin filaments of mostly carbon (similar to the static neutralizers used in copiers). Some of them produce undesirable quantities of ozone. I've hardly seen any mention yet of using ionizers to deal with the current pandemic, but it seems well worth pursuing, since the coronavirus is mostly transmitted by indoor air.
I found one at Goodwill back in the early '90s that looked a lot like that one. At my last job, I set it up and just let it run in my tiny shop to see what it would do. It made a cruddy spot on the wall. Electronic precipitators were very similar..my last job had a " Smoke Eater" in the smoking area waiting room. It had plates that needed frequent cleaning. I found out the hard way not to get the gunk from the plates on you, unless you want to find out what nicotine poisoning is like. B.S. gets recycled. Old woo becomes new....
I made and sold a whole range of anion generators from specs on clives early website. Circa 2005. Made a bit of money and mine are still working nicely. . .
I'm surprised he didn't mention that. Non sleeved pins? Yes that would put a date on it. as well maybe he just forgot. He has mentioned something about slave pens before by the way. Then again here in the United States that was never required. I kind of doubt it ever will be. And I get most of our receptacles are rated at 120 volts or so. By the way the Australian plugs we used to use something like that here in the United States that were called Crowfoot plugs. and yes the Australian plugs would actually fit us Crowfoot plugs. But the thing about about the Crowfoot plugs. Is depending on where are you were and who put them in and for what purpose. They may not always be wired the same way. Even if they are. It could be either 120 volts or 220.. I can't again depending on the installation. This was before Nima standards. Also there were other interesting Outlets as well. Have you ever seen an outlet that has the two t-shaped slots. With the legs that come off the side going both ways. You do still see them in older buildings. They are what's called duel rated receptacles. That depending on the voltage they could be either red one car trading or another. Typically 10 amps or 15 amps. 120 voles ask you about 115 or 110 about then probably. At 15 amps. Or 220 volts or so at 10 amps. Same idea is the crofoot? The reason for this so-called The Duel rated receptacle was as follows. At one time lighting could only have a 10 amp circuit rating. This was ancient history in The Code by the way. But Power could sell 15 amps Plus. So 220 was used for lighting and those times. As well as other purposes but initially that was because of the lighting issues will probably only 10 amp circuits. However of course the 220 was used for other things as well. But back to the Lani issue. If you electrical well enough. People would know that you can get twice the available power in terms of Watts on 220 brother and 110 volts. At the same amperage. So essentially you would be doubling the amount of watts of lamps AKA Bo she could run from that receptacle or circuit. Kind of work around if you would. also I've heard of some old installations even in the United States Ancient history have seen a few places that have been wire for that one time. That might and power were metered separately. Also there were other plugs around prior to the stair Nema plugs. Which later on were used however they had a ground pin. For example one type of 220 plug That is still used to this day. Sometimes. Back then before that plug had a ground. It had to horizontal flat pins. like the steering 15 amp plug accept depends Twisted to decide all like the steering 15 amp plug accept depends Twisted 90°. And the thing is nowadays those exact plugs will fit into a 220 receptacle instead of 110 volts. But also those Outlets work could be either wired for 110 or 220 just like a crow foot and others. Also there were actually receptacles which had both the standard 110 volt plug and the ones of the pain straight across in the same receptacle. Occasionally even a duplex configuration. also those duplex Outlets that are handed both t-shaped slots I've seen those in both Kentucky and Tennessee homes. In both my grandparents places. And not all of them but in some rooms. On my grandparents side at The Farmhouse. I saw them in at least three rooms.??? for sure I saw one in the bathroom. by the way that bathroom was not original to the house. so it was actually newer than the rest of the house. Originally the bathroom was purple hallway. This is back previously they have an outhouse. that was when they first got indoor plumbing there. previously about the only indoor plumbing was a water supply pipe coming from the cistern to the pump on the kitchen sink. the cistern is actually below the dam. That's why there's one wall That's all cinder blocks and the rest is just a rock Foundation. Also has anyone seen anybody do this before. Also another question like that. something that I had seen on The Farmhouse I noticed it when I was real little too there were marbles pushed you into the Border of the foundation. Was this a thing back then? Was this just a one-off? Cool nonetheless. By the way that was Tennessee. And then after that they did not have a well but they had in the spring and a poop in it. Much much much later they wind up getting City Water even though it was way off in the boonies. and if I remember correctly the barn was still Connected to the pump in the spring. That's not the only place I know of that had a sisteron in at one time. e Kentucky as well a lot of my relatives their head old cisterns. and even the house my father lives in currently. But interesting Lee I think my grandmother's house was built the same time or before? but they always had city water. However they were only about two hundred feet or so from each other. As the crow flies.
The big difference is powered vs un-powered. Unless your counting the mystery element they are putting in those items. I think part of the downfall of the electric ionizers is the ozone that they can make is done wrong. My furnace electrostatic filter has a warning to use at lower power levels for people that have problems with ozone like people with lung problems.
Bigger and more powerful ionizers than my own, are known to produce negative ions and ozone, which too much ozone is toxic, not necessarily radioactive.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 I have no clue. I read on many sites they were dangerous to use in small places like a room in a home that usually have limited ventilation. My lungs are already messed up to the point of near failure. Stuff that can affect my lungs terrify me. Was interested in such a device because it could help clean the air. Just couldnt risk it because of the ozone thing. Went back to my original idea of buying an air purifier instead. So much for trying to save money.
The battery powered modules are a great way to play around with medium voltage at home without being burned to a crisp. I've charged capacitors with them, (Small ones, see above), and I think you could drive a TEA laser no problem, or make a solid state version of those "fun fly stick" toys that make your hair stand on end and levitate little Mylar strips in the air. A Franklin's bell should be easy to do as well. Just watch out for reversing the battery polarity even for a second. These modules are incredibly vulnerable to it, at least the two brands I bought on Amazon. Now I solder a diode in series with the input to avoid absent mindedly burning them out.
@Chris I guess that's where the made-up time Paradox comes from that about you don't gots always and almost every single time travel thing you see. Back to the Future Futurama all that stuff you know where they show up again and something happens
I cleaned underside of my lamp without knowing it didnt have a bottom and I was touching live 230 v wires with a wet washing cloth. Noticed something was wrong when my fingers felt like vibrating. That could have gone really bad. I later forgot about it and repeated my mistake. The lamp has a note on it now. Ive had close calls with 230 v many times. Cant help to wonder if someone doesnt want me to die. Perhaps hell is full at the moment?
Consumer protection has been dismantled in favor of free trade, free market and globalism etc. So yeah, it's up to the individual to constantly be aware and vigilant. There's also some nasty make-up and 'jewelry' sold on Amazon, Ali, E-bay and those. It's really very similar to Victorian times with radioactive health products and boric acid beauty cream.
0:57 Patent search comes up for Patent number 1000098 dated 1981 as a class 23 - Fluid distribution equipment, sanitary, heating, ventilation and air-conditioning equipment, solid fuel
@@MrFlint51 ah, well, thats a different case, i worked for someone doing appliance testing some years ago round local upper schools and we had to change any non sleeved plugs,
I built something similar from a circuit out of Practical Electronics in the 80's - no transformer - just la bridge rectifier & lots of capacitors - as I recall it worked.
Had one in the 80’s. Simple black box but as I recall it had the same bits in it as yours. I took it apart when I was a kid because I wanted to see why when I got within 10 feet of it I couldn’t breathe
Would the 270R resistor enable the use of an off-the-shelf step down transformer as a step up with the primary and secondary swapped? Would that effectively keep the transformer out of saturation despite the wrong wire sizing/coil impedance?
Referencing the HV to earth is good as it avoids putting live AC on the needles when unit is used in areas with IT network. IT network has the most reliable operation and low cost as it uses local protective ground and only distributes the 3 phases. Consumer has to balance their loads between the phases.
Even better than the radioactive necklaces and bracelets. I found there are items that make thorium tea for drinking. The descriptions say that it removes heavy metals.
We had one of the tower ionizers, 1 in each room and i remember them getting disgusting, but everything else in said rooms were fairly clean, a lot cleaner then they are now.
Yeah, in the breakdown for those ion products, THEY SKIP telling you that there are radio-active materials in the construct...if they put that honestly, the gig would of been up long before now. Yet as I explained on Justins video too...that the people who let this garbage into the market were already aware of such dangers, and STILL considered the money over the people health...that's something he is either ignorant on (which as he is a fairly smart scientist he should be able to surmise on his own so that kinda rules that out), or willingly blind. Also NOW this video has been out for a year or so...go type all of those products into amazon etc, see that you can still pretty much buy all of them. yeah, I just checked.
They were very fashionable for a while and sold with quack-like marketing. The long multiplier version was better suited to European voltages of 220V upwards.
My dad worked industrial machines, I remeber he came home explaining how they "clean" the air before sending back out of a glass plant. Part of that process was static electricity.
Was there a health test of air ion exposure that it was negliable and/or ineffective for respiratory improvements? I think having a house plant or a window open would be a better solution as CO2 level decrease then body energy increases. Even if you have to plug in a green house into your air ducts.
Thinking there's quite the business opportunity here - I'm going to market negative ion apparel for protection against the the RF poisoning from smart meters. You KNOW it'll sell.
I wonder if any of the standard carbon add on air filters are conductive enough to act as a grounded plate to attract dust? Would it be difficult to make one? Perhaps add conductors behind the pleats?
Clive, did you check if the needles are radioactive? It's possible they might be doped with thorium in order to be able to emit more electrons, like TIG welding rods used to be.
Clive, did you test the resistance of the 50mA fuse? In my workplace we sometimes use 100mA fuses in line circuit protection units, and these have a significant resistance. So I suspect the series resistor will be just as likely to fail, as the fuse!
Might be useful to have one nearby while opening up hard drives if it removes impurities from the air... Though I suspect the negative charge may make the hard drive sad.
My grandparents bought similar devices in the early 80s from a company called Modulion, which, IIRC, was made in Israel. I took one apart back then and it was built this way. In operation, the tips of the needles had a violet discharge. You could actually feel a breeze coming from it. Sure enough, the wall behind the dingus would collect soot.
please, include the formula for we who are voltage impaired, here in the US of A, where a day when we get the full 125 volts are rare indeed and 110 volts are the norm. Lights flicker, well we who horded the wonderful bulbs developed by Edison that still have a tungsten filament instead of the new LED's Sure we pay a bit more in the power bill but the light is still that wonderful glow we grew up with.
Clive, what do you think is more powerful for dust removal? An air purifier that passes air though a filter, or an ionizer? I've purchased a purifier but wondering if I should get an ionizer too.
A mechanical hepa filter filters out much more dust and it doesn't expell potentially dangerous negative ions So just stick with the mechanical air filter and never think about these things ever again
I had a similar unit to this. The needle tips would glow purple as you brought your finger tips near them. Looked like a corona discharge from your ozone generator videos.
Interesting that the mains switch has a second pole. Is this connecting the 270R resistor across the transformer primary when switched off? Not seen that before. Almost like a snubber, controlling the collapse of the transformer primary current at switch off to minimise damage to the switch?
My mother had one of these for a long time, and I often amused myself by bringing small screwdrivers close to the pins and drawing some mildly impressive arcs off of them. well, they seemed impressive to me at the time
Get a 12 volt one, and charge a capacitor made from a plastic sheet protector and two pieces of tinfoil. Shorting that out won't be so mildly impressive. Oh, and keep your hands well away from it even after you disconnect it.
More like, some halfbrained experimentation along the lines of "I wonder if you could possibly..." I ultimately overvolted that sheet protector, creating a brilliant flash, a loud bang, and literally cracking and shredding a half inch hole in it. Life's to vulnerable to tempt fate, but also too short to not have a little fun...
Shoe fitting fluoroscope is the full name of that device. Also this comment contains Wikipedia links were most things people have brought up in these comments on this video as well. Also out of all of previous comments. Wikipedia 3 Wikipedia links. Shoe fitting fluoroscope. Radiation quack related. And also negative ion generator. By the way on that one Discovery Channel antiques restoration show can't remember which one at the moment. Did they did feature one as well as an X-ray tech came through with that as well. By the way I can't remember exact figures but it seemed like it was close to 10 times or maybe even a hundred times the safe level for x-rays that was coming out of it. And that was on certified instruments. Also the device was modified to have light bulbs that would shine through x-ray film of people's feet. And now for that Wikipedia link. Here you go for anyone interested. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope?wprov=sfla1 Oh and by the way on radiation and Quack stuff. Ditto. Wikipedia link below. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_quackery?wprov=sfla1 Negative ion generator. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser?wprov=sfla1 Bonus Wikipedia links. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionized_jewelry?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_ionizer?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_air_ionization_therapy?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionized-air_glow?wprov=sfla1 Related somewhat to above. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo%27s_fire?wprov=sfla1l en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_ore_Revigator?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radiation_therapy?wprov=sfla1 There you go for anyone interested.
At 1:36 tell me you didnt lick the needles when you plugged it in off camera? That test is for 9v batteries only! Finger test always is a good indicator to check if unit is still storing a charge and for high voltage capacitors!
I have a hi tech one where you can adjust the ion output and the frequency that it pulses at, and the needles are user replaceable. it has a pic chip? and a crystal, and a heap of dip switches to set the frequency. it does work well or did and now after 20 years needs servicing. it has high value resistors at the end as well and little or no voltage comes out now but before the resistors it does.
@@bigclivedotcom Yes it is the Elanra, i paid big spondula for it too. but for some reason it worked for me. and when the needles needed replacing, i would feel worse.
Clive I have the PCBs out of a few of those USB plasma balls (that I scavenged when they lost their vacuum and). Could I use one or more of those as negative ion generators - with a needle and case of course?
Those put out AC. It might be be easier to build a dedicated ioniser from scratch. Your plasma power supplies will produce interesting effects with neon tubes, some old tungsten lamps and fluorescent tubes. Keep the output away from expensive electronic stuff.
Wait? Radioactive products are healthy again?? ooh, I must give the Thorium mantles on my Aladdin lamps a lick for those healthy radioactive ions to soothe my body's ailments!!! :P
Worth a read, low dose radiation could be good for your health. www.discovermagazine.com/health/could-small-amounts-of-radiation-be-good-for-you-its-complicated.
twocvbloke ionizing radiation therapy machine for “curing” cancer 😂 I never can understand how ionizing radiation can cure cancer when it’s been known to cause it
@@ec8107 Thing is, what is normal? A nuclear reactor construction engineer set off a radiation alarm at the work site, but there was no nuclear material at the site yet, it was from the radon gas in his house. www.radonillinois.com/the-discovery-of-radon-in-homes-the-story-of-stanley-watras/
This kind of high voltage circuit are still using in some chinesium o zone generator, i have been fish farm company, they have similar machine, but obviously hugh compare to this one. If you temove the cover, you will see electric discharge inside the chamber. And yes, it collect dust, just like the very old fish tank type black and white TV.
It should have an output of - 60 to - 120 kilo volts. If there is a desire to have a healing effect. In the inputs of the living organism, form antioxidants.
My sister suffers from seasonal allergies due to pollen and whatnot; I wonder if such a device might help her. If you built up the voltage with twice the number of caps and diodes, could it work on 120VAC?
Interesting that the other unit you showed had a special BY22 lamp cap on it - you didn't take an old Osram or Thorn SOX lamp to bits to repair it, did you?
As a hobbyist I built myself an unit more or less like yours, but for a 12 VDC source and an oscillating circuit to ramp up the voltage. Needles got very round and oxidized over time.
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How to electrician: 3:10
1) Ask if it will shock you
2) Touch it while saying "eueeuuehh"
3) Observe results
Sounds like big Clive all right.
You know he's always tasting things to am I right?
Not to mention expired food taste tests.
And God only knows what else that would affect his health in negative ways.
Big climb any thoughts on why you actually do that or anyone have any serious please comment below.
big climb
I almost peed with this comment.
That’s the difference between a professional and amateur electrician. The professionals make it look easy without dying 😀
@@furblokeEN easily done predictive text takes over when u press send. Results can be amusing but unavoidable to normal humans
A friend of my brother, when he was young, learned that vegetables are healthy for you. He also learned that things that are green tend to be vegetables.
So he ended up putting two and two together and eating all the green felt off the bottom of a chess set. He suffered through it because well vegetables normally taste bad, right? The green felt on the bottom of this thing reminded me of that story.
Nice
"The Radium water was working fine, until his jaw fell off..."
I remember seeing a video where they talked about the ladies who painted radium on watch hands. They'd lick the brushes so the bristles would stick together. Then they mysteriously developed mouth/throat cancer...
@@prdoohan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls
@@prdoohan fake story
Negative Ion Water
50HP for 5s
+10 Rads
10% Chance for mutation
10% Chance for permanent dissease
Letters to Fuckface
Get a good snake oil seller and youve got a business.
Theres literally people selling tap water as magic remedies, so i dont see why you couldnt sell toilet water too.
Theres already people selling bath water now that i think about it.
Water sales are a serious money maker.
@@laharl2k Thirsty boys!
@IbukiHimari The most efficient way to give someone Herpes!
I had one of these units from new in the 70s. It came with a a small PCB on which was mounted a neon bulb, it functioned similar to a neon mains testing screw driver. This was use to confirm the unit was working. After the ioniser had been running for a few minutes it was possible to detect the Corona discharge at several centimetres from the pins. I did not use the ioniser for very long before I noticed that it was charging the dust in the air and sticking it to the room walls, which were slowly going black. The exception being clean strips at the corners, where the potential gradient due to inverse point discharge kept the dust from being attracted.
Another interesting effect was that the ioniser was able to produce a cloud of charged air, which would waft past the touch activated dimmer light switch on the opposite side of the room, randomly turning it off and on and dimming the room light.. It was possible to show that the action was the result of a charged cloud of air, by actively fanning the cloud past the wall mounted switch, turning the light on and off in a semi controlled fashion. A junction FET (J310) connected to an analogue multimeter allowed the resulting electric field in the room to be tracked and mapped.
About the time this ioniser was made, it was popular to have fan dust extractors, a common example of the time was made by Breville, these consisted of a unit fitted with an activated carbon cartridge made of carbon foam sandwiched between glass wool. The cartridge was mounted under a small electric fan. The fan sucked room air through the cartridge returning the cleaned air to the room. I did a few experiments mounting my ioniser close to the air intake of such a dust filter. To improve the performance of both and solve the problem of charged dust being stuck to the walls. This worked rather well, I have often wondered why such a combination was never commercialised. While the claimed benefits of adding negative ions to the air are a little dubious, there are clear benefit to effectively removing dust, pollen and bacteria from a rooms air. A filter made with activated carbon sputtered with copper or silver has the potential to kill harmful bacteria in the air if they can be trapped on the filter. Even a grounded copper mesh would perform this function if the air was pre ioniser before filtering. Such a filter would also be easy to clean, unlike those in the Breville air filter, which required regular replacement. This I suspect was the downfall of the concept, as regular replacement of the cartridges proved too expensive for the average consumer.
You can get professional level air conditioning solutions with ion filters.
I think hospital operating room air filters have them incorporated in their multi stage filtration systems.
@@Wheel333 I once proposed a home air condition system that made use of disused house chimneys as a port to vent and exchange home air at roof top level. The idea was simple, run a coaxial pipe up the flue from a reversable electric heat pump, heat exchanger in the fire place. At roof top level air separation was to be achieved using the temperature differential between the two air flows, with hot air discharged above the cold.
It was proposed that this system used an ioniser and metal mesh filters to clean the air, the advantage being that the filters would be easy to clean and not require expensive replacements. Now there is a requirement to phase out open hearth coal fires, to reduce carbon emissions, maybe the idea will find an application in retro fitting heating and air conditioning to older homes.
I featured an Ioniser that had a collection mat that was at a slightly more positive voltage than ground to try and attract the charged dust.
@@bigclivedotcom was that the pyramid shaped unit?
As far as I can tell the best solution is to discharge the ion stream on a metal filter, as the advantage of breathing negatively charged air is questionable, but removing dust, pollen , etc is obvious. As far as I am aware, the Dyson air cleaner uses filters that must be replaced. The attraction of using ioniser air is that the dust is easy to collect on filters that are easy to clean. What was impressive was the speed with which the wall were blackened by the dust removed from the air, suggesting it really works as an air cleaner.
I did consider putting together a box with a fan and ioniser inside. Sucking the air through such a box solves the problem of keeping the fan clean. One solution is to make the container out of large diameter uPVC drain pipe, arranged in a U shape. Ions being injected at the pipe inlet and a filter and fan fitted in the outlet. The filter might be made from loose bundle of earthed steal or copper wool.
2:30 The device that infused your water with radiation was called a Radium Ore Revigorator. It contained more uranium than radium, and was really not a good idea for preparing drinks.
Making Nuka Cola Since 1920's.
I'd most vehemently disagree - such devices should be used to treat drinking water at all venues where politicians congregate!
The inventors wife said he drank that stuff until his jaw fell off
😳😱
@@Nomad-Rogers That medical quackery stuff is horrifying.
Out of curiosity I bought one of the pendants Justin was showing just so I could waft my own geiger counter at it and see for myself - what I wasn't expecting is the "authenticity card" that came in the box was *also* radioactive. Presumably they'd made it from the same material for...authenticity reasons?
Amusingly because of the card's surface area it'd be somewhat more effective at blasting your skin with "ions" than the pendant would be, if indeed your goal was to give yourself skin cancer.
Probably just cross contamination at that point? They might keep the box of cards resting on top of the open bags of powder! :O
@@TechyBen It's way too hot for that, if that were the case you'd expect the rest of the packaging it came in to also be active, but it's not.
@@Chlorate299 That is truly horrifying then. As, a mistake, no matter how bad is a mistake. But someone choosing to be a fool.. that is deadly multiplied!
@@Chlorate299 how hot exactly??
@@beware_the_moose "Hot" is a relative term I suppose my geiger counter peaks out at around 2 microsieverts per hour when held against the card, which isn't particularly hazardous however it is way higher than natural sources. This is also when measured with an SBM-20 tube too, so can only detect beta and gamma radiation. This stuff is apparently doped with Thorium oxide so should be giving off more alpha than anything.
My grandma used to have an ioniser in her house, it used to fascinate me as a child. I'd often touch the needles and draw a tiny blue arc to my finger. I had no idea what it was or how it worked but the arc didn't hurt at all, infact I don't remember even being able to feel it. I do remember the smell of ozone around it though.
I remember designing and building one of these, very similar to this, in the day. My elder daughter, who was very young then, had a proclivity to have asthma attacks. I left it running in her bedroom, well out of her reach. I used long sharp iron needles as the output prods. I remember using a step up transformer that I had salvaged from a different piece of defunct equipment. I used a large ABS plastic project box, some 1N4007 diodes and high voltage caps. It did not cost me very much. It was about the same size as the one Big Clive took apart. It worked very well. I wonder what happened to it? I remember now - the needles rusted, my daughter was older and had less attacks and I threw it out.
I've built myself a voltage multiplier ionizer with 32 capacitor and diodes, it got really long so I've heatshrunk it up and one of the capacitor pins near the end of the chain somehow break through the heatshrink and arc directly to my hand while I'm moving the thing around while plugged in, I could even see the bright spark and a taser popping sound, quite a shocking experience
High voltage, fun for all the family! 😅
I'm no expert, but wouldn't you want more than just heat-shrink tubing - or more than just a single layer of it, at least - when dealing with voltages that high to ground? (And not just to guard against punctures like this!)
I seem to recall Clive once mentioning getting burns through an insulated cable when working/playing with a neon transformer (perhaps his F.A.R.T.; perhaps mentioned in the Lichtenberg wood-burning video?), or was that caused by/did that require a high-frequency component?
@@AndrewGillard yeah, I was lazy so I only did 1 layer of heatshrink, I did poured molten wax down tube after it has been shrink to prevent it arcing internally, this is not high frequency but just a capacitor voltage multiplier with mains frequency around 50Hz
@@pierreuntel1970 Most heatshrink claims to be rated for around 600V. So yes, even with more than one layer it can still break through. You should definitely use something else to insulate high voltage devices. (like thick plastic)
@@Basement-Science Epoxy or Polyester resin works quite well.
The later one can build up some charge if used to insulate HV DC. At least the one I used once did.
Veritassium did a video about ionisers and came to the conclusion that they produce some amount of toxic ozone.
I used to have one on my desk and people DID seem to like hanging around there.
Didn't he also find that rare expensive type of crystal that emits some level of ions and no radiation or am I thinking of another video? First he tests those salt lamp things and they produced nothing measurable. They are nice to have even if they create ozone you can at least save them for when an area is smelly and then run it in that area while you aren't in there, just like mechanics do to clean the smoke smell out of smoker's cars.
They do create a small amount of ozone... but ozone is not harmful in small concentrations.
@@madmanmapper The scientist who tested Derek's ioniser for ozone made a big hoo-ha about the emissions... switched it off and ran away and all that. But Veritassium is a big millions-of-viewer channel and so may lean a bit unnecessarily towards the drama.... And just because you've got a research-chemist checking your appliance for emissions that's no assurance that they're not a huge drama-queen either I suppose.
@@El_Chompo The only rare and expensive crystals that emit ions that I can think of are stuff like Uraninite ;) ions from crystals with no radiation... nope can't see that meself!
If there's a geologist in the house who fancies calling me a plonker... do feel free.
@@edgeeffect Well you got me curious so I went and found the video in question: th-cam.com/video/ZQ--scjcAZ4/w-d-xo.html the mineral is called Turmaline and supposedly when heated it emits ions
Ah the nostalgia. I remember building one of these negative-ion generators back in 1980, based on the circuit plans in an electronics magazine.
In Germany we had Radioactive toothpaste
they marketed it for "a glowing white smile"
Great. add that to this American product and you've got an instant cancer triple pack->
Asbestos cigarette filters were produced by Hollinsworth & Vose Company, also called H&V
Specialties, for Lorillard Tobacco Company's “Kent Micronite” brand cigarettes.
Lorillard abandoned the asbestos filter design in 1956, but by then, nearly 11.7 billion asbestos-containing Kent Micronite cigarettes had been sold in the United States.
@@moshly64 clives device isnt all that bad
in Industry such things are used to remove static electricity from
@@anxiousmerchant4129 I meant to add the toothpaste radioactive element to the cigarettes mentioned above. (joke) & while I'm thinking of crazy ideas company's have had, google 'ford nucleon' ;0
Thats ridiculous usa has harmful products left and right too
My father used to design pcb's for gas chromatography machines, they had a room with a few of them. So he "borrowed" one for me as I was asthmatic and gave me a little light on a stick, as a child it was like magic.Anywhere in the room it would flash and the further away the longer time between pulses .....wireless power in the 80's was magic to me anyways. And also as a trek fan along with my dad it was like having a bit of the ship in my room, it was a round device with 8 needles and an upper and lower plate of grey plastic with a clear acrylic cylinder holding them up and it had a light under an acrylic tube with all the wires coming out , thing looked like something straight out of sickbay. But every day the plates would be covered in dust and it drastically helped my chest from day one.
This may be charged to quite a high voltage, will I get a zap from them? *pokes fingers into the high voltage electronics*
When I saw that thumbnail I thought it was a ZX80.....
What, with a switch on top? No way!
@@Mark1024MAK I Know lol.... In my defence, my brain was trying to figure out what had happened to the keyboard......
2:37 I don't want my flatulence cured, it's my super power. My internal jet pack to push me along, lift me out of the chair, or at least one leg, LOL
Indeed, it seems that as we age, the noxious effects multiply, much like the cap/diode combo. I released a bit the other day and the 2 cats that were on my lap gave me a really nasty look before running for the kitchen and some welcome relief in the wondrous smell of bacon frying in the pan, and my wonderful wife of 50 years, the perfume of life indeed.
@@JerryEricsson I made some wonderful pasta with sausage, broccoli, portabellas with a garlic cheese sauce. Even my pee filled the air with a garlicy bouquet for 2 days. I'll have some more broccoli today.
I use to really get my dog good. cabbage and some peas would really gas him good. He'd run for the doggy door putting all the way. I miss him. He'd fart and look at me, I'd say "Does it stink". He'd sniff, if he laid back down it was ok. But if he headed for his door, grab the can of air freshener.
i'm waiting for the day when you do one of your quality 'is it discharged' tests and you get an "owwie" clive.
Well now is it everyone waiting for that moment.
Or maybe he doesn't itch Lee after knowing it's already discharged.
Come to think of it I don't remember video that he actually did get that and I would want so far but then again I've seen what seems like billions of them now.
Do you know ElectroBoom?
Cool and informative video Clive. Thanks for taking that to bits for us
And thanks for the shout out in your live stream yesterday
We had these types of ionisers in photo labs in worked at in the 90’s. They were supposed to help keep the dust away from the negatives. After a couple of weeks the desk would have a dark dirty mark 30cm around the ioniser and need cleaning.
Back in a previous life I remember making some of them.
I think they used a 500v transformer and the usual bucket brigade diode Cap setup. The best result I found for an Ariel was about 3" of coax with 1/4" stripped from the outer sleeving and a tap to the diodes (via resistors) to the centre of the coax braid! The ends pf the coax were bent in a semicircle and just out of two holes in the casing.
The dust is something to behold and I suspect the main reason why ionisers are not so commonplace now!
"Rusty needles" he says, poking them with his finger.
He isnt an anti-vax so its fine
Like he said, they were not were sharp. And also, rust is actually a very hostile environment for most organism, so catching an infection from an old rusty needle would probably be the least of your worries.
Tetanus is caught from animal manure, not purely rusty nails. Especially not one buried inside this appliance that was always on a shelf, not on a farm/soil/etc.
The association of rusty nails/any nails with tetanus is probably from farms and roads of olden days.
@@Y.M... the bacteria causing tetanus can be found just about anywhere, there's a good possibility you could wipe some dust off of an old shelf and find a shit ton. If you can look close enough
That was going to be my first comment you didn't steal it because you were first LOL.
I remember my family had some things like that when I was very young; their casings were small black pyramids with the indicator neons visible through a translucent cap of plastic at the top.
Remember those Polonium based vinyl record cleaners? They used it to neutralize the static charges holding the dust to the record.
I remember a late 1960s or early 1970s 'air purifer and ioniser' that my father bought. It was a metal box about 10"x8"x8" with a grill on the front and a fairly rough feeling open cell plastic filter on the back. The inside consisted of three screw in germicidal lamps that I presume were low-pressure mercury lamps, there was also a cylindrical fan for drawing air through the device. When running there was an ozone smell from the device.
I still haven't figured out what ozone smells like!
@@beware_the_moose Its smell is acrid and pungent a bit like chlorine. If you have ever been near a photocopier making multiple copies then the odour in the immediate area is due to ozone produced by the machine.
Didn’t you make one of these a few years back?
I know that I made one about 20 years ago. It still works.
@@leglessinoz so did I. Mine came from Maplins !
@@thehappylittlefoxakabenji8154 I miss Maplins, dammit!
@@oldbatwit5102 yep me too never got the chance to visit one of their stores but did buy a lot from them back in the 70's loved their catalogues such great artwork on the covers !
he did - I remember it!
I found some bipolar ionizers at an auction. Bipolar units supposedly generate less ozone. I am using them to build an air purifier that will blow air over the ionizer needles than through a grounded aluminum mesh filter similar to the ones used on commercial microwaves. This will hopefully reduce or eliminate the residue on room surfaces commonly associated with ionizer use. The air will then pass through a HEPA filter to catch any bits still in the air. HEPA filters are costly so hopefully pre-filtering will extend their life.
Yes, Justin's video is shocking. When I dug deeper I found a Chinese source that would ship to your door, "Free Shipping!", the radioactive material he found. I did shoot a note to the authorities. This can't be legal.
Are the bipolar ones the static dissipating ones for electronics workshops? I'm not sure how well they will work in air cleaning. A traditional needle ioniser produces very little ozone.
@@bigclivedotcom These were sold originally to be fitted into air conditioning ducts. I'm somewhat skeptical of their claims. They do work. A small AliExpress ion detector indicates ions but the corona discharge is barely visible. The electronics are potted and powered by 12VDC (from a separate 24VAC power supply) so I'm not sure how they work.
If they don't work I'll just build my own.
These are the ones I messaged you about a couple weeks ago. Photo on Patreon messages.
I've seen ionizers with tungsten needles, a brush with thin stainless steel bristles, fine stainless steel wires, and super-thin filaments of mostly carbon (similar to the static neutralizers used in copiers).
Some of them produce undesirable quantities of ozone.
I've hardly seen any mention yet of using ionizers to deal with the current pandemic, but it seems well worth pursuing, since the coronavirus is mostly transmitted by indoor air.
Love those switches with the neon indicators from that era!
I found one at Goodwill back in the early '90s that looked a lot like that one. At my last job, I set it up and just let it run in my tiny shop to see what it would do. It made a cruddy spot on the wall.
Electronic precipitators were very similar..my last job had a " Smoke Eater" in the smoking area waiting room. It had plates that needed frequent cleaning. I found out the hard way not to get the gunk from the plates on you, unless you want to find out what nicotine poisoning is like.
B.S. gets recycled. Old woo becomes new....
I made and sold a whole range of anion generators from specs on clives early website. Circa 2005. Made a bit of money and mine are still working nicely. . .
I was beyond shocked after watching the video you reference and wondered if you were going to make a video about these types of unites.
The solid brass live and neutral pins on the plug could be used to help date it.
I'm surprised he didn't mention that.
Non sleeved pins?
Yes that would put a date on it.
as well maybe he just forgot.
He has mentioned something about slave pens before by the way.
Then again here in the United States that was never required.
I kind of doubt it ever will be.
And I get most of our receptacles are rated at 120 volts or so.
By the way the Australian plugs we used to use something like that here in the United States that were called Crowfoot plugs.
and yes the Australian plugs would actually fit us Crowfoot plugs.
But the thing about about the Crowfoot plugs.
Is depending on where are you were and who put them in and for what purpose.
They may not always be wired the same way.
Even if they are.
It could be either 120 volts or 220..
I can't again depending on the installation.
This was before Nima standards.
Also there were other interesting Outlets as well.
Have you ever seen an outlet that has the two t-shaped slots.
With the legs that come off the side going both ways.
You do still see them in older buildings.
They are what's called duel rated receptacles.
That depending on the voltage they could be either red one car trading or another.
Typically 10 amps or 15 amps.
120 voles ask you about 115 or 110 about then probably.
At 15 amps.
Or 220 volts or so at 10 amps.
Same idea is the crofoot?
The reason for this so-called The Duel rated receptacle was as follows.
At one time lighting could only have a 10 amp circuit rating.
This was ancient history in The Code by the way.
But Power could sell 15 amps Plus.
So 220 was used for lighting and those times.
As well as other purposes but initially that was because of the lighting issues will probably only 10 amp circuits.
However of course the 220 was used for other things as well.
But back to the Lani issue.
If you electrical well enough.
People would know that you can get twice the available power in terms of Watts on 220 brother and 110 volts.
At the same amperage.
So essentially you would be doubling the amount of watts of lamps AKA Bo she could run from that receptacle or circuit.
Kind of work around if you would.
also I've heard of some old installations even in the United States Ancient history have seen a few places that have been wire for that one time.
That might and power were metered separately.
Also there were other plugs around prior to the stair Nema plugs.
Which later on were used however they had a ground pin.
For example one type of 220 plug That is still used to this day. Sometimes.
Back then before that plug had a ground.
It had to horizontal flat pins.
like the steering 15 amp plug accept depends Twisted to decide all like the steering 15 amp plug accept depends Twisted 90°.
And the thing is nowadays those exact plugs will fit into a 220 receptacle instead of 110 volts.
But also those Outlets work could be either wired for 110 or 220 just like a crow foot and others.
Also there were actually receptacles which had both the standard 110 volt plug and the ones of the pain straight across in the same receptacle.
Occasionally even a duplex configuration.
also those duplex Outlets that are handed both t-shaped slots I've seen those in both Kentucky and Tennessee homes.
In both my grandparents places.
And not all of them but in some rooms.
On my grandparents side at The Farmhouse.
I saw them in at least three rooms.???
for sure I saw one in the bathroom.
by the way that bathroom was not original to the house.
so it was actually newer than the rest of the house.
Originally the bathroom was purple hallway.
This is back previously they have an outhouse.
that was when they first got indoor plumbing there.
previously about the only indoor plumbing was a water supply pipe coming from the cistern to the pump on the kitchen sink.
the cistern is actually below the dam. That's why there's one wall That's all cinder blocks and the rest is just a rock Foundation.
Also has anyone seen anybody do this before.
Also another question like that.
something that I had seen on The Farmhouse I noticed it when I was real little too there were marbles pushed you into the Border of the foundation.
Was this a thing back then?
Was this just a one-off?
Cool nonetheless.
By the way that was Tennessee.
And then after that they did not have a well but they had in the spring and a poop in it.
Much much much later they wind up getting City Water even though it was way off in the boonies.
and if I remember correctly the barn was still Connected to the pump in the spring.
That's not the only place I know of that had a sisteron in at one time.
e Kentucky as well a lot of my relatives their head old cisterns.
and even the house my father lives in currently.
But interesting Lee I think my grandmother's house was built the same time or before?
but they always had city water.
However they were only about two hundred feet or so from each other. As the crow flies.
My first ionizer advised to push a matchstick over the needles & twist to clean >> I always stand unit on an old towel & it gets very dirty
The big difference is powered vs un-powered. Unless your counting the mystery element they are putting in those items.
I think part of the downfall of the electric ionizers is the ozone that they can make is done wrong. My furnace electrostatic filter has a warning to use at lower power levels for people that have problems with ozone like people with lung problems.
A needle Ioniser does produce, but only a trace amount.
Bigger and more powerful ionizers than my own, are known to produce negative ions and ozone, which too much ozone is toxic, not necessarily radioactive.
Still. A thunderstorm probably produces more ozone.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 In a closed space it can be dangerous.
@@fishsauce2221 But who has shown one to create levels near what OSHA or NIOSH would consider to be dangerous?
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 I have no clue. I read on many sites they were dangerous to use in small places like a room in a home that usually have limited ventilation. My lungs are already messed up to the point of near failure. Stuff that can affect my lungs terrify me. Was interested in such a device because it could help clean the air. Just couldnt risk it because of the ozone thing. Went back to my original idea of buying an air purifier instead. So much for trying to save money.
Thanks Clive. Well appreciated!
The battery powered modules are a great way to play around with medium voltage at home without being burned to a crisp. I've charged capacitors with them, (Small ones, see above), and I think you could drive a TEA laser no problem, or make a solid state version of those "fun fly stick" toys that make your hair stand on end and levitate little Mylar strips in the air. A Franklin's bell should be easy to do as well. Just watch out for reversing the battery polarity even for a second. These modules are incredibly vulnerable to it, at least the two brands I bought on Amazon. Now I solder a diode in series with the input to avoid absent mindedly burning them out.
the cycle continues
what was old is new
@Chris I guess that's where the made-up time Paradox comes from that about you don't gots always and almost every single time travel thing you see.
Back to the Future Futurama all that stuff you know where they show up again and something happens
I read: "Curse-Air, but that is my brain doing funny things.
"Am I going to get a zap off this?" *poke* *poke* *poke*
You sir are worse than I am XD
"Euhhhhh" .... lol!
I cleaned underside of my lamp without knowing it didnt have a bottom and I was touching live 230 v wires with a wet washing cloth. Noticed something was wrong when my fingers felt like vibrating. That could have gone really bad. I later forgot about it and repeated my mistake. The lamp has a note on it now. Ive had close calls with 230 v many times. Cant help to wonder if someone doesnt want me to die. Perhaps hell is full at the moment?
no he is not i like to stick paper clips into outlets
Oooooo look at that old 13A plug without part-insulated pins!! There are some of those in mum's house still in everyday use!
Consumer protection has been dismantled in favor of free trade, free market and globalism etc. So yeah, it's up to the individual to constantly be aware and vigilant.
There's also some nasty make-up and 'jewelry' sold on Amazon, Ali, E-bay and those. It's really very similar to Victorian times with radioactive health products and boric acid beauty cream.
0:57 Patent search comes up for Patent number 1000098 dated 1981 as a class 23 - Fluid distribution equipment, sanitary, heating, ventilation and air-conditioning equipment, solid fuel
I saw that video yesterday and all I thought of was, cool, I can go buy some nice radioactive things!
I prefer my radioactive "things" to be encapsulated and not leave dust everywhere!
@@beware_the_moose in an ideal world😂
One look at the mains plug tells me that your ioniser is ancient! That type of plug, without plastic shielding on the pins, has been illegal for years
those plugs arent 'illegal' to 'use' if you already have them, just illegal to sell to public now...
@@andygozzo72 You are of course correct. But when I do a PAT test, I still recommend replacing them with the new safer ones.
@@MrFlint51 ah, well, thats a different case, i worked for someone doing appliance testing some years ago round local upper schools and we had to change any non sleeved plugs,
I'm surprised you did not clean up those rusty spikes and see how much difference it made in the unit's operation and power consumption.
Can’t beat a good bit of thorium! What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger!...
Or eventually kills you
I built something similar from a circuit out of Practical Electronics in the 80's - no transformer - just la bridge rectifier & lots of capacitors - as I recall it worked.
I like the way you explain by doddle.. Nice one
Had one in the 80’s. Simple black box but as I recall it had the same bits in it as yours. I took it apart when I was a kid because I wanted to see why when I got within 10 feet of it I couldn’t breathe
Would the 270R resistor enable the use of an off-the-shelf step down transformer as a step up with the primary and secondary swapped? Would that effectively keep the transformer out of saturation despite the wrong wire sizing/coil impedance?
Referencing the HV to earth is good as it avoids putting live AC on the needles when unit is used in areas with IT network.
IT network has the most reliable operation and low cost as it uses local protective ground and only distributes the 3 phases.
Consumer has to balance their loads between the phases.
What AC going to the needles? The output is DC.
Even better than the radioactive necklaces and bracelets. I found there are items that make thorium tea for drinking. The descriptions say that it removes heavy metals.
Search negative ion water stick.
If that's the pen one then I've already ordered one. Not for making tea though.
I think it is time for a Big Clive IONISER KIT. We can trust Big Clive stuff to work properly. Trevor.
I've considered that, but it would have to be biased to Europe and other countries with 220V or higher.
@@bigclivedotcom Thanks for the reply Big Clive. Trevor.
We had one of the tower ionizers, 1 in each room and i remember them getting disgusting, but everything else in said rooms were fairly clean, a lot cleaner then they are now.
I wonder if the point of connecting the neon in series may be to create fast spikes of current through the transformer.
2:15 Well "and then they died" end of story 😂😂
Yeah, in the breakdown for those ion products, THEY SKIP telling you that there are radio-active materials in the construct...if they put that honestly, the gig would of been up long before now. Yet as I explained on Justins video too...that the people who let this garbage into the market were already aware of such dangers, and STILL considered the money over the people health...that's something he is either ignorant on (which as he is a fairly smart scientist he should be able to surmise on his own so that kinda rules that out), or willingly blind. Also NOW this video has been out for a year or so...go type all of those products into amazon etc, see that you can still pretty much buy all of them. yeah, I just checked.
Based upon your channel, I'm assuming the UK is just awash in ionizers. I've never seen one in the US, though electrostatic filters are a thing.
They were very fashionable for a while and sold with quack-like marketing. The long multiplier version was better suited to European voltages of 220V upwards.
My dad worked industrial machines, I remeber he came home explaining how they "clean" the air before sending back out of a glass plant. Part of that process was static electricity.
Raymond, those systems are known as electrostatic precipitators, they're relatively common in industrial plants
They were common in the '70s in South Africa, another 220V Country at the time. (Now 240V)
@@raymondmucklow3793 Electrostatic precipitators, they are used to remove fly ash and particulates from combustion systems etc.
Was there a health test of air ion exposure that it was negliable and/or ineffective for respiratory improvements? I think having a house plant or a window open would be a better solution as CO2 level decrease then body energy increases. Even if you have to plug in a green house into your air ducts.
I feel so sorry for all the ionizers, photocopiers and laser printers, that are dying from corona virus.
Thinking there's quite the business opportunity here - I'm going to market negative ion apparel for protection against the the RF poisoning from smart meters.
You KNOW it'll sell.
The 270 ohm resister on the 240volt supply... shouldn't that go out to the supply and not back to just after the switch?
I wonder if any of the standard carbon add on air filters are conductive enough to act as a grounded plate to attract dust? Would it be difficult to make one? Perhaps add conductors behind the pleats?
I heard the sort of buzzing hiss, but then again I hear that ALL the time.
it was made in the 80s, I had a tandys( radio shack) one, the disadvantage with using this is the whole wall gets covered in dust and smoke particle
Clive, did you check if the needles are radioactive? It's possible they might be doped with thorium in order to be able to emit more electrons, like TIG welding rods used to be.
They're just standard needles. These units rely on brute force voltage to cause ionisation of the air.
Clive, did you test the resistance of the 50mA fuse? In my workplace we sometimes use 100mA fuses in line circuit protection units, and these have a significant resistance. So I suspect the series resistor will be just as likely to fail, as the fuse!
"Am I going to get a zap off it?" *proceeds to make sure it's safe to touch by shoving hands into it*
Hey now, this isn't ElectroBoom.
Might be useful to have one nearby while opening up hard drives if it removes impurities from the air... Though I suspect the negative charge may make the hard drive sad.
There are industrial Ionisers that put out both polarities to dissipate static at electronic work stations.
My grandparents bought similar devices in the early 80s from a company called Modulion, which, IIRC, was made in Israel. I took one apart back then and it was built this way. In operation, the tips of the needles had a violet discharge. You could actually feel a breeze coming from it. Sure enough, the wall behind the dingus would collect soot.
With "violet discharge" you mean like sparks? So it would also produce ozone.
Needle Ionisers do produce trace ozone. Usually very little.
It's so old, it's got unsleeved pins on the plug. I suppose that dates it. When were those sleeves brought in? Anyone?
In 1984 BS 1363 was amended to require sleeving on plug pins. You can still find unsleeved plugs in use you know.
Anyone else look at the old plug and instantly think of John Ward?
Build another one! Need a step by step wanted to build one for ages
please, include the formula for we who are voltage impaired, here in the US of A, where a day when we get the full 125 volts are rare indeed and 110 volts are the norm. Lights flicker, well we who horded the wonderful bulbs developed by Edison that still have a tungsten filament instead of the new LED's Sure we pay a bit more in the power bill but the light is still that wonderful glow we grew up with.
reminds me of both a master system and a vintage hoover !!
Clive, what do you think is more powerful for dust removal? An air purifier that passes air though a filter, or an ionizer? I've purchased a purifier but wondering if I should get an ionizer too.
A mechanical hepa filter filters out much more dust and it doesn't expell potentially dangerous negative ions
So just stick with the mechanical air filter and never think about these things ever again
@@MightyRude Thank you
@@MightyRude Dangerous negative ions LOL
@@CL-ty6wp
I think you missed a word
I had a similar unit to this. The needle tips would glow purple as you brought your finger tips near them. Looked like a corona discharge from your ozone generator videos.
Rice Krispie diodes. I bought some 20+ years ago for a similar circuit. They were rated about 10kV @ 1mA
Interesting that the mains switch has a second pole. Is this connecting the 270R resistor across the transformer primary when switched off? Not seen that before. Almost like a snubber, controlling the collapse of the transformer primary current at switch off to minimise damage to the switch?
The switch just breaks the live connection. It has a third connection for the indicator lamp's neutral.
I'd have expected some air inlet holes in the box since there are five point outputs generating flow...
My mother had one of these for a long time, and I often amused myself by bringing small screwdrivers close to the pins and drawing some mildly impressive arcs off of them. well, they seemed impressive to me at the time
Get a 12 volt one, and charge a capacitor made from a plastic sheet protector and two pieces of tinfoil. Shorting that out won't be so mildly impressive. Oh, and keep your hands well away from it even after you disconnect it.
@@deltab9768 ooooooooo, that's an idea and a half
More like, some halfbrained experimentation along the lines of "I wonder if you could possibly..." I ultimately overvolted that sheet protector, creating a brilliant flash, a loud bang, and literally cracking and shredding a half inch hole in it. Life's to vulnerable to tempt fate, but also too short to not have a little fun...
Why are these not being used any more, if they are so good and efficient? There must be some kind of drawback, or what has happened?
This device looks like an old game console. Just lacks a cartridge slot somewhere on the top or the side... xD
Saw that vid from TTE. Was pretty good.
Why was green felt so popular back in the day? That stuff was everywhere for a time.
i want a x-ray shoe fitting device!
Shoe fitting fluoroscope is the full name of that device.
Also this comment contains Wikipedia links were most things people have brought up in these comments on this video as well.
Also out of all of previous comments.
Wikipedia 3 Wikipedia links.
Shoe fitting fluoroscope.
Radiation quack related.
And also negative ion generator.
By the way on that one Discovery Channel antiques restoration show can't remember which one at the moment.
Did they did feature one as well as an X-ray tech came through with that as well.
By the way I can't remember exact figures but it seemed like it was close to 10 times or maybe even a hundred times the safe level for x-rays that was coming out of it.
And that was on certified instruments.
Also the device was modified to have light bulbs that would shine through x-ray film of people's feet.
And now for that Wikipedia link.
Here you go for anyone interested.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope?wprov=sfla1
Oh and by the way on radiation and Quack stuff.
Ditto.
Wikipedia link below.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_quackery?wprov=sfla1
Negative ion generator.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser?wprov=sfla1
Bonus Wikipedia links.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionized_jewelry?wprov=sfla1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_ionizer?wprov=sfla1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_air_ionization_therapy?wprov=sfla1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionized-air_glow?wprov=sfla1
Related somewhat to above.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo%27s_fire?wprov=sfla1l
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor?wprov=sfla1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_ore_Revigator?wprov=sfla1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radiation_therapy?wprov=sfla1
There you go for anyone interested.
I remember seeing one of these in a shoe store back in ‘63 in New York State. It was still being used (not on me).
Thanks Clive, is there a point to these anymore or are there pointless after this time.
At 1:36 tell me you didnt lick the needles when you plugged it in off camera? That test is for 9v batteries only! Finger test always is a good indicator to check if unit is still storing a charge and for high voltage capacitors!
I have a hi tech one where you can adjust the ion output and the frequency that it pulses at, and the needles are user replaceable. it has a pic chip? and a crystal, and a heap of dip switches to set the frequency. it does work well or did and now after 20 years needs servicing. it has high value resistors at the end as well and little or no voltage comes out now but before the resistors it does.
It may just need new needles. It sounds like one of the curved quack Ionisers that makes ingestible ions. (It's just an ordinary Ioniser).
@@bigclivedotcom Yes it is the Elanra, i paid big spondula for it too. but for some reason it worked for me. and when the needles needed replacing, i would feel worse.
Clive I have the PCBs out of a few of those USB plasma balls (that I scavenged when they lost their vacuum and). Could I use one or more of those as negative ion generators - with a needle and case of course?
Those put out AC. It might be be easier to build a dedicated ioniser from scratch. Your plasma power supplies will produce interesting effects with neon tubes, some old tungsten lamps and fluorescent tubes. Keep the output away from expensive electronic stuff.
@@bigclivedotcom OK, thanks for the reply.
And I thought we are going to see an classic game console teardown.
I just purchased a platinum pro evian ionic air purifier..is it radioactive? I need to know because I have a family
It's extremely unlikely.
@@bigclivedotcom ok thank you
Wait? Radioactive products are healthy again?? ooh, I must give the Thorium mantles on my Aladdin lamps a lick for those healthy radioactive ions to soothe my body's ailments!!! :P
Worth a read, low dose radiation could be good for your health. www.discovermagazine.com/health/could-small-amounts-of-radiation-be-good-for-you-its-complicated.
twocvbloke ionizing radiation therapy machine for “curing” cancer 😂
I never can understand how ionizing radiation can cure cancer when it’s been known to cause it
@@geodun yeah, I'll just stick with normal background radiation.
@@ec8107 Thing is, what is normal? A nuclear reactor construction engineer set off a radiation alarm at the work site, but there was no nuclear material at the site yet, it was from the radon gas in his house. www.radonillinois.com/the-discovery-of-radon-in-homes-the-story-of-stanley-watras/
This kind of high voltage circuit are still using in some chinesium o zone generator, i have been fish farm company, they have similar machine, but obviously hugh compare to this one. If you temove the cover, you will see electric discharge inside the chamber. And yes, it collect dust, just like the very old fish tank type black and white TV.
TH-cam had this video next to a video about the Tesla cybertruck and they look like they were designed by the same person
It should have an output of - 60 to - 120 kilo volts. If there is a desire to have a healing effect. In the inputs of the living organism, form antioxidants.
I think that's a completely different thing.
My sister suffers from seasonal allergies due to pollen and whatnot; I wonder if such a device might help her. If you built up the voltage with twice the number of caps and diodes, could it work on 120VAC?
All you need is 1 extra row as its a multiplier so 120V times 2 is already 240V
Interesting that the other unit you showed had a special BY22 lamp cap on it - you didn't take an old Osram or Thorn SOX lamp to bits to repair it, did you?
That's how those units were supplied decades ago.
As a hobbyist I built myself an unit more or less like yours, but for a 12 VDC source and an oscillating circuit to ramp up the voltage.
Needles got very round and oxidized over time.