Hi, maybe I missed an important detail, but I think the magnets would demagnetize at around 80 degrees Celsius. Might work for about two minutes in a rocket stove.
80°C is the Curie temperature for neodymium magnets, (the temp magnets de magnetize), for ferrite is a couple hundred degrees celsius, and some hi temp magnets can hold arround 800°celsius
Would piezo electric crystals or molecularly aligned crystals be able to conduct magnetism and help put some distance between a cheap neodymium or AlNiCo magnet, so it can still generate without de-magnetizing from the heat?
@@gerryplayz4532starlite is just highly pourous carbon, and will burn away just like other forms of porous carbon (think charcoal) when exposed to sufficient air and heat - which a rocketstove flame path definitely provides.
Hey Rob, I like all your experiments and builds and things, and this technology is exciting, but this is a little different. It sound like..."Take two nuclear warships, 100 kilometers apart, place a positive line in the water from one, and the negative wire from the other, DURING a rainstorm, AT PRECISELY 25 C, and we can produce a magnetic field. Mind you, this ONLY works in the ENGLISH CHANNEL" : -) Obviously, what I mean, is that it is QUITE a lot of work, for what seems like a very small return. Keep up the good work.
Good one, mate, Thank you! I'm spending time further exploring the fourth state of matter. I'm primarily convinced and have settled that HV (high voltage) plasma, steel, copper and expanded aluminum are the materials for the generator/motor I'm developing! Physical shape & proximity is key for KW amplification. I've been experimenting with aluminum and sodium chloride (expanded aluminum) for increased voltage potential. Nichrome or tungsten I will need to perform experiments with to consider replace/add to or mix with copper. Adding potassium nitrate to aluminum is something I haven't experimented with in years when I was producing model rocket propellant for my aerospace pursuits. The device I'm creating is primarily intended for aviation propulsion however will be experimented with on yachts. I see the need for this technology to be employed in other areas such as rocket stoves. You've given me some other rabbits to chase, thanks again, Robert.
Thomas Townsend Brown invented a flame generator where you have two ends of polarized wire inside the jet of a rocket engine and the power of the rocket engine moves the ions from one wire to the next simply by their position inside the rocket plume. It creates a tremendous amount of energy of electrical energy simply by the position of the polarized wires in the flame plume of the rocket. You can look up the pattern under TT Brown for flame generator I believe . In Tesla famously made a circuit that would rapidly turn off electrical circuits as soon as they ignited or as soon as they connected by putting a magnet under two wires and when the wires arched it created an ionic field which the magnet quickly blew out so he would get instantaneous power on and off. This particular type of electricity was the third type of electricity that Tesla discovered and he dedicated all his life to it after he discovered it.
Here's a question about generators in general. As you increase the length of the wire, the voltage increases. But also, the thickness of the coil has to increase to accommodate the wire. The effect of the magnetic field decreases as the wire moves further away from it (inverse square or inverse cube?). So is there a point at which adding more turns on a coil results in a thickness that then puts it outside of the useful magnetic field? In short, at what point does increasing the length, stop having a useful effect?
You're asking about the difference between magnetic field strength B (units Tesla/T) and magnetic flux Φ (units Weber/Wb). The density of magnetic flux basically equals the field strength. 1 T = 1 Wb / m^2. In a motor or electromagnet, the field strength at the center of a coil is, indeed, inversely proportional to the radius (there's a factor of 1/r) : B = (μ0 I/(2R))n, where μ0 is the permeability of free space constant, I is current, R is radius, and n is the dipole vector (the direction the coil faces, your thumb in the right hand rule). For any given constant current in a loop of wire, there will be a constant amount of magnetic flux inside that coil. A larger radius spreads out that flux over a larger area, thus resulting in a weaker field at any given point. In a generator, however, current depends on the load (and torque), and we have a different equation for determining voltage. For a straight length of wire, E=Blv sinθ, where E is voltage, l is the length of wire, v is the velocity, and θ is the angle that the wire cuts the magnetic field lines. Of course coils are made of wire, so we could do an integral to figure that out, but we have a shortcut. For coils of wire, the Faraday-Lenz law describes the voltage as E = -N dΦ/dt , that's the number of turns times change in magnetic flux over time. Note that radius is not present in that equation. It is governed entirely by the magnetic flux passing through the area of the coil. All that is to say, you can have a very large radius and still get the same voltage out of a magnet, as long as it's not so large that the magnetic field starts turning backwards within the coil. You can use metal or ferrite field guides to help with that. AC clamp-on amp meters rely on this fact. The real limit on radius is how many coils you can fit in the armature, and how big the radius of the rotor needs to be. The width of the coil is, to my mind, a bigger factor, because you're getting farther away from the magnet. Again, if you guide the field to go straight down the whole width of the coil, that's fine, but in open air you would start losing field rapidly the farther away you get, proportional to 1/r^3.
would seem to me, that if you arranged the set up to channel vertically, the flame draft can cause a good speed of movement from a modest flame( such as a mini jet almost), and using nichrome, perhaps a coil. If you incorporate maybe an easy capture metal, like iron itself, to improve plasma like you were with potassium. I am thinking if you use an air feed helix funnel, like they use to make tornado effects below the flame, it will spin, and gather draft speed maybe. Primary thing is keeping magnets cool, as heating magnets weakens a or often turns them off entirely, and with not much heat to do it compared to some effect(iron would be glowing at that temp, but that is when it looses all magnetism, not when it seriously drops off)
I wonder… if instead of having the magnets or the coil in a circular configuration, but changing it in such a way that that effectively uses an elliptical configuration.
I wonder if you could do something to the effect of using the carbon felt as a forever wick and hang the metal ion solution upside down so that its not fighting gravity to disperse with the heat...
awesome! maybe it's me having loved fireworks as a kid and liking that the rocket stove is environmentally friendly (or is it), but I really like anything with the rocket stove.
As in, the moving magnet is attracted to another magnet above it, heat makes it lose it's attraction and fall into a colder area below it, the cold causes it to regain it's attraction and go up again, and in that way a temperature difference causes up-and-down motion? I don't know if that would work or not, or if that's even what you meant. It's just something that popped into my head just now.
What would happen if you increase the voltage of the electrostatic field to over 100 thousand or more volts. Is there a limit to how high you can go with the electrostatic field with no increase in power output. I suppose the limit is when there is arcing between the plates.
I'm reminded of a rocket stove that generates power to drive a fan to push in more air to increase the efficiency of the generator. Now I know that one uses seebeck effect but why not use both? Slap a couple of peltier coolers on the sides of the exhaust. Scavenge every microwatt and make something neat.
Power from Pooh. The Tatarian fire place -electro hydrodynamics- methain digester for the flame.(where are the toilets of greko roman building type) 30 metre tower to produce static field 3000v (Moon tower) replace magnets with staic field. (This video) maybe ive watched too much tatarian stuff. lol
about as efficient as a one legged man in a bum kicking contest.......OK, so it works as the principle indicates but going to a more practical method I don't think the British energy companies will drop their current generation schemes and flock to this method.
MHD generators are being used to recover some waste energy in coal burning plants, raising their efficiency. So, power companies do use an advanced and refined version of this.
Magnetic fields and fish are not a good combo. Same with using it on planes around birds. They will be flying into the plane. It screws up their sense of flying north.
A moment of time is definitely worth it's meaning.
Hi, maybe I missed an important detail, but I think the magnets would demagnetize at around 80 degrees Celsius. Might work for about two minutes in a rocket stove.
80°C is the Curie temperature for neodymium magnets, (the temp magnets de magnetize), for ferrite is a couple hundred degrees celsius, and some hi temp magnets can hold arround 800°celsius
Would piezo electric crystals or molecularly aligned crystals be able to conduct magnetism and help put some distance between a cheap neodymium or AlNiCo magnet, so it can still generate without de-magnetizing from the heat?
If you're not using electro you could protect the magnets with something like starlite.
@@gerryplayz4532starlite is just highly pourous carbon, and will burn away just like other forms of porous carbon (think charcoal) when exposed to sufficient air and heat - which a rocketstove flame path definitely provides.
Hey Rob, I like all your experiments and builds and things, and this technology is exciting, but this is a little different. It sound like..."Take two nuclear warships, 100 kilometers apart, place a positive line in the water from one, and the negative wire from the other, DURING a rainstorm, AT PRECISELY 25 C, and we can produce a magnetic field. Mind you, this ONLY works in the ENGLISH CHANNEL" : -) Obviously, what I mean, is that it is QUITE a lot of work, for what seems like a very small return. Keep up the good work.
Good one, mate, Thank you! I'm spending time further exploring the fourth state of matter. I'm primarily convinced and have settled that HV (high voltage) plasma, steel, copper and expanded aluminum are the materials for the generator/motor I'm developing! Physical shape & proximity is key for KW amplification. I've been experimenting with aluminum and sodium chloride (expanded aluminum) for increased voltage potential. Nichrome or tungsten I will need to perform experiments with to consider replace/add to or mix with copper. Adding potassium nitrate to aluminum is something I haven't experimented with in years when I was producing model rocket propellant for my aerospace pursuits. The device I'm creating is primarily intended for aviation propulsion however will be experimented with on yachts. I see the need for this technology to be employed in other areas such as rocket stoves. You've given me some other rabbits to chase, thanks again, Robert.
Man those computer notification sounds were so convincing, I was trying to find out what was up with my computer. lol
Thomas Townsend Brown invented a flame generator where you have two ends of polarized wire inside the jet of a rocket engine and the power of the rocket engine moves the ions from one wire to the next simply by their position inside the rocket plume. It creates a tremendous amount of energy of electrical energy simply by the position of the polarized wires in the flame plume of the rocket. You can look up the pattern under TT Brown for flame generator I believe . In Tesla famously made a circuit that would rapidly turn off electrical circuits as soon as they ignited or as soon as they connected by putting a magnet under two wires and when the wires arched it created an ionic field which the magnet quickly blew out so he would get instantaneous power on and off. This particular type of electricity was the third type of electricity that Tesla discovered and he dedicated all his life to it after he discovered it.
Here's a question about generators in general.
As you increase the length of the wire, the voltage increases. But also, the thickness of the coil has to increase to accommodate the wire.
The effect of the magnetic field decreases as the wire moves further away from it (inverse square or inverse cube?).
So is there a point at which adding more turns on a coil results in a thickness that then puts it outside of the useful magnetic field?
In short, at what point does increasing the length, stop having a useful effect?
You're asking about the difference between magnetic field strength B (units Tesla/T) and magnetic flux Φ (units Weber/Wb). The density of magnetic flux basically equals the field strength. 1 T = 1 Wb / m^2. In a motor or electromagnet, the field strength at the center of a coil is, indeed, inversely proportional to the radius (there's a factor of 1/r) :
B = (μ0 I/(2R))n, where μ0 is the permeability of free space constant, I is current, R is radius, and n is the dipole vector (the direction the coil faces, your thumb in the right hand rule).
For any given constant current in a loop of wire, there will be a constant amount of magnetic flux inside that coil. A larger radius spreads out that flux over a larger area, thus resulting in a weaker field at any given point.
In a generator, however, current depends on the load (and torque), and we have a different equation for determining voltage. For a straight length of wire, E=Blv sinθ, where E is voltage, l is the length of wire, v is the velocity, and θ is the angle that the wire cuts the magnetic field lines. Of course coils are made of wire, so we could do an integral to figure that out, but we have a shortcut. For coils of wire, the Faraday-Lenz law describes the voltage as E = -N dΦ/dt , that's the number of turns times change in magnetic flux over time. Note that radius is not present in that equation. It is governed entirely by the magnetic flux passing through the area of the coil.
All that is to say, you can have a very large radius and still get the same voltage out of a magnet, as long as it's not so large that the magnetic field starts turning backwards within the coil. You can use metal or ferrite field guides to help with that. AC clamp-on amp meters rely on this fact. The real limit on radius is how many coils you can fit in the armature, and how big the radius of the rotor needs to be. The width of the coil is, to my mind, a bigger factor, because you're getting farther away from the magnet. Again, if you guide the field to go straight down the whole width of the coil, that's fine, but in open air you would start losing field rapidly the farther away you get, proportional to 1/r^3.
would seem to me, that if you arranged the set up to channel vertically, the flame draft can cause a good speed of movement from a modest flame( such as a mini jet almost), and using nichrome, perhaps a coil. If you incorporate maybe an easy capture metal, like iron itself, to improve plasma like you were with potassium. I am thinking if you use an air feed helix funnel, like they use to make tornado effects below the flame, it will spin, and gather draft speed maybe. Primary thing is keeping magnets cool, as heating magnets weakens a or often turns them off entirely, and with not much heat to do it compared to some effect(iron would be glowing at that temp, but that is when it looses all magnetism, not when it seriously drops off)
I wonder… if instead of having the magnets or the coil in a circular configuration, but changing it in such a way that that effectively uses an elliptical configuration.
looks like a good project for your rust burning stove you demonstrated
I wonder if you could do something to the effect of using the carbon felt as a forever wick and hang the metal ion solution upside down so that its not fighting gravity to disperse with the heat...
Hey Robert, have you seen what this gentleman is experimenting with? I think you'll find it thought provoking
awesome! maybe it's me having loved fireworks as a kid and liking that the rocket stove is environmentally friendly (or is it), but I really like anything with the rocket stove.
Makes me think about a motor driven by potential energy when a magnet gets hot and loses its attraction.
As in, the moving magnet is attracted to another magnet above it, heat makes it lose it's attraction and fall into a colder area below it, the cold causes it to regain it's attraction and go up again, and in that way a temperature difference causes up-and-down motion?
I don't know if that would work or not, or if that's even what you meant. It's just something that popped into my head just now.
And that wire that responds to heat would be perfect to try and include for such a motor.
Would spraying rust help increase the temperature and it could be continuously recycled.
What would happen if you increase the voltage of the electrostatic field to over 100 thousand or more volts. Is there a limit to how high you can go with the electrostatic field with no increase in power output.
I suppose the limit is when there is arcing between the plates.
I'm reminded of a rocket stove that generates power to drive a fan to push in more air to increase the efficiency of the generator. Now I know that one uses seebeck effect but why not use both? Slap a couple of peltier coolers on the sides of the exhaust. Scavenge every microwatt and make something neat.
Maybe collectors with large area, instead of a few thin wires, would collect more charge, hence more current?
The NASA free piston Stirling converter can generate 130 watts, why can't we make one that has a normal fire do that?
Browns gas burns hot, does it not?
65% is a huge improvement over the typical
Thomas Townsend Brown flame generator patent two ionized wire ends inside the plume of a rocket create an extreme amount of energy. US3022430A
Power from Pooh.
The Tatarian fire place
-electro hydrodynamics-
methain digester for the flame.(where are the toilets of greko roman building type)
30 metre tower to produce static field 3000v (Moon tower)
replace magnets with staic field. (This video)
maybe ive watched too much tatarian stuff. lol
Why do you not film what is between the metal plates ... result is don't know what you did!
Maybe water cool the magnets
Use a metal ion solution that will evaporate to cool magnets
@@dylaninnes8541 perhaps, and my initial idea was a hollow channel or tubing in the magnet with coolant going through it.
@@ForeverLoveCats yeah if it was a closed system
Very nice try
HHO torch...
about as efficient as a one legged man in a bum kicking contest.......OK, so it works as the principle indicates but going to a more practical method I don't think the British energy companies will drop their current generation schemes and flock to this method.
MHD generators are being used to recover some waste energy in coal burning plants, raising their efficiency. So, power companies do use an advanced and refined version of this.
Instead of volts, let's look at watts
Magnetic fields and fish are not a good combo. Same with using it on planes around birds. They will be flying into the plane. It screws up their sense of flying north.