I think AMD APUs are becoming seriously impressive, what a great second or portable computer for accessing your games library on when away from your main rig. I have a metric tonne of quality games this little beast can run like a champ. You don't have to play the most modernest GPU explodingest game every time and this can play most games ever made perfectly well.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 I completely agree mate. I mean, as a small consolised device goes this has about as much GPU power as 2 PS4s but does it with a much stronger, much much stronger CPU and modern storage. On top of that it's also still a PC, and a reasonably fast one at that.
@@fungo6631 still doesnt make up as much as official drivers unless they are linux unofficial i had 390x about a year ago though the card packs a punch for its age even with modded drivers nimez anermine its not performing as it should which is on par with a rx 580 unless your running the card on linux using proton then it picks up 20 fps in 90% percent of the games i tested over both windows 10/11
Yup. I've been punishing my R9 280 for nearly 10 years, and now these miniPCs can pull off the same performance (if not better) for less wattage in the entire system than my GPU eats up on its own.
@@takehirolol5962 Ah, yes, well certainly if better APUs continue to come out and are placed in more cost effective machines( the example given isn't particularly cost effective) then that would indeed be rather future forward.
@@ser777XD To be fair, the future is constantly becoming the present, and the present is constantly becoming the past, henceforth the future is constantly becoming the past. Just as that quote has now long since become the past.
I have a strong suspicion that we're moving into a new era lo-fi games. Just look at the market conditions: The Steam Deck has created a whole new portable market, monolithic GPUs aren't selling and games like Vampire Survivors and Battlebit Remastered are raking in money hand over fist. The era of the APU may be close at hand, is what I'm saying.
it's because silicon is stagnant so the state of the art barely budges while the low end creeps up on them every year. i remember back in 2008/2009 there was a huge difference in performance between intel GMA X3100 vs. a real GPU- like the former could barely run counter-strike 1.6. today the gap is much smaller.
Don't forget that emulation is getting better and better over time. Being able to play 6th generation and 7th generation console games on the go without sacrificing visual quality or frame rates has been a dream for many and we're basically there now with modern APUs.
Did you take a look at the MINIMUM system requirements of Immortals of Aveum (RTX 2080 Super) and the comparatively more modest requirements of Starfield (GTX 1070Ti)?
i think another reason why these lower graphical quality games are doing so well is that they can spend far less time on textures and models and other stuff and put more time into gameplay, which is more than i can say about a lot of more mainstream game studios today.
Bro I remember when you had -5k subscribers. Always loved your character and the way you shoot your videos. They were part of my bed time routine years and years ago. I always knew in time and after enough people had seen your content you'd do well. So proud of how things are going for you, honestly one of the most deserving on the platform.
It’s a $850 cpu plus board worth $200 ish. I recently built a friend a budget ryzen 5 4600 pc for $400 (case, PSU, 16 gb ram, 1tb ssd nvme) 4600 might not be ideal with its small cache but it was cheap at the time. He had a used 1660 super. But new would be $300. FPS on gta v for example is 115 high settings. Only one I tested for him at 1080. So gauge from there. So budget build no. Still a good video, I left a thumbs up.
You're looking healthy, mate. Been watching your videos since the really early days, and you've always stayed true to your roots. Be proud of what you've accomplished.
Thanks for the demo, second one I watched on this UM790 Pro and I love the temps I have been seeing with stress testing, and now with gaming demoed, it's SO impressive! AMAZING JOB MINIFORUM! What I love about this PC from Minisforum, is that you save so much money for a small machine that has amazing heat dissipation that has this great onboard integrated graphics to get people at least going with an amazing AAA gaming machine, but that you can also invest more later as you would with a full sized desktop and add on an eGPU any time, to turn this small PC into a small form powerful gaming machine with any high end dedicated graphics card. Having 60-65 watt going directly to the CPU only in the eGPU configuration, this machine would perform like a desktop. Both Type-C ports also support Power! Minisforum has really outdone themselves with this machine, and I am anxiously awaiting mine!
@@thefreewayoctopus The 3400G is way better in some games, have no idea why AMD went from 12Vega with Zen2, for 8Vega with Zen3, even with the new node and overclock, it doesn't always wins.
these little mini computers always blow my mind! been thinking of getting one as HTPC and retro emulator for a long time, but turns out I'd probably be able to run a lot more than that with these modern ones! cool :)
@@ДарийФедореев-э7т That’s what I was originally gonna go for but tbh might be nice to play rocket league/war thunder/rimworld/cities skylines in my living room no problem on top of the other stuff, or hell Pis struggle to run PS2 emulation as well. And to run a full desktop version of Windows rather than some Linux build. Like don’t get me wrong the Pi is amazing, but I want a full-on plug and play desktop PC hooked up to my TV with as few compromises as possible outside of size and noise, and I realize that’s my own distinction - the super tiny size and power consumption of something like this is incredible for the specs! I’d rather pay for the convenience, ease of use, what I’m used to (in OS terms), and compatibility with my actual desktop PC for network streaming etc. Not to mention everything else a desktop PC can do easily…I guess I do want more than just a retro emu box but in the tiny form factor - is it ok for me to like this kind of thing?
@@kamikazemelon787 For the price you can get the Minisforum UM790 Pro for right now, you cannot go wrong for future upgrade as well. There is a cheaper option out there, but that one does not support eGPU if you want to add on a high end graphics card later. Minisforum is the best option I have found on the market right now for this chip set at the best price. Beelink has a decent one as well, but it has an odd proprietary power connector, not as good heat dissipation and it's roughly 200-300 more expensive with Minusforum's on sale. I am very impressed with Minusforum's machine overall, for the above mentioned, plus it's smaller, even. After weeks of research (plus I am an IT expert for over 20 years), Minisforum looks like the best choice, and I get mine this week!
I purchased the UM790 PRO version, 64GB with 1TB ssd and its one of the fastest computers I have ever used and this is in contrast to my I7-Intel Gaming machine which sits on the same desk. This mini will game nicely for what you get with this radeon graphics and the Ryzen 9 processor. Very snappy for day to day work, and can still do some gaming. Well done to @minisforum
I remember back in the day I was little, I had bought NFSU2 from some grocery store and it hardly worked at all on my PC, I had thought back then that I just needed more RAM, but it was because I had no graphics card and a Pentium CPU. Considering it was a big old tower PC with loud fans and slow boot up, seeing this tiny system perform is just crazy. I tried so hard to make that game work back then, but on this system, you could probably run 5 of that game at the same time and have 200 fps. So crazy how things have progressed.
Would love to have laptop with this one. Seems like 32GB RAM in dual channel would make sense just to put those 2 more gigs to have total 6 dedicated as VRAM.
It would be nice if they would allow for more RAM to be set aside for VRAM. I don't know how much it can really make use of but I'd like to see 8-12 GB as an option. Put 64GB of RAM in it and that much set aside for VRAM won't matter.
@@ltBanshiro question is why? for example as someone who mostly plays esport titles, aRPG's or Football Manager I seriously would prefer it the way it is, without some not needed dedicated GPU...
I would love to see some tests with configurations such as 64MB vs 1GB vs 4GB. The Vega11 I personally tested did not perform any different between these configs, and I suspect having 6GB or higher option for this gpu would not matter at all.
Great system but I dont like the lack of upgrade ability and mostly the cooling solutions are bad. Im waiting for the 8700G and the Deskmini. So I can put a Noctua L9a on it.
I just bought a laptop with a 7940hs in it - and that APU is insane. The cpu power is incredible and the built in gpu is actually CAPABLE (take nots, Intel). My SC performance with the 7940HS running at 35w is better than the SC performance of my 5900x that runs at like 105w, nuts. The MC difference isn't huge, even though we're talking about 12 cores vs 8 cores. Mine came with LPDDR5 at 6400MHz, hoping to see how it compares vs other configs - like 7500MHz lpddr5x and 5600MHz SO-DIMMm with lower CAS latency. The only thing I'm missing is the option to manually configure my ram.. Tight memory does wonders.
With the $519 pre-order price on this I'm really tempted to pick one up. I've got a soft spot for micro PCs, I use 2 Intel NUCs and a MFF Dell Optiplex as my daily machines around the house to avoid firing up my gaming PC for basic tasks (100ish watts at idle vs. a PC which can do the same basic tasks for 10 watts).
Absolutely amazing. I just picked up one of the Miniforums that you highlighted in this video. What pushed me over the edge was the CPU Passmark score of 30,000+ -- That's an amazing amount of CPU horsepower for only 50 watts of power. That's over half the power of a desktop 5950x even though it only has half the cores. Plus I have confirmed that the new 48GB SODIMM rams work in this device (I picked mine up via Amazon. The Crucial DDR5 48GB SODIMMS)-- which means you can have 96GB of ram running in that little box. That makes it a very powerful workstation on the go.
1:53 Setting the dedicated VRAM to anything higher than the minimum required for the games you play to launch is just a waste of RAM. APUs have allowed the GPU to take however much RAM they require to play the game since the launch of the APU concept. The selector is only there to make games launch when they'd otherwise complain about not having 1/2/4GB+ of VRAM. AMD calls this hUMA or Heterogenius Unified Memory Access; which is part of HSA (Heterogenous System Architecture.) So, most people shouldn't touch that selector unless they experience issues. If anything, they should turn it down until they have a game fail to launch.
The 680m and 780m are amazing but unfortunately pricing is the problem which seriously disturbs the value proposition. .The Vega apus had a better value proposition as the Ryzen 5 came with vega 8 which was pretty good at the time but now to get these powerful igpus we have to go beyond Ryzen 5. .the good stuff is limited to premium tier when it comes to laptops and the affordable apus cut the cu count on the igpu significantly reducing performance like the 660m and much worse 610m. .Great Video as always!!
Yeah 400 usd for 680m is indeed great. .but such mini pcs are unfortunately not popular where I live. . these apus are found only in laptops and the rdna2 apus are featured only in the premium tier notebooks. .the vega apus were much more affordable than these at launch. .I love the performance these lil champs put out but sadly price goes beyond logic
It doesn't matter how much memory you assign to the iGPU, as it will automatically use more on demand! On the other hand, RAM that's exclusively allocated for GPU use, isn't available as RAM anymore. So except when a title tries to be "smart" and refuses to launch when it doesn't detect enough statically allocated vram, turn that setting as low as you can. Btw, you were seeing dips in Forza because you used all of the 12GB of RAM available for applications, plus all of the reserved vram, and it started swapping. RDR2 is pegged at 12GB system RAM use and may start swapping aswell, while the allocated VRAM pool remained nearly empty with 400 megs of usage -> 3.6GiB RAM wasted and unusable for the application.
I agree, but 4 GB is still fairly conservative given the state of modern games and how high the settings can be set on that chip. The better idea may be to just jump to 32GB of RAM to better deal with all the games that are optimized for 16GB RAM systems so they dont get choked.
@@builder396 More RAM would be the optimal solution, but for anyone not able or willing to spend money, loweing UMA reservation can be beneficial aswell.
Esa integrada RDNA3 con Lossless Scaling o Magpie , en los juegos No e-sports , podes jugarlos en 1080p o 720p a alta tasa de refresco 144+ increíble sinceramente.
what drivers did you use? i understand that there's only a beta driver for rdna3 apus. i'm waiting for a mini system with the same apu to be delivered in a few days, i could use pointers.
The AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS supports up 256GB of memory, so I was surprised to see in the bios that the max memory you can allocate for graphics was 8GB. With 32GB and 64GB kits being affordable these days why not 16 or 32GB allocation? 🤔
Because it makes no difference to performance. On dedicated GPU's running out of dedicated Vram means going through the PCIE bus to system memory which has a massive latency and bandwidth penalty. If you set an iGPU framebuffer to 512MB and it overflows.... well it does the exact same thing and uses more system ram except there's no performance penalty because through UMA its already doing that. So the benefit is by only allocating say 1GB you now have 15GB system ram instead of only say 8-12GB which if you run out of that you end up using you page file on your SSD which eats into its write endurance aswell as obviously being slower.
@@riyu6372 Thank you for reply. This is one of the issues with gamers these days, is to do as you are told and accept 1080p gaming is brilliant. 1080p came out over 20+ years ago. Surely, we should be at 4K 60FPS on medium settings by now?
Nice minisforum really stepped up there cooling solution from the 7735hs with the 680m this thing gets so hot that the system throttling after 20 min of gaming and now with there new 780m system the cpu/gpu pulls 65 watts and with really cool temperatures nice little thing
would have been nice to see a comparison of similar/older configurations. I realize that requires that much more testing but it would be more meaningful than testing a single product in a vacuum.
I may be doing something wrong but I would have thought they'd be an option to check for updated AMD graphic drivers like Nvidia has with their Geforce experience software. I can't seem to find such an option within the AMD Adrenalin software?
My Minisforum UM790 Pro (32GB, 1TB) keeps freezing a few times per day; blue screen of death or just becomes unresponsive, with the monitor going completely dark. I do not know why.
WOW is that incredible. I cannot believe the RT cores on this iGPU are that powerful! Incredible that RTX Minecraft gets 20 Fps average. I played Zelda OOT at 20 Fps and had no issue with it lol.
@@vince943 Yeah that was the good ol days on the N64, where 24 Fps was still OK in many games and unless you had a high end PC ? You wouldn't know the difference. I had a mid level PC. PII 350, 100 Mhz FSB, 512MB 100 Mhz SDRAM, 20 GB Maxtor 7200RPM HDD, ATI Rage 128 ZX AGP, VooDoo 2 3000 12MB. At that time UltraHLE came out and could run Mario 64 at 60fps on my machine which was amazing. I could use the VooDoo for full speed or a Glide-Wrapper for my ATI built in AGP 2x accelerator. And I have to say, THe only thing I liked better was how crisp it looked on a CRT monitor of the time compared to a console TV.
Hmmm...I wonder if you had used performance mode for Fortnite, like the pros, if it would have locked at 120hz or 144hz. It'd be interesting to see if it's possible with the 780m. If so it'd make a great E-Sports chip and the UM790 itself a great entry level gaming PC.
Just received this unit late late week. It is a fantastic unit so far. Performs and games really well. My only complaint is the onboard wifi/bluetooth Intel Killer Wifi module. It is anything but "killer". Otherwise a fantastic unit so far, no other issues.
Would be please consider upgrading the system to 32GB and trying it with 6GB of VRAM just for comparison? Would be great to see if 4GB can even bottleneck a APU.
this would be the perfect emulation box for ps2 games or even xbox or xbox360 games id like to see its abilities when doing hardware emulation; a lot of people are getting nostalgic for the older games out there and are wanting to play them more and more
now for me the question is how well will it run 7 days to die? my mother has a minisforum with the ryzen 5 pro 2500g and it barelly runs on there so how does this fair? problem with this kind of game is you need to play it for quit some time before you can say how it runs as the performance goes down as you play longer
Great video and really Impressive results. So peformance is equal to gtx1060 or something close to it!!! And with only 65 watts for both GPU and CPU! Good for AMD!
My brother was going to buy a steam deck for the crazy prices in Australia a few months ago, but he couldn't find a place that wasn't just preorders at the time.. I think he's gonna be glad he got a gaming laptop and decided to wait on the handheld stuff... the tech is advancing quite quickly.
Uh… laptop tech is very similar to handheld tech lol, if not literally the same in many cases. Not to say it’s necessarily a bad time to buy a gaming laptop, it’s about as good a time as any other, but acting like he’s immune from the inevitable obsolescence is a bit silly.
When talking about this form factor and a 780m, I think you should definitely also look into emulation, even if just a little bit. This thing can emulate PS3 without a hitch and can do most Switch games in 4K with upgraded high res shaders and textures....
I think AMD APUs are becoming seriously impressive, what a great second or portable computer for accessing your games library on when away from your main rig. I have a metric tonne of quality games this little beast can run like a champ. You don't have to play the most modernest GPU explodingest game every time and this can play most games ever made perfectly well.
This is often overlooked in the pc gaming community.
Next year's Strix-Halo APU will be a beast.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216
I completely agree mate. I mean, as a small consolised device goes this has about as much GPU power as 2 PS4s but does it with a much stronger, much much stronger CPU and modern storage. On top of that it's also still a PC, and a reasonably fast one at that.
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I'll have a look at it. Thanks.
For this scenario why dont you buy a notebook that could you buy cheaper or the same price depending on local offers?
I got a UM773 with a Ryzen 7 7735HS and a 680m. It does match old R9 290x while consuming like 1/6th the power. It's insane
@@garrusvakarian8709 680M ...almost the same? not exactly
680m is nowhere even near a 290x which is around 50% faster. The only way it can outperform it is if 290x gets very vram limited.
@@araakin no driver support levels the playingfield
@@josephdias5859 There are modded drivers, though.
@@fungo6631 still doesnt make up as much as official drivers unless they are linux unofficial i had 390x about a year ago though the card packs a punch for its age even with modded drivers nimez anermine its not performing as it should which is on par with a rx 580 unless your running the card on linux using proton then it picks up 20 fps in 90% percent of the games i tested over both windows 10/11
I find it crazy that the 780M iGPU is performing closely to my old GPU the R9 290X which drew near 300w.
The whole computer is around the price of a console with console performance (last gen, but still impressive)
Yup. I've been punishing my R9 280 for nearly 10 years, and now these miniPCs can pull off the same performance (if not better) for less wattage in the entire system than my GPU eats up on its own.
Holy crap, that's pretty damn impressive for integrated graphics.
and the cost?
@@BenState check the links
@@BenState I was talking about the fact that it's an iGPU. Never mentioned a price being good or bad.
@@BenState 500 Pounds for barebone. Way to overprice.
@@pengu6335 people use igpus because they can't afford a dedicated gpu, this one defeats the whole purpose of cost
Well...this is the future.
Actually this is the present, and in a year it'll be the past.
@@visiblydisturbed1688 Hahahaha, I meant AMD and it's plan to only have APUs on specific lower end segments.
As one great show told me once "The future is now old man" *punches you in the balls*
@@takehirolol5962 Ah, yes, well certainly if better APUs continue to come out and are placed in more cost effective machines( the example given isn't particularly cost effective) then that would indeed be rather future forward.
@@ser777XD To be fair, the future is constantly becoming the present, and the present is constantly becoming the past, henceforth the future is constantly becoming the past. Just as that quote has now long since become the past.
New video already? You never cease to amaze me. You're a wonderful human being.
Dude you look better now than you were a couple of years ago. Good for you bro
I was litterly looking for exactly this a few days ago. Thank you so much for making this video :) what a coincidence!
I have a strong suspicion that we're moving into a new era lo-fi games. Just look at the market conditions: The Steam Deck has created a whole new portable market, monolithic GPUs aren't selling and games like Vampire Survivors and Battlebit Remastered are raking in money hand over fist.
The era of the APU may be close at hand, is what I'm saying.
The low end will always dominate because people are broke. Not a new era.
it's because silicon is stagnant so the state of the art barely budges while the low end creeps up on them every year. i remember back in 2008/2009 there was a huge difference in performance between intel GMA X3100 vs. a real GPU- like the former could barely run counter-strike 1.6. today the gap is much smaller.
Don't forget that emulation is getting better and better over time. Being able to play 6th generation and 7th generation console games on the go without sacrificing visual quality or frame rates has been a dream for many and we're basically there now with modern APUs.
Did you take a look at the MINIMUM system requirements of Immortals of Aveum (RTX 2080 Super) and the comparatively more modest requirements of Starfield (GTX 1070Ti)?
i think another reason why these lower graphical quality games are doing so well is that they can spend far less time on textures and models and other stuff and put more time into gameplay, which is more than i can say about a lot of more mainstream game studios today.
Never felt disapointed by your videos, allways interesting
this channel is the best for budget gamers I love your knowledge in all of these gpus and CPU parts and targeting the budget gamers!
A really interesting idea for this APU is to see how well it stacks up against older flagships, midrange and even modern entry GPUs.
It seems to range from 1050ti to gtx 970, depending on the game and ram speed
@@Frozoken It outperformed my GTX 1080 at 1440p in RDR2
@TheLordzGamer that's cap buddy 💀💀💀💀. Ur 1080 limited to 3 watts or something?
Always nice to see your face! Missed it in the last couple of videos.
Bro I remember when you had -5k subscribers. Always loved your character and the way you shoot your videos. They were part of my bed time routine years and years ago. I always knew in time and after enough people had seen your content you'd do well. So proud of how things are going for you, honestly one of the most deserving on the platform.
Would be interesting to see how does this mini pc compared to some budget GPUs like 1050ti, 1650, 1060.
about on par with a 1650
@@xtr.7662So it is still too weak.
More like 1650 super esp with 65 watts
@@xtr.7662 1650 Mobile*
It’s a $850 cpu plus board worth $200 ish. I recently built a friend a budget ryzen 5 4600 pc for $400 (case, PSU, 16 gb ram, 1tb ssd nvme) 4600 might not be ideal with its small cache but it was cheap at the time. He had a used 1660 super. But new would be $300. FPS on gta v for example is 115 high settings. Only one I tested for him at 1080. So gauge from there. So budget build no.
Still a good video, I left a thumbs up.
You're looking healthy, mate. Been watching your videos since the really early days, and you've always stayed true to your roots. Be proud of what you've accomplished.
Thanks for sticking around 😁
I’ve been wanting to see this for some time!
Thanks
Thanks for the demo, second one I watched on this UM790 Pro and I love the temps I have been seeing with stress testing, and now with gaming demoed, it's SO impressive! AMAZING JOB MINIFORUM!
What I love about this PC from Minisforum, is that you save so much money for a small machine that has amazing heat dissipation that has this great onboard integrated graphics to get people at least going with an amazing AAA gaming machine, but that you can also invest more later as you would with a full sized desktop and add on an eGPU any time, to turn this small PC into a small form powerful gaming machine with any high end dedicated graphics card. Having 60-65 watt going directly to the CPU only in the eGPU configuration, this machine would perform like a desktop. Both Type-C ports also support Power! Minisforum has really outdone themselves with this machine, and I am anxiously awaiting mine!
nice
Incredible performance from such a tiny machine.
Great video!
Looking forward to the 780M vs 680M, will be interesting to see how much generational performance gain there's been :)
Yeah definitely
maybe also include the 5700G in there to see how it compares to the best of the vega APUs as well, would be interesting I think
RDNA3 isnt faster than RDNA2 only difference is clockspeed
@@BonusCrookRDNA3 is faster than RDNA2... I have both. It's not just clock speed.
@@thefreewayoctopus The 3400G is way better in some games, have no idea why AMD went from 12Vega with Zen2, for 8Vega with Zen3, even with the new node and overclock, it doesn't always wins.
these little mini computers always blow my mind! been thinking of getting one as HTPC and retro emulator for a long time, but turns out I'd probably be able to run a lot more than that with these modern ones! cool :)
for HTPC and retro games this one is helluva overkill, just get yourself a Raspberry Pi and you'll be fine.
@@ДарийФедореев-э7т That’s what I was originally gonna go for but tbh might be nice to play rocket league/war thunder/rimworld/cities skylines in my living room no problem on top of the other stuff, or hell Pis struggle to run PS2 emulation as well. And to run a full desktop version of Windows rather than some Linux build. Like don’t get me wrong the Pi is amazing, but I want a full-on plug and play desktop PC hooked up to my TV with as few compromises as possible outside of size and noise, and I realize that’s my own distinction - the super tiny size and power consumption of something like this is incredible for the specs! I’d rather pay for the convenience, ease of use, what I’m used to (in OS terms), and compatibility with my actual desktop PC for network streaming etc. Not to mention everything else a desktop PC can do easily…I guess I do want more than just a retro emu box but in the tiny form factor - is it ok for me to like this kind of thing?
@@kamikazemelon787 For the price you can get the Minisforum UM790 Pro for right now, you cannot go wrong for future upgrade as well. There is a cheaper option out there, but that one does not support eGPU if you want to add on a high end graphics card later. Minisforum is the best option I have found on the market right now for this chip set at the best price. Beelink has a decent one as well, but it has an odd proprietary power connector, not as good heat dissipation and it's roughly 200-300 more expensive with Minusforum's on sale. I am very impressed with Minusforum's machine overall, for the above mentioned, plus it's smaller, even. After weeks of research (plus I am an IT expert for over 20 years), Minisforum looks like the best choice, and I get mine this week!
I used to watch your videos a few years ago; it's nice to see how far you've come! Nice video :)
I purchased the UM790 PRO version, 64GB with 1TB ssd and its one of the fastest computers I have ever used and this is in contrast to my I7-Intel Gaming machine which sits on the same desk. This mini will game nicely for what you get with this radeon graphics and the Ryzen 9 processor. Very snappy for day to day work, and can still do some gaming. Well done to @minisforum
Would be nice to see more Ray Tracing tests. These new APUs RAs should have 50% higher performance. Shold be able to turn on 1 or some RT settings
Yeah will do more RT tests for sure
love your videos, much love from Austria!
Thanks so much!
Man i remember when vega 11 was the best integrated graphics
I remember a computer tech once telling me his dream build would be a pentium 4
@@enriquecabrera2137 shit I remember taking apart a machine with a geforce 4 ti not a gtx card a literal geforce 4 ti
@@enriquecabrera2137 also taken apart an SGI fuel
I remember back in the day I was little, I had bought NFSU2 from some grocery store and it hardly worked at all on my PC, I had thought back then that I just needed more RAM, but it was because I had no graphics card and a Pentium CPU. Considering it was a big old tower PC with loud fans and slow boot up, seeing this tiny system perform is just crazy. I tried so hard to make that game work back then, but on this system, you could probably run 5 of that game at the same time and have 200 fps. So crazy how things have progressed.
Damn 500k subs now 🎉🎉
Would love to have laptop with this one. Seems like 32GB RAM in dual channel would make sense just to put those 2 more gigs to have total 6 dedicated as VRAM.
It would be nice if they would allow for more RAM to be set aside for VRAM. I don't know how much it can really make use of but I'd like to see 8-12 GB as an option. Put 64GB of RAM in it and that much set aside for VRAM won't matter.
@@406Steven cries in 8gb 3070ti
The majority of laptops with this APU are paired with better dedicated graphics
@@ltBanshiro question is why? for example as someone who mostly plays esport titles, aRPG's or Football Manager I seriously would prefer it the way it is, without some not needed dedicated GPU...
I would love to see some tests with configurations such as 64MB vs 1GB vs 4GB. The Vega11 I personally tested did not perform any different between these configs, and I suspect having 6GB or higher option for this gpu would not matter at all.
Great system but I dont like the lack of upgrade ability and mostly the cooling solutions are bad. Im waiting for the 8700G and the Deskmini. So I can put a Noctua L9a on it.
so basically this is what is going into the 8000g series?
Nice!
I can't wait to see more improvements!
I just bought a laptop with a 7940hs in it - and that APU is insane. The cpu power is incredible and the built in gpu is actually CAPABLE (take nots, Intel).
My SC performance with the 7940HS running at 35w is better than the SC performance of my 5900x that runs at like 105w, nuts. The MC difference isn't huge, even though we're talking about 12 cores vs 8 cores.
Mine came with LPDDR5 at 6400MHz, hoping to see how it compares vs other configs - like 7500MHz lpddr5x and 5600MHz SO-DIMMm with lower CAS latency.
The only thing I'm missing is the option to manually configure my ram..
Tight memory does wonders.
With the $519 pre-order price on this I'm really tempted to pick one up. I've got a soft spot for micro PCs, I use 2 Intel NUCs and a MFF Dell Optiplex as my daily machines around the house to avoid firing up my gaming PC for basic tasks (100ish watts at idle vs. a PC which can do the same basic tasks for 10 watts).
This is seriously impressive
What an incredibly impressive iGPU, and a great video as always :)
Absolutely amazing. I just picked up one of the Miniforums that you highlighted in this video. What pushed me over the edge was the CPU Passmark score of 30,000+ -- That's an amazing amount of CPU horsepower for only 50 watts of power. That's over half the power of a desktop 5950x even though it only has half the cores.
Plus I have confirmed that the new 48GB SODIMM rams work in this device (I picked mine up via Amazon. The Crucial DDR5 48GB SODIMMS)-- which means you can have 96GB of ram running in that little box. That makes it a very powerful workstation on the go.
1:53 Setting the dedicated VRAM to anything higher than the minimum required for the games you play to launch is just a waste of RAM.
APUs have allowed the GPU to take however much RAM they require to play the game since the launch of the APU concept.
The selector is only there to make games launch when they'd otherwise complain about not having 1/2/4GB+ of VRAM.
AMD calls this hUMA or Heterogenius Unified Memory Access; which is part of HSA (Heterogenous System Architecture.)
So, most people shouldn't touch that selector unless they experience issues.
If anything, they should turn it down until they have a game fail to launch.
It seems to be somewhere between an rx 560 and rx 570 in terms of performance which is seriously impressive
Would love to see if turning off some CPU cores allows more watts to go to the graphics part of the APU, as that’s the bottleneck.
This. Waiting for this apu to actually be paired with a cpu that makes sense.
I have a Morefine M600 with the 7840hs in the mail from China, should get it in 2 weeks. I can't wait to try it out!
Great video, love seeing this little beast.
You and me both!
That's actually insane that it could do ray tracing. Even at 20fps at 720p, that's still impressive
Would love see to more on this with low tdp to show the difference in noise/wattage/performance vs balanced/performance modes
You're the ONLY TH-camr that shows love to iGPUs :(
The 680m and 780m are amazing but unfortunately pricing is the problem which seriously disturbs the value proposition. .The Vega apus had a better value proposition as the Ryzen 5 came with vega 8 which was pretty good at the time but now to get these powerful igpus we have to go beyond Ryzen 5. .the good stuff is limited to premium tier when it comes to laptops and the affordable apus cut the cu count on the igpu significantly reducing performance like the 660m and much worse 610m. .Great Video as always!!
Can get the minisforum with a 680m for under 400. Great value. This one is expensive as it has a Ryzen 9. When the 5/7 come out will be cheaper.
Yeah 400 usd for 680m is indeed great. .but such mini pcs are unfortunately not popular where I live. . these apus are found only in laptops and the rdna2 apus are featured only in the premium tier notebooks. .the vega apus were much more affordable than these at launch. .I love the performance these lil champs put out but sadly price goes beyond logic
Undoubtedly, the best iGPU mini PC in the World. Good video.
This IGPU has nearly the same performance as my old AMD R9 FURY. Only difference is this IGPU uses roughly 200-250 less watts, incredible.
It doesn't matter how much memory you assign to the iGPU, as it will automatically use more on demand! On the other hand, RAM that's exclusively allocated for GPU use, isn't available as RAM anymore. So except when a title tries to be "smart" and refuses to launch when it doesn't detect enough statically allocated vram, turn that setting as low as you can.
Btw, you were seeing dips in Forza because you used all of the 12GB of RAM available for applications, plus all of the reserved vram, and it started swapping. RDR2 is pegged at 12GB system RAM use and may start swapping aswell, while the allocated VRAM pool remained nearly empty with 400 megs of usage -> 3.6GiB RAM wasted and unusable for the application.
I agree, but 4 GB is still fairly conservative given the state of modern games and how high the settings can be set on that chip.
The better idea may be to just jump to 32GB of RAM to better deal with all the games that are optimized for 16GB RAM systems so they dont get choked.
@@builder396 More RAM would be the optimal solution, but for anyone not able or willing to spend money, loweing UMA reservation can be beneficial aswell.
This IGPU is on the same level of a RX 570, I think?
Esa integrada RDNA3 con Lossless Scaling o Magpie , en los juegos No e-sports , podes jugarlos en 1080p o 720p a alta tasa de refresco 144+ increíble sinceramente.
what drivers did you use? i understand that there's only a beta driver for rdna3 apus. i'm waiting for a mini system with the same apu to be delivered in a few days, i could use pointers.
Hi ! What about the noise at performance mode while playing ?
Love your vids !
I have an RX 5600 (non XT Dell OEM) 6GB GDDR6. Would be perfect to test against your 5500. Do you want to borrow it before I put it in a PC?
The power density of these little boxes is absolutely incredible.
The AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS supports up 256GB of memory, so I was surprised to see in the bios that the max memory you can allocate for graphics was 8GB. With 32GB and 64GB kits being affordable these days why not 16 or 32GB allocation? 🤔
Why would you need 16gb's of vram for a gpu that can't really play anything over 1080p? 8gb's is already a lot
Because it makes no difference to performance.
On dedicated GPU's running out of dedicated Vram means going through the PCIE bus to system memory which has a massive latency and bandwidth penalty.
If you set an iGPU framebuffer to 512MB and it overflows.... well it does the exact same thing and uses more system ram except there's no performance penalty because through UMA its already doing that.
So the benefit is by only allocating say 1GB you now have 15GB system ram instead of only say 8-12GB which if you run out of that you end up using you page file on your SSD which eats into its write endurance aswell as obviously being slower.
@@riyu6372 Thank you for reply. This is one of the issues with gamers these days, is to do as you are told and accept 1080p gaming is brilliant. 1080p came out over 20+ years ago. Surely, we should be at 4K 60FPS on medium settings by now?
I had an a10 7870k (gcn) when i was 15, it was alright at 720p and even 1080p for csgo, now seeing rdna3 performance seems unreal
Imagine being able to just take one of these to a LAN party! Impressive.
Impressive - thank you.
These mini Ryzen PCs are a actual dream for me.
Why not just get a 7840u laptop? Same gpu performance.
@@BonusCrook This is not available in Brazil unfortunately
Wish you would include overall power consumption at the wall
Nobody says anything about how they connected the PC and Display.
Or which Display was used.
Strange.
Can't wait to see the full desktop lineup of these apus.
Nice minisforum really stepped up there cooling solution from the 7735hs with the 680m this thing gets so hot that the system throttling after 20 min of gaming and now with there new 780m system the cpu/gpu pulls 65 watts and with really cool temperatures nice little thing
I missed the first 35 seconds because I was comparing the time difference between the video and the recorded audio in the background on your PC
it's amazing that such an entry level machine can run AAA titles with pretty good performance
entry level?
Can you try with 32gb of ran and 8gb vram for the igpu?
El R9 7940HS tiene la misma 780M que el R7 8700G? 🤔🤔
Good video it's a nice little machine.
If we could get this on a desktop chip, that'd be nice. Great start for a build I could make for my son.
hay!! could you do something like avarage gaming PC from 5-10 years ago vs today's?
Impressiv how far iGPU did come since Llano. AMD we don´t ask for much 1080p 60 high is enough
Yeah there’s a special place in my heart for llano though haha
would have been nice to see a comparison of similar/older configurations. I realize that requires that much more testing but it would be more meaningful than testing a single product in a vacuum.
I may be doing something wrong but I would have thought they'd be an option to check for updated AMD graphic drivers like Nvidia has with their Geforce experience software. I can't seem to find such an option within the AMD Adrenalin software?
I love your license plate in forze lol long live the 3000g!
My Minisforum UM790 Pro (32GB, 1TB) keeps freezing a few times per day; blue screen of death or just becomes unresponsive, with the monitor going completely dark. I do not know why.
WOW is that incredible. I cannot believe the RT cores on this iGPU are that powerful! Incredible that RTX Minecraft gets 20 Fps average. I played Zelda OOT at 20 Fps and had no issue with it lol.
nice
@@vince943 Yeah that was the good ol days on the N64, where 24 Fps was still OK in many games and unless you had a high end PC ? You wouldn't know the difference. I had a mid level PC. PII 350, 100 Mhz FSB, 512MB 100 Mhz SDRAM, 20 GB Maxtor 7200RPM HDD, ATI Rage 128 ZX AGP, VooDoo 2 3000 12MB. At that time UltraHLE came out and could run Mario 64 at 60fps on my machine which was amazing. I could use the VooDoo for full speed or a Glide-Wrapper for my ATI built in AGP 2x accelerator. And I have to say, THe only thing I liked better was how crisp it looked on a CRT monitor of the time compared to a console TV.
Quite impressed with its Minecraft ray tracing performance
Why you did not open it to show what's inside?
Hmmm...I wonder if you had used performance mode for Fortnite, like the pros, if it would have locked at 120hz or 144hz. It'd be interesting to see if it's possible with the 780m. If so it'd make a great E-Sports chip and the UM790 itself a great entry level gaming PC.
I don't know how these manufacturers pump these mini PCs out so fast, they have down to a science.
Almost too good to be true. This is amazing.
this is wild
If u have 32gb of ram can u set it t0 8gb to the dedicated Vram in the BIOS?😊
Cyberpunk 2077 1080p 60fps??? This really is the beast of iGPU's!
Yeah really surprised by that
This is the only exciting part of pc tech for me now, the apu stuff
Just received this unit late late week. It is a fantastic unit so far. Performs and games really well. My only complaint is the onboard wifi/bluetooth Intel Killer Wifi module. It is anything but "killer". Otherwise a fantastic unit so far, no other issues.
So what is 1080p FSR? Rendering at 1080p then upscaling to resolution X? Or rendering at resolution Y then upscaling to 1080p?
How come the reading for VRAM is around 400mb with Red Dead?
Would be please consider upgrading the system to 32GB and trying it with 6GB of VRAM just for comparison? Would be great to see if 4GB can even bottleneck a APU.
this would be the perfect emulation box for ps2 games or even xbox or xbox360 games
id like to see its abilities when doing hardware emulation; a lot of people are getting nostalgic for the older games out there and are wanting to play them more and more
now for me the question is how well will it run 7 days to die? my mother has a minisforum with the ryzen 5 pro 2500g and it barelly runs on there so how does this fair? problem with this kind of game is you need to play it for quit some time before you can say how it runs as the performance goes down as you play longer
Great video and really Impressive results. So peformance is equal to gtx1060 or something close to it!!! And with only 65 watts for both GPU and CPU! Good for AMD!
Yeah I think the 1650 is the closest competitor from I’ve read but I’ll have a few tests soon!
@@RandomGaminginHDSomething to look forward to then! Always enjoy your videos. Good luck!
I have a Ryzen 9 with 780m graphics and cant get it to play at all. All latest drivers installed, could anyone suggest a fix.
My brother was going to buy a steam deck for the crazy prices in Australia a few months ago, but he couldn't find a place that wasn't just preorders at the time.. I think he's gonna be glad he got a gaming laptop and decided to wait on the handheld stuff... the tech is advancing quite quickly.
Uh… laptop tech is very similar to handheld tech lol, if not literally the same in many cases. Not to say it’s necessarily a bad time to buy a gaming laptop, it’s about as good a time as any other, but acting like he’s immune from the inevitable obsolescence is a bit silly.
how about drivers, minisforum got not beta april drivers for 7840hs/igpu780m?
Considering it can do RT at 20fps and with less than 50w, I imagine it would well go over 60 if it was able to use more power, around 100 or 150W.
It's crazy how you can pack so much computing grunt in such a small box.
When talking about this form factor and a 780m, I think you should definitely also look into emulation, even if just a little bit. This thing can emulate PS3 without a hitch and can do most Switch games in 4K with upgraded high res shaders and textures....