All hail jimmy dore Bernie has betrayed the left all the left is working Evily they voted cares act a evil law they been “nagotiating” they don’t no how to do they do no but they don’t cause evil
I’m very far left and from philly but I’m Republicans in the issue of flag burning I see terrible things when I look at the us flag I see all the democrats that betrayed this country in the name of big biussness I love burning the flag I don’t like republicans either cops r bad for white people I care about all people cops kill dogs and destroy houses for no reason
I just support all local farmers if I lived in coasta rica or Nicaragua I’d feel different about suger but in places like pa and Nebraska there is no excuse for suger eating just eat the damn corn suger alright
You are so right when it comes to NordVPN being speedy compared to other VPNs! I really like it and I had a ton of connection problems with Zenmate and CyberGhost as well (also CyberGhost is Germany based so part of 5 eyes. But anyways, very happy that I'm somehow indirectly supporting you Josh! (and the team)
Kind of like the division between China and Taiwan. There’s now serious escalation between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
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UK has 9/10 of the poorest regions in Northern Europe, & central London is richest part of Europe. The difference between Emilia-Romagna & Calabria are almost 1st world & 3rd. There are equally or arguably more divided part of european countries.
@@akashshaji6497 Look it up mate. You know England used to be part of Danish Kingdoms? Scotland rules by Norwegian queen. You are arguing with some who is from there.
I can see his point. A lot of the people who grew up in the east probably have a set view of the world and it’s going to be very difficult to change that. Thing is that their views will continue to be passed down the generations by parents to children and it will probably take many generations for the east and west to be truely integrated.
But right now you see that even among the generation born in the 80s and 90s, there are still huge differences, especially when it comes to politics. Ironically, the West is much more leftist now and the East doesn't really get this and has become very conservative.
Relieved I was born in 81 ;) I did also leave the country to live abroad. The video is pretty accurate and there is still an unfortunate difference between East and West Germany.
As a Bavarian who is also a Historian on Contemporary German History, who both has Family that lived in West and East Germany and seeing People in the Comments who question that the Eastern Germans have it harder even after the Fall of the Wall. They do indeed, even today still have it harder, especially economically, since the East was basically a Semi Soviet Puppet State and just like the others, once the Soviet Union met it's Demise, they had to start from anew. So naturally Eastern Germany is less wealthy and less economically balanced than the West, which had proper Growth without Interruption since the 1950s. For example i remember as a Kid here in the Bavarian Alps that a lot of Eastern German Kids suddenly showed up in our Elementary School during the whole 1990s. Simply because there were no Opportunities in the former Eastern Germany, and others moved away from there because of bad Experiences. This is also why i always find it rather disgusting when the typical Western German Politician (no matter the Party) judges Eastern Germans regarding their Votes, and as this Video shows, many Eastern Germans either vote for Die Linke (The Left) or the AFD (The Right), which makes Sense when you got barely any Opportunities while simultaneously the Politicians of the Establishment Left (The Social Democrats) and Establishment Right (Conservative Democrats) judge, insult and attack them for voting either for the AFD or Die Linke. The same goes for all the privileged and usually City-living Twitter Folk (usually Students who btw. also include People from the Left and the Right). You definitely don't help the Eastern Germans by judging them for who they vote for and calling them "uneducated". So yes, Eastern German States definitely need more Help from the Gouvernment and less being called "Communist" or "Nazi" because of who they vote for in their economical Desperation. All of that said, great Video as usual! Prost and Cheers from the currently very very cold Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
@@domenstrmsek5625 In most former communist countries a substantial part of the population misses the old system. Communism wasn't tht bad for some because then they had security, stability, no unemplyment and low crime. The restructuring caused mass unemployment and instability, so it's not tht surprising. While life under communism certainly wasn't free it certainly wasn't that bad relatively speaking.
@@drunkensailor3736 yeah I now How that going my mother was born in Yugoslavia and I love to ask a questions about them. And I now what is success of socialist economies but this are weakness of it in the end this would crash as house of cards and different more far right regimes would flow. I think and I hope that new left going more in steps of democracies and more equally public spending!
East German here. Very accurate video. I'd like to add a few things: In my opinion, the Treuhand (trust fund) did a necessary but sometimes terrible job. While it is absolutly clear that most GDR company have no chance to survive in the West, there were some companies which were okay and given a certain investment to modernize and some time to adapt, they could have survived. For example, in my area, there was an agglomeration of the most advanced IT companies in the whole Eastern Block. None survived. Only some knowlegde was transferred to found new companies which are producing solar panels and silicon products (we call it "Silicon Saxony" now, no joke.) But this survival would have meant two things: Competition for the West German industry and many people could have stayed in the East rather than emigrating to the West. This would have helped a lot, since the East lost 2 Mio people (out of 17 Mio in 1990). But the West German industry naturally had a lot to say in the reunification process, so the Treuhand shot down much more than necessary. The East was practically deindustrialized within a few years. Another thing is the fact that until this day, many West Germans don't really get the East. This includes West Germans who live in the East for years now. I'm always shocked how ignorant/uneducated they can be when it comes to experiences with the GDR and the reunifcation. Many have no idea what emotional scars it leaves behind when you see the country you grew up in being dissolved by the former enemy. This got nothing to do with politics. Imagine being born in 1945. So in 1990, you are 45 years old. You grew up in the East, got used to it, maybe don't like the system, but you have your job, your family, and your children get a good education. And suddenly, you lose your job, your company goes bankrupt, your country ceases to exist, many friends leave and those arrogant dudes from the West tell you how everything was terrible and how to do things better. Thats a very hard pill to swallow. My granddads couldn't swallow it. They never got over it. And one of them really hated those damn communists. To finish with something positive: One of my former professors, a West German, once said that the East German students are much more disciplined and not as lazy as their western counterparts. :D
I hope you understand how Eastern Europeans feel when you treat them like trash when they immigrate to study/work in Western Europe. It's incredibly humiliating to be told you're not as intelligent, not as good as them just because you come from a place whose political system was ineffective and destroyed yours and your parents' lives.
I read somewhere that those from the west, retired and nearing retirement are buying nice home's in the former DDR area's at prices far less then the west. There are some small but world class companies, Nomos, A. Lange & Sohne, Glashutte Original as well as Jenoptik. I do believe they could be the exception and not the rule.
Squandering military equipment for nothing didn't help either, where it could have been used to reinvest into the economy. Selling 22 of Mig-29's for 22 euros while each was worth at least 6M euros is a complete joke.
Thank you for writing all this information out. It was very helpful. I've always wondered, but was hesitant to ask how the east and west managed to reconcile after 45 years of being split apart. Is there hostility between the people today? When the reunification occurred was there suspicion towards the other side? What about the history of Germany? How was it taught in schools in the east versus the west before the fall of the Berlin Wall? I have a million questions, but I think I've already asked enough. There is so much America can learn from this very unique situation. Thanks again!
Kind of like the division between China and Taiwan. There’s now serious escalation between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
The internet may aid in dissolving the divide faster than in Germany. Remember, when the Berlin Wall fell, there was no internet. The first thing Korea should do is establish a cell/internet network in North Korea to disseminate free information faster than any public education system could ever hope to achieve. Let the North Koreans educate themselves at an unprecedented rate from TH-cam University. North Koreans will be floss dancing and Tik Toking in no time.
Maybe if they did a one country two systems (unequal treatment) experiment, disallowing migration for maybe 50 years. South Korean manufacturing and farming industries can take advantage of cheap North Korean labour.
The shock they could experience could be similar like in Germany fertility rate: www.researchgate.net/profile/Holger_Von_Der_Lippe/publication/27458386/figure/fig2/AS:644696858701825@1530719117728/Total-Fertility-Rate-East-and-West-Germany-1980-2000-Source-Statistisches-Bundesamt.png South Korea's total fertility rate hit a record low already (0.92 in 2019), so it would be really bad I think...
Always good stuff but they should talk about the recent tensions between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
the best way to unify them two would be to have nk remain an independent country under un trustee for at least 50 years so it is gradual rather than try to do it fast, and what ever happens sk should really be saving for it because what ever lays ahead in the future weather they unite or not its going to cost sk trillions
8 out of 10 judges and prosecutors grew up in the West... which means that the East is OVERREPRESENTED. Some may think that East and West were not just two parts of Germany but the two HALVES. However, those living in the eastern states now represent some 15 percent of the German population, down 3 percent from the 18 percent at the time of reunification.
My dad told me all the time as a kid. Stupid people destroy and hurt, while smart people create, build and help others. But strong people can do all of that but choose to do good while taking a few on the chin.
You dad sounds like my kind of man. Hard to find but well kept secret pockets of wisdom, scattered throughout, rolling with the punches, sacrificing for fellow man and woman, raising the next generation to be just as strong and smart. Keep telling people about your father.
Erick O - Your father was right - and importantly so. The resentment of incompetent people runs deep, very deep. They will destroy all they can of the good to make it "equal". To bring everything down to the common denominator. The only thing that preserves the onward progress of the good is the incompetence of the bad. But that doesn't stop them from trying. Again and again.
This... Most homes I go to, have stupid phrases like "Be nice for nice nice" or "you are special and a fairy"... BUT they are so wishy washy. What your dad said however... I can certainly STICK on my wall and let that wisdom guide me in life.
I think a good visualization in terms of mentality, culture and past or current developement is this one: Bavaria = Texas North Rhine Westphalia = Rustbelt Rest of west Germany = New England East Germany = Southern States Saarland = Hawaii (lol)
@@drunkensailor3736 hard to say, culturally more like LA or DC (so very liberal) but in economic terms ln the lower end... Chicago maybe? I am not sure
Serious question. Why Saarland as Hawaii? I know it has always been historically different and has had quite the French influence. But why you say Hawaii?
On my way to Poland I had to change trains in some village in East Germany and it looked like the Soviets left yesterday. Everything was destroyed the nicest building was a Casino. West Poland got nice again.
I think it will take a very long time to finally end the division. For example you can still see the pre-war German border when looking at election results in today's Poland
I think it’s safe to say that Russia achieved its goal of keeping a powerful country like Germany divided. Especially long after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Yet Russia still isnt a wealthy country until now ..even Germany was wealthy then even thou devided b4.. Everything Russia touches remains poor..look at all those european countries as example.. Russia failed thou
as a Correction: actually, Germany is only partially removing the Soli. the top 10% still have to pay which is still a lot of money going to this fund. if it stays that way is unclear since the first opposition-party already sued against this rule due to unequality reasons and it should not be forgotten the Soli was supposed to be a One-Time-Thing and got dragged out due to high costs and late due inequality reasons for years. Furthermore it's pretty cheap to only mention the lack of immigration to blame for the fight against the immigration laws of the east. as mentioned, in east Germany it's more common to have jobs where less education is required. therefore it already is a though place to get a job due EU-Schengen agreement. East Germans have to compete with cheap labors from east Europe (Poles, Hungerians, Romanians) where they can find a way around the minimum wages through sub-sub-contractions or higher Education in those places also include German courses to make it easier to get a job in Germany. So it's understandable that they don't feel like make it even harder to compete against even cheaper refuegees from middle east (state subsidized labour as interation program)
I was working and lived both in West and East Germany. It will be always the division the same with North and South Germany. The same between NRW and Bavaria.
This makes me think that Korean unification isn't possible even if there was the political will in the North and South. The economic disparity is too great.
@@cjm8160 How do you get a country of uneducated peasant farmers who rarely have access to electricity to catch up with a high tech and industrial powerhouse like South Korea?
If you try to dive into inequality in Italy, you'll find an even wider economic gap between the south and the north, and no government has been able to narrow the difference..
Nice video, watching this a German living in Munich. All the number you quote are true. And most of the interpretation too. Just like to add that the different parts of Germany are quite diverse and that cultural and economic differences exist also within both the East and West. I'm thinking about the north-south difference, or the city-countryside difference. It's also worth mentioning that eastern German cities like Leipzig and Dresden are experiencing much better economic and cultural development that the east german countryside.
Back in the early 1960s before the Wall went up, the GDR was suffering a brain drain of people with various skills leaving East Germany for jobs at the West. The GDR feared their government would collapse due to a lack of important skills that was very much needed for growth and without their much needed skills and knowledge, there would be nobody left to pass on their knowledge and skills to newer generations to take their place after retirement and death. After the fall of the Wall, the brain drain still continues to this day. With jobs lacking on the East side, many left to find work on the West side. Also, because of the prejudices against former citizens of the GDR, employers do not (as much as the past just the same) trust the former citizens or anyone living on the East side. This type of prejudice has been handed down to their children and grandchildren, the mistrust still continues against the citizens of the East. So many from the East decided to move to the West and with the change of their address on their resumes, they hoped to fool potential employers to hire them for work while flying under their prejudice radar. As a result, the East side is essentially becoming a ghost town, so to speak.
@randomguy8196 Only difference is you have to apply for a work visa and go through the channels in order to get permission to come to New York for work. Such paperwork can take months to years before they hear word from them. Not all get a pass, some will get denied. So it's a crap shoot to be able to come to the U.S. for work if one lives out of the U.S. Unless you come to the U.S. illegally, good luck not getting caught, even if you manage to get away with it for years. Eventually, sooner or later, someone will trip up and get caught.
Something like this is like smoking; the recovery takes at least as long as the time in which the damage was done. So for complete German reunification, we're looking at somewhere around 2035.
Not going to happen. East germany is already dominating politics and forcing socialism to rest of the Germany. They basically first admitted that socialism suck and hard, and now they try to convert west germany to socialism as well through politics. Unification was a mistake.
I don't mind having to skip the add, after all content is good and free. But maybe a 10 sec summary of topic before the ad would be good - better style for the video, and imho better for the ad as well.
I‘m a Nurse in Bavaria. Most of my colleagues are from East Germany. Some of them claim, the life for their parents and grand parents under DDR was much better than their own life today!
Your coworkers have COVID addled brains who forgot what it was like to live behind the Iron Curtain. I'm 44, I was born and raised in Raciborz/Ratibor Poland, a former German city. Eastern Germany didn't have it better. As a matter of fact even Western Germany didn't have it as good as they do today. Life has gotten at least 3 times better and easier since 1990 in Europe and 4-5 times better in Eastern Germany and Eastern Europe.
You will hear that often amongst civilians of the former socialist and communist countries. It is probably nostalgia and blending out the major disadvantages and shortcomings which led to the demise of these countries.
@@davinnicode If you went to school, educated yourself and tried hard and got zero rewards for it, it was hell. If you showed up to work drunk, slept for 2 hours and drank tea for more hours 2 hours and did mindless work any highschool dropout could do for 4 hours, and still got paid well, then it was heaven. So essentially it was slavery for the smart + talented + hard working and paradise if you were dumb + lazy + willing to inform.
Social programs shouldn't be seen as either a hand up or a hand out: It's a safety net no one falls below. We need to also build structures above the safety net that people can climb up again when their doing better.
I'm surprised this video ignored the educational systems of the two parts of Germany at the time of reunification, specifically as relates to their Nazi past. That has a huge effect still. There's a reason the racism of the Nazis has more traction (still) with those from the East. It's because in the East they lived under Communism, which was oppressive but did not denounce racism. National pride continued to trace to Nazism all those decades between WWI and reunification. Whereas in the West they were helped to rebuild, given incredible opportunity and assistance, AND implemented a curriculum that denounced Nazi ideas. When you combine abundance, opportunity and optimism with an identity around embracing a new future of racial inclusion, you get people much more inclined to welcome diversity. Similarly, when you combine brutal oppression under Communism, unfairness, and economic hopelessness with national pride being about racial purity, you get a lot of resistance to brown immigrants. This persists even after reunification. In fact, there has been a lot of pushback against the education system teaching "Nazis bad." That's the influence of the East on the West!
Nice video as always. Do one about Bosnia and Hercegovina, since there is some talk about reviewing the Dayton agreement lately. Biden’s advisor talked about bringing this country back in to focus of US politics, and Sergey Lavrov visited few days ago. Could be interesting.
I think that as the trend toward remote, virtual work accelerates, geographic income disparity will decrease. Till now the status quo all over the developed world has been for people living in more urban areas to have better job prospects and higher incomes, but as more and more people quit leaving their homes for work and can do the same job from anywhere, lower costs of living in the east will be appealing.
Some corrections of sb from Berlin: One big problem was: Germany did reunite in the 90th: the height of neoliberalism: which this channel still promotes. So because of the Zeitgeist the short-termism CDU wanted the market to descide: the result is the deindustrialisation of the former GDR despite of the fact it was the richest and most industrialised east-block country. -> the western currency: DM was 5 times more worth than the Ostmark (the eastern currency) it was descided to change the currency East to DM from one day to an other: result the eastern companies, that had to modernise had to pay 5 times higher wages from 1 day to the other. And many companies were sold to western hedgefonds, which didnt want to rebuild them, but to sell its properties, because these eastern firms often also had pretty huge wealth in real estate: production + lots of housing. Many went unemployed: and had to start from 0 despiete being well educated: Thats the fear of loosing which comes back in new crisis. West Germany on the other hand didnt learn much from the east: it had better medicine, education and care for young children (I was born and raised in West Berlin).
Don't see the problem . I live in a much smaller country than Germany and here the Western parts of the country pays for most things in the Eastern and Southern parts of the country and also make less money in those parts .... In the end not too parts of a country have the same economic potential...
Kind of like the division between China and Taiwan. There’s now serious escalation between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
Erick O - Your father was right - and importantly so. The resentment of incompetent people runs deep, very deep. They will destroy all they can of the good to make it "equal". To bring everything down to the common denominator. The only thing that preserves the onward progress of the good is the incompetence of the bad. But that doesn't stop them from trying. Again and again.
As a German who grew up in the west of a divided Germany, I'm confident that one day old and new Bundesländer will be in an economically and politically state, that can't be distinguished by the numbers alone. I am glad we all (citizens from the west and the east, as everybody has had to pay Soli) could finance the enourmous megaprojects 40 years of communist / socialist mismanagement bestowed onto us, as the infrastructure was desastrous, machinery often times pre-war antiques not even the Soviets wanted for themselves as they dismantled German industrial plants and moved them into the Soviet Union in the years following WW2. But it will be slow and long process. It might take 80 years (or double the time of the GDR's existence) until all the heritage and ballast of the former regime will have vanished and eventually we'll have a "homogenous" Germany. Mentalitywise there will always be differences between east and west just like there are differences between north and south. Germany is culturally very diverse, more than most if not all European states and definitely more than the US. Yet I dread the political radicalization in the east as it reminds me of the political situation of the Weimarer Republik before it collapsed into the Nazi-regime. And for the sake of the personal and political liberties the east German people fought so bravely for in the late 80ies, I hope we will survive those challenges which arose with the rise of ultra-right-wing AfD and ultra-left-wing Die Linke (which is in its core the former SED, leading communist party of the GDR). And maybe in a few years one can't see the dividing line between east and west Germany anymore. Because, fun fact, east and west use different street-lamps, so the east has a yellow and the west a blue tint, which e.g. can be observed in satellite pictures.
"Germany is culturally very diverse, more than most if not all European states and definitely more than the US. " => not ALL European countries, for sure. France has populated territories in 6 continents (1 island in north america, 1 territory in south america, 4 islands in central america, 2 islands in africa, 2 archipels in pacific, and of course the mainland and Corsica in europe). When a mainland French go to Reunion island, the cultural difference is obvious (And even more in Mayotte, where some French people even don't speak French). Also France has assimilated 8 times more immigrants than Germany during the last 6 decades. There are a lot of local languages in French territories (I would say at least 20, that are all learned in school). We even have several currencies in France (Euro and Pacific Franc). We also have totally different tax systems for each of those territories. We also have 3 governments in France (2 for the 2 French pacific archipels, 1 for the "rest of the world France"). We also have 2 different citizenship systems (citizenship based on citizenship of parents in Mayotte, citizenship based on land of birth for the "rest of the world France"). Did you know that the biggest French maternity ward is in Africa ? France is a LOT more diverse than Germany, for sure... The German street lamps are just anecdotal compared to the cultural differences we are living with. And by the way, i assume Belgium and Switzerland are also probably more diverse than Germany, starting with several official languages (which has solid repercussion on their political systems, thus their culture)...
First, one should question the assumption that there was a homogenous Germany before the division in 1945 - there was not. Unification of the German states only began in the 19th century - and even after that, the regional differences and distinctions persisted, though these may not be appreciated by the non-Germans. Division of 1945 simply separated regions which were not homogenous to begin with. Under the respective eastern bloc and western bloc developments, east and west Germanies got rid of the traditional social and political hierarchies but pursued very different paths otherwise. There was nothing in the history of Germany that was like what West Germany became, or what East Germany became. Both were new entities that only shared a common history up to 1945. Having said that, many cities from East Germany that had historically been strong economic centres, such as Dresden, regained their former vibrancy and does not come across as poorer cousins to the west. When one thinks of the poorer populace or districts from former East Germany, one does not think of Dresden or Leipzig.
Still, East Germany has always been poorer than the West. ALWAYS. Brandenburg was known as the "sandbox of the German Empire". Compared to the Rhineland, natural resources are scarce. This was only worsened after the loss of East Prussia.
Economic and social disparities between different regions inside a country are totally NORMAL. Many of the disparities talked about in this video are much more pronounced in other European countries.
Same thing happens in the US but for different reasons. In the US the supply region is the South, where there are few import-replacing cities and most manufactured goods is imported from other states or countries. That is what East Germany looks like (with the exception of Berlin), a supply region without import-replacing cities (see Jane Jacobs Cities and the Wealth of Nations).
East Germany has a population of 16 million whereas West Germany has 67 million. If 400,000 pepople moves from East to West comparing to 150,000 West to East, I'd say comparatively more Germans are moving to its Eastern part.
@@douglassantet647 It's true, but you shouldn't say it. I long hope to see Germany as a military power again, but as a neutral one. At least in the East, which was, historically, the heartlands of Prussia.
Makes me think of the American South from after the Civil War to this day and how there are still significant economic differences between Southern and Northern states. Also makes me wonder about what a unified Korea might face.
The gap between the North (Union states) and South (Confederate states) prior to the American Civil War (1860 - 1865) was huge. After the war, it took another 100 years for the South to begin closing the gap (i.e.to become more similar to the North). Some claim that it was central air conditioning that allowed the South to rise. I believe that two world wars, better communications and national TV stations also helped. The technology of central air conditioning was a boon for many places that became retirement havens (Florida, South Carolina, etc.)
It is worth inquiring into the 19th century differences between Western German states and Brandenburg-Prussia in the East. The former were more liberal, urban, and bourgeois. The latter was conservative, agrarian, with a strong junker presence, and more militarist.
Important to note are also the makro economic differences. West germany is more decentralised while due to the lag of competetiveness the east is centralised. As in investments flow more into the bigger cities while in the west, every other bigger village or small city has at least a few big manufacturing companies that is sustaining the surroundings, the mittelstand.
I was a Canadian soldier in Germany between 1980 and 1986 I lived in the black forest area……and our mission was to fight the Communists and stop them and win a war on the Border with Austria Bavaria and Czechoslovakia...... when the Berlin wall came down and East Germany became part of the Federal Republic of Germany…… I found myself having been participant in the cold war and the end of communism…… every area of Germany is very different from any other area…… Trying to compare the difference between the East Germans and West Germans today…… Is interesting…… When I lived in Germany I tried to compare the mentality in the 1980s to the mentality in the 1930s and 40s
Very interesting video about the differences between two former Germany. To be honest this division will never disappear as in every single country in Europe, there are richer and poorer region. Of course history can explain why these regions have such a big contrast in terms of development/real wages. Similar issues can be seen in Italy between North and South, Spain, UK, even in Belgium as well. Perhaps the only differences that Germans put lots of money to help East Germany to get closer. Imagine if they would not?
It's a generational aspect, at least 3 generations were present during the fall of the wall: the "elder" (people about to retire), the common adults (who turned down the wall) and the young people (the ones growing up to this event). 20 years is barely a generational gap, and you could say the elder have not died out just yet, most are probably still alive due to the longevity of modern european lifestyle. Until the young people of this event grow old, the divisions will be still very marked, even then there is still work to do for the german people. Very interesting introspective of both politics and demographics, and their dynamics.
As a German (Northwest Germany) I really have to agree with this video, a critical but very realistic view of the very difficult subject. Exaggeratedly viewed from the perspective of many West Germans: Those in the East have new autobahns, cheaper rents, cheaper ancillary costs, virtually everything new and still grumble around every day. In addition, they also get the solidarity tax and we still pay for them, after so long time! Exaggeratedly considered from the view of many East Germans: What do they want from the West? They have closed our factories and thrown everything to capitalism. We get less pay and lower pensions and most large companies don't want to invest, so our children run off to the big cities. My view: Reunification was awesome, an astounding undertaking, and I'm proud to live in this country. A lot of mistakes were made during the reunification, it was very rushed. The people in East Germany lost virtually their entire future and security within a year and often had to completely reorient their lives, that very often recedes into the background at any debate and should also be taken into consideration. The wall in the minds especially of the older generations is also a big problem, if not the biggest at all. I was born in 1988, for me only a united Germany exists and I think that very many from my generation think this way.
In the West of Germany, you've got almost all of the football clubs in the top tier, and in the east there is What, maybe three? One of which is in West Berlin. And another is That Red Bull Team. Also worth noting, East Germany is more likely to develop extremely good footballers- who then get paid in the western part of the country.
Visualpolitics-Team, great job. I was complaining on your last Germany-Video right about the things you discuss here - nice job of getting informed and communicating those infos here! That's how quality press should work all the time.
What many liberals from the west don’t get at all is that Eastern European and Russian communism was actually quite conservative and not leftist liberal.
A very old failure is the assumption of Germanys surplus in export against the Euromember. Money is crossing the border every day and every second. A state could rarely decide what and where a company or a consumer shall buy his products. Otherwise the market wouldn't be free. It would be against the law of Germany and the Eurozone.
Germany has never been homogeneous. The North speaks Low German, which is closer to Dutch than German. They has always been a cultural divide, even during German unification. Many Germans are more patriotic to their state than the Nation overall (hence East Germany's suffering), but not in a way that they'd abandon the other of they were attacked.
this reminds me of the american north and south post civil war, alot of the differences mentioned in this example could be said about the US even after a much longer period of unification
I don't think Germany will ever be completely homogeneous. But I think in the future the division will be more between rural and urban areas as some east german cities already reach higher per capita GDP and average income than many rural western german areas. But as the east has far less urban centres and a larger portion of the population living in rural areas it will probably continue to seem like there is a bigger overall difference.
Yes they will look alike but apparently time needed is much longer then one for instance thought when the re unification happend . Really good case study for South Koreans.
There are some errors in this video. But it's because they looked at the wrong sources. Even most German people are not really aware, what went down. Oh and if you really go down the historic route. The soviet union dismantled many factories in the GDR, build them up in their own territories, while the Rest of Germany had the Marshall plan. Still, there were many companies in the GDR that actually produced for the international market, not just the East Block. But those companies were not valued fairly, they were basically sold for peanuts to the West. Many companies that would have been profitable were dismantled. Overall, many things were not valued. Die Treuhand valued the about 8000 companies around 600 billion Mark! They were profitable! But then they devalued the money, 1:5, so all products became 400% more expensive, export became obsolete. So about 2/3 of the companies became bankrupt. And then the Treuhand covered all risk, all costs, all labour costs. Buying the companies for next to nothing with no risk. There is a very good video from the Satire magazine "Die Anstalt" that similar to Last week tonight with John Oliver analysed everything, that went down at the reunification, when it came down to the economy. They went the wrong way. If Korea ever becomes one again, I hope, they learn from all the mistakes Germany made. th-cam.com/video/nEprV1ue5Ww/w-d-xo.html
I know that this has nothing to do with the subject, but i just need to let you all know that my stomach was hurting, i tried to fart, but then the worse have happened, im pausing the video in order to change my pants.
I do not believe that East Germany was only 3 times poorer than West Germany by the German reunification. I remmember in those days reading a newspaper with graphichs than showed the contrast of Germany, a country that contained both the richest regions of Europe and the poorest regions.
I think one aspect you did not quite discuss is the reason why Easterners vote for the AFD more. I think just like in e.g. Hungary, the reason is because these countries never had to face their past the same way Westerners did. While in the West, everyone during those nearly 40 years were taught what their fathers and grandfathers had done, in the East the Soviets kind of did not bother with giving an explanation to the people in the social sense. For example, in my native Hungary my parents were never taught in school that Hungary sided with the nazis on their free will, but were taught that it was the evil act of the "counter-revolutionists" (so everyone were to blame but the people who elected the leaders who then sided with Germany in WW2). People in East Germany or Hungary simply never really owned up to their horrible heritage the same way West Germans had to. (Obviously the overwhelming majority did, it just that they forgot about it more, rather than were ashamed of it.)
Hi, As much as is correct in this video, a common mistake is being made. The cost of the reunification and the Solidaritätspakt is not just payed by the former west, all Germans pay the taxes, all Germans pay soli. Yes, the east didn't pay for all of it, because the economy crashed and its only 16 million people out of 80 million Germans. Still, they too are paying for infrastructure, its not that altruistic. That bugs me, as someone living in the glorious city of Leipzig, in the former gdr, paying the soli, that westgermans say to my face, they'd payed for everything that I'm using. Also, the money collected by the soli is now more then the German Government spends on rebuilding the east and its used for infrastructure in the whole country. Otherwise I think, that cultural decides in Germany are more regional then just east and west, also north, middle, south... Its all quite different and one could do the same video with those regions.
As a uk citizen I personally think that Germany will become a good strong country again and the uk isn’t even in the same level of infrastructure and development of life quality the rest of Europe is gonna laugh at our poor choices of leaving the EU as they will say that is what happens when you leave
Well, mental divide will stay a while still since in unification all of east economical and military assets were literally squandered left and right without any second thought, while it could have been easily used to prep and reform the economy to faster catch up with the west. But as we know west simply decided for the people what to do with their assets. 14:10 - Saying that property of military were sold is ooouf, a lot of it was on practical terms simply given away since ALL of it was either given away or sold for less than 60% of market value Taking few additional years to manage selloff of military equipment as well as reintegration of at least 14th of the military personnel woudl have saved sizeable amount of spending and would have cut the reintegration time by decade at very least, going for immediate gains will not produce long term gains.
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I’m very far left and from philly but I’m Republicans in the issue of flag burning I see terrible things when I look at the us flag I see all the democrats that betrayed this country in the name of big biussness I love burning the flag I don’t like republicans either cops r bad for white people I care about all people cops kill dogs and destroy houses for no reason
I just support all local farmers if I lived in coasta rica or Nicaragua I’d feel different about suger but in places like pa and Nebraska there is no excuse for suger eating just eat the damn corn suger alright
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Romania was unified a 100 years ago, but there is still a visible economical and social divide between the old kingdom and Transylvania
Wait! Transylvania is real place? I thought that its just a Hollywood fiction.
@@RealManasBose yes. it's a real region of Romania. i live in it.
@@azmodanrom now I know why they showed the king of Romania a vampire in Fate/Apocrypha 😄
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Because vlad tepes was imprisoned in a castle in transilvania
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East: Gerfew
Aldi Nord und Aldi Süd.
Kind of like the division between China and Taiwan. There’s now serious escalation between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
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UK has 9/10 of the poorest regions in Northern Europe, & central London is richest part of Europe. The difference between Emilia-Romagna & Calabria are almost 1st world & 3rd. There are equally or arguably more divided part of european countries.
Since when did UK become a part of northern Europe?
@@akashshaji6497 The one in the North Sea? Geography may not be your thing if this is the first time you've heard this.
Russia would be even more different. It has regions comparable to western european nations and it has regions comparable to the phillipines.
@@shakiMiki the UK is part of western Europe not northern.....when you say nothern you are referring to Sweden and Finland
@@akashshaji6497 Look it up mate. You know England
used to be part of Danish Kingdoms? Scotland rules by Norwegian queen. You are arguing with some who is from there.
I met a dude in NYC from West Germany who stunned me when he told me: "We will only absorb the East when everyone born before 1980 is dead."
I can see his point. A lot of the people who grew up in the east probably have a set view of the world and it’s going to be very difficult to change that. Thing is that their views will continue to be passed down the generations by parents to children and it will probably take many generations for the east and west to be truely integrated.
But right now you see that even among the generation born in the 80s and 90s, there are still huge differences, especially when it comes to politics. Ironically, the West is much more leftist now and the East doesn't really get this and has become very conservative.
Relieved I was born in 81 ;) I did also leave the country to live abroad. The video is pretty accurate and there is still an unfortunate difference between East and West Germany.
As a Bavarian who is also a Historian on Contemporary German History, who both has Family that lived in West and East Germany and seeing People in the Comments who question that the Eastern Germans have it harder even after the Fall of the Wall.
They do indeed, even today still have it harder, especially economically, since the East was basically a Semi Soviet Puppet State and just like the others, once the Soviet Union met it's Demise, they had to start from anew. So naturally Eastern Germany is less wealthy and less economically balanced than the West, which had proper Growth without Interruption since the 1950s. For example i remember as a Kid here in the Bavarian Alps that a lot of Eastern German Kids suddenly showed up in our Elementary School during the whole 1990s.
Simply because there were no Opportunities in the former Eastern Germany, and others moved away from there because of bad Experiences.
This is also why i always find it rather disgusting when the typical Western German Politician (no matter the Party) judges Eastern Germans regarding their Votes, and as this Video shows, many Eastern Germans either vote for Die Linke (The Left) or the AFD (The Right), which makes Sense when you got barely any Opportunities while simultaneously the Politicians of the Establishment Left (The Social Democrats) and Establishment Right (Conservative Democrats) judge, insult and attack them for voting either for the AFD or Die Linke. The same goes for all the privileged and usually City-living Twitter Folk (usually Students who btw. also include People from the Left and the Right).
You definitely don't help the Eastern Germans by judging them for who they vote for and calling them "uneducated".
So yes, Eastern German States definitely need more Help from the Gouvernment and less being called "Communist" or "Nazi" because of who they vote for in their economical Desperation.
All of that said, great Video as usual!
Prost and Cheers from the currently very very cold Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Excellent comment. Prost from Saxony.
Wouldn't have thought that i would read such a nuanced comment under a video with this hot topic. Props to you!
I am suprised abaut that someone vote in east germany for Die Linke becouse they are peoples whose lead country in times of soviet union
@@domenstrmsek5625 In most former communist countries a substantial part of the population misses the old system. Communism wasn't tht bad for some because then they had security, stability, no unemplyment and low crime. The restructuring caused mass unemployment and instability, so it's not tht surprising. While life under communism certainly wasn't free it certainly wasn't that bad relatively speaking.
@@drunkensailor3736 yeah I now How that going my mother was born in Yugoslavia and I love to ask a questions about them. And I now what is success of socialist economies but this are weakness of it in the end this would crash as house of cards and different more far right regimes would flow. I think and I hope that new left going more in steps of democracies and more equally public spending!
I would love to see an economic video about Iraq after 2003. How the followed governments dealt with issues and what are the challenges today.
corruption, corruption and corruption
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As a former German once told me work in the west and retire in the east. But after he retired in Singapore instead.
Same in USA. Work in Northeast, retire in Florida
In the end he will choose Thailand...
East German here. Very accurate video.
I'd like to add a few things:
In my opinion, the Treuhand (trust fund) did a necessary but sometimes terrible job. While it is absolutly clear that most GDR company have no chance to survive in the West, there were some companies which were okay and given a certain investment to modernize and some time to adapt, they could have survived. For example, in my area, there was an agglomeration of the most advanced IT companies in the whole Eastern Block. None survived. Only some knowlegde was transferred to found new companies which are producing solar panels and silicon products (we call it "Silicon Saxony" now, no joke.)
But this survival would have meant two things: Competition for the West German industry and many people could have stayed in the East rather than emigrating to the West. This would have helped a lot, since the East lost 2 Mio people (out of 17 Mio in 1990). But the West German industry naturally had a lot to say in the reunification process, so the Treuhand shot down much more than necessary. The East was practically deindustrialized within a few years.
Another thing is the fact that until this day, many West Germans don't really get the East. This includes West Germans who live in the East for years now. I'm always shocked how ignorant/uneducated they can be when it comes to experiences with the GDR and the reunifcation. Many have no idea what emotional scars it leaves behind when you see the country you grew up in being dissolved by the former enemy. This got nothing to do with politics. Imagine being born in 1945. So in 1990, you are 45 years old. You grew up in the East, got used to it, maybe don't like the system, but you have your job, your family, and your children get a good education. And suddenly, you lose your job, your company goes bankrupt, your country ceases to exist, many friends leave and those arrogant dudes from the West tell you how everything was terrible and how to do things better. Thats a very hard pill to swallow. My granddads couldn't swallow it. They never got over it. And one of them really hated those damn communists.
To finish with something positive: One of my former professors, a West German, once said that the East German students are much more disciplined and not as lazy as their western counterparts. :D
Thank you for sharing. Your perspective is needed. 🖖
I hope you understand how Eastern Europeans feel when you treat them like trash when they immigrate to study/work in Western Europe. It's incredibly humiliating to be told you're not as intelligent, not as good as them just because you come from a place whose political system was ineffective and destroyed yours and your parents' lives.
I read somewhere that those from the west, retired and nearing retirement are buying nice home's in the former DDR area's at prices far less then the west. There are some small but world class companies, Nomos, A. Lange & Sohne, Glashutte Original as well as Jenoptik. I do believe they could be the exception and not the rule.
Squandering military equipment for nothing didn't help either, where it could have been used to reinvest into the economy. Selling 22 of Mig-29's for 22 euros while each was worth at least 6M euros is a complete joke.
Thank you for writing all this information out. It was very helpful. I've always wondered, but was hesitant to ask how the east and west managed to reconcile after 45 years of being split apart. Is there hostility between the people today? When the reunification occurred was there suspicion towards the other side? What about the history of Germany? How was it taught in schools in the east versus the west before the fall of the Berlin Wall? I have a million questions, but I think I've already asked enough. There is so much America can learn from this very unique situation. Thanks again!
Looks like Korea will need a miracle on the 38th parallel.
same as the 2 chinas
The last time I was this early there was a physical wall dividing Germany
The wall was built after your death
@@mercyaspirast.agbayani477 ye ur right hahaha
Kind of like the division between China and Taiwan. There’s now serious escalation between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
Imagine if Koreans decide to unify, what a disaster that would be!
It's unimaginable. It would easily take at least half a millenium to sort out only the main differences.
The internet may aid in dissolving the divide faster than in Germany. Remember, when the Berlin Wall fell, there was no internet. The first thing Korea should do is establish a cell/internet network in North Korea to disseminate free information faster than any public education system could ever hope to achieve. Let the North Koreans educate themselves at an unprecedented rate from TH-cam University. North Koreans will be floss dancing and Tik Toking in no time.
I heard that NOW, many South Koreans are actually against it, because of the disparity between both.
Maybe if they did a one country two systems (unequal treatment) experiment, disallowing migration for maybe 50 years.
South Korean manufacturing and farming industries can take advantage of cheap North Korean labour.
The shock they could experience could be similar like in Germany fertility rate: www.researchgate.net/profile/Holger_Von_Der_Lippe/publication/27458386/figure/fig2/AS:644696858701825@1530719117728/Total-Fertility-Rate-East-and-West-Germany-1980-2000-Source-Statistisches-Bundesamt.png
South Korea's total fertility rate hit a record low already (0.92 in 2019), so it would be really bad I think...
I as a german can only say that everything is true. Good video :) and greetings from west Germany
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@@drunkensailor3736 they already did so
Nope he is wrong about the amount of migrants/refuges we are above 1,5 Million
@@Hannibal8844 No wonder you guys deal so good with corona unlike the south Europe. So many doctors.
@@gong1616 son of a refugee here. I'm a doctor :)
as a western german, having had a girlfriend from the east i can say that it sometimes felt like we where from different contrys
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People who want North and South Korea to be unified should pay attention to this
It would be much much harder
They could do it if they want to...
the best way to unify them two would be to have nk remain an independent country under un trustee for at least 50 years so it is gradual rather than try to do it fast, and what ever happens sk should really be saving for it because what ever lays ahead in the future weather they unite or not its going to cost sk trillions
The south will economically eat the north.
@@geoffreycharles6330 if it wasn’t run by a bunch of crazies they could always just buy it, but then again, quite the interesting investment 🥴
8 out of 10 judges and prosecutors grew up in the West... which means that the East is OVERREPRESENTED. Some may think that East and West were not just two parts of Germany but the two HALVES. However, those living in the eastern states now represent some 15 percent of the German population, down 3 percent from the 18 percent at the time of reunification.
True, but Merkle grew up in the east.
Those judges were in Eastern courts though
My dad told me all the time as a kid. Stupid people destroy and hurt, while smart people create, build and help others. But strong people can do all of that but choose to do good while taking a few on the chin.
Wise words.
You dad sounds like my kind of man. Hard to find but well kept secret pockets of wisdom, scattered throughout, rolling with the punches, sacrificing for fellow man and woman, raising the next generation to be just as strong and smart. Keep telling people about your father.
Erick O - Your father was right - and importantly so. The resentment of incompetent people runs deep, very deep. They will destroy all they can of the good to make it "equal". To bring everything down to the common denominator. The only thing that preserves the onward progress of the good is the incompetence of the bad. But that doesn't stop them from trying. Again and again.
What about people who build stuff to destroy ?
This... Most homes I go to, have stupid phrases like "Be nice for nice nice" or "you are special and a fairy"...
BUT they are so wishy washy. What your dad said however... I can certainly STICK on my wall and let that wisdom guide me in life.
I think a good visualization in terms of mentality, culture and past or current developement is this one:
Bavaria = Texas
North Rhine Westphalia = Rustbelt
Rest of west Germany = New England
East Germany = Southern States
Saarland = Hawaii (lol)
Wbat is Berlin? NYC? California? DC?
@@drunkensailor3736 hard to say, culturally more like LA or DC (so very liberal) but in economic terms ln the lower end... Chicago maybe? I am not sure
Serious question. Why Saarland as Hawaii? I know it has always been historically different and has had quite the French influence. But why you say Hawaii?
@@guillermonardone3431 Maybe because of the asian and pacific island influence?
@@guillermonardone3431 because Saarland is a meme :D
On my way to Poland I had to change trains in some village in East Germany and it looked like the Soviets left yesterday. Everything was destroyed the nicest building was a Casino. West Poland got nice again.
I think it will take a very long time to finally end the division. For example you can still see the pre-war German border when looking at election results in today's Poland
Why is that?
I think it’s safe to say that Russia achieved its goal of keeping a powerful country like Germany divided. Especially long after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Yet Russia still isnt a wealthy country until now ..even Germany was wealthy then even thou devided b4..
Everything Russia touches remains poor..look at all those european countries as example..
Russia failed thou
as a Correction: actually, Germany is only partially removing the Soli. the top 10% still have to pay which is still a lot of money going to this fund. if it stays that way is unclear since the first opposition-party already sued against this rule due to unequality reasons and it should not be forgotten the Soli was supposed to be a One-Time-Thing and got dragged out due to high costs and late due inequality reasons for years.
Furthermore it's pretty cheap to only mention the lack of immigration to blame for the fight against the immigration laws of the east. as mentioned, in east Germany it's more common to have jobs where less education is required. therefore it already is a though place to get a job due EU-Schengen agreement. East Germans have to compete with cheap labors from east Europe (Poles, Hungerians, Romanians) where they can find a way around the minimum wages through sub-sub-contractions or higher Education in those places also include German courses to make it easier to get a job in Germany. So it's understandable that they don't feel like make it even harder to compete against even cheaper refuegees from middle east (state subsidized labour as interation program)
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I was working and lived both in West and East Germany. It will be always the division the same with North and South Germany. The same between NRW and Bavaria.
We here in Saxony make jokes about NRW. I think that says a lot.
Another example. we in Palatinate call people from Baden Gelbfüße (yellow feet)
Can you tell me what the divide is please
The differences between the former West and East Germany, is VERY similar to North East and South East England. Today, and for decades. 😲
This makes me think that Korean unification isn't possible even if there was the political will in the North and South. The economic disparity is too great.
the amount of money South Korea would have to spend trying to bring the North up to speed .... it makes one nauseous just thinking about it
@@cjm8160 How do you get a country of uneducated peasant farmers who rarely have access to electricity to catch up with a high tech and industrial powerhouse like South Korea?
If you try to dive into inequality in Italy, you'll find an even wider economic gap between the south and the north, and no government has been able to narrow the difference..
Same in Poland. There's an inequality gap between the richer West and the poorer East (Ściana Wschodnia, literally the Eastern Wall).
Nice video, watching this a German living in Munich. All the number you quote are true. And most of the interpretation too. Just like to add that the different parts of Germany are quite diverse and that cultural and economic differences exist also within both the East and West. I'm thinking about the north-south difference, or the city-countryside difference. It's also worth mentioning that eastern German cities like Leipzig and Dresden are experiencing much better economic and cultural development that the east german countryside.
What about TERRORISM tho , I heard there was a BEHEADING like the one in france too
@@karankapoor2701 that is not really true
The US South needed one hundred year to integrate with US North. Thirty years is not even close.
And they were only divided for four years too
Back in the early 1960s before the Wall went up, the GDR was suffering a brain drain of people with various skills leaving East Germany for jobs at the West. The GDR feared their government would collapse due to a lack of important skills that was very much needed for growth and without their much needed skills and knowledge, there would be nobody left to pass on their knowledge and skills to newer generations to take their place after retirement and death.
After the fall of the Wall, the brain drain still continues to this day. With jobs lacking on the East side, many left to find work on the West side. Also, because of the prejudices against former citizens of the GDR, employers do not (as much as the past just the same) trust the former citizens or anyone living on the East side. This type of prejudice has been handed down to their children and grandchildren, the mistrust still continues against the citizens of the East.
So many from the East decided to move to the West and with the change of their address on their resumes, they hoped to fool potential employers to hire them for work while flying under their prejudice radar.
As a result, the East side is essentially becoming a ghost town, so to speak.
@randomguy8196 Only difference is you have to apply for a work visa and go through the channels in order to get permission to come to New York for work. Such paperwork can take months to years before they hear word from them. Not all get a pass, some will get denied. So it's a crap shoot to be able to come to the U.S. for work if one lives out of the U.S.
Unless you come to the U.S. illegally, good luck not getting caught, even if you manage to get away with it for years. Eventually, sooner or later, someone will trip up and get caught.
Something like this is like smoking; the recovery takes at least as long as the time in which the damage was done. So for complete German reunification, we're looking at somewhere around 2035.
Not going to happen. East germany is already dominating politics and forcing socialism to rest of the Germany. They basically first admitted that socialism suck and hard, and now they try to convert west germany to socialism as well through politics. Unification was a mistake.
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A lesson of socialism can never be learned by an average Joe.
You know that Germany has one the best social policy in earth right Germans have universal healthcare
@@ahadumer418 I have a health plan, though I pay for it but it’s a good plan. No waiting lines.
I‘m a Nurse in Bavaria. Most of my colleagues are from East Germany. Some of them claim, the life for their parents and grand parents under DDR was much better than their own life today!
Yikes... I don’t know how I’d respond to that one.
Your coworkers have COVID addled brains who forgot what it was like to live behind the Iron Curtain. I'm 44, I was born and raised in Raciborz/Ratibor Poland, a former German city. Eastern Germany didn't have it better. As a matter of fact even Western Germany didn't have it as good as they do today. Life has gotten at least 3 times better and easier since 1990 in Europe and 4-5 times better in Eastern Germany and Eastern Europe.
You will hear that often amongst civilians of the former socialist and communist countries. It is probably nostalgia and blending out the major disadvantages and shortcomings which led to the demise of these countries.
@@davinnicode If you went to school, educated yourself and tried hard and got zero rewards for it, it was hell.
If you showed up to work drunk, slept for 2 hours and drank tea for more hours 2 hours and did mindless work any highschool dropout could do for 4 hours, and still got paid well, then it was heaven.
So essentially it was slavery for the smart + talented + hard working and paradise if you were dumb + lazy + willing to inform.
you should read "the accidental superpower", " the absent superpower" and "disunited nations" by peter zeihan.
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Social programs shouldn't be seen as either a hand up or a hand out: It's a safety net no one falls below. We need to also build structures above the safety net that people can climb up again when their doing better.
Even west Germany isn't homogenous and never have been
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I'm surprised this video ignored the educational systems of the two parts of Germany at the time of reunification, specifically as relates to their Nazi past. That has a huge effect still. There's a reason the racism of the Nazis has more traction (still) with those from the East. It's because in the East they lived under Communism, which was oppressive but did not denounce racism. National pride continued to trace to Nazism all those decades between WWI and reunification. Whereas in the West they were helped to rebuild, given incredible opportunity and assistance, AND implemented a curriculum that denounced Nazi ideas.
When you combine abundance, opportunity and optimism with an identity around embracing a new future of racial inclusion, you get people much more inclined to welcome diversity. Similarly, when you combine brutal oppression under Communism, unfairness, and economic hopelessness with national pride being about racial purity, you get a lot of resistance to brown immigrants. This persists even after reunification. In fact, there has been a lot of pushback against the education system teaching "Nazis bad." That's the influence of the East on the West!
Nice video as always. Do one about Bosnia and Hercegovina, since there is some talk about reviewing the Dayton agreement lately. Biden’s advisor talked about bringing this country back in to focus of US politics, and Sergey Lavrov visited few days ago. Could be interesting.
I think that as the trend toward remote, virtual work accelerates, geographic income disparity will decrease. Till now the status quo all over the developed world has been for people living in more urban areas to have better job prospects and higher incomes, but as more and more people quit leaving their homes for work and can do the same job from anywhere, lower costs of living in the east will be appealing.
This video was worth it just to see all those wonderful old Trabis!
Some corrections of sb from Berlin: One big problem was: Germany did reunite in the 90th: the height of neoliberalism: which this channel still promotes. So because of the Zeitgeist the short-termism CDU wanted the market to descide: the result is the deindustrialisation of the former GDR despite of the fact it was the richest and most industrialised east-block country.
-> the western currency: DM was 5 times more worth than the Ostmark (the eastern currency) it was descided to change the currency East to DM from one day to an other: result the eastern companies, that had to modernise had to pay 5 times higher wages from 1 day to the other. And many companies were sold to western hedgefonds, which didnt want to rebuild them, but to sell its properties, because these eastern firms often also had pretty huge wealth in real estate: production + lots of housing.
Many went unemployed: and had to start from 0 despiete being well educated: Thats the fear of loosing which comes back in new crisis. West Germany on the other hand didnt learn much from the east: it had better medicine, education and care for young children (I was born and raised in West Berlin).
Don't see the problem . I live in a much smaller country than Germany and here the Western parts of the country pays for most things in the Eastern and Southern parts of the country and also make less money in those parts .... In the end not too parts of a country have the same economic potential...
No because if you look at England there is a North South divide.
Kind of like the division between China and Taiwan. There’s now serious escalation between China and Taiwan. There’s actually a great analysis on the Taiwan-China conflict and the prospects of a Chinese invasion and Taiwanese independence: th-cam.com/video/yI0foMtF_oU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
Erick O - Your father was right - and importantly so. The resentment of incompetent people runs deep, very deep. They will destroy all they can of the good to make it "equal". To bring everything down to the common denominator. The only thing that preserves the onward progress of the good is the incompetence of the bad. But that doesn't stop them from trying. Again and again.
As a German who grew up in the west of a divided Germany, I'm confident that one day old and new Bundesländer will be in an economically and politically state, that can't be distinguished by the numbers alone. I am glad we all (citizens from the west and the east, as everybody has had to pay Soli) could finance the enourmous megaprojects 40 years of communist / socialist mismanagement bestowed onto us, as the infrastructure was desastrous, machinery often times pre-war antiques not even the Soviets wanted for themselves as they dismantled German industrial plants and moved them into the Soviet Union in the years following WW2. But it will be slow and long process. It might take 80 years (or double the time of the GDR's existence) until all the heritage and ballast of the former regime will have vanished and eventually we'll have a "homogenous" Germany.
Mentalitywise there will always be differences between east and west just like there are differences between north and south. Germany is culturally very diverse, more than most if not all European states and definitely more than the US.
Yet I dread the political radicalization in the east as it reminds me of the political situation of the Weimarer Republik before it collapsed into the Nazi-regime. And for the sake of the personal and political liberties the east German people fought so bravely for in the late 80ies, I hope we will survive those challenges which arose with the rise of ultra-right-wing AfD and ultra-left-wing Die Linke (which is in its core the former SED, leading communist party of the GDR).
And maybe in a few years one can't see the dividing line between east and west Germany anymore. Because, fun fact, east and west use different street-lamps, so the east has a yellow and the west a blue tint, which e.g. can be observed in satellite pictures.
"Germany is culturally very diverse, more than most if not all European states and definitely more than the US. " => not ALL European countries, for sure. France has populated territories in 6 continents (1 island in north america, 1 territory in south america, 4 islands in central america, 2 islands in africa, 2 archipels in pacific, and of course the mainland and Corsica in europe). When a mainland French go to Reunion island, the cultural difference is obvious (And even more in Mayotte, where some French people even don't speak French). Also France has assimilated 8 times more immigrants than Germany during the last 6 decades. There are a lot of local languages in French territories (I would say at least 20, that are all learned in school). We even have several currencies in France (Euro and Pacific Franc). We also have totally different tax systems for each of those territories. We also have 3 governments in France (2 for the 2 French pacific archipels, 1 for the "rest of the world France"). We also have 2 different citizenship systems (citizenship based on citizenship of parents in Mayotte, citizenship based on land of birth for the "rest of the world France"). Did you know that the biggest French maternity ward
is in Africa ? France is a LOT more diverse than Germany, for sure... The German street lamps are just anecdotal compared to the cultural differences we are living with. And by the way, i assume Belgium and Switzerland are also probably more diverse than Germany, starting with several official languages (which has solid repercussion on their political systems, thus their culture)...
Let this be a lesson for if Korea ever reunified, especially since the gap between the North and South as far greater than that of the two Germanys..
Not surprisingly, the support tô reunification is declining in South Korea every new generation is born.
First, one should question the assumption that there was a homogenous Germany before the division in 1945 - there was not.
Unification of the German states only began in the 19th century - and even after that, the regional differences and distinctions persisted, though these may not be appreciated by the non-Germans.
Division of 1945 simply separated regions which were not homogenous to begin with.
Under the respective eastern bloc and western bloc developments, east and west Germanies got rid of the traditional social and political hierarchies but pursued very different paths otherwise.
There was nothing in the history of Germany that was like what West Germany became, or what East Germany became. Both were new entities that only shared a common history up to 1945.
Having said that, many cities from East Germany that had historically been strong economic centres, such as Dresden, regained their former vibrancy and does not come across as poorer cousins to the west. When one thinks of the poorer populace or districts from former East Germany, one does not think of Dresden or Leipzig.
Still, East Germany has always been poorer than the West. ALWAYS. Brandenburg was known as the "sandbox of the German Empire". Compared to the Rhineland, natural resources are scarce. This was only worsened after the loss of East Prussia.
Economic and social disparities between different regions inside a country are totally NORMAL. Many of the disparities talked about in this video are much more pronounced in other European countries.
Same thing happens in the US but for different reasons. In the US the supply region is the South, where there are few import-replacing cities and most manufactured goods is imported from other states or countries. That is what East Germany looks like (with the exception of Berlin), a supply region without import-replacing cities (see Jane Jacobs Cities and the Wealth of Nations).
East Germany has a population of 16 million whereas West Germany has 67 million. If 400,000 pepople moves from East to West comparing to 150,000 West to East, I'd say comparatively more Germans are moving to its Eastern part.
closer to 13-14 mln these days
Nonetheless, Germany is still the EU leader and more stable than the US
As an American I agree with you, and more divided than Germany. At least in a little more then a month, one headache will be gone.
Germany should know it's place you are only safe because of american protection
@@VersedNJ and another will come , stopp oozing over politicans
@@douglassantet647 It's true, but you shouldn't say it. I long hope to see Germany as a military power again, but as a neutral one. At least in the East, which was, historically, the heartlands of Prussia.
@@thequeenthinkingofname5969 the heartlands of Prussia were in what is now Poland
Makes me think of the American South from after the Civil War to this day and how there are still significant economic differences between Southern and Northern states. Also makes me wonder about what a unified Korea might face.
after reunification, all DDR institutions were destroyed, not integrated... military, police, courts, politics etc... big mistake.
The gap between the North (Union states) and South (Confederate states) prior to the American
Civil War (1860 - 1865) was huge. After the war, it took another 100 years for the South to begin
closing the gap (i.e.to become more similar to the North). Some claim that it was central air
conditioning that allowed the South to rise. I believe that two world wars, better communications
and national TV stations also helped.
The technology of central air conditioning was a boon for many places that became
retirement havens (Florida, South Carolina, etc.)
It is worth inquiring into the 19th century differences between Western German states and Brandenburg-Prussia in the East. The former were more liberal, urban, and bourgeois. The latter was conservative, agrarian, with a strong junker presence, and more militarist.
Important to note are also the makro economic differences. West germany is more decentralised while due to the lag of competetiveness the east is centralised. As in investments flow more into the bigger cities while in the west, every other bigger village or small city has at least a few big manufacturing companies that is sustaining the surroundings, the mittelstand.
and the difference between the southeastern united states and the northeast
I was a Canadian soldier in Germany between 1980 and 1986 I lived in the black forest area……and our mission was to fight the Communists and stop them and win a war on the Border with Austria Bavaria and Czechoslovakia...... when the Berlin wall came down and East Germany became part of the Federal Republic of Germany…… I found myself having been participant in the cold war and the end of communism…… every area of Germany is very different from any other area…… Trying to compare the difference between the East Germans and West Germans today…… Is interesting…… When I lived in Germany I tried to compare the mentality in the 1980s to the mentality in the 1930s and 40s
If the tax is 900 euros and the average wage is 170000 euros wtf is wrong with these people it’s negligible grow up
There is no way the average annual income in Germany is 170000 euros. Your numbers are wrong.
average wage of 170k €???? I don't know where ya got that absurd number from but most people can only dream of being that rich.
Very interesting video about the differences between two former Germany. To be honest this division will never disappear as in every single country in Europe, there are richer and poorer region. Of course history can explain why these regions have such a big contrast in terms of development/real wages. Similar issues can be seen in Italy between North and South, Spain, UK, even in Belgium as well. Perhaps the only differences that Germans put lots of money to help East Germany to get closer. Imagine if they would not?
It's a generational aspect, at least 3 generations were present during the fall of the wall: the "elder" (people about to retire), the common adults (who turned down the wall) and the young people (the ones growing up to this event).
20 years is barely a generational gap, and you could say the elder have not died out just yet, most are probably still alive due to the longevity of modern european lifestyle.
Until the young people of this event grow old, the divisions will be still very marked, even then there is still work to do for the german people.
Very interesting introspective of both politics and demographics, and their dynamics.
As a German (Northwest Germany) I really have to agree with this video, a critical but very realistic view of the very difficult subject.
Exaggeratedly viewed from the perspective of many West Germans:
Those in the East have new autobahns, cheaper rents, cheaper ancillary costs, virtually everything new and still grumble around every day. In addition, they also get the solidarity tax and we still pay for them, after so long time!
Exaggeratedly considered from the view of many East Germans:
What do they want from the West? They have closed our factories and thrown everything to capitalism. We get less pay and lower pensions and most large companies don't want to invest, so our children run off to the big cities.
My view:
Reunification was awesome, an astounding undertaking, and I'm proud to live in this country. A lot of mistakes were made during the reunification, it was very rushed. The people in East Germany lost virtually their entire future and security within a year and often had to completely reorient their lives, that very often recedes into the background at any debate and should also be taken into consideration.
The wall in the minds especially of the older generations is also a big problem, if not the biggest at all. I was born in 1988, for me only a united Germany exists and I think that very many from my generation think this way.
In the West of Germany, you've got almost all of the football clubs in the top tier, and in the east there is
What, maybe three? One of which is in West Berlin. And another is That Red Bull Team.
Also worth noting, East Germany is more likely to develop extremely good footballers- who then get paid in the western part of the country.
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Visualpolitics-Team, great job. I was complaining on your last Germany-Video right about the things you discuss here - nice job of getting informed and communicating those infos here! That's how quality press should work all the time.
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There is still a Federal Republic of Germany (BRD).
What many liberals from the west don’t get at all is that Eastern European and Russian communism was actually quite conservative and not leftist liberal.
East Asian communism/socialism: hold our rice wine & liquor.
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Soon Tesla will open a Gigafactory in East Germany just outside of Berlin.
Well done
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Those maps don't show any delineation except for population density.
A very old failure is the assumption of Germanys surplus in export against the Euromember. Money is crossing the border every day and every second. A state could rarely decide what and where a company or a consumer shall buy his products. Otherwise the market wouldn't be free. It would be against the law of Germany and the Eurozone.
Hopefully one day Germany can be homogenous.
I read that as, "Hopefully one day Germany can be humongous." and I thought, hmmmmm. . . we've all ready tried that. . . .
Germany has grand plans against Russia again you forget too easily
Germany has never been homogeneous. The North speaks Low German, which is closer to Dutch than German. They has always been a cultural divide, even during German unification. Many Germans are more patriotic to their state than the Nation overall (hence East Germany's suffering), but not in a way that they'd abandon the other of they were attacked.
And did the United States pay for the rebuilding of West Germany.
this reminds me of the american north and south post civil war, alot of the differences mentioned in this example could be said about the US even after a much longer period of unification
I don't think Germany will ever be completely homogeneous. But I think in the future the division will be more between rural and urban areas as some east german cities already reach higher per capita GDP and average income than many rural western german areas.
But as the east has far less urban centres and a larger portion of the population living in rural areas it will probably continue to seem like there is a bigger overall difference.
I'd like to think that the FDR & the GDR will one day be fully equal but I think it's going to take a while!
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What is a difference between West and East Germany DNA??
Yes they will look alike but apparently time needed is much longer then one for instance thought when the re unification happend . Really good case study for South Koreans.
Never knew these details, thanks.
There are some errors in this video. But it's because they looked at the wrong sources. Even most German people are not really aware, what went down.
Oh and if you really go down the historic route. The soviet union dismantled many factories in the GDR, build them up in their own territories, while the Rest of Germany had the Marshall plan. Still, there were many companies in the GDR that actually produced for the international market, not just the East Block. But those companies were not valued fairly, they were basically sold for peanuts to the West. Many companies that would have been profitable were dismantled. Overall, many things were not valued. Die Treuhand valued the about 8000 companies around 600 billion Mark! They were profitable! But then they devalued the money, 1:5, so all products became 400% more expensive, export became obsolete. So about 2/3 of the companies became bankrupt. And then the Treuhand covered all risk, all costs, all labour costs. Buying the companies for next to nothing with no risk. There is a very good video from the Satire magazine "Die Anstalt" that similar to Last week tonight with John Oliver analysed everything, that went down at the reunification, when it came down to the economy. They went the wrong way. If Korea ever becomes one again, I hope, they learn from all the mistakes Germany made.
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Germany is an great sample on what would happen to korea if it ever reunifies
I know that this has nothing to do with the subject, but i just need to let you all know that my stomach was hurting, i tried to fart, but then the worse have happened, im pausing the video in order to change my pants.
I do not believe that East Germany was only 3 times poorer than West Germany by the German reunification. I remmember in those days reading a newspaper with graphichs than showed the contrast of Germany, a country that contained both the richest regions of Europe and the poorest regions.
Old Fritz shouldn’t have messed with the Anglo gang, shame as I would love to have seen Dresden.
I think one aspect you did not quite discuss is the reason why Easterners vote for the AFD more. I think just like in e.g. Hungary, the reason is because these countries never had to face their past the same way Westerners did. While in the West, everyone during those nearly 40 years were taught what their fathers and grandfathers had done, in the East the Soviets kind of did not bother with giving an explanation to the people in the social sense. For example, in my native Hungary my parents were never taught in school that Hungary sided with the nazis on their free will, but were taught that it was the evil act of the "counter-revolutionists" (so everyone were to blame but the people who elected the leaders who then sided with Germany in WW2). People in East Germany or Hungary simply never really owned up to their horrible heritage the same way West Germans had to. (Obviously the overwhelming majority did, it just that they forgot about it more, rather than were ashamed of it.)
Do a video with the differnces between noth italy and south italy
It's unlikely Germany will ever be homogeneous. Hell, Western Germany is not homogeneous.
Hi,
As much as is correct in this video, a common mistake is being made. The cost of the reunification and the Solidaritätspakt is not just payed by the former west, all Germans pay the taxes, all Germans pay soli. Yes, the east didn't pay for all of it, because the economy crashed and its only 16 million people out of 80 million Germans. Still, they too are paying for infrastructure, its not that altruistic.
That bugs me, as someone living in the glorious city of Leipzig, in the former gdr, paying the soli, that westgermans say to my face, they'd payed for everything that I'm using.
Also, the money collected by the soli is now more then the German Government spends on rebuilding the east and its used for infrastructure in the whole country.
Otherwise I think, that cultural decides in Germany are more regional then just east and west, also north, middle, south... Its all quite different and one could do the same video with those regions.
As a uk citizen I personally think that Germany will become a good strong country again and the uk isn’t even in the same level of infrastructure and development of life quality the rest of Europe is gonna laugh at our poor choices of leaving the EU as they will say that is what happens when you leave
Well, mental divide will stay a while still since in unification all of east economical and military assets were literally squandered left and right without any second thought, while it could have been easily used to prep and reform the economy to faster catch up with the west. But as we know west simply decided for the people what to do with their assets.
14:10 - Saying that property of military were sold is ooouf, a lot of it was on practical terms simply given away since ALL of it was either given away or sold for less than 60% of market value
Taking few additional years to manage selloff of military equipment as well as reintegration of at least 14th of the military personnel woudl have saved sizeable amount of spending and would have cut the reintegration time by decade at very least, going for immediate gains will not produce long term gains.
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