Who’s the Best Quarterback in the NFL Not Named Mahomes? | The Rich Eisen Show
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Lamar is 1-2 against Allen what the hell is that person talking about. Furthermore Allen’s playoff stats and record is way better than Lamar’s
Rich is becoming one of my favorite sports commentators.
becoming?
Answering anyone besides Burrow or Allen as best QB after Mahomes is crazy
Not really. What have they done??
@@Aneeshtheraveyank Josh allen puts up unreal numbers on a bad team, burrow puts up amazing numbers and has winning records against mahomes and Allen. He also took his historically awful team to the superbowl in his 2nd year
@@thewvuguy that don’t mean anything. Burrow didn’t win the superbowl that year. Also Josh Allen didn’t have a bad team. He had a plethora of skilled players on his offense.
@@thewvuguy Lamar Jackson is the only correct answer.
@@Aneeshtheraveyanklol what have they done? He's been to the afc championship games and 1 superbowl appearance plus winning comeback player of the year. Allen hasn't done anything in the postseason. Burrow is without question the #2 QB in the league
Burrow and Allen have shown they can go toe to toe with Mahomes in the playoffs. Whether it's fair or not Lamar has not. He has consistently underachieved in the postseason.
Exactly great point
@@darnelldavis7842 And Lamar doesn't have the excuse of not having enough around him either, the Ravens are consistently one of the best rosters in the league.
@@matthewdennis1739Lamar never had a number one receiver like Allen, burrow and mahomes, and going toe to toe with mahomes in the playoffs, Lamar only lost by a touchdown, and at the end of the day Lamar, Allen, and burrow have zero Superbowl's 🤡, The only difference out of the three quarterbacks is that Lamar has two MVPs to there none lmao 🤣 🎤 drop racist white boy!!
@@RayWilson-bf5qz And Allen has never had a run game, and Burrow has never had an offensive line.
Not many QBs don't have a weak spot on their offense. It's not an excuse. The difference in his performance in the regular season and postseason isn't because of his receivers.
@@matthewdennis1739Lamar is the run game lmao
Since 2019 Josh Allen has 24 more total tds than the next closest quarterback
Now what about turnovers
Allen is a stud, idk why he gets so much hate
But also only 7 more than Mahomes over that period. If you include 2018 it isn’t even close as Mahomes had 56 TDs that year
@@youngboy3571 compare Allens record in his first 50 games started of his Career and Mahomes first 50 career starts, The only thing seperating them is rushing yards, Mahomes has like 200 more passing yards, but the TD stats and turnover stats are nearly identical. you put the stats lines against each other and take the names out of it you wouldnt be able to tell them apart. outside the rushing stats
Allen is the best QB in the NFL and has been for 3 years
I’d take Purdy over Lamar in a heartbeat, unless your goal is to lose playoff games…
If Lamar was in nfc he would have made super bowl.
Purdys best quality is being in a different conference from mahomes. Gives him a chance to make some playoff noise
Lamar and CMC with Debo , Ayuik and Kittle ... Shanahan calling plays would be unstoppable. Put Purdy on the Ravens with Andrews and a kicker lmao 🤣 that offence would be somewhere between the Steelers and Jets lmao 🤣😂
He says Lamar has a winning record against Allen, but actually they are 2-2 when you include playoffs. You know, bc allen won in their singular playoff matchup.
He is also counting a win where he came in late in the 4th quarter leading 47 to 3 and where lamar went 1 for 4 with a 50 qbr
Thanks for typing this so I didn’t have too. Caller is insane 😅
Caller is out of his mind Allen has DOMINATED Lamar in their REAL head to head matches....
Yal crazy if yal think Allen is better than Lamar
@@trueson5351 every stat on the planet says allen is better than lamar....
Allen has 20 rush tds more than " the best running qb." This is laughable. Lamar is overrated and Allen is the most dangerous athlete at the position
Most dangerous and had done…..nothing
@@gworld7926he’s done more for Buffalo than Lamar has done for Baltimore lmao & that’s a cold hard fact, Lamar wins awards because of affirmative action BS, sit alllll the way the fck down
@@gworld7926 Hes far better than lamar and stays healthy. He outperforms lamar in total yards and TDs and its not even close dude. He also made it to the afc chip 3 years before lamar did and managed more than just 7 pts so... Btw Lamars bs 2nd MVP award has become a joke because his team had the best record. He wasnt even top 5 in Passing and he still had fewer rush TDs than Allen. His first MVP dont even rank Top 30 all time and has been bettered by 5 other QBs, some more than once and they werent even given the MVP in those seasons. Hes overrated and too brittle.
No he’s not.
@@rjtherenegade7743 He really is..... Lamar is nothing without his legs, he finally got good receivers and always had good RB and defenses. 7 pts in a playoff is a joke for your MVP... Josh had 5 more pass tds, and 10 more rush tds than lamar and at least put up a fight in the big game. Lamar has proven over and over that hes a paper MVP/ good QB. Thats all he is.
Why does every person conveniently forget that Burrow went back to AFC championship after losing in the superbowl?
Because he’s never healthy. I agree at times he is great, but also these days it seems he’s never on the field
@@shoeless1137 Lamar missed two playoffs cause he was hurt... your point just fell apart in front of your eyes. Lamar has no afc championship win and no superbowl appearance just an mvp so the nfl can say they like black people.
Because it’s old news, burrow has to stay healthy.
@@billwe5772 lately Lamar is the one who’s much more healthy consistently. Idc about 4 years ago
@@shoeless1137 4 years ago? The season before last Tyler Huntley played the bengals because poor baby Lamar didn’t want to play? Did you forget about that?
One thing that people forget is when these QBs were drafted. Being the number 1 pick means you’re literally going to the worst team the year before. Imagine if Burrow was drafted to a team starting with a winning record with an established winning head coach? What Burrow has done for the Bengals I don’t think any of these QBs could have done.
Burrows not even the best player on his team offense, that is Jamar Chase, Lamar is the best player on his team, ouch!
Ah-what Josh has done is try mat amazing.
Buffalo was in shambles before Josh arrived
@@chetjablonski1993 bengals we 2-14 before burrow. 2 yrs later and his first full season = Super Bowl. Burrows two full seasons, we have a Super Bowl appearance and AFC Championship appearance (of which they destroyed the Bills at Buffalo)
The nfl mvp is a laughable joke now.. bad award.. Truly doesn't mean anything anymore.. Like it used to.. Its ust a popularity contest or To make a certain audience happy
Became the DEI awards
Aaron Rodgers won the MVP twice in a row and just like the rest of these guys choked when it mattered
Ya, it might sound bitter as a Bills fan but I think regular season MVPs are far overvalued when it comes to discussing who the best players are. The MVP is just an award they automatically give to the QB of the team w/ the best record. The Bills' defense was decimated with injuries & Diggs was absolutely sucking, yet Josh dragged the team from out of playoff contention to winning the division & being the #2 seed, but he didn't get consideration. And the Bills came the closest to beating Mahomes of any of the teams that played him this postseason, losing by an easy field goal that a decent kicker would've made.
I’m not going the racist route at all, they just went with who was popular to talk about on TV. And people were mad it wasn’t unanimous!! The MVP is becoming meaningless.
Josh Allen is dramatically better than Lamar Jackson. Let’s keep it all the way 100, idc care about MVP’s, Lamar has more turnovers than td’s in the playoffs and has a losing record in the playoffs
Y’all love talking talking about the playoffs when neither qb won a superbowl but 1 has 2 mvps and the other was mid asf before a coach and Diggs changed his life…
If Josh Allen had Lamar’s resume and Lamar had Allen’s you wouldn’t say that.
Y’all are weird as hell.
But yet, only one of them is a HOFr RIGHT NOW
That dude wasn't just MID asf HE WAS A ROOKIE. @almightyderic527
@@almightyderic527 change who life last time I checked diggs a nobody he had one high light catch with Viking and Sean as the coach what did he do before he got to buffalo? Josh made changes diggs & Sean career around let keep it 100 josh numbers was good before diggs got there
It's Joe Burrow and it's not close
Don’t be a homer without something to back it up
Can you give us a reason or two for your choice that's "not close" because I'd have a good rebuttal. I'm sure of that. I'm not a Burrow hater, at all, but I totally disagree with you and if you'd kindly give your reason or reasons for that choice, it'd be great. Let's hear it because I saw a great rookie year and then not so much after that. Injured yea, I get that year, but when he wasn't injured he was basically mediocre. Am I wrong, and if so, how?
If all 5 of those QB's retired today, Pat Mahomes & Lamar Jackson both go to the HOF.
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway All players with multiple MVP’s are in the HoF, Lamar has had a HoF career and he’s only 26.
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway Yea I'm sorry but your animosity towards Lamar for whatever reason is just clouding your knowledge of football in general. He's not only the greatest rushing QB of all time but also tied for the most perfect passer ratings in NFL history, one of the only 2 unanimous MVP's to ever play and is easily a first ballot HOF'er if he retired tomorrow.
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway What has Josh Allen won in the playoffs? 0 the same as Lamar, Bills made the playoffs by 1 game. Josh Allen led the league in turnovers how is that MVP caliber? 😂 it’s not who “deserves it”, it’s who earned it and Lamar did.
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway Josh Allen is a great player but he’s not better than Pat or Lamar. Lamar has 2 MVP, 2 all pros and been ranked number 1 in the league twice. Allen has accomplished none of that, stats means nothing when without winning. Lamar is fourth in the last 30 years in win percentage beyond Brady, Manning and Pat. Where is Josh Allen on that list? Lamar has been to an AFC championship and so has Josh Allen so the playoff argument can’t be used.
@JoshAllenIsthenextElway How can it be fake if every voter voted for him and the second time every voter but 1 voted for him? 😂🤦🏾♂️
I love how everyone brings up the Lamar having two MVPs yet they completely ignore the fact Allen is statistically better in every way. He literally almost doubled Lamars total TDs last year, yet somehow the MVP just so happened to fall into his lap. You can miss me with that BS. The disrespect Allen gets is insane
11 more ints last year, worse QB rating, effectively the same career QBR. Ravens have won 75% of their games with Lamar as a starter. Comparing Lamar and Allen isn’t disrespectful to Allen. Prescott threw more TDs than Allen last year, guess that means he’s better?
Allen’s Gota win
@@TylerFaith-tm1hj the Ravens won one more game than the bills with how many more pro bowl players than the Bills had? People need to stop confusing team accomplishments with individual ability. Dan Marino was one of the greatest QBs in NFL history but never won a super bowl. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. Does that make Dilfer a better QB than Marino? Jackson won MVP because the Ravens finished first in the AFC, not because he produced more than Allen. And the INT criticism is horseshit, when you have double the production, and when you have less help, you will have more turnovers. A good gauge to determine individual ability is to look at how each QB performed against the chiefs in consecutive weeks in last years playoffs, Allen played like superman and Jackson played like Lois Lane against the same exact defense. Jacson put up good numbers and he's a great QB too, but he was helped by a better supporting cast and was asked to do less. When you are asked to do less, you have less ints but you also have less yardage and tds. Against the champion chiefs, it required great play from each teams QB and Allen clearly played better than Jackson because Allen is a better QB that is more capable of carrying a team by himself.
It’s because Baltimore is a low volume passing offense. The Harbaugh’s love running the football.
It’s because he has better stats from a volume standpoint. Baltimore is a low volume passing offense that wants to run the ball. Lamar doesn’t get as many opportunities and they don’t call his number in the redzone when running the ball.
Josh Allen
All. Fu*king. DAY.
All fucking week!
All effin month
The indifference between Mahomes and Allen and everyone else is so absurd its embarrassing to even talk about. Burrow and Lamar couldnt carry Josh Allens golf bag lol.
It’s not particularly close
Watch out for Purdy with Pearsall and a full off season.
Exactly, last offseason he was recovering from elbow surgery and he still took the 49ers to the Super Bowl and nearly beat Mahomes.
For me it’s Lamar, but really I feel like good arguments could be made for him, Burrow, and Allen. I wouldn’t actually say that you’re wrong for choosing either of the other two.
No-one wants to talk about Nick Wright. Genuinely.
You clearly do
He may rub people the wrong way but that dude is smart and one of the best in the business IMO.
@@mrsatangto how is being a massive homer and refusing to listen to anyone else make a point about chiefs that might be slightly negative being one of the best in the business? Hes a clickbait host.
@@ajfatca He wouldn't be the homer he is if it wasn't for having the best player, best tight end, and arguably the best coach on the Chiefs. Until the Chiefs can't make a conference championship, most of his takes regarding the chiefs aren't wrong.
@@ajfatca he continues being right most of the time about the chiefs. you're just mad because you think he's annoying. he should be, because his team keeps winning. and because you find him annoying, one of two things is true: 1) you don't really try to listen to his points and his arguments or 2) you do listen and hear it but you don't want to admit he's often right. don't get me wrong, i don't blame you. it is what it is. annoying people that are right so often must be insufferable.
LOL classic Ravens fan calling in to cry about Lamar and bring up how he has a winning record over Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. Put up the banner in Baltimore for that if it means so much
Baltimore has more banners than Cinci and Buffalo combined...
inaccurate josh has won 2 outta 3 against lamar including 1 playoff win
Rich - Ravens fans hate Joe Burrow more than they hate themselves which is pretty impressive.
You can tell the was a Ravens fan on the line lol
@@RandomGuyAgain and it does make sense It read Arnett from Maryland 🤔
😂😂😂😂😂
What is Joe Burrows record when he plays against Lamar, it speaks for itself!
That's not true. I don't hate Burrow. He isn't even a threat.
But I do hate myself a whole lot.
I'm voting for Allen. He's exciting to watch, he's a beast to tackle. Just all around well rounded quarterback
Saying Lamar has a winning record over Allen is just wrong. 1) Winning is not a quarterback stat, there are another 52 players on the roster as well as coaches who all need to perform to win. QB is the most important player but isn't solely responsible for all wins or losses. 2) Lamar doesn't even have a winning record against Allen. The Bills and Ravens are 2-2 since they were drafted, but Allen and Lamar didn't start the first game. Since then the Bills are 2-1 and have a playoff win over the Ravens.
By every metric except INTs Allen is a much better passer than Lamar, and is overall more valuable for his offense. Allen has 4 straight seasons with over 4000 yards and 40 total TDs. Lamar has gone over 4000 total yards twice, never gone over 3700 yards passing, and had only 1 season with 40 total TDs.
If you are a QB wins and playoff wins guy, you should prefer Allen. If you are a stats guy, you should prefer Allen. Lamar's MVPs are impressive. He deserved the first, but last season would have been considered Allen's 3rd worst. Idk how Lamar actually won it.
Even then he is giving lamar credit for joe flacco leading the team to 47 points 0 of those points were scored when lamar was playing
@@StompinwindThey haven’t beaten Buffalo in 5 years
Lamar won because he was the QB for the team with the best record. Thats it. Had nothing to do with personal performance, he was average even compared to his first MVP season
Allen has like 30 more TDs than anyone else since 2019 and the 2nd most wins since 2018 behind only mahomes.
Josh Allen has a passer rating of 100.0 with 2,723 yards, 21 touchdowns and 4 interceptions in 10 games in the playoffs in his career.
Lamar Jackson has a passer rating of 75.7 with 1,324 yards, 6 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 6 games in the playoffs in his career.
There's not a single GM in the NFL who's taking Lamar over Allen. Not 1.
If winning doesn’t matter then why does everyone hold playoff wins against him?
As a lifelong Chiefs fan I can’t stand that the media just swoons over Josh Allen when I believe Burrow is really the closest all around quarterback to Mahomes
Lol just say you're an allen hater next time it'll be quicker 🤡
As a lifelong Chiefs fan I can’t stand that the media just swoons over Burrow when I believe Josh Allen is really the closest all around quarterback to Mahomes
You've got to be kidding. Allen is a human highlight film. If you asked Mahomes he would likely say Allen has the most talent. Hell, Allen has more talent than Mahomes, bigger, faster, better arm, but Mahomes has been on the better team. Mahomes was one play away from losing to Mr. Irrelevant. Mahomes is the luckiest player with talent and that is why he's won 3 SB. Purdy looked way better than Mahomes until that last drive which is on the defense.
Lamar is 2-2 against Josh Allen including a playoff game. He is 2-1 regular season and 0-1 post season. Allen has far more pass and rush TDs and 7,000 more passing yards and has more post season wins, including one against Lamar.
Lamar keeps on fucking up in the playoffs over and over. His team's victories have been over Ryan Tannehill and rookie CJ Stroud 💀💀💀
It’s Allen, Burrow, Lamar in that order. If Burrow stays healthy and goes back to the playoffs and wins, that changes things.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 is it because they white? Gotta be cause neither won a superbowl and only 1 has a mvp. And burrow is 1-4 vs Lamar and Allens best nfl moment was LOSING to Pat mahomes 😂😂😂
@@almightyderic527 notice I didn’t say Allen, Burrow, Purdy. THAT would have been racist. What’s your order?
Dude said Burrow went on a Linsanity run as if Burrow didn’t lead the Bengals right back to the AFC title game the following year after starting that year 0-2. C’mon now.
Now, I’m a die-hard Bengals fan, and at this moment in time I do think that Lamar Jackson is the 2nd best QB in the NFL. I’m impress with Lamar’s overall talent and greatness. But just as there are questions about Burrow’s durability (which is fine), there are questions about Jackson’s clutchness in a game’s critical moments (which is fine, too).
And until one of them wins a Super Bowl first, what’s gonna keep this whole Burrow/Jackson debate going throughout their careers is just that: Durability vs. Killer Instinct.
So may the best QB win.
5/14/24 | 12:50 a.m. | EDT
Lamar’s OC’s fail him, not the clutch moments. Consistently the best regular season rushing offense in the league and then playoffs start and the whole script changes. You can’t have your RB1 and RB2 have single digit carries combined - you’re asking to fail. Also Lamar didn’t make Flowers fumble on the goal line. Just like everything in sports there’s *** on it, but anyone watching the games cannot blame Lamar’s ability in big games. He gets straight let down by the game plan.
Mahomes got the SB this year because after getting clapped by the Raider’s D they figured out to game conservatively. That’s good coaching. Ravens honestly have some pretty poor coaching in big games as of late.
Edit: Kansas City Native. We had no business beating Baltimore but thanks Harbs and Monken.
Burrow peaked in the 2021 season. He'll never get back to the SB.
@@benjaminschmitt3225 - All-time great quarterbacks’ legacies are made in the playoffs by overcoming setbacks and hard challenges. Lamar had more total yards against Kansas City in a loss than he did against Houston in a win, but because Baltimore stream-rolled Houston on the ground by rushing for nearly 250 yards nobody noticed. Baltimore knew they couldn’t apply that offensive philosophy against Kansas City. Mahomes and Reid are too smart and talented for that, so they HAD to change their game plan for the AFC title game. And turnovers will happen. Yeah, Lamar didn’t make Flowers fumble on the goal line (which, by the way, Flowers was trying to score when that happened), but Flowers didn’t Lamar fumble in the 2nd quarter or make Lamar throw one of the most boneheaded INT in NFL playoff history either. You can’t put that on the OC.
5/15/24 | 11:45 a.m. | EDT
@@Echo__plex - Except Burrow’s 2022 performance was better than his 2021 performance, and if not for that idiot Ron Tolbert giving Kansas City an extra 3rd down in the 4th quarter of a tied AFCCC game and Ossai putting his hands on Mahomes giving Butker a 45-yard FG instead of a 62-yard FG, who’s to say that we wouldn’t won that game. But yeah Burrow *”peaked”* in 2021.
So go ahead with your opinion because at the end of the day your opinion ain’t fact.
5/15/24 | 11:55 a.m. | EDT
Burrow has the same amount of touchdowns as Lamar in the playoffs
Brock Purdy has done everything that he's been asked to do except beat the best QB in the league.
So he hasn’t done everything he was asked to do then…
@@rfitzpatrick723 he came back from elbow surgery and performed better than other QBs
Its burrow, hes only played 2 full seasons yet he's accomplished more in the postseason than any of these guys.
Switch burrow and Allen straight up and Allen has a chip
Wins are not a QB stat
“Yeah you can talk about other networks”
*Barely mentions the name Nick Wright*
“Thanks for the call Arnette…”
Is there any beef between the two?
@@krohithreddy I hope so lol. Love Rich & hate Nick.
Guy is completely right , why don’t yall give Jalen Hurts the same love for making the Super Bowl ?
Cuz his team was the most stacked out of everyones
@@themaverick1898 so is Burrow , what other QB been playing with 3 #1 wide receivers?
@@kingroyalty9621 he has had the worst O line out of all of em. Hurts had arguably the best.
@@themaverick1898 man please …is that what the media talk u into believing? lol
@@themaverick1898 debatable, Purdy and Hurts clearly had better rosters than the others who lost to Mahomes. And I’m a birds fan.
As a chiefs fan…I would want J.Burrow or J.Allen….Anyone after that…ehhh!
Id take CJ Stroud over Burrow and Allen.
Herbert? Who’s won in KC multiple times, and if his defense could hold a lead at the end of the game he’d have 3 or 4 wins against KC already.
@@salromeri192 bro lost to T law..............and he threw 4 picks........................... stop. he couldve just ran the ball the entire rest of the game and they would have won........ such a dumb qb maybe run and take a sack and maybe the clock keeeps running. maybe you can win a 27 point lead......... a 20 point lead at half with 3rd Quaarter start...... bahahahahahahahha........... stop
@@jeffreywillis4258that’s the most insane thing I’ve ever heard, he has one season that’s good and gets blown out the playoffs but he’s over Joe & Josh?
@@AlucardMM
No contest at all really.
For the life of me, I canNOT understand how folks throw their own criteria completely out of the window for certain QBs. In the SAME sentence and breath, Rich says “while Lamar has the regular season accolades, he only has 2 playoff wins” but proceeds to put Herbert- who only has one playoff APPEARANCE in the conversation. Smdh
Lol lamars had elite team since day one herberts never for a single game had an elite team or coach
@@davwes8594 clearly you are trolling. Or you just don’t know/watch football. Herbert and the Chargers roster has been ranked in the top 5-3 and pre-season picks for the Super Bowl every year since his rookie year. The Ravens agave rarely been discussed, and the WR corps has been bottom 10-15 each year except last. Not to mention they have been without their #1 RB for the majority of 3-4 seasons.
@@davwes8594Yeah you’re loud and wrong. Shhhhh
Man o man, let's see these takes hold up as this season progresses.....Who Dey
facts brrrr is better than mahomes, mahomes just had better coaching and a better o line now that bengals got their o line fixed it's over, not to mention chiefs had the refs
@@getbrainseedshow tf is burrow better than Mahomes when he's not won anything and has missed almost half his career to injury? Bruh I need whatever drugs your on
@@getbrainseeds 😂
The fact that Mahomes is so good that you feel the refs are on the chiefs side, just shows that Mahomes is that much better.
Lmao this Allen/Jackson stuff cracks me up. Jackson isn’t in Allen’s stratosphere as a passer or overall scorer. Cut this out. And beat him head to head in the playoffs 🤦🏽♂️
Yet one has 2 MVPs the other has literally nothing to his name.
@@JohnDoe33408mvp means nothing dude, Allen is so much more talented
We've been so desperate to force a Mahomes vs Someone rivalry. Might as well be Caleb Williams at this point
Lamar is the only QB that's close. 2 MVPs in the last 5 years, especially considering he's only played 3 full seasons, is pretty remarkable.
@@tylerboswell7380 Being good outside of facing Mahomes doesn't make him a rival to Mahomes. Burrow and Allen have taken Mahomes to multiple great game finishes and OT games, Lamar consistently lays an egg against the Chiefs.
It's coming lol They were saying he's the next Mahomes, his last 2 seasons.
Another Quality season of football is fast approaching
Burrow has beaten him a couple times
That last statement hurt...
The mighty Lamar Jackson, who is so good that everyone complained about him throwing the ball too much in the AFC Championship. If everyone agrees that your quarterback keeping the ball is detrimental to your team's chance of winning, then your quarterback isn't the second best guy in the league.
throwing the ball too much against a defense that was literally in full pass defense. You don't want to do that with any QB.
@@tylerboswell7380 allen has done it since 2018. Buffalo faces the least amount of stacked boxes every year.
@JohnDoe-kh6mt Please stop it. Your team was out of the playoff picture last year when Josh was throwing the ball all over the field. You fired your OC and started running the ball more and you made the playoffs. You have Josh's toothpaste all in your mouth and it's pretty sad.
@@tylerboswell7380 The Chiefs were 1 on 1 with all the Ravens receivers. They were daring Lamar to throw, and that's exactly what he did. Go rewatch the game if you want, but the Chiefs obviously were not selling out to stop the pass.
How many playoff games has he won? Because Allen has won quite a few more
The best quarterback is not named Mahomes…He’s named Josh Allen.
Also, why do we have to keep acting like Lamar Jackson is good? It’s absurd.
Agreed. That MVP award was just bizarre.
So excited to read this comments section
If you are counting injuries, then sure knock burrow back. But if healthy, burrow is easily ahead of Allen
Will we ever see a healthy burrow he's addicted to recovery he said it him self, so he's ready to get injured again
Lmao, why because of one playoff game where allen played the worst he's played in like 3 years?
Go look at the stats. Allen sons burrow in the stat sheets. And he's an Ironman. Burrow is glass. That matters more than anything. Best ability is availability.
Easily????
I'd take Purdy over anyone but Mahommes on any given Sunday. Even Lamar.
He’s not better than Lamar😂
Youngest 2 time MVP 😂
@@xavieonedavis1318 mvp's aren't guaranteed titles.
Allen has 100 more TDs than Lamar, I can keep going too….
No don't keep going, you might hit the turnovers and MVPs. You stopped just in time.
@@JohnDoe33408more playoff wins, more reg season wins, etc
I can keep going.
Lamar hasn’t beaten Buffalo in over 5 years.
Your boys MVP awards are meaningless…
Josh had 2-1/2x more playoff wins and 21 more total playoff touchdowns.
Get outta here kid w/Lamar….
@@chetjablonski1993 Your boy's....uhh well nothing is meaningless because he hasn't won anything LOL.
& if they both retired today, Lamar goes to the HOF. Allen just goes home lol
Glock Purdy!
"Burrow went on a Linsanity run" had me CACKLING cuz for real it was that 2021 run that had people saying he's better than Mahomes even. I needed that, thanks Arnett.
He aint better than mahomes tho.
@@gawdtheblessedone4681 exactly
@@gawdtheblessedone4681Except everyone was saying that after 2021 lmao
@@gawdtheblessedone4681had the nfl not rigged that Super Bowl burrow would be looked at as better
In 2022 they went 12-4 and Burrow was 3rd in MVP voting? Get educated
Arnett said "Lamar had a winning record against Josh Allen" lmao bro what games are you watching?!
I’m almost positive Lamar does not have a winning record against Allen. They played during their rookie seasons but Allen came in relief of Nathan Peterman and threw like 6 passes in the 4th when the Ravens were up by several scores so that doesn’t count. The Ravens won in 2019 but the Bills won in the 2020 divisional round and in 2022.
Might be missing one in there but Lamar most certainly doesn’t have a winning record against Allen.
Lamar is 2-1 against him
@GuRuGuy1 Nah you’re wrong, just checked schedules from 2018-2023. Allen is 2-1 vs Lamar.
@@GuRuGuy1LOL no he's not.
@@GuRuGuy1what, last time they played them they was up 20-3 we came back and won, and playoff game pick 6 to the house.. Bills when
Lamar got hurt in the playoffs lol it still counts
Who’s a better athlete? Or who plays the position better? Because I’m pretty sure Brock Purdy is the best NFL quarterback right now. The stats don’t lie. Is he the most gifted athlete?
At the end of the day... Lamar style of play doesn't lead to victories deep in the Playoffs. It's more of a gimmick offense if you ask me...
Raven’s having the #1 rushing attack in the NFL and then giving RB1 and RB2 like 5 carries doesn’t lead to victories deep in the playoffs**
It’s not a gimmick.. they just didn’t run the game plan that brought them success all year. Not rocket science. Even Mahomes hands the ball off more.
Josh Allen been the best QB in the league since 2020 not named Tom Brady.
The guy with multiple MVP’s probably. Harbs and Roman did Lamar no favors in the playoffs. Monken trolled 2023 vs the Chiefs by not running the ball at all.
Truth. 30 mph wind gusts, they ran the ball very well then decided to just pass it. Went for 2 long field goals which Tucker missed. Bills kicker missed one too. Poor game plan. They should have kept running the ball and gone for it or punted on fourth down when a fg was over 40 yards.
Between Lamar, Josh, Burrow & Mahomes in the playoffs: Lamar is the only one to lose to all of them. The other three have between 1, 2 or all of them in the playoffs.
Lamar never loss to Burrow in the playoffs. Lamar didn't play in the playoffs that year and Burrow still almost lost to Tyler Huntley.
Lamar has never beaten any of this group in the playoffs nor has he ever shown up.
Thr MVPs are just glorified BET social awards these days, 🤦🏽♂️
As a Steelers fan I'd say stop arguing with"steelers" fans that want Tomlin fired. It's not his coaching those"fans" don't like.
if it's not his coaching then what else could it be 🤷
"Oh, I don't want to talk about Nick Wright."
The 49ers definitely don't see any need to pay attention to Nick Wright, either. Which seems to be driving Nick Wright crazy. But, yeah, I'm a 49ers fan, and I would have had Purdy more like 5th on that list. 2nd is still a bit high right now.
I’d have purdy around 12th. We have no proof he’s a top 10 guy. Same darnold played as well as he ever did on the 49ers
@@TheCephalonDarnold hasn’t even played a single full game. That’s a ridiculous sample size to work off of. At least from Purdy we have a season and a half and two postseason runs.
@@Elliottklassen49ers literally made Jimmy G look good😂. Brock ain’t top 5 or even 10
Purdy is just slightly better Jimmy G. If they pay him anything more than 30 mil a year, the 49ers are never sniffing another Super Bowl.
@@Freddie7191that’s the thing. Niners fans love their guy, which is totally fair.
But if he’s a top 5 QB, they should have no issues giving the man 60 million. But lie detector on not a single Niner fan would be willing to do that.
The final take is this:
Of Lamar, Joe & Josh-who still has a nominal shot of unseating Mahomes????
Only Josh, only Josh
Lamar needs to win something. Until then, he's just a very talented player that chokes under pressure.
Lamar has more MVPs than those other guys combined may ever win in their lives. And the same number of rings.
Wins? Ravens D, OL and organization is top notch! Dilfer and Flacco won Super Bowls with the Ravens. He should win regular seasons games with that team
Burrow was about to go to back to back super bowls lol. Ravens have had super teams with Lamar and he can’t do it. He’s a great qb but his mind is elsewhere during the playoffs where it matters most.
Why do people keep saying, QB "A" has a winning record against QB "B"?
These guys aren't fighting in a cage. Sometimes a QB can do everything right, but the rest of the team under performs.
Lamar’s 2 MVP seasons were the weakest MVP stats. No way he should’ve won last year. Lamar always has a first round exit
What's criminal is how Allen hasn't won a MVP yet but Lamar get's a 2nd one with a pretty mediocre season last season.
Lol and if ppl actually watched games lamars ball placement was god awful last year, his oline and wr carried that offense completely
@@davwes8594I can tell YOU didn’t watch Baltimore play lol.
He does not have a winning record vs Allen. He’s 1-2 vs Allen. Allen blows him outta the water dude it ain’t close
JOSHUA. PATRICK. ALLEN.
The end
He has accomplished NOTHING at his tenure at the bills other than losing to Mahomes. So him and Lamar are at the same playing field. Burrow is the only one that has beat him so obviously it’s Burrow
@@justinkane2739isolating an argument to one factor. Debating 101 🙄
@@tomgillotti it’s the only factor that matters beating the best…
@@justinkane2739 it’s a major factor, but again, isolation of one factor isn’t appropriate, especially in this instance. Agree to disagree.
@@tomgillotti okay the other factors? MVPs- Lamar, Most Accurate- Burrow, Running- Lamar, Team Around Him- Lamar, important Victories against Mahomes- Burrow. Josh doesn’t win a single factor against the other 2
Jackson already hits his heights. When his legs are gone so are his days of being top 10
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Allen and if you were to even suggest someone else you need to either get off the meds or get on them. This is such a absurd question its impossible to take serious.
Lamar hasn't done well in the playoffs. The greats are measured by championship and beating the champs.
That last comment by Rich was ruthless. "There is nothing funny about it these days.". Geez Eich.
I really like this guy's show. I know he's been around a long time, but it wasn't until the past year or two did I realize what a great interviewer and commenter he is. Also, I don't think this caller is correct about Lamar having a winning record agains Josh Allen. In fact, I think he's wrong about that. I think Allen is two and one against Lamar. Maybe I'm wrong though. Great topic here as well. I'm biased because I'm a Bills fan, but I'd go with JA and then Lamar as the best after Mahomes.
Burrow is the best. Full stop.
If you worry about pre-season power rankings you got too much time on your hands. The only ranking I care about happens after all the games are played and there is one eventual winner. Theses rankiings are a way to keep people engaged during the dull off-season that is it, they mean nothing.
Lamar and Josh have a 2-2 record vs each other. Dunno what this caller was smoking
He does not have a winning record against Allen lol he is 1-2 against Allen
I why wouldn’t you want Purdy over Lamar? Idk…what happened when they played?
As for Lamar’s MVP’s, I think he deserved his first, but, as a Chiefs fan being completely objective…Josh Allen should have gotten it last year. MvP’s are nice, but they’re a popularity contest. Lamar’s 2-4 record in the playoffs is what matters. A healthy Joe Burrow has never not made the AFC title game, Lamar did it once.
One would say that Lamar was injured the 2 years Burrow made to the AFC Championship game. The Bengals have not been in 1st in the AFC North when Lamar is healthy.
Exactly. Playoff wins and what a QB does in the postseason are what matters. Burrow is the only guy on this list who has gone into Arrowhead with everything on the line and won by coming back down 18 points. Lamar is the king of the regular season but chokes when it matters
Josh Allen
Before Diggs-Average
With Diggs-MVP Candidate
Diggs gone-?
I’m still rolling with Lamar over Burrow & Allen
Burrow gets crazy credit for beating the Chiefs when his defense shut them out for a whole half
In terms of pelts on the wall/on their resume, Lamar has the best career of the 3 so far. 2 time 1st team All Pro, 2 time MVP, 3 or 4 time Pro Bowler (which doesn't mean much anymore, but whatever). Lamar is the only as close to guaranteed HOFer of the 3 so far. All three do have injury concerns to me. Overall, Burrow has had the worst injury history with the ACL tear and the wrist injury, which apparently is an injury that one doctor said has never happened to any other QB in NFL history. But, of the three, Allen's play style most scares me as a possible cause for a shortening of his career. He runs like Cam, trying to truck and jump over guys. Lamar's better at getting out of bounds and getting down to avoid big hits. I wouldn't be surprised if Allen suffers a shoulder injury or two due to his running style. People will say Lamar's running is why he got hurt but both times, he was tackled inside the box while trying to throw the ball, where the majority of QB injuries happen.
Has Lamar had shortcomings in the playoffs? Yes, but he's also gotten better every year. 2019, people wondered whether that offense could last over an entire season, he goes 14-2 with it. 2021, it was, could he come back when down by 7 points or more? Double digit comeback wins over the Chiefs, Colts and Vikings showed he can. 2023, can he win while passing more consistently in a new offense, answer is yes. The only question remaining is can he win in the playoffs? Obviously remains to be seen but he's gonna have the Ravens in a position to try and answer that question by the end of this season.
This is why some fans are blind. Lamar actually has a losing record against Allen. They have faced each other 3 times and Lamar won the 1st game. 1 of of those losses is in the playoffs.
Purdy would've went to the Superbowl the year before if hadn't gotten hurt in the game
It's Allen and it isn't even close
doesn't have 2 mvps
Notice how Tua never makes these lists?
When Tua puts together more than half a season and wins a playoff game, we can argue about tua
Dak MIGHT be #5 at BEST
Lamar has 2 MVPs and a final 4 appearance. Joe Burrow has made the final 4 twice and has a SB appearance. Josh Allen has 1 final 4 appearance. Broccoli P has 1 final4/SB appearance. There's a lot more to it all, but you can pick any of these guys as the #2. It's difficult getting to these heights.
Wrong.. Purdy started the NFCCG 2 years in a row now, and 1 SB .... try agaiin
Brock purdy no doubt!
People, we can’t just ignore the fact that Lamar had been working w a mediocre receiver core until this past year
lamar mvp of choking
Burrow
Lamar Jackson is 1-2 including the playoffs against the bills in games he started… He had a whopping 162 yds and 58% completion rate in the game against the bills in the playoffs.
If Allen had those stats every rock muncher would be like,”See he’s garbage!!!!!11111”
Lamar Jackson doesn’t have a linsanity run all he has are personal accolades and an embarrassing stat line in the playoffs, particularly his win loss
They said the same thing about Peyton Manning when he was 2-4 in the playoffs to start his career.
@@jtime62493 you ravens fans love to spout off this random tidbit. Guess what, there are a lot of bad QBs that started off 2-4 in the playoffs… who’s to say he won’t end up like them. I’ll change my tune if he ever gets it done….. but I doubt he ever does. Most overhyped QB of the last 20 years or longer
@@tylerscott3979history says he’s going to win a Super Bowl.
@@Finnissee0122 actually…. History tells us he’s gonna flop in the playoffs
@@tylerscott3979 no 2x mvp hasn’t won a ring. Lamar is in good company.
Burrow lost in the superbowl and accident prone stop ✋🏾 living in the past, what has he done lately NOTHING!!
went to AFC championship game next year. Before he got injured last year,he went to SF and destroyed them.Beat Bills easily too,
JOSH ALLEN NFL..MONSTER .just got a trio..of 6..4..BEASTS . he will go .beyond .MONSTER .
Lamar does NOT have a winning record vs Buffalo.
He’s 2-2 vs Allen and 0-1 in the playoffs
Lol and the first game was like Allen's first career start in a downpour
Burrow and Allen are tied for #2 both have strengths that put them over lamar
The answer is Stroud!
Why is it when people talk about players or coaches they pick and choose how to look at stats. I hear how Lamar has only won 2 playoff games even though he has 2 MVP’s but then I have to hear how great Mike Tomlin is because he has never had a losing record but he has not won a playoff game in almost a decade.
Naming anyone but Allen and you’re wrong
Allen is 2-1 vs Lamar including playoffs
Lamar is mid as shown in the playoffs, the MVP from this year is the most mid MVP ever. He got the MVP bc he was in the best team & beat the other MVP competitors. His stats in 2023 were mid compared to the 2019 MVP.
He’s mid cause he can’t pass and still runs like he’s loose in Miami
In the playoffs, Lamar has never beaten Mahommes or Allen. Mahommes has SB wins and Allen has overall better stats and records than Lamar. Also, Allen has the perfect playoff game whereas Lamar isnt the main reason the Ravens made it to the playoffs, it was their defense.