@@clairekennedy7719 not really. Doesn't matter how good cpu precision is, if they are predictable, then you can exploit them. That's why playing against cpus can make you worse at playing actual people. People adapt.
I for the life of me could not get an IDJ from neutral at normal speed. However, doing it by buffering the first jump out of anything makes it SO much easier, I didn't even need L for jump anymore. For example, at the near end of any move's lag, Press Y, then Y + A.
This is an important tech for falco but yes it’s much easier to buffer the first jump you can get perfect with just one jump button. But that’s only mid combo doing it in neutral is where you could need different controls
little note bout this tech, a short hop aerial does less damage than a full hop / double jump aerial. That means it also makes you win a few % and I think this is a kinda interesting point with characters that struggle in wracking % or killing.
When you have to double jump with specific requirements like this, tap jump actually works pretty well. You want to full hop here, and using two buttons instead of control stick can decrease consistency by spending more energy on timing it.
When i started using a pro-controller i put jump on L because i was like why tf would i waste 4 potential inputs on just grab and shield? I think its pretty useful
Just a note on this: IDJ into aerials means that the aerial comes out 3 frames faster because it avoids having to wait for the jumpsquat animation to end in a regular full hop. You end up with roughly the same height with a 3 frame advantage, thereby opening up a large number of potential, previously undiscovered combos. Also, the way to know that you're doing this correct is to look for the double jump circle that appear. It should appear right at ground level, and no higher. Lastly, you can also buffer the first jump during a character animation, then initiate the second jump as soon as jump squat starts, which is much easier in certain situations.
Did you know Sheik can actually hit a good chunk of characters with a reverse pivot-cancelled f-tilt? As in a pivot cancelled f-tilt, but you face away from the opponent rather than towards them? It also launches the opponent towards Sheik when she does this, too. I'm still not too sure if it's useful, but it might be something to look into.
I'm glad the rest of the characters are finally starting to use it, I know kirby, pit, and the characters with the weird floaty double jump have been doing this forever, I can't wait to see what sheik can do
Tap jump makes this trivial, as it can be buffered. I suggest learning tap jump guys. This is a pretty crucial tech. It allows more combos with heavies such as bowser and incineroar and glass cannons like jigglypuff, pichu, sheik, etc.
Ivysaur can use this tech too. If you grab your opponent at 0%, you can Down Throw -> IDJ Nair -> Up Air -> Up Air or Down Throw -> IDJ Nair -> Nair -> Up B
@@andymcclurg9916 falco js diferent then this, the buffered rising double jump is diferent to this dude, I main falco and this is much faster and difficult
I’ve been using this with Byleth and Marth. Turned Tap Jump on just to use it. For Byleth I use it in neutral and get people with the double fair all the time. Not to mention it gives the hitbox a little more vertical coverage. With Marth I’ve been using IDJ Uair OOS as an alternative to up b at higher percents. Since you can shift your momentum so much backwards, it seems way safer than dolphin slash.
As a Peach player, this is just another thing to practice lol. I actually use this tech in conjunction with float-canceling (IDJCFF?) to give her just a bit more range when doing something like bair. It's a lot easy to do after already inputting something because you can actually buffer an IDJ during endlag or landing lag.
Yeah I feel like mk is a winner with this tech, I’m also waiting to see the spacies, maybe I’ve climbers, the rats, maybe the links or some of the swordies, and probably ness/Lucas
Yeah, characters like Falco, Gren, and Lucas have been doing this tech for months, of not a year, now. But now it's finally mainstream and I hope to see it more. Lucas has crazy kill confirms with it
I feel like learning this tech is like learning how to wave dash in melee. It’s weird at first, but once you have timing, you just gave yourself more options.
I'm wanting to use both gamecube triggers for jumping and special for short-hop needles, but I think it will take about 1,000 hours of game play to become as proficient with a face button as shield. 20 years of having shields on trigger buttons is not easy to overcome. They say it takes 1,000 hours to master a new skill. Edit: It may be easier to just switch to tilt jump for needle combos and just deal with the periodic unintended IDJ.
a cool application to this is in gannons fair. With a normal full hop fair you have a good amount of landing lag, but with IDJ it has no lag and reaches the same height making it a better option. This is true for DKs fair aswell.
Have jump set to a shoulder button, tap jump on x or y as if you were short hopping and then immediately after or at the same time input a jump on the shoulder button, this the easiest way to do a IDJ
If you change your controls and haven't done World of Light, it's a pretty good excuse to kill two birds with one stone. Forty hours of that slog will commit the new scheme to muscle memory, and you will get all the spirits too. A lot of the World of Light battle mechanics are strange, so it's usually bad for practicing Smash in general. However, for something as basic as (re)learning the control scheme, it's fine.
Meta Knights and Bayos have been doing this for a long time. Meta knight for plenty of uair starters and extensions, and Bayo for utilt bair pre and post 8.0.0
I can't imagine it having too much utility for the Shotos, more so Ryu than Ken but they're ground based most of the time so might have to practice it with Ken nair > up air strings
All my high level Falco mains stand up. We were on the wave waaay before everyone just found out about this 😂. The common term is “active hop” but I call it the Falco hop because that’s the character that this tech originated with. Up throw, “Falco hop” uair, drag down nair, whatever, whatever lol. Can also do it after up tilt but the window is between 20-35%
This tech is really useful for falco, since some percentages you can do up tilt into IDJ up-air, and still being that height can get another up-air or on tri plat follow ups
People who don't think this tech is worth it will be the ones who get annihilated by IDJ combos in tourney. This is huge for combo game on all combo heavy characters, shame it took this long for this to get discovered and labbed out.
HUGE TIP FOR IDJ: You can buffer your first jump super early when you’re in endlag, giving you a 4 frame window to time your second jump. This can be when landing, after a tilt, after a throw, after a roll, etc. So doing idj is super practical and pretty easy after something like sheik f tilt but becomes much harder if you want to use it from a standing position. I have been doing this forever with bowser jr and didn’t even know it was a “tech” lol (Like so void can see. I really hope it helps him out)
Everyone said ZSS ladders weren’t possible in the early stages of Ultimate but i learned a long while back being a a lab rat that IDJ makes her ladder combos very consistent.
i find it interesting that this tech has been known to falco players for a while now bc you can do upthrow ->IDJ upair->dragdown nair onto a platform->grab/uptilt (meta of smash has a vid on this th-cam.com/video/GSsz7CJd7Uo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MetaOfSmash)
I'm surprised some top players didnt know about this. I learned about it months ago watching tournament sets. I thought it was something everyone just knew about already
It's actually not the same thing. Double tapping jump isn't as frame perfect as doing the inputs for idj. You can see the white circle almost at ground level when doing idj
Let’s just say with sheik, you have a quarter of a second to jump twice. Also void, I found that doing a full hop input instead of short hop to start is easier.
I don’t think this will ever be consistent enough to be used a lot. I’m a pro player and labbing this I just couldn’t get this consistently. Unless someone can do it with at least a 50% success rate I can’t imagine it’s going to be a game changer. Maybe for tap jump users but I don’t use tap jump and I didn’t try it.
I mean this is cool and all, but i thought this tech was already discovered lol. I guess I've been using it unintentionally. Either way I can't wait to see how much this will hopefully advance the meta.
@@lxvi2441 Tap jump is such a flawed solution that's more of a workaround than anything. I shouldn't have to fight the controls in order to express what I want to do. Having two designated buttons would lower the skill ceiling for casuals while not penalizing top players' options. Instead of jumping through all these hoops - changing your controls, burning your double jump, learning how to play with tap jump, etc. - nintendo could just give us 2 separate buttons and the problem would be solved. The point of controls is so that you can express yourself through your character. Better controls = better means of expressing yourself. So if you're telling me I have to grind hours to learn the exact timing of a set of inputs just so I can get instant full hop aerials, then that's a barrier that prevents me from expressing what I want to do in-game.
YAMAHA-MEHA yessir it's called a skill barrier. tap jump works just fine as you can use it as a short hop or full hop. grind for six hours and learn the input, it's still possible. execution barriers can be passed, it's what separates good players from bad players
@@lxvi2441 Nah dude, he's right. You are literally masquerading a design flaw(making a button function as you want it to shouldn't require skill and hours long grinding sessions ) as an intended skill barrier made by the devs. Lol no. Otherwise they wouldn't have developed the instant short hop mechanic in the first place if that were the case. It's not cool to be a bootlicker you know...
Waterblade knights it's not being a bootlicker lmao. the devs didn't put it in there they just didn't see a reason to make an entire button dedicated to short hopping when the mechanic of the jump button already has short hop ingrained into it. it's not a design flaw either. it's something smash has lived with for 23 years and we'll continue with it. you can't expect the devs to put it in when it's a niche thing. they don't pander to the competitive community at all and that's their decision. just figure out how to do the mechanic you want properly instead of waiting weeks for the devs
I just saw the tech video earlier I really need to try it I think it might give bayonetta the option to use rising nair oos or bair out of a parry which will be really nice
I’ve done this before with joker and i started labbing combos but i didnt think they were any good so i didnt think this was any good, its alot easier out of throws and if u use stick jump.
Cant wait for the level 9 CPU’s to start using this tech next patch
It’s really weird that lv 9s get all this character tech and on point inputs down but just are really easy
@@clairekennedy7719 not really. Doesn't matter how good cpu precision is, if they are predictable, then you can exploit them. That's why playing against cpus can make you worse at playing actual people. People adapt.
And people DI
Bro the joker cpu does fair 1 drawdown combos
thatdude I had a cpu do a full 65% bayo combo on me 🤡🤡🤡
I for the life of me could not get an IDJ from neutral at normal speed.
However, doing it by buffering the first jump out of anything makes it SO much easier, I didn't even need L for jump anymore.
For example, at the near end of any move's lag, Press Y, then Y + A.
Shouldn't it be Y + A + Y/L/R?
@@matthewgonzaga2778 It should be, but pressing the 2nd jump and A at the same time works better for me.
I love your botw glitch videos, didnt expect to see u here!
This is an important tech for falco but yes it’s much easier to buffer the first jump you can get perfect with just one jump button. But that’s only mid combo doing it in neutral is where you could need different controls
I use tap jump. Does that make it harder?
little note bout this tech, a short hop aerial does less damage than a full hop / double jump aerial. That means it also makes you win a few % and I think this is a kinda interesting point with characters that struggle in wracking % or killing.
Very true!
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Richmango yeah
@@raafatfahim4167 weird mechanic, but kinda cool. There's nothing like that in melee haha
Richmango really? I expected something like this in melee. My first smash game was smash 4
Void, you are humble and great. Top 50 player practicing and saying "I'm not at that level yet" is refreshing.
shut up
this is going to be MASSIVE for little mac.
Its massive for falcon. You can get free kills and a 0 to death
@@bradyboo8440 literally falco do this idj from the beginning of the game
@@rodrigoroblescalzon1004Yeah, I saw it from Meta of Smash
Rodrigo Robles Calzon he said falcon*
@@Snowballsage search active hop on yt so you know its falco not falcon
10:15 when you get bodied by the training AI in stop mode.
AETHER
ngl all this tech is flying over my head but void is sick so
lets go void
Just like all those f-airs
Yeah I'm terrible but I never get tired of watchig shiek play void.
you can say it double jumping over your head
Ness mains: “didn’t we discover this last year?”
lucas mains too
And falco
@@BlueboySSB active hops
yo falco gang
Mewtwo gang too
I like how this tech finally is popularized when Us Mewtwo mains have been doing this since Sm4sh
GD Stoomy lol the puff discord has been talking about Idj stuff for months as well
@@VoidX17 Bruh Smash Zoomers I swear man
Exactly what I was thinking , it was being used with Mewtwo as well with greninja and falco
@@VoidX17 yoo for real glad someone else called out us puffs, we've known about this almost since release on the puffcord
I thought this tech was something new that I was excited to try for Mewtwo, but I was already applying it lol
I like that this relatively old tech is finally seeing light. Absolutely game changing
I just realized Void has the tag "Cha Hae-In"
*Someone has been reading Solo Leveling, that's all I'm saying.*
I don’t get it
@@ashypotatoes0735 It's from a manhwa/Korean comic series called Solo Leveling.
was about to comment that. i literally just made a drawing of her on twitter too @SnessFresh
A man of culture
Lol, I went into the comments specifically to look for this comment.
When you have to double jump with specific requirements like this, tap jump actually works pretty well. You want to full hop here, and using two buttons instead of control stick can decrease consistency by spending more energy on timing it.
Frenzy Light was already toying with this idea a while ago. He explains some really good combo routes on his platform tricks for sheik video.
When i started using a pro-controller i put jump on L because i was like why tf would i waste 4 potential inputs on just grab and shield? I think its pretty useful
Yeah same my jump is on a back button, it’s a lot easier to combo with bayonetta with though so that’s why lol
Same!!! It's awesome
Same
I already know the title of voids next video. “IDJ Needles Kill confirm from 0%!?”
Wouldnt idj needle just be a further reaching needle
@@ln8496 basically, but that might open up a new combo for a fair into IDJ needle at higher percentage into a kill confirm
Just a note on this: IDJ into aerials means that the aerial comes out 3 frames faster because it avoids having to wait for the jumpsquat animation to end in a regular full hop. You end up with roughly the same height with a 3 frame advantage, thereby opening up a large number of potential, previously undiscovered combos. Also, the way to know that you're doing this correct is to look for the double jump circle that appear. It should appear right at ground level, and no higher. Lastly, you can also buffer the first jump during a character animation, then initiate the second jump as soon as jump squat starts, which is much easier in certain situations.
Did you know Sheik can actually hit a good chunk of characters with a reverse pivot-cancelled f-tilt? As in a pivot cancelled f-tilt, but you face away from the opponent rather than towards them? It also launches the opponent towards Sheik when she does this, too. I'm still not too sure if it's useful, but it might be something to look into.
I'm glad the rest of the characters are finally starting to use it, I know kirby, pit, and the characters with the weird floaty double jump have been doing this forever, I can't wait to see what sheik can do
Tap jump makes this trivial, as it can be buffered. I suggest learning tap jump guys. This is a pretty crucial tech. It allows more combos with heavies such as bowser and incineroar and glass cannons like jigglypuff, pichu, sheik, etc.
The input of this thing is actually rly tight..
Ivysaur can use this tech too. If you grab your opponent at 0%, you can Down Throw -> IDJ Nair -> Up Air -> Up Air or Down Throw -> IDJ Nair -> Nair -> Up B
Characters like Snake uses this an immense amount for calling out jumps, and platform punish games.
Sheik dabbing, the gift nobody asked for, but everybody needed
Meta changing tech and it’s not from Gimr?!😱
TUME 1 its not a tiny advantage it literally revolutionizes most character’s combo games
@TUME 1 falcon can 0 to death with this. Pros will definitely use it lol
@TUME 1 Terrible take lmao
ZSS has used this tech for a long time.
Specifically for ladder combos.
Same with Falco
It's not the same my dudes, hence the instant in IDJ
@@andymcclurg9916 falco js diferent then this, the buffered rising double jump is diferent to this dude, I main falco and this is much faster and difficult
@@harrycake9407 So do I, I was commenting on how good Larry Lurr is at it
Puff uses it constantly. Ultimate Gin made a video on it like 4 months ago
I’ve been using this with Byleth and Marth. Turned Tap Jump on just to use it. For Byleth I use it in neutral and get people with the double fair all the time. Not to mention it gives the hitbox a little more vertical coverage. With Marth I’ve been using IDJ Uair OOS as an alternative to up b at higher percents. Since you can shift your momentum so much backwards, it seems way safer than dolphin slash.
As a Peach player, this is just another thing to practice lol. I actually use this tech in conjunction with float-canceling (IDJCFF?) to give her just a bit more range when doing something like bair. It's a lot easy to do after already inputting something because you can actually buffer an IDJ during endlag or landing lag.
Cool I can't wait to see IDJ stuff :)
Bruh I have used this for meta knight and his juggles have become a little easier now.
Yeah I feel like mk is a winner with this tech, I’m also waiting to see the spacies, maybe I’ve climbers, the rats, maybe the links or some of the swordies, and probably ness/Lucas
Yeah, characters like Falco, Gren, and Lucas have been doing this tech for months, of not a year, now. But now it's finally mainstream and I hope to see it more. Lucas has crazy kill confirms with it
@@milkcube7396 yeah i remember seeing the idj tech like a year ago so i was confused when it started appearing again.
Cha hae-in? I see you’re a cultured man reading solo leveling 💯
I feel like learning this tech is like learning how to wave dash in melee. It’s weird at first, but once you have timing, you just gave yourself more options.
I'm wanting to use both gamecube triggers for jumping and special for short-hop needles, but I think it will take about 1,000 hours of game play to become as proficient with a face button as shield. 20 years of having shields on trigger buttons is not easy to overcome. They say it takes 1,000 hours to master a new skill. Edit: It may be easier to just switch to tilt jump for needle combos and just deal with the periodic unintended IDJ.
More dabbing shiek is always welcome in my life
Tap jump makes IDJ extremely easy btw
Throw combo for sheik: down throw -> idj fair -> drag-down up air -> imagination. Big damage nearly every time.
I main pit. Im imagining dthrow>idj dair>drag down nair or uair> regrab> dthrow> short hop dair> djump nair
a cool application to this is in gannons fair. With a normal full hop fair you have a good amount of landing lag, but with IDJ it has no lag and reaches the same height making it a better option. This is true for DKs fair aswell.
Have jump set to a shoulder button, tap jump on x or y as if you were short hopping and then immediately after or at the same time input a jump on the shoulder button, this the easiest way to do a IDJ
If you change your controls and haven't done World of Light, it's a pretty good excuse to kill two birds with one stone.
Forty hours of that slog will commit the new scheme to muscle memory, and you will get all the spirits too.
A lot of the World of Light battle mechanics are strange, so it's usually bad for practicing Smash in general. However, for something as basic as (re)learning the control scheme, it's fine.
Meta Knights and Bayos have been doing this for a long time. Meta knight for plenty of uair starters and extensions, and Bayo for utilt bair pre and post 8.0.0
I can't imagine it having too much utility for the Shotos, more so Ryu than Ken but they're ground based most of the time so might have to practice it with Ken nair > up air strings
All my high level Falco mains stand up. We were on the wave waaay before everyone just found out about this 😂. The common term is “active hop” but I call it the Falco hop because that’s the character that this tech originated with. Up throw, “Falco hop” uair, drag down nair, whatever, whatever lol. Can also do it after up tilt but the window is between 20-35%
All the traits usually apply to al the characters at the same time
This tech is really useful for falco, since some percentages you can do up tilt into IDJ up-air, and still being that height can get another up-air
or on tri plat follow ups
People who don't think this tech is worth it will be the ones who get annihilated by IDJ combos in tourney. This is huge for combo game on all combo heavy characters, shame it took this long for this to get discovered and labbed out.
Falco mains been doing this. Upthrow, instant double jump upair, drag down nair
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HUGE TIP FOR IDJ:
You can buffer your first jump super early when you’re in endlag, giving you a 4 frame window to time your second jump.
This can be when landing, after a tilt, after a throw, after a roll, etc.
So doing idj is super practical and pretty easy after something like sheik f tilt but becomes much harder if you want to use it from a standing position.
I have been doing this forever with bowser jr and didn’t even know it was a “tech” lol
(Like so void can see. I really hope it helps him out)
it should also be noted that full hopping (or DJing) gives your aerials more hitstun than just short hopping
I've kinda seen it before when using lucas if you do it and nair out of it it's pretty fast
Shiek's doing it again... just keeps pushing that VoiD game further and further.
Everyone said ZSS ladders weren’t possible in the early stages of Ultimate but i learned a long while back being a a lab rat that IDJ makes her ladder combos very consistent.
if it’s really annoying to do then you can use tap jump to buffer the second jump so you don’t need the frame precise input
This is actually something I found on my own trying to footstool off of needle storm
A good way to describe this is buffering double jump by hitting jump during jumpsquat because it is a 4 frame window.
i find it interesting that this tech has been known to falco players for a while now bc you can do upthrow ->IDJ upair->dragdown nair onto a platform->grab/uptilt (meta of smash has a vid on this th-cam.com/video/GSsz7CJd7Uo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MetaOfSmash)
I used to do that tech with Ganondorf all the time. Gives you the height and air speed neccessary to punish.
:)
I already use that control scheme and am used to instant doublejump canceling with ness.
I'ma get on this, I think I have a head start
I see you Void!! Solo Leveling is the best! When you play Joker next, change it to Sung Jin-Woo
10:16 lol get rekt
Shiek dabbing in the thumbnail tho 🤣
I'm surprised some top players didnt know about this. I learned about it months ago watching tournament sets. I thought it was something everyone just knew about already
@Reese Labbe lol
I’ve been doing it for a year but with falco
@@sizzle_falco up throw> idj up air>nair drag down is fun
It's actually not the same thing. Double tapping jump isn't as frame perfect as doing the inputs for idj. You can see the white circle almost at ground level when doing idj
@@HerrickDestinVO you can do it without tap jump when you're in lag because of the buffer
Let’s just say with sheik, you have a quarter of a second to jump twice.
Also void, I found that doing a full hop input instead of short hop to start is easier.
I do it with the left stick and x+a at the same time , was working pretty decently
I actually been using this tech for a while with Captain Falcon, because I use tap jump. Never knew it could be this advantageous to a character.
I don’t think this will ever be consistent enough to be used a lot. I’m a pro player and labbing this I just couldn’t get this consistently. Unless someone can do it with at least a 50% success rate I can’t imagine it’s going to be a game changer. Maybe for tap jump users but I don’t use tap jump and I didn’t try it.
Should have called the title:
Tech thats been out for 5 months, INSANE i changed my controls for this
Active hops have been out for over a year but it wasn't frame perfect like this is
To everyone: Just input tap jump a hair before inputting shorthop aerial (jump button + attack button).
Im gonna use this for ken nair combos 2 land 2 nairs before hitting the ground
Idj fair into waveland sounds cool
I mean this is cool and all, but i thought this tech was already discovered lol. I guess I've been using it unintentionally. Either way I can't wait to see how much this will hopefully advance the meta.
Corrin gets idj that confirms your fair to tipper pin from 30-55 kills on edge all di all cast
damn void you read solo leveling?? so keen for a new chapter every week haha
They need to incorporate an on/off for the short hop shortcut. Would make it easier
Thank you you helped me a lot in this video
Yooo I got so so hyped just by seeing your tag, you really have some good tastes !
ayyy i was not expecting that lol. Have you read the novel version too?
wow, im honestly surprised you've played both Pichu and Sheik without L jump this whole time. hope to see you explore this Pichu as well.
You gotta wait a few frames to make it work outta shield. You can do it
This would not be necessary if nintendo just had separate short hop and full hop buttons
or you could just turn on tap jump, a mechanic they implemented already
@@lxvi2441 Tap jump is such a flawed solution that's more of a workaround than anything. I shouldn't have to fight the controls in order to express what I want to do. Having two designated buttons would lower the skill ceiling for casuals while not penalizing top players' options.
Instead of jumping through all these hoops - changing your controls, burning your double jump, learning how to play with tap jump, etc. - nintendo could just give us 2 separate buttons and the problem would be solved.
The point of controls is so that you can express yourself through your character. Better controls = better means of expressing yourself. So if you're telling me I have to grind hours to learn the exact timing of a set of inputs just so I can get instant full hop aerials, then that's a barrier that prevents me from expressing what I want to do in-game.
YAMAHA-MEHA yessir it's called a skill barrier. tap jump works just fine as you can use it as a short hop or full hop. grind for six hours and learn the input, it's still possible. execution barriers can be passed, it's what separates good players from bad players
@@lxvi2441 Nah dude, he's right. You are literally masquerading a design flaw(making a button function as you want it to shouldn't require skill and hours long grinding sessions ) as an intended skill barrier made by the devs. Lol no. Otherwise they wouldn't have developed the instant short hop mechanic in the first place if that were the case. It's not cool to be a bootlicker you know...
Waterblade knights it's not being a bootlicker lmao. the devs didn't put it in there they just didn't see a reason to make an entire button dedicated to short hopping when the mechanic of the jump button already has short hop ingrained into it. it's not a design flaw either. it's something smash has lived with for 23 years and we'll continue with it. you can't expect the devs to put it in when it's a niche thing. they don't pander to the competitive community at all and that's their decision. just figure out how to do the mechanic you want properly instead of waiting weeks for the devs
So what exactly did you change in your controls?
With this yoshi has a kill confirm on Mario at 25 on battlefield which is p schnice
I knew this as active hop super helpful for falco
Pretty sure mewtwos down tilt, idj upair fair is easier to hit true with this
@gsmVoiD u should try Wolf and do rdj fair-late hit fast fall n-air- Wolf flash
I just saw the tech video earlier I really need to try it I think it might give bayonetta the option to use rising nair oos or bair out of a parry which will be really nice
Maybe this will make Greninja rising backair actually work
Joker can use ldj to get up air dragdown extensions especially on platforms. I've been using r jump for both this and rar bairs for a while now.
Links use idj for boomerang fair combo because at some % and characters we can undershoot our fair and we miss the combo
It's literally the dj cancel from mewtwo but aerials
What did he change? The tap jump or shoulder button?
It's easier to just buffer during the lag of the previous move then push the same jump button
all of the characters i play have like no applications for this tech, but it's a really cool one!
I’ve done this before with joker and i started labbing combos but i didnt think they were any good so i didnt think this was any good, its alot easier out of throws and if u use stick jump.
after testing this i realize i have been doing this all along with mewtwo and it's pretty damn easy once you get good at press the jump button fast.
Looking forward to seeing this demonstrated in online
IDJ looking like Mewtwo double jump
Damn void why you gotta blame *ME* for dropping *MY* combo it's not my fault, you're making my depression kick in
At high percents... i wonder if you can do ftilt do IDJ needle shenanigans? Prolly not but now I'm curious.
This is... 21 years old. Theres tons of 64 pika combos that only work with it.
Lmaooo for real? Smash communities need more crosstalk about their game's tech
Void about it with the cha hae-in tag
What about characters with multiple jumps? Like Pit for example