Had a question, how do you identify the problem areas to sweep and isolate the actual issue, is this a scientific thing based on the frequency of specific keys/octaves/notes, is it specific to the richness/thickness/thinness of the vocal, I have a decent ear but know nothing if the science of frequencies as it pertains to music, which is the hardest part of trying to make music
@@vincemurrain9617 yes because when the track is mastered everything will get louder but you are correct in that focusing on the frequencies that are disturbing at only +4db first will yield more accurate results before touching ones that are like +12db
Awesome. Thank you for this video, my engineers can't hear the harshness that is driving me crazy. You've empowered me to fix this myself and send the vox back to them.
Devvon always come thru with exactly what i'm looking for, just pops up on my recommended . Been supporting since the futuristic days. You've been helping me along the way in multiple ways. Thank you.
After Multiband compression, basic eq(3 moves) serial compression(3 compressors)and volume automation, the best thing for me is the fader, just pushing and pulling until I find a sweet spot, and personally I just automate the louder parts post compression, gives a more natural sound and also helps me not to overthink, especially considering eq and compression are literally just very specific volume faders
Holy shit dude . Thank you so much. I’ve been practicing the things you’ve been preaching, and trying to implement the rules you’ve been teaching, and I’ve been able to get my LUFS up to -7 db w/o distortion. You explain things really well as if we are students. All that stuff about clearing up the gritty ness, and controlling the low end for your final mix has left me w so much more room to boost the final product. I’ve come across a siq EQ that fortunately came w my universal audio interface called pultec EQ. And based off all the knowledge you’ve dropped, I’ve been able to apply controlling the low end through the pultec, as well as boost/ attenuate the other frequencies to my liking
I find a full sweep can still be beneficial as long as you can tell the difference between a frequency being loud (i.e. when you raise it during the sweep) versus it being harsh. A good sweep just accentuates frequencies' "character".
I always knew there was a pain frequency in some of my songs. I had a feelin of where to look at but didn’t know how to handle it. I really appreciate this vid and I would feel like this will really help.
If you guys don't have the money for Soothe2 ($277 USD/$289 CAD), Baby Audio as a super dope and powerful alternative called Smooth Operator. It's $69 USD (~$88 CAD) and legit does the same thing. All that said, Soothe2 is incredible and definitely the superior plugin, but it's the parent of the two. And before you become a parent, you gotta be a kid. Remember that.
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Interesting. I’ve got decades of experience and never thought of using a deesser for more than sibilance. I have to tune females and I get a lot of digital horseshit that hits the ears like razorblades. I use all of the other methods you mentioned plus soothe2, but I like the specificity of the deesser. Thanks for the tip. I am sure this will be a cure for some. Much appreciated.
Great help. My voice does the same. Today a A/B'd two reference tracks "Holla -by MAX " and "Disaster - by Conan Grey" the Max song felt to harsh to me. The Conan song had possibly my favorite vocal clarity and warmth. This will help me get to the Conan vocal sound.
Using a deesser is good idea if harshness is at that freq. Good stuff. Mulitband compression can also be used and isn't limited to silibant range. Nice video!
@@ProdbyTrehnt I use my own setting. I let it work hard in the 100-400hZ and 4K-8K area. I keep the action on the smooth side. You have to A/B a lot while you adjust the sensitivity after that I work with the wet/ dry mix until I find a good balance. Assuming you're setting it up for vocals.
Thanks for this tip bro! Question; Recently I've been struggling with reducing that nasal/scratchy 1k-2k frequency range. Sometimes I find myself spending way too long trying to find it. I think it's because the parts that have that harshness are so quick (Like a particular consonant like the letter M, N and a soft S sound" that I can't tell where it is. Do you have any tips on approaching this nasally sound?
@VinoBeatz I did actually! It takes patience to learn but I came up with a strategy to battle those. Im happy to discuss with you but it's a tedious process. You got Instagram?
At this point, it's no longer the software. I've become proficient with all the tools at my dispose. My question is do you have advice on breathing/vocal chord care or bettering? I've got post nasal drip and a mild lisp, my mixes can be a nightmare.
@@DcDaboof Take your good mixes then make plugin presets and create a template. Using these as a starting point could help with your consistency. All the best 😎
Hello devvon, a big fan here since you started with the tutorials. I learned a lot from you, thank you! In fact, I always find my vocals harsh and I am very dissatisfied with the F‘s and S-sounds ... despite a De-Esser & Eq. The longer you work and try to fix the problem, the more you lose track of things. Could you maybe take a look at my last cover video and tell me what you think about the vocal production? And how is it from the Harsh level? Would appreciate it very much!
PureMix has an Ear Training Frequency Quiz, it's totally free. Check it out if you want to improve your hearing. But nothing beats experience, the more you practice mixing, the easier it gets to hear frequencies. All the best 😎
That's easy. When Pre Fx is selected, any of the effects chains and plugins don't affect the Fx channel (reverb, delay, etc.). So the signal gets routed completely dry. The Fx channel also becomes independent, when you bring down the volume fader on the original track it won't affect the Fx channel. Going Pre can be great for things like sidechaining or parallel compression/saturation. But most of the time you will find yourself using Post over Pre so that the signal you're sending to your Fx channel is well controlled by your processing (eq, compression, saturation, etc.). Always experiment and do what works best for the music. Hope that helps 😎
@@audiospectra thank you brother imma still little bit confuse but I appreciate your explaination. maybe Imma experiment how it works towards to your answer.
Works great doesn’t it 😁 i have a rode NT1 and my channel strip is PRO! like literally I just Eq out the bad frequencies and high pass up to 120hz and then I use 2 compressors, slow attack fast release and then I use a multi presser just on the really sharp region like -2 db. I raise the highs around 5k by 7 DB and get that sharp clear autotune sound without the harshness 😁
Devon Im about to buy your previous headphone akg k371 ... and because you had it before can you please tell me you reccomend me those haedphones??? I be so thankful if you reply me , thanks!
Bro a dirty recorded vocal with a cellphone, How would u improve that I got vocals From a friend in Nigeria he recorded with his earphones using an iPhone... Recording has some paper dirty sound... Dont know how to fix it...
either or works really :) it depends on the voice/mic/room, if the vocal is very harsh gong in I might treat it before processing it, and if my processing adds some harshness I can clean it up with soothe at the end
@Help Me Devvon Can you go through your vocal chain ( eq , compression , etc. ) within the context of the beat instead of showing the differences in solo ?? Your videos are mad helpful on everything 💯
My question is how can we bring back the clarity in the vocal After deessing it ? , also i think when we boost the clarity in the high shelf side , the harshness will back again
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Can you make a video of the difference between ( Post Fx & Pre Fx ) APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH -Philippines
Had a question, how do you identify the problem areas to sweep and isolate the actual issue, is this a scientific thing based on the frequency of specific keys/octaves/notes, is it specific to the richness/thickness/thinness of the vocal, I have a decent ear but know nothing if the science of frequencies as it pertains to music, which is the hardest part of trying to make music
This is also good to just hear what specifically to look for when sweeping, because of course if you crank ANY frequency it's gonna sound bad
Exactly any exaggeration of a frequency is gonna sound bad but if you can identify the problem area then it’s much easier to make a better decision
If you can't hear it(the problem) after boosting +4 then is it really a problem???
@@vincemurrain9617 yes because when the track is mastered everything will get louder but you are correct in that focusing on the frequencies that are disturbing at only +4db first will yield more accurate results before touching ones that are like +12db
Awesome. Thank you for this video, my engineers can't hear the harshness that is driving me crazy. You've empowered me to fix this myself and send the vox back to them.
Devvon always come thru with exactly what i'm looking for, just pops up on my recommended . Been supporting since the futuristic days. You've been helping me along the way in multiple ways. Thank you.
Yo, Devvon and futuristic WAS FIRE, the album the COVERS👏🏾👏🏾🙌🏾
You know. I always be going back to these videos whenever i get stuck 😂
the trained ear is real ! always sound crazy trynna explain it to ppl around me lol
I usually follow the note or frequency. It just helps me understand
Fam…you be right on time with these videos!
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After Multiband compression, basic eq(3 moves) serial compression(3 compressors)and volume automation, the best thing for me is the fader, just pushing and pulling until I find a sweet spot, and personally I just automate the louder parts post compression, gives a more natural sound and also helps me not to overthink, especially considering eq and compression are literally just very specific volume faders
Holy shit dude . Thank you so much. I’ve been practicing the things you’ve been preaching, and trying to implement the rules you’ve been teaching, and I’ve been able to get my LUFS up to -7 db w/o distortion. You explain things really well as if we are students. All that stuff about clearing up the gritty ness, and controlling the low end for your final mix has left me w so much more room to boost the final product. I’ve come across a siq EQ that fortunately came w my universal audio interface called pultec EQ. And based off all the knowledge you’ve dropped, I’ve been able to apply controlling the low end through the pultec, as well as boost/ attenuate the other frequencies to my liking
honestly... this guys amazing.. just saved my mix and I didn't even know it needed saving.
you got my sound coming together keep them coming
I find a full sweep can still be beneficial as long as you can tell the difference between a frequency being loud (i.e. when you raise it during the sweep) versus it being harsh. A good sweep just accentuates frequencies' "character".
You’re amazing at what you do, thanks for helping engineers out here God bless fam ❤️❤️
I always knew there was a pain frequency in some of my songs. I had a feelin of where to look at but didn’t know how to handle it. I really appreciate this vid and I would feel like this will really help.
If you guys don't have the money for Soothe2 ($277 USD/$289 CAD), Baby Audio as a super dope and powerful alternative called Smooth Operator. It's $69 USD (~$88 CAD) and legit does the same thing.
All that said, Soothe2 is incredible and definitely the superior plugin, but it's the parent of the two. And before you become a parent, you gotta be a kid. Remember that.
These vids are just Gems. When I blow up and they ask who helped u engineer yo music. I mm def mentioning you. And finna stress to watch yo vids cuz yo vids fr gems 🔥
Bro we need videos once a week from you. You drop too many gems for us to be sitting and waiting lol
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ProQ 3 can reduce dynamically like a de -esser. Makes it super convenient.
yep, just right click and hit make dynamic . using the de-esser in that way screws with phase
@@LeeOnTheTrack So it’s better to use the Pro Q3 or RDeEsser ?
great well explained video - i normally use dynamic eq on the pro q 3 for them problem areas
Interesting. I’ve got decades of experience and never thought of using a deesser for more than sibilance. I have to tune females and I get a lot of digital horseshit that hits the ears like razorblades. I use all of the other methods you mentioned plus soothe2, but I like the specificity of the deesser. Thanks for the tip. I am sure this will be a cure for some. Much appreciated.
Your harshness videos have been a game changer for me. Thx ✊🏾
Yup!
Great help. My voice does the same. Today a A/B'd two reference tracks "Holla -by MAX " and "Disaster - by Conan Grey" the Max song felt to harsh to me. The Conan song had possibly my favorite vocal clarity and warmth. This will help me get to the Conan vocal sound.
Always going to recommend you to all my mixing engineer friends!!
Wow you shocked me with this one . I hope I can cure that paper sound effect with your tricks .
Much love from Nigeria❤❤❤
Using a deesser is good idea if harshness is at that freq. Good stuff.
Mulitband compression can also be used and isn't limited to silibant range.
Nice video!
Soothe2 can sound really good if you set it up right. I normally do run it at 50% wet letting a little of the dry sound come through.
I struggle with soothe ... when i bypass it my vocals actually sound better 😀
What do you settings look like or do you use any preset
@@ProdbyTrehnt I use my own setting. I let it work hard in the 100-400hZ and 4K-8K area. I keep the action on the smooth side. You have to A/B a lot while you adjust the sensitivity after that I work with the wet/ dry mix until I find a good balance. Assuming you're setting it up for vocals.
You’ve been a huge help always here when I need some assistance
So cool this dude
I love this EQ method. Such a great technique and you have simplified it well.
Helped alot
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It was great but, I wish you played the resonances in solo mode.
But devvon i got a problem where my vocals got a whistle frequency how can i remove that? Can u help me devvon?😢
Hello, please can you do a mixing tutorial with an inexpensive microphone?
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Thanks for the insight, I gotta try to translate that into my DBX 286s.
Great suggestion to d ess any harsh frequency, thx Devvon!! 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you bro! Great video and very helpful 👌🏽
Thanks! Looks like 3k is a good place to start
You always come through for us. Thanks for sharing 💪🏾
On point! Good stuff bro. Keep it up!
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Great work on the information
Thanks for this tip bro! Question; Recently I've been struggling with reducing that nasal/scratchy 1k-2k frequency range. Sometimes I find myself spending way too long trying to find it. I think it's because the parts that have that harshness are so quick (Like a particular consonant like the letter M, N and a soft S sound" that I can't tell where it is. Do you have any tips on approaching this nasally sound?
I also have been struggling with finding this. It’s so subtle and quick.
Did you figure it out?
@VinoBeatz I did actually! It takes patience to learn but I came up with a strategy to battle those. Im happy to discuss with you but it's a tedious process. You got Instagram?
@@prodyeti yeah it’s vinobeatz_
At this point, it's no longer the software. I've become proficient with all the tools at my dispose. My question is do you have advice on breathing/vocal chord care or bettering? I've got post nasal drip and a mild lisp, my mixes can be a nightmare.
Gracias amigo.
Thank you so much bro!!! 💯
Thank you
I'm struggling to get my sound consistency here for the lesson appreciate the information 📝🧐
When you say sound consistency, are talking about dynamics (getting consistence between the loud and quieter parts of the song)?
@@audiospectra like one mix I'm getting good to decent results next mix be garbage , next one to misses the mark as well
@@DcDaboof Take your good mixes then make plugin presets and create a template. Using these as a starting point could help with your consistency. All the best 😎
@@audiospectra appreciate it
Hello devvon, a big fan here since you started with the tutorials. I learned a lot from you, thank you! In fact, I always find my vocals harsh and I am very dissatisfied with the F‘s and S-sounds ... despite a De-Esser & Eq. The longer you work and try to fix the problem, the more you lose track of things. Could you maybe take a look at my last cover video and tell me what you think about the vocal production? And how is it from the Harsh level? Would appreciate it very much!
Please make a video on ear training how you train your ears
PureMix has an Ear Training Frequency Quiz, it's totally free. Check it out if you want to improve your hearing. But nothing beats experience, the more you practice mixing, the easier it gets to hear frequencies. All the best 😎
What an excellent video sir
easy good breakdown on cutting harshness , Btw what type of headphones are you using?
1000-5000hz... I usually cut.
How does this compare to using the 🎧 sweep option?
THE GOAT
Thanks for your videos bro cause you really help me to become a better engineer
Thanks for your videos :)
Whats the Problem with sweeping? You hear what sounds bad and make it lower in volume
Wow was just struggling with this yesterday
Welp struggle no more!!
Can you make a video of the difference between ( Post Fx & Pre Fx )
That's easy. When Pre Fx is selected, any of the effects chains and plugins don't affect the Fx channel (reverb, delay, etc.). So the signal gets routed completely dry. The Fx channel also becomes independent, when you bring down the volume fader on the original track it won't affect the Fx channel.
Going Pre can be great for things like sidechaining or parallel compression/saturation. But most of the time you will find yourself using Post over Pre so that the signal you're sending to your Fx channel is well controlled by your processing (eq, compression, saturation, etc.). Always experiment and do what works best for the music. Hope that helps 😎
@@audiospectra thank you brother imma still little bit confuse but I appreciate your explaination. maybe Imma experiment how it works towards to your answer.
@@ozlee5418 Yeah, you just need to experiment to get the full picture. All the best.
What if you got vocals where it sounds like you just woke up a lil too much
Which camera and lense are you using? And Great tips you are giving out for free🔥
hi devvon pls i made a purchase on ur site some weeks ago and the digital download isnt still available
My biggest problem with my songs are my harsh vocals....Appreciate your suggestions.
I like to use multiband compression for this.
Works great doesn’t it 😁 i have a rode NT1 and my channel strip is PRO! like literally I just Eq out the bad frequencies and high pass up to 120hz and then I use 2 compressors, slow attack fast release and then I use a multi presser just on the really sharp region like -2 db. I raise the highs around 5k by 7 DB and get that sharp clear autotune sound without the harshness 😁
This one slapped
Can u tell us how to remove background noise like ur recordings, great video
Great Channel
Bravo!
Can you teach us how we can balance beat very well
what's with stompbox effects what are they used for
do engineers used them on vocals
i've never seen any tutorial with stompbox plugins use on vocals
I've always listened to your Mixing and Mastering there is always a problem of harshness.je fix that with ozone dynamicc Eq and exciter that's all
Good one ☝️
Devon Im about to buy your previous headphone akg k371 ... and because you had it before can you please tell me you reccomend me those haedphones??? I be so thankful if you reply me , thanks!
Hey this tutorial is effective was dealing with this glad to have found more info, quick question why is your ProQ3 in MONO please gimme feedback.
the voice in a track is mono so that's mainly why
Because you don’t mix mono vocals on a stereo track
Please show us how to mix afrobeat vocal
Bro a dirty recorded vocal with a cellphone, How would u improve that I got vocals From a friend in Nigeria he recorded with his earphones using an iPhone... Recording has some paper dirty sound... Dont know how to fix it...
Hey Devvon in what order would you use the soothe2 Plugin? In the beggining of the mix chain or in the end?
either or works really :) it depends on the voice/mic/room, if the vocal is very harsh gong in I might treat it before processing it, and if my processing adds some harshness I can clean it up with soothe at the end
Before and after
Before = commit or freeze that track then mix and use it later to smooth any harshness added from different effects
If not at the end of the chain, then at least towards the end of the chain. More like you would use a de-esser.
you should use the natural phase instead of the zero latency
What mic are you using ?
I need that song
damn that's really good tutorial
Why do you start real tight on your q.
what camera you record your content with?
@Help Me Devvon
Can you go through your vocal chain ( eq , compression , etc. ) within the context of the beat instead of showing the differences in solo ??
Your videos are mad helpful on everything 💯
What waves plugin can you use instead of the fab filter plugins?
@devvon what do you think about the Sibilance plugin from waves for dessing?!
Dope
What’s up hit you up the other day about help with a template I purchased from your site
What's good
Also Harsh Lighting On Your Face. :) Great Video Man.
doper
This man is half god
My question is how can we bring back the clarity in the vocal After deessing it ? , also i think when we boost the clarity in the high shelf side , the harshness will back again
Agreed, I deal with this issue a lot
Yh me too
🔥🔥 dont watch but i know its gonna be fire.
I have this stupid sizzle on my voice. If I take it out, all the tone goes away.
I kinda sing like David Gilmore, but like... not as good lol
De easer not enuff for me