women = immediately sexualize them and talk about something that doesn't even exist on xenomorph's nor on the queen herself. you gooners need to quit being so disgusting towards female fictional characters and sexualizing them at ANY given chance. i don't fucking care if i sound "woke" it's genuinely bad for your mental health to sit there and treat women like fuckable objects. you aren't gonna make it far in this society, especially as women defend themselves more and more against this type of bullshit harassment. and for the love of god, i'm pretty sure the queen produces asexually so she don't need yo ass.
Your remark at 6:35 got me thinking. Have you considered making a specific guide/advice video on the topic of which doors killer should always and which should never break?
Don't break the downstairs door of main on Dead Dawg, the doors near the gen on Gas Haven unless the gen is done, and don't break most doors on Gideon's unless you're a stealth killer. I think that's most of the ones you should skip
Honestly I’ve always wondered that tbh. Like I get the idea that some doors can unintentionally give survivors advantages and options to connect certain loops, and more specific cases like certain doors in Gideon’s leading to dead ends that can help corner survivors, but I’ve never really seen people properly explain what doors are and aren’t good to break.
What makes xeno hard to face against is how the counterplay isn’t intuitive if you haven’t watched guides on how to face them. A lot of solo queue teammates just put the turret a foot from the tunnel entrance so it’s wasted.
Alien main here. Yeah, it happens literally all the time, most of the turrets people place are useless like that, especially since I almost always use Cereal Rations addon, that lets me see the turrets when im underground xD
ugh don't tell, last time i played aagainst a xeno as survivor, the same sable would pick up the turret i positioned, and put on front of the tunnel, over and over.
All it took for me was 1 game playing as the Xenomorph myself, and experiencing first hand how attacking and avoid turrets works. Next time I played, I instantly figured out the turret on a wide corner tech, even without a guide or seeing it in my game as killer. Think it really helps to play both sides to fully understand and improve with both sides.
Really all they would need to do is change the map logic to where it spawns the killer objects before the chests, such a simple change that I am shocked it hasn’t been changed. But then again it’s behavior sooooooo.
it can also make killer items incredibly inconvenient and time consuming to manage on the survivor's side as well. good luck trying to remove that reverse bear trap when all of the jigsaw boxes spawned at the edges of the map
I just watched Hens' Japanese Killer tierlist reaction where a Japanese DBD streamer put her in D tier. The entire reasoning was that doubling up on flamethrowers (which is rarely done in most games) completely destroys this killer and you are left with basically an M1 killer in chase if played properly. I can certainly buy it as a killer whose pace is set by the survivors rather than vice versa which is what A+ killers can do.
There is genuinely no point in playing this game competitively but if you are then just pick nurse or blight every match, idk how this is even a debate still. This game isn't for tryhards but if you insist, obviously play the strongest options.
I'm a xenomorph main and good god against a competent squad I feel powerless, I wish I could run something different other then just 2 turret addons and be able to have fun
I once made a post on the DBD reddit talking about how even with the best addons, if the survivors placed turrets strategically playing Xeno becomes almost impossible to play and EVERYONE flamed me and downvoted saying this killer was so easy and that I sucked. I still stand by my belief that against good teams, Xeno is atrociously hard.
100%. It's bizzare to me how much pushback there is on this. I mained this killer for several months, and the moment I started playing against people who were smart with turrets things got ROUGH
I’m a p100 Xeno main and have never thought they were as strong as people say they are. Since the day of the reveal I knew the turrets were going to be too strong for experienced survivors to use.
@@zeporion6091 same here. These survivors are just complaining because they don’t know how to play the character properly. Xenomorph was my very first p100 so he holds a special place for me in this game.
@Shadow.24-c8h Xeno was one of the killers I most wanted, so I'm very happy it joined. :) Sadako will be my first (if I actually make it to P100), and then Xeno will be second.
1:20 that’s actually wrong!! in the sense there are times you don’t want to destroy the turret due to the speed loss. The only thing turrets do are take the killer out of the power. It doesn’t stop M1 attacks meaning if you’re going to catch them anyway without the need for the tail then you don’t need to stop the chase just to hit the turret
I think it stems from not a lot of people playing the killer, so when survivors DO play against them, it's the illusion of strength because they don't properly understand how to go against Xenomorph. As a Xeno main, I always hear that turrets are too weak because they don't break the Xeno out. That's not their sole purpose, and people expect to be able to do that on their own. It takes the team to beat Xenomorph, so it's a pub and solo queue stomper against your average survivor.
Yeah, it is rare to see survivors who knows how to play against every killer. Killers don't have such difficulty since survivors are just glorified skins. A player can just master one or a few killers and stomp in public matches easily. Maining lesser played killers actually yields a lot of easy wins due to this.
@@justwatch7091 Yep! It's a growing problem because of the roster continuing to grow. Noticing a lot of players don't know how to play against a decent amount of the new killers kind of proves that a bigger roster is making the game harder to learn because a lot of players fall back on the 'meta' killers, leaving less played ones unexplored and harder to loop for the average player.
thats the rough part - since playing against a decent SWF is a single digit percent of matches, it makes xeno insufferable to play against in those other 90 something perfect
@@zackmash851 Yeah, I personally LIKE going against Xenomorph with whatever squad I have, I'd imagine for the common player it's a bit annoying. And we can't assume every person playing DbD watches YT videos on each killer, so not seeing them often really hurts the playerbases opinion on those killers.
Otz made quite a few blunders here missing important hits and making crucial mistakes. Still, he basically managed to stay on top. So, I think this video proves, that Xeno is actually higher in the tier list, than he rated him.
I'm also among people who think xeno is A tier. This video makes it even stronger to believe. They did good with placing turrets and double them. Yet You won, so turrets did not prevent You from playing. You did nice "jiggle-dance" when going into station, make few moves back and forth to quickly regain power and leave the same station. Some mistakes were made and misses but overall You only prove that even good team will fall before average xeno. Like in comment which I posted under that tier list (too long to paste it here) i think Xeno is about mobility and tunnels. Survs cannot counter Your map pressence, power recharge, tracking (to some degree unless they're carrying turrets what makes them slow and doing game objectives). Tunnes are bread and butter. I stand by my opinion that xeno is mid-low tier A killer. After all it's about having fun playing game and respecting each other opinions. Best wishes.
my issue is the tail, its so buggy and can hit on the side and even through windows if you flick the tail after extending it out making it damn near impossible to get away and as for the turrets they dont do anything at the best of times, barely slows them down around loops like you showed at shack its just not viable, you can even crouch the tail either there is no counter to this killer that works well its a 80/20 %
That would be so cool. Let's say you get 5 of them and you can deploy them like singularity cameras and they have range of 10 meters. When survivor comes within range it lunges on a survivor which makes them pass merciless storm skill checks. If they fail they're incapacitated until another survivor helps them. To make it fair let's make it so where face huggers go into hibernation mode within 30 meters of the killer.
I also had this idea of face hugger also triggering the proximity sensor of turrets so now the survivors would have to guess it it was the killer in range or not.
@@Zztp0p That sounds really good honestly just to add to the horror aspect of turning a corner and getting lauchned at by one of those in any game is terrifying so replicating that in DBD but also that nerciless storm skill check to give survivors the hope of escaping an attack is so cool. Would be even better if it also had a unique mori feature of a chest burster if the survivor is not picked up before they bleed out or if they are the last one in the map and they get grabbed by one.
Too bad your suggestion would never get implemented now post launch. But since we are doing fun takes: I would do what the rest of you suggested and add a piggy twist to it: After getting a hugger, you have to find an gimmick item and use it, or you will die within a certain time. Passive slowdown for the killer, and introducing something that would make this game fun.
Alien and pinhead are both in this weird position where they can be really oppressive and nasty against uncoordinated teams, but their power can fall apart quite quickly with a coordinated time. Pinhead less so, but the xeno/ceno problem is tricky. On one hand I like when survivors can do something about strong powers, on the other hand i kinda want solo q/ new survivors and killers going against coordinated swfs to be less punished
fun fact: cereal rations actually shows the turret aura when they're being carried which is surprisingly a really strong affect for information i really believe it deserves to be up next to or atleast close to star map.
That’s not a problem. 😂. It’s basically this: I can beat survivorss 95% of the time until I meet that one god swf and now I am sweating and that’s a no no. That sounds as silly as me saying I can beat 95% of all killers til I meet that one killer that’s very good , not fair! 🤓
@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN If you were to make a killer tier list and put a picture on for solo survivor and another one for SWFs. Every killer would fall in either S or A tier with SWFs being S. Solo suvivor would be low F tier. The largest demographic of DBDs playerbase is unplayble, that is unacceptable.
For me the only thing they could change is to remove the damn slowndown while being burned, you don't walk faster on crawler mode, so why tf there's a slowdown by getting off your power?
Hello Otz, this is friends, coming in with constructive criticism regarding your video editing: Don't put the hint text at the very bottom of the video, it makes it a bit hard to read if you pause the video, because it's getting covered up by the video controls. I have some Chrome Extensions that add to the video controls, so I don't know how bad it is for other people. Just thought I'd let you know either way just in case.
1:58 every now and again you'll come across 4 survivors with default character names and a blur effect that fades away before the clip is over like Homer Simpson's website
Singu is the closest killer i can think of in counterplay to xeno. You can setup, but team intervention/awareness helps a lot. Difference is singu effectively only deals with punishment to the tier of "had to break a turret" and never "lost crawler form" If singu had to go to one of the emp boxes to regain his ability to use shoot/use biopods, that would be ass
probably my most conflicted feelings on xenomorph are them running plaything when turrets tell you exactly when theyre coming or at least close. but then i see soloq start cleansing and watch pentimento pop up and realize why they sometimes do
Most xenomorphs are hard limited by their approach to turrets. They're not always a hindrance- sometimes they're a valuable slow down resource. I always run the addon that shows me where they are. If one is somewhere I don't care about I leave it. They only get so many and have to slowly move them. Often they get forgotten and that makes one less turret to worry about. Sometimes they're bait. If they're set up somewhere I've depleted the resources I leave them and let the less aware survivors run to their aura for an easy down. more often than not I can somewhat gauge the playstyle and strength of the survivors in the first minute of the match. My first chase is whoever dumps a turret right at the tunnel bc they're inexperienced, etc. I don't think many xenos realize that an empty turret will destroy itself after a short time. You're often better off getting burnt out and taking a pallet than you are breaking a turret and getting nothing. I think ppl get annoyed with xeno bc they want their power all the time and refuse to change their playstyle to accommodate. Approach Xeno with a macroplay mindset, and you get far better results I think. Stealth is deadly on Xeno but only if you can manage turrets extremely well. It's funny- something that is core to its identity has to be worked for in game.
I just had a little thought, i faced xenomorph yesterday on RPD and MAN was it hard to place a turret, it was almost impossible to get one down on the west side of RPD because the corridors and rooms are so small
i just find xeno a more limiting demo, I cant choose where to place my portals, some of the time im literally just playing m1 and then when i actually can use my ability i prefer demo's since you can jump off cliffs with it and break pallets, i also think the hit is super satifying on demo. also using stealth perks is not effective on xeno so thats another hinderance (which removes one of the most important parts of xeno's fear factor in the movies which is kind of stupid since demo is more of a stealth killer then xeno and demo in the show makes it VERY obvious when hes appearing from a portal since the lights flicker)
As a sadako player I don't agree with her placement too. She's just weird and requires to play unusual. She's actually a lot stronger then players think.
I just hate how slow you are when carrying a turret. It wastes a lot of time just for the killer to break it most of the time without being kicked out of their power bcs of 2 add-ons. If you place 2 turrets next to eachotjer you only have 2 left and it takes years to get them to the same place.
Hello Otz! This was an interesting video to watch because i haven't seen a xenomorph since i started playing the game a month ago! I was hoping i could get your opinion(Or random viewers) on the three teachable perks i have a created for my custom killer( I'm creating this killer because i want to try and design a killer who is fun to play and plays different then most currently in the game.) But if you don't fell comfortable or simply don't want to, just tell me and i wont ask again. These are the teachable perks: HEX: Engineers Insight “From a young age Lilith was gifted with technology, forming a deep bond with it, that bond has manifested in physical effect, albeit in a more unpredictable way” Effect: Every collective 4 seconds of working on a generator, a skill check appears. Every time a survivor hits 3 good skill checks in a row on a generator, gain killer instinct on that survivor for 5 seconds. When this effect also happens, the survivor has your aura revealed to them for 3 seconds. If a survivor hits a great skill check on the third skill check, they are not revealed by killer instinct but still see your aura. *Survivors working on a generator see this perks icon, each skill check they hit fill the perk up by a third(Like Metal Of Man) Interrogation “Serving in the military for years, you skill of extracting information is most effect” Effect: After putting a survivor into the dying state using a basic attack, gain the ability to perform an interrogation. Upon activating it(Identical to using a mori) enter a 6-10 second animation, where you place your right foot and the survivors back and press down. After the animation is complete, reveal the auras of all other survivors for 5 seconds, then this perk enters a 90 second cooldown. During the first 6 seconds of the animation, the survivor will be faced with 4 medium difficult still checks, each skill check that they hit increase the animations length time by 1 second. So the default is 6 seconds if they hit all four, it becomes 10. If the survivors miss the skill check, reduce the animation by 1 second. *I chose the above animation as it seems the least problematic to make and most killers will be able to perform it without looking weird, but killers like nurse and dredge will look a little weird given the lack of legs(Functional legs in The Nurse's case), but it's the best(Simplest and most versatile)i could think of. Faulty design “Having grown up watching the failures of others' inventions, you picked up on how to build a structure that, while mostly physically identical, is designed to hinder the user. Effect: Gain the ability to rebuild a broken pallet with a 2.5 second animation and return it to its standing position. When a survivor throws this “Rebuilt pallet”, they become hindered by 5% for 5 seconds. This pallet can be used in every way a normal pallet can be used, including stunning the killer but can be broken with a normal breaking animation that is sped up 70%, the "Rebuilt pallet" will also be broken if a survivor fast vaults over it 3 times. *This pallet has a metal X across its standing most visible side or its fallen underneath depending on its position.
I always loved Xeno, at least in the concept of its power. The gameplay, however, is a little annoying. Mostly because sometimes I feel like I should hit the survivor with my tail and I either miss by an hair lenght, or the tail bumps into an invisible hitbox that makes 0 sense. And while most people use the turrets badly, they can still be quite the bother to destroy every now and then. I would love to play it a bit more, but it just doesn't give me the same amount of satisfaction as my other favs, Artist and Nemesis.
It doesn't matter if the tail is deadly if it takes 10s just to catch up after every hit. Tourets also warn survivors to run early. The tail is only 4.5m. On top of that he still struggles vs god pallets and tourets are like body blocks. He's average at best.
Xeno is fun to play, but I will say the whole "Turrets have a proximity alarm" thing kinda fucks the entire point of the character's stealth mechanics. It's thematic, but really it's just a very powerful tool to Survivors that don't really need it.
That's so real when I first got Xeno I was gonna run Monitor and Abuse on them but then realized it doesn't matter cause the turrets snitch on me anyway :(
@@wonderguardstalkerI play it a lot like stealth and I seem to get a lot of success. I use Monitor and Abuse and try to use tunnels to catch survivors from unexpected angles. Most of the time, they get hit by my tail as soon as they react to my TR.
xeno could have been so cool if they leaned into stealth, but instead he got anti-stealth in his kit alongside a super boring and very strong anti loop. so boring
as a low MMR survivor, my first time playing against Xeno had my teammates get obliterated while I solo'd 4 gens. I didn't understand until i watched this video; as it turns out, I was simply using the flamethrowers better
You're not wrong but I think a tier list should probably reflect how a killer feels a majority of the time that you play them. If survivors don't know how to use turrets 90% of the time that you're playing Xeno, then Xeno is not really at the bottom of B tier 90% of the time. And honestly... saying that even 10% of survivors you go against actually know what they're doing with turrets is being generous in my experience. Every killer can feel a lot weaker when the survivors know what they're doing. Xeno might suffer more than the average killer because they have a built in counter-play... but Xeno also has a much stronger base kit than the average killer. And while the Xeno's add-ons aren't amazing, there are killers that are much higher on your tier list that have even worse add-on options. I do think that BHVR over-corrected when they nerfed Xeno but that doesn't stop Xeno from being a monster most of the time that you're playing as them. If they wanted to buff Xeno then they could probably change the turrets to either knock Xeno out of their power OR slow them down but not both. But that would just make Xeno even crazier against most survivors. Personally, I would like a rework that removes the turrets completely since BHVR doesn't seem to be great at balancing around killers with direct counter-play. They also don't really fit the killer thematically. Like yeah, Ripley used a flamethrower in the movies but the turrets are kind of silly. Especially since they're inexplicably tied to the Xeno's tunnel system. Xeno should have been more stealth-focused and the turrets make that difficult. Doing something with motion trackers and/or face huggers would have fit a lot better.
Idk, the killer is already plenty strong for me with strong traversal, better Nemesis' whip which btw is super oppressive if used right, short terror radius in crawler mode, short height... the only counterplay is turrets and thank god they exist. Just look at that, the survivors were using the turrets really nicely and you still managed to pull a 3k without any hardcore tunneling or going through dumb loops over and over like M1 killers do. Nah, this killer is completely fine tbh.
I aint saying that Xeno should have a stealth power for balance reasons, but I always felt it's weird to have a Xeno that isn't stealthy, you know? They were so good at hiding and picking people off in the movie.
Answering a question proposed in a previous video I would balance map offerings by changing the idea: you don't choose a map or map family, instead you ban it. Also map specific missions would be revised. I don't know if this is still relevant
demo at the end of C tier is diabolical, you should really look into him again. I have over 300hrs on demo and im honestly struggling to lose. only on rare occasions when i have really good survivors (5k hrs each) is when i lose. and i usually try avoiding gen regression perks (pop, pain res, grim, dms whatever). demo is super aggressive and fun in chase and with enduring, he gets even better. i really can't understand this opinion and I'm convinced that you are completely wrong about demo!
Yeah, trapper is actually s tier. I have 200 hours on him and oftentimes struggle to lose, he shuts down so many loops and makes it so easy to win. Trapper only ever loses against experienced survivors and he starts to be super agressive once he sets up. I can't understand this opinion and convinced you are completely wrong. /j
Meanwhile nobody in my games even recognize that the turrets do anything, so I end up needing to trek around the whole map just to give my teammates something to use in chase.
I like this idea, but to make it more balanced and engaging I'd make the flamethrowers run out of fuel eventually and you would have to go back to a Station to reload it.
>Survivor-sided map >Slow start for killer >Makes plenty of minor mistakes >Good survivors that know how to place turrets and all have strong loadouts >Still a 3K anyway. They don't seem like an SWF at least.
are we gonna ignore the fact the ace gave him a free kill at 4 hooks? He only won because he got a player out of the game very fast due their own lack of awareness, not because of the killer he was playing and because the survivors were not that great at looping, they (at least 2 of them) knew the counterplay to this killer. Almost any killer can win if they get someone out of the game that fast
@@orion2544 Otz made plenty of mistakes, but if the survivor makes a mistake, it's game over. That fast? Only 2 gens were remaining when Ace died, that is not that fast. You make it sound like Otz was tunneling at 5-gens, but he wasn't. This doesn't seem to me like a hard game for Otz. He didn't appear to be sweating for it, he didn't use any of the dirtiest killer strategies, and still got a comfortable 75% killrate. They were not that great at looping, but not that bad either. Sometimes there's a limit to what you can do with a projectile killer like Xeno chasing you, as Ace was forced to fake the vault immediately before he died, where with a weaker killer he could have safely vaulted.
Otz tends to exaggerate when it comes to "bad" games. Look at his "players quit over games like these" video... and it's a 3K with current freddy. I think most people what an ACTUAL bad match is as killer, and it's not a 3K lol
I've always wanted Alien in DBD...but the turrets really put me off. I love the idea of stealth builds on Xeno because it'd be terrifying to turn a corner and see a whole Queen Xeno just standing there...but the turrets just make it a little boring :/
as a P100 Xeno main i have to say that you are really sleeping on the fast vault add on paired with bamboozle.... You can vault everything the survivors vault and basically lose no distance ever
Yeah that's fair, although let's be honest a LOT of weaker windows don't ever need to be vaulted (you can just hit Survivors using them with tail) and some maps are more pallet oriented (Gideon).
"Good player performs good with sub-par option" I don't get the logic here. Were you watching the video on mute? The amount of time wasted and chases he lost because of turrets and complained about it is insane
@SaltCane he misplayed at the beginning a good bit. Critical thinking and using your eyes can be difficult. Most of the time wasted was on otz. It had nothing to do with the mechanics of the killer.
@@theShadowBolts20 "Most of the time wasted had nothing to do with the mechanics of the killer" And you're the one mentioning "using eyes" and critical thinking, the amount of irony is absurd.
I think the two big changes I'd make are disallowing putting turrets within each others' radius (or reducing the overall number of turrets to make those choices tougher) and absolutely making the turrets not give that beeping info.
I still think alien should be higher . Not only for the simple fact most people dont even place turrets correctly . If nobody puts up a turret while your in chase your pretty much dead . I just dont think a killer with such a good chase power can be that low. Also it seems like every alien i go against is great at tailing the turrets lol . I think because not alot of people play alien . The ones that do are extremely good with the tail . They used the turrets well and you didnt get knocked out a couple times with that green add on im sure you would have tanked a couple more .
You forgot about one turret thing, if you are healthy, You can just protect the turret. Losing health state, that you would lose anyway in exchange for burning xeno is really strong. Overall Xeno should be immune to turrets for short duration after hiting survivor or destroying another turret. In exchange just make turret placement better with lower movement speed penalty. In some maps, You still gonna spend few buisness days trying to find the exact spot, You can place turret on.
No it’s not worth that’s very silly,he will have his cool down so quick it would be a throw, you’d be better of trying to doge or take hit and use the distance to last an extra 5s in chase 😂
I honestly think that can be a fair placement for Xeno if we are talking about a team that is very experienced with turrets, but that begs the question: Why do you consider hag better when she has a much tougher time against a smart team? Not saying she needs to be D tier or something, but it still doesn't seem logically consistent.
Because she still has her power, and it doesn't take long to reset them. With the turrets, Xeno completely loses her general ability as well as is literally being slowed down.
@@braytonewell Hag is permanently slowed down being 4.4. Unless you're in the situation where an injured survivor is running into your web (without a bodyblock), which a good team will almost never do, she should not be getting a down. Additionally even if she does get a down outside of her web, at that point the hook doesn't bring much pressure. The only situation she is decently strong in is basement, which is still possible to get out of. Or you just let the person die on hook for 140 seconds and get all the gens done.
@Triplestryke1 If you put traps in the right places and play the survivors well, you can get some good hits. I mean, she's one of the few killers who can literally teleport. Go back a little and watch one of Otz's other videos, specifically about Hag.
@@braytonewell I've watched that video, it was not convincing. A team coordinated enough to place all these turrets correctly and set up double turret set ups will be coordinated enough to run through her web while she's carrying a survivor, meet to reset, and take hits.
what i think is actually xenos biggest weakness is rng with their crawlspaces. while its very debilitating to deal with well placed turrets, as a xeno main ive had some horrible tp spots on maps. there was a whole side of garden of joy where there were 0 crawlspaces and another side where they were all basically in the same area.. and the survivors def paid attention to that. it was impossible to properly apply pressure w my power because i couldve patrol the map in full since there was no tps on the other side so trying to check around 2 gens on the other side of the map WHILE in the crawlspaces was literally not allowed since it didnt go that far out.
While I agree that the killer does struggle against good teams I've noticed you tend to avoid having synergies or just using it's best addons (Catbox and Bolt) which act as essentially extra perks while you use the safer but noticeably weaker addons, you also often get too distracted by turrets and end up breaking them when you could easily avoid them, for example: had you not hit the turret while carrying Nea you could have interrupted the final gen. I play this killer alot and by no means do I think I'm the best player with it, but I do think some micro changes to how you play it could make a world of difference.
13:56 This is why I don't like tier lists outside the ones for add-ons and perks specifically. The killers tier list are so depended on loadout the power is not stressed enough as the loadout bears a large portion of the gameplay burden. You will find yourself saying "If you bring this or bring that then the killer is instantly x-tier" or "This killer add-ons/perks make this killer x-tier" and it seems the loadout is considered more then the killers ability. Skill based match making makes no sense in a loadout based game.
@@guts1952 Extra distance and hindered is nice yes but it still doesn't make it better than xeno. Xeno has better map pressure due to tunnels, can get his tail whip immediately, which I believe is just slightly smaller than T3 Nemmy whip. And you can hit survivors ducking behind pallets much more reliably unless they duck on the extreme high end of the dropped pallet. Remember Nemmy still has the issue of being "nem teched" if you duck behind a knee high obstacle, which is still BS to this day. Xeno does not have this issue. All in all mechanically he is higher than Nemmy, but the turrets smack him down to where he is now.
Chests also share spawn points with xeno's tunnels and take priority for some stupid reason leading to some really frustrating situations where chests can effectively create large tunnel dead zones. Its probably a bug but it is extremely frustrating none the less.
I think its spot on the list is fine. Very strong but with a fair amount of counterplay. A good Survivor team can shut down its Power but it can also snowball a lot if they aren’t careful so there’s a decent back and forth.
I've been playing xeno a lot during the event to get them to P9. I am getting stomped 80% of my games but if I switch to any other killer, it's like the survivors just bought the game
It's also worth mentioning that while setting up a turret, there's a particular time where survivors cannot be hit. This may seem like something that'll rarely come up in actual gameplay, but I have played hundreds of matches as Xeno, and across at least a couple dozen matches, my claws or tail have gone directly through a survivor that I am looking directly at. This results in me getting burned out of my power, and it's quite frustrating, because it's obviously not intentional, but happens often enough to be a genuine point of frustration for the killer.
man i love going against xeno because i think the turrets are super fun and cool to setup. playing as xeno is also cool because the tunnels are fun but as this video shows, shes kind of tricky to excel with.
Xeno is one of my favorite characters as well, and I think the idea of the turrets is a cool secondary objective. As the video points out, they can get quite annoying, but if the survivors haven't learned, they aren't too frustrating. 🤣
@@AntiHank104 If he doesn't censor them, there'll be a bunch of people who go harass them and take it too far with threats and the like and he'd be blamed. Basic precautions all sensible large content creators take.
@@SapientGalaxy blamed by whom? The person who went around TOS to make others miserable in a game? Surely their opinion on anything in this life matters much
So the display of how tough it can be for good counter play when playing xeno just pretty much slow down the inevitable because if its a decent xeno player they get hits anyway didn't learn anything here
Xeno is just Hold W killer and it's frustrating. The best strat against iy is holding W as its chase power is kinda oppressive and you have to break turrets when chasing survivors, which gives them even more distance and you just can never catch up
I have played Xeno a good bit of time, and thoe i do agree at some points. I also feel like Xeno is still a bit stronger then Otz gives credit. But that strength mainly comes from knowing what you can hit through and not. You can also last frame redirect a tail to hit a dodging survivor if u have the reflexes enough.
You're right, B isn't the right place for Xeno. It should be down in low C or even D, it's way too reliant on add-ons to get to what ought to be baseline strength, much like old Ghostface or old Trapper.
@AlwaysThirstys i think as of late a lot of people especially killer mains play high mmr against really skilled survivors so they feel as if every killer needs to be extremely all rounded when i think that just takes away from the killers identity. not every killer needs to be s+ tier, imo i think xeno is where a killer should be in strength in order to be viable enough to beat a swf but also not stupidity strong against solo queue players, this game would honestly be better if some killers were toned down to xenos strength
As a xeno main, I have to disagree. Firstly I think there is a lot of moments where you could have made better choices resulting in a better match overall. At 3:16 that could have been end of the chase then here at 6:20 that could have end the chase with an m1 attack. Then at 8:33 you are shot by a turret but not kicked out of your power but you don't break it so you loose the crawler mode and finally at 13:04 you could take the tunnel to get Rebecca you had plenty of time and it would have been easy to catch her with your add ons that increase your range of detection in the tunnel. Not saying by any means that you are bad because you are without a doubt a way better killer than I am. There is also the fact that you could use your tail in a more lethal way to end chase way quicker overall, finally I do think that in the end those survivors weren't using turret in the best way because you were in fact more caught by how fast the gen went than the turrets being a problem. I think that Xeno is overall a high B tier killer because with the experience of playing him a lot and using very good add ons even very nasty turret placement can be overcome. As an exemple there is Mr Headache a very good xeno main that show how good xeno can be even against excellent turret. In the end I think that Xeno should be a bit higher in the tier list but that doesn't change the fact that I love you Otz
I have to say as a retired Xeno main that played since launched and p100'd the Xeno I have to disagree with you that the Xeno is alright in the tier list placement. Yes Mr Headache can deal with the turrets exponentially but on the other hand you forget the SWFs who are on comms and set up turrets on loops that you can either A: go for the turret with your tail which we all know is better to just m1 it but then you lose either your power because it's literally a turret out of m1 reach or tail attack and lose so much distance in a chase and everyone should know that in dbd time is the essence. Or B: suck it up and continue the chase in your 115 m1 form that will be more extensive on your time management. Obviously A is the better choice but then there are two scenarios where you hit it and lose distance or dbd decides to be dbd and your tail hits an invisible collision blocking the turret. Yes Xeno is incredibly oppressive but incredibly weak against the best teams who know that turrets will extend loops and use it to their advantage. I can't stress to you how much it pained me when my Xeno MMR got too high where I faced constant pressure because they brought a simple map offering. Typically I would bring lery's (for the specific tail attack spots and easy tunnel access to gens) or cut coin only for the team to bring eyrie and azarovs which is not even mentioning how map dependent Xeno can be. Yes, crazy how Xeno can be map dependent. Yes I can agree it may be a skill issue on my part but then when you get to the certain maps that all the walls are too high for tail attacks even the unique Xeno walls (yes the ones you think you can't shoot over but you can) aren't just present on some of the Azarovs variants. This brings me to why Xeno is map reliant. First off: control stations. God some of their placements is awful EVEN WITH cut coin and that's the major problem on most maps because you need to use your tunnels to pressure gens and finding survivors. Second: loops and unbearable walls. A good survivor team that LIVES for an all survivor escape will know how to loop Xeno especially for timing tail attacks. For other killers you can charge your attack which yes is somewhat weaker than your tail attack but then you have survivors who have a perfect reaction time to your tail and it is almost impossible to hit them over loops on ANY map. All of this goes to show how Xeno CAN be oppressive but CAN be extremely weak against survivors who play together to get four man escapes. I've switched to The Houndmaster now and she does everything Xeno does but better (even with a broken ass dog) because for a power you can grab people on the other side of loops AND break pallets is automatically better than having to rely on a good survivor being dumb and making a mistake to get hit over the loop (hoping they haven't gotten the timing down perfectly) and if they do, it's really game over for one key factor of your power making you essentially rely on just catching up to them and m1
@@adeliechick I do understand and you might be right but I think I might not be high mmr enough to experience this, I once had a match against Knightlight and I usually do face surv that are 1k hours at least but usually way more with map offering and busted loadout, on my side I do play a very good build but I never bring any map offerings or cut coin. I had frustrating match but often it was because I wasn't good enough to face them. I might change of point of view later but for now I think that he isn't as weak as that against good surv. But anyway Alien is my favorite movie of all time and for now I love playing xeno so I will keep playing him.
@@JeSuisPaul keep in mind players with 1k hours are still considered inexperienced for the most part, I know that sounds silly but I only start worrying about a players skill when its above at least 2k, and from experience it tends to be the sweet spot for me personally. In terms of performance to hours played
@@JeSuisPaul hey more power to you don't let me stop you from playing Xeno and yeah Aliens (yes the second movie) is my favorite aot I just wish they would be more elaborate on making the Xeno feel more akin to the movies and games (bc I completed Isolation on hard mode and the only thing I can compare the two are the tunnels) and I do hope that Xeno could get a charge or some sort much like how in Isolation the Xeno would charge towards you when it detected you which made it terrifying within itself. Maybe the turrets could stop the Xeno from its charge (much like how the game works when you use a flamethrower against the Xeno) forcing the Xeno back into its tunnel to recharge its charge attack. Yes there are a FEW instances where the Xeno uses its tail but it's considered to be a bipedal creature (compared to the runner from Alien³ that uses its all fours to run around but we don't talk about that movie or Resurrection... God were they unbearable) But on the upside Alien: Romulus was really good (other than like one scene that made me confused) and I loved that they added Rain Carradine into the game as a survivor (although it's weird she's just.. Rain.. but that's their decision)
I feel like the turrets aren’t that big of a deal on xeno. In my experience (and I feel in some points during this match) you could’ve been fine taking the turret burn and going for a basic attack. I’m not great at killer so I may be wrong in my understanding, but I feel being an m1 killer at shack with the pallet dropped isn’t the worst thing? I may be completely wrong though and I enjoy hearing your perspective, thanks for the vid Otz!
i always felt as a xeno player that the turrets are a gigantic limiter in matches were they are relevant, and matches where they aren't are too short to stick around in my memory anyway
It's funny that this video came out, since today i started to trying to get motivation to play Xeno ! As a fan of the franchise i want to play him, but damn he's hard, and it's sad he don't really play on the sneak/speed aspect of the Xenomorph Let's hope for buff some days !
If you play Huntress or even Desthslinger, she plays very similarly to that. She's basically a 115 killer with very long range on an M2 that doesn't have to be charged up and can still M1, great mobility, and okay stealth. She doesn't need great add ons to be very efficient. If the only thing you have to worry about is going against survivors that know how to position your turrets, you'll be fine because no one knows how to do that.
While I agree Alien isnt as strong as people think it is, keeping the narrative that it's because of its weak add ons and counter play is still weird to me. There's killers higher on your list with worse overall add ons, and almost every killer outside of nurse can be clowned on if the team knows how to counter play.
You’re excluding the degree of counter play that can be done. In other words, Xeno has a higher extent to which he can be countered compared to other killers. This formula also applies to addons. Amongst killers, the most effective addons have individual differences.
The better question is why am I so hard against Queen Xenomorph?
Xeno queen is the only woman I would get with
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Bro is the definition of down bad
You make very good points, BHVR _should_ buff Xeno Queen’s ass.
women = immediately sexualize them and talk about something that doesn't even exist on xenomorph's nor on the queen herself.
you gooners need to quit being so disgusting towards female fictional characters and sexualizing them at ANY given chance. i don't fucking care if i sound "woke" it's genuinely bad for your mental health to sit there and treat women like fuckable objects. you aren't gonna make it far in this society, especially as women defend themselves more and more against this type of bullshit harassment. and for the love of god, i'm pretty sure the queen produces asexually so she don't need yo ass.
@@anettelma123they said Xeno Queen’s ass 😂
@@anettelma123i think he was joking my dude.
@@anettelma123you have zero reading comprehension
@@anettelma123Why are you leaving a serious reply about balancing under a comment sexualizing the Xeno Queen and her giant ass?
Your remark at 6:35 got me thinking.
Have you considered making a specific guide/advice video on the topic of which doors killer should always and which should never break?
Don't give him idea he already has two ten hour videos planned about which sides to repair generators from
Don't break the downstairs door of main on Dead Dawg, the doors near the gen on Gas Haven unless the gen is done, and don't break most doors on Gideon's unless you're a stealth killer. I think that's most of the ones you should skip
Dont break doors if it provides another exit. Break doors if there are already multiple points of entry
Honestly I’ve always wondered that tbh. Like I get the idea that some doors can unintentionally give survivors advantages and options to connect certain loops, and more specific cases like certain doors in Gideon’s leading to dead ends that can help corner survivors, but I’ve never really seen people properly explain what doors are and aren’t good to break.
I made one video like this but it's a bit outdated now!! Maybe it's time to make another
What makes xeno hard to face against is how the counterplay isn’t intuitive if you haven’t watched guides on how to face them. A lot of solo queue teammates just put the turret a foot from the tunnel entrance so it’s wasted.
Alien main here. Yeah, it happens literally all the time, most of the turrets people place are useless like that, especially since I almost always use Cereal Rations addon, that lets me see the turrets when im underground xD
ugh don't tell, last time i played aagainst a xeno as survivor, the same sable would pick up the turret i positioned, and put on front of the tunnel, over and over.
Another reason I think more survivor-only players should play killer as well.
All it took for me was 1 game playing as the Xenomorph myself, and experiencing first hand how attacking and avoid turrets works.
Next time I played, I instantly figured out the turret on a wide corner tech, even without a guide or seeing it in my game as killer.
Think it really helps to play both sides to fully understand and improve with both sides.
@@tickoyo And vice versa, so tryhard killers realize how annoying tunneling is. I actually play a lot on both sides.
Also any event that adds chests completey screws the tunnel locations. Also to be fair gas haven is rough for almost every killer.
Theres a reason chest offerings are the most overpowered offering against killers who have map objects
Yeah, I just realized that recently. I went into my tunnels to realize that 4 gens didn't have control stations anywhere near them.
@@xenoman6158 Labour of love
Really all they would need to do is change the map logic to where it spawns the killer objects before the chests, such a simple change that I am shocked it hasn’t been changed. But then again it’s behavior sooooooo.
it can also make killer items incredibly inconvenient and time consuming to manage on the survivor's side as well. good luck trying to remove that reverse bear trap when all of the jigsaw boxes spawned at the edges of the map
I just watched Hens' Japanese Killer tierlist reaction where a Japanese DBD streamer put her in D tier. The entire reasoning was that doubling up on flamethrowers (which is rarely done in most games) completely destroys this killer and you are left with basically an M1 killer in chase if played properly. I can certainly buy it as a killer whose pace is set by the survivors rather than vice versa which is what A+ killers can do.
Add to it how comp this game is now played, resaulting in it beeing a meta thing so there is no reason to play xeno unless you are a Alien Fan.
@@nsreturn1365 Thank goodness dbd's atrocious match making makes xeno playable into babies.
There is genuinely no point in playing this game competitively but if you are then just pick nurse or blight every match, idk how this is even a debate still. This game isn't for tryhards but if you insist, obviously play the strongest options.
never forget the tactic of playing bloons tower defense in shack with all 4 turrets and some flashbangs
I'm a xenomorph main and good god against a competent squad I feel powerless, I wish I could run something different other then just 2 turret addons and be able to have fun
So basically you can stomp 95% of the time cept that one time you meet a god swf and is sweating and that is a no no?
I think people also underestimate how dodgable the Xeno tail is. It's not the most telegraphed thing, but it is telegraphed enough to dodge
This. As long as you're not in a super confined space, you can dodge if you listen for the audio que
Sure. As if it doesn't have the hitbox of a truck for 2 seconds
It's an educated guess rather than a telegraph, but yeah sometimes it comes down to the wrong 50-50 guess!
what kind of reaction time do you have?, it near instant
@Philscooperit is not near instant its pretty easy to dodge even without looking cuz u can hear it super easy
I once made a post on the DBD reddit talking about how even with the best addons, if the survivors placed turrets strategically playing Xeno becomes almost impossible to play and EVERYONE flamed me and downvoted saying this killer was so easy and that I sucked. I still stand by my belief that against good teams, Xeno is atrociously hard.
100%. It's bizzare to me how much pushback there is on this. I mained this killer for several months, and the moment I started playing against people who were smart with turrets things got ROUGH
Yup I mained him before I stopped playing the more you play the harder it gets so many times I got 2 turrets or turrets on an elevation to deal with 😭
Your first mistake was going on reddit and trying to find civil, agreeable people
The main DBD sub is more of a survivor subreddit at times
Reddit is for noobs just ask the goat of dbd otz
I’m a p100 Xeno main and have never thought they were as strong as people say they are. Since the day of the reveal I knew the turrets were going to be too strong for experienced survivors to use.
The comments in the video I’m 80% sure say they’re high mmr when you can’t find that out on ur own😂😂
Yea when I get good teams that know how to use turrets it’s a nightmare
@@zeporion6091 same here. These survivors are just complaining because they don’t know how to play the character properly. Xenomorph was my very first p100 so he holds a special place for me in this game.
@Shadow.24-c8h Xeno was one of the killers I most wanted, so I'm very happy it joined. :) Sadako will be my first (if I actually make it to P100), and then Xeno will be second.
@@braytonewell same. I have never been this happy with a chapter.
3:55 As Demi would say, Otz has that Johnny Sins length.
1:20 that’s actually wrong!! in the sense there are times you don’t want to destroy the turret due to the speed loss. The only thing turrets do are take the killer out of the power. It doesn’t stop M1 attacks meaning if you’re going to catch them anyway without the need for the tail then you don’t need to stop the chase just to hit the turret
I think it stems from not a lot of people playing the killer, so when survivors DO play against them, it's the illusion of strength because they don't properly understand how to go against Xenomorph. As a Xeno main, I always hear that turrets are too weak because they don't break the Xeno out. That's not their sole purpose, and people expect to be able to do that on their own. It takes the team to beat Xenomorph, so it's a pub and solo queue stomper against your average survivor.
Yeah, it is rare to see survivors who knows how to play against every killer. Killers don't have such difficulty since survivors are just glorified skins. A player can just master one or a few killers and stomp in public matches easily. Maining lesser played killers actually yields a lot of easy wins due to this.
@@justwatch7091 Yep! It's a growing problem because of the roster continuing to grow. Noticing a lot of players don't know how to play against a decent amount of the new killers kind of proves that a bigger roster is making the game harder to learn because a lot of players fall back on the 'meta' killers, leaving less played ones unexplored and harder to loop for the average player.
thats the rough part - since playing against a decent SWF is a single digit percent of matches, it makes xeno insufferable to play against in those other 90 something perfect
@@zackmash851 Yeah, I personally LIKE going against Xenomorph with whatever squad I have, I'd imagine for the common player it's a bit annoying. And we can't assume every person playing DbD watches YT videos on each killer, so not seeing them often really hurts the playerbases opinion on those killers.
the fact that the turret doesn’t guarantee take the xeno out (especially with addons) makes any complaining from xeno mains useless in my ears.
Otz made quite a few blunders here missing important hits and making crucial mistakes. Still, he basically managed to stay on top. So, I think this video proves, that Xeno is actually higher in the tier list, than he rated him.
yup
Or maybe because Otz is not the average killer player.
Never realised how silly the first-person wall breaking animation looks for Xeno. It's like he gently pushes it over. 😂
I'm also among people who think xeno is A tier. This video makes it even stronger to believe. They did good with placing turrets and double them. Yet You won, so turrets did not prevent You from playing. You did nice "jiggle-dance" when going into station, make few moves back and forth to quickly regain power and leave the same station. Some mistakes were made and misses but overall You only prove that even good team will fall before average xeno. Like in comment which I posted under that tier list (too long to paste it here) i think Xeno is about mobility and tunnels. Survs cannot counter Your map pressence, power recharge, tracking (to some degree unless they're carrying turrets what makes them slow and doing game objectives). Tunnes are bread and butter. I stand by my opinion that xeno is mid-low tier A killer. After all it's about having fun playing game and respecting each other opinions. Best wishes.
my issue is the tail, its so buggy and can hit on the side and even through windows if you flick the tail after extending it out making it damn near impossible to get away and as for the turrets they dont do anything at the best of times, barely slows them down around loops like you showed at shack its just not viable, you can even crouch the tail either there is no counter to this killer that works well its a 80/20 %
Oh no, there's an otz video on how to place turrets, NOW the tier list placement is justified.
just curious, do you expect him to not to clarify why it was so low after how many people asking why?
I mean, if you ask me, the real problem with Xenomorph can be summed up in three words...
THOSE DAMN COLLISIONS.
Skill issue 100%
@Mr.Dad1234 You sure? The damn tail gets caught up on every random polygon, or doesn't even hit the target properly.
@@DarkyLonewolf i have seen enough bs from huntress hatchets, nemesis whips, and xeno tails to ever care about that
the range of the beeping being lower would help make him somewhat better
I wish there was a secondary thing for xeno like leaving face huggers around the map
Face huggers as little victors, but you can only access them when the Xeno is in a tunnel would be so sick
That would be so cool. Let's say you get 5 of them and you can deploy them like singularity cameras and they have range of 10 meters. When survivor comes within range it lunges on a survivor which makes them pass merciless storm skill checks. If they fail they're incapacitated until another survivor helps them. To make it fair let's make it so where face huggers go into hibernation mode within 30 meters of the killer.
I also had this idea of face hugger also triggering the proximity sensor of turrets so now the survivors would have to guess it it was the killer in range or not.
@@Zztp0p That sounds really good honestly just to add to the horror aspect of turning a corner and getting lauchned at by one of those in any game is terrifying so replicating that in DBD but also that nerciless storm skill check to give survivors the hope of escaping an attack is so cool. Would be even better if it also had a unique mori feature of a chest burster if the survivor is not picked up before they bleed out or if they are the last one in the map and they get grabbed by one.
Too bad your suggestion would never get implemented now post launch.
But since we are doing fun takes: I would do what the rest of you suggested and add a piggy twist to it: After getting a hugger, you have to find an gimmick item and use it, or you will die within a certain time. Passive slowdown for the killer, and introducing something that would make this game fun.
My doctor says I have turrets syndrome. I guess he knows how much I hate turrets when I play as the Xenomorph!
Alien and pinhead are both in this weird position where they can be really oppressive and nasty against uncoordinated teams, but their power can fall apart quite quickly with a coordinated time. Pinhead less so, but the xeno/ceno problem is tricky. On one hand I like when survivors can do something about strong powers, on the other hand i kinda want solo q/ new survivors and killers going against coordinated swfs to be less punished
fun fact: cereal rations actually shows the turret aura when they're being carried which is surprisingly a really strong affect for information i really believe it deserves to be up next to or atleast close to star map.
The problem with killer tier lists, is they are an all in one that doesn't distinguish between SWFs and solos.
That’s not a problem. 😂.
It’s basically this:
I can beat survivorss 95% of the time until I meet that one god swf and now I am sweating and that’s a no no.
That sounds as silly as me saying I can beat 95% of all killers til I meet that one killer that’s very good , not fair! 🤓
@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN If you were to make a killer tier list and put a picture on for solo survivor and another one for SWFs. Every killer would fall in either S or A tier with SWFs being S. Solo suvivor would be low F tier.
The largest demographic of DBDs playerbase is unplayble, that is unacceptable.
For me the only thing they could change is to remove the damn slowndown while being burned, you don't walk faster on crawler mode, so why tf there's a slowdown by getting off your power?
Hello Otz, this is friends, coming in with constructive criticism regarding your video editing:
Don't put the hint text at the very bottom of the video, it makes it a bit hard to read if you pause the video, because it's getting covered up by the video controls. I have some Chrome Extensions that add to the video controls, so I don't know how bad it is for other people. Just thought I'd let you know either way just in case.
1:58 every now and again you'll come across 4 survivors with default character names and a blur effect that fades away before the clip is over like Homer Simpson's website
Singu is the closest killer i can think of in counterplay to xeno. You can setup, but team intervention/awareness helps a lot.
Difference is singu effectively only deals with punishment to the tier of "had to break a turret" and never "lost crawler form"
If singu had to go to one of the emp boxes to regain his ability to use shoot/use biopods, that would be ass
probably my most conflicted feelings on xenomorph are them running plaything when turrets tell you exactly when theyre coming or at least close. but then i see soloq start cleansing and watch pentimento pop up and realize why they sometimes do
Most xenomorphs are hard limited by their approach to turrets. They're not always a hindrance- sometimes they're a valuable slow down resource.
I always run the addon that shows me where they are. If one is somewhere I don't care about I leave it. They only get so many and have to slowly move them. Often they get forgotten and that makes one less turret to worry about.
Sometimes they're bait. If they're set up somewhere I've depleted the resources I leave them and let the less aware survivors run to their aura for an easy down.
more often than not I can somewhat gauge the playstyle and strength of the survivors in the first minute of the match. My first chase is whoever dumps a turret right at the tunnel bc they're inexperienced, etc.
I don't think many xenos realize that an empty turret will destroy itself after a short time. You're often better off getting burnt out and taking a pallet than you are breaking a turret and getting nothing.
I think ppl get annoyed with xeno bc they want their power all the time and refuse to change their playstyle to accommodate. Approach Xeno with a macroplay mindset, and you get far better results I think.
Stealth is deadly on Xeno but only if you can manage turrets extremely well. It's funny- something that is core to its identity has to be worked for in game.
I just had a little thought, i faced xenomorph yesterday on RPD and MAN was it hard to place a turret, it was almost impossible to get one down on the west side of RPD because the corridors and rooms are so small
i just find xeno a more limiting demo, I cant choose where to place my portals, some of the time im literally just playing m1 and then when i actually can use my ability i prefer demo's since you can jump off cliffs with it and break pallets, i also think the hit is super satifying on demo.
also using stealth perks is not effective on xeno so thats another hinderance (which removes one of the most important parts of xeno's fear factor in the movies which is kind of stupid since demo is more of a stealth killer then xeno and demo in the show makes it VERY obvious when hes appearing from a portal since the lights flicker)
As a sadako player I don't agree with her placement too. She's just weird and requires to play unusual. She's actually a lot stronger then players think.
no
i agree
I put her in top of B+
I just hate how slow you are when carrying a turret. It wastes a lot of time just for the killer to break it most of the time without being kicked out of their power bcs of 2 add-ons. If you place 2 turrets next to eachotjer you only have 2 left and it takes years to get them to the same place.
Hello Otz! This was an interesting video to watch because i haven't seen a xenomorph since i started playing the game a month ago! I was hoping i could get your opinion(Or random viewers) on the three teachable perks i have a created for my custom killer( I'm creating this killer because i want to try and design a killer who is fun to play and plays different then most currently in the game.) But if you don't fell comfortable or simply don't want to, just tell me and i wont ask again.
These are the teachable perks:
HEX: Engineers Insight
“From a young age Lilith was gifted with technology, forming a deep bond with it, that bond has manifested in physical effect, albeit in a more unpredictable way”
Effect:
Every collective 4 seconds of working on a generator, a skill check appears.
Every time a survivor hits 3 good skill checks in a row on a generator, gain killer instinct on that survivor for 5 seconds. When this effect also happens, the survivor has your aura revealed to them for 3 seconds. If a survivor hits a great skill check on the third skill check, they are not revealed by killer instinct but still see your aura.
*Survivors working on a generator see this perks icon, each skill check they hit fill the perk up by a third(Like Metal Of Man)
Interrogation
“Serving in the military for years, you skill of extracting information is most effect”
Effect:
After putting a survivor into the dying state using a basic attack, gain the ability to perform an interrogation. Upon activating it(Identical to using a mori) enter a 6-10 second animation, where you place your right foot and the survivors back and press down. After the animation is complete, reveal the auras of all other survivors for 5 seconds, then this perk enters a 90 second cooldown. During the first 6 seconds of the animation, the survivor will be faced with 4 medium difficult still checks, each skill check that they hit increase the animations length time by 1 second. So the default is 6 seconds if they hit all four, it becomes 10. If the survivors miss the skill check, reduce the animation by 1 second.
*I chose the above animation as it seems the least problematic to make and most killers will be able to perform it without looking weird, but killers like nurse and dredge will look a little weird given the lack of legs(Functional legs in The Nurse's case), but it's the best(Simplest and most versatile)i could think of.
Faulty design
“Having grown up watching the failures of others' inventions, you picked up on how to build a structure that, while mostly physically identical, is designed to hinder the user.
Effect:
Gain the ability to rebuild a broken pallet with a 2.5 second animation and return it to its standing position. When a survivor throws this “Rebuilt pallet”, they become hindered by 5% for 5 seconds. This pallet can be used in every way a normal pallet can be used, including stunning the killer but can be broken with a normal breaking animation that is sped up 70%, the "Rebuilt pallet" will also be broken if a survivor fast vaults over it 3 times.
*This pallet has a metal X across its standing most visible side or its fallen underneath depending on its position.
I always loved Xeno, at least in the concept of its power. The gameplay, however, is a little annoying. Mostly because sometimes I feel like I should hit the survivor with my tail and I either miss by an hair lenght, or the tail bumps into an invisible hitbox that makes 0 sense. And while most people use the turrets badly, they can still be quite the bother to destroy every now and then. I would love to play it a bit more, but it just doesn't give me the same amount of satisfaction as my other favs, Artist and Nemesis.
You probably wont read this, but your website still shows the tierlist from a year ago instead of the new one.
It doesn't matter if the tail is deadly if it takes 10s just to catch up after every hit. Tourets also warn survivors to run early. The tail is only 4.5m. On top of that he still struggles vs god pallets and tourets are like body blocks. He's average at best.
Xenos power is centered around getting bulied if they apply the trowers right
Xeno is fun to play, but I will say the whole "Turrets have a proximity alarm" thing kinda fucks the entire point of the character's stealth mechanics. It's thematic, but really it's just a very powerful tool to Survivors that don't really need it.
That's so real when I first got Xeno I was gonna run Monitor and Abuse on them but then realized it doesn't matter cause the turrets snitch on me anyway :(
It was heartbreaking to learn that Xeno is actually not a stealth killer
@@wonderguardstalkerI play it a lot like stealth and I seem to get a lot of success. I use Monitor and Abuse and try to use tunnels to catch survivors from unexpected angles. Most of the time, they get hit by my tail as soon as they react to my TR.
xeno could have been so cool if they leaned into stealth, but instead he got anti-stealth in his kit alongside a super boring and very strong anti loop. so boring
Zeno is OP. Stop playin.
I really hate what bhvr did with xeno. It's one of the coolest movie monsters ever but it's no fun to play
as a low MMR survivor, my first time playing against Xeno had my teammates get obliterated while I solo'd 4 gens. I didn't understand until i watched this video; as it turns out, I was simply using the flamethrowers better
You're not wrong but I think a tier list should probably reflect how a killer feels a majority of the time that you play them. If survivors don't know how to use turrets 90% of the time that you're playing Xeno, then Xeno is not really at the bottom of B tier 90% of the time. And honestly... saying that even 10% of survivors you go against actually know what they're doing with turrets is being generous in my experience. Every killer can feel a lot weaker when the survivors know what they're doing. Xeno might suffer more than the average killer because they have a built in counter-play... but Xeno also has a much stronger base kit than the average killer. And while the Xeno's add-ons aren't amazing, there are killers that are much higher on your tier list that have even worse add-on options.
I do think that BHVR over-corrected when they nerfed Xeno but that doesn't stop Xeno from being a monster most of the time that you're playing as them. If they wanted to buff Xeno then they could probably change the turrets to either knock Xeno out of their power OR slow them down but not both. But that would just make Xeno even crazier against most survivors. Personally, I would like a rework that removes the turrets completely since BHVR doesn't seem to be great at balancing around killers with direct counter-play. They also don't really fit the killer thematically. Like yeah, Ripley used a flamethrower in the movies but the turrets are kind of silly. Especially since they're inexplicably tied to the Xeno's tunnel system. Xeno should have been more stealth-focused and the turrets make that difficult. Doing something with motion trackers and/or face huggers would have fit a lot better.
Idk, the killer is already plenty strong for me with strong traversal, better Nemesis' whip which btw is super oppressive if used right, short terror radius in crawler mode, short height... the only counterplay is turrets and thank god they exist. Just look at that, the survivors were using the turrets really nicely and you still managed to pull a 3k without any hardcore tunneling or going through dumb loops over and over like M1 killers do. Nah, this killer is completely fine tbh.
I aint saying that Xeno should have a stealth power for balance reasons, but I always felt it's weird to have a Xeno that isn't stealthy, you know? They were so good at hiding and picking people off in the movie.
Otz: "You should never destroy this door on autohaven. It is way too strong for survivors."
Also Otz: *Destroys that exact door every video.*
Answering a question proposed in a previous video I would balance map offerings by changing the idea: you don't choose a map or map family, instead you ban it. Also map specific missions would be revised. I don't know if this is still relevant
demo at the end of C tier is diabolical, you should really look into him again. I have over 300hrs on demo and im honestly struggling to lose. only on rare occasions when i have really good survivors (5k hrs each) is when i lose. and i usually try avoiding gen regression perks (pop, pain res, grim, dms whatever). demo is super aggressive and fun in chase and with enduring, he gets even better. i really can't understand this opinion and I'm convinced that you are completely wrong about demo!
a whole 300 hours... lol
Yeah, trapper is actually s tier.
I have 200 hours on him and oftentimes struggle to lose, he shuts down so many loops and makes it so easy to win.
Trapper only ever loses against experienced survivors and he starts to be super agressive once he sets up.
I can't understand this opinion and convinced you are completely wrong.
/j
Meanwhile nobody in my games even recognize that the turrets do anything, so I end up needing to trek around the whole map just to give my teammates something to use in chase.
I think the turrets should be some form of handheld flamethrowers, that the survivors have to aim and use like flashlights
I like this idea, but to make it more balanced and engaging I'd make the flamethrowers run out of fuel eventually and you would have to go back to a Station to reload it.
>Survivor-sided map
>Slow start for killer
>Makes plenty of minor mistakes
>Good survivors that know how to place turrets and all have strong loadouts
>Still a 3K anyway.
They don't seem like an SWF at least.
are we gonna ignore the fact the ace gave him a free kill at 4 hooks? He only won because he got a player out of the game very fast due their own lack of awareness, not because of the killer he was playing and because the survivors were not that great at looping, they (at least 2 of them) knew the counterplay to this killer. Almost any killer can win if they get someone out of the game that fast
@@orion2544 Otz made plenty of mistakes, but if the survivor makes a mistake, it's game over. That fast? Only 2 gens were remaining when Ace died, that is not that fast. You make it sound like Otz was tunneling at 5-gens, but he wasn't. This doesn't seem to me like a hard game for Otz. He didn't appear to be sweating for it, he didn't use any of the dirtiest killer strategies, and still got a comfortable 75% killrate. They were not that great at looping, but not that bad either. Sometimes there's a limit to what you can do with a projectile killer like Xeno chasing you, as Ace was forced to fake the vault immediately before he died, where with a weaker killer he could have safely vaulted.
Otz tends to exaggerate when it comes to "bad" games. Look at his "players quit over games like these" video... and it's a 3K with current freddy.
I think most people what an ACTUAL bad match is as killer, and it's not a 3K lol
I've always wanted Alien in DBD...but the turrets really put me off. I love the idea of stealth builds on Xeno because it'd be terrifying to turn a corner and see a whole Queen Xeno just standing there...but the turrets just make it a little boring :/
There should be an add on to remove the beeping on turrets at least honestly
as a P100 Xeno main i have to say that you are really sleeping on the fast vault add on paired with bamboozle.... You can vault everything the survivors vault and basically lose no distance ever
Yeah that's fair, although let's be honest a LOT of weaker windows don't ever need to be vaulted (you can just hit Survivors using them with tail) and some maps are more pallet oriented (Gideon).
Big value once, then immediately called out and everyone will hold W, which is pretty much the way against Xeno anyway.
This didnt show why xeno wasnt A tier at all? Still downed quickly and got the 3k with minimal issues?
"Good player performs good with sub-par option" I don't get the logic here. Were you watching the video on mute? The amount of time wasted and chases he lost because of turrets and complained about it is insane
@SaltCane he misplayed at the beginning a good bit. Critical thinking and using your eyes can be difficult. Most of the time wasted was on otz. It had nothing to do with the mechanics of the killer.
@@theShadowBolts20 "Most of the time wasted had nothing to do with the mechanics of the killer" And you're the one mentioning "using eyes" and critical thinking, the amount of irony is absurd.
@SaltCane it must be difficult having a 30 IQ but here you somehow still managing to breathe and eat.
that's because ace gave him a free kill at 4 hooks. That's rarely gonna happen in your games against good survivors
I think the two big changes I'd make are disallowing putting turrets within each others' radius (or reducing the overall number of turrets to make those choices tougher) and absolutely making the turrets not give that beeping info.
Thanks for this video, me and my team always get obliterated by every Xeno we play against so we'll take notes!
I still think alien should be higher . Not only for the simple fact most people dont even place turrets correctly . If nobody puts up a turret while your in chase your pretty much dead . I just dont think a killer with such a good chase power can be that low. Also it seems like every alien i go against is great at tailing the turrets lol . I think because not alot of people play alien . The ones that do are extremely good with the tail . They used the turrets well and you didnt get knocked out a couple times with that green add on im sure you would have tanked a couple more .
Ngl I find matches on open maps with bunched up turrets unwinnable, it's like playing cloakless wraith
You forgot about one turret thing, if you are healthy, You can just protect the turret. Losing health state, that you would lose anyway in exchange for burning xeno is really strong.
Overall Xeno should be immune to turrets for short duration after hiting survivor or destroying another turret. In exchange just make turret placement better with lower movement speed penalty. In some maps, You still gonna spend few buisness days trying to find the exact spot, You can place turret on.
No it’s not worth that’s very silly,he will have his cool down so quick it would be a throw, you’d be better of trying to doge or take hit and use the distance to last an extra 5s in chase 😂
I've never tried this or seen anyone trying it!! Seems like a risky idea in some situations but now I'm very curious!
I honestly think that can be a fair placement for Xeno if we are talking about a team that is very experienced with turrets, but that begs the question: Why do you consider hag better when she has a much tougher time against a smart team? Not saying she needs to be D tier or something, but it still doesn't seem logically consistent.
Because she still has her power, and it doesn't take long to reset them. With the turrets, Xeno completely loses her general ability as well as is literally being slowed down.
@@braytonewell Hag is permanently slowed down being 4.4. Unless you're in the situation where an injured survivor is running into your web (without a bodyblock), which a good team will almost never do, she should not be getting a down. Additionally even if she does get a down outside of her web, at that point the hook doesn't bring much pressure. The only situation she is decently strong in is basement, which is still possible to get out of. Or you just let the person die on hook for 140 seconds and get all the gens done.
@Triplestryke1 If you put traps in the right places and play the survivors well, you can get some good hits. I mean, she's one of the few killers who can literally teleport. Go back a little and watch one of Otz's other videos, specifically about Hag.
@@braytonewell I've watched that video, it was not convincing. A team coordinated enough to place all these turrets correctly and set up double turret set ups will be coordinated enough to run through her web while she's carrying a survivor, meet to reset, and take hits.
@Triplestryke1 Hag is still strong, though. Turret tunnels are way easier to see than the traps Hag puts. It's not quite as easy.
Always remember that the turrents can look down but they cant look up so dont place them at the bottom of some stairs basically
Great now I’ll never hear the end of it from xeno crutchers 😭
I wonder if the addon that makes turrets take longer to respawn would actually be pretty good against these kind of players
Glad to see I'm not crazy. I always felt like I had to sweat to win as Xeno
what i think is actually xenos biggest weakness is rng with their crawlspaces. while its very debilitating to deal with well placed turrets, as a xeno main ive had some horrible tp spots on maps. there was a whole side of garden of joy where there were 0 crawlspaces and another side where they were all basically in the same area.. and the survivors def paid attention to that. it was impossible to properly apply pressure w my power because i couldve patrol the map in full since there was no tps on the other side so trying to check around 2 gens on the other side of the map WHILE in the crawlspaces was literally not allowed since it didnt go that far out.
While I agree that the killer does struggle against good teams I've noticed you tend to avoid having synergies or just using it's best addons (Catbox and Bolt) which act as essentially extra perks while you use the safer but noticeably weaker addons, you also often get too distracted by turrets and end up breaking them when you could easily avoid them, for example: had you not hit the turret while carrying Nea you could have interrupted the final gen.
I play this killer alot and by no means do I think I'm the best player with it, but I do think some micro changes to how you play it could make a world of difference.
13:56 This is why I don't like tier lists outside the ones for add-ons and perks specifically. The killers tier list are so depended on loadout the power is not stressed enough as the loadout bears a large portion of the gameplay burden. You will find yourself saying "If you bring this or bring that then the killer is instantly x-tier" or "This killer add-ons/perks make this killer x-tier" and it seems the loadout is considered more then the killers ability.
Skill based match making makes no sense in a loadout based game.
My friend said there is no counter-play to xeno (he says this against every kill her dies against..) what do you think of this otz/reader?
Your friend seems like the kind of guy to complain about something but will never actually do anything about it.
Nemesis being stronger than xeno wasn't on my 2024 list but I'm glad it happened
its 2025!
@bajhi_ Nemi got buffed in 24
Which is odd because he is still a 3 hit killer at the end of the day. Xeno does have the better anti loop but the turret situation hurts a lot.
@@CaptToiletthe nemesis buff was massive
@@guts1952 Extra distance and hindered is nice yes but it still doesn't make it better than xeno. Xeno has better map pressure due to tunnels, can get his tail whip immediately, which I believe is just slightly smaller than T3 Nemmy whip. And you can hit survivors ducking behind pallets much more reliably unless they duck on the extreme high end of the dropped pallet. Remember Nemmy still has the issue of being "nem teched" if you duck behind a knee high obstacle, which is still BS to this day. Xeno does not have this issue.
All in all mechanically he is higher than Nemmy, but the turrets smack him down to where he is now.
Chests also share spawn points with xeno's tunnels and take priority for some stupid reason leading to some really frustrating situations where chests can effectively create large tunnel dead zones. Its probably a bug but it is extremely frustrating none the less.
Careful, when you show the blurred names of the survivor, there are a few seconds where their names are visible without the blur
they're using anonymous mode
Always a good day when otz post
Otz, idk why you even blurred those guys. They literally had the name hiding option turned on.
Survivor being op once u play more than a day as usual
Offtopic on Xeno but Unknown should be higher on the tierlist 😼
Agree, unknown is super underrated
yeah, xeno is kinda strong, what's he talking about
I think its spot on the list is fine. Very strong but with a fair amount of counterplay. A good Survivor team can shut down its Power but it can also snowball a lot if they aren’t careful so there’s a decent back and forth.
@@pokeaust7800 esp with the recentish addon changes i think its fine where it is, if it werent for that id agree it should be higher
@@waldomirolealjunior😢😊😊😊😢
I've been playing xeno a lot during the event to get them to P9. I am getting stomped 80% of my games but if I switch to any other killer, it's like the survivors just bought the game
Those turrets looks so hard to spot! How tf can you react to them properly?
hit them?
When I play him the ground is nothing but turrets.
It's also worth mentioning that while setting up a turret, there's a particular time where survivors cannot be hit. This may seem like something that'll rarely come up in actual gameplay, but I have played hundreds of matches as Xeno, and across at least a couple dozen matches, my claws or tail have gone directly through a survivor that I am looking directly at. This results in me getting burned out of my power, and it's quite frustrating, because it's obviously not intentional, but happens often enough to be a genuine point of frustration for the killer.
man i love going against xeno because i think the turrets are super fun and cool to setup. playing as xeno is also cool because the tunnels are fun but as this video shows, shes kind of tricky to excel with.
Xeno is one of my favorite characters as well, and I think the idea of the turrets is a cool secondary objective. As the video points out, they can get quite annoying, but if the survivors haven't learned, they aren't too frustrating. 🤣
When I went frame by frame, to see the names of the pixelated players, only to find that they all used anonymous mode...
Still not as bad as him censoring cheater names lmao
@@AntiHank104 If he doesn't censor them, there'll be a bunch of people who go harass them and take it too far with threats and the like and he'd be blamed. Basic precautions all sensible large content creators take.
@@AntiHank104 Cheaters want attention, censoring their names leaves them in the obscurity they've earned
@@SapientGalaxy blamed by whom? The person who went around TOS to make others miserable in a game? Surely their opinion on anything in this life matters much
@@Qeseu its not that serious
So the display of how tough it can be for good counter play when playing xeno just pretty much slow down the inevitable because if its a decent xeno player they get hits anyway didn't learn anything here
For me xeno is bad because the tail attack i think will hit doesn't hit and the attack that should miss somehow hits...
Xeno is just Hold W killer and it's frustrating. The best strat against iy is holding W as its chase power is kinda oppressive and you have to break turrets when chasing survivors, which gives them even more distance and you just can never catch up
I'm more of a Plato guy when it comes to my top ten but Aristotle is a good pick too
Im more of a Socrates guy
Fair enough, although i'm more like a Diogenes type of person
Xenomorph is such a peculiar killer.
I have played Xeno a good bit of time, and thoe i do agree at some points. I also feel like Xeno is still a bit stronger then Otz gives credit. But that strength mainly comes from knowing what you can hit through and not. You can also last frame redirect a tail to hit a dodging survivor if u have the reflexes enough.
12:05 that DH was incredible
You're right, B isn't the right place for Xeno. It should be down in low C or even D, it's way too reliant on add-ons to get to what ought to be baseline strength, much like old Ghostface or old Trapper.
I agree just so Xeno can get buffs
@@AlphaI250she absolutely dosent need buffs 💀
@@AzarathX. Agreed. Only thing she needs is fixing her collision with her tail but other then that she's fine thee way she is
@@AzarathX. It's the issue where do we buff a killer most newbies have trouble with but swf destroy or do we keep it the same.
@AlwaysThirstys i think as of late a lot of people especially killer mains play high mmr against really skilled survivors so they feel as if every killer needs to be extremely all rounded when i think that just takes away from the killers identity. not every killer needs to be s+ tier, imo i think xeno is where a killer should be in strength in order to be viable enough to beat a swf but also not stupidity strong against solo queue players, this game would honestly be better if some killers were toned down to xenos strength
As a xeno main, I have to disagree. Firstly I think there is a lot of moments where you could have made better choices resulting in a better match overall. At 3:16 that could have been end of the chase then here at 6:20 that could have end the chase with an m1 attack. Then at 8:33 you are shot by a turret but not kicked out of your power but you don't break it so you loose the crawler mode and finally at 13:04 you could take the tunnel to get Rebecca you had plenty of time and it would have been easy to catch her with your add ons that increase your range of detection in the tunnel. Not saying by any means that you are bad because you are without a doubt a way better killer than I am. There is also the fact that you could use your tail in a more lethal way to end chase way quicker overall, finally I do think that in the end those survivors weren't using turret in the best way because you were in fact more caught by how fast the gen went than the turrets being a problem. I think that Xeno is overall a high B tier killer because with the experience of playing him a lot and using very good add ons even very nasty turret placement can be overcome. As an exemple there is Mr Headache a very good xeno main that show how good xeno can be even against excellent turret. In the end I think that Xeno should be a bit higher in the tier list but that doesn't change the fact that I love you Otz
I have to say as a retired Xeno main that played since launched and p100'd the Xeno I have to disagree with you that the Xeno is alright in the tier list placement. Yes Mr Headache can deal with the turrets exponentially but on the other hand you forget the SWFs who are on comms and set up turrets on loops that you can either A: go for the turret with your tail which we all know is better to just m1 it but then you lose either your power because it's literally a turret out of m1 reach or tail attack and lose so much distance in a chase and everyone should know that in dbd time is the essence. Or B: suck it up and continue the chase in your 115 m1 form that will be more extensive on your time management. Obviously A is the better choice but then there are two scenarios where you hit it and lose distance or dbd decides to be dbd and your tail hits an invisible collision blocking the turret. Yes Xeno is incredibly oppressive but incredibly weak against the best teams who know that turrets will extend loops and use it to their advantage. I can't stress to you how much it pained me when my Xeno MMR got too high where I faced constant pressure because they brought a simple map offering. Typically I would bring lery's (for the specific tail attack spots and easy tunnel access to gens) or cut coin only for the team to bring eyrie and azarovs which is not even mentioning how map dependent Xeno can be. Yes, crazy how Xeno can be map dependent. Yes I can agree it may be a skill issue on my part but then when you get to the certain maps that all the walls are too high for tail attacks even the unique Xeno walls (yes the ones you think you can't shoot over but you can) aren't just present on some of the Azarovs variants. This brings me to why Xeno is map reliant. First off: control stations. God some of their placements is awful EVEN WITH cut coin and that's the major problem on most maps because you need to use your tunnels to pressure gens and finding survivors. Second: loops and unbearable walls. A good survivor team that LIVES for an all survivor escape will know how to loop Xeno especially for timing tail attacks. For other killers you can charge your attack which yes is somewhat weaker than your tail attack but then you have survivors who have a perfect reaction time to your tail and it is almost impossible to hit them over loops on ANY map. All of this goes to show how Xeno CAN be oppressive but CAN be extremely weak against survivors who play together to get four man escapes. I've switched to The Houndmaster now and she does everything Xeno does but better (even with a broken ass dog) because for a power you can grab people on the other side of loops AND break pallets is automatically better than having to rely on a good survivor being dumb and making a mistake to get hit over the loop (hoping they haven't gotten the timing down perfectly) and if they do, it's really game over for one key factor of your power making you essentially rely on just catching up to them and m1
@@adeliechick I do understand and you might be right but I think I might not be high mmr enough to experience this, I once had a match against Knightlight and I usually do face surv that are 1k hours at least but usually way more with map offering and busted loadout, on my side I do play a very good build but I never bring any map offerings or cut coin. I had frustrating match but often it was because I wasn't good enough to face them. I might change of point of view later but for now I think that he isn't as weak as that against good surv. But anyway Alien is my favorite movie of all time and for now I love playing xeno so I will keep playing him.
@@JeSuisPaul keep in mind players with 1k hours are still considered inexperienced for the most part, I know that sounds silly but I only start worrying about a players skill when its above at least 2k, and from experience it tends to be the sweet spot for me personally. In terms of performance to hours played
@@JeSuisPaul hey more power to you don't let me stop you from playing Xeno and yeah Aliens (yes the second movie) is my favorite aot I just wish they would be more elaborate on making the Xeno feel more akin to the movies and games (bc I completed Isolation on hard mode and the only thing I can compare the two are the tunnels) and I do hope that Xeno could get a charge or some sort much like how in Isolation the Xeno would charge towards you when it detected you which made it terrifying within itself. Maybe the turrets could stop the Xeno from its charge (much like how the game works when you use a flamethrower against the Xeno) forcing the Xeno back into its tunnel to recharge its charge attack. Yes there are a FEW instances where the Xeno uses its tail but it's considered to be a bipedal creature (compared to the runner from Alien³ that uses its all fours to run around but we don't talk about that movie or Resurrection... God were they unbearable) But on the upside Alien: Romulus was really good (other than like one scene that made me confused) and I loved that they added Rain Carradine into the game as a survivor (although it's weird she's just.. Rain.. but that's their decision)
I tried a all killer win streak and when I got to xeno, there was a swf and I got destroyed 😭
4:40
I mean old Otzdarva would play chess during the match and win both.
I feel like the turrets aren’t that big of a deal on xeno. In my experience (and I feel in some points during this match) you could’ve been fine taking the turret burn and going for a basic attack. I’m not great at killer so I may be wrong in my understanding, but I feel being an m1 killer at shack with the pallet dropped isn’t the worst thing? I may be completely wrong though and I enjoy hearing your perspective, thanks for the vid Otz!
i always felt as a xeno player that the turrets are a gigantic limiter in matches were they are relevant, and matches where they aren't are too short to stick around in my memory anyway
It's funny that this video came out, since today i started to trying to get motivation to play Xeno !
As a fan of the franchise i want to play him, but damn he's hard, and it's sad he don't really play on the sneak/speed aspect of the Xenomorph
Let's hope for buff some days !
If you play Huntress or even Desthslinger, she plays very similarly to that. She's basically a 115 killer with very long range on an M2 that doesn't have to be charged up and can still M1, great mobility, and okay stealth. She doesn't need great add ons to be very efficient. If the only thing you have to worry about is going against survivors that know how to position your turrets, you'll be fine because no one knows how to do that.
I feel like they’d just mess up xeno so no thanks
Xeno is just lacking....feels like he could have had more in the way of powers. He's also not a stealth killer whilst parading as one
I think they should add facehuggers that periodically spawn and attack survivors but get killed by turrets which temporarily disables the turrets
The bitrate is so low
While I agree Alien isnt as strong as people think it is, keeping the narrative that it's because of its weak add ons and counter play is still weird to me. There's killers higher on your list with worse overall add ons, and almost every killer outside of nurse can be clowned on if the team knows how to counter play.
You’re excluding the degree of counter play that can be done.
In other words, Xeno has a higher extent to which he can be countered compared to other killers.
This formula also applies to addons. Amongst killers, the most effective addons have individual differences.