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Xenia - the Xbox 360 emulator has just released a MASSIVE update that offers performance improvements between 50-90%. In todays episode we take a look at how Xbox 360 games via Xenia are running on the Valve Steam Deck
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It's pretty cool to see these emulators get better and better. Especially with the lack of game preservation these days.
Yargh, aye matey!
I grew up with the 360 so this is impressive.
Lack of game preservation? How so? I feel we are in a golden age of game preservation
@@chanunnaki gaming is pretty much all digital. when those servers go down or the license expires you rely on piracy (if its even possible on the system). even if you're buying games on disc you're getting a crappy version that was probably built 2 months before the game was sold with no dlc support. then theres games where the main selling point was the online component. dont even get me started on Nintendo's self destructing digital only games like that mario battle royal. nothings being preserved.
@@chanunnaki Even many old online only games have custom servers, since original is gone.
We can partially blame GameSpy for that, as so many games used it.
It's super interesting that we reach the era of stable 7.generation emulations. Things like Xbox 360, PS3, WiiU are almost on that level.
I'm happy that we keep researching behind them. It's super important for preservation.
WiiU emulation was fairly good back in 2018
@@Emoziga Wii u is 8th generation
Even the switch emulation is quite good actually, emulation reached a quite impressive milestone in history, why bother keeping these old consoles and the stress of maintenance,I have 2 xbox 360 here that don't even read discs anymore . Emulation is very important to the preservation of these hardwares
@@baguete02 yup, consoles are becoming more similar to PCs since it isn't worth it to make custom chips, emulation will only get easier
@@baguete02 While I enjoy emulation (massive DosBox fanboy) I also still enjoy of hardware too, though my entire game collection has long been digitized for preservation of the original diskettes,CDs/DVDs, and carts
The steam deck is the gold standard for portable gaming.
Yeah! I hope it forces the competition to get off their butts so that we can get a huge selection of killer portable consoles. Also screw Nintendo for selling such an underpowered, yet so expensive Switch.
@@ContemporaryCultist the Switch and Steam Deck hits different parts of the market. They both play games, but one is a fairly closed system with a fairly controlled experience, the other is a fairly open system that has avenues to tailor your experience however you want. One pushes the limit to being a handheld size, the other is a "handheld" technically but let's be real.
The Switch was never designed to be a powerhouse, it was designed to be a Nintendo experience on the go. Steam Deck was designed to bridge the gap between handheld and PC gaming so it needs to be optimized in some areas and relatively powerful to deliver an acceptable to good experience.
There are also competitors looking to see if they can enter the Steam Deck's space with even better hardware, but time will tell.
@@songolin4544 I don’t get why people are still complaining about Nintendo hardware not being comparable to competitors. They decided back in the N64 days that they didn’t want to chase hardware and just went with being a curated and different experience. And that’s never going to change.
It could be a bit more portable though
@@projectgoatse well GameCube days but close enough
For Condemned 1, definetly recomand the PC port. Like FEAR 1, it supports soft shadows if FSAA is disabled. (X360 only has hard, stencil shadows a la Doom 3). There is also an A.I. upscaled texture mod and a proper 16:9 mod for UI elements and the loading screens artwork. Great improvements.
Pretty sure the pc version has no controller support
@@james-ch Everything on steam has controller support with steam's controller configuration settings. There's already multiple community configs for this game I'm sure.
Yes I came to the comments for a sanity check as I was nearly sure I played condemned on pc instead of PS3.
That would surely be the way to play it. The pc port didn't suffer like so many in the 360, PS3 era.
Edit: yes, it's a tenner on steam
@@james-ch lol I played through Jedi Knight on the steam deck and that game most certainly doesn't have controller support. Steam input is very good.
Yeah it has no controller support. At best you can use steam input but you won't have aim assist so using guns will be a little tricky.
9:10 Condemned Criminal Origins has a PC version which continues to be sold on Steam to this day.Would be nice to test Condemned 2 since that is exclusive to consoles!
no clue why they didn't release the sequel on pc.
@@finallife87 missed opportunity tbh
@@finallife87 A lot of people at the time thought PC gaming was dying. Steam eventually took off though.
Day 1 360 owner here. I had perfect dark zero at launch and I had a good time with using bots in local multi-player. I didn't have a internet connection back then. I would put bots in a small map and set it to rockets only, I would then hide somewhere and use the secondary firing mode to pilot the rockets around the map chasing bots. Or I would find them fighting each other and get 2 or 3 at a time. I had a good time with the game in this regard, pretty entertaining I thought.
Same here 360 no internet and man I loved bot fights in Perfect Dark.
I’m hoping to run PDZ in 60fps at some point. The OG gameplay was held back by 30 fps lock.
Exactly the same on 007 nightfire gamecube version, I loved the weapons and gadgets, destroying bots was fun.
PDZ was one of the first games I bought for the 360. Played it for a hour or so up until the nightclub level then traded it in, awful game. Looks like a Gamecube game and has terrible controls.
They dont make them shooters like they used to. I mean i like new stuff too dont get me wrong but i love firing up my 360 to play some generic fps game
Both Xenia and Steam Deck are impressive and having PS3/X360 and Wii generation of games emulated on a handheld is mind-blowing!
Makes me wonder.
Since you cant play GTA V offline mode without DRM Register to the Rockstar Launcher, can the Steam Deck emulate the 7th Gen Versions of that Game instead?
@@applehazeva2739 at that point I'd just pirate GTA V for PC to play offline
@@greentray1231 just thought of it becouse someone once said that the 7th Gen Versions are only 18-22 GB :D but yeah thats more logical to do
@@zacharywilhelm2462 can you tell me which folder to put the iso in I need help
@@zacharywilhelm2462 I’m running emu deck
Wow, that is wild. I was of the impression that Xbox 360 Emulation is still in its infancy. But I'm very pleasantly surprised.
it definitely is a bit, this is kinda a unprecedented improvement in such a short time. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Microsoft releasing the dx9 to dx12 translation layer.
I was playing burnout revenge on Xbox 360 emulation 3 years ago.
@@randybobandy9828 on what hardware tho?
now we need PS3 emul for the full package😎
From a technical standpoint, what changed in the canary branch to cause such significant improvements? Do you know what they specifically optimized? @ModernVintageGamer
was wondering about this as well. Will google.
RTFPR
Due to the rumors about the Xenia performance boost, I finally did a Call of Juarez 1 playthrough. Seing 120 fps locked (or more) was hilarious. At 720p, the game dislikes rez scaling. It was a great experience. Just fully finished a playthrough.
It actually brings tears to my eyes to see that we are emulating Xbox 360 and Playstation 3s on a handheld device. I recall an issue of Next Generation Gaming or EGM magazine that said that we would have PlayStation 3 power level handheld devices by 2030. At the time I thought that it was ridiculous because the PlayStation 2 was the fresh hot thing and I just could not imagine anything strong enough to emulate that on handheld. I am so happy that we are finally at this point and I hope that the community continues to drive us forward into better and better emulation.
Tears? Bruh it's a video game lmao if you're a grown man you should get your testosterone levels checked at the dr
I didn't have tears, but I may or may not have had a big shit-eating grin on my face this whole video 😅
The funny thing too is that it's not even a PS3 power level device, it's far more powerful than that. It's above PS4 level in terms of CPU performance, hence why emulating the PS3/360 is even possible in the first place. Which makes that prediction from EGM even further off.
@@kyler247 Wow. It's sad you equate tears of joy with weakness, that's such a dinosaur attitude. Personally I think it's sweet it's such a big deal to him and I smiled reading his comment.
It's got nothing to do with testosterone levels anyway, that's not accurate it's ignorant. It's
perfectly possible to be a strong, buff dude who also has a sensitive side...
@@VexAcer That seems accurate based on the fact that PS4 and Xbox One devices including their Pro and X counterparts are running, what is it, AMD Jaguar CPU type architecture? Which is basically laptop grade if I remember rightly 😁
Condemned is a strange recommendation. It's still available on Steam and is Steam Deck playable. I haven't tried it, myself, but perhaps I will.
Condemned 2 is a console exclusive and it's 100% playable with great performance (120 fps is doable) in Xenia. It still doesn't render correctly in RPCS3.
No joypad support in Condemned for PC. Big problem for me.
@@Dreddtube Have you tried the community layouts? The "precise mouse with Xbox-like controls" of Emilio work fine for me.
My deck has become my prime console now, I love my 165hz monitor but something about being able to play mass effect anywhere I want is just absolutely mind blowing to me. I'll have to try out Xbox 360 emulation.
You should try armored core for answer on the 360 emulator
Mass Effect games, except Andromeda, work on Steam Deck natively. There’s no reason to emulate them.
@@DefekacjaOdbyta I was going to say, honestly most any 360 games that are on steam with PC ports should just use them as they're going to run smoother and take less power.
@@DefekacjaOdbyta i don't think they meant they were talking about emulating Mass Effect
@@DefekacjaOdbyta The problem with the PC versions is dealing with EA’s launcher. Things are apparently broken right now because they’re switching over to a new one.
We missed you MVG, your videos are so informative!
Great coverage, thanks for your work, as always. My Steam Deck order FINALLY came up last week, confirmed it and just waiting for it to ship!
This is exactly what I want the Steam Deck for, being an emulation machine primarily.
Very impressive achievement from Xenia team!
Hope to see this on Linux as well! Not touching Windows with a 10ft pole
Yeah kind of defeats the whole point of the Steam Deck.
@@parkerlreed idk about that, i just hate Windows
@@DyoKasparov same!
Lol, same here , I've been using Linux since 2007.
@@AkiraElMittico being into games, I started using Linux for the first time at the start of this year, since the Deck was coming out, and am loving it.
Those emulation focused videos that you're doing for the Steam Deck are extremely appreciated. Thank you
Awesome video. Thanks for the heads up regarding this new build!
Gday MVG! Have a good weekend! Thanks for the video!
Imagine how much better it will be when there's a good version for steamos. My god, it will be spectacular! Do another video on it when the stable version is on steamos.
Let's be real, like every other emulator on pc it will perform worse and have stability issues on steamos
@@skurasch I didn't test on a steam deck, but on my desktop computer Yuzu works way better in linux.
@@pessoaanonima6345 I won't pretend to claim to have tested yuzu on linux on a pc but I've owned a steam deck for several months and used both steamos and windows and I've not found a single emulator that performs better on steamos. There may be emulators I haven't tried but I've def tried most of them from msx to ps3
@@skurasch you're forgetting that Windows itself performs far worse on the steam deck then steamos. Even if the performance on Linux isn't any better on regular computers, it'll be much better on the steam deck.
@@skurasch From what I've seen and my own testing, emulators that have a Linux version perform amazing with OpenGL and Vulkan renders actually. As good or better than on Windows.
It's amazing that you can run Xbox 360 games without any issues on Steam Deck. Thumbs up to developers.
I know right? Portable Red Dead Redemption, finally. Rockstar missed a trick not releasing RDR1 and any GTA for the Switch. They like making easy money by doing lazy re-releases, seems like they missed a trick there 😁
@@bluemonday1621 I guess gta “definitive” edition does not exist
@@MichaelVickers2007 I nicknamed it The Diminutive Edition as its worse than the originals in so many ways, so yeah, they don't exist. Anyway I was thinking more GTA IV or V.
GTA V is running on PS3, PS4 and PS5 so why did they never port the PS3 engine version to the Switch as they make disgusting amounts of money exploiting GTA Online. Man I remember seeing that on GTA V launch day when I got the 360 version as a forthcoming service (it wasn't finished at the time) and thinking "nothing good will come of this".
As nearly a decade later there isn't a GTA VI I suppose that was kinda true...
@@bluemonday1621 it would take 20 minutes for 5 to load on switch
@@MichaelVickers2007 RDR2 takes 3-5 minutes to load on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X but it doesn't make the game unplayable. Anyway, with RDR1 the textures are lower res and they'd probably downsample them to fit within the limited RAM of the Switch (although to be fair PS3 and X360 had less than 1GB RAM each and they handled it whereas the Switch has 4GB). 20 minutes to load is hyperbole on a flash storage based machine. The Witcher 3, for example, only took a few minutes. Saber Interactive did a great job porting that considering the technical limitations of the Switch. DOOM 2016 was a pretty good effort too.
A comparison of the 360-emulated version and the native PC version of "Condemned 1" would be great.
The PC version runs maxed out in 1280x800 (1280x720 + black bars) stable 60 fps and uses only 7.5 - 8.5 watts.
The 360 version seems to run with 40 - 45 fps (can the emulator be set to 40Hz/40fps?) with probably lower settings.
And how long is the battery life while running emulated Xbox360-games?
Thank you so much for the showcase MVG! Super excited for my Steam Deck that's coming in a few days. I was hoping to see how gears of war (gears 2, in particular) performs. Maybe you can include that in a future video
I'll have to check this out. I've kept my 360 for two reasons, Console collection and Forza Motorsport 4. If i can get that working on the deck, i'll be quite happy
Looks like there's some issues with the safe area in some games. Is this configurable in the emulator or is it left up to the game to have safe zone configuration?
Condemned has a native PC version! It's on Steam and works well.
It works nice on Linux with proton
steam is missing sound effects play the original pc version that came out on dvd
@@agamaz5650 or just play it on a Xbox series console, its backwards compatible there and run at 60
@@prodyg if you have the console, yes. But most of us don't :/
If you would have told me I could have a PS3 or Xbox 360 the size of the Steam Deck just a few years go, I'd think you were tripping.
i actually got the windows version of xenia running using lutris. I have only tried Crash Wrath of cortex and Crash of the titans but both run with full performance and controllers work fine out the gate.
Any chance you could walk me through how to do that?
could it be possible that the slight lags are due to windows loading from sd in background?
I’m loving the Steam Deck, so much potential!
Just wait until competing handhelds get ahold of RDNA2 graphics(the SD's biggest advantage) too, then this stuff is really going to take off! Especially with how Steam just drove the price down in this market too(if the other lower volume brands can even get that low and still have a decent margin anyway).
Same here, It's amazing what this handheld can do, it's turned to my primary emulation device with other PC games...
@@RyTrapp0 Yeah a Zen3/RDNA2 SD-like system.
@Rob ...wut...
you're hollering at a child who'd secretly LOVE to have a deck, but can't. so he throws a tantrum. have a ❤
Hi there - did you apply any tweaks or patches to make fable 2 run that well? I noticed a few other videos where they were running canary but performance looked a lot worse
Thank you very much!
Could you give me some advice please. Every time I press the b key on my steam deck, xenia collapses into windowed mode from fullscreen. How could I avoid this?
Awesome video as always!!!
Looks like motion blur isn't working around the car in FH2. Honestly amazing these games are running on a handheld at all.
That background music playing when showing Burnout and Fable reminded me of those Hollywood Poker Pro games for Amiga 😅
🍿, also hope to see you on the Spawncast tonight 👍🏾
If only we could get a native Linux version of xenia would be amazing
We do through emudeck. However it's got a lot of bugs
@@sinetwo emudeck version never seems to work and always crashes
There is native support for Linux but its experimental and incomplete.
Wow I missed this video, thank you for testing it out. Great games.
Condemned is my favorite game from that generation. And the sequel bloodshot, I really liked the paranormal aspect of the second one. Was such a great story as well. I doubt any game will be made like that ever again...hard to believe it's a 17yr old game
It's honestly amazing to see how much power we can have in a handheld these days. 360 games running on a handheld, a handheld that's also booted into Windows instead of native, is honestly fucking awesome
It's absolutely WILD. I have a fairly decent PC and i couldn't run MCLA beyond 10/15 FPS, my CPU just isn't enough (i5 7600k)
@@Ferrari255GTO I'd hate to be that person but... the platform your CPU is on is 7 years old. Assuming your GPU is matching it, your PC was decent for the time, but by today's standards it's quite behind.
Hey, I hit you up on Twitter with this the day it came out. This was a game-changer update, Saints Row went from 15fps average on a 3080 to a fixed 30fps (the frame rate cap). It was absolutely amazing, and I happened to pick it up mere hours after the PR was merged. It was incredible.
Ok so i have a question ive created an iso from a xbox 360 disc (smackdown vs raw) will xenia load the iso file on steamdeck
Couple of qs... Installed latest canary launched rdr1 on my deck under win11 from sdcard and have 2 issues. Sdcard constantly at 100% and fps seems limited to 15fps. Any tip on how to fix these?
i cant find where to download the canary version, im so bad at github, theres a latest and all versions buttons but if i click those it takes me to download the master
Did you test any of the games with the steam deck controller?? what's the emulation like input lag wise, rumble, etc
amazing that hardware has progressed so far, not to mention the emulator software as well. 30fps in RDR1 on a handheld is crazy
double dragon 2 title screen music on the amiga! neat choice!
Always exciting to see emulator getting increased performance update.
Cheers for the vid. yeah i am impressed with these last updates. i had RDR running at 4k FSR and running at 480p upscaling with the hacks although this does not work right now as shadows dont render correctly. now i have RDR running at native rez with fsr to 4K uprez at almost 60fps locked when not in a town/city. This is with a 5800x that can boost to 5.0ghz when im lucky so mostly 4.9ghz when on emulation. I Have been massively impressed with these updates lately as i have also tested with rpc3 and RDR and its much worse running and also looking / rez. Cheers for your vids.
Soon as you said condemned I had flashbacks of my launch day Xenon before RROD was a thing (which I had happen later on) and playing that game because someone at GameStop recommended it. I honestly thought it was great but those mannequins gave me a jump scare the first time!
MVG, you know Condemned is on Steam, right? It's not going to be lost to time when it has a PC port.
Condemned 2 isn't on PC though.
Condemned 1 is backwards compatible on the series x. Sadly the sequel is not.
How did you get the games to emulate? I have been waiting for this so I can play bfme2 which I own. Also if you own the game how can you emulate it as a file for the deck
what setting your using avoid the graphic glitch? on the steam deck
To get MGS2 and 3 to work in Xenia you need to extract its xex-file from the iso using a program called isoextract. That way you can start the individual xex-file for the game you want to play. It might sound like a hassle but it's really easy to do, isoextract does the work for you as long as you have an iso-file.
i have spent 2 hour trying to figure this out ,thank for the tip man
I've been playing around with PS3 emulator on my deck. Last time I checked it out it was far behind what it is now. Absolutely mind boggling how decently it runs on deck hardware!@
Liked your choice of music this episode. Oh man Fable was such a good game. Last year I played peace walker and this year Fallout 3 on my 360. Absolute blast.
Do you need to download windows to use it or can you keep the steamos and such still
Amazing. Did you install Win10 first on steam deck or is Xenia Canary running via proton? Tried on proton but it’s not that good at all. So assuming to go with Win10
Love this. Hopefully this can be made to run natively on the deck at some point!
How we can added this numbers in game onthe corner of monitor like fbs temp and... It's an app?
Just downloaded the latest version and Forza 2 runs at 30 but still has the glitches in the car shadows an wing mirrors?
Doesn't loading windows onto a SD card eventually knacker the card???
I had perfect dark zero at launch loved it and multiplayer is so much fun!
Where can i get a burnout revenge rom? I own the disc and play it on my series x but would love it portable. I cant find it anywhere
Hey, I dont know if you will see this, but if I was interested in building an emulator for lets say playstation 2 for use on a computer, where would I start?
Xenia won't let me play skate 3, it launches the game correctly but i can't get past the intro and get to actual gameplay, instead it just open an error window that says :
Faulting thread name
I am using a Lenovo Legion Go Handheld device with Windows 11 and Emudeck/emulationstation.
have you tried the PS3 versions of the MGS HD collection? RPCS3 is my preferred way to play, and I've only tried 2 and 3, but 2 runs fine and 3 is a little stuttery. I'd still like to see Xenia working for this, as MGS3 relies on the pressure sensitive PS3 buttons with no way to control them otherwise (360 had clicking the left stick instead for a light X press)
Is RDR being played through standard Xenia or Xenia Canary? Thanks.
Nice video! I tried lost odyssey and got these weird graphical artefacts. Have you tried it?
Condemned criminal origins was awesome, I'm not sure if it's still listed on steam but there was a PC version, started to play it on deck and put those extra button mappings to use (more actions that console version)
Hey! Whats the name of the soundtrack at 07:34 ??? Thanks!
Having issues where when i press the B button it gets out of fullscreen mode. Just wondering how to prevent this from happening while playing games?
Same
Does the Steam PC version of condemmed not run on the steamdeck then?
Strange. I recently tried to play Perfect Dark Zero and it crashed for me soon after the beginning of the level.
If my brain is not tricking me, the musical theme in the latter part of the video is Double Dragon 2, Amiga version.
Glad to have MVG back, but i want my gaming room video 🤣😀
Wow, that is an amazing update! On my crappy pc I now have almost 30 fps in RDR instead of 14. Finally able to play.
Great vid! Next time can you test crackdown?
Can't wait for my SD to arrive Q3 this year. Exciting times for a gaming on the go
I am trying to get Gears of War 2 working with xenia canary on Steam Deck in Win10 (it does not work with proton), but I have problem that game always detects two controllers. I think 1st is keyboard and 2nd is xinput, so single player campaign plays in splitscreen ... I even did edit config file and changed HID from all to xinput, but it is still the same. If I kill steam and that way disable steam controller ... it works, but only with keyboard. I did not find the way how to force Gears of War to use only xinput. Any1 can help?
Anyway I got it working ... you need to play from steam with xinput ... it is playable with minor glitches ... sometimes game gets stuck for a moment ... (probably loading something) ... but ok
Do you think the emulator will run on the Odin pro when the android version is complete? Xbox is my fav
i like the music in ur videos do u produce the beats as well
I’d love to see a way to get Xenia on a Series X | S to complete the back compat catalogue for those games that got left behind after the team called it quits on the project.
Have you tried 360p resolution patch ?
on my desktop im on nVidia gpu and i'm having much better experience on the standard release, compared to canary. is that normal?
“Forza textures are fine,” he says whilst the wing mirrors only show up in shadows 🔦
I have always been curious on how well this would run on it.
same here
Have to agree about Condemned, it was a phenomenal experience, and a (good) remake would be a must play for me. Playing through to get the achievement for only using melee weapons, made it a brutal and visceral experience. One of my top gaming memories for sure.
That is something else, didn't expect something like this running this well so soon. Yeah that's the thing vis-a-vis Condemned, every game does not get remastered necessarily, or remastered very well in some cases.
Can you test out the newest xenia build on the Aya neo air? I'm interested to know how well it runs on that device just because of that oled screen. Although I doubt it'll keep up with the deck's performance.
01:50 the new version looks also much sharper O.o
Xenia really is an impressive emulator. I bought an extremely overpowered PC and it's able to handle it pretty well, I was even playing Rock Band 1 on it and it barely even had a stutter. I got through most of the solo tour mode. With these kinds of performance improvements I can't wait until I'm playing 360 games on my phone.
I tried playing gears of war judgment a while back (on windows) and it was unplayabley laggy. Wonder if it would work now?
Played Judgment 2.5 years ago and it was ridiculously smooth. It ran WAY WAY better than Gears 1-2-3, with better visuals and no visual bugs.
It should work perfectly at 720p60, 720p120 or 1440p30, 1440p60 now.
Very impressive what that portable machine does.
i thought there was a steam version of condemned? does it not work on the deck?
Is it possible to switch back to the Steam OS from the Windows OS?
It seems, that not only performance, but also compatibility has changed.
For example, Sonic Unleashed always crashed in the same place in the first level on Xenia-master, but on canary it seems to work well.
Anyone that wants to do this for their Steam Deck, I have a Windows Dual Boot + Controller Tutorial alongside many tests for 360 games on Xenia!
Great video MVG, and really happy to see someone else shining a light on 360 Emulation for the Steam Deck.
Legit, thank you for your videos. My deck arrived the other day and I already have a bootable win10 SD card. The Steam Deck is awesome 😎.
Subd!
This update seems to have broken Depth of Field (DoF) rendering in Red Dead Redemption, along with many other titles such as GTA IV, Tomb Raider Legend, just to name a few.