From what I heard about the Dana / Cyborg situation was Dana did offer Cyborg the Amanda rematch but they offered her shit money for it (probably on purpose to get her to say no) and she turned the money down but still wanted the fight. Big John is right.. Dana likes to tell half truths. Cyborg did turn down the Nunes rematch, but not for the fight itself..but for the shit money offer. It played out exactly how Dana wanted it too.
Thank god he did that. Cyborg had no fan base. No matter how good the fighter is, if you are incapable to promote your own fights and build fanbase you have an option to fuck off to Asia, bye bye
They need cyborg. Look at Nunes she ran out of worthy opponent. And cyborg run through the women division in bellator. Its true dana white is controlling mainstream media.
G you know what happens when you go to prison?You go with the people that have the same skin colour as you, unless you are billy badass and you can maintain on your own, if not you go with the people the same skin colour or not only do you have issues with everyone else but you have problems with them too, I’m sure there are exceptions but 99% of the time that’s what you do, if you get locked up and just lone wolf it and change the way prisons have been since they started locking people up then you are the 1% and should get a Nobel piece prize for it, but if you stay out of prison you won’t have to worry about it and you can hangout with whoever you like and not get stabbed
Tang him and Dana are real life friends. When Zuffa brought the ufc Dana and zuffa explained basically friends and business so what John thinks of Dana in business is different to what he thinks of Dana as a friend. That’s why he works at Bellator not ufc
before the last second fight (thanks to couple of guys who decided to pass) with Conor, Nate was fighting for 20k/20k. Meisha won the title and was fighting for 45k. Rory left parts of himself in that slugfest with Lawler for 59k. These were well established UFC stars. Cerrone isn't the first guy to come to mind when I think of low purses. Besides, there are quite a number of UFC fighters who have to work/teach/bounce to make ends meet and if you're a professional sport and your athletes need a 2nd job to live that makes you a semi-pro league.
Surely the published amounts are "top line" - who pays the training expenses, gyms, foods, corner guys, it's the fighter isn't it? There are now the performance institutes, which are publicised by UFC as a free resource, but in terms of location not may fighters can use them. Given fighters are free agents with all the expenses that entails, (agents negotiating for them, accountants, office and admin facilities, healthcare), the fees (they are not wages) many fighters receive are inadequate and miniscule compared with UFC profit and turnover.
Correct, Diaz made 20/20 + FOTN for fighting Michael Johnson. it's ridiculous. If Nate didn't get on the mic & self promoted he would have never fought Conor.
Dana is dirty. Just watching news about that guy makes me need to take a shower. Grimy promoter with zero integrity. It takes balls to have character in business. It takes a spine to do the right thing, to treat people decently when you have opposing interests... Dana is a slithering, castrated shell of what any man should strive to be. I've always wondered what the sport would look like with a person of integrity calling the shots... Dana White has done great things for the sport, however, I'm not sure any of us know the reality of the damage he's done to MMA. How much has this frickin' snake done to hold the business back and stifle the opportunities of fighters? Not sure we'll ever actually know how much of a negative impact he's had; he's no BMF, he's merely a product of a PR machine...
@John Bauer you’re an idiot and you wouldn’t see the sport if Dana wasn’t in charge it’d still be in the Dark Ages if it wasn’t for the G.O.A.T fight promoter and you’re jus a strangely bitter dork.
Scott Coker is a martial artist himself, been around prizefighting for so long so he understands all about being a prizefighter. so yeah i liked him more.
“It doesn’t make a difference about the UFC. The UFC isn’t going to be there for them anymore. Chuck Liddell found that out” Realist statement I’ve ever heard.
bustdetector I don’t buy that for a second. Dana is worth a fortune and still owns a tiny percentage. If he really wanted to he could have kept Chuck on the payroll.
what baffles me is that there are still so many dana-nuthuggers out there, that when dana tries to slam a fighter publicly, cause dana isn't getting his way, that many fans believe and will parrot and repeat online what he's saying
Dana does not pay washed up fighters like cat , moussasi ,my guy chal list goes on bellator won't be shit until they change that name only thing they realy have is lima best ww in world but no one will know him bc he is in bellator
@EDHOLLA I think Valentina would be 2nd, Ronda right now would be 3rd. The sad thing is I still believe with a good coach she would be so much better. But it's undeniable that Ronda was a huge star. And I don't know if it matters, but she is the prettiest of the three IMO.
@EDHOLLA I honestly wouldn't say Rhonda is top 5 because of her skill set. For instance compare Iceman and Jones. (2 of the most famous and popular LHW ever) If you strip away any loss/controversy of any kind and go off how they perform, its obvious Jon Jones is the better fighter in a general standpoint. Rhonda had some good armbars. She was pretty 1 Trck Pony. (Hey if it works keep doing it lol) Look at her fight with (Pronounced) Betch Co-Hay-Ha, That was her "Most dominant striking performance" That was a teenage girl highschool fight. (She is even throwing her hand way behind her head like somebody little girl who has never trained.) While on the other hand, Gina's only loss is to an in her prime "Cy-Roid" (Personally I wish Gina would have continued fighting so we could see more skill demonstrated.) So as you say "she's a women's mma legend but" I think she is more on the level of good as Royce Gracie. Sure she had 1 trick and played it well, but once you fight somebody more well rounded (Like Hughes vs Gracie) its all over. (I would have really loved to see that Zigano fight if she didn't try bulldozing her and getting caught though.)
@@SLiMmcl Yeah but ronda was never a striker, she literally just wanted to beat bethe at her own game, like yall always bring up Rousey's striking when discussing her skills, MMA is Mixed Martial Arts, shes a decorated judoka with AMAZING grappling skills, for instance, Shevchencko got mounted by Sara Kaufman and had a hard time fighting her, 4 years after ronda squashed her in round 1, went 5 rounds with Carmouche and couldnt even move properly on the ground, Nunes got squashed by Alexis Davis, Sara Da'Lalio and Cat Zingano, all whom ronda finished in a combined time of less then a minute, Ronda is seriously so underrated, I'd say in terms of what she did and how she did it shes better then Nunes, my opinion.. but facts are facts and what Nunes did to Cyborg Rousey and Holm was epic.. but look how she fought GDR and Shevchencko the second time, cowardly and point fighting/lay and praying. Ronda came to FIGHT everytime and was never going to point fight. "one trick pony" is so mofo stupid, nunes overhand is a "one trick pony" doesnt sound right does it? NO! an armbar is a perfectly legal way to win an MMA fight just as much as an overhand or a hook is.. why do you guys always give more credit to strikers? when grappling literally takes more skills and strength. Nobody says Ronda striking beth makes her the greatest of all time.. we talking about her grappling, throws, ground game and also her counter throws.. ive never seen anyone reverse a takedown the way she did against miesha tate 3x in one fight, absolutely amazing.. she just had a really trash boxing coach, poor girl went her whole career knowing nothing about boxing and managed to pull together all her wins using her judo, Nunes needed american top team and some other shit to help her because the Nunes who fought cat zingano is not the nunes today, shes huge and wide and basically a man, shoudlve never been fighting at 135 she looks to big even at 145, shes a weight bully. anyways theres no way Shevchencko is better then rousey overall, Shevchencko is good but shes such a point fighter to the point if you dont lead she will just stand there and wait for you, really boring and weak.. she got mounted by Sara Kaufman, Sara Kaufman! LOLOLOL even Nunes wouldn't let that happen, If Shevchencko won the first fight Vs Nunes she would've beaten Miesha Tate I believe and then I feel Ronda woulve got a first round armbar, crazy how things turn out.. still such a shame ronda never came back, I know for a fact she would shut up all these "her divisions out grown her" bs. shed run through the entire division minus Nunes and 3-4 others, the rest including Juliana Pena shed smoke, these girls grapple like pussies you cant be sloppy like that when your facing Rousey she can pretty much hit armbars from any side, angle or position, not a "one trick pony" a expert in grappling and armbars and I honestly pray she returns even though I know she never will :(
@@wwe2kuploads_84 You are using ABC logic bud. Saying "This person beat them so they are better" Don't mean nothing. (Look at the Ali, Frazier, Foreman situation. Or even in MMA with Liddell, Ortiz, and Couture) Exactly you keep mentioning things in 1 discipline in the category of "Mixed Martial Arts" that is being a 1 trick pony. Royce Gracie had a 90 minute war with Sakuraba. He is a legend in the sport. He is still a 1 trick pony too. (Doesn't matter how much you like somebody that is a fact) So when people are saying "The best MIXED martial artist" I'm going off of somebodies skillset, how they applied it in their career, how did that skillset improve/worsen. (GSP is a good example of somebody who kept evolving and how they applied their skills) I don't care about a fighters record. (lately for some reason fighters and fans have been going "Double digit losses" like that means anything.) Hendo is a legend has held too belts at the same time before McGreggor, And his record is trash compared to people who haven't accomplished anything. Rousey was a 1 trick pony who had a very good trick. However I'm not going to act like she is the Micheal Jordan of Womens MMA when she is terrible in every area that she wasn't raised doing. (GSP became 1 of the best wrestlers in the sport and only started wrestling because he was in the sport.) Did Rousey do some bad ass stuff? Yep. Did she make some accomplishments? Yep. Would I say she is one of the best female MIXED martial artists... no. If you want to talk accomplishments she blows most people in female sports of any kind out the water. But if you want to talk about skillset then I would disagree. Especially when she was running from Cyborg for years. (too be fair she has said multiple times how she looks up to Gina Carano so I have a feeling she said "That steroid crap aint happening to me." Can't blame her. That could be life Changing like Bisping and his eye.)
I freaking think Gina Carano is the most beautiful woman physically and on the inside. She has a good heart, you can tell she is a genuinely good person. I would marry her in a second! On the plus side she's Italian American as am I.
You cannot leave out Rhonda just because she was such a B. She had some horrendous guidance. She was surrounded by a bunch of yes men. If they would have continued to develop Rhonda as a MMArtist instead of all the boxing bs, she would destroyed Holly and Amanda.
This last year I’ve found myself drawn more & more to the “Weighing In” channel. It’s GREAT hearing Big John’s point of views and the other types of info he has to offer!! 👍🏼
@Norman Anderson Yep, I can see it in the thumbnail. Those shoulders are that of a MAN. I'd say that about 75% or better of so called "female" mma fighters are actually biological males.
Norman Anderson OMG, did you just answer with a link to “Soccer”?!🤣😂🤣😂 Ya seem just a little too upset for that to be such a personal experience of yours. Way to deflect👍🏼 Just saying... Thanks for the laugh my friend!!
Dana figured Gina would be a pushover because she's so nice and easy going, but Gina had no problem walking away from it all. She wasn't going to be strong armed.
@@HawgRS Nahhh...how stupid can we be when we think we possess the almighty truth. It went way over my head. Not my proudest moment... there's no denying that! Sorry bro. With class and humor you smartly replied! *I cannot put that on the "lost in translation's " fault .... plain stupidity 😜🤟
Mighty Mouse accepting a trade to One FC was a prime example of the UFC not paying its stars. That's like wanting a trade from the Yankees to the Yomiuri Giants.
Gina has really bad take down defense. That fight would favor Ronda and that is why Dana wanted that fight but not the Cyborg fight for Ronda. Gina has great striking but she doesn't have the wiser and take down defense that Holly Holm does. Gina's very similar to Megan Anderson.
Dana White gave my grandma and family 2nd row seats because he didn't want her walking up to the seats we'd been given. $2000 per seat, 5 seats. Thanks Dana.
Not sure why people don't understand assholes can do nice things for a lot of people. It's really how they treat people behind closed doors or in relationships, not simple random acts of kindness they often use to convince themselves they are good people.
The seats were obviously empty, what you think he chased people out for you lmao You’re just starstruck like the 18 year old girl backstage at the concert😂😂
Lots of valid points being brought up here by The Punk. The mixed martial artists out there grinding away are prize fighters. They fight for money. So they will go wherever they will get the most pay or where they will get the biggest prize with the people they can deal with. Now my theory as to why fighters just say know your worth all the time is because they parrot what Conor has said. They also don’t have as much exposure or popularity as The Punk. Tbh I just wish fighters could unionize and collectively bargain the revenue share and some form of retirement fund.
Mike Tyson said he believes UFC fighters are very underpaid not that alone MMA fighters are very underpaid he believes they should be making the same as boxers and I agree there's far more satisfaction watching the MMA fight you know has a greater chance of being spectacular then a boxing match and there's nothing more authentic than a knockout which sometimes in boxing seems very questionable
The Prolific Network most boxer and their MMA counterparts actually get paid the same. it’s the very top tier fighters get paid different boxers make millions ufc fighters make six figures
I do agree fighters leave because of money or how they are being treated not necessarily because they couldn’t cut it. But the ufc (and Dana) did give them a bigger platform so they can earn more money and have better opportunities. In my opinion I think the ufc does an amazing job at promoting their fighters and giving them a bigger name.
Not no more, jon jones, masvidal, both asking to be released. Henry the triple C retired because of pay. Change may come if all fighters stick togeather.
i have to say i freaking love josh thomson. he's one of the coolest, most reflective, introspective dudes i've listened to. you can tell he thinks much more than he speaks, which so few people do these days, and i respect that.
Cowboy only got 200k to fight Conor, and no PPV points. No way cowboy has another 60 years left. Cowboy is a guy that is bound to die doing something crazy and fun.
So you’re saying Cowboy did the work and then got paid....? Yeah...that’s how it works in most businesses. Cowboy has had some ups and downs so his draw has been up and down. I’m glad that he gets this fight and I’m glad that he gets the payday. But that’s how it works for 99.9% of the world. You put in work and you get it on the backend. Anyone looking for a quick payday will get that and that’s about it.
I Give Dana all the props for making the sport grow. He deserves $ for that, but the TV$ and PPV$ have to provide a significant profit. Thus the 4 billion $ price tag. At some point, the fighters have to get paid something closer to football, baseball or even tennis.
The average NFL career is 3.3 years. Average career for UFC or Bellator is probably less than 2 years. Non of these fighters or players with average career lengths are set for life when they leave their sport. The money made MAYBE gives than a head start financially and they have an interesting life experience.
You can't please everyone in life nor can you like or get along with everyone. In Dana White's case, it does not take a genius to understand some fighters having issues with their business promotor.
Dana is a control freak. And when he can’t control things he makes things hell for those people. The list is very long, even Stitch, the best cutman in the business Dana won’t let him be a cutman for the UFC anymore. Every fighter who ever tried to stick up for themselves he has turned on
It appears to me that Dana can be challenging and difficult to deal with. You have to be very shrewd in the UFC in dealing with your contract. Fighters need to create a union to address fighter pay and health insurance, or the lack there of.
Gina never would have made 135lbs. She had a hard time making 145lbs for the cyborg fight. Unless they were gonna do it at a catch weight or 145lbs. But Ronda wouldn’t fight cyborg at 145lbs. I don’t know how they would have done Gina vs Ronda.
Why? Because this who Dana is among many other things. He knows Gina is popular and have really become popular outside of MMA. He wants to capitalize on that now in the ring. She doesn't seem to want to go back, and doesn't have to. He is upset because he isn't having it his way.
Neither White or Rogan called Cyborg a man while she was signed with the UFC. Cyborg is the one who edited a video of Dana and added false subtitles to make him look bad. Cyborg got knocked out, didn't want the rematch, and started bringing up comments from 4-5 years ago so she had an excuse for why she left the UFC. Here's the thing, Cyborg signed with the UFC after those comments were made; that in and of itself would've informed everyone that those comments are a non-issue, but Cyborg herself already said that they were a non-issue. Not only is what Cyborg did against undersized women unforgivable (abusing steroids), but even worse is she created a situation where I'm defending Dana White of all people. The other fighters leaving for better pay/treatment I completely agree with though, but Cyborg is the exception.
Any conversation about fighter pay that doesn’t include event revenue AND Dana’s pay does the fighter pay argument a disservice. Like @ 11:17 it’s actually disappointing to see him struggle to justify pay by the length of career instead of WHAT % WAS IT OF WHAT THEY GENERATED.
Tony Fergusson the type of guy to iminari roll to get inside Dana’s boxing, then take him down and rely on his superior cardio to decision Dana in 5 rounds.
"You have to live of the money what you made". Reebok sponsorship is the worst, not only the fitghters get paid less but it makes the sport dirty because the fighters can cheat without the risk of lose sponsorship.
@@user-sl1tg3eb9q irrelevant comment with nothing on it. I never said im a ufc fighter, but i can still argue and put my own input and opinions. Your comment is weak, fuck out of here you wanker
Yet Dana claims that he's been paying Liddell not to fight until Golden Boy Promotions hosted that shit show. I find it hard to believe that Liddell would rather tarnish his legacy for a pay check than sit at home and get free money.
listen dana is what people say he is but the main reason shes in bellator is beavuse ufc let her go because of that video she made and lied what dana said
It's sad to see Josh act like this towards the ufc, he blames Dana for him being sorry when he got here. It's funny that all the fighters he said left for more money are also the same fighters that lost every title shot given to them, so yes its expected that they would look for easier fights.
The fighters that leave the UFC for Belator for more money, its because they are worth more in Belator than the UFC. Usually the middle of the pack guys. Sergio Pettis and company.
I understand Josh. Dana White and his ego / personality have caused alot of harm to the UFC and the fighters. And nobody talks about all the negative influence he has.
Cowboy didn't get any PPV money from fighting Conor either. That came outta his mouth. Trust me, Cowboy is well off. His ol lady is a doctor and he is a fighter, dudes got cash for sure!
I would’ve love to see Gina beat the shit out of Crying Rousy but she did the right thing standing up for herself and she really didn’t need the fight. Moreover fighters should be free agents. Not being tied to a contract to a company. Just fight contracts with any organization period.
Thats very dumb. What if Dana offers you $100k a fight. You test free agency and everyone else offers you $50k. YOu think Dana is still gonna have that offer on the table? Unless you are a big name you can bet he's gonna tell you to fuck right off. Now you've lost a grip of money just to "test the waters" UFC doesnt NEED anybody. They do such a great job of building stars if you leave, someone else will take it.
@@JanoyCresva HAHAHHA. You're so stupid to think Dana would ever offer a fighter 100k a fight. Never would happen to a newcomer either way. You had a horrible example
If you don’t think bellator is just hyping there promotion off of UFC legends your mad ! Do you know why Bellator pays more because UFC has made them stars
regular labour workers can graft until they're 70 years old. sure its not easy grinding everyday just to stay afloat but mma careers dont last long and they come out with brain damage most of the time so they should be paid well imo. The pay is better now than it was 15 years ago for sure but its hard to see guys like Chuck still trying to fight at 50 years old because he was getting paid peanuts when he was fighting in his prime.
@@easyskankin8483 chuck liddell made millions and millions fighting and was paid 400k a year by the UFC for years after he retired. He didn't fight because he needed momey
Ha! Gina Carano agreed to be paid $1M for a fight but didn't want the promoter to promote the fight...? Dana was just doing his job. She was making his job hard. He did his job anyway. Guess he thought she would just bend over, but she didn't. End of story.
Did you listen to what the man said, or are you being deliberately ignorant? She agreeeeeed.... To the fight...... She asked for six mooooooonths..... To get her team together befire announcing the fiiiiight..... They BOTH agreed to that.... Dana went back on his piece of shit word. No surprise there. Gina straight shut his punk ass down. End of story.
Donald cerrone didn't care what he was being paid..he loves to fight. He signed his own contract as do all fighters...it's up to u and your manager to get what your worth. So he makes as much as a doctor? So if a fighter blows all his money and doesn't save for when they are done fighting, it's the UFCs fault? Fighters will keep making more and more in the UFC, it's still a growing sport...look how much they make now compared to 15-20 years ago
How do you stream them Josh,? We're in a Canada and I do not have a clue where to begin to look for a stream. Anyone can answer me please 😊😊😊 the ppv's are actually more expensive here than the US. Thank you guys I really appreciate ya!
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From what I heard about the Dana / Cyborg situation was Dana did offer Cyborg the Amanda rematch but they offered her shit money for it (probably on purpose to get her to say no) and she turned the money down but still wanted the fight. Big John is right.. Dana likes to tell half truths. Cyborg did turn down the Nunes rematch, but not for the fight itself..but for the shit money offer. It played out exactly how Dana wanted it too.
Cant blame him there. After Nunes beat her she became the women's GOAT, no need for cyborg after
Thank god he did that. Cyborg had no fan base. No matter how good the fighter is, if you are incapable to promote your own fights and build fanbase you have an option to fuck off to Asia, bye bye
@Exposer of Secret SatanicTranny's lol khabib would smash tony but tony was exposed by homer Simpson and marty tko colby
Amanda vs Cyborg rematch in Brazil would B that of Legend👊🏾
They need cyborg. Look at Nunes she ran out of worthy opponent. And cyborg run through the women division in bellator. Its true dana white is controlling mainstream media.
Dana still salty because she wouldn't sleep with him.
I am salty she doesnt sleep with me, too
I'm salty too
As Don Frye once said... "I would drag my pecker through a mile of broken glass just to stand in the shadow of the last guy who banged her" xD
@@hawk1093 I think she's gay
@@hawk1093 *that would be "SUPERMAN"🤔*
my boy josh just shat on Dana and the ufc and that's a good thing.
Bro did you just like your own comments?
@@thegoldensnitch6312 lol what a goof
@Norman Anderson some women just have masculine features, but damn that's one strrooonngf jawline 😂
Nah josh is salty as fuck.
G you know what happens when you go to prison?You go with the people that have the same skin colour as you, unless you are billy badass and you can maintain on your own, if not you go with the people the same skin colour or not only do you have issues with everyone else but you have problems with them too, I’m sure there are exceptions but 99% of the time that’s what you do, if you get locked up and just lone wolf it and change the way prisons have been since they started locking people up then you are the 1% and should get a Nobel piece prize for it, but if you stay out of prison you won’t have to worry about it and you can hangout with whoever you like and not get stabbed
Wish John McCarthy would just come out and say what he thinks of Dana White.
Tang him and Dana are real life friends. When Zuffa brought the ufc Dana and zuffa explained basically friends and business so what John thinks of Dana in business is different to what he thinks of Dana as a friend. That’s why he works at Bellator not ufc
@@mohammedhussain6749 do you know this for a fact that they're rl friends?
@@dommelow2676 what makes you think they’re not friends?
before the last second fight (thanks to couple of guys who decided to pass) with Conor, Nate was fighting for 20k/20k. Meisha won the title and was fighting for 45k. Rory left parts of himself in that slugfest with Lawler for 59k. These were well established UFC stars.
Cerrone isn't the first guy to come to mind when I think of low purses.
Besides, there are quite a number of UFC fighters who have to work/teach/bounce to make ends meet and if you're a professional sport and your athletes need a 2nd job to live that makes you a semi-pro league.
Surely the published amounts are "top line" - who pays the training expenses, gyms, foods, corner guys, it's the fighter isn't it?
There are now the performance institutes, which are publicised by UFC as a free resource, but in terms of location not may fighters can use them.
Given fighters are free agents with all the expenses that entails, (agents negotiating for them, accountants, office and admin facilities, healthcare), the fees (they are not wages) many fighters receive are inadequate and miniscule compared with UFC profit and turnover.
Correct, Diaz made 20/20 + FOTN for fighting Michael Johnson. it's ridiculous. If Nate didn't get on the mic & self promoted he would have never fought Conor.
Talking to yourself is fine. Arguing with yourself is also fine. However, if you start losing those arguments, you have a problem.
Dana is dirty. Just watching news about that guy makes me need to take a shower. Grimy promoter with zero integrity. It takes balls to have character in business. It takes a spine to do the right thing, to treat people decently when you have opposing interests... Dana is a slithering, castrated shell of what any man should strive to be. I've always wondered what the sport would look like with a person of integrity calling the shots... Dana White has done great things for the sport, however, I'm not sure any of us know the reality of the damage he's done to MMA. How much has this frickin' snake done to hold the business back and stifle the opportunities of fighters? Not sure we'll ever actually know how much of a negative impact he's had; he's no BMF, he's merely a product of a PR machine...
So basically you are saying Dana White is a dick.
Dana White ruins the careers of all of the fighters he touches.
@Norman Anderson You're a fuckhead
John Bauer preach it, bruthuh
@John Bauer you’re an idiot and you wouldn’t see the sport if Dana wasn’t in charge it’d still be in the Dark Ages if it wasn’t for the G.O.A.T fight promoter and you’re jus a strangely bitter dork.
I like Scott Coker way more than Dana White, who agrees???
Dana is better than Coker and all the you pussies combined.
Scott Coker is a martial artist himself, been around prizefighting for so long so he understands all about being a prizefighter. so yeah i liked him more.
@@boxingexpert9065 oh you are a boring little boy. Better at what? Keep looking up to horrid little men. You'll go far in life.
Bellaire is a cheap version of one fc
Living Shadows 1000%
dana is the type that got bullied in school but now has power so he thinks he can bully anybody he wants
And he can
And he can
But he is still a dumb ass
@Christopher McMillan Attention seeker??!!! LOL She's the most quite person on that shitty world 😂😂😂😂
“It doesn’t make a difference about the UFC. The UFC isn’t going to be there for them anymore. Chuck Liddell found that out”
Realist statement I’ve ever heard.
only because ownership changed, otherwise he would have been kept on the payroll to just not fight and party it up.
bustdetector I don’t buy that for a second. Dana is worth a fortune and still owns a tiny percentage. If he really wanted to he could have kept Chuck on the payroll.
@@ES-pr8bt yep. Exactly.
Dana paid chuck to not fight for how many years ? Haha he can’t stop a MAN from doing what he wants even if that’s losing to Tito embarrassingly so
what baffles me is that there are still so many dana-nuthuggers out there, that when dana tries to slam a fighter publicly, cause dana isn't getting his way, that many fans believe and will parrot and repeat online what he's saying
True
@Anderson Silva ????
spinster
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noun
an unmarried woman, typically an older woman beyond the usual age for marriage.
@Anderson Silva Source: Your ass
Kevin Lewis
He’s an excellent promoter.
Of himself.
@Anderson Silva Bruh I never heard anyone in todays age say the word spinster lol
Josh and John just talking facts.
oMFg Wonder muppet/moron
Jordan Van Wyk facts
Notification Bell how in any way shape or form did you come up with that 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Dana does not pay washed up fighters like cat , moussasi ,my guy chal list goes on bellator won't be shit until they change that name only thing they realy have is lima best ww in world but no one will know him bc he is in bellator
They have 50 cent running tournaments c mon
Dana has an addiction for fighters with addictions..Gina has a REAL life beyond UFC and can't be controlled..She's GOOD, Dana's NOT !!!
Gina is awesome. Good for her.
Dana is a creep
This comment. 🔝
Gina > Ronda in every aspect
Haha trolling I hope
@EDHOLLA I think Valentina would be 2nd, Ronda right now would be 3rd. The sad thing is I still believe with a good coach she would be so much better. But it's undeniable that Ronda was a huge star. And I don't know if it matters, but she is the prettiest of the three IMO.
@EDHOLLA I honestly wouldn't say Rhonda is top 5 because of her skill set. For instance compare Iceman and Jones. (2 of the most famous and popular LHW ever) If you strip away any loss/controversy of any kind and go off how they perform, its obvious Jon Jones is the better fighter in a general standpoint. Rhonda had some good armbars. She was pretty 1 Trck Pony. (Hey if it works keep doing it lol) Look at her fight with (Pronounced) Betch Co-Hay-Ha, That was her "Most dominant striking performance" That was a teenage girl highschool fight. (She is even throwing her hand way behind her head like somebody little girl who has never trained.) While on the other hand, Gina's only loss is to an in her prime "Cy-Roid" (Personally I wish Gina would have continued fighting so we could see more skill demonstrated.)
So as you say "she's a women's mma legend but" I think she is more on the level of good as Royce Gracie. Sure she had 1 trick and played it well, but once you fight somebody more well rounded (Like Hughes vs Gracie) its all over.
(I would have really loved to see that Zigano fight if she didn't try bulldozing her and getting caught though.)
@@SLiMmcl Yeah but ronda was never a striker, she literally just wanted to beat bethe at her own game, like yall always bring up Rousey's striking when discussing her skills, MMA is Mixed Martial Arts, shes a decorated judoka with AMAZING grappling skills, for instance, Shevchencko got mounted by Sara Kaufman and had a hard time fighting her, 4 years after ronda squashed her in round 1, went 5 rounds with Carmouche and couldnt even move properly on the ground, Nunes got squashed by Alexis Davis, Sara Da'Lalio and Cat Zingano, all whom ronda finished in a combined time of less then a minute, Ronda is seriously so underrated, I'd say in terms of what she did and how she did it shes better then Nunes, my opinion.. but facts are facts and what Nunes did to Cyborg Rousey and Holm was epic.. but look how she fought GDR and Shevchencko the second time, cowardly and point fighting/lay and praying. Ronda came to FIGHT everytime and was never going to point fight. "one trick pony" is so mofo stupid, nunes overhand is a "one trick pony" doesnt sound right does it? NO! an armbar is a perfectly legal way to win an MMA fight just as much as an overhand or a hook is.. why do you guys always give more credit to strikers? when grappling literally takes more skills and strength. Nobody says Ronda striking beth makes her the greatest of all time.. we talking about her grappling, throws, ground game and also her counter throws.. ive never seen anyone reverse a takedown the way she did against miesha tate 3x in one fight, absolutely amazing.. she just had a really trash boxing coach, poor girl went her whole career knowing nothing about boxing and managed to pull together all her wins using her judo, Nunes needed american top team and some other shit to help her because the Nunes who fought cat zingano is not the nunes today, shes huge and wide and basically a man, shoudlve never been fighting at 135 she looks to big even at 145, shes a weight bully. anyways theres no way Shevchencko is better then rousey overall, Shevchencko is good but shes such a point fighter to the point if you dont lead she will just stand there and wait for you, really boring and weak.. she got mounted by Sara Kaufman, Sara Kaufman! LOLOLOL even Nunes wouldn't let that happen, If Shevchencko won the first fight Vs Nunes she would've beaten Miesha Tate I believe and then I feel Ronda woulve got a first round armbar, crazy how things turn out.. still such a shame ronda never came back, I know for a fact she would shut up all these "her divisions out grown her" bs. shed run through the entire division minus Nunes and 3-4 others, the rest including Juliana Pena shed smoke, these girls grapple like pussies you cant be sloppy like that when your facing Rousey she can pretty much hit armbars from any side, angle or position, not a "one trick pony" a expert in grappling and armbars and I honestly pray she returns even though I know she never will :(
@@wwe2kuploads_84 You are using ABC logic bud. Saying "This person beat them so they are better" Don't mean nothing. (Look at the Ali, Frazier, Foreman situation. Or even in MMA with Liddell, Ortiz, and Couture)
Exactly you keep mentioning things in 1 discipline in the category of "Mixed Martial Arts" that is being a 1 trick pony.
Royce Gracie had a 90 minute war with Sakuraba. He is a legend in the sport. He is still a 1 trick pony too. (Doesn't matter how much you like somebody that is a fact) So when people are saying "The best MIXED martial artist" I'm going off of somebodies skillset, how they applied it in their career, how did that skillset improve/worsen.
(GSP is a good example of somebody who kept evolving and how they applied their skills)
I don't care about a fighters record. (lately for some reason fighters and fans have been going "Double digit losses" like that means anything.) Hendo is a legend has held too belts at the same time before McGreggor, And his record is trash compared to people who haven't accomplished anything.
Rousey was a 1 trick pony who had a very good trick. However I'm not going to act like she is the Micheal Jordan of Womens MMA when she is terrible in every area that she wasn't raised doing. (GSP became 1 of the best wrestlers in the sport and only started wrestling because he was in the sport.)
Did Rousey do some bad ass stuff? Yep. Did she make some accomplishments? Yep. Would I say she is one of the best female MIXED martial artists... no.
If you want to talk accomplishments she blows most people in female sports of any kind out the water. But if you want to talk about skillset then I would disagree.
Especially when she was running from Cyborg for years. (too be fair she has said multiple times how she looks up to Gina Carano so I have a feeling she said "That steroid crap aint happening to me." Can't blame her. That could be life Changing like Bisping and his eye.)
I freaking think Gina Carano is the most beautiful woman physically and on the inside. She has a good heart, you can tell she is a genuinely good person. I would marry her in a second! On the plus side she's Italian American as am I.
You're a faggot meathead. Go chew thru your fellow meatheads hairy ass.
Ariel wasn't bitching tho like you, he was just joking and adressing the topic makig gina laugh
"I dont know why UFC employees are scared to piss off the UFC..." 🤣🤣 Maybe they're scared because they're UFC employees
Saw gina at a strike force fight years ago shes prob the hottest girl ive ever seen.
She is hot but you need to get out
Lmao that is sad
@@15aarondify i like thick brown haired women what can i say lol
She is one of the hottest girls out there. Something about her mannerisms too. Its not just looks with her she's just plain sexy
Gina and Cyborg are the true pioneers. Solid ,real as it gets women!!
Bitch, please
You cannot leave out Rhonda just because she was such a B. She had some horrendous guidance. She was surrounded by a bunch of yes men. If they would have continued to develop Rhonda as a MMArtist instead of all the boxing bs, she would destroyed Holly and Amanda.
Cyborgs a cheat
@@gordiegibson5639 maybe, but he'd still kick your ass
AMANDA NUNES !!
Cyborg jacked up on steroids for years - Gina was not - I really don't care about Cyborg, and it was great seeing her get KO'd by Amanda in 1 round -
@Superior Trading Maybe - not sure about that -But Cyborg was on massive PEDs - Gina fought clean - Not a cyborg fan -
This is why Mighty Mouse got ghost on Dana lol
This last year I’ve found myself drawn more & more to the “Weighing In” channel. It’s GREAT hearing Big John’s point of views and the other types of info he has to offer!!
👍🏼
@Norman Anderson Yep, I can see it in the thumbnail. Those shoulders are that of a MAN. I'd say that about 75% or better of so called "female" mma fighters are actually biological males.
Norman Anderson do ya have a (or multiple) personal experience(s) you’d like to share?
For real im watching this for Big John's insight and not so much josh thompson he seems bitter and bias talking about MMA.
Cylus agree.
Norman Anderson OMG, did you just answer with a link to “Soccer”?!🤣😂🤣😂
Ya seem just a little too upset for that to be such a personal experience of yours.
Way to deflect👍🏼
Just saying...
Thanks for the laugh my friend!!
Dana figured Gina would be a pushover because she's so nice and easy going, but Gina had no problem walking away from it all. She wasn't going to be strong armed.
The only two people to ever knockout George St-Pierre is Matt Serra and Captain America
What are you talking abt?? Defeated 2x (TKO, armbar)
@@pkl1302 gsp got knocked out by Captain America in the 2nd Captain America movie it's just a joke
@@HawgRS Nahhh...how stupid can we be when we think we possess the almighty truth.
It went way over my head. Not my proudest moment... there's no denying that!
Sorry bro. With class and humor you smartly replied!
*I cannot put that on the "lost in translation's " fault .... plain stupidity 😜🤟
Cool just two dudes being reasonable. 👍🏻
He actually lost against serra, Hughes, Hendricks and shield spy Steve.
Mighty Mouse accepting a trade to One FC was a prime example of the UFC not paying its stars. That's like wanting a trade from the Yankees to the Yomiuri Giants.
Gina would have derailed that Rhonda hype train quick imo
Gina has really bad take down defense. That fight would favor Ronda and that is why Dana wanted that fight but not the Cyborg fight for Ronda. Gina has great striking but she doesn't have the wiser and take down defense that Holly Holm does. Gina's very similar to Megan Anderson.
Really wanna see a De La Hoya VS White charity boxing match...
Dana White gave my grandma and family 2nd row seats because he didn't want her walking up to the seats we'd been given. $2000 per seat, 5 seats. Thanks Dana.
Not sure why people don't understand assholes can do nice things for a lot of people. It's really how they treat people behind closed doors or in relationships, not simple random acts of kindness they often use to convince themselves they are good people.
@@Rob-ue6ij so I've been around a human five or more times, you've never met him, but I don't understand, got it.
The seats were obviously empty, what you think he chased people out for you lmao
You’re just starstruck like the 18 year old girl backstage at the concert😂😂
Great show. Your insights from first hand experience is what makes your show awesome.
Lots of valid points being brought up here by The Punk. The mixed martial artists out there grinding away are prize fighters. They fight for money. So they will go wherever they will get the most pay or where they will get the biggest prize with the people they can deal with. Now my theory as to why fighters just say know your worth all the time is because they parrot what Conor has said. They also don’t have as much exposure or popularity as The Punk. Tbh I just wish fighters could unionize and collectively bargain the revenue share and some form of retirement fund.
Your last sentence is waht truly needs to happen
Mike Tyson said he believes UFC fighters are very underpaid not that alone MMA fighters are very underpaid he believes they should be making the same as boxers and I agree there's far more satisfaction watching the MMA fight you know has a greater chance of being spectacular then a boxing match and there's nothing more authentic than a knockout which sometimes in boxing seems very questionable
The Prolific Network most boxer and their MMA counterparts actually get paid the same. it’s the very top tier fighters get paid different boxers make millions ufc fighters make six figures
Gina Carano > Rhonda Rousey.
Big john. It is the BMF ranch. Wtf would BMR stand for!? 😂😂
Bad mother rancher
@@Pinstripedood 😭🤣
Jacob LaBruzzo that’s just stupid why the fuck would you even leave that as a comment. I assume you are a wannabe
@@novajames6871 are you jealous of his funny comment or something?
Brian Heelan yeah sure that’s definitely it 👍🏽
I do agree fighters leave because of money or how they are being treated not necessarily because they couldn’t cut it. But the ufc (and Dana) did give them a bigger platform so they can earn more money and have better opportunities. In my opinion I think the ufc does an amazing job at promoting their fighters and giving them a bigger name.
Not no more, jon jones, masvidal, both asking to be released. Henry the triple C retired because of pay. Change may come if all fighters stick togeather.
Josh really stepped up his game on this! Great job 👍
Great session. Addressed some misconceptions fans were led to believe.
Dana couldn't have control of gina and he didn't like it . she didn't have to be abused for money. I love it!
i have to say i freaking love josh thomson. he's one of the coolest, most reflective, introspective dudes i've listened to. you can tell he thinks much more than he speaks, which so few people do these days, and i respect that.
One like nobody agrees...
@@pocketssmith5933 which proves my comment.
Cowboy only got 200k to fight Conor, and no PPV points. No way cowboy has another 60 years left. Cowboy is a guy that is bound to die doing something crazy and fun.
Can't wait to see Colby smack Dana over his head with the belt.The fighters made Dana.
rodg007 Bond if Colby does do it he goes from hated to loved by ufc fans
@@sampainter4404 Dana will send Colby's ass to One championship.
LOL, when Colby spotted Dana at Vegas his mouth shut up quickly after Dana told him to put the camera down.
So you’re saying Cowboy did the work and then got paid....? Yeah...that’s how it works in most businesses. Cowboy has had some ups and downs so his draw has been up and down. I’m glad that he gets this fight and I’m glad that he gets the payday. But that’s how it works for 99.9% of the world. You put in work and you get it on the backend. Anyone looking for a quick payday will get that and that’s about it.
Do the fighters get royalties when old fights are rebroadcast??
dshreve34 nope
How much do Bellator fighters make? The thing is, I don't hear about fighters in bellator. I don't see advertising for Bellator fights
varies. they can get sponsors. it's up to the fighter to land sponsors.
Dana gave Chuck a job to keep money coming in but UFC got bought out so they let Chuck go.
I think when dana leaves chael sonnen could run the ufc.
Might as well have Shane McMahon run it then.
I want a #bellator vs UFC superbowl.
Yes please.
@@SnEaKeRSkEr israel vs there striker what's his name ???
Bellator roster ain’t there yet
@@greatness8248 lyoto is at middle weight hmm Idk who else could take on Israel.
I Give Dana all the props for making the sport grow. He deserves $ for that, but the TV$ and PPV$ have to provide a significant profit. Thus the 4 billion $ price tag. At some point, the fighters have to get paid something closer to football, baseball or even tennis.
Damn, so that’s why they keep giving BJ penn fights... retaliation for leaving as champ in his prime.
Cowboys grandma is a millionaire shhhhh
The average NFL career is 3.3 years. Average career for UFC or Bellator is probably less than 2 years. Non of these fighters or players with average career lengths are set for life when they leave their sport. The money made MAYBE gives than a head start financially and they have an interesting life experience.
You can't please everyone in life nor can you like or get along with everyone. In Dana White's case, it does not take a genius to understand some fighters having issues with their business promotor.
Dana is a control freak. And when he can’t control things he makes things hell for those people. The list is very long, even Stitch, the best cutman in the business Dana won’t let him be a cutman for the UFC anymore. Every fighter who ever tried to stick up for themselves he has turned on
It appears to me that Dana can be challenging and difficult to deal with. You have to be very shrewd in the UFC in dealing with your contract. Fighters need to create a union to address fighter pay and health insurance, or the lack there of.
So unbelievable to me, how Much one could be so sensitive yet Still have been a great fighter
Gina never would have made 135lbs. She had a hard time making 145lbs for the cyborg fight. Unless they were gonna do it at a catch weight or 145lbs. But Ronda wouldn’t fight cyborg at 145lbs. I don’t know how they would have done Gina vs Ronda.
Why? Because this who Dana is among many other things. He knows Gina is popular and have really become popular outside of MMA. He wants to capitalize on that now in the ring. She doesn't seem to want to go back, and doesn't have to. He is upset because he isn't having it his way.
Cyborg is so humble all the mean things they to her..say it to my face
Neither White or Rogan called Cyborg a man while she was signed with the UFC. Cyborg is the one who edited a video of Dana and added false subtitles to make him look bad. Cyborg got knocked out, didn't want the rematch, and started bringing up comments from 4-5 years ago so she had an excuse for why she left the UFC. Here's the thing, Cyborg signed with the UFC after those comments were made; that in and of itself would've informed everyone that those comments are a non-issue, but Cyborg herself already said that they were a non-issue. Not only is what Cyborg did against undersized women unforgivable (abusing steroids), but even worse is she created a situation where I'm defending Dana White of all people. The other fighters leaving for better pay/treatment I completely agree with though, but Cyborg is the exception.
Any conversation about fighter pay that doesn’t include event revenue AND Dana’s pay does the fighter pay argument a disservice. Like @ 11:17 it’s actually disappointing to see him struggle to justify pay by the length of career instead of WHAT % WAS IT OF WHAT THEY GENERATED.
Stfu
Tony Fergusson the type of guy to iminari roll to get inside Dana’s boxing, then take him down and rely on his superior cardio to decision Dana in 5 rounds.
"You have to live of the money what you made". Reebok sponsorship is the worst, not only the fitghters get paid less but it makes the sport dirty because the fighters can cheat without the risk of lose sponsorship.
160k isnt a lot of money to be putting your health on the line for especially for a fighter as well known and well liked as cowboy.
Josh still so mad that he sucked in UFC. Hates Dana.
Janoy Cresva he beat Nate there, though.
@@mrbeelzebub so? Nothing special beating Nate, he's got double digit losses. Have a good wrestling game and footwork and you beat nate 7-10 times.
@@masudkhoa3861 is that what you did.....? thought not dopey.
@@user-sl1tg3eb9q irrelevant comment with nothing on it. I never said im a ufc fighter, but i can still argue and put my own input and opinions. Your comment is weak, fuck out of here you wanker
This was a year ago... u think Gegard M. regrets leaving UFC now? I have not heard his name in a while now
That's just simply not always true. You used Chuck Liddell as an example, but Dana paid him half a mil a year +, for years after he retired...
Yet Dana claims that he's been paying Liddell not to fight until Golden Boy Promotions hosted that shit show. I find it hard to believe that Liddell would rather tarnish his legacy for a pay check than sit at home and get free money.
listen dana is what people say he is but the main reason shes in bellator is beavuse ufc let her go because of that video she made and lied what dana said
It's sad to see Josh act like this towards the ufc, he blames Dana for him being sorry when he got here. It's funny that all the fighters he said left for more money are also the same fighters that lost every title shot given to them, so yes its expected that they would look for easier fights.
Don't you think UFC fighters have better opportunity to make money post fight career just because they get more publicity during there career
Abuse..what abuse? Did she think she was gonna turn invisible while walking into the octagon?
The fighters that leave the UFC for Belator for more money, its because they are worth more in Belator than the UFC. Usually the middle of the pack guys. Sergio Pettis and company.
do fighters have to pay for their camp (trainers, travel, etc.) out of their fight payout or do they get an allowance for that?
They pay their own people out of pocket. UFC doesn't pay these trainers and camps.
I will never forget when Thompson destroyed Nate with that head kick.. I'm a Nate fan but always been a punk fan as well
Just gives a small window, a mere glimpse into the person who is Dana White.
I understand Josh. Dana White and his ego / personality have caused alot of harm to the UFC and the fighters. And nobody talks about all the negative influence he has.
The best mma show going at the moment
Cowboy didn't get any PPV money from fighting Conor either. That came outta his mouth. Trust me, Cowboy is well off. His ol lady is a doctor and he is a fighter, dudes got cash for sure!
Have you guys followed up on what Donald Cerrone actually made against McGregor, because it seems he didn't get PPV points
Kinda sounds like what Jones is currently dealing with.
Cerrone was paid what he agreed to be paid. If he thought it wasn't enough, he shouldn't have signed the contract. End of story.
It is always that easy.
I would’ve love to see Gina beat the shit out of Crying Rousy but she did the right thing standing up for herself and she really didn’t need the fight. Moreover fighters should be free agents. Not being tied to a contract to a company. Just fight contracts with any organization period.
Real talk
All fighters need to test free agency after every contract!
Thats very dumb. What if Dana offers you $100k a fight. You test free agency and everyone else offers you $50k. YOu think Dana is still gonna have that offer on the table? Unless you are a big name you can bet he's gonna tell you to fuck right off. Now you've lost a grip of money just to "test the waters"
UFC doesnt NEED anybody. They do such a great job of building stars if you leave, someone else will take it.
@@JanoyCresva HAHAHHA. You're so stupid to think Dana would ever offer a fighter 100k a fight. Never would happen to a newcomer either way. You had a horrible example
@@masudkhoa3861 are you ok dude ?
Dana at times is more about making money than treating his fighters like humans.
All the keyboard warriors that never train or fought before should listen to this
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New sub 😊
If you don’t think bellator is just hyping there promotion off of UFC legends your mad ! Do you know why Bellator pays more because UFC has made them stars
Lots of regular labor workers work 4 years just to make 100k, and that's before taxes.
regular labour workers can graft until they're 70 years old. sure its not easy grinding everyday just to stay afloat but mma careers dont last long and they come out with brain damage most of the time so they should be paid well imo. The pay is better now than it was 15 years ago for sure but its hard to see guys like Chuck still trying to fight at 50 years old because he was getting paid peanuts when he was fighting in his prime.
@@easyskankin8483 chuck liddell made millions and millions fighting and was paid 400k a year by the UFC for years after he retired. He didn't fight because he needed momey
@@dominickschrute3084 So, which is it? He was paid peanuts or prime rib?
@@jeffalbillar7625 paid that New York strip money. Prime rib money. Not quite caviar money but he did well
@@dominickschrute3084 Prime Rib isn't just doing ok, bro. So, he snorted his shit away. Jk
Ha! Gina Carano agreed to be paid $1M for a fight but didn't want the promoter to promote the fight...?
Dana was just doing his job. She was making his job hard. He did his job anyway. Guess he thought she would just bend over, but she didn't. End of story.
Did you listen to what the man said, or are you being deliberately ignorant? She agreeeeeed.... To the fight......
She asked for six mooooooonths..... To get her team together befire announcing the fiiiiight.....
They BOTH agreed to that....
Dana went back on his piece of shit word. No surprise there. Gina straight shut his punk ass down. End of story.
Dynamic duo 👊
Donald cerrone didn't care what he was being paid..he loves to fight. He signed his own contract as do all fighters...it's up to u and your manager to get what your worth. So he makes as much as a doctor? So if a fighter blows all his money and doesn't save for when they are done fighting, it's the UFCs fault? Fighters will keep making more and more in the UFC, it's still a growing sport...look how much they make now compared to 15-20 years ago
How do you stream them Josh,? We're in a Canada and I do not have a clue where to begin to look for a stream. Anyone can answer me please 😊😊😊 the ppv's are actually more expensive here than the US. Thank you guys I really appreciate ya!
One championship is better than UFC or Bellator.
How do you bootleg a UFC paper view? 😯
even if cowboy gets that he got to pay trainers manager ect
I think Mayweather might be a partner in UFC Boxing. Might be in an octagon or a ring.
Aerial shaming Gina at the intro to that interview was sooooooo cringy!
Gina just gave him the INFJ door slam. Trust me, she wouldn't talk to him ever.
Does Big John want to keep refereeing for the UFC? Might not be a good idea to talk about Dana like that, if he wants to continue reffing UFC fights.
I don't think he needs to ref. Someone like him with his years of experience and his name could ref anywhere but he's doing something better.
@Exec Utize .... 💯%.