@@sky57975and this means what exactly? That you want to change scripture to fit a particular moment in time? So in 500 years we can make robots deacons then? Women have NEVER being priests, deacons, there is NO mention of that in the Bible (to the contrary, literally)and there will never be. Both women and men have equally important roles in the Church and not one is more important that the other. If you don’t like it, join another church, it’s pretty simple.
@@sky57975And this means what exactly? That scripture and Holy Tradition should be altered to fit the times? So, should we make robots deacons in 100 years, then? Women have never been priests or deacons since the establishment of the Church 2,000 years ago and there is absolutely nothing pointing to women having to have that role in the New Testament and in the Holy Traditions set my the Lord, his Apostles and their disciples. On the contrary, it is quite clear the position of an ordained priest is for men. Both men and women have equally important roles in the Church and in Christian life that complement each other, and one is not more important than the other. The arrogance of wanting to change a religion to fit one’s personal beliefs, emotions or ideologies is ludicrous. If people don’t like it, then they can form another religion (there are over 30,000 protestant denominations…they can create another one) and not join the Catholic Church. Scripture cannot be changed. If people are so concerned about the rights of women in religion there is a pretty big one out there that is pretty repressive toward women, they can start by speaking out against them…if they are brave and not hypocritical enough ha.
The best news that has come out to date. May this issue never ever resurrect. Let’s preach & live the way of the Gospel. Thank you Our Lady, thank you St Joseph, glory to you Lord Jesus for answered prayer. St Micheal the Archangel, all angels & saints for your unceasing prayers for Mother Church, we cannot do without your prayers🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Alleluia!!!!!
I am a woman and praise God for this good news . Church should be the way Jesus started and left with the disciples not changing just bcos the world is changing … But woman can still play an important role like other women saints and our Lady 💕
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@finley-c116ny Bruh❗️🕊️“Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.” Proverbs 30:5 The scripture i quote is the word of God written down by men yes but inspired by the Holy Spirit who is God. So did God make a mistake with Phoebe or did we make a mistake not following the example he gave⁉️
Holy Spirit do not call people to vocations or tasks that are contrary to bible and church magisterium, since it is not a spirit of confusion. Still women are great speakers and evangelists and they do not need holy orders to do that. Unfortunately some people (man and women) seek attention in the church.
my thought exactly, it's already been infallibly defined that women cannot receive Holy Orders. the Holy Spirit is not a part of anything that would seek against this truth. normal women know this.
But he never called any of his disciples to “priesthood”. He called for them to spread the gospel so that’s a horrible argument. Were there not women amongst Jesus’s 12 disciples? He called for women to follow him AND teach, why restrict them now?
@@KanyeWestLyricalGenius Where in the Gospels do you read that women are teaching and preaching the Gospels. Where in scripture do you read that Christ laid hands on women as He did His Apostles to receive the grace of the Holy Spirit and to forgive and retain the sins of others?
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
Truth does not change. Jesus Christ is the Head of His only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and those who followed their own will to change the right direction of Jesus to their own wicked way should vacate the Vatican. Go on your way but do not occupy the properties of the Catholic Church. It is so clear that their synodal way on women's ordination, blessings of same-sex couple, etc... are not of the Catholic Faith, but their protestant way on their One World Church that is not of Jesus Christ. They wanted to introduce their own wicked way to destroy the Catholic Faith.
As a younger man I often felt a call to pursue attractive women for sinful reasons. But I suspected then and now the call wasn't from the Holy Spirit. But I appreciate how some might not have the ability to distinguish.
As a woman, I find it nonsensical to force deaconate (of a holy order) or priesthood for women, so, good for those who voted against it. I can't think of a greater service and apostolate for women, than becoming a mother, a wife, and leading their small domestic Churches (family) along with their husbands.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@glennlanham6309 You didn't get it. By not allowing women they literally defended feminity and women in general. Only traditional values actually protect woman.
Has nothing to do with protecting femininity. They can't do what they have no authority to do. Can't give you what they don't have. The Church didn't tell God to send His only Son instead of His only daughter. God did. And they have no authority to contradict God's choice, especially when it come to someone acting in persona Christi as a priest. The deacon also ordained is a natural extension.
That's because the Pope and his fellow Jesuits want it. Don't be shocked when they make a U-turn on the issue in the coming months, just as they've done before! The fact they're studying it means they want it
There were great holy women saints. They didn’t ask to be ordained but still did their part. There are different parts of a body. We cannot all be hands or feet. Each part is different and its function but essential. We cannot all be ordained.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@Antonio.R.O.C. the vatican has already said about this issue that women can't ordained to the deacons, According to Canon Law and Church Tradition, ordination to the diaconate, priesthood, and episcopate is reserved for men. The diaconate is part of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, which the Church currently teaches is open only to men. Pope John Paul II, in his 1994 apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, stated that the Church has no authority to ordain women to the priesthood, though it does not explicitly address the diaconate.
@@Antonio.R.O.C. There is one Ordination found in the Bishop, which he shares with priests and deacons. A woman cannot be ordained. There were women who were deaconess' that weren't ordained but these women today want an ordained ministry and if they got it, they wouldn't stop there, they want to be priests and bishops.
@@Antonio.R.O.C. Why do you keep bringing up this passage in almost every comment section? Someone has already addressed this and you keep spouting the same nonsense.
This is gonna sound sexist and controversial but I believe it is the truth. Look at the traditional family. When a father is a faithful catholic the children have a much higher chance of being faithful catholics, even if the mother is not a faithful catholic. If the father does not support faith and is lapsed or atheist then the children have a lower chance of being faithful catholics even if the mother is a faithful catholic. Now these are trends so it's not every case (st monica through prayer made her son an outlier). But there's a real need for male leadership. This is likely because boys need a role model and most of the time boys look to a male role model. Now girls don't need a male role model, but as is usually the case, women/girls are often better at listening to men/boys than vice versa. In today's culture we don't want to look at the difference between men and women. There are always outliers, but most of the time women are better listeners and better nurturers. A mother, aunt, sister or any role a woman has often imperfectly reflects God's unfailing unconditional love and care. While a father, brother, uncle etc often imperfectly reflects God's justice and fraternal correction. I myself am a more caring nurturing man and have had to learn to lovingly discipline and uphold justice in my home.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
"There is still no room for a positive decision of the magisterium regarding the access of diaconate" is not a statement which shuts down further theological study on the subject. The word "still" itself denotes a continuation of study. Removing that one word would have shut it down.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
This is absolutely wrong. If women want to be a diacon they should go to another church that can give them the opportunity. We should not been talking about us in Church, we should be focused in learning and praying to God, if Jesus didn't ask women to be involved He had his reasons. Let's pray and fast for reparation.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
It's about time the church under Francis makes a right choice woman should not be deacons and I say this as a woman! Amen! Enough has changed in the church!
If it is a closed matter, than "study group #5" and all other groups including secret groups should be shut down or instructed to eliminate the subject, but they are not. They are allowed to continue to smolder and plot. Pray Our Lady's Rosary daily for the return to the pre-1955, Traditional Latin Catholic church, and the conversion of the Jews. Ave Maria🙏
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
The highest calling for religious women, as I understand it, is to become a cloistered nun. So women have the best option for them. I can only imagine if they're wanting to become priest's it's because they're in it for prestige and self not for Christ. Pax. Steven.
Who says the "highest calling for religious women" is to become a cloistered nun"? I wasn't aware that it was a competition? Who could active sisters have a lesser calling? Why insult the work of these religious? To say nothing of the many inspiring, dedicated lay women? Their callings and roles are complementary.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
Being Deacons or Priests for Women in Roman Catholic Church is not coming from the Holy Spirit but it comes from the evil. If this being accepted, it means men also will be accepted to marry women as it is one in other protestant Churches like Anglican, Orthodox etc.
Remember this has to avoided because it conflicts with the priesthood, if women become deacons then there is a very high possibility that some of them might ask for an admittance into the priesthood which is unacceptable and a violation of Christ's divine priestly office. Ordination is out of the question and Holy Orders is strictly applied to men only and this is God's law, so who are we to question God's authority? Isn't being a catechist enough? To ask for more beyond one's talent and capacity is pride. There are lot of other more significant issues plaguing Catholic women other than focusing on female deacons. So why focus on the latter when the former matters the most?
Why not Women Deacons? The two commissions appointed by Pope Francis on the issue found evidence that women deacons existed in the Apostolic times and early centuries.
So much for all of that hand-wringing from the Catholic Fundies who were saying that Papa Francesco & the Synod were going to ordain women deacons. Another swing and a miss for their prognostication skills.
Sensing a call needs to be qualified in the discernment process. Then again if there is no path forward, why even bother. It's too bad that this has become an issue of "rights" and not a matter of "service." We must embrace our natural vocation. Just as we need men in the trenches, we need mothers that nurture and raise strong men and women.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
My 2 cents is this dialogue. Christ instituted priesthood. The apostoles instituted the diaconate. One is divine made. The other is man made. When was the diaconate made as holy orders? Because this is the point of issue why women are not to be deacons.
yeah, I’m not going to believe it until it doesn’t happen. why am I saying this ? because of the document that was released last year on December 18, the traditional feast called “the anticipation of the Virgin Mary”. A document which dissident jesuit priest James Martin seems to think gives him permission to bless openly gay men.
There should be no competition between men and women. We have our special roles as God's creation. Women must not be priests. Lets remember the role of Mary our mother.
There are many opportunities for women to serve the church. Jesus did not call women to the priesthood he called men. Women were always by his side and served a great role. Mother Mary was never a priest but still has a central role in our faith. Mary Magdalene was not an apostle yet she announced Jesus’ resurrection to the apostles. She did not have to be an apostle to do that. God has always chosen women to do drear things in the church and some are doctors of the church. Women please beware lest the Lord strike us down. As it is the catholic all over the world church is filled with women who run so many ministries within it. Our role is pivotal in the running of the church but please stay in your lane. We are many parts yet one body let’s not jump in to roles where the Lord has not called us.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
Why do you ever consider women at all to be ordained as deacons. Women, dont you have too much already on your hands?. Stop protestantizing the holy catholic church. Might as well become protestants if you want to become deacons. Why are women participating in this synod? It has always been just a guy thing. Stop confusing the faithful.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@Antonio.R.O.C. thank you for your comment Antonio. In my simple understanding of my catholic faith, i understand that there has been many great women in the faith including our Lord's own mother Mary. They all never asked for any form of elevation in their roles in the church including being ordained as a deaconess. The push for this elevation could be diabolical in a sense. Thats my humble conviction
You don't need to be have have a position in church to go to Heaven. Learn from the saints. How easy is it to go to Heaven without the chances of others doing so should be the primary focus of the Synod of solarity. Don't carry politics in secular world into the church to repeat what Martin Luther and co did in 1514.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2 🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
It is more plausible to have women cardinals (advisors to the pope) than women deacons (which implies holy orders and thus a sharing in Christ's priesthood). Cardinals are not always bishops or even priests, a few lay theologians have been named cardinals. Women cannot "sense a call" to the priesthood, because that call comes through the Church. Whatever desires they may have/feel need to be discerned as to how that may be translated into service.
Why do people keep pushing for Holy Orders for women? The answer is NO.
because we live in the 21th century
Because they haven't surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ.
@@sky57975and this means what exactly? That you want to change scripture to fit a particular moment in time? So in 500 years we can make robots deacons then? Women have NEVER being priests, deacons, there is NO mention of that in the Bible (to the contrary, literally)and there will never be. Both women and men have equally important roles in the Church and not one is more important that the other. If you don’t like it, join another church, it’s pretty simple.
@@sky57975And this means what exactly? That scripture and Holy Tradition should be altered to fit the times? So, should we make robots deacons in 100 years, then? Women have never been priests or deacons since the establishment of the Church 2,000 years ago and there is absolutely nothing pointing to women having to have that role in the New Testament and in the Holy Traditions set my the Lord, his Apostles and their disciples. On the contrary, it is quite clear the position of an ordained priest is for men. Both men and women have equally important roles in the Church and in Christian life that complement each other, and one is not more important than the other. The arrogance of wanting to change a religion to fit one’s personal beliefs, emotions or ideologies is ludicrous. If people don’t like it, then they can form another religion (there are over 30,000 protestant denominations…they can create another one) and not join the Catholic Church. Scripture cannot be changed. If people are so concerned about the rights of women in religion there is a pretty big one out there that is pretty repressive toward women, they can start by speaking out against them…if they are brave and not hypocritical enough ha.
Bro you must remember women don’t know what they want , they can’t even decide what they want to eat
If you want women deacons, there are plenty of other churches to choose from.
Best comment. It's true. ❤
They can also found their own!!
The best news that has come out to date. May this issue never ever resurrect. Let’s preach & live the way of the Gospel. Thank you Our Lady, thank you St Joseph, glory to you Lord Jesus for answered prayer. St Micheal the Archangel, all angels & saints for your unceasing prayers for Mother Church, we cannot do without your prayers🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Alleluia!!!!!
Goooood 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 as a 29yr old carholic woman actively involved in church, i believe this is great 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 awesome
thank you for not being a feminist❤
❤ Praise be Jesus Christ, We have big place in Our Mother Church Heart ❤no Holy Orders.
I am a woman and praise God for this good news . Church should be the way Jesus started and left with the disciples not changing just bcos the world is changing …
But woman can still play an important role like other women saints and our Lady 💕
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@finley-c116ny Bruh❗️🕊️“Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.” Proverbs 30:5
The scripture i quote is the word of God written down by men yes but inspired by the Holy Spirit who is God.
So did God make a mistake with Phoebe or did we make a mistake not following the example he gave⁉️
Which spirit is calling women to be deacons?!
Certainly not the Holy Ghost.
Many would say Jezabel.
Holy Spirit do not call people to vocations or tasks that are contrary to bible and church magisterium, since it is not a spirit of confusion. Still women are great speakers and evangelists and they do not need holy orders to do that. Unfortunately some people (man and women) seek attention in the church.
my thought exactly, it's already been infallibly defined that women cannot receive Holy Orders. the Holy Spirit is not a part of anything that would seek against this truth. normal women know this.
the same one that called Phoebe and those deaconesses of the early church. The Holy Spirit.
Jesus did not call His Blessed Mother, the Immaculate Conception..to the priesthood.
Nuff Said!
Exactly 💯
Right
Truth
But he never called any of his disciples to “priesthood”. He called for them to spread the gospel so that’s a horrible argument. Were there not women amongst Jesus’s 12 disciples? He called for women to follow him AND teach, why restrict them now?
@@KanyeWestLyricalGenius Where in the Gospels do you read that women are teaching and preaching the Gospels. Where in scripture do you read that Christ laid hands on women as He did His Apostles to receive the grace of the Holy Spirit and to forgive and retain the sins of others?
Hallelujah! As a Woman🙏✝️❤️🙌
Good. I’m glad… as a woman, I have no problem with women not being Deacons. 👏🏻
Did you listen to the video?
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@Antonio.R.O.C.So you are the authority now? And all of church is stupid for last centuries.
Truth does not change. Jesus Christ is the Head of His only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and those who followed their own will to change the right direction of Jesus to their own wicked way should vacate the Vatican. Go on your way but do not occupy the properties of the Catholic Church. It is so clear that their synodal way on women's ordination, blessings of same-sex couple, etc... are not of the Catholic Faith, but their protestant way on their One World Church that is not of Jesus Christ. They wanted to introduce their own wicked way to destroy the Catholic Faith.
As a younger man I often felt a call to pursue attractive women for sinful reasons. But I suspected then and now the call wasn't from the Holy Spirit. But I appreciate how some might not have the ability to distinguish.
As a woman, I find it nonsensical to force deaconate (of a holy order) or priesthood for women, so, good for those who voted against it.
I can't think of a greater service and apostolate for women, than becoming a mother, a wife, and leading their small domestic Churches (family) along with their husbands.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
Thank you Lord 🙏🏽🤲🏽🛐 The priest and Decons’ are in persona Christi and have to be men. They represent Jesus the Christ!!! The True High Priest!!
Phewww thank God the church is safe.
Amd iam still safe as a catholic.
What a blessing that the church continues to value and protect femininity.
literally has nothing to do with it, this isn't a popularity contest or communist equity game
@@glennlanham6309 You didn't get it. By not allowing women they literally defended feminity and women in general. Only traditional values actually protect woman.
Has nothing to do with protecting femininity. They can't do what they have no authority to do. Can't give you what they don't have. The Church didn't tell God to send His only Son instead of His only daughter. God did. And they have no authority to contradict God's choice, especially when it come to someone acting in persona Christi as a priest. The deacon also ordained is a natural extension.
Thank you ❤️🙏
The woman who wants to be a deacon doesn't want to be a Saint
We already knew this. Truth doesn't change. Jesus is Truth.
When are they going to stop flogging a dead horse ?
Well, a Pope did dig up the corpse of a Pope and put him on trial.
@@JewelBlueIbanez, Only to get him out of consecrated ground. It was a legal thing.
When the hippy-generation shuffles off this mortal coil, I’m afraid. 🙏
@@JewelBlueIbanez Red Herring
That's because the Pope and his fellow Jesuits want it. Don't be shocked when they make a U-turn on the issue in the coming months, just as they've done before! The fact they're studying it means they want it
There were great holy women saints. They didn’t ask to be ordained but still did their part. There are different parts of a body. We cannot all be hands or feet. Each part is different and its function but essential. We cannot all be ordained.
this synod is a waste of time and money
We need to move on. No women in holy orders, that's it, that's all. There are far more important issues that need to be addressed.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@Antonio.R.O.C. the vatican has already said about this issue that women can't ordained to the deacons, According to Canon Law and Church Tradition, ordination to the diaconate, priesthood, and episcopate is reserved for men. The diaconate is part of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, which the Church currently teaches is open only to men.
Pope John Paul II, in his 1994 apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, stated that the Church has no authority to ordain women to the priesthood, though it does not explicitly address the diaconate.
@@Antonio.R.O.C. But since, the Church has decreed that women can't be deacons. It is what it is. And it won't change.
@@Antonio.R.O.C. There is one Ordination found in the Bishop, which he shares with priests and deacons. A woman cannot be ordained. There were women who were deaconess' that weren't ordained but these women today want an ordained ministry and if they got it, they wouldn't stop there, they want to be priests and bishops.
@@Antonio.R.O.C. Why do you keep bringing up this passage in almost every comment section? Someone has already addressed this and you keep spouting the same nonsense.
This is gonna sound sexist and controversial but I believe it is the truth. Look at the traditional family. When a father is a faithful catholic the children have a much higher chance of being faithful catholics, even if the mother is not a faithful catholic. If the father does not support faith and is lapsed or atheist then the children have a lower chance of being faithful catholics even if the mother is a faithful catholic. Now these are trends so it's not every case (st monica through prayer made her son an outlier). But there's a real need for male leadership. This is likely because boys need a role model and most of the time boys look to a male role model. Now girls don't need a male role model, but as is usually the case, women/girls are often better at listening to men/boys than vice versa. In today's culture we don't want to look at the difference between men and women. There are always outliers, but most of the time women are better listeners and better nurturers. A mother, aunt, sister or any role a woman has often imperfectly reflects God's unfailing unconditional love and care. While a father, brother, uncle etc often imperfectly reflects God's justice and fraternal correction. I myself am a more caring nurturing man and have had to learn to lovingly discipline and uphold justice in my home.
You are right on the money! Good man!
Amazingly awesome no women Deacons.❤❤❤❤❤love it
The Blessed Virgin Mary is not even a deacon nor a priest.. all women must follow the example of Mary
Amen! This was nothing more than a ploy to change JPII's teaching that women cannot be ordained priests.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
This shouldn’t even be a discussion. Christ was not just a “person” but a Man!
St. Paul the Apostle had wrote that women shouldn’t preach in the church.
Seems that even some protestant churches don’t read that part of the Bible
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan True, sadly it is what it is. It’s sad though.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
How can such openly ignorant people be placed into positions of theological responsibility. They know in their hearts that the circus will end soon.
"There is still no room for a positive decision of the magisterium regarding the access of diaconate" is not a statement which shuts down further theological study on the subject. The word "still" itself denotes a continuation of study. Removing that one word would have shut it down.
They're very clever
Mary Magdalene was closer to Jesus than any of the 12 apostles. Jesus was radical for the way he treated women as equals.
Not sure about which spirit is calling women to be priests… certainly not the Holy Spirit.
Amen to that
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
This is absolutely wrong. If women want to be a diacon they should go to another church that can give them the opportunity. We should not been talking about us in Church, we should be focused in learning and praying to God, if Jesus didn't ask women to be involved He had his reasons. Let's pray and fast for reparation.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
No body to waterdown the Holy Teachings of the Church, follow tradition
No ordained women period. Rare Catholic W
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day
Glory to God!! ❤❤🙏🙏
It's about time the church under Francis makes a right choice woman should not be deacons and I say this as a woman! Amen! Enough has changed in the church!
The Mother of God is a Holy woman ,she did not have to be among the 12 Apostles. Women have alot of callings to the church .
What a shame!
the pope said NO😊
If it is a closed matter, than "study group #5" and all other groups including secret groups should be shut down or instructed to eliminate the subject, but they are not. They are allowed to continue to smolder and plot. Pray Our Lady's Rosary daily for the return to the pre-1955, Traditional Latin Catholic church, and the conversion of the Jews. Ave Maria🙏
Amen
The spirit is calling women to the deaconate like it called them out of the garden, to feminism and delulu land
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🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@Antonio.R.O.C.women NEVER HAD holy orders
Thank the Lord
❤ Indeed Gate of Hades shall not prevail against the Church.
How long O Lord must we endure these fools?
At least women Religious should be included in decision making process in the Church since women have played a major role in Jesus'mission.
The highest calling for religious women, as I understand it, is to become a cloistered nun. So women have the best option for them. I can only imagine if they're wanting to become priest's it's because they're in it for prestige and self not for Christ. Pax. Steven.
Who says the "highest calling for religious women" is to become a cloistered nun"? I wasn't aware that it was a competition? Who could active sisters have a lesser calling? Why insult the work of these religious? To say nothing of the many inspiring, dedicated lay women? Their callings and roles are complementary.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
No council, no synod , no ecclesiastical authority has the power to invent neither a female deacon nor a female priesthood.‼️
My boy Francis protecting the doctrines of Christʼs church 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I get your happy brother, same here, but a little more respect for our Pope.
Why do they bring up issues that have already been settled by the Church?
Yea! Probably the only sensible disison.
Those bringing up this issue should be sanctioned because they are questioning the authority of Christ.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
BUT BUT... TIMOTHY GORDON SAID FEMALE DEACONS CONFIRMED! 😭💀
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Exactly!!!
The Catholic Fundy’s prognostication skills are nonexistent.
Sedes lol
Why push this?
So they can be priests and bishops
Women need to follow the example of MARY, the mother of Jesus, Fulfilling their role with feminine strength and holiness.
We already ruled this out earlier in his papacy.
STOP misinterpreting the teachings of Christ. Women cannot be priests full stop
Awesome news!!! 49 years a Catholic 🙏
They can teach theology, catechism, serve mass, lead spritual exercises, serve as eucharistic ministers, etc.
And be great wives and mothers too!
@@derek4412 that is by far the most important!
synod should make it mandatory for priests to wear cassock at all times. Except for bath and sleep. Those were the times the church grew extensively
Great 🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦
Schism avoided 😅
When Enoch and Elias return then we will truly be set straight on all these made up rules limiting who and who is not "worthy" of God's Grace.
i waited for some time to hear good news. finally!
Being Deacons or Priests for Women in Roman Catholic Church is not coming from the Holy Spirit but it comes from the evil. If this being accepted, it means men also will be accepted to marry women as it is one in other protestant Churches like Anglican, Orthodox etc.
Listen the voice of the Holy Spirit, don't follow the human spirit or the evil spirit
Remember this has to avoided because it conflicts with the priesthood, if women become deacons then there is a very high possibility that some of them might ask for an admittance into the priesthood which is unacceptable and a violation of Christ's divine priestly office. Ordination is out of the question and Holy Orders is strictly applied to men only and this is God's law, so who are we to question God's authority? Isn't being a catechist enough? To ask for more beyond one's talent and capacity is pride. There are lot of other more significant issues plaguing Catholic women other than focusing on female deacons. So why focus on the latter when the former matters the most?
Why not Women Deacons? The two commissions appointed by Pope Francis on the issue found evidence that women deacons existed in the Apostolic times and early centuries.
Lord Jesus never allowed the woman to priest hood,because there's only one Holy High Priest, the true living and loving LORD JESUS CHRIST
Good decision.
Did they also rule out four sides triangles or married bachelors ?
Smootchy Fernandez creeps me out
Synod= How liberal/far from tradition can we push?
Women are not called to the priesthood. They're called to be mothers. Or to live a life of service and prayer in a cloister. There is no in-between.
So much for all of that hand-wringing from the Catholic Fundies who were saying that Papa Francesco & the Synod were going to ordain women deacons.
Another swing and a miss for their prognostication skills.
St.Pheobe, St.Nina, St. Olympias would like to have a word with you.
Sensing a call needs to be qualified in the discernment process. Then again if there is no path forward, why even bother. It's too bad that this has become an issue of "rights" and not a matter of "service." We must embrace our natural vocation. Just as we need men in the trenches, we need mothers that nurture and raise strong men and women.
They speak of “rights” because to “Catholics” like Sr. Mary the Church is a political organization. Not the Church founded by Christ 2,000 years ago.
Yes. so it should
Amazing. Some freemaison's plans are getting defeated by One Holy Catholic persons in Holy Apostolic Church.
When the last supper, Jesus only with his disciples. Women are working to prepare food. So deacons are for men only.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
My 2 cents is this dialogue. Christ instituted priesthood. The apostoles instituted the diaconate. One is divine made. The other is man made. When was the diaconate made as holy orders? Because this is the point of issue why women are not to be deacons.
Remember the saintly Pope's teachings.
This is slowly making women priest.
yeah, I’m not going to believe it until it doesn’t happen. why am I saying this ? because of the document that was released last year on December 18, the traditional feast called “the anticipation of the Virgin Mary”. A document which dissident jesuit priest James Martin seems to think gives him permission to bless openly gay men.
Is it a single woman in this world like B.V.Virgin Mary.
no
Wasting time womendeacon never
There should be no competition between men and women. We have our special roles as God's creation. Women must not be priests. Lets remember the role of Mary our mother.
There are many opportunities for women to serve the church. Jesus did not call women to the priesthood he called men. Women were always by his side and served a great role. Mother Mary was never a priest but still has a central role in our faith. Mary Magdalene was not an apostle yet she announced Jesus’ resurrection to the apostles. She did not have to be an apostle to do that. God has always chosen women to do drear things in the church and some are doctors of the church.
Women please beware lest the Lord strike us down. As it is the catholic all over the world church is filled with women who run so many ministries within it. Our role is pivotal in the running of the church but please stay in your lane. We are many parts yet one body let’s not jump in to roles where the Lord has not called us.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
Why do you ever consider women at all to be ordained as deacons. Women, dont you have too much already on your hands?. Stop protestantizing the holy catholic church. Might as well become protestants if you want to become deacons. Why are women participating in this synod? It has always been just a guy thing. Stop confusing the faithful.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
@@Antonio.R.O.C. thank you for your comment Antonio. In my simple understanding of my catholic faith, i understand that there has been many great women in the faith including our Lord's own mother Mary. They all never asked for any form of elevation in their roles in the church including being ordained as a deaconess. The push for this elevation could be diabolical in a sense. Thats my humble conviction
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Why do I think this is about lesbians?
Good
Look at the Anglican church, they got women priests and wasn't long before they had LGBT weddings and married practicing LGBT clergy. Slippery slope
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You don't need to be have have a position in church to go to Heaven. Learn from the saints. How easy is it to go to Heaven without the chances of others doing so should be the primary focus of the Synod of solarity.
Don't carry politics in secular world into the church to repeat what Martin Luther and co did in 1514.
No woman should not be deacons. Jesus never established that.
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
Why’s this even a debate to begin with🤦🏻♂️
🕊️”I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the Church at Cenchre-ae, that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well.” Romans 16:1-2
🚨Deacons they can be but priests they cannot be, it’s that simple but people must learn to distinguish them apart as defined within scripture❗️
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It is more plausible to have women cardinals (advisors to the pope) than women deacons (which implies holy orders and thus a sharing in Christ's priesthood). Cardinals are not always bishops or even priests, a few lay theologians have been named cardinals. Women cannot "sense a call" to the priesthood, because that call comes through the Church. Whatever desires they may have/feel need to be discerned as to how that may be translated into service.
I was thinking the same, after all a Cardinal is only a title not an ordained role