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Intermodal trains, double stacks, trailer trains, jets, piggybacks, whatever you call them, here is an engineer's point of view.
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DJ
Just a guess why you don't see many layout with them is the price of trailers , containers and well cars or maybe I'm just cheap . LOL
I am seeing many modelers make cardboard containers for pennies. Maybe someone will post a video or link.
@@djstrains DigCom Designs (Digcomdesigns.net) is a site that sells PDFs of trailers and containers. They have a lot of different styles and companies you can purchase. You buy the PDF, print on card stock and assemble the containers and/or trailer. The PDF is $5.95 each but you can print as many as you want. The more you print and build the cheaper they are. They are not 100% like a plastic container/trailer but especially on a train they look really good, not to mention they are really affordable. Also they are light so they don’t weight down a full train. They do have samples on their site to try them to see if you like how they turn out before purchasing them. I highly recommend them. Search DigCom on TH-cam and see for yourself.
I like to model intermodal but it gets really expensive
People are using paper containers lately.
djstrains oh really that’s cool
"It's the one I've rarely seen modeled"
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN MY LAYOUT THEN. :P
as little kid on farm.
forbidden to go way back side of farm near R&R tracks. But i did a lot. used to stand on tracks as train come watching cars swing side to side wow. jump off tracks about 400ft of train. plenty of time as train only run 35 mph.
Newyork Centeral.
warren pa makes railroad cars. And the sections of the ARCH AT St Louis.
ok. 👎👀
good scene s from air.
but unable to see track layout by air. by satalite maybe but ur camera has not able to show the big pic.
u can show drawing with numbers= dementions etc.
switches & where how far apart.
Can u fly a drone while runin the train? Can it keep up with train? flight duration of drone is not enough?
i m from ur neck of the woods. jamestown/ warren erie titisville oilcity driftwood emporium.
lived next to R&R station in city of Northeast pa on the western Newyork stateline near Erie.
Major Tracks there!
just started watching u.
i am very old. got a veryfew cars. $30,000.oo worth. and no track. hope to make a small lay at least before i die. Yes i like containers / car carriers/ black tanks . say 50 each . a whole train of nothing but tanks and couple buffer cars.
why dose a train have to stop if it hits an A hole car? You cant change anything except to call cops. BUT WHY STOP?
Thanks for the inspiration, i recently upped my intermodal train length (from 100% 48 foot wells to one 53' well and one 5-pack 48' well with two frontrunners) and was looking for a possible intermodal terminal without all the hassle of a full-sized one.
Well, that gives me something to do with the 2 Mi-Jack cranes I have!
If you don't want them ..you wanna sell em
Make sure none of your access roads in the yard go anywhere. Roads must be an afterthought and the crews must ride around in a van for 30 min at the minimum.
tears laughing!
Thanks DJ , very informative (:
Nice video there DJ! Love those drone shots. My dad's cousin was the man in charge of developing the land for the intermodal terminal in McKees Rocks.
small world. glad you liked the video.
Intermodal, Planed for, Not planed for, on the Fence...It depends on the state of the layout and yard and staging tracks what is more important at the moment for the layout.
if this terminal loses anymore business, it might end up just being a real world staging yard.
@@djstrains ha!
I think people don't model intermodal trains because you can't do too much with it. They go from point A to point B. There's not much switching or industry involved, unless the few industries that are involved are the ones you're interested in, of course.
Yes, like RDCs, they seem to operate like slot cars.
Hi DJ, It's funny how the different railroads had different nicknames for TOFC and COFC services. Like you mentioned, I began hearing the name "Jet" and "Trailer Jet" during the Chessie System era. On Conrail they were "TV" trains, which was short for Trail-Van. On the Southern Pacific they were called "Pig" trains, short for Piggyback which is the most common name for TOFC and COFC trains. The Southern Pacific truck trailers even proclamation "Golden Pig Service" on the side of the trailers. As time marches on I think the traditional Piggyback train is being replaced by the double stack trains as more shipping companies have adopted containers over truck trailers. Another neat video DJ thanks for sharing and yes, I love the drone footage. Cheers, Rich S.
Thanks for that, I forgot about the TV trains. Good stuff as always, Rich.
The Illinois Central referred to their intermodal trains as "The Pigs", until the CN takeover. The Chicago and Northwestern referred to their intermodal trains as "Falcons". To this day on the former C&NW you can still frequently hear Union Pacific dispatchers refer to the Hot Intermodal trains as "Birds".
How 'bout "Z-Trains" since the reporting marks on containers and vans usually end in Z.
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I've actually been trying to do a lot of intermodal modeling..... However, Ok have to disagree with your est of how much space is required..... Due to their very nature you have to have either an aircraft hangar or something similar on size to be able to run an intermdal train of any size in HO scale. A typical modern flat is a foot,spine and well cars start at 16" long.,to over two feet each......plus a foot or so EACH per locomotive....
I'm old enough to remember when TOFC was all the rage before the days of containerized freight
This is one in my backyard. They moved here from central orlando. goo.gl/maps/jsm8cjiPyTHqBP526 My company is their contracted service electrician, and we recently added another crane to the facility. They have 4 fully automated cranes!
They would be great for people that like to just run trains . ...thanks for sharing....Jack
what is the formula for curves? i have engines 4&6&8 axle. 6&8 dont go round curves
So maybe you don’t see this back east, but an inter model in the west and one I plan to do is the trash train full of containers. The yard I’m going to do is pull thru, but also dead ended at the transfer(dump) area. But cool video. Got to see the Portland OR facility up close.
Just grabbed about 16 well cars on top of the 6 BNSF well card I own. Came with tons of containers and trailers. I have a crane but I’m thinking about building a larger one like they have at ports so I can custom build a container/train/car barge similar to Alaska Marine Lines...I’m doing too much lol
Intermodal trains they are very expensive to model I think that's why you don't see that many in HO
Your inside scoop is priceless !
Thanks for sharing!
CSX built a huge intermodal yard in North Baltimore Ohio, near Deshler, Ohio. It’s big
I was in Findlay area for work. Brought my bike, rode it around that terminal. Only then did I realize how massive it is!
7 Cranes! the one close to me only has 4
Always enjoy your videos my best friend is from Mckees Rocks and has lots of photos of the P&LE and PC&Y from the 60's and 70's
Awesome, Thanks!
@@djstrains it's hard to model them because the stock rotates so much and you have to always pre-order
2 dislike. 2 jb hunt truck drivers
very cool and very interesting. thanks for some ideas.
Thanks!
I live near chambersburg, always wanted to go
Modeling Intermodal isn't in my current layout forecast but this is a great and informative video. Even if I was modeling steam era I would still watch this and enjoy it just as much. Great video, Thanks DJ!
Thank you, my friend.
I'm trying to picture where that is, compared to the main line headed to/from New Castle. I used to drive through McKees Rocks to get to Neville Island yard.
This was the P&LE Yard. Completely removed and flattened and rebuilt.
THANK YOU...for sharing. No speeding in Ohio DJ. LOL
My grandfather work for the P&LE many years ago in Youngstown. I would love to see more about the history of the P&LE RR.
Thanks DJ.
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Hi DJ! I love piggy-back rail cars, but I’m modeling mid 70’s. I see videos on TH-cam from back then with piggybacks cars and see them kinda jumbled on a train. If they don’t get switch how do they ultimately get to a train that takes them to an intermodal yard? Thanks! I know this question is 4 years late!
Eventually they will get to a yard or plant that has a ramp.
Interesting as always DJ
Thanks
Another great video DJ. Always love the drone footage.
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Highly suggest, using graphic arrows pointing out what you are referring to. Peace n love ✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️
Thanks for the input. I'll try to do that in future videos.
Very interesting! CSX intermodal in Valleyfield,QC built about 5 years ago will be close this October , this is sad. It’s medium size yard , easy to model. CN will buy all trackage from CSX in province of Quebec. Farewell to legacy exx-Conrail ex-PC nee-NYC around Montreal !
CSX will sell the whole railroad off to boost their stock price.
What's going on with all those Prime trailers. LOL . Looks like Amazon is trying to take over the world. ! ! ! Just Saying.
Those were my ex girlfriend's orders
i like watching 2 trainspassing oppsite dir. going like hell.
what dose a train really weigh? Average 200 car. loaded?
coal trains 130 cars usually equals about 18,500 tons.
Hi, What is most prototype-typical D.C. or A.C. locomotives on the intermodal trains? I see some railroad put A.C. locomotives on the intermodal trains.
whatever is available
Great info! Some of my first cars were well cars HO. What no one told me, nor was it printed on the box, was they won't run if your curves are too sharp. So I guess it's back to the drawing board, or I'll just have a yard full of well cars to admire.
Have you tried regular flat cars for containers ?
@@alweinhofer5453 That's a good thought. Thanks. 😀
Working on that now
very cool
Thanks!
Lots of information and great drone shots.
Thanks!
Nice video!
Thanks!
Wow, that’s some slick camera work! Do you carry a lot of UPS loads on your line?
no, I think NS carries more to be honest
My old layout main industry was intermodal my new layout will have it to. I'm a otr driver an I use to go to the intermodal yards to dropoff or pickup loads but not anymore. My company has a dedicated division that all they do is intermodal. I drive with a co driver and pull doubles now on a different division of the company. Very informative video thankyou.
I think one reason that this type of train isn't modeled often it they have to be long. And require a bigger layout. Is there such a thing as a short intermodal train and small yard ?
there is a small one in Cleveland attached to Collingwood yard. But its usually just a pick up and set off point.
I see a lot of coal trains.
Running 7 Maxi well IV from Kato together with some 5-unit well cars from Walthers.
I enjoy it, but it is expensive when u also have to get 2 containers for each unit.
Look online for free images you can print out on cardboard, then fold and they as good as store bought plastic ones
@@djstrains ah no don’t worry. I bought just a lot of containers. Even when they are expensive, i want the details
these are nice and informative but what about your layout
i took a break, lol
I love intermodal trains almost as much as I do mixed freight. Modelling Alaska Railroad is fun for me because their intermodals are only single layer TOFC or COFC due to the high winds they see in Alaska, no well cars at all.
Never heard them called jets. In csx’s southern region they’re called pigs or piggybacks.
I live in CHAMBERSBURG, and watch trains and the local out of Hagerstown all the time.
Nice video DJ👍🏼. Question, what's the longest train you've ever pulled (feet and tons)? How much power was on it, DPU's ect? Just curious, have a good day my friend, stay safe on them rails
during quarantine they furloughed EVERYBODY and combined 4 trains! stone, ballast, intermodal, mixed freight. 23,000 tons, 3 miles long. with two GEVO engines on front, no DPU. I voiced my opposition. Didn't know if we could make it, but we did. Had to set middle of train off at one yard, and work another, and then outlawed. This is why I don't speak highly of CSX. GREED.
Wow that's insane DJ! Yes unfortunately greed will end up pushing things to the limits and something deadly/catastrophic is bound to happen. Thanks for answering 👍🏼😎
I have worked in McKee’s Rocks for the past 23 years and always enjoy seeing these trains go by mostly the Pittsburgh& Ohio central passes just across the street from work
Every time I go to my friends house in Mont Alto he takes me to Chambersburg to watch trains at the international facility
Hey, DJ. I have a quick question, I assume that your home terminal is Pittsburgh. What subdivisions are you qualified to go on how far are you allowed to go? Thank you!
currently newell to newcastle and connellsville to new castle. plus all the locals. i let my qualifications to willard, cleveland and cumberland expire.
djstrains Intersting. Didn’t realize you used to be qualified all the way to Williard and Cleveland. Was Pittsburg your home terminal before you expired or was it still Newcastle?
Great video! I have been thinking about it for part of my layout and this showed how easy it could be thx!!!!
Its expensive as heck to model it in o scale😂
I could only imagine. I’m in N scale and just grabbed a huge line of intermodal stuff so I lucked out
Those HO scale containers are prohibitively expensive.
I hear ya!
@@djstrains I bet once they set the mold, each one of those things costs a dollar to make and they charge $20 for them! a 2000% markup! I'm in the wrong business. 😲. Cheers! I love your videos DJ.
Can you explain why they choose Spines vs TOFC vs Wells? What percentages are seen in the modern era?
great question, maybe someone else can answer...
@@djstrains I'm just trying to get my intermodal trains to resemble real manifests, so any insight would be appreciated
Good one Deej!
Thanks!
Cool DJ I’m surprised that you said that intermodal trains are super light and easy slow down.
They are
djstrains and DJ I also got 1 question about working for CSX are there any conductors or engineers do you know who are African American because I am black
was wondering how i was going to install a IM yard on my layout..NOW i know how
and why
Nice video! You could build an intermodal yard on T-Trak modules.
Can you do a video on stone and aggregate trains and modeling a small modern quarry?
I wrote that idea down.
@@djstrains thanks for considering it
Both of my parents worked Intermodel for CSX 👍
Thanks for the info. Really like the thought
I love modeling intermodal
Great info. Back in late 50's early 60's, how did they handle the semi truck trailers they carried. Thanks for sharing.
Backed/pulled them on using a heavy equipment ramp. And not one car at a time but five to ten.
Dont forget the DigCom Designs paper containers! It was the only way i could fill my double stack!
DigCom Designs (Digcomdesigns.net) is a site that sells PDFs of trailers and containers. They have a lot of different styles and companies you can purchase. You buy the PDF, print on card stock and assemble the containers and/or trailer. The PDF is $5.95 each but you can print as many as you want. The more you print and build the cheaper they are. They are not 100% like a plastic container/trailer but especially on a train they look really good, not to mention they are really affordable. Also they are light so they don’t weight down a full train. They do have samples on their site to try them to see if you like how they turn out before purchasing them. I highly recommend them. Search DigCom on TH-cam and see for yourself.
Very interesting and informative. I enjoy modelling inter-modal because of all the diverse and bright colours of the containers. They also look great when weathered.
Absolutely!
I run intermodal. When modeling and loading intermodal the 20fts always go in the well. Then you can put a 40 to 53 on top. Never put a 20 on top of anything other than a 20=
Excellent info!!
@djstrains Can you do a follow up to the McKees Rocks part? Something more on the operation or how to setup on a layout? its perfect for what I want to do.
I couldn't fly any further because of the airport. Its really not complicated. The place never got busy and is hardly used anymore. cranes were at both ends. we pulled our train onto the passing siding, cut behind our engines to go in light power and pick up our cars. Set offs were usually on head end as well.
Intermodal or stack trains are one of my favorite to model and one of the top if not the top most expensive train to build
no doubt!!
Question....wasvin greensburg pa monday....was SWP locomotives with freight train....who are they...?
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Cool thanks
👍🏼👍🏼 didn’t know there were set off/pick up only yards. Thanks for the info. Still don’t know what constitutes DPU’s 😊. Anthony
working on that video. maybe next week. need some more footage.
djstrains 😊👌🏽
Locos with AC traction have DPU capability. DC traction locos are part of the lead consist only.
I always thought the facility in Wall Pa would be cool to model
I can't find a good enough location to stand to fly the drone. I have some wilmerding footage, not much.
Nice!
Cool..video....
LOL couldn't wait till that facility was done. Moving crushed concrete from one side to the other plus dirt mainly for the track bed. Boring and a pain. I'm also glad the rail takes semi trailers the freight is too cheap for us to haul. But I don't see road road railers any more where the trailer sits right on the trucks why is that DJ??
They came loose on occasion. It was many years ago that CSX banned them.
@@djstrainswoah that had to be a pain to hook back up. I use to see them on NS every blue moon. Do you guys ever use that passing siding by metal teck haven't seen a train run down that in a long time
First, Nice
Thanks!
@@djstrains Thanks Sence You Work For CSXT What Does The Word C.S.X. Stand For?
Chessie System Corporation. Chessie was the predecessor, and X is the symbol for a corporation.
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