A Diophantine Equation

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @jamesharmon4994
    @jamesharmon4994 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    When you said "brute force", I expected you to plug integers into the given equation to see what happens.

  • @nanamacapagal8342
    @nanamacapagal8342 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    BONUS: I allowed sqrt(-N) = i * sqrt(N), and that allowed for another solution (and only one more): (-2, 3)

    • @hansvangiessen8395
      @hansvangiessen8395 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Let's check:
      √(x-√y) + √(x+√y) = √(xy)
      √(-2-√3) + √(-2+√3) = √(-2.3)
      (√(-2-√3) + √(-2+√3))² = (√(-2.3))²
      (-2-√3) + 2 √(-2-√3).(-2+√3)+(-2+√3) = (i√6)²
      -4 + 2 √(-1)(2+√3).(-1)(2-√3) = -6
      -4 + 2 i²√(4-3) = -6
      -4 - 2.1 = -6
      -6 = -6
      (-2, 3) looks ok.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, you are right - there is indeed only one additional complex integer solution. For the other two solutions to work (±1; 0) we need to choose different signs for the first and the second square root on the left (so that they add up to zero), which, strictly speaking, is theoretically possible (since complex roots are essentially multivalued), but normally is not regarded as a solution when we stick to the _principal_ complex square root definition.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I asked Prime a question in a comment above about whether (and how) we solve irrational equations over the field of complex numbers ℂ (where complex nth roots are multivalued and have different sings/directions when n > 2, not just ±1), but he hasn't responded yet. Say, how do we solve equations like ³√z = −2 or ³√(z−6) = z (if we solve them at all over ℂ).

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It still relies on the equality
      √(2-√3) + √(2+√3) = √6.
      This is not very difficult since
      (2±√3) = (3 ±2√3 + 1)/2
      = (√3 ± 1)²/2.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​ @TheMathManProfundities It gives 𝒊√6 for both sides (as a _principal_ value).

  • @keinKlarname
    @keinKlarname 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Your hand writing is really sensational!

  • @EnochAkintayo
    @EnochAkintayo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You're extremely smart, sir.

  • @beapaul4453
    @beapaul4453 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    11:46. Wonderful

  • @courbe453
    @courbe453 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I like your way of explaining, a real mathematics teacher, thank you.

  • @AlirezaNabavian-eu6fz
    @AlirezaNabavian-eu6fz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent

  • @josephgonzalez178
    @josephgonzalez178 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I watched the PMath method of solution as you mentioned. His method was the same as your approach, but your explanation was by fan superior! Thank you for your videos.

  • @chaosredefined3834
    @chaosredefined3834 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From 2sqrt(x^2 - y) = xy - 2x.
    Note that x | RHS. Therefore, x | LHS. So, x | 2 sqrt(x^2 - y). Therefore, x^2 | 4x^2 - 4y. So, x^2 | 4y. Therefore, there exist some k such that 4y = k x^2. But we know that y >= 0, so 4y and x^2 are both positive, and therefore k has to be positive.
    Going back to the equation, we can move the 2 into the sqrt by squaring it, giving us sqrt(4x^2 - 4y) = xy - 2x. Then, replacing that 4y with k x^2, we get sqrt(4x^2 - kx^2) = xy - 2x. Extracting out the x^2 from the sqrt, we get x sqrt(4 - k) = xy - 2x. Option 1 is that x = 0, which leads us to 4y = k 0^2, and therefore 4y = 0, so y = 0. Option 2 is that sqrt(4 - k) = y - 2. Since k has to be positive, and sqrt(4 - k) has to be an integer, this means that sqrt(4-k) = 0, 1 or 2, or k = 4, 3 or 0.
    Case 1: k = 4
    4y = 4 x^2, so y = x^2. Therefore, 2 sqrt(0) = x(4x^2) - 2x, so 4x^3 - 2x = 0, or 2x(2x^2 - 1) = 0. 2x^2 - 1 has no integer solutions, so the only solution is the (0, 0) solution we already covered.
    Case 2: k = 3
    4y = 3x^2. So, y = 3x^2 / 4. 2 sqrt(x^2 - 3x^2 / 4) = 3x^3 / 4 - 2x => 2 sqrt(x^2 / 4) = 3 x^3 / 4 - 2x => 2 (x/2) = 3x^3 / 4 - 2x => 0 = 3x^3 / 4 - 3x => 3x( x^2 / 4 - 1) = 0. x = 0 is a solution again, which gives us y = 0. But x^2 / 4 - 1 has integer solutions, specifically x = 2 and x = -2. We reject x=-2 because we need x >= sqrt(y) >= 0. Therefore, x = 2 is the only new value we get from this case, and it gives us that y = 3 (2)^2 / 4 = 3. so, (2,3).
    Case 3: k = 0
    This means that 4y = 0 x^2, so y = 0. Shoving that in, we get 2 sqrt(x^2) = -2x. But x >= 0, and now we need -2x

  • @KaivalyaChess
    @KaivalyaChess 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    both did great sir

  • @JPErrico
    @JPErrico 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm sure someone has noted to you that if x^2 = 4/(4-y), then you can also have (1,0), but that solution doesn't work in the original equation.

  • @Abby-hi4sf
    @Abby-hi4sf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @12:05 I love your explanation, it gives real depth how to see possible solutions,
    with brutal force
    x^2 (4 - y) = 4 = (4)(1)
    x^2 =4 , x= 2 and 4 - y = 1 , so y = 3 is

  • @treybell40501
    @treybell40501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Don’t be afraid to express faith especially if it’s not in an offensive way. Peace to everyone

    • @jumpman8282
      @jumpman8282 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's always offensive to someone.
      I think the bible says somewhere not to do to others what you don't want them to do to you.
      And I don't think neither you nor Newton would want anyone to rub their faith in your faces.
      Peace.

    • @robertholder
      @robertholder 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jumpman8282 I agree. Much better to express faith through actions like providing free math videos. Flashing bible verses is just preaching.

  • @mathpro926
    @mathpro926 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Teacher always shows us a good way ❤

  • @vitotozzi1972
    @vitotozzi1972 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very very good!!!

  • @ThePhotonMan110
    @ThePhotonMan110 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved your energy in this video!

  • @Alephŋull
    @Alephŋull 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can also do one thing
    Take 4 on rhs
    Then you will have
    X * X * (4-Y) = 4
    One two options left
    1*1*4
    Or
    2*2*1
    1st case does not work
    Therefore x=2 and y=4-1=3

  • @MrJasbur1
    @MrJasbur1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    If it’s a Diophantine equation, isn’t the only requirement that x and y be integers? Like with the more complicated expressions involving square roots being whatever they want whether irrational or even complex? If so, wouldn’t (-2,3) also be a solution?

    • @marekpiatek01
      @marekpiatek01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Correct since inputting that solution would result in i√6 on both sides of the original equation, making it a true statement. Good observation

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, you are right - that's the only requirement. Though Wolfram Alpha gives only the two non-negative solutions we obtained in the video when asked to solve this equation over the integers, while it certainly knows how to evaluate complex roots.

    • @iqtrainer
      @iqtrainer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@allozovskyStop talking about complex roots.

  • @dirklutz2818
    @dirklutz2818 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    An "illegal", but nice solution is: (x=sqrt(2), y=2)

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Square roots of integers are _algebraic integers,_ though (i.e. roots of some _monic_ polynomial with a leading coefficient of 1, like in x² = 2, for example), so one might call it an _algebraic_ integer solution to an _irrational_ Diophantine equation, and thus it makes sense from this point of view.

    • @apotheos-i7q
      @apotheos-i7q 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@allozovskywow thats brilliant

  • @surendrakverma555
    @surendrakverma555 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent explanation Sir. Thanks 👍

  • @geekandnerd5142
    @geekandnerd5142 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, i love his videos so much. Is just so great to learn from someone who really likes what he is talking about. I got into maths because of this guy when I was like 15 and have absolutely no regrets.
    I don’t, know how often do you read your comments, but if you’re reading this, man, thank you. I’m currently battling to get a bachelor on maths, and I have no idea how my life would’ve turned out if I haven’t found that video of yours three years ago.

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow! Hey I am so happy for you. You just inspired me with your story. I am honored. You are unstoppable.

    • @geekandnerd5142
      @geekandnerd5142 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PrimeNewtons aaaah! I’m so glad you’ve read it. Is great to know I’ve inspired you as you inspired me with those easy explanations of precalc years ago! I’m sure there’s many people out there who, like me, felt completely greatful to have found that one teacher they can look up to, with the easy explanations which makes maths look as fun and elegant as it is. You help more people than you’ll ever know.

  • @TheMathManProfundities
    @TheMathManProfundities 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why can't you take the root of negative numbers? √-6=i√6. x=-2 is therefore a valid candidate solution and turns out to be valid (y=3). Also in this vein, you should have added a ± when you multiplied the roots together (both can be imaginary). As it happens, the next thing you did was to square this so it wouldn't have made any difference. Also, later on you divided by y-4 without checking whether this can be zero. It can easily be seen that it can't be but this should have been included especially as this is designed to teach other people.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheMathManProfundities > later on you divided by y-4 without checking whether this can be zero
      Yeah, adding one extra step at 10:50 (where Prime was actually going to factor out x²) to explicitly show that x²(4−y) = 4 has no solutions when y = 4, would have been much more rigorous and this checkup should have definitely been mentioned.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And going back to the issue with Wolfram Alpha - it gives no negative solutions for √x = √(x³) either, when restricted to integers. And when not restricted, gives x = −1 as well with a remark: (assuming a complex-valued square root).

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the documentation for the Solve function it is stated:
      • If _dom_ is *Reals,* or a subset such as *Integers* or *Rationals,* then _all constants and function values are also restricted to be real._
      Whether this is a wise choice is hard to tell - it depends on the constraints of the problem where an equation was formed. But now things are starting to get more clear. And in any case, it is up to Wolfram to decide how their tools are implemented. Say, for some strange reason Wolfram Mathematica gives *Indeterminate* to *0^0,* but at the same time gives *1* to both *a^0/.a->0* and *a^0/.a->Infinity,* assuming that *a^0* is *1* for _any_ base *a* (just like most other math tools do), which doesn't look very consistent.

    • @TheMathManProfundities
      @TheMathManProfundities 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@allozovsky I'm not terribly familiar with Alpha, the main issue I had with it is that it treats 1/2x as (1/2)x whereas it treats 1/ax as 1/(ax). 0⁰ is a whole other conversation as a⁰/.a>0=1 but 0ᵃ/.a>0=0. As such 0⁰ had to be considered undefined but as I understand it, it can take a value consistent with it's surroundings. As such y=x⁰ and y=0ˣ are both continuous at x=0.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​ @TheMathManProfundities > it treats 1/2x as (1/2)x whereas it treats 1/ax as 1/(ax)
      Oh, yeah! 🙂
      That (in)famous "issue" increases the extremely popular 6/2(1+3) confusion even more. And the same goes with 2x^2x vs ax^ax. Not very consistent indeed.

  • @futuregenerationinstitute9613
    @futuregenerationinstitute9613 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for making maths easier. Would you please make a video about parallelogram formulas practically using DIAGONALS. Thank you sir.

  • @janimed9266
    @janimed9266 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bravo. Mais Pour la dernière réponse il fallait mieux expliquer
    D'après la dernière égalité on a
    4-y doit être supérieur a zéro:4-y>0--------->y

  • @dawkinsfan660
    @dawkinsfan660 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    03:37 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I watched it at 2x...it is even more hilarious than the original one! 😂

  • @chintu4398
    @chintu4398 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    6:11 yea they're gone...they're goners💀

  • @JamesWanders
    @JamesWanders 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For 4x^2-4-x^2•y=0, (x,y)=(1,0) looks to be a valid solution--but that doesn't work in the original equation. I'm struggling to see why the (2,3) solution works and (1,0) does not as both satisfy that side of the zero product step 🤨

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If x =1 and y= 0, the right hand side would be 0. The left would be 2.

  • @martinmolander5425
    @martinmolander5425 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like your videos, they are fantastic. However...
    I enjoyed this until the end; but when you have a radikal equation, you must always, ALWAYS, check your solutions to the original equation.

  • @iqtrainer
    @iqtrainer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You did a fantastic job PN! You guys should do more collabs

  • @Rishab_Sharma_Python_Teacher
    @Rishab_Sharma_Python_Teacher 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sir please make a video on how to find intersection coordinates of two circles

  • @assiya3023
    @assiya3023 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    شكرا أستاذ
    في الدقيقة 12 من بين الحلول أرى (1،0) لماذا لم تأخذها بعين الاعتبار وشكرا

  • @nothingbutmathproofs7150
    @nothingbutmathproofs7150 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice job, as always. When you had (xy-2x) you should have factored out the x. Life would have been easier from there

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really didn't see it. That's smart 🤓

  • @darpmosh6601
    @darpmosh6601 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    But if y=0, x can also equal 1

    • @assassin01620
      @assassin01620 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How so?

    • @darpmosh6601
      @darpmosh6601 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@assassin01620 Nevermind. I was wrong.

    • @rabotaakk-nw9nm
      @rabotaakk-nw9nm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      vʼ(1-vʼ0)+vʼ(1+vʼ0)≠vʼ(1•0) 2≠0 !!!
      8:55 "Testing y=0" !!!

  • @m.h.6470
    @m.h.6470 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Solution:
    √(x - √y) + √(x + √y) = √(xy) |²
    x - √y + 2√(x - √y)√(x + √y) + x + √y = xy
    2x + 2√((x - √y)(x + √y)) = xy
    2x + 2√(x² - y) = xy |-2x
    2√(x² - y) = xy - 2x
    2√(x² - y) = x * (y - 2) |²
    4(x² - y) = x² * (y - 2)²
    4x² - 4y = x² * (y² - 4y + 4)
    4x² - 4y = x²y² - 4x²y + 4x² |-4x² +4y
    0 = x²y² - 4x²y + 4y
    0 = x²y² - (4x² - 4)y
    This is a quadratic equation in terms of y with x² as a parameter
    y = (-(-(4x² - 4)) ± √((-(4x² - 4))² - 4(x²)(0)))/(2x²)
    y = ((4x² - 4) ± √((-(4x² - 4))²))/(2x²)
    y = ((4x² - 4) ± |-(4x² - 4)|)/(2x²)
    The absolute value creates 2 cases:
    -(4x² - 4) ≥ 0 → -4x² + 4 ≥ 0 → -4x² ≥ -4 → 4x² ≤ 4 → x² ≤ 1 → as x ∈ Z, only x = 0 and x = 1 are valid
    -(4x² - 4) < 0 → -4x² + 4 < 0 → -4x² < -4 → 4x² > 4 → x² > 1 → any x ∈ Z > 1 are valid
    Since x = 1 leads to 0 inside the absolute value term, it can be used in either case
    Case x = 0:
    y = ((4x² - 4) ± |-(4x² - 4)|)/(2x²)
    y = ((4(0)² - 4) ± |-(4(0)² - 4)|)/(2(0)²)
    y = (-4 ± 4)/0
    y = -8/0 OR 0/0
    Since this doesn't give a valid answer, let's plug it into the original equation:
    √(x - √y) + √(x + √y) = √(xy)
    √(0 - √y) + √(0 + √y) = √(0 * y)
    √(-√y) + √(√y) = √0
    √(-√y) + √(√y) = 0
    Since √ only returns positive values, y HAS to be 0
    √(-√0) + √(√0) = 0
    √(-0) + √0 = 0
    0 + 0 = 0
    0 = 0
    Therefore x = y = 0 is a valid solution
    Case x ≥ 1:
    y = ((4x² - 4) ± (4x² - 4))/(2x²)
    Since y = ((4x² - 4) - (4x² - 4))/(2x²) = 0/(2x²) = 0, we already have that solution.
    y = ((4x² - 4) + (4x² - 4))/(2x²)
    y = (2(4x² - 4))/(2x²)
    y = (4x² - 4)/x²
    y = 4(x² - 1)/x²
    Given, that x ∈ Z, the right side is alway positive.
    Given that y ∈ Z, the right side has to be an integer.
    But with x² in the denominator, the right side can only be an integer in two cases:
    if x = ±1, because the denominator becomes 1
    if x = ±2, because the denominator becomes 4 and cancels out with the factor 4
    Since we are in the case x ≥ 1, only x = 1 and x = 2 are relevant.
    Case x = 1:
    y = 4(x² - 1)/x²
    y = 4(1 - 1)/1
    y = 4(0)/1
    y = 0
    This is an extraneous solution, as y = 0 leads to x = 0 in the original equation:
    √(x - √y) + √(x + √y) = √(xy)
    √(x - √0) + √(x + √0) = √(x * 0)
    √(x) + √(x) = √0
    2√(x) = 0 |:2
    √x = 0 |²
    x = 0
    Case x = 2:
    y = 4(x² - 1)/x²
    y = 4(2² - 1)/2²
    y = 4(4 - 1)/4
    y = 3
    So there are 2 integer solutions:
    x = 0 and y = 0
    x = 2 and y = 3

  • @Montegasppa
    @Montegasppa 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got a questions: doesn’t √(x - √y)² equal to |x - √y|?

    • @treybell40501
      @treybell40501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He corrected himself I think

    • @niloneto1608
      @niloneto1608 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No need for the absolute values, as the only restrictions are x,y>=0 and x²>=y. With these in mind, x-√y can never be negative.

  • @flowingafterglow629
    @flowingafterglow629 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Something is bothering me about your x^2 = 4/(4 - y) equation
    Yes, it works to get y = 3 and x = 2
    But what if you put in y = 0? In that case, you get x^2 = 4/4 = 1. However, y = 0, x = 1 is not a solution.
    Is that just an extraneous solution introduced by squaring?
    I wrote it as y = 4 - 4/x^2 but the result is the same

    • @chaosredefined3834
      @chaosredefined3834 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's an extraneous solution. Extraneous solutions are also why you should test the (2,3) solution.

    • @iqtrainer
      @iqtrainer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      this is a good point. i watched both videos and thats what dr pk did in the solution

    • @iqtrainer
      @iqtrainer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this is a good point. i watched both videos and thats what dr pk did in the solution

    • @rabotaakk-nw9nm
      @rabotaakk-nw9nm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      8:55 "Testing y=0" !!! 😁

    • @flowingafterglow629
      @flowingafterglow629 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rabotaakk-nw9nm But that doesn't address my comment. He derived the expression for x^2, and if you use that you get x = 1 as a solution. As noted, it is extraneous

  • @Rizzlers_Edits
    @Rizzlers_Edits 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sir we can also put 0 as a value of y instead of putting three
    Is it a solution to the equation?

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That would give us two extraneous solutions (±1; 0) for which the LHS is non-zero but the RHS is zero.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For these solutions to work, we need to choose different signs for the first and the second square root on the left (so that they add up to zero), which, strictly speaking, is theoretically possible (since complex roots are essentially multivalued), but normally is not regarded as a solution when we stick to the _principal_ complex square root definition.

  • @foisalmahdi
    @foisalmahdi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you please factor this polynomial: -2x²+6y²+xy+8x-2y-8 ? I can't factor it.

    • @williamdragon1023
      @williamdragon1023 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      (-x+2y+2)(2x+3y-4) according to wolfram alpha.

  • @badralshammari8004
    @badralshammari8004 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only God we can call , only god

  • @wryanihad
    @wryanihad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you use this idea says theres 2 cases to solve
    Case 1 when x=y
    Case 2 when x≠y or x=ay
    Where a is constant

  • @Aiellosfetano
    @Aiellosfetano 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But if i take y=0 i have x^2= 4/(4-0)-> 4/4->1
    X^2=1->x=1. Is this possible?

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If we check this solution by substituting it back into the original equation, we will get 1 + 1 = 0, so if we consider the principal real-valued square root, this is an extraneous solution.

  • @cyruschang1904
    @cyruschang1904 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ✓(x - ✓y) + ✓(x + ✓y) = ✓(xy)
    [✓(x - ✓y) + ✓(x + ✓y)]^2 = [✓(xy)]^2
    2x + 2✓(x^2 - y) = xy
    xy - 2x = 2✓(x^2 - y)
    (xy - 2x)^2 = [2✓(x^2 - y)]^2
    (xy)^2 + 4x^2 - 4yx^2 = 4x^2 - 4y
    (xy)^2 - 4yx^2 + 4y = 0
    if y = 0, x = 0
    if y ≠ 0
    yx^2 - 4x^2 + 4 = 0
    (y - 4)x^2 + 4 = 0
    x^2 = 4/(4 - y)
    y = 3, x = 2 (x cannot be -2)
    (x, y) = (0, 0), (2, 3)

  • @ahmetd.yazgan718
    @ahmetd.yazgan718 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    x² = 4 / (4-y) 》{1,0} but not correct. Why?

    • @niloneto1608
      @niloneto1608 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because you must substitute these values in the original equation and see whether it holds true or not.

    • @niloneto1608
      @niloneto1608 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Everytime you square both sides of the equation, extraneous roots appear. For instance, take x=y, when x²=y², when for this second equation, x=-y is a extraneous root which doesn't belong in the original equation.

    • @ahmetd.yazgan718
      @ahmetd.yazgan718 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@niloneto1608 thank you.

  • @IammybrothersBro
    @IammybrothersBro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is this
    ²3⁴
    2 superpower 3 times 4

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Funny notation indeed 😊

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also !3! - is it a factorial of a subfactorial or a subfactorial of a factorial? 🤔

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But I guess ²3⁴ should be evaluated as ²3⁴ = (3³)⁴ = 27⁴ = 3¹² = 531441, because superpower should have a higher priority (and also we evaluate left to right in this case anyway).

    • @IammybrothersBro
      @IammybrothersBro 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And also the order is 2,3,4

  • @danobro
    @danobro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    8 second ago no way!!!

  • @iloveafs
    @iloveafs 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why y=3 not y=2 or y=1?

    • @MannyK-gx6yu
      @MannyK-gx6yu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If y = 2 or 1 then x squared would be 4/2 or 4/3 and x would therefore not be an integer but irrational

    • @sklolss1638
      @sklolss1638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For y = 2, you get x^2 = 4/2 = 2. so x = sqrt2. sqrt2 is not in Z.
      For y = 1 you get x^2 = 4/3. so x = 2/sqrt3. sqrt 3 is not in Z.

  • @cyberagua
    @cyberagua 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An irrational Diophantine equation???!!! 😱
    Sounds like some sort of a math oxymoron.
    Is it "find integer solutions of an irrational equation" what is really meant here?

    • @cyberagua
      @cyberagua 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Searched the web for "irrational Diophantine equation" and found noting. Only "irrational Diophantine quadruples" and "irrational Diophantine numbers". And of course there are rational/fractional/algebraic/exponential Diophantine equations, but an irrational Diophantine equation sounds really weird.

    • @cyberagua
      @cyberagua 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If there are roots involved, does it mean that we may also look for integer solutions that make the root expressions complex-valued? Sounds pretty reasonable, since we are already breaking the rules and mixing up different conceptions.

    • @cyberagua
      @cyberagua 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      May I have a question? Where does this equation come from? Is it some tournament or olympiad? Doesn't look like a legitimate test question, At least, being posed as a "Diophantine equation".

  • @doctorno1626
    @doctorno1626 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    x=y=0

  • @sobolzeev
    @sobolzeev 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    From the very form of the equation we have
    (1) y≥0 (since having √y);
    (2) x≥√y≥0 (since having √(x-√y)).
    After the first squaring we get
    2√(x² - y) = xy - 2x = x(y-2) ≥ 0,
    so x=0 (and hence y=0)
    or x>0 and y>2 (y=2 implies x²=2, which is impossible).
    Finally, x,y>0 imply
    √(x² - y) x(y-2) and y

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But the (−2; 3) solution also works, if we consider complex principal square roots. It's a Diophantine equation, after all, and x, y, ∈ ℤ is the only requirement.

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@allozovsky Can you produce your calculations here? You see, I am not sure what is the principle square root of a negative number. For a positive A, a principle square root is the bigger of the two roots of the equation x²=A. For a negative, they are incomparable.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sobolzeev You are right, a principal complex root is a bit vague concept and can be defined in different ways, depending upon how we define the principal argument of a complex number. If −π < φ = arg(z) ≤ π, then the principal square root of z = r·exp(𝒊φ) is normally taken to be √z = √r·exp(𝒊φ/2) and for a negative z we have an argument of π/2, that is the upward looking square root. But surely we can choose some other half-open interval of length 2π to define our principal argument and then the principal square root may switch direction (for example, if we choose the interval [−π; π) instead, including the left end and excluding the right one).

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But if we do not define a principal root but instead treat our square root expression as a multivalued complex root, then (−2; 3) is a solution anyway, along with the two more additional solutions of the form (±1; 0). But multivaluedness may eventually lead us to undesired properties of mixed irrational expressions with complex roots.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I asked Prime a question in a comment above about whether (and how) we solve irrational equations over the field of complex numbers ℂ, but he hasn't responded yet. Say, how do we solve equations like ³√z = −2 or ³√(z−6) = z (if we solve them at all over ℂ).

  • @johnka5407
    @johnka5407 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This at the end is a joke I don’t get or a fragment from a Bible without any context?

    • @luminator911
      @luminator911 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      idk why he's preaching, it's not like easter or anything

  • @allozovsky
    @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for another great video and a suggestion for a new math channel (it appeared to be very interesting indeed). I've got a question/suggestion to you (in a comment below) 👇

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The question goes like this: do we solve irrational equations over the field of complex numbers, where complex roots are essentially multivalued? Say, an equation with a cube root like ³√z = −2 or ³√(z−6) = z - do they have solutions over ℂ and how do we solve them?

  • @skyking9835
    @skyking9835 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dr PK Math didn't seem to have any tricks up his sleeve. He did what you did but faster (and sloppier)

    • @iqtrainer
      @iqtrainer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did almost the same but Dr PK method was more analytic. PN method was more algebraic. Better cool with that mouth

  • @sadeqirfan5582
    @sadeqirfan5582 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude…. You’re religious?

    • @erenshaw
      @erenshaw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      huh?

    • @icetruckthrilla
      @icetruckthrilla 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@erenshawcheck out the last second of the video

    • @niloneto1608
      @niloneto1608 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, and what? Let him profess some parts of the Bible, it's not the main topic of his videos.

    • @icetruckthrilla
      @icetruckthrilla 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doesn’t bother me. I was just responding to someone who was confused.

    • @niloneto1608
      @niloneto1608 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@icetruckthrilla And I was responding the op who asked if Prime Newtons was religious

  • @harshplayz31882
    @harshplayz31882 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I didnt liked dr pk math video😅

    • @iqtrainer
      @iqtrainer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      What a born hater with hater gene. I liked both actually as an ardent viewer of both channels