Believe it or not, the tragedy of Jason's death depicted in the "Under the Red Hood" movie was literally nothing compared to the comic book's version. Originally, Jason fell for Joker's trap because he was looking for his mother, and after finding her, he realized too late that she worked for the clown and planned to betray her own son. After standing around smoking while ignoring her own son getting horribly beaten, she too was betrayed and locked in the warehouse, whereupon they are both killed in the explosion. The saddest thing here is that Jason tried to save her instead of just trying to escape alone, which shows what a good boy he was.
@@DwyaneWadeCountyshe was his mother. Everyone can’t help but feel compassion for their parents. Doesn’t matter how logical it is, they biologically can’t help but cave even a millisecond to them, and that’s when these disgusting wastes of spaces leap in and run a mile right over their own child’s corpse. Look on the bright side. Trigon is Hell in this universe, so she definitely massively suffered for her betrayal.
@@NoriniaSmall correction, Trigon is one of the Lords of Hell in DC, Hell as in the Christian Hell does exist however but you are right to say that Trigon would be the one to likely claim her soul to torture. Trigon loves Raven more than all of existence itself, a parent betraying their child would indeed be considered the greatest evil by a being even like him.
@Rashaed crazy thing is Metropolis has death row. Lex Luthor was sentenced to death after his crimes were proven in all star and a murderer was executed in superman tas. I think the in universe answer is because Joker keeps using the insane plea even though he would've surpassed the limits for it IRL. The actual answer is because Joker is too popular for the writers to kill off but that's a boring explanation.
@@Lazyguy143 In real life Joker doesn't even qualify for the insanity plea. He's sane enough to know what he's doing, and understand the concept of death. Plus it's not uncommon fo the judge and jury to just ignore those.
Everyone is like "Why doesn't Batman kill?" Or "Batman should kill the Joker!". Meanwhile, I'm like "Why doesn't the justice system execute his ass. Oh, don't give me that insanity excuse. Joker is proven repeatedly to be more dangerous than any insane person. The electric chair should be his last act on Earth."
Because the writers won't let him. That unfortunately is the only reason. There is absolutely no canon reason, so we have to just look at the meta reason. When you have a character like the Joker, the only answer is that unsatisfying one.
Its also because Joker is still Human. And we as human have still rights and therefore gave right judgement. Because if there is an act of killing for justice then almost all villain would be killed by now. But the problem is some are still willing to change thats why batman is against killing. But yet again yah they should atleast have a rule to execute if the risks are too high to be free. Like joker dont give a dam anymore and just want to kill atleast lex luther is sane enough to understand to destroy superman because he is too strong to be alive yet still cares for humanity.
@@applespree2815 Lex Luthor has occasionally tried to destroy the world. Though there has been occasions where even he is sent to execution, not that it worked all the time. Also if a "sane" person kills someone and not part of the hero's rogue's gallery, straight to the electrocution chair. However if the Joker nukes a city, a slap on the wrist and sent to Arkham while leaving the cell door unlocked and giving Joker the key. What people should actually be asking is why the hell doesn't Bruce Wayne fund a more secure Arkham?
@@applespree2815you won't be saying that when he kills you're love ones human are neutral the word rights is just away to help us there's no real rights of you were in court with a rich and influence man who kill you're lover or something
@@mohammadharithzafranmahadh6174 Brother. What I meant was rights as I mean relation to the Law. For lets say Joker killed my Love ones. Should I use my rage for vengeance or justice? If I kill joker then Batman would just beat me up for a cause of murder. But it really depends on the person. Whether they would seek revenge in a harmful way (Nightwing style) or in a cold blooded way (Red Hood stlye). Or you are questioning me in not a DC Way. Well thats my own problem to take care of. Remember this is DC problem. Not a real life.
Poor Jason. Keep in mind that he accomplished some truly magnificent things as Robin that very few sidekicks can dream of, such as directly defeating Warlord Mongul or being admitted into the Teen Titans. He must have thought as the Joker hit him with the crowbar him that he deserved a more heroic ending.
The real reason Batman won't kill the Joker is because the Joker is just too popular a villain,it fact the Joker was to be a one time villain when he was introduced in Batman issue 1 killed off at the end,yet the then head of DC comics said the Joker was too good a villain and insisted he be used again.
Okay, so why the hell doesn't Bruce Wayne fund Arkham's security and ensure Batman actually has some legitimacy when saying that he's going to take Joker to Arkham *where he'll never hurt anyone again.* I mean, if DC says he can apparently solely fund a space station, why can't he simply turn one building into the greatest max security fortress the world has ever seen?
@@alduintheanti-dragonborn It wouldn't stop corrupt individuals from taking bribes from people like Black Mask or Lex Luthor to help get him out. There's always going to be some dipshit with too much money that's willing to pay or blackmail someone because they think they can "control" Joker.
@@alduintheanti-dragonbornit would first of all give away his identity because why would a billionaire do that. Why doesn’t Lex Luthor fund Arkham. Second, he has tried in comics where people know Bruce is Batman it doesn’t stop the people the villains have on their payroll working in Arkham and it never goes to the right place.
@@gamingwithcori8521 Even if he doesn't want to reveal his identity and he doesn't want a corrupt Arkham getting more money, he should still find a way to stop allowing criminals and psychopaths who murder dozens every weekend to escape their confinement and roam around Gotham. You know what? Give Batman prep time. He'll find a way with that. That's what every fan says at least.
Batman: "NOO, what have you done??!?!!, now the writ- UHM, now, each kills will get easier and easier, it's just all an *INJUSTICE title card appears*"
Why Batman won't kill Joker runs deeper than you think. Joker and Batman see eachother as the same, men who after a significant event in their lives were changed forever. Batman won't kill the Joker because if there is any hope that he can be redeemed then there's hope he can too, Joker meanwhile wants Batman to kill him more than anything, he needs to know that he's not alone, that he's not a mistake, that anyone if pushed hard enough will abandon their convictions and morals like he did. In the Killing Joke, when Barman admits that he wont kill him because he still has hope, Joker actually breaks character to tell Batman "Sorry, no, it's far too late for that." It was that moment Batman got his answer, that there would never be any going back, that the boy in that alley died woth his parents and the dark knight is all there ever will be. So in the final page of the comic, Batman does kill the Joker as they laugh at one last Joke, Batman accepts his fate, and the Joker's final moment is one of peace knowing that he wasn't alone.
Dang… that’s hard. What’s even sadder is the fact that Batman thought he was so terrible that he was on the same level as Joker, when in reality he’s a much much MUCH better man than him. Remember Ace the meta human? Even worse, he CAN be more than the dark knight: he can be the Bruce that his loved ones care about underneath that mask. He thinks he is alone, but he’s got people in his corner no matter what.
@jarielwilliams9856 How? It shows hope is both good and bad in this situation. Good because most times it will give people something to latch onto. Bad in this case because he was given the answer yet he still has hope which leaves people in danger.
@@NickJaime So...Relying on the fact...That the Joker can be redeemed...While he has shown no effort of changing, can't feel remorse, constantly ends people and puts many individuals in danger. And yet batman won't end it all. Thus proving that batman is incompetent.
I immagined a story once were the joker is escapeing batman again but manages to lose him on a rooftop, but then someone with the face obscured finds him by chance and points a gun at him; the joker is unimpressed until this guy start shooting at him in the abdomen, the joker is shocked by the calm of this person (we never see his/her face) and starts to panic becouse he realise that that's it. Batman arrives having heard the shots and while the joker is dying asks just "why?" not in an angry tone, just a single question. The shooter lowers the weapon and says "Becouse if I was someone forced to witness my alter ego do half the atrocities he has done, I would have begged for this to happen a long time ago. Treat others the same way you want to be treated " and the joker dies while desperate becouse he realize that the guy who killed him did it with a clear conscience and is not a broken soul like him.
If the joker died to someone, then no one will blame you for the actions. Some may even see you as a saint except for batman. There's a line between stability and insanity. Batman suffers from insanity complex. He thinks if he institutionalized Joker, then he can be redeemed in time. He does this over and over again in the hope of gaining results. You can't just fix this level of crazy. Sometimes death is the *ONLY* answer for men like him. I mean, he's willing to actually kill darkseid for Damien but won't kill the Joker. The only difference is that one is a man, and the other is a God of destruction.
Darkseid is an unfair comparison to Joker, as he literally is known for destroying ENTIRE PLANETS But there’s been times where Batman has decided the line needed to be crossed, and not just with Joker. There’s an alternative ending to Injustice, where instead of Superman killing Joker, Batman does, right in front of Commissioner Gordon, and immediately turns himself in There’s also the time when Lex Luthor was “elected” president, and forced Superman’s hand with the threat of a worldwide nuclear war, and Batman says, verbatim, in response to Superman killing Luthor, “it had to be done!” Whenever it’s the only option, he’s willing. But he’s convinced himself that Joker can be saved
@fanamatakecick97 I remember that time. It usually ends with batman snapping his neck or by some other means. The opening to the batman who laughs, he snapping his neck. The injustice alternative time, he snapping his neck for going after Lois and her baby once more. Batman bloodstorm where he was killed by Dracula and brought back as a vamp. Batman JLA, where he killed Joker due to him taking down robin and batgirl. Personally, I like it when Superman killed him with a death punch to the chest. Man was not in DC. He was in Mortal Kombat.
@@israelwilson4022the day Batman kills joker is the day he has to retire because then he starts killing two face, penguin, billy who robbed the jewelry store, to killing lex Luthor, that corrupt politician who lives on 3rd street, basically he would be considered a national threat and they would use all their resources to have him eliminated just like what they did in the dark knight returns
@@gamingwithcori8521 yeah I ain’t falling for that excuse Batman has had the harshest training mentality and physically yet he doesn’t have a strong enough mentality to put someone down? Riiiight, truth is Batman is a victim of bad writing cuz the writers want more cash grabs and have to make excuses cuz their audience ain’t stupid
@@israelwilson4022 the whole training mentally is built on that one rule The "no kill rule" is what holds his sanity together It was a promise to his parents a promise that gave him the drive to become Batman
Ngl, it's pretty funny to think that the original reason Jason was resurrected was because Superboy-Prime said: "ThIngs wErE coOlEr iN MY TimE. LeT Me FIx It..." 😂😂😂
He watched his parents get murdered as a child. I think that should be obvious. He is constantly battling to keep himself from falling off the edge, and he's afraid that if he killed someone, that would be the final push. Basically, he doesn't trust himself.
Which is more consistent with the character’s roots. Batman has been killing people since he first appeared in comics. It’s funny how movies that have Batman being the most self-righteous about having “no-kill rules” actually show him killing WAY more people than Keaton ever did. At least he was honest about it. Sometimes it’s just unavoidable & necessary. No need to lose sleep over it.
Batman knows that he walks on the edge. He understands that a big enough push could send him to the wrong side. He knows that killing Joker could save millions, but it could also be the catalyst for him becoming a Villain, which could end up with millions dead anyway under the right circumstances. That's why he aways tries to save people even if they don't deserve it
Killing someone to stop them from murdering others doesn't make you evil. Not stopping them, when you have the power to, makes you not only weak, but evil as well.
To quote Batman: “We aren’t executioners” To be precise, Bruce is outright admitting that, were he to cross that threshold, he wouldn’t stop. It wouldn’t stop with Joker. It wouldn’t stop with Penguin. Wouldn’t stop with Riddler, Two-Face, or Freeze. How long before he finds reasons to kill members of the Justice League? This is the aspect of his character you refuse to acknowledge, or even try to understand. You probably will think “that’s ridiculous. Joker clearly deserves it” and find some way to downplay Bruce’s own mental illness-and make no mistake, Batman is very much clinically insane, which is why Strange has such an obsession with him. The point is: he wouldn’t stop killing
@@fanamatakecick97 think of it like this though, would you rather let a villain who could kill thousands roam the world and constantly get out of prison so he could kill thousands more or kill him and be down 1 less villain and spare many more people. Regardless of whether you kill a villain or not many more villains are gonna spawn it’s better to thin the herd of villains and cut down on the innocent casualties than let the villain live while many more are spawning alongside that villain you left alive this adding to the problems you already have
Okay but that doesn't explain why he goes out of his way to save the Joker from being killed. But we all know the real reason he won't. Marketing, baby!
My best guess: Batman knows that he and Joker really aren't different. Both of them are insane, their insanity only manifests in different ways. Batman probably sees himself in the Joker and thinks that if the Joker can be saved, so can he. So he doesn't give up on Joker, cause that would be the same as giving up on himself.
Exactly, even in the most corrupt shithole they'd be sending hitmans to kill him or make him commit "suicide" like they did with Epstein. Just think of all the families he left broken using their savings to have him killed.
Speaking of "A Death in the Family," I've always found pretty fascinating the alternate page the authors made in case fans voted for Jason to live, which shows a blissful Batman holding Jason's body while yelling, "He's alive! Thank God!" I wonder how the Batman stories would have continued from that point if that page was the one used at the end. Anyway, it was colored and featured in "Batman Annual 25", the special issue that tells how Jason was revived, as "the reality that should have been", according to the narrator. They should have definitely adapted it for the interactive film
Let's be real, if Batman started killing and getting gun-training, he would be peak human above Punisher or Rambo! He can literally invent drones and sent them around Gotham to neutralize all his villains, the crime will be reduced in like 3 days or less! Jokes aside, a Batman without morals would be fucking scary!
Batman beyond's setting says otherwise about the killing part since said villains are gone but the problem still exists. But you're probably right about Bruce's motivations, because with his intelligence and funds he could simply just train and equip Gotham pd.
@@mksmike So how is that going to stop the 30-50 Gotham pd Members who are corrupt It's basically giving a mugger a military training to mug more efficiently
Batman has a moral AND practical reason for not killing. By not killing, his alliance with Gordon and the GCPD is far less controversal. If he kills, no Gordon help. This should be explored more.
@@jsmoke2657 If you want the "true version" you go to the source material. The origins of the character. He's been killing since the beginning. Your preferred version is not the "true version", it's just what you would like for the character. Any time he punches someone, kicks them, knocks them out or breaks bones he's rolling the dice with killing those people. That's why no-kill rules are childish & have not applied to the character when he was created.
Even if that is true, Batman doesn't have a moral/practical reason for not neutralizing or isolating the Joker so he isn't a danger to anyone... outside of the DC editors and writers not wanting to get rid of Joker.
Joker: uses the heads of newborns for a game of whack-a-mole along with a spiked mace. Batman: "you are going to Arkham forever." Joker: "Im thinking the only insane person here is actually you dude. You literally keep doing the same thing expecting a different result."
You know what i thought about why not cripple joker when i mean cripple i mean CRIPPLE break him permanently break his spine his hands feet legs fingers anything that allows grabbing and walking then no more joker hes broken beyond repair so why not rll ??? Edit: he will still be alive and a crazy man whos kinda already lost so yuh break them hands and legs 🦵 then spine he will be alive but won't hurt anyone else therefore not breaking the /no kill\ rule
I like the explanation that Batman isn't this highly moral, sane person. He is a broken, insane man, just like Joker, that's why they are often presented as two sides of the same coin, but with a moral code for justice he must never break, which seperates him from Joker. He fears that the moment he takes one life, which would be EASY to him by his own admission (he thinks about it every day), he wouldn't be able to stop. Not because killing someone makes you a psycho. It's that Bruce Wayne is on a thin line of sanity and insanity. But he's balancing like a God on that thin line to try to better Gotham. That's why he can never allow himself to kill anyone, even the Joker. Because as he says himself, if he allows himself to go there, he'll never return. It's probably the best and darkest explanation as to why he doesn't kill the Joker. Although why he actively protects him is beyond me. Would solve all his problems.
He's adrift in the same sea of madness as the Joker, both caused by one bad day. But Batman's one rule is a life preserver, keeping his head above the water. Breaking his one rule mean he lets go, banking on the hope that he can tread water long enough to not sink. But no one can keep that up forever; eventually he'll break and drown in the poisonous waters. And then he'll just be one more patient at Arkham.
That’s why in my honest opinion, Batman is a representation of why our justice system is a failure, how many times will the joker escape for him to kill more? Only then for him to escape and do it again
Facts! The GCPD are useless. They’ll just aim their guns but will never fire?? They be having more opportunities to put him down than Batman and they do nothing.
There's a fanfic where a half dozen cops actually tried. ("The old, 'Shot-While-Trying-To-Escape-Trick.'") Trouble was, Joker had already seen this skit before (he actually had the gall to give them tips on how to hide evidence of their stunt), but he'd slipped their cuffs before they could switch them with the 'defective' cuffs that Joker was supposed to get out of. Things got 'Tragic. Simply Tragic.' after that.
I always understood why Batman didn’t kill the joker but what I never understood was why he didn’t lock up the joker in his own prison. Bruce is a multi billionaire and he never thought to make a special secret prison made for the joker. Arkham obviously wasn’t cutting it.
Because the Joker has diplomatic immunity as the ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations (unironically the plot of the comic book where the Joker snubbed Robin).
People always say that if Batman killed joker he’d end up like Batman who laughs but Golden Age Batman started out killing a few folks and he turned out fine. He lived a happy life with Selina for a while and didn’t turn evil
Honestly, I'd say it's a massive coin flip. Does he go on to kill his other villains while never losing his mind? Or does he completely lose his mind, become insanely powerful, and then attract the attention of the Batman Who Laughs?
@@m4sterpolk786there's a reason. If you kill the joker people would paint you as a saint when you've committed sin. People would justify it and if you killed another one they'd justify it everytime until eventually you're no different.
I'm really into the "Epic The Musical" about the Odyssey. One of the big themes is "Ruthlessness is Mercy upon ourselves." That sometimes it is better to become the monster so that you can protect.
If Batman won’t kill him, he should let the law do it. Joker enjoys his insanity and the immunity it gives him. Batman’s hope to rehabilitate Joker 🃏 is stupidity and insanity itself. Even Joker knows that. At least put him in maximum security lockup or send him to the Phantom Zone.
@blissisdivine How I would want to be treated would not matter. A murderer has no say in how he is treated, no matter what drove him to it. How many women and children must die before "love and understanding" change Joker. If that were me, I would expect society to want to destroy me. What do your platitudes mean to the survivors of a mass murderer's victims? Joker has himself admitted that it is too late to rehabilitate him. If killing Joker would make Batman the thing he professes to hate, then every law enforcement officer who has ever killed a criminal would be a monster. If he felt so guilty about killing Joker, he could surrender himself and voluntarily commit himself to Arkham Asylum. Living among other mass killers for a few months might change his mind. "Moral principles" mean nothing to the dead.
Lets not pretend Batman had to kill the joker to stop him, he could have paralysed him, labotomised him, done any number of things to put him out of commission but still breathing. The real reason the Joker still breathes is very simple, Plot Armour as Batman's most interesting & engaging villian, hence the script writers dont want to put him away and keep bringing him back for our entertainment 😅
Batman’s excuse is genuinely so stupid. If you really think that killing a mass murderer is bad maybe you shouldn’t be wandering the streets as some rich grifter in a bat costume that beats up criminals that are probably living in poverty.
They raised this question back in the 40's when the Joker was first introduced in the Batman comics. In those days, Batman actually killed off his villains and the writers and artists had to keep coming up with new villain ideas month after month. They knew they found Batman's true nemesis in the Joker and if they killed him off, it would hurt comic book sales and they've been milking that cash cow of a comic book dynamic ever since.
If Batman killed the Joker only good will come out of it. Joker won’t stop killing people, and it would only get worse if Batman weren’t to kill him. Some people just don’t deserve a second chance, and Batman’s given him too many.
Batman's inability to kill the Joker doesn't represent a strong morale code. But a WEAK WILLED INDIVIDUAL. If killing a psychopathic murderer is enough to turn you into the dark side, then your willpower is weak. Joker has only killed one time. Every time he killed someone else after you refused to kill him, that's your crime. Their death is on YOUR HANDS. There are second chances. Keyword SECOND. There shouldn't be third or the fourth or in Joker's chance the 10934th or some shit time. So many people died because of Batman. Ironic, Batman created way more orphans in Gotham thanks to the Joker.
Proving once and for all that Batman is the real monster in Gotham. He put himself in a position where the citizens of Gotham count on him to stop crime, but he never actually does. Batman only gets in the way and stops true heros from ending the madness and putting criminals down. The judicial system in Gotham just like in real life is broken. Only petty criminals serve time. Real monsters walk the streets freely every day. Batman is no hero!
I don’t blame Batman and James Gordon because they captured the Joker and did their job. I blame Gotham City that don’t put the Joker electric chair for all the heinous crimes he committed.
I always envisioned a storyline where, instead of killing the joker, Batman cured him of his insanity. Joker going back to the mental state of a normal average Joe before falling into that vast of toxins... ...and he'd have to live with the massive weight of all those people, those mothers, sons, husbands, wives and children who he had murdered. He'd have to shoulder that guilt for the rest of his life. And batman would walk off, letting him live with that.
To that I ask...who or why should they care then. The joker would be dead. Millions would be saved and no longer living in fear of him. He wins but in the end its a hollow victory. Because while he wins the battle long term he loses the war.
There's a thin line between hero and villain. Killing your enemies, no matter how justified, doesn't solve the problem; it only continues down a dark a twisted path. Batman knows this truth, and that's why he refuses to kill Joker. It's not a perfect answer, but it's still an effective one. Great video, Miri Dawn. ❤🎉
It doesn’t continue down a dark path…. It ends the dark path. Like if a man murdered 3k people each mouth and you can’t do nothing about it unless you kill him, you’d kill him. Unless you don’t care for the innocent like Batman. He has no care for them whatsoever that he lets joker kill innocence and uses the excuse “it’ll make me a monster” if I kill the joker
@@moneyallday6524I'm assuming that you're familiar with the Injustice timeline... That's essentially what Batman believes will happen to him, one necessary kill will then lead to the revelation that killing is the easiest way to snuff out crime... That will then lead to him killing other villains mercilessly, which will lead to his comrades condemning him, which will lead to Batman having to deal with his comrades in order to bound them to his will because it'll either be his way or the highway, just like how Batman makes it so that nobody kills when on a mission with him. We've already seen a story arc where killing corrupts, so it shouldn't be hard for you to understand that killing one can indeed lead to more bad in this verse... Injustice was horrible for everyone involved because Superman killed one person.
Keep in mind those numbers are just in that universe and doesn't include things like Emperor Joker or Injustice. Then there are those he didn't kill but made suffer like: Barbara, Gordon, Tim, Ace, & Bruce
I feel like Jason shouldn't asking the question "Why Batman won't kill The Joker" It should be "Why Gotham hasn't execute him" since we all know Joker is beyond redemption.
Wow that makes sense so that means Batman just has to come to terms with a sound resolve and move on to survive and fight to see another peaceful day and just handle these issues in the best way possible with support of course
When he mean I'd be the very thing I'm trying to stop it's a reference to the batman who laughs as when he does kill the joker he becomes even worse and kills the justice league.
If I remember right, in some timelines (or maybe all of them wherever he has these plans), he goes so far as to have the Joker be one of the contingency plans for himself if he ever goes rogue
While I can understand why Batman doesn’t kill. However, he’s killed more people letting joker live. While many of Batman’s other villains have done horrible things, I doubt anyone of them has a body count as high as Jokers.
Song: Heartbroke • Miri Dawn (2022)
Who's your favorite Batman villain?
Clayface for me.
Two face
It's a toss up between the Joker and the Riddler.
Joker
Death stoke
The First One Is Joker Second Is Two-Face,and Third Is Ra’s Al Ghul
Believe it or not, the tragedy of Jason's death depicted in the "Under the Red Hood" movie was literally nothing compared to the comic book's version. Originally, Jason fell for Joker's trap because he was looking for his mother, and after finding her, he realized too late that she worked for the clown and planned to betray her own son. After standing around smoking while ignoring her own son getting horribly beaten, she too was betrayed and locked in the warehouse, whereupon they are both killed in the explosion. The saddest thing here is that Jason tried to save her instead of just trying to escape alone, which shows what a good boy he was.
Trying to save someone that has betrayed you and left you for dead is not being a good boy. It means he was broken.
@@DwyaneWadeCountyshe was his mother. Everyone can’t help but feel compassion for their parents. Doesn’t matter how logical it is, they biologically can’t help but cave even a millisecond to them, and that’s when these disgusting wastes of spaces leap in and run a mile right over their own child’s corpse.
Look on the bright side. Trigon is Hell in this universe, so she definitely massively suffered for her betrayal.
@@NoriniaSmall correction, Trigon is one of the Lords of Hell in DC, Hell as in the Christian Hell does exist however but you are right to say that Trigon would be the one to likely claim her soul to torture.
Trigon loves Raven more than all of existence itself, a parent betraying their child would indeed be considered the greatest evil by a being even like him.
Batman knowing this, went on to save Joker from Death Row because he didn’t commit the only crime Gotham courts ruled he couldn’t claim insanity on
Which movie is it bro?
Joker murdering a bunch of babies
Batman “your going back to Arkham Asylum Joker where you will never hurt anyone again”
Joker: 🗿
Batman: “If you kill a killer the amount of killers in the world remains the same…”
Red hood: “What if you kill two killers?”
Batman: 🗿
Lock Up is getting an aneurysm thinking about it.
@@nunyabiznes33 🗿
Give that man the death sentence.
@@dragonballspaghetti154 Or you know, use Bruce Wayne's massive wealth to fund a more secure Arkham.
Ive never questioned why Batman doesn't kill the Joker. I question why no one else has.
A lot of times, it's because Batman not only doesn't kill him but actively protects him.
In a cross over story the Punisher nearly killed the Joker and Batman stopped him.
I used to question why Gotham's justice system didnt kill Joker, but I forgot this is Gotham we're talking about
That's easy, it's because the Joker is batman's lover so he actively keeps him safe, that's why
@@bread5384cause he could plead insanity and get away with it. Don't agree with it but that's the most plausible explanation imo.
How Joker isn’t on death row is beyond me
If Gotham (along with Metropolis) are in New Jersey, that's why.
@Rashaed crazy thing is Metropolis has death row. Lex Luthor was sentenced to death after his crimes were proven in all star and a murderer was executed in superman tas.
I think the in universe answer is because Joker keeps using the insane plea even though he would've surpassed the limits for it IRL.
The actual answer is because Joker is too popular for the writers to kill off but that's a boring explanation.
Because of Batman.
@@Lazyguy143 In real life Joker doesn't even qualify for the insanity plea. He's sane enough to know what he's doing, and understand the concept of death.
Plus it's not uncommon fo the judge and jury to just ignore those.
it could be that its a comic but im not sure.
Everyone is like "Why doesn't Batman kill?" Or "Batman should kill the Joker!". Meanwhile, I'm like "Why doesn't the justice system execute his ass. Oh, don't give me that insanity excuse. Joker is proven repeatedly to be more dangerous than any insane person. The electric chair should be his last act on Earth."
Because the writers won't let him. That unfortunately is the only reason. There is absolutely no canon reason, so we have to just look at the meta reason. When you have a character like the Joker, the only answer is that unsatisfying one.
Its also because Joker is still Human. And we as human have still rights and therefore gave right judgement.
Because if there is an act of killing for justice then almost all villain would be killed by now. But the problem is some are still willing to change thats why batman is against killing.
But yet again yah they should atleast have a rule to execute if the risks are too high to be free. Like joker dont give a dam anymore and just want to kill atleast lex luther is sane enough to understand to destroy superman because he is too strong to be alive yet still cares for humanity.
@@applespree2815 Lex Luthor has occasionally tried to destroy the world. Though there has been occasions where even he is sent to execution, not that it worked all the time. Also if a "sane" person kills someone and not part of the hero's rogue's gallery, straight to the electrocution chair. However if the Joker nukes a city, a slap on the wrist and sent to Arkham while leaving the cell door unlocked and giving Joker the key.
What people should actually be asking is why the hell doesn't Bruce Wayne fund a more secure Arkham?
@@applespree2815you won't be saying that when he kills you're love ones human are neutral the word rights is just away to help us there's no real rights of you were in court with a rich and influence man who kill you're lover or something
@@mohammadharithzafranmahadh6174 Brother. What I meant was rights as I mean relation to the Law.
For lets say Joker killed my Love ones. Should I use my rage for vengeance or justice? If I kill joker then Batman would just beat me up for a cause of murder. But it really depends on the person. Whether they would seek revenge in a harmful way (Nightwing style) or in a cold blooded way (Red Hood stlye).
Or you are questioning me in not a DC Way. Well thats my own problem to take care of.
Remember this is DC problem. Not a real life.
"Jason, the writer needs to milk me"
"Understandable have a nice day"
Exactly
I like a good milking 😊
Poor Jason. Keep in mind that he accomplished some truly magnificent things as Robin that very few sidekicks can dream of, such as directly defeating Warlord Mongul or being admitted into the Teen Titans. He must have thought as the Joker hit him with the crowbar him that he deserved a more heroic ending.
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@@austinglass1916 bruh you don’t get it do you the absolute detective is chatGPT commenting on every dc short 5 times
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@@slappyjo1046 I don’t think he’s a bot tho, just some dude who enjoys watching TH-cam 😂
@@austinglass1916 nobody human comments that many times that long on so many videos
The real reason Batman won't kill the Joker is because the Joker is just too popular a villain,it fact the Joker was to be a one time villain when he was introduced in Batman issue 1 killed off at the end,yet the then head of DC comics said the Joker was too good a villain and insisted he be used again.
Okay, so why the hell doesn't Bruce Wayne fund Arkham's security and ensure Batman actually has some legitimacy when saying that he's going to take Joker to Arkham *where he'll never hurt anyone again.* I mean, if DC says he can apparently solely fund a space station, why can't he simply turn one building into the greatest max security fortress the world has ever seen?
@@alduintheanti-dragonborn It wouldn't stop corrupt individuals from taking bribes from people like Black Mask or Lex Luthor to help get him out. There's always going to be some dipshit with too much money that's willing to pay or blackmail someone because they think they can "control" Joker.
@@alduintheanti-dragonbornit would first of all give away his identity because why would a billionaire do that. Why doesn’t Lex Luthor fund Arkham. Second, he has tried in comics where people know Bruce is Batman it doesn’t stop the people the villains have on their payroll working in Arkham and it never goes to the right place.
@@gamingwithcori8521 Even if he doesn't want to reveal his identity and he doesn't want a corrupt Arkham getting more money, he should still find a way to stop allowing criminals and psychopaths who murder dozens every weekend to escape their confinement and roam around Gotham.
You know what? Give Batman prep time. He'll find a way with that. That's what every fan says at least.
@@alduintheanti-dragonborn I think that Batman should just send joker to the phantom zone
Superman: "Whatever Bruce. 😐" *Snaps Joker's Head*
Batman: "NOO, what have you done??!?!!, now the writ- UHM, now, each kills will get easier and easier, it's just all an *INJUSTICE title card appears*"
Superman would never, he hates killing more then Batman
Why Batman won't kill Joker runs deeper than you think. Joker and Batman see eachother as the same, men who after a significant event in their lives were changed forever. Batman won't kill the Joker because if there is any hope that he can be redeemed then there's hope he can too, Joker meanwhile wants Batman to kill him more than anything, he needs to know that he's not alone, that he's not a mistake, that anyone if pushed hard enough will abandon their convictions and morals like he did.
In the Killing Joke, when Barman admits that he wont kill him because he still has hope, Joker actually breaks character to tell Batman "Sorry, no, it's far too late for that." It was that moment Batman got his answer, that there would never be any going back, that the boy in that alley died woth his parents and the dark knight is all there ever will be. So in the final page of the comic, Batman does kill the Joker as they laugh at one last Joke, Batman accepts his fate, and the Joker's final moment is one of peace knowing that he wasn't alone.
So joker won
And they say Batman win via prep
Dang… that’s hard. What’s even sadder is the fact that Batman thought he was so terrible that he was on the same level as Joker, when in reality he’s a much much MUCH better man than him. Remember Ace the meta human?
Even worse, he CAN be more than the dark knight: he can be the Bruce that his loved ones care about underneath that mask. He thinks he is alone, but he’s got people in his corner no matter what.
So it makes batman incompetent. Got it.
@jarielwilliams9856 How? It shows hope is both good and bad in this situation. Good because most times it will give people something to latch onto. Bad in this case because he was given the answer yet he still has hope which leaves people in danger.
@@NickJaime So...Relying on the fact...That the Joker can be redeemed...While he has shown no effort of changing, can't feel remorse, constantly ends people and puts many individuals in danger. And yet batman won't end it all. Thus proving that batman is incompetent.
Me: *Wondering why Batman doesn't at the very least cripple Joker permanently so he won't be running around.*
Joker would probably do an ass pull and get someone to to inject the doomsday syringe in him like in Batman the devastator
@@hellloo9950
Very unlikely
@@j-dawg4774 considering the other asspulls and their escalation it’s probably likely that he would do something unrealistic af
I immagined a story once were the joker is escapeing batman again but manages to lose him on a rooftop, but then someone with the face obscured finds him by chance and points a gun at him; the joker is unimpressed until this guy start shooting at him in the abdomen, the joker is shocked by the calm of this person (we never see his/her face) and starts to panic becouse he realise that that's it. Batman arrives having heard the shots and while the joker is dying asks just "why?" not in an angry tone, just a single question. The shooter lowers the weapon and says "Becouse if I was someone forced to witness my alter ego do half the atrocities he has done, I would have begged for this to happen a long time ago. Treat others the same way you want to be treated " and the joker dies while desperate becouse he realize that the guy who killed him did it with a clear conscience and is not a broken soul like him.
This should be canon
"He's killed innocents, mothers, and children"
I knew it! Mothers and their kids are NEVER innocent!
WTF-
Could you imagine hearing "Batman started killing" as a criminal
Arguably batman not ending the jokers reign of terror cost far more than 1 life.
If the joker died to someone, then no one will blame you for the actions. Some may even see you as a saint except for batman. There's a line between stability and insanity. Batman suffers from insanity complex. He thinks if he institutionalized Joker, then he can be redeemed in time. He does this over and over again in the hope of gaining results. You can't just fix this level of crazy.
Sometimes death is the *ONLY* answer for men like him. I mean, he's willing to actually kill darkseid for Damien but won't kill the Joker. The only difference is that one is a man, and the other is a God of destruction.
Darkseid is an unfair comparison to Joker, as he literally is known for destroying ENTIRE PLANETS
But there’s been times where Batman has decided the line needed to be crossed, and not just with Joker.
There’s an alternative ending to Injustice, where instead of Superman killing Joker, Batman does, right in front of Commissioner Gordon, and immediately turns himself in
There’s also the time when Lex Luthor was “elected” president, and forced Superman’s hand with the threat of a worldwide nuclear war, and Batman says, verbatim, in response to Superman killing Luthor, “it had to be done!”
Whenever it’s the only option, he’s willing. But he’s convinced himself that Joker can be saved
@fanamatakecick97 I remember that time. It usually ends with batman snapping his neck or by some other means.
The opening to the batman who laughs, he snapping his neck.
The injustice alternative time, he snapping his neck for going after Lois and her baby once more.
Batman bloodstorm where he was killed by Dracula and brought back as a vamp.
Batman JLA, where he killed Joker due to him taking down robin and batgirl.
Personally, I like it when Superman killed him with a death punch to the chest. Man was not in DC. He was in Mortal Kombat.
@@omegalegion1769
Joker had the best response to Supes punching him, too. “Now that’s… a punchline!”
@@fanamatakecick97 looks like he had the last laugh
@@omegalegion1769
The most frightening part about Joker is that he doesn’t have to alive in order to win
That's a 9/11 worth of deaths.
No doubt he will be swatted and hunted, but knowing batman, he'd intercept the swat team to save him.
@@j-sant-animations8105literally 💀 Batman cares more about saving the villains than the actual people he killed
@@israelwilson4022the day Batman kills joker is the day he has to retire because then he starts killing two face, penguin, billy who robbed the jewelry store, to killing lex Luthor, that corrupt politician who lives on 3rd street, basically he would be considered a national threat and they would use all their resources to have him eliminated just like what they did in the dark knight returns
@@gamingwithcori8521 yeah I ain’t falling for that excuse
Batman has had the harshest training mentality and physically yet he doesn’t have a strong enough mentality to put someone down? Riiiight, truth is Batman is a victim of bad writing cuz the writers want more cash grabs and have to make excuses cuz their audience ain’t stupid
@@israelwilson4022 the whole training mentally is built on that one rule
The "no kill rule" is what holds his sanity together
It was a promise to his parents a promise that gave him the drive to become Batman
Ngl, it's pretty funny to think that the original reason Jason was resurrected was because Superboy-Prime said: "ThIngs wErE coOlEr iN MY TimE. LeT Me FIx It..."
😂😂😂
That sounds like a "you" problem, Bruce...
So Batman basically admitted that he’s just as insane as the people he fights
He watched his parents get murdered as a child. I think that should be obvious. He is constantly battling to keep himself from falling off the edge, and he's afraid that if he killed someone, that would be the final push.
Basically, he doesn't trust himself.
Send him to the Phantom Zone. Arkham is a revolving door.
Keaton's batman doesn't have to hear all that, he stop the villans with no problem if it's necesary.
Which is more consistent with the character’s roots. Batman has been killing people since he first appeared in comics. It’s funny how movies that have Batman being the most self-righteous about having “no-kill rules” actually show him killing WAY more people than Keaton ever did. At least he was honest about it. Sometimes it’s just unavoidable & necessary. No need to lose sleep over it.
"You are full of batshit, batman."
-Red hood, probably-
The real reason Batman won't kill the joker is because the writers/fans won't let him.
Batman doesn’t kill Joker because secretly he’s in love with him and routinely thinks “I can fix him.”
Also early Batman: *Tries to kill the Penny Plunderer*
The Batman Who Laughs didnt happen cause Bruce changed as a person,he was simply poisoned and it kept becoming worse due to dark multiverse energy etc
The question isn’t why batman doesn’t kill, but why the heck the gcpd doesn’t put him into death row whenever batman turns him in
Because Joker pleads insanity every time and all of the Northeast coast of America (where Gotham is located) has outlawed the death penalty.
Batman knows that he walks on the edge. He understands that a big enough push could send him to the wrong side. He knows that killing Joker could save millions, but it could also be the catalyst for him becoming a Villain, which could end up with millions dead anyway under the right circumstances. That's why he aways tries to save people even if they don't deserve it
Killing someone to stop them from murdering others doesn't make you evil. Not stopping them, when you have the power to, makes you not only weak, but evil as well.
THANK YOU
To quote Batman: “We aren’t executioners”
To be precise, Bruce is outright admitting that, were he to cross that threshold, he wouldn’t stop. It wouldn’t stop with Joker. It wouldn’t stop with Penguin. Wouldn’t stop with Riddler, Two-Face, or Freeze. How long before he finds reasons to kill members of the Justice League?
This is the aspect of his character you refuse to acknowledge, or even try to understand. You probably will think “that’s ridiculous. Joker clearly deserves it” and find some way to downplay Bruce’s own mental illness-and make no mistake, Batman is very much clinically insane, which is why Strange has such an obsession with him.
The point is: he wouldn’t stop killing
@@fanamatakecick97 think of it like this though, would you rather let a villain who could kill thousands roam the world and constantly get out of prison so he could kill thousands more or kill him and be down 1 less villain and spare many more people. Regardless of whether you kill a villain or not many more villains are gonna spawn it’s better to thin the herd of villains and cut down on the innocent casualties than let the villain live while many more are spawning alongside that villain you left alive this adding to the problems you already have
@@tenryuublackrose2176
You missed the point. Batman would become the Joker
Finally someone with a brain says it
Crazy how nobody has managed to shank the Joker when Bats wasn't looking
Joker is just as much a master of combat as Batman.
@stock_movie1875 He's not even close to how good Batman is.
@@thatpersonyoudontknow4509 you clearly haven't paid attention to the comics then
@stock_movie1875 He is strong and a good fighter, but nothing close to Bat "I know all martial arts in the world" Man
Okay but that doesn't explain why he goes out of his way to save the Joker from being killed. But we all know the real reason he won't. Marketing, baby!
My best guess: Batman knows that he and Joker really aren't different. Both of them are insane, their insanity only manifests in different ways. Batman probably sees himself in the Joker and thinks that if the Joker can be saved, so can he. So he doesn't give up on Joker, cause that would be the same as giving up on himself.
Murders a crime and Batman stops crimes, it's who he is.
In a completely sane world a man hunt will commissioned to eliminate the Joker as a mass serial killer.
Exactly, even in the most corrupt shithole they'd be sending hitmans to kill him or make him commit "suicide" like they did with Epstein. Just think of all the families he left broken using their savings to have him killed.
Speaking of "A Death in the Family," I've always found pretty fascinating the alternate page the authors made in case fans voted for Jason to live, which shows a blissful Batman holding Jason's body while yelling, "He's alive! Thank God!" I wonder how the Batman stories would have continued from that point if that page was the one used at the end. Anyway, it was colored and featured in "Batman Annual 25", the special issue that tells how Jason was revived, as "the reality that should have been", according to the narrator. They should have definitely adapted it for the interactive film
Bro shut da hell up
Let's be real, if Batman started killing and getting gun-training, he would be peak human above Punisher or Rambo! He can literally invent drones and sent them around Gotham to neutralize all his villains, the crime will be reduced in like 3 days or less!
Jokes aside, a Batman without morals would be fucking scary!
He already is above them
look at the dark knight universe with "the batman who laughs"
@@cheeseburgerlazers
Starts taking over other universes, too
So he is basically Superman but without powers , just plot amour and money
We already have that he's called Thomas Wayne
Batman won't kill Joker after he killed millions but would break every bone in random citizen for jaywalking 😂😂
Mystery Men answered this question the best.
If Batman killed Joker, or any of his villains, the city would stop needing him.
Batman beyond's setting says otherwise about the killing part since said villains are gone but the problem still exists.
But you're probably right about Bruce's motivations, because with his intelligence and funds he could simply just train and equip Gotham pd.
@@mksmikeThe GCPD? That's always shown to be 85% corrupted at minimum?
@@mksmike
So how is that going to stop the 30-50 Gotham pd Members who are corrupt
It's basically giving a mugger a military training to mug more efficiently
Batman has a moral AND practical reason for not killing. By not killing, his alliance with Gordon and the GCPD is far less controversal. If he kills, no Gordon help. This should be explored more.
But Batman does kill.
He’s killed a lot of people both in the comics & the movies.
@@nebulous6660those are other versions. True Batman doesn’t kill
@@jsmoke2657 If you want the "true version" you go to the source material. The origins of the character. He's been killing since the beginning. Your preferred version is not the "true version", it's just what you would like for the character. Any time he punches someone, kicks them, knocks them out or breaks bones he's rolling the dice with killing those people. That's why no-kill rules are childish & have not applied to the character when he was created.
Even if that is true, Batman doesn't have a moral/practical reason for not neutralizing or isolating the Joker so he isn't a danger to anyone... outside of the DC editors and writers not wanting to get rid of Joker.
Joker: uses the heads of newborns for a game of whack-a-mole along with a spiked mace.
Batman: "you are going to Arkham forever."
Joker: "Im thinking the only insane person here is actually you dude. You literally keep doing the same thing expecting a different result."
You know what i thought about why not cripple joker when i mean cripple i mean CRIPPLE break him permanently break his spine his hands feet legs fingers anything that allows grabbing and walking then no more joker hes broken beyond repair so why not rll ???
Edit: he will still be alive and a crazy man whos kinda already lost so yuh break them hands and legs 🦵 then spine he will be alive but won't hurt anyone else therefore not breaking the /no kill\ rule
I'm not asking Batman to kill him. I'm asking Batman to turn him in to Central City. He's not escaping Flash's City.
No redeeming a psychopath.
Joker: *talks about Batman on whatever stuff he’s usually in*
Any of Us: oh no… *blast him down with bullets* anyways
The comic book "The Batman who laughs" answers this very question.
I like the explanation that Batman isn't this highly moral, sane person. He is a broken, insane man, just like Joker, that's why they are often presented as two sides of the same coin, but with a moral code for justice he must never break, which seperates him from Joker. He fears that the moment he takes one life, which would be EASY to him by his own admission (he thinks about it every day), he wouldn't be able to stop. Not because killing someone makes you a psycho. It's that Bruce Wayne is on a thin line of sanity and insanity. But he's balancing like a God on that thin line to try to better Gotham.
That's why he can never allow himself to kill anyone, even the Joker. Because as he says himself, if he allows himself to go there, he'll never return.
It's probably the best and darkest explanation as to why he doesn't kill the Joker. Although why he actively protects him is beyond me. Would solve all his problems.
He's adrift in the same sea of madness as the Joker, both caused by one bad day. But Batman's one rule is a life preserver, keeping his head above the water. Breaking his one rule mean he lets go, banking on the hope that he can tread water long enough to not sink. But no one can keep that up forever; eventually he'll break and drown in the poisonous waters. And then he'll just be one more patient at Arkham.
"because he's a good villain, I need him for...you know, have stories"
That’s why in my honest opinion, Batman is a representation of why our justice system is a failure, how many times will the joker escape for him to kill more? Only then for him to escape and do it again
Or tbh...Batman has literally caught Joker countless times, maybe the state should put the Joker on death row instead of asking Batman to be a killer
Yes indeed.
@@rorschac009oo8 lol true
Love the song it's sad to turn a corner make choices, and can't go back. Why end all it Stop this all dang rip all away.
Better question: why hasn’t GCPD killed the Joker?
Facts! The GCPD are useless. They’ll just aim their guns but will never fire?? They be having more opportunities to put him down than Batman and they do nothing.
They are secretly supporting the villans maybe.
There's a fanfic where a half dozen cops actually tried. ("The old, 'Shot-While-Trying-To-Escape-Trick.'") Trouble was, Joker had already seen this skit before (he actually had the gall to give them tips on how to hide evidence of their stunt), but he'd slipped their cuffs before they could switch them with the 'defective' cuffs that Joker was supposed to get out of.
Things got 'Tragic. Simply Tragic.' after that.
I always understood why Batman didn’t kill the joker but what I never understood was why he didn’t lock up the joker in his own prison. Bruce is a multi billionaire and he never thought to make a special secret prison made for the joker. Arkham obviously wasn’t cutting it.
"If you kill a killer, they number of killers would remain the same" ~BatBale 2008
Batman is an agent of chaos. Thats why he never truly stops chaos.
Batman secretly is in collaboration with joker playing tag to hide their evil plans and protecting each other.
Be thankful that’s how many he killed in your universe Jason. In the injustice universe he bombed metropolis and killed 11 million.
Yeah because lex luthor does it in main continuity
@@ASS-tb3mq Really?
@@Lone_Wolf91 do u know the amount of deaths lex luthor and the rest of Superman rouges have done these people are batman rouges on steroids
@@Lone_Wolf91 lex luthor blew up a newly revived kryptonian civilisation just to see superman lonely again
"No More! All the people I've murdered, by letting you live."
For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing.
It was so close to the funny bfdi number
Because the Joker has diplomatic immunity as the ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations (unironically the plot of the comic book where the Joker snubbed Robin).
I like how mothers and children aren’t counted as innocents to Jason.
People always say that if Batman killed joker he’d end up like Batman who laughs but Golden Age Batman started out killing a few folks and he turned out fine. He lived a happy life with Selina for a while and didn’t turn evil
Yeah but Golden Age Batman is no longer the canon version of him anymore.
@@struggleskywalker1025But the logic keeps the same. Why the hell killing a villain makes you turn evil, simple like that? As someone like BATMAN?
Honestly, I'd say it's a massive coin flip.
Does he go on to kill his other villains while never losing his mind?
Or does he completely lose his mind, become insanely powerful, and then attract the attention of the Batman Who Laughs?
@@m4sterpolk786there's a reason. If you kill the joker people would paint you as a saint when you've committed sin. People would justify it and if you killed another one they'd justify it everytime until eventually you're no different.
@@stock_movie1875 exactly
I'm really into the "Epic The Musical" about the Odyssey.
One of the big themes is "Ruthlessness is Mercy upon ourselves."
That sometimes it is better to become the monster so that you can protect.
If Batman won’t kill him, he should let the law do it. Joker enjoys his insanity and the immunity it gives him. Batman’s hope to rehabilitate Joker 🃏 is stupidity and insanity itself. Even Joker knows that. At least put him in maximum security lockup or send him to the Phantom Zone.
@blissisdivine How I would want to be treated would not matter. A murderer has no say in how he is treated, no matter what drove him to it. How many women and children must die before "love and understanding" change Joker. If that were me, I would expect society to want to destroy me. What do your platitudes mean to the survivors of a mass murderer's victims? Joker has himself admitted that it is too late to rehabilitate him. If killing Joker would make Batman the thing he professes to hate, then every law enforcement officer who has ever killed a criminal would be a monster. If he felt so guilty about killing Joker, he could surrender himself and voluntarily commit himself to Arkham Asylum. Living among other mass killers for a few months might change his mind. "Moral principles" mean nothing to the dead.
Lets not pretend Batman had to kill the joker to stop him, he could have paralysed him, labotomised him, done any number of things to put him out of commission but still breathing.
The real reason the Joker still breathes is very simple, Plot Armour as Batman's most interesting & engaging villian, hence the script writers dont want to put him away and keep bringing him back for our entertainment 😅
In a way, Batman killed all those people by letting the joker live
Same way Jason Todd was killing innocent people in recent comics No Bruce isn’t responsible for their actions
yup batman is one of the villains
No
no
Batman’s excuse is genuinely so stupid. If you really think that killing a mass murderer is bad maybe you shouldn’t be wandering the streets as some rich grifter in a bat costume that beats up criminals that are probably living in poverty.
Jason: oh, well in that case leave it to me.
Batman refusing to gain super powers by going against his own words. No hypocrite here
Raiden: Why you don't give him fate worse than death
Batman: ....
They raised this question back in the 40's when the Joker was first introduced in the Batman comics. In those days, Batman actually killed off his villains and the writers and artists had to keep coming up with new villain ideas month after month. They knew they found Batman's true nemesis in the Joker and if they killed him off, it would hurt comic book sales and they've been milking that cash cow of a comic book dynamic ever since.
The day Batsy kills Pudding is the day that the former will catch the joke of the latter, thereby becoming the Laughing Bat.
"Id become the very thing im trying to stop, chaotic supervillain" love him or hate him, hes speaking facts
Heidelberg
If Batman killed the Joker only good will come out of it. Joker won’t stop killing people, and it would only get worse if Batman weren’t to kill him.
Some people just don’t deserve a second chance, and Batman’s given him too many.
@@BBCCIMABatman would then just take his place
8 year old who doesn’t even know what a fact is, do me a favour and stick to school kid.
"he died because batman wouldn't kill him." times 2.753
The batman who laugh is an exam
"i became what i sought to destroy"
-karen who lost her identity because a she became the manager and a different karen showed up
A murdering Batman would be the most unstoppable force in the universe. You wouldn't want to see that
Batman's inability to kill the Joker doesn't represent a strong morale code. But a WEAK WILLED INDIVIDUAL. If killing a psychopathic murderer is enough to turn you into the dark side, then your willpower is weak. Joker has only killed one time. Every time he killed someone else after you refused to kill him, that's your crime. Their death is on YOUR HANDS. There are second chances. Keyword SECOND. There shouldn't be third or the fourth or in Joker's chance the 10934th or some shit time. So many people died because of Batman. Ironic, Batman created way more orphans in Gotham thanks to the Joker.
Proving once and for all that Batman is the real monster in Gotham. He put himself in a position where the citizens of Gotham count on him to stop crime, but he never actually does. Batman only gets in the way and stops true heros from ending the madness and putting criminals down. The judicial system in Gotham just like in real life is broken. Only petty criminals serve time. Real monsters walk the streets freely every day. Batman is no hero!
I don’t blame Batman and James Gordon because they captured the Joker and did their job. I blame Gotham City that don’t put the Joker electric chair for all the heinous crimes he committed.
I always envisioned a storyline where, instead of killing the joker, Batman cured him of his insanity. Joker going back to the mental state of a normal average Joe before falling into that vast of toxins...
...and he'd have to live with the massive weight of all those people, those mothers, sons, husbands, wives and children who he had murdered. He'd have to shoulder that guilt for the rest of his life.
And batman would walk off, letting him live with that.
People think joker is easy to kill but it’s all a mind game when he dies he wins when he beats you he wins when he gets satisfaction he wins.
When he dies he doesn’t win. Because there’s a difference between killing 2k people and killing 1 man that will end all the pain and suffering
To that I ask...who or why should they care then.
The joker would be dead. Millions would be saved and no longer living in fear of him.
He wins but in the end its a hollow victory. Because while he wins the battle long term he loses the war.
@@rushalias8511literally 😭
@@rushalias8511 killing the joker is the worst thing you can do
@samgladiator3257 how...how is it the worse thing you can do
There's a thin line between hero and villain. Killing your enemies, no matter how justified, doesn't solve the problem; it only continues down a dark a twisted path. Batman knows this truth, and that's why he refuses to kill Joker. It's not a perfect answer, but it's still an effective one. Great video, Miri Dawn. ❤🎉
It doesn’t continue down a dark path…. It ends the dark path. Like if a man murdered 3k people each mouth and you can’t do nothing about it unless you kill him, you’d kill him. Unless you don’t care for the innocent like Batman. He has no care for them whatsoever that he lets joker kill innocence and uses the excuse “it’ll make me a monster” if I kill the joker
@@moneyallday6524I'm assuming that you're familiar with the Injustice timeline... That's essentially what Batman believes will happen to him, one necessary kill will then lead to the revelation that killing is the easiest way to snuff out crime... That will then lead to him killing other villains mercilessly, which will lead to his comrades condemning him, which will lead to Batman having to deal with his comrades in order to bound them to his will because it'll either be his way or the highway, just like how Batman makes it so that nobody kills when on a mission with him.
We've already seen a story arc where killing corrupts, so it shouldn't be hard for you to understand that killing one can indeed lead to more bad in this verse... Injustice was horrible for everyone involved because Superman killed one person.
@@iRobins.injustice was poorly written tho
@@AkashVerma-bp1cpno it was pretty good
@@iRobins. Injustice was poorly written. Batman and Superman acted like two different characters the whole series.
"I got a lopunny, batman... i got a lopunny"
Super man in that one movie:I've had enough of your shit joker
Keep in mind those numbers are just in that universe and doesn't include things like Emperor Joker or Injustice. Then there are those he didn't kill but made suffer like: Barbara, Gordon, Tim, Ace, & Bruce
Jason is my favorite member of the bat family.
I feel like Jason shouldn't asking the question "Why Batman won't kill The Joker" It should be "Why Gotham hasn't execute him" since we all know Joker is beyond redemption.
But whatsoever , the "Batman who laughs" is still causing chaos in a alternate universe 💀
I always figured the reason why was a bit simpler.
If he started killing. He wouldn't be able to stop.
This song brings a tear to my eye
The Batman Who Laughs
It’s not to be taken as a criminal offense but to live to fight another day
Joker has killed 2753 people… I thought there’d be more
Killing the Joker is not Batman's Job. It's job of the Justice and Court System who process the Joker after he is caught and arrested.
Punisher: Hold my beer
Wow that makes sense so that means Batman just has to come to terms with a sound resolve and move on to survive and fight to see another peaceful day and just handle these issues in the best way possible with support of course
The real question: why didn’t the govt kill the joker? I don’t think even the insanity defense could excuse joker’s action nor mental state.
Why haven’t the govt, cia, feds, sent army of spec ops assassins after him lmao
When he mean I'd be the very thing I'm trying to stop it's a reference to the batman who laughs as when he does kill the joker he becomes even worse and kills the justice league.
I guess sometimes being a hero requires the hardest of sacrifices
If I remember right, in some timelines (or maybe all of them wherever he has these plans), he goes so far as to have the Joker be one of the contingency plans for himself if he ever goes rogue
While I can understand why Batman doesn’t kill. However, he’s killed more people letting joker live. While many of Batman’s other villains have done horrible things, I doubt anyone of them has a body count as high as Jokers.