i totally agree with point that there is too much. when i play mobile game,i want to spend 2hrs ok 3hr at most per day playing it. and not all at once. now dont get me wrong i love playing games, but i do want versatile of games to have. if i want to play all day just diablo i would turn on my pc or ps5,i would not go on mobile (although technically i play DI on pc most of the time). for me mobile games are fun way to kill as i said 3hr at most during the day. now that servers having been merged its even more demanding to play all day. and i`m like on 30% reward at this point 357 prg i think was last. now my clan is strong one and we nned to play every day so we can be best on servers but man sometimes its to much. with this tempo i will soon get overwhelmed with DI that i already thinking on exit strategy so i can go and play for fun somehow. i love diablo,i love lore of diablo but man its getting too much
Bro tf? The problem is pay to win. Also it's just a bad ARPG. Go play Grim Dawn and if you don't have a PC, just emulate it for free on android. This game is outright pathetic and anyone who plays it has no idea of tye value of time
This! Deserves to be pinned! There should RNG with certain items but everything being RNG all the time is exhausting! It makes it challenging to improve your player
Thanks Echo, great video. I’d been having the same problem, getting tired and bored with the daily bounties grind to keep up with the paragon lvling. It’s hard to do any other activities when you’re trying to keep up. The sole reason I log- in and lvl my main and alts are to help my clan in Shadow War. Being a low spender, even with all my alts at paragon, I feel like just another body. I’d started playing watching your videos and learning. I had even join your clan at one time until a regime changed and booted me out. I think I got the most out of being a low spender and thank you for your guidance. Almost time to move on😓
You have practically said you're bored with the game, too, because you have not done much this week. I don't think people are really sick of the game it's just that all the task we do are for nothing because the rewards are useless and once your gear is above level 20 they are not giving us enough decent material to upgrade to 30, thus the boredom because you have farm like crazy to get minimal upgrade material. And with the price of the market one orange crest gets you a one star gem which only has a value of 500 platinum if you could sell it. So rewards need to be increased
NO! The answer is there are too many things that are just useless in the long run with little or super random rewards. Like grinding the 320 fading embers to get an eternal legendary crest that gives you one star legendary gems.
I would say the catch up mechanics don’t cut it. With all the caps/timers, even if you spent the money to max your gems, you’re so behind on keys, helliquary, and warband activities that you won’t stand against the other whales who have been there all along.
As for WB, you are wrong. Catch up mechanic is insane - 500%. My day one account has 1450 CR from WB tableau. An account I started playing about 2.5 mos ago has 1250 CR from WB Tableau. So you are crying for 200 CR? Gotta do WB, at least 1000 points per reset. Helliquary, yeah. Catch up is not as good. Could be better. Max is 70, which my day one account is now at, and you get nothing thereafter. So Day one players are now doing helliquary for no gain at all.
I can NEVER get a match in trial of Hordes…I mean other than the charity match in the beginning. I really feel there are enough things to keep me engaged in the game. As a returning player after a 1.5 year absence it’s really changed. I would love to see some love for the Monk class. My Monk toon has such a glass chin. I die fast and often but I am keeping the faith Diablo will show the Monk some love.
It's my experience as a player who've been playing since day one. End game players are forced to move to PVP. In order to make the daily grind worth it. If you're just a PVE player and a casual low spender player. Then the cost to upgrade equipment become unworth it. Days of grinding gets you small amounts of upgrade materials. Large amounts of materials to upgrade costs. Large amount of money. Which means you might not be able to pay the rent. So you're forced to grind it out.. And months of grinding in order to get one upgraded becomes frustrating. And all the time and money I have into this game. I definitely do not want to restart.
Pvp sucks. I used to pvp hours each day. But unless you spend tens of thousands, pvp becomes impossible bcz matchmaking is to feed low res players to whales as fodder. And simply put - THAT'S NOT FUN.
It's not overwhelming, the game is dying and Blizzard can't stop it. Is Blizzard paying you to put this out or is this really what you think is going on? We're going to find out Netease owns Susanexpress watch! There is no viable option at this point to generate Platinum in game the market is dead, I am even seeing whales now constantly complaining they are out of platinum and no way to generate it without buying orbs. The thought of Blizzard doing something to fix it is even scarier, considering not much has been fixed, other than them putting the fix on things in game to try and INSPIRE you to spend more cold hard cash to progress. Like anyone can see BG matchmaking is worse now than it ever was!!! Issues with crashes and the PC client are beyond stupid at this point. If they intend to keep the player base do something about the real problems with the game before adding another shitty event that no one cares to partake in like these stupid terror essences and zones that don't even drop runes. Buff the drop rate of runes, I have ran those 2 new zones so many times I can't count and haven't receive one single rune there, only from tower, dungeons and farming. The game has become a joke and Blizzard saying something is being fixed is an even bigger joke!
I am a returning player. I enjoy the game and all the events, however i have zero understanding about some of the game mechanics that were added since i last played. For example, pvp clans events or towers capturing. I sign up but never get the chance to play them as i don't get notified. I do have notifications on. Companions is another feature i dont understand how to manage. I end up sticking to a few game modes i am familiar with and thats it, but there is so much im missing, which makes it annoying and lowers motivation to play. As already mentioned, RNG is another factor that adds to frustration rather than to fun. I dont know how to get enough crests as f2p and being lucky if i get 3-4 normal crests a day. I never get a legendary gem drop from them, so leg gem progression is simply frustration. Next thing i don't understand how to manage combat points. Im paragon 355 with cp33300. How am i supposed to reach cp34900? Lastly, guilds and warbands are inactive. Whst to do? Maybe simplifying on normalizing the game is required, as well as optimizing rng.
@@Shagrath06 I can't find a warband, so im soloing all the helliquary raids solo. At the moment, I am only missing the last boss on Hell III to unlock Infernal I. I am constantly updating my helliquary, which is lvl28 i think. So, my cp is with the helliquary included. My current strategy is to replace my set gear with infernal quality. My current cp is close to 33700. Is upgrading gear enough to reach 34900?
I must say i am at the same state as you right now in the game. My events progress looks exactly the same as yours. I dont grind much, i play for fun. Started streaming pvp these days just for fun. There is so much to do, yet idk, feel like some thing is missing. Cant tell what that is. Like an in game goal maybe? Hoping the 2nd half of the year can fill up that missing piece in the game
I feel like bliz/NE focuses only on bringing new content instead of updating old content. IE: revamping contracts-bounties-new. Dungeons in existing’newer’ zone. IE: storm point, ancient’s cradle, Southern dreadlands, adding new side quests to newer zones. Etc.
No, the game is made simpler and simpler with each update... and it suffer for it. The Ancestral Tableau is the best example for it. It had a really great and complex mechanic; but most of the playerbase didnt understood it, so it was made a lot simpler... and now it is "just a button". I understand your point about things getting overwhelming... as the developers seem to change (what was previously) complexity with quantity. Additionally: I am sorry to say, but you should not chase paragon levels. You should chase CR, equipment level, normal gem level, legendary gem level... but not paragon. I literally see characters on server paragon level with too low CR... and they find it hard to progress as the system would like to push them into a higher difficulty level, for which they dont have the needed CR. The issue is, how to divide the game in such a way that it is enjoyable for casuals and grinders as well. But making the game or the game mechanics simpler will not solve that!
With I-2 looming the low CR people are feeling the pressure to jump now and pre-farm, how do I know this? The I-2 landscape is blooming with red tombstones.
@@Jcs57 The "catch up" mechanics give out XP like candy... but it does not give players higher CR... and without the CR a player will die fast. So if you leveled up too fast and you dont have the needed CR you cannot just go back to a lower level as (if I am not mistaken) your get less drops there. Basically the player is stuck... need more CR but cannot get it. That said... making the game simpler will not solve any of this.
I would also like to add, that I like the new terror rift mechanic. You do terror rift (hopefully in a party of 4 to also get normal gems); you get terror essences; you use these essences to do 10 helly bountys a week; and you get a 3/3 Legendary for it. Which is most cases is better CR than what you have. Is this system simple? No, it isnt. Is it rewarding? I think it is. So I am all for making the game more complex if you get something for it.
@@pinthyg I took six months off from the game to play D IV. When I jumped back in I couldn’t believe how fast l leveled up. Lots of drops in fact not counting purchased CR I surpassed most the players in the clan with CR in just about a month. The only thing they don’t give you to catch up is resonance. I came back in October and still get an occasional returner’s chest.
It's not too complicated. It's crashing constantly. It's battleground being 65-3 kills and they call it fair. It's that they keep making me do things that I don't care about to get get some rewards that won't mean anything for my character
You dont have to give up on diablo immortal but definitely keep an eye out for path of exile mobile when it comes out and possibly get a head start on content, i know you prefer mobile and POE mobile will be huge when it comes out, at the very least variety is the spice of life and could shake things up but also give new yet similar content for chanel! 😀 love the videos! Keep up the great work!
I love all the new things! There are certain parts of the game that I don’t enjoy like the bg and other whaley PvP parts but overall I love all the changes!
I don't think there's too much to do, per se. there's a lot of different things, granted, but all the different events attract all types of players. So each player finds their own little corner in the game, and it makes them happy. Some like the fishing, some like trial, some like this, some like that. it's all gravy ;)
The problem isn't the complexity and the variety. The problem is that as they add things, they don't make it take any less time to do the older things. Before the experience was less diverse, that's bad. Now we have so much to do it starts feeling like a job, that's bad. They need to make it take less time to do the things we previously did for the same rewards like make the 10-11 lairs from the goblin event to cap from double rewards permanent.
Hnestly, I dont think there is enough 'game' to keep people interested. I would like to see expanded story quests, true open world. If you take away the 'free rewards' ie Achievements, Trophies, Walk Thru Events the game is quite small. I often max/cap a lot of my progression by Friday.
I feel they need to scale back on the rng and p2w mechanics now at this point and let all players be competitive. They have already made their money and then some, they could keep the cash shop and sale comestics only and maybe a few gems but also make those gems easier to obtain In game without spending even if it is a grind. I would happily grind for a 5 star gem even if it took awhile. At least you would be getting something at the end that could have an impact.
Yes dude I just want triple magic/stat gear from hellslayers but you need to be 10levels above paragon and there is not enough time in my day to play that much.
The game is fine. I just don’t have the time to tweak builds, farm anything, and worry about new game mechanics when they come out. I will get to it when I do. I’ve almost been playing since the beginning and only have 1480 reso. Every time I log in it is like choosing your adventure.
According to me, Diablo Immortal is most developed Diablo franchise game so far and yet, it’s true that the game is not rewording enough to make any progress without significant investment. There to many things to do, image if you’re in Diablo 3 to pay GR all the time. I think we all are spoiled 😊
It’s a game of grinding for scraps with the option of being a crash test dummy for big spenders to test their high priced pixels on. The game has lost the script and the players are losing interest. PvP events are just trickle down economics, give the rich so much that eventually maybe something will fall your way. PvE has so many distractions it’s lost its relevance. Graphing my game hours from October when I jumped back into the game after a six month break until now and the last 2 months show a steady decline. I’m not saying it’s over, but I can see the end from here. I use to say I played because it was fun, now I’m struggling to figure out why I think that.
It is absolutely not to large and complicated! Large = variety. Some days i do terror rifts, some days I do verge, some days I do events.. I'm not trying to do every single thing possible every single day. Complexity = interesting. Long progression is why I continue to play. Easy catch up mechanics trivializes long progression. D4 has none of this and why I quit playing. D4 is dumbed down, has short progression, and not many things to do. I would quit Immortal if they turned into D4 mentaility. A lot of people who play D4 play a season for a few weeks then quit for a couple months, and come back. Immortal has something for people who play it as an mmo. And if they are a lot further progressed than a part time player, then that's how it goes.
Hey echo have you created video about your barbarian setup? been wanted to try this but im not sure what to build with it. thanks! more power! :) DiegoLokko - Kion Server!
P2W kills a lot of games. General pop wants to log in and have something to do daily while getting the gear they want for their toon. Average player doesnt understand what RNG is so they don't understand why they cant get upgradges. If you remember D2 we had an actual auction hall where you could buy gear...which was cool. The gem market crashed on my server so plat is harder to acquire which also adds to the discouragement of the game. So, no matter how much they give us, it will never be enough for those that spend little to no money to compete. Whales rule the server...while F2P and low spenders struggle.
You CAN avoid playing the P2W aspect here, just don't do PvP. The PvE is perfectly playable free to play. The only thing that i find annoying is the gambling for some of these event armor and weapons skin sets (i can't believe i forgot what they are called 😮💨)...
I think its not complicated at all. Most of problem is probably rooted on the feeling of lack of progression on resonance because of how platinum farming works right now. The lack luster event did not help as well, that was supposed to fill the mundane daily grind.
I do not find the game complex, use pets done use them, use ruins you find, no need to upgrade. The game can be as little or as much as you want it to be. I have some clan f olds that don’t bother with pets and the6 play just fine…. If people are frustrated, take a break play something else…. Don’t like it any more, move on.
They need to simplify it. I keep asking… how much funner was the double rewards event ?? Everyone was on. Start slimming down on all the time gated crap. Two wars and ROE. That’s three time requirements. Bump rewards… let people push their characters higher easier. Increased drop rates, more drops, more battle points. And lastly the whale luster is in bad shape. Especially with dead markets. Substantially decrease the prices for orbs and crests. You can only attract more purchases. Significantly increase the quantity of platinum. Seriously. With all the be when awakening and runes ect there is clearly a demand for gem power and platinum. But there is NO way to generate platinum anymore that is worth it. Amp up the rewards amp up the fun!
If they make pvp more playable and fun it would keep more players. Many getting frustrated having to switch to a freeze or CC build to have any gameplay.
the point is the game become less and less rewarding the ting we get from the game stay the same from the beginning maybe 10 % better lol its a joke but game become more and more expansive now we have have to rival the people that have 24 legendry gem slot top companion with not even F guide when the game start we have to have 6 legendry gem look so there was hope for people that spend 30-50 doller per mount in the game to get something no even that is gone 30 $ is not cheap you can play 2 mount of wow with that its 300- 400 per year meaning 5 or 6 top game or plystation 5 is gat become too much that is insulting to normal person its damaging to people psychology specialy if you young i am 39 form warcraft 1 i play bilzard games wow vanila and so on but this game after lunch even become less and less rewarding blizzard greed is so much that take fun from all spect of the game i think this game have to be 30+ years old game its damaging to people less and that and even to me i pay for the game and i know how much its worth becuas i play wow i can not even put a name on the blizzard doing ithink people behind must be in Prison and they will be.
My major thought is one quality of life changed they could do is make Paragon across all characters be the same so we don't have to always start over cuz honestly redoing Paragon is kind of annoying and would be nice to just have it across all characters no matter what character you create just like in Diablo 3 it should only start over if we create a new ladder character or something That's just my thoughts
If you take two pets with no yellow skills and meld them, you'll get one of them a yellow skills, meld that one with a pet with one yellow skill and ittl have 2 yellow skills, meld it with a pet with 2 yellow skills and you'll get 3 yellow skills and so forth ..
Hmm whats the easiest way to make a golden pet with to golden attributes below 170 to a orange one that makes the pet most cool looking i don't care about anything i just need the tier 3 look on my pet what's the easiest way@@garythompson8545
@@thelegacyofkain2672 You seem to be making assumptions on my power level in the game when all I did was mention the one time I spent $4. You don't know me but here you are laughing as if I just said that I was level 1000 whatever Paragon. I don't even play the game that often, but go on and laugh at your own joke.
1 Possible Solution, to at least some People's Issues could be Fixed by taking a Page from WoW's Book & make Different Servers for PvP, PvE, or Both. Change Events & Objectives/Achievements accordingly.
I don't care if it's pay2win or f2p just give us balanced pvp bruh ffs i just need similar lvl players and resonance lvl players in pvp i have 1.5res complete f2p just give me players around that with similar prg lvl if someone managed to get to 1.5res with paying i don't give a frick i just need a balanced pvp😢 combine the whole server or whatever just want a blanced pvp
For me is more of the endless grind with cookie cutter build, everything is speed blitz everything.. they should’ve opted to something like POE and restart every season. Cause at end game all you do is pop your skill and go in a big circle for farm or pop skill an run through the dungeon no real difficulties just time gated
For me that play when i have the time, it's to much todo now and some new event is just for people with highreso. I play the game with no money spending it's harder but more competive for me
It's the FOMO and time gated content that's the problem. Just put things in the game let us tackle them when we want. Elder rifts, Challenge rifts, Abyssal and Erebban rifts just sit there waiting for you which is how it should be. Whilst pretty much everything else has a timer on it and if don't do it you miss out on rewards. The FOMO needs to chill out.
They just add too much content ingame with layered RNG. Make it harder for casual player get progression. No character customisation. Capped everything.
There's too little, lmao. They have all these limited time events that go after a few days, never to be seen again, and then you're just stuck with doing bounties, dungeons, and weekly helliquaries.
Don't listen to the haters. Game is still fun as long as you're good at it (outside of resonance). I'm over 6k reso (in misery's clan) and if you're good reso is secondary. Keep fighting the good fight buddy. I love/appreciate all the videos.
Too mch boring daily stuff to keep up with, and scheduled stuff that requires you to log in at specific times. Also I hate the Event center forcing me to play game modes I don't like. Or play them more than I would.
Pet upgrades is shit. tax on selling items is way to much. Maybe 5% not 15%. Charms are pretty ridiculous to upgrade. Fix that stuff before adding more new stuff to get even more confused on. Rune system is ok, but should fix the other things first. How are shadow points accumulated & what events contribute to these points? Ive done some "shadow" activities and look at clan ranking and no points have been added. When are they calculated? There are so many different answers online i dont even know anymore. Simplify descriptions of stats.
there's too much to do so i have to choose what to do. i play everyday but only 2-3 hrs max. i have to let go a lot of stuff like bounties, it can feel like too much but you have to ignore a lot of the noise. :)
my problem on why i stopped playing diablo immortal is cause if you take a month off your CR suffers for it compared to the people who have played since launch because your behind on materials i dont like that
No its not, nobody point a gun on my head t do ALL. Some ppl enjoy pvp, others are just login for contracts/bounties and social aspect of their clan, some enjoy just to farm and kill stuff and so on. IF you want to do it all its on you. Same goes for investing. The only way this is frustrating is for ppl that are min maxers at heart and they want the game to have less content so they can have the time to do it ALL. WDYM fun modes takes out of your time ? What time :) U get online and do whats FUN for u, simple. I love your videos and ur my favorite DI reviewer, but for real thou... games are made for ppl with time. Nobody who creates game wont cater to ppl who dont have the time to spend inside. Imagine so many ppl quit for nothing to do cuz it suits the one that have 1 hr a day at the most. This is me btw... not flaming you, but i realize that i am not the target audience for game developers even thou i spend to 4k reso for fun. If anything i want more fun stuff cuz im bored with the old , raid bosses that dies within 20 sec and dumb bounties and contracts , they better add 3rd faction or spice things somehow.
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i totally agree with point that there is too much. when i play mobile game,i want to spend 2hrs ok 3hr at most per day playing it. and not all at once. now dont get me wrong i love playing games, but i do want versatile of games to have. if i want to play all day just diablo i would turn on my pc or ps5,i would not go on mobile (although technically i play DI on pc most of the time). for me mobile games are fun way to kill as i said 3hr at most during the day. now that servers having been merged its even more demanding to play all day. and i`m like on 30% reward at this point 357 prg i think was last. now my clan is strong one and we nned to play every day so we can be best on servers but man sometimes its to much. with this tempo i will soon get overwhelmed with DI that i already thinking on exit strategy so i can go and play for fun somehow. i love diablo,i love lore of diablo but man its getting too much
Any recommend pet for crusader pve
Terror rift: every 30 minutes. Problem is!!!!! Why they dont offer this all day?!? The time that i play rifts are closed
I think the game relies too much on RNG.
Thats every game lil bro without RNG game would be too ez
Bro tf? The problem is pay to win. Also it's just a bad ARPG. Go play Grim Dawn and if you don't have a PC, just emulate it for free on android.
This game is outright pathetic and anyone who plays it has no idea of tye value of time
This! Deserves to be pinned! There should RNG with certain items but everything being RNG all the time is exhausting! It makes it challenging to improve your player
Every single thing besides Runes is rng
@JoshuaSouthgate if you think this game is so pathetic, and the ppl that play it are to, then why do you watch these videos, aside from trolling?
Thanks Echo, great video. I’d been having the same problem, getting tired and bored with the daily bounties grind to keep up with the paragon lvling. It’s hard to do any other activities when you’re trying to keep up. The sole reason I log- in and lvl my main and alts are to help my clan in Shadow War. Being a low spender, even with all my alts at paragon, I feel like just another body.
I’d started playing watching your videos and learning. I had even join your clan at one time until a regime changed and booted me out. I think I got the most out of being a low spender and thank you for your guidance. Almost time to move on😓
you play alts in this ggame how its almost like a fulltime job
You have practically said you're bored with the game, too, because you have not done much this week. I don't think people are really sick of the game it's just that all the task we do are for nothing because the rewards are useless and once your gear is above level 20 they are not giving us enough decent material to upgrade to 30, thus the boredom because you have farm like crazy to get minimal upgrade material. And with the price of the market one orange crest gets you a one star gem which only has a value of 500 platinum if you could sell it. So rewards need to be increased
NO! The answer is there are too many things that are just useless in the long run with little or super random rewards. Like grinding the 320 fading embers to get an eternal legendary crest that gives you one star legendary gems.
Yes. The mobile currencies are too difficult to track for casuals.
I would say the catch up mechanics don’t cut it. With all the caps/timers, even if you spent the money to max your gems, you’re so behind on keys, helliquary, and warband activities that you won’t stand against the other whales who have been there all along.
Honestly, forget worrying about keys. The little benefit you get from the Horadrim isnt worth sweating. Focus on armpr pen and armor. Forget the rest.
As for WB, you are wrong. Catch up mechanic is insane - 500%. My day one account has 1450 CR from WB tableau. An account I started playing about 2.5 mos ago has 1250 CR from WB Tableau. So you are crying for 200 CR? Gotta do WB, at least 1000 points per reset.
Helliquary, yeah. Catch up is not as good. Could be better. Max is 70, which my day one account is now at, and you get nothing thereafter. So Day one players are now doing helliquary for no gain at all.
I can NEVER get a match in trial of Hordes…I mean other than the charity match in the beginning. I really feel there are enough things to keep me engaged in the game. As a returning player after a 1.5 year absence it’s really changed. I would love to see some love for the Monk class. My Monk toon has such a glass chin. I die fast and often but I am keeping the faith Diablo will show the Monk some love.
Ah, the good ol' "we want more!", blizzard complying, then "too much complexity" gag...
Honestly, some people can never be satisfied.
It's my experience as a player who've been playing since day one. End game players are forced to move to PVP. In order to make the daily grind worth it. If you're just a PVE player and a casual low spender player. Then the cost to upgrade equipment become unworth it. Days of grinding gets you small amounts of upgrade materials. Large amounts of materials to upgrade costs. Large amount of money. Which means you might not be able to pay the rent. So you're forced to grind it out.. And months of grinding in order to get one upgraded becomes frustrating. And all the time and money I have into this game. I definitely do not want to restart.
Pvp sucks. I used to pvp hours each day. But unless you spend tens of thousands, pvp becomes impossible bcz matchmaking is to feed low res players to whales as fodder. And simply put - THAT'S NOT FUN.
Im always broke with gold
Because each complicated issue is business of earning money. Money money money are important for Blizzard.
It's not overwhelming, the game is dying and Blizzard can't stop it. Is Blizzard paying you to put this out or is this really what you think is going on? We're going to find out Netease owns Susanexpress watch! There is no viable option at this point to generate Platinum in game the market is dead, I am even seeing whales now constantly complaining they are out of platinum and no way to generate it without buying orbs. The thought of Blizzard doing something to fix it is even scarier, considering not much has been fixed, other than them putting the fix on things in game to try and INSPIRE you to spend more cold hard cash to progress. Like anyone can see BG matchmaking is worse now than it ever was!!! Issues with crashes and the PC client are beyond stupid at this point. If they intend to keep the player base do something about the real problems with the game before adding another shitty event that no one cares to partake in like these stupid terror essences and zones that don't even drop runes. Buff the drop rate of runes, I have ran those 2 new zones so many times I can't count and haven't receive one single rune there, only from tower, dungeons and farming. The game has become a joke and Blizzard saying something is being fixed is an even bigger joke!
I am a returning player. I enjoy the game and all the events, however i have zero understanding about some of the game mechanics that were added since i last played. For example, pvp clans events or towers capturing. I sign up but never get the chance to play them as i don't get notified. I do have notifications on. Companions is another feature i dont understand how to manage. I end up sticking to a few game modes i am familiar with and thats it, but there is so much im missing, which makes it annoying and lowers motivation to play.
As already mentioned, RNG is another factor that adds to frustration rather than to fun. I dont know how to get enough crests as f2p and being lucky if i get 3-4 normal crests a day. I never get a legendary gem drop from them, so leg gem progression is simply frustration. Next thing i don't understand how to manage combat points. Im paragon 355 with cp33300. How am i supposed to reach cp34900? Lastly, guilds and warbands are inactive. Whst to do? Maybe simplifying on normalizing the game is required, as well as optimizing rng.
Helliquary alone gives you around 2000CR so try doing raids with matchmaking.
@@Shagrath06 I can't find a warband, so im soloing all the helliquary raids solo. At the moment, I am only missing the last boss on Hell III to unlock Infernal I. I am constantly updating my helliquary, which is lvl28 i think. So, my cp is with the helliquary included. My current strategy is to replace my set gear with infernal quality. My current cp is close to 33700. Is upgrading gear enough to reach 34900?
I must say i am at the same state as you right now in the game. My events progress looks exactly the same as yours. I dont grind much, i play for fun. Started streaming pvp these days just for fun. There is so much to do, yet idk, feel like some thing is missing. Cant tell what that is. Like an in game goal maybe? Hoping the 2nd half of the year can fill up that missing piece in the game
I feel like bliz/NE focuses only on bringing new content instead of updating old content. IE: revamping contracts-bounties-new. Dungeons in existing’newer’ zone. IE: storm point, ancient’s cradle, Southern dreadlands, adding new side quests to newer zones. Etc.
The game isnt complicated its just p2w garbage.
No, the game is made simpler and simpler with each update... and it suffer for it.
The Ancestral Tableau is the best example for it. It had a really great and complex mechanic; but most of the playerbase didnt understood it, so it was made a lot simpler... and now it is "just a button".
I understand your point about things getting overwhelming... as the developers seem to change (what was previously) complexity with quantity.
Additionally: I am sorry to say, but you should not chase paragon levels. You should chase CR, equipment level, normal gem level, legendary gem level... but not paragon. I literally see characters on server paragon level with too low CR... and they find it hard to progress as the system would like to push them into a higher difficulty level, for which they dont have the needed CR.
The issue is, how to divide the game in such a way that it is enjoyable for casuals and grinders as well.
But making the game or the game mechanics simpler will not solve that!
With I-2 looming the low CR people are feeling the pressure to jump now and pre-farm, how do I know this? The I-2 landscape is blooming with red tombstones.
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The "catch up" mechanics give out XP like candy... but it does not give players higher CR... and without the CR a player will die fast.
So if you leveled up too fast and you dont have the needed CR you cannot just go back to a lower level as (if I am not mistaken) your get less drops there.
Basically the player is stuck... need more CR but cannot get it.
That said... making the game simpler will not solve any of this.
I would also like to add, that I like the new terror rift mechanic.
You do terror rift (hopefully in a party of 4 to also get normal gems); you get terror essences; you use these essences to do 10 helly bountys a week; and you get a 3/3 Legendary for it. Which is most cases is better CR than what you have.
Is this system simple? No, it isnt. Is it rewarding? I think it is.
So I am all for making the game more complex if you get something for it.
@@pinthyg I took six months off from the game to play D IV. When I jumped back in I couldn’t believe how fast l leveled up. Lots of drops in fact not counting purchased CR I surpassed most the players in the clan with CR in just about a month. The only thing they don’t give you to catch up is resonance. I came back in October and still get an occasional returner’s chest.
DONT QUIT!!! You're so close to 3k reso. Keep pushing buddy 😘😘😘
It's not too complicated. It's crashing constantly. It's battleground being 65-3 kills and they call it fair. It's that they keep making me do things that I don't care about to get get some rewards that won't mean anything for my character
The more stuff to do in the game the better idk what people yappin and complainin about “ Theres too much stuff to do “ then dont do them
I'm feeling overwhelmed when trying to play catchup after a few days of not playing. Could also just be im just mentally drained though.
Don`t quit echo pls been watching u for months :(( Keep playing bro!
You dont have to give up on diablo immortal but definitely keep an eye out for path of exile mobile when it comes out and possibly get a head start on content, i know you prefer mobile and POE mobile will be huge when it comes out, at the very least variety is the spice of life and could shake things up but also give new yet similar content for chanel! 😀 love the videos! Keep up the great work!
I love all the new things! There are certain parts of the game that I don’t enjoy like the bg and other whaley PvP parts but overall I love all the changes!
I don't think there's too much to do, per se. there's a lot of different things, granted, but all the different events attract all types of players. So each player finds their own little corner in the game, and it makes them happy. Some like the fishing, some like trial, some like this, some like that. it's all gravy ;)
The problem isn't the complexity and the variety. The problem is that as they add things, they don't make it take any less time to do the older things. Before the experience was less diverse, that's bad. Now we have so much to do it starts feeling like a job, that's bad. They need to make it take less time to do the things we previously did for the same rewards like make the 10-11 lairs from the goblin event to cap from double rewards permanent.
Hnestly, I dont think there is enough 'game' to keep people interested. I would like to see expanded story quests, true open world. If you take away the 'free rewards' ie Achievements, Trophies, Walk Thru Events the game is quite small. I often max/cap a lot of my progression by Friday.
Still too much to learn about the game, but it's fun, i love complicated one 😊
great game ... except... warbands need to be disbanded... to hard to find dedicated people or even friends that want to play in a war band
I feel they need to scale back on the rng and p2w mechanics now at this point and let all players be competitive. They have already made their money and then some, they could keep the cash shop and sale comestics only and maybe a few gems but also make those gems easier to obtain In game without spending even if it is a grind. I would happily grind for a 5 star gem even if it took awhile. At least you would be getting something at the end that could have an impact.
Yes dude I just want triple magic/stat gear from hellslayers but you need to be 10levels above paragon and there is not enough time in my day to play that much.
The game is fine. I just don’t have the time to tweak builds, farm anything, and worry about new game mechanics when they come out. I will get to it when I do. I’ve almost been playing since the beginning and only have 1480 reso. Every time I log in it is like choosing your adventure.
According to me, Diablo Immortal is most developed Diablo franchise game so far and yet, it’s true that the game is not rewording enough to make any progress without significant investment. There to many things to do, image if you’re in Diablo 3 to pay GR all the time. I think we all are spoiled 😊
It’s a game of grinding for scraps with the option of being a crash test dummy for big spenders to test their high priced pixels on. The game has lost the script and the players are losing interest. PvP events are just trickle down economics, give the rich so much that eventually maybe something will fall your way. PvE has so many distractions it’s lost its relevance. Graphing my game hours from October when I jumped back into the game after a six month break until now and the last 2 months show a steady decline. I’m not saying it’s over, but I can see the end from here. I use to say I played because it was fun, now I’m struggling to figure out why I think that.
I just like the drop rates for gems
money milking strategy vs valueable game content... yeah too big and needs deeep pockets to play this game
It is absolutely not to large and complicated! Large = variety. Some days i do terror rifts, some days I do verge, some days I do events.. I'm not trying to do every single thing possible every single day. Complexity = interesting. Long progression is why I continue to play. Easy catch up mechanics trivializes long progression. D4 has none of this and why I quit playing. D4 is dumbed down, has short progression, and not many things to do. I would quit Immortal if they turned into D4 mentaility. A lot of people who play D4 play a season for a few weeks then quit for a couple months, and come back. Immortal has something for people who play it as an mmo. And if they are a lot further progressed than a part time player, then that's how it goes.
Don't forget there is also hero's journey to progress also
After looking forward to this game for so long. I played the storyline once and never played again. Spent 20$ and deleted last week, very sad
Hey echo have you created video about your barbarian setup? been wanted to try this but im not sure what to build with it. thanks! more power! :) DiegoLokko - Kion Server!
P2W kills a lot of games. General pop wants to log in and have something to do daily while getting the gear they want for their toon. Average player doesnt understand what RNG is so they don't understand why they cant get upgradges. If you remember D2 we had an actual auction hall where you could buy gear...which was cool. The gem market crashed on my server so plat is harder to acquire which also adds to the discouragement of the game. So, no matter how much they give us, it will never be enough for those that spend little to no money to compete. Whales rule the server...while F2P and low spenders struggle.
You CAN avoid playing the P2W aspect here, just don't do PvP. The PvE is perfectly playable free to play. The only thing that i find annoying is the gambling for some of these event armor and weapons skin sets (i can't believe i forgot what they are called 😮💨)...
@@Ellerion2 the phantom market. Total scam and another RNG moment
I think its not complicated at all. Most of problem is probably rooted on the feeling of lack of progression on resonance because of how platinum farming works right now. The lack luster event did not help as well, that was supposed to fill the mundane daily grind.
I do not find the game complex, use pets done use them, use ruins you find, no need to upgrade. The game can be as little or as much as you want it to be. I have some clan f olds that don’t bother with pets and the6 play just fine…. If people are frustrated, take a break play something else…. Don’t like it any more, move on.
honestly, goldspam/goldsellers is the biggest issue....
I like that you have things to do and new stuff. The sad thing is that most new stuff is meant for you as a player to spend money.
They need to simplify it.
I keep asking… how much funner was the double rewards event ?? Everyone was on.
Start slimming down on all the time gated crap. Two wars and ROE. That’s three time requirements.
Bump rewards… let people push their characters higher easier. Increased drop rates, more drops, more battle points.
And lastly the whale luster is in bad shape. Especially with dead markets.
Substantially decrease the prices for orbs and crests.
You can only attract more purchases.
Significantly increase the quantity of platinum.
Seriously. With all the be when awakening and runes ect there is clearly a demand for gem power and platinum. But there is NO way to generate platinum anymore that is worth it.
Amp up the rewards amp up the fun!
Sorry about the grammar gem awakening ***
It’s toooooooo much pay 2 win
If they make pvp more playable and fun it would keep more players. Many getting frustrated having to switch to a freeze or CC build to have any gameplay.
Thing is, progress is still very slow even while grinding. Equipment is always under the level required. Took me 2 weeks to get 200 battle points.
the point is the game become less and less rewarding the ting we get from the game stay the same from the beginning maybe 10 % better lol its a joke but game become more and more expansive now we have have to rival the people that have 24 legendry gem slot top companion with not even F guide when the game start we have to have 6 legendry gem look so there was hope for people that spend 30-50 doller per mount in the game to get something no even that is gone 30 $ is not cheap you can play 2 mount of wow with that its 300- 400 per year meaning 5 or 6 top game or plystation 5 is gat become too much that is insulting to normal person its damaging to people psychology specialy if you young i am 39 form warcraft 1 i play bilzard games wow vanila and so on but this game after lunch even become less and less rewarding blizzard greed is so much that take fun from all spect of the game i think this game have to be 30+ years old game its damaging to people less and that and even to me i pay for the game and i know how much its worth becuas i play wow i can not even put a name on the blizzard doing ithink people behind must be in Prison and they will be.
My major thought is one quality of life changed they could do is make Paragon across all characters be the same so we don't have to always start over cuz honestly redoing Paragon is kind of annoying and would be nice to just have it across all characters no matter what character you create just like in Diablo 3 it should only start over if we create a new ladder character or something That's just my thoughts
I hate the familiar system. Most messed up thing, and I no idea to upgrade correctly
If you take two pets with no yellow skills and meld them, you'll get one of them a yellow skills, meld that one with a pet with one yellow skill and ittl have 2 yellow skills, meld it with a pet with 2 yellow skills and you'll get 3 yellow skills and so forth ..
Hmm whats the easiest way to make a golden pet with to golden attributes below 170 to a orange one that makes the pet most cool looking i don't care about anything i just need the tier 3 look on my pet what's the easiest way@@garythompson8545
I think they just need to improve on what we already have
Yep
I haven't spent any money except maybe $4 one time long ago.
And you get owned in pvp lol
Of course he did and you probably did too😂 unless your a whale lol
@@thelegacyofkain2672 You seem to be making assumptions on my power level in the game when all I did was mention the one time I spent $4. You don't know me but here you are laughing as if I just said that I was level 1000 whatever Paragon. I don't even play the game that often, but go on and laugh at your own joke.
If people looking for simple game they should go play candy crush not diablo or any MMO ever
Trifts are absolute end game to me
There aren’t enough players to play the game. I ended up doing the Hell 3 by myself so I could get up to Inferno 1.
lol :P Its only a Pay Game, so the Player say stfu :D
1 Possible Solution, to at least some People's Issues could be Fixed by taking a Page from WoW's Book & make Different Servers for PvP, PvE, or Both. Change Events & Objectives/Achievements accordingly.
no its simply just too grindy and wayyyyyy too much p2w
I don't care if it's pay2win or f2p just give us balanced pvp bruh ffs i just need similar lvl players and resonance lvl players in pvp i have 1.5res complete f2p just give me players around that with similar prg lvl if someone managed to get to 1.5res with paying i don't give a frick i just need a balanced pvp😢 combine the whole server or whatever just want a blanced pvp
For me is more of the endless grind with cookie cutter build, everything is speed blitz everything.. they should’ve opted to something like POE and restart every season. Cause at end game all you do is pop your skill and go in a big circle for farm or pop skill an run through the dungeon no real difficulties just time gated
For me that play when i have the time, it's to much todo now and some new event is just for people with highreso. I play the game with no money spending it's harder but more competive for me
Ngl 240 kill streak is stupid ridiculous for 10 seals of triumph, it should be reduced to 190 or 200
bro you have to pickup a pet that has 6 yellow stats, tick of that green quest! can do it for free
It's the FOMO and time gated content that's the problem. Just put things in the game let us tackle them when we want. Elder rifts, Challenge rifts, Abyssal and Erebban rifts just sit there waiting for you which is how it should be. Whilst pretty much everything else has a timer on it and if don't do it you miss out on rewards. The FOMO needs to chill out.
They just add too much content ingame with layered RNG. Make it harder for casual player get progression. No character customisation. Capped everything.
There's too little, lmao. They have all these limited time events that go after a few days, never to be seen again, and then you're just stuck with doing bounties, dungeons, and weekly helliquaries.
I dont like when nobody doing boses, i cant go to hell 2, nobode seeking it :(
The game destroyed same event even battle ground very bad lag
And get gem very hard
Would like to see better open world rewards without being in a party.
Don't listen to the haters. Game is still fun as long as you're good at it (outside of resonance). I'm over 6k reso (in misery's clan) and if you're good reso is secondary. Keep fighting the good fight buddy. I love/appreciate all the videos.
Too much to do. I was not one of the players begging for more. I liked the game how it was.
Pets - I still cant be bothered to figure them out.
This game is just about dead
Too mch boring daily stuff to keep up with, and scheduled stuff that requires you to log in at specific times. Also I hate the Event center forcing me to play game modes I don't like. Or play them more than I would.
Pet upgrades is shit. tax on selling items is way to much. Maybe 5% not 15%. Charms are pretty ridiculous to upgrade. Fix that stuff before adding more new stuff to get even more confused on. Rune system is ok, but should fix the other things first. How are shadow points accumulated & what events contribute to these points? Ive done some "shadow" activities and look at clan ranking and no points have been added. When are they calculated? There are so many different answers online i dont even know anymore. Simplify descriptions of stats.
We need ways to get plat
It's too expensive. Getting 5 star gems sucks
there's too much to do so i have to choose what to do. i play everyday but only 2-3 hrs max. i have to let go a lot of stuff like bounties, it can feel like too much but you have to ignore a lot of the noise. :)
Very little players now
All rng.. at least give a chance 50 run Legend crest will guaranteed a 5 star gem
my problem on why i stopped playing diablo immortal is cause if you take a month off your CR suffers for it compared to the people who have played since launch because your behind on materials i dont like that
I subscribe for Diablo Immortal... and only for Diablo Immortal.
And that’s what I got for you brother. Thanks for subscribing
for me it still Diablo 3 thats the best RPG game
Bro. Just tell them to stop scamming people for platinum.
Nope its just a second job...no more time for this.
OH Commandozer is my boy!!!! Ahh. This is going in my discord
No its not, nobody point a gun on my head t do ALL. Some ppl enjoy pvp, others are just login for contracts/bounties and social aspect of their clan, some enjoy just to farm and kill stuff and so on. IF you want to do it all its on you.
Same goes for investing.
The only way this is frustrating is for ppl that are min maxers at heart and they want the game to have less content so they can have the time to do it ALL.
WDYM fun modes takes out of your time ? What time :) U get online and do whats FUN for u, simple.
I love your videos and ur my favorite DI reviewer, but for real thou... games are made for ppl with time. Nobody who creates game wont cater to ppl who dont have the time to spend inside. Imagine so many ppl quit for nothing to do cuz it suits the one that have 1 hr a day at the most.
This is me btw... not flaming you, but i realize that i am not the target audience for game developers even thou i spend to 4k reso for fun.
If anything i want more fun stuff cuz im bored with the old , raid bosses that dies within 20 sec and dumb bounties and contracts , they better add 3rd faction or spice things somehow.
Please don’t bring another game to this channel.
diablo immortal feels like a generic mobile game, you log on daily just to do your dailies and/or weeklies and thats about it
You should definitely move on from DI
Gems inside wings?