@@vonhines3574 Still very serious though as to how that affects his overall health. Serious enough to have him drop 9 draft places. This FO should not be risking anything anymore. No pick is a sure thing but a health issue is a sure problem.
@richheardthis8018 he is an overslot guy, meaning they will have to pay more than the expected value of the draft pick, I am assuming that aspect drove teams away from him as well. Tampa and Milwaukee who were ahead of the blue jays, drafted guys that were ranked way lower because they were underslot guys.
@@vonhines3574 That could have been the reason he continued to fall but he also fell past 11 which was his expected value (he didn't fall because of slot reasons there). Anyway, with this regime's track record of drafting, I'll believe it when I see it.
He was ranked as the 3rd best college arm in the draft and its a consensus steal among most baseball writers. AA and the braves would not be out done by selectin the best pitcher out of high school with their 24th pick. Many think these were the 2 biggest steals in the 1st round.
@@willisfigueroa6841 Sure it can be a consensus that he is a great prospect but I'm just saying to pump the brakes a bit and let the kid start his pro career before labelling him the steal of the draft and how the Jays robbed the MLB.
@@mezzaros5534 I agree it was a good pick but baseball is the hardest sport to look into the future. You could pick a guy in the first round that's a bust but a guy in the 20th round that's a hall of famer .
Who has been robbed all season long? Fans of the Jays! Slow down, quit trying to blow smoke up you know where. If you guys still believe the Jays were in on Othani, boy Have I got some swamp land for you.
I'm not high on anyone til I see how they adjust to the league's adjustments. Seen too many Jays (Manoah, Vlad, Davis Schneider) have a big year, the league adjusts to them and they can't counter-adjust. Youre gonna see the same with Horowitz, he'll finish 2025 with a .250 batting average.
Yeah, right. We should trust the judgement of people who predicted that the Jays would be a perennial MLB powerhouse once Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette and Cavan Biggio had reached the Majors.
If the Jays are going to do this then lets go all in on a trade. BLOCK BUSTER that would shake the whole sport and be remembered for a long time. The Mariners are the only team to target for this type of trade in my opinion. This sounds crazy but if you did this you are the a contender for 5 years with the other trades yo make this year focused on pitching prospects and international signing money. I put in Bassitt as this give the Mariners a 2 year window. There would be a shit load of BC people going to watch these games and buying merchandise. Bo Bichette SS To the Mariners Vladimir Guerrero 1B Yusei Kikuchi LHP or Bassitt RHP Yimi Garcia RHP Bryan Woo RHP IN MLB Rotation Michael Morales Ready 2025 Harry Ford C Ready 2025 Cole Young SS Ready 2025 To Blue Jays Jonny Farmelo OF Ready 2027 Cole Phillips RHP Ready 2028 Aiden Smith OF Ready 2027 Jurrangelo Cijntje 2024 Draft pick Ryan Sloan RHP 2024 Draft Pick 250k International Signing next 3 years per free agent signed ANY Bassitt, Guerrero, Bichette retained salary costs more i.e. picks in future (Manfred hinted it's coming)
Bro how do you rob every other organization by taking the “best player available” does that mean every 1st overall pick is a steal? The ray’s literally stole a player from us later in the draft in a Catcher the Jays heavily looked at and the Rays took him a pick before us
Sure but let Atkins make trades for prospects because Atkins, his analytics and his scouting are so good at player evaluations. Atkins will trade any assets the Jays have for another teams throw aways like Brandon Drury or Derek Fisher. Atkins needs to go asap or te Jays will continue their downslide in talent
Amazing draft pick. Not quite as good as Rick E. Tiedeman, Nate B. Pearson, or Alec Manoah, but we will see if he ever sees the MLB. There is a 15-17% chance that he has more than 100 innings in the MLB. Like all draft picks, it is a crap shoot.
Because the Jays are profitable. That means Mark stays. If Mark stays Atkins stays, because firing Atkins would be a confession that Mark messed up. But that can't be true because the Jays are profitable. That's how this works.
And because I can’t think of a team that ever fired its GM in July. Sometimes happens in August, but before the draft and the trade deadline there just isn’t enough time to get someone new up to speed.
@@kermitfrog593 the jays could tell you that they don't make a profit. But it's one big pocket. And the job mark &Ross hasn't been bad .Take an old team ,end of 2017 and within two years playoffs .Ross has done a better job them AA did . They do deals every year and the farm system is at 21 and everybody's fan favorite AA from Atlanta has a farm system at 27 so Alex is drafting as well has he did in Toronto ( bad) .Mark isn't going anywhere until he wants to leave. Because the next president will say I don't need a big payroll . Sound like J.P Ricciardi all over again.
@@jeffbell9391 AA produced a team that went to ALCS twice, Atkins Jays cant win a single playoff game and are in last place with a big payroll. Atkins is worse.
Schinder and Atkins can’t manage or run a team, they all talk about a Bautista bat flip we didn’t even win the world series that year an havent for 30 years it is time for change
Why did 19 other teams pass on him then if he was rated so high?
We got a steal? Really?
What did our scouting team miss is my question?
Pretty sure he ha'd an injury not too long ago, apparently that drove a few teams away from him
His lung collapsed apparently, it came from acumpture treatment, so no arm injuries which is good.
@@vonhines3574 Still very serious though as to how that affects his overall health. Serious enough to have him drop 9 draft places. This FO should not be risking anything anymore. No pick is a sure thing but a health issue is a sure problem.
@richheardthis8018 he is an overslot guy, meaning they will have to pay more than the expected value of the draft pick, I am assuming that aspect drove teams away from him as well. Tampa and Milwaukee who were ahead of the blue jays, drafted guys that were ranked way lower because they were underslot guys.
@@vonhines3574 That could have been the reason he continued to fall but he also fell past 11 which was his expected value (he didn't fall because of slot reasons there). Anyway, with this regime's track record of drafting, I'll believe it when I see it.
Potentially another Gausman . 95-97 mph fastball, with a nasty splitter . I reckon he will throw even faster since he’s only 20.
I get that you two are hyped but you may want to pump the breaks a bit and let the kid pitch before you start saying the Jays robbed the MLB.
He was ranked as the 3rd best college arm in the draft and its a consensus steal among most baseball writers. AA and the braves would not be out done by selectin the best pitcher out of high school with their 24th pick. Many think these were the 2 biggest steals in the 1st round.
@@willisfigueroa6841 Sure it can be a consensus that he is a great prospect but I'm just saying to pump the brakes a bit and let the kid start his pro career before labelling him the steal of the draft and how the Jays robbed the MLB.
@@mezzaros5534 I agree it was a good pick but baseball is the hardest sport to look into the future. You could pick a guy in the first round that's a bust but a guy in the 20th round that's a hall of famer .
This is what these two wannabees do. Read other people's shit and act like they know everything
Who has been robbed all season long? Fans of the Jays! Slow down, quit trying to blow smoke up you know where. If you guys still believe the Jays were in on Othani, boy Have I got some swamp land for you.
Yup, you beat me to it.
Wondering why he dropped all the way to 20. In a draft where it’s well known that you draft the best player available at the time
Health issues
Every teams scouting department is different and looks for other things in a draft pick. Players rising and falling in a draft is a common thing.
@@mezzaros5534 true but if I’m not mistaken he did have a collapsed lung which I think they said on the draft panel is why he fell a bit
@@mezzaros5534 same reason jays got Pearson years ago was because he had health issues
@@bwadden4301 the guy had a lung problem not an arm problem.
I'm not high on anyone til I see how they adjust to the league's adjustments. Seen too many Jays (Manoah, Vlad, Davis Schneider) have a big year, the league adjusts to them and they can't counter-adjust. Youre gonna see the same with Horowitz, he'll finish 2025 with a .250 batting average.
This guy isn’t a generational talent he’s like 2 years away… good pick but do you honestly trust these clowns to develop him?
2 years away would awesome
The Blue Jays usually have good development in their minor teams. It's in the big leagues that they suck.
Yeah, right. We should trust the judgement of people who predicted that the Jays would be a perennial MLB powerhouse once Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette and Cavan Biggio had reached the Majors.
And the Blue Jays saved over a $1 million by Yesavage dropping to 20th.
Maybe they could put it towards that ridiculous payroll
lmao Who even cares? Until those stooges in the offices are canned, this team is going absolutely NOWHERE.
The Jays need to draft toughness, and need a culture change. The Jay's have a whimsical identity. 😊
So there’s a reason why he dropped down to 20. The way the blue jays season is going and he won’t report to the Blue Jays.
Blue Jays are in a good position, we have guys that contenders are going to want, time to get younger and more talented.
That sneaky Atkins.
That’s only if the organization can develop lol which i believe they can’t
If the Jays are going to do this then lets go all in on a trade. BLOCK BUSTER that would shake the whole sport and be remembered for a long time. The Mariners are the only team to target for this type of trade in my opinion. This sounds crazy but if you did this you are the a contender for 5 years with the other trades yo make this year focused on pitching prospects and international signing money. I put in Bassitt as this give the Mariners a 2 year window. There would be a shit load of BC people going to watch these games and buying merchandise.
Bo Bichette SS
To the Mariners Vladimir Guerrero 1B
Yusei Kikuchi LHP or Bassitt RHP
Yimi Garcia RHP
Bryan Woo RHP IN MLB Rotation
Michael Morales Ready 2025
Harry Ford C Ready 2025
Cole Young SS Ready 2025
To Blue Jays Jonny Farmelo OF Ready 2027
Cole Phillips RHP Ready 2028
Aiden Smith OF Ready 2027
Jurrangelo Cijntje 2024 Draft pick
Ryan Sloan RHP 2024 Draft Pick
250k International Signing next 3 years per free agent signed
ANY Bassitt, Guerrero, Bichette retained salary costs more i.e. picks in future (Manfred hinted it's coming)
Bro how do you rob every other organization by taking the “best player available” does that mean every 1st overall pick is a steal? The ray’s literally stole a player from us later in the draft in a Catcher the Jays heavily looked at and the Rays took him a pick before us
Sure but let Atkins make trades for prospects because Atkins, his analytics and his scouting are so good at player evaluations. Atkins will trade any assets the Jays have for another teams throw aways like Brandon Drury or Derek Fisher. Atkins needs to go asap or te Jays will continue their downslide in talent
Do people actually still trust Atkins to run the team anymore? I see more people wanting to put him in a trebuchet and let him go.
Amazing draft pick. Not quite as good as Rick E. Tiedeman, Nate B. Pearson, or Alec Manoah, but we will see if he ever sees the MLB. There is a 15-17% chance that he has more than 100 innings in the MLB. Like all draft picks, it is a crap shoot.
where is tidderman he is a great pitcher ps chapman having a great year in san fran
His health concerns me
He just suffered a collapsed lung from bending over
His Medicals prob making teams ???
Thanks.
He will decline being drafted by the Jays and re-enter the draft for next year
Why is Atkins still at the helm of the Blue Jays?
Because he still has a job !
Because the Jays are profitable. That means Mark stays. If Mark stays Atkins stays, because firing Atkins would be a confession that Mark messed up. But that can't be true because the Jays are profitable. That's how this works.
And because I can’t think of a team that ever fired its GM in July. Sometimes happens in August, but before the draft and the trade deadline there just isn’t enough time to get someone new up to speed.
@@kermitfrog593 the jays could tell you that they don't make a profit. But it's one big pocket. And the job mark &Ross hasn't been bad .Take an old team ,end of 2017 and within two years playoffs .Ross has done a better job them AA did . They do deals every year and the farm system is at 21 and everybody's fan favorite AA from Atlanta has a farm system at 27 so Alex is drafting as well has he did in Toronto ( bad) .Mark isn't going anywhere until he wants to leave. Because the next president will say I don't need a big payroll . Sound like J.P Ricciardi all over again.
@@jeffbell9391 AA produced a team that went to ALCS twice, Atkins Jays cant win a single playoff game and are in last place with a big payroll. Atkins is worse.
TINSTAAPP brother
Waldschmidt be nice tho
Schinder and Atkins can’t manage or run a team, they all talk about a Bautista bat flip we didn’t even win the world series that year an havent for 30 years it is time for change
I guess we will have to learn the correct pronunciation of his name.
Are you sure? Blue jays always take the rejects of the other teams. It’s a gamble.
Tommy John in 3.....2...... Jays don't get lucky
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A quick 401? The 401 is never quick or informative…lol
Steal
But the team is going to suck next 5-7 years.