Intercessors have a 3+ save, but these guys take up x3 the space in transports. But hey, then again, terminators have a better invulnerability save than a warlord titan.
I feel like i'm going to wake up tomorrow to 47 videos and need to buy 2 hunters, scout bikers and a phobos librarian for some bizarre synergy no one else has noticed
@@Lord_RoadRunner Which would be exciting if they didn't already have that on their sheet via twin-linked. The same rule which halved their attacks. But hey, at least the melee character can attach to them! Wait, no, Arax can only attach to things that already get melee re-rolls, making his rule useless too. Arg.
@@kylekeenan3485 can't all be winners I guess! Also, Librarian with Jump Pack: improve AP by 1 when leading a squad. Not bad, but that 4+ inv instead is a lot better!
Feels like a missed opportunity/interaction on the Flamestorm profile with the Apothecary Biologis giving Lethal Hits. There are few (two?) leader options so it would have been nice to have valid leader buff for both profiles
Exactly, it seems like flamestorm Aggressors got the short end of an already short stick as the Apothecary doesn't do a thing for them in the shooting phase and the actual Infernus squad with S5 does fire way better now.
@@JimH. They're in such a weird place atm. As a package on their own, twin linked flamer shots with ap -1 isn't terrible but it feels like they just don't play nicely with any stratagems or charecters except for overwatch, which feels a bit crummy when you compare to the boltstorm gauntlets which have so many different synergies at play.
Yeah slight shame I have 6 of them but they're the easy build ones with the flame-only option, as the second I saw the profile for the Apothecary I thought the boltstorm aggressors had by far the best profile to pair with him out of all the available units. It seems weird he grants both a melee and a shooting buff, but there's only boltstorm aggressors who can really take advantage of both of those things.
I’m confused how the aggressors get 38 shots? Their profile lists 3 shots from the gauntlet but the video quotes 38 shots. What am I missing? I thought twin linked meant you lost the extra shots but gained reroll wounds? Any insight is greatly appreciated
I've got six unassembled Aggressors. I like the bolters and frag launchers. The Apothecary Biologis can give them a tweek. I'm enjoying the *leader* system so far. Thanks for the Vid. 👍
It's a pain in the arse, but if you can be bothered, I magnetised mine on their weapon options. Only thing is you have to pick the ammo belt you want and stick with one for both. No one should care.
@@BillWDand plus if someone is complaining you have the wrong ammo belt, after you took the time to magnetize marines..... They'd definitely be an unfun person to play with anyway
I always see Aggressors as Cawl wanting to make more ubiquitous and easier to manufacture close support/'walking tank' unit, basically budget Termies, as Terminators are supposed to be very rare and only reserved to the Chapter's elites.
@@wvboltslinger40k eh I see Centurions as a portable siege engine. There's a some overlap in function between the three units, but in-universe reason kinda makes sense why they are separate units. Termies are super rare stuff for the elites and can teleport. Cents are are essentially a mini walker vehicle commonly used for sieges and line-breaking because of their drills. Aggros are newer so AdMech doesn't forget how make them just yet, and simpler to use and manufacture so they can deploy them en masse.
Terminators and aggressors are kind of similar role but in deathwatch, if they let us keep our good kill team mixes, then they become very different (albeit not in their actual data sheet)
I never liked the aggressors, I am glad to get both flamer squad and a Biologis for my Heavy Intercessors, I actually like them. Bladeguard, new Veterans and Terminators (we will have multipart kit and I would say at least one character) work well togheter, I feel like GW took 6 years to refresh SM range, and they did a good job for someone starting now the faction.
I wouldn't say the flamestorm are more usable than boltstorm, on average the flamestorm will do less damage due to each model only getting 4 shots on average compared to the 6 shot average of boltstorm plus fragstorm
I like how Aggressors went from "Ranged Dudes that happened to melee" to "Melee dudes that happen to have ranged attacks". I feel like the Flamestorm Gauntlets are the way to go again, just as charge protection while they try to run into melee.
@Daniel Best Agreed. They should not have gotten twin-linked. Possibly rolling 2 flamer-eq shots on a whole model is terrible unless it's a 5-10pt model. Or, at the very least, the Flamestorms should have been D6+2.
I feel like the existence of the biologius in leviathan will see these played a lot more that they would otherwise. Seems like an ok unit to supprise steal an objective if you can afford to get them there.
I randomly found these mixed in a bundle my friend gave me before moving. They were just loose sprues and a bent instruction booklet. xD Was a complete surprise, as I was just expecting Indomitus with some duplicate starter set units. Now I can't wait to have these guys join my Dark Angels!
I guess I'm a little worried these'll run into the Paragon Warsuit problem, where they're strong against small arms but just get deleted the moment anything anti-tank looks their way. Assuming the points costs stay in the same ballpark as in 9th, they would at least be losing a lot fewer points per model deleted, but with their slow speed and lack of assault weapons I'm just worried they won't get to do anything. Maybe in transports.
Thinking 5 of these with Iron hands Feirros in a repulsor could be fun. Use repulsor to bring them up fast, use them with the fnp from feirros to defend it from charges, feirros in range or repulsor to fix it.
How will the apothecary’s lethal hits help the flamestorm gauntlets? They don’t even make hit rolls, they auto hit, so they can’t roll 6s to hit for auto wounds
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It's really been frustrating me actually. I think as a base unit the flamestorm ones are *fine*, though the lack of shoots compared to the boltstorm version feels a little lame given those also have better range. But also, they don't work with the army rule (as they're auto-hits + twinlinked), they get limited value from the Biologis because torrent weapons don't roll to hit, neither of the two salamanders charecters can join them and even if they could, it wouldn't matter because their abilities are all based on rerolls, Storm of fire is also useless because they already ignore cover meaing you're getting at most the -1 to AP. The only gimick they have is being good at overwatch, which the infernus squad can also do, with a higher strength at that (though no access to AP). The salamanders stuff in the index has felt very unfocused and as if there was no real synergies to be found unfortunately. You see the same thing with Adrax giving rerolls to wound in melee to his attached unit, but the only melee unit he can attach to are assault intercessors, who's built in special roll is rerolling 1's to wound with full rerolls near objectives! And guess what, Adrax's *other* ability makes you want to be near an objective as it effects enemy OC! It's just all a bit half baked really. (the index in general looks great though!)
Im in love with the space marine index. My techmarines and gladiator tanks will rule the world hitting on 2+ with free reroll everything! and throw in some thunderstrikes for +1 to wound as well. Top it all off with invictor warsuits putting carnifexes to shame in every single way!
Would love to see a Devastators review. Grab Cannons still look pretty good as an anti-everything option, although their AP is lacking a little. Sort of heavier heavy bolters, with an anti-vehicle side role. Depends on points I guess. (
In 9th, Boltstorm Aggressors had 2x Boltstorm gauntlets, each with 3 attacks (so 6 attacks per model). In 10th it seems they only have one 'Boltstorm gauntlets' which only has 3 attacks... Even with the wound re-rolls, isn't this a big nerf? Or am I missing something?
8 Ultramarine characters and a unique unit, 8 total characters for the other chapters. This really is the Ultramarines + afterthoughts codex. Feirros doesn't even have the Techmarine tag!
Aggressors don't feel very good now, although maybe they could be OK if their points are low. Eradicators seem absolutely busted, especially if you combo them with the biologis and give him bolter discipline... Hellblasters also seem possibly a lot better than they used to be. Stick them with an apothecary, get free shots on death, and then bring a model back to life and do it again next turn.
For aggressors, I don't see the biologis as a damage multiplier, but more as an option to increase their OC from 6 to 15 after they barbecue something after having poured out the front of a redeemer.
I am planning to use my box of 3 to make a Boltstorm unit for my Black Templars. Adding the new leviathan Apothecary character to them. I was undecided what I wanted to use them for so glad I now have a plan for them.
I want to know why GW decided they would be the only unit with power fists that effectively has a -1 to hit. I just checked every other unit in the index with a PF hits on 2s for characters or 3s for regular units. I feel that was a typo or oversight.
Biggest news (for me) is that terminator captains are sort of hard to kill (relatively speaking) and the "Heavy Bolt Rifle Captain) isnow the standard Gravis Captain, with the fist+sword being a wargear option for the same. Both are good news I think.
As a "Hold-the-Line"/chokepoint bloker, I'd take 5 of these dudes with auto boltstorm gauntlets and fragstorm grenade launchers. The 18 inches dakka range of the boltstorm/fragstorm is more appealing to me than the 12 inch flamers.
As a Salamanders player, seeing their profile kind of sucks. Knowing none of the named heros do anything for them aswell. I feel this unit will be shelved, and the new pyroblasters will see the table instead.
@@ruslanhoncharenko2179 I tried at The Outpost, they told me they won't even have enough for the folks who have already pre ordered... They told me a load of retailers who have had their orders reduced!! Who is your retailer?? I might still have a chance to get one?? 🤞
i never have understood why they locked the grenades to the boltstom only, it sould just be a additional opton outright. as for things, my brother is looking to use them alongside ferrios as he grants his unit FNP 5+ so they could tank some extra hits. me personally a gravis captain and throw them up into melee as blood angels
If aggressors shoot at a unit that is NOT the closest targetable unit, and the models in that unit are in cover with a 3+ armor save, then the aggressors would not get their Close-quarters Firepower. But the target unit doesn't get the benefit of cover from AP 0 weapons in this instance, so their save remains a 3+. If aggressors shot at the same unit, but in was instead the closest targetable unit, then the target unit would get the benefit of cover, which would then be negated by the AP -1 granted by aggressors activated Close-quarters Firepower ability. In this instance the target unit's save also remains a 3+. That took me a second, lol.
Outrider squads now having a max of 1 sergeant, 5 bikers and 1 atv,tempted to use a Multimelta atv and add the chaplain to then have a melta 2 devastating wounds multi melta
I really wanna add these to my crimson fists army, i feel that theyd truly shine due to there bolt weapons and low unit count would pop off against large mobs
Honestly as a Deathwatch player seeing how many bonus abilities and synergy Firstborn models have makes me smile, feels like someone still cares about them at GW HQ.
Not a fan of the new 'twin linked' for these guys and the inceptors. Their guns are not twin linked. They are on each arm and can shoot at different things. Twin linked should have been kept for guns side by side.
I respectfully disagree that twin linked is a waste in light of the Oath of moment. What it does is allow you to target another unit that is not vulnerable for the turn. They never lose that oath efficiency, and because of that they have freedom when they choose targets.
Hear me out, Use Uriel Ventris "Master of the Fleet" to deep strike a 6 man unit of Aggressors into the enemies lap. Maybe even with someone like say... Marneus Calgar and his Victrix Honor Guard attached. The points cost is probably prohibitive but I want to see the opponents look of dread.
Correction: there are no Aggressors in Space Wolves Combat Patrol, unless there‘s a new SW Patrol that I don‘t know yet. SW Patrol has 10 Intercessors, 5 Reivers/Hounds, 1 Invictor and a SW Primaris Lieutenant.
May be a bit dumb , but in 9th they had 2 gauntlets now it just says 1 gauntlets .. I am confused.. model has 2 but is it baked in the the wording of "gauntlets" ?
Losing half their shots in favor of twin linked + Losing Apothecary support for resurrections and healing makes Aggressors a low tier unit now. Not worth their points unless they become dramatically cheap. Want melee tough unit? Take Bladeguard or Assault Terminators. Want melee with ranged? Take Terminators. Aggressors niche was that they had very good volume of fire for anti-horde, as well as a good melee profile. Now they just have a decent melee profile with no character support to make them stay (Apothecary) and garbage volume of fire Not making Apothecaries lone operatives is a real mind boggler. This index of datasheets really ruined my morning seeing my Salamander army basically get imploded with all the senseless changes and modifications Sternguard, Van Vets, all losing their choice of weapons and getting a 'combi weapon, relic weapon' garbage. 'Simplified, not simple' my ass.
Armies getting made useless is the theme of 10th apparently My poor Iron Hands lost literally more than half their fighting force, because firstborn dreadnoughts are no longer allowed at GW tables.
@@KappaKiller108 yeah idk wtf GW is thinking. The preview for SM was fantastic. Then everything that came after was eye watering. Really horrible choices.
odd that these guys are the only ones with powerfists that still have the -1 to hit... it's built in now but none of the other data sheets have it this way. except the devastator centurions...
I mean, we know nothing without points right. If they are 50 a pop, they are horrible, if they remain 30 a pop, they are probably pretty good. Makes it so i really do not see the point of this video :P
Twin linked rule is so dumb, just ruins the idea of having two guns to spit out more rounds. Do auto boltstorm gauntlets become just bolt gauntlets? Because 3 shots is a pathetic rate of fire for two guns😂
I hate the look of the gauntlets, ruins otherwise cool gravis armor. Anyone know a good place to get gravis powerfists or some sort of 3d printed alternate arms?
I think their datasheet makes no sense when looking at their design. They have the equivalent of 2 heavy machine guns built into there hands, in datasheet they get 1 extra shot compared to other SM guns, plus rerolls of one. Doesn't make sense
Gravis armour is my favourite out of all space marine armour, way more than Terminators. My army is full of Gravis armour units now that the Biologis is out. Aggressors are my favourite units in the game. I don’t think Aggressors will see any play unless they’re markedly cheaper than Terminators. The Gravis Captain and the Biologis don’t do *anything* to help them. You’re much better off sticking the Biologis on the Eradicators to make them more kill-y or a Heavy Intercessor squad to really hold an objective, thanks to them getting Duty Eternal when they’re near an objective. Can I also just say that I think it’s incredibly stupid that the Gravis Captain doesn’t have *any* buffs? Sure he can use a stratagem for 0cp which is good but like… he can only be attached to 3 units. Why not give him a buffing ability? To be honest this is a huge blow. The Flamestorm Gauntlets are so much weaker now, thanks to a combination of things. Having a max shots of 30 instead of 60, in a squad of 5, is rough. Sure they can re-roll wound rolls but that’s not really going to help. Now that subfactions are gone and Salamanders don’t have their stratagems, you can’t auto-max the shots and you can’t make them deal Mortal Wounds. The combat doctrines are also just straight up garbage so that doesn’t help either. They still get AP-1 but no Salamander stuff means they don’t get +1 to wound (which, with 60-72 shots, is way better than 30 shots re-rolling the wound rolls) I feel like the only strategy they’ll be seeing play in is sticking them in Land Raiders and running them up the board to get in melee as soon as possible. This is the strategy I’ll be using for sure.
It's interesting to see how the new Leader system impacts units in 10th, up to now I've been using a block of Aggressors with Chaplain and Psyker support as the core of my center line, looks like they'll have a more niche sideline role now, maybe just a body guard for a Gravis Captain beat stick. (Hopefully Space Wolves index will give them something to work with)
@@davidarbour2683 it's one of each Epic Hero, it's a rule to prevent you from fielding the same person twice, or sometimes to restrict your ability to field certain units like Vindicare, here is a link to image from warhammer community where it's written www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/cvzT9hLUgU38WAnw.jpg
@davidarbour2683 yeah on a unit that only has 3 shots that can only reliably deal with infantry and a light transport but that's only if you're lucky and your opponent rolls bad on their saves
OK, This is slightly off-topic I know but I have to get this out of my brain while it's fresh...For context I'm a marine die hard since the early 2000s and I know that GW likes to make space marines OP out of the gate, but GOOD LORD they went too far this time. Devestating wounds is WAYYYYY too accessible in the datacards. You could take 30 sternguard, a couple of redemptors and 3 reaper tanks and put out a monstrous amount of mortal wounds. I don't know what the other factions are going to look like, but I playtested that exact unit composition with some characters and enhancements for even more power and it's not even funny...I just stood there like, this can't be right....RIGHT?! I don't see why people would take lascannons, melta or flamers, they're irrelevant in comparison. They're gonna nerf it, I mean they'd have to, but Damn son. Rant over...
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Have never understood how that much armour bulk doesn’t translate to a 2+ save
Intercessors have a 3+ save, but these guys take up x3 the space in transports. But hey, then again, terminators have a better invulnerability save than a warlord titan.
He’s going unit by unit! Not sure why I am surprised. Absolute legend.
I feel like i'm going to wake up tomorrow to 47 videos and need to buy 2 hunters, scout bikers and a phobos librarian for some bizarre synergy no one else has noticed
@@AJGladys You need to buy Uriel Ventris, a separate Captain, Biologist and 6 Aggressors. Then use Ventris ability to deepstrike the lot.
@@kylekeenan3485 between Ventris or guilliman or calgar the choice is simple
As a Salamander Commander with six Flamestorms, I am excited to be roasting trash out of cover and purging anyone foolish enough to charge them.
Then you realize, none of our named heros can go with them.....
@Graham Thom but vulkan he'stan can give them full rerolls at a range (can remember the exact rules)
@Colby Wilksch Forgefather...that's right!!! I missed that, you pick an enemy unit within 24" range, not just the unit he's with.
@@Lord_RoadRunner Which would be exciting if they didn't already have that on their sheet via twin-linked. The same rule which halved their attacks. But hey, at least the melee character can attach to them! Wait, no, Arax can only attach to things that already get melee re-rolls, making his rule useless too. Arg.
@@rant585 Yes, so many Salamanders Players love our News Chars Datasheets. I dont know why, you dont Need the rerolls….
I am liking the Librarian attached to Hell Blasters or Desolators giving them all a 4+ invuln!
Or the Phobos attached to an Eliminator squad. No being targeted for them beyond 12". :D
Yeah that's awesome too, just not the new Librarian in terminator armour. 😂
@@kylekeenan3485 can't all be winners I guess! Also, Librarian with Jump Pack: improve AP by 1 when leading a squad. Not bad, but that 4+ inv instead is a lot better!
Apothecary to hellblasters with the bolter relic would be disgusting. Bringing 1 back a turn and they shoot again when they die on 3+
@@MrDMSir and get to do the overcharged rule as well when they die. Now that's what I call a middle finger to the unit that killed them!
Feels like a missed opportunity/interaction on the Flamestorm profile with the Apothecary Biologis giving Lethal Hits. There are few (two?) leader options so it would have been nice to have valid leader buff for both profiles
Exactly, it seems like flamestorm Aggressors got the short end of an already short stick as the Apothecary doesn't do a thing for them in the shooting phase and the actual Infernus squad with S5 does fire way better now.
@@JimH. They're in such a weird place atm. As a package on their own, twin linked flamer shots with ap -1 isn't terrible but it feels like they just don't play nicely with any stratagems or charecters except for overwatch, which feels a bit crummy when you compare to the boltstorm gauntlets which have so many different synergies at play.
Yeah slight shame I have 6 of them but they're the easy build ones with the flame-only option, as the second I saw the profile for the Apothecary I thought the boltstorm aggressors had by far the best profile to pair with him out of all the available units. It seems weird he grants both a melee and a shooting buff, but there's only boltstorm aggressors who can really take advantage of both of those things.
@@fish7598 They combine AP-2 from stratagens
I’m confused how the aggressors get 38 shots? Their profile lists 3 shots from the gauntlet but the video quotes 38 shots. What am I missing? I thought twin linked meant you lost the extra shots but gained reroll wounds? Any insight is greatly appreciated
I've got six unassembled Aggressors. I like the bolters and frag launchers. The Apothecary Biologis can give them a tweek.
I'm enjoying the *leader* system so far.
Thanks for the Vid. 👍
It's a pain in the arse, but if you can be bothered, I magnetised mine on their weapon options. Only thing is you have to pick the ammo belt you want and stick with one for both. No one should care.
@@BillWDand plus if someone is complaining you have the wrong ammo belt, after you took the time to magnetize marines..... They'd definitely be an unfun person to play with anyway
I always see Aggressors as Cawl wanting to make more ubiquitous and easier to manufacture close support/'walking tank' unit, basically budget Termies, as Terminators are supposed to be very rare and only reserved to the Chapter's elites.
I see Aggressors as Cawl (and a sculptor at GW) looking at Centurions and saying "let me show you how you should have done that"
@@wvboltslinger40k eh I see Centurions as a portable siege engine.
There's a some overlap in function between the three units, but in-universe reason kinda makes sense why they are separate units.
Termies are super rare stuff for the elites and can teleport.
Cents are are essentially a mini walker vehicle commonly used for sieges and line-breaking because of their drills.
Aggros are newer so AdMech doesn't forget how make them just yet, and simpler to use and manufacture so they can deploy them en masse.
Gravis and Aggressors feel strange with Terminators now. The flamers definitely have their place. Bolt? Ehhhh
Why strange?
Terminators and aggressors are kind of similar role but in deathwatch, if they let us keep our good kill team mixes, then they become very different (albeit not in their actual data sheet)
I never liked the aggressors, I am glad to get both flamer squad and a Biologis for my Heavy Intercessors, I actually like them. Bladeguard, new Veterans and Terminators (we will have multipart kit and I would say at least one character) work well togheter, I feel like GW took 6 years to refresh SM range, and they did a good job for someone starting now the faction.
@@elRandomTk Still no refreshed jump melee though.
I wouldn't say the flamestorm are more usable than boltstorm, on average the flamestorm will do less damage due to each model only getting 4 shots on average compared to the 6 shot average of boltstorm plus fragstorm
I really hope that Indomitor Kill Teams are in 10th. One of those with a Gravis Apothecary and some Aggressors into the mix = fun times. :)
I like how Aggressors went from "Ranged Dudes that happened to melee" to "Melee dudes that happen to have ranged attacks". I feel like the Flamestorm Gauntlets are the way to go again, just as charge protection while they try to run into melee.
Kind of but having their number of shots cut in half is a massive turn off
@Daniel Best Agreed. They should not have gotten twin-linked. Possibly rolling 2 flamer-eq shots on a whole model is terrible unless it's a 5-10pt model. Or, at the very least, the Flamestorms should have been D6+2.
I'm not sure why they exist vs terminators really
I feel like the existence of the biologius in leviathan will see these played a lot more that they would otherwise. Seems like an ok unit to supprise steal an objective if you can afford to get them there.
It's so frustrating that the Biologius doesn't worth with torrent weapons, as this kinda makes Flamestorm aggressors really hard to justify
That's exactly what I was thinking 6 man aggressors with a captain and biologis tear some shit up on an objective
I put my proxies biologus onto eradicators with bolter discipline, crit 5+ with sustained hits.
I randomly found these mixed in a bundle my friend gave me before moving. They were just loose sprues and a bent instruction booklet. xD Was a complete surprise, as I was just expecting Indomitus with some duplicate starter set units. Now I can't wait to have these guys join my Dark Angels!
I guess I'm a little worried these'll run into the Paragon Warsuit problem, where they're strong against small arms but just get deleted the moment anything anti-tank looks their way. Assuming the points costs stay in the same ballpark as in 9th, they would at least be losing a lot fewer points per model deleted, but with their slow speed and lack of assault weapons I'm just worried they won't get to do anything. Maybe in transports.
Salamanders not really being able to support these fellas is kinda heartbreaking tbh 🦎🔥🔥
Respect to you man, you are a legend for posting so many videos in such a short time because of the new edition.
uriel ventris is looking awesome too, can give any infrantry unit deepstrike!
Thinking 5 of these with Iron hands Feirros in a repulsor could be fun. Use repulsor to bring them up fast, use them with the fnp from feirros to defend it from charges, feirros in range or repulsor to fix it.
Did we miss that the Vindicator Tank can shoot into units within engagement range WITH ITS BIG GUN!!!!
How will the apothecary’s lethal hits help the flamestorm gauntlets? They don’t even make hit rolls, they auto hit, so they can’t roll 6s to hit for auto wounds
Just some general assurance for those asking about other units. Auspex Tactics is a fantastic, reliable channel. You can trust he’ll get to them all in due time!
I’m excited for this as I want to make a Carcharodons army. And this is perfect for me with how I’ll play.
It's interesting to see that after being the Salamanders' staple unit, they really don't have a ton of Salamander synergies in 10th
Hopefully that will change once GW drops a Salamanders detachment.
He didn't mention Vulkan He'Stan being able to pick an enemy and all Torrent and Melta weapons get to reroll to wound them.
@@jonathanblazeby9655 He probably did not mention it because flamer aggressors already reroll to wound due to twin-linked
@dylanfitzsimmons372 yeah it's a useless ability on vulkan hestan as most, if not all of the units that you would use his ability for already re roll
It's really been frustrating me actually. I think as a base unit the flamestorm ones are *fine*, though the lack of shoots compared to the boltstorm version feels a little lame given those also have better range. But also, they don't work with the army rule (as they're auto-hits + twinlinked), they get limited value from the Biologis because torrent weapons don't roll to hit, neither of the two salamanders charecters can join them and even if they could, it wouldn't matter because their abilities are all based on rerolls, Storm of fire is also useless because they already ignore cover meaing you're getting at most the -1 to AP. The only gimick they have is being good at overwatch, which the infernus squad can also do, with a higher strength at that (though no access to AP).
The salamanders stuff in the index has felt very unfocused and as if there was no real synergies to be found unfortunately. You see the same thing with Adrax giving rerolls to wound in melee to his attached unit, but the only melee unit he can attach to are assault intercessors, who's built in special roll is rerolling 1's to wound with full rerolls near objectives! And guess what, Adrax's *other* ability makes you want to be near an objective as it effects enemy OC!
It's just all a bit half baked really. (the index in general looks great though!)
1:27 Space Wolves Combat Patrol doesn’t have any Aggressors. Just the Warsuit, Intercessors, Reivers, and Lieutenant.
Under 9th I used boltstorm aggressors alot but now they feel really pointless. Half the shots and re-roll to wound (TL). Just feels overly nerfed.
Im in love with the space marine index. My techmarines and gladiator tanks will rule the world hitting on 2+ with free reroll everything! and throw in some thunderstrikes for +1 to wound as well. Top it all off with invictor warsuits putting carnifexes to shame in every single way!
Would love to see a Devastators review. Grab Cannons still look pretty good as an anti-everything option, although their AP is lacking a little. Sort of heavier heavy bolters, with an anti-vehicle side role. Depends on points I guess.
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I can't attach Adrax to this unit and this makes me angry
And even if you did, it wouldn't do anything because it'd just give rerolls to wound, which they already have!
@@fish7598 I just love the strat of making Aggressors punch really, *really* hard
In 9th, Boltstorm Aggressors had 2x Boltstorm gauntlets, each with 3 attacks (so 6 attacks per model). In 10th it seems they only have one 'Boltstorm gauntlets' which only has 3 attacks... Even with the wound re-rolls, isn't this a big nerf? Or am I missing something?
No they were super strong in 8th, nerfed heavily in 9th and net nerfed again.
@@JimH. When an intercessor is firing 2 shots at 24", seems a bit lame for these guys to be firing just 3 shots at 18" in comparison...
8 Ultramarine characters and a unique unit, 8 total characters for the other chapters. This really is the Ultramarines + afterthoughts codex. Feirros doesn't even have the Techmarine tag!
Aggressors don't feel very good now, although maybe they could be OK if their points are low.
Eradicators seem absolutely busted, especially if you combo them with the biologis and give him bolter discipline...
Hellblasters also seem possibly a lot better than they used to be. Stick them with an apothecary, get free shots on death, and then bring a model back to life and do it again next turn.
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Aggressors + calgar is very strong for advance and charge all game
Thank you for making these type of videos!
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For aggressors, I don't see the biologis as a damage multiplier, but more as an option to increase their OC from 6 to 15 after they barbecue something after having poured out the front of a redeemer.
I am planning to use my box of 3 to make a Boltstorm unit for my Black Templars. Adding the new leviathan Apothecary character to them. I was undecided what I wanted to use them for so glad I now have a plan for them.
I want to know why GW decided they would be the only unit with power fists that effectively has a -1 to hit. I just checked every other unit in the index with a PF hits on 2s for characters or 3s for regular units. I feel that was a typo or oversight.
I'm still on the fence about these guys. I love troops that can wade into enemy fire, they just always seemed a bit too hard to use.
Biggest news (for me) is that terminator captains are sort of hard to kill (relatively speaking) and the "Heavy Bolt Rifle Captain) isnow the standard Gravis Captain, with the fist+sword being a wargear option for the same. Both are good news I think.
As a "Hold-the-Line"/chokepoint bloker, I'd take 5 of these dudes with auto boltstorm gauntlets and fragstorm grenade launchers.
The 18 inches dakka range of the boltstorm/fragstorm is more appealing to me than the 12 inch flamers.
The new twin linked rule feels so…dumb… why does having double the weapon count lead to a greater chance of one weapon wounding?
As a Salamanders player, seeing their profile kind of sucks. Knowing none of the named heros do anything for them aswell. I feel this unit will be shelved, and the new pyroblasters will see the table instead.
you know i really think the bunker have a chance to be great this edition. if you haven't looked at the data sheet it's a very flavorful little thing
Not sure why you mention the Flamestorms when talking about the Apothecary Biologis granting lethal hits - auto hitting means you can't get them.
Still works on the power fists.
Apparently, 3rd party retailers have been told that they're only getting a fraction of the Leviathan boxes they ordered ...
25% I believe... 😢
My local retailer is getting all orders and one nearby getting nearly all reservations
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I tried at The Outpost, they told me they won't even have enough for the folks who have already pre ordered... They told me a load of retailers who have had their orders reduced!!
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With the Biologis, they could be a huge mid field threat. Nice overwatch and powerful in melee.
i never have understood why they locked the grenades to the boltstom only, it sould just be a additional opton outright.
as for things, my brother is looking to use them alongside ferrios as he grants his unit FNP 5+ so they could tank some extra hits.
me personally a gravis captain and throw them up into melee as blood angels
If aggressors shoot at a unit that is NOT the closest targetable unit, and the models in that unit are in cover with a 3+ armor save, then the aggressors would not get their Close-quarters Firepower. But the target unit doesn't get the benefit of cover from AP 0 weapons in this instance, so their save remains a 3+.
If aggressors shot at the same unit, but in was instead the closest targetable unit, then the target unit would get the benefit of cover, which would then be negated by the AP -1 granted by aggressors activated Close-quarters Firepower ability. In this instance the target unit's save also remains a 3+.
That took me a second, lol.
Outrider squads now having a max of 1 sergeant, 5 bikers and 1 atv,tempted to use a Multimelta atv and add the chaplain to then have a melta 2 devastating wounds multi melta
Sad that we’re limited in which characters can join.
I really wanna add these to my crimson fists army, i feel that theyd truly shine due to there bolt weapons and low unit count would pop off against large mobs
Honestly as a Deathwatch player seeing how many bonus abilities and synergy Firstborn models have makes me smile,
feels like someone still cares about them at GW HQ.
Not a fan of the new 'twin linked' for these guys and the inceptors. Their guns are not twin linked. They are on each arm and can shoot at different things. Twin linked should have been kept for guns side by side.
You got Storm of Fire stratagem around the wrong way, its only AP-1 if you're in assault doctrine
I respectfully disagree that twin linked is a waste in light of the Oath of moment.
What it does is allow you to target another unit that is not vulnerable for the turn. They never lose that oath efficiency, and because of that they have freedom when they choose targets.
Hear me out, Use Uriel Ventris "Master of the Fleet" to deep strike a 6 man unit of Aggressors into the enemies lap. Maybe even with someone like say... Marneus Calgar and his Victrix Honor Guard attached. The points cost is probably prohibitive but I want to see the opponents look of dread.
If the SW index for gravis captain and aggressors doesn't change, I'm very much looking forward to that squad of CHONK BOIS walking up the board
Correction: there are no Aggressors in Space Wolves Combat Patrol, unless there‘s a new SW Patrol that I don‘t know yet. SW Patrol has 10 Intercessors, 5 Reivers/Hounds, 1 Invictor and a SW Primaris Lieutenant.
May be a bit dumb , but in 9th they had 2 gauntlets now it just says 1 gauntlets ..
I am confused.. model has 2 but is it baked in the the wording of "gauntlets" ?
Losing half their shots in favor of twin linked + Losing Apothecary support for resurrections and healing makes Aggressors a low tier unit now. Not worth their points unless they become dramatically cheap.
Want melee tough unit? Take Bladeguard or Assault Terminators. Want melee with ranged? Take Terminators.
Aggressors niche was that they had very good volume of fire for anti-horde, as well as a good melee profile. Now they just have a decent melee profile with no character support to make them stay (Apothecary) and garbage volume of fire
Not making Apothecaries lone operatives is a real mind boggler. This index of datasheets really ruined my morning seeing my Salamander army basically get imploded with all the senseless changes and modifications
Sternguard, Van Vets, all losing their choice of weapons and getting a 'combi weapon, relic weapon' garbage. 'Simplified, not simple' my ass.
Armies getting made useless is the theme of 10th apparently
My poor Iron Hands lost literally more than half their fighting force, because firstborn dreadnoughts are no longer allowed at GW tables.
@@KappaKiller108 yeah idk wtf GW is thinking. The preview for SM was fantastic. Then everything that came after was eye watering. Really horrible choices.
MY FAVORITE BOYS my army centers heavily around a spear head consisting of 3 squads and a gravis captain :)
I guess we now know what Auspex's favourite Marine unit is, since he's gone with this one first
I'm running two 6 man squads of these chonky lads and no one can stop me (except my bank account).
odd that these guys are the only ones with powerfists that still have the -1 to hit... it's built in now but none of the other data sheets have it this way. except the devastator centurions...
I mean, we know nothing without points right. If they are 50 a pop, they are horrible, if they remain 30 a pop, they are probably pretty good. Makes it so i really do not see the point of this video :P
Twin linked rule is so dumb, just ruins the idea of having two guns to spit out more rounds. Do auto boltstorm gauntlets become just bolt gauntlets? Because 3 shots is a pathetic rate of fire for two guns😂
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Just going to skim over the insane changes to Outriders?
Why just aggressors first, of all things, out of curiousity?
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I hate the look of the gauntlets, ruins otherwise cool gravis armor. Anyone know a good place to get gravis powerfists or some sort of 3d printed alternate arms?
Is there video going over character rules?
New apothecary + max squad aggressors = immoveable Objective Captor
I think their datasheet makes no sense when looking at their design. They have the equivalent of 2 heavy machine guns built into there hands, in datasheet they get 1 extra shot compared to other SM guns, plus rerolls of one. Doesn't make sense
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I feel so bad for the Aggressors...
T6 Gravis is amazing
It's unfortunate how few of the rules benefit the flamer aggressors
Aggressors are 110pts/3 models
I just wish my Flamestorm boys could be led by a GOOD Adrax....but neither of those are meant to be *sigh*.
Twinlinked should be reroll to hit like it was in 5th.
I'm loving that Astartes servitors are better than Skitarii! Better saves and hitting on 2+
Seriously, whoever worked on admech needs prostate cancer.
Does anyone know the point values?
Gravis armour is my favourite out of all space marine armour, way more than Terminators. My army is full of Gravis armour units now that the Biologis is out. Aggressors are my favourite units in the game.
I don’t think Aggressors will see any play unless they’re markedly cheaper than Terminators. The Gravis Captain and the Biologis don’t do *anything* to help them. You’re much better off sticking the Biologis on the Eradicators to make them more kill-y or a Heavy Intercessor squad to really hold an objective, thanks to them getting Duty Eternal when they’re near an objective. Can I also just say that I think it’s incredibly stupid that the Gravis Captain doesn’t have *any* buffs? Sure he can use a stratagem for 0cp which is good but like… he can only be attached to 3 units. Why not give him a buffing ability?
To be honest this is a huge blow. The Flamestorm Gauntlets are so much weaker now, thanks to a combination of things. Having a max shots of 30 instead of 60, in a squad of 5, is rough. Sure they can re-roll wound rolls but that’s not really going to help. Now that subfactions are gone and Salamanders don’t have their stratagems, you can’t auto-max the shots and you can’t make them deal Mortal Wounds.
The combat doctrines are also just straight up garbage so that doesn’t help either. They still get AP-1 but no Salamander stuff means they don’t get +1 to wound (which, with 60-72 shots, is way better than 30 shots re-rolling the wound rolls)
I feel like the only strategy they’ll be seeing play in is sticking them in Land Raiders and running them up the board to get in melee as soon as possible. This is the strategy I’ll be using for sure.
I think the boltstorm unit looks decent, and has quite a few nice synergies, but the flamestorms feel really left out in the cold to me
Aggressors look fakking awesome
It's interesting to see how the new Leader system impacts units in 10th, up to now I've been using a block of Aggressors with Chaplain and Psyker support as the core of my center line, looks like they'll have a more niche sideline role now, maybe just a body guard for a Gravis Captain beat stick.
(Hopefully Space Wolves index will give them something to work with)
pretty sure Calgar gives also Fell Back and shoot and charge
Yeah but between calgar or guilliman i choose guilliman 100%
@@davidarbour2683 why not both?
@@mikoajpietrych6168 because calgar is also a epic hero and you can only have oneepic hero so you choose between calgar tigurius and top G
@@davidarbour2683 it's one of each Epic Hero, it's a rule to prevent you from fielding the same person twice, or sometimes to restrict your ability to field certain units like Vindicare, here is a link to image from warhammer community where it's written
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Probably because I started in 9th but damn, aggressors are so much cooler than terminators. No dumb cow helmets.
Can you do eradicators as well please?
They lost the double shoot 😅
Yeah in short they're pretty weak now, melta that's designed for killing vehicles but doesn't get anti vehicle and wounding most vehicles on 5+
@@danielbest2280 you can reroll everything included damage but still it’s a 100% nerf boost damage
@davidarbour2683 yeah on a unit that only has 3 shots that can only reliably deal with infantry and a light transport but that's only if you're lucky and your opponent rolls bad on their saves
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Aggressors in land raiders?
But not in drop pod idk why…. -_-
They killed my boys :( aggressors putting out such a shamefully low shot count is very sad.
Why do these have worse weapon skill than any other model with Powerfists? Makes me sad
No rules for Salamanders, no point having them instead of termies. Cmon GW ... give all the chapters some rules/traits :s
I appreciate the index download is free, but with over 200+ cards in the file couldn't they bookmark it?
I'm never sure how many shots something has.
The datasheet says boldgunS - plural. Has one model now 3 shots or as they have 2 hand they have 6?
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OK, This is slightly off-topic I know but I have to get this out of my brain while it's fresh...For context I'm a marine die hard since the early 2000s and I know that GW likes to make space marines OP out of the gate, but GOOD LORD they went too far this time. Devestating wounds is WAYYYYY too accessible in the datacards. You could take 30 sternguard, a couple of redemptors and 3 reaper tanks and put out a monstrous amount of mortal wounds. I don't know what the other factions are going to look like, but I playtested that exact unit composition with some characters and enhancements for even more power and it's not even funny...I just stood there like, this can't be right....RIGHT?! I don't see why people would take lascannons, melta or flamers, they're irrelevant in comparison. They're gonna nerf it, I mean they'd have to, but Damn son. Rant over...
Man this aged poorly. Bolt storm gauntlets + bolter discipline + storm of fire = death
THe gravis armor looks good on the heavy intercessors but these aggressors look too fkin goofy.
Lieutenant with combi weapon is it's own datasheet? Heirloom weapons? What a fucking shitshow 10th is starting out to be