TRAINWRECKORDS: "Mardi Gras" by Creedence Clearwater Revival
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- There was a bad moon rising over Creedence in 1972, when John Fogerty made the rest of the band do the writing, and the result ain't no fortunate one.
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My favorite trainwreckords trope is when a band accidentally makes a concept album about their own breakup.
It's a shame that didn't happen to oasis, it would've been good awful but enjoyable, Imagine the Alan White or other members no one knew getting song and all of them being about how unbearable the brothers are, a darn travesty
For me, it will always be "Nirvana Killed My Career," but this is a close second.
@@billclockwellI'm a defender of Be Here Now, but it's a shame we didn't get this, at least on some of the post BHN albums
Big in Japan is a fun one too
Take a shot when he says…
Stu's missing track "I Hate You John Fogerty"
Weirdly now I'm imagining a remix NWA's "Fuck the Police", except it's "Fuck John Fogerty"
@@NEEDbacon that remix is fire
Lyrics:
"I hate you, John Fogerty,
and just so we're clear
I'm talking about the one
that's standing over there."
*points to John*
Fin
Personally I find it hilarious that this was the best Stu could do and even with Fogerty clearly half-assing things his songs are still ten times better.
“I Cannot Fucking Wait Until John Fogerty Dies” by StuPEGMAFIA
Stu's songs: a terrible song about being a door-to-door salesman and diss tracks about John
Doug's songs: "I literally can't believe they let me write, I appreciate being able to contribute"
John's songs: "screw my marriage! screw this band! I need a break!"
Nothing but 'FUN' Mardi Gras times on this record.
Cue Poisons Nothing But A Good Time
It was an honour being the 420th Like on this masterpiece comment.
@@eamonndeane587 Should have called it Mardi Gras Hangover
@@eamonndeane587 I mean Doug was actually kind of on theme, and so was sweet hitch hiker, but the other 6 songs are way off no matter how you spin it.
When I heard CCR as a kid, I imagined John Fogerty as this 50+ year old guy with a big beard who had been through at least 3 divorces.
The man was like 23.....
Me too! And that's part of why their music works--it sounds like it's by some tough, gritty workin'-class guys who have seen a lot of life. That and it, well, rocks. Usually. I was AMAZED when I looked through their greatest hits and realised how many #1s they had had in how few years. It's like WHAT?!
And he wasn’t from the South either! I always imagined him as growing up just down the street from Mark Twain’s house or something
@@danstiver9135 I imagined him as a NOLA kid
To be fair, most 20 year old guys in the 60s / 70s looked 50.
When I saw a picture of the band I thought Doug Clifford (the one with the beard) was the singer.
For some reason, Doug's songs make me imagine the other three band members in the studio screaming furiously at each other, throwing instruments across the room. Meanwhile he sits obliviously in the background; using crayons to scribble down lyrics for this really neat idea he had.
So... the Beatles.
@@lucasbell4831 I don't know anything about the beatles... they fought a lot? I just know they're music legends.
@@CarlsCozyCorner Lennon and McCartney (The two lead songwriters) were very close friends at the start of the band, as they grew more popular and stopped touring they stopped working together as much and eventually came to clash A LOT. This led to the band breaking up in the end. There's lots of tales of them not performing on each other's tracks.
There are a few reasons people bring up. The death of their manager Brian Epstein, and John's relationship with Yoko Ono and eventual divorce of Cynthia Lennon.
People tend to say that The White Album is where things began to go off the rails. At one point Ringo literally quit for a week.
There was also George Harrison, who wrote songs but never really got to release as much as Lennon or McCartney.
One of the best comments I've read
Like Ringo?
"Doug and Stu say Fogerty's a tyrant. Fogerty says they're a couple of talentless ingrates. I don't know who's right."
It can be both.
Tyrant works in music, though
I read that in Lindsay Ellis' voice.
@@austinshoupe3003 You mean Janeane Garofalo
@@RideAcrossTheRiver no. I know what I thought.
@@austinshoupe3003 They sound the same
I know the names of the band members of course, um there's Bob Creedence, the founder, along with Billy Clearwater and Joseph Revival.
is this about the bible? cause "joseph revival" is perfect for a preacher.
princesstamika Fuck you all. Joseph Revival is now my stagename.
joe revival is a rad stagename
Nick Moore 😂😂😂😂
So, they named the band just like Emerson Lake Palmer and Blood Sweat Tears
This is probably the Trainwreckords I've rewatched the most. Every time I get to Stu's singing I laugh so hard I cry
The part where he adds excessive reverb to his voice made me die
Yeah, this is 1 of 3 I always go back to. The other 2 being the ones he did on American Life & Witness.
This is most definitely my favorite episode, I've watched it a dozen times at least, and the hollies reference always makes me laugh cause it's such a blatant ripoff
The melody on Looking For A Reason has the resemblance of a Muppets Sing Along music
@@Thomasmemoryscentral I didn't know that.
Apparently, Kurt Cobain's and Krist Novoselic's first band was a Creedence Clearwater tribute-band. So you could say CCR are responsible for Todd's best running-gag
If Nirvana killed so many hair metal careers, than CCR can admit they kickstarted Nirvana's career?
Fun fact about said cover band, Krist did guitar and vocals, Kurt did drums, and apparently “The band split after bassist, Steve Instant Newman, attacked Cobain with a vacuum cleaner; Cobain responded by braining Newman with a 2×4.”
I am not joking, that’s actually the story.
@@rowanmaclin1523who attacks another man with a vacuum cleaner outside of wrestling?
@@cherryt8478 The one and only Mr. Newman, apparently.
In how many videos there's this gag?
*Me trying to name the members of CCR*
- The good-looking one
- The moustache one
- The beard one
- The other beard one
Charlie Dawson
John Fogerty
John Fogerty’s Brother
Stu Cook
Dougie Clifford
I guess I’m just barely enough of a CCR fan to know this. I saw the video on ‘Mardi Gras’ & knew TiTS would get it right.
good looking where?
@@deleteable. John is handsome wtf
IT’S OVER!!! 😉
Here’s my way:
- The Beatle-looking one
- The one with glasses
- The bearded one
- The blonde mustached one
I love to imagine Stu as some Glen Quagmire-esque figure who becomes a door-to-door salesman because he thinks it’ll lead to sex, but he ends up conducting a sale without getting any, and it only occurs to him while he’s driving away, like “…wait…F$&@!”
If that was the intended reading, I could see why it'd be the b-side for "Sweet Hitchhiker"
That's a gag on one episode of Father Ted. Father Dougal becomes a milkman temporarily, replacing a milkman who had sex with women on his route. They approach him ready for sex before being frightened by seeing their priest delivering their milk. Dougal doesn't realise what was happening until he's in bed that night.
@@Demiglitch "THOSE WOMEN WERE IN THE NIP!"
Love that episode.
This sounds like every cartoon episode when the characters decide to become a "rock band", all get at each other's throats, and break up, back to the status-quo.
Yeah, now that you mention it, it does. Makes you think if the people who made those episodes were somewhat inspired by these bands; or wanted to sing for an episode, just to prove they could make it out there? Like South Park. They've done plenty of episodes where they form bands. Especially the Guitar Hero episode, called "Guitar Queero". It's this EXACT premise. And I loved every second of it. Good music too.
It's that one Saved By The Bell episode where Zack becomes Vanilla Ice basically
@ECL28E: Even Cartman’s band, Faith +1, was less acrimonious than that, and Cartman is a Class-A jerk
@@globetrekker86 Yeah, but Cartman's band DID break up, when they learned that they could never get a Platinum record. Remember the very end of the episode? Where Token kicks Cartman's ass, and then Butters literally farts in his face, and says, "fuck you, Eric", to end the episode? And by the way, Cartman's such a jerk, he invents a new class, the S-Class Jerk. Good point though, I just wanted to say, that's one of my favorite South Park episodes. Even my mom thinks it's hilarious, and she's a Christian herself.
@@shawnfields2369 That would be a cool One-Hit Wonderland episode in a fanfic universe
This album is like being in the room with two people who refuse to speak directly to one another and keep asking you to “go tell that asshole something for me”, but the other person is sitting ten feet away and can hear them just fine. It turns you, the audience, into the friend who doesn’t want to take sides but still has to participate.
This is the best comment i've ever read.
If that's the case, then I would be the asshole friend who tricks all four members of CCR to come separately to a room and when they got inside, I will lock the door behind them and tell them that they can't come out until all four of them have sort out their high school drama bullshit. (Before you ask, I would put plenty of food and drinks in the room beforehand, I'm not that cruel.)
@@rextheraccoon5156 Honestly, that has 50/50 odds of them either working it out from there or you coming back and finding only one person alive with everyone else having ripped each other apart.
cyanmanta That's also a pretty apt description of the white album. Except, you know. The white albums amazing
Honestly, I would probably side with John on this one, judging by the songs the other guys wrote and produced, it is depressingly clear that the only one of them with real talent and the skills to write songs and manage a band was John, and that he was carrying the band on his shoulders, but the others were a bunch of ungrateful bitches that fucked everything up with their entitlement.
My favorite part about Todd doing these classic rock episodes is asking my Dad about them.
Me: Hey Dad, did you ever listen to Mardi Gras by CCR?
Dad: Yeah. Why?
Me: A guy on the internet decided to review it and do a video on it.
Dad: Why? Does he hate himself?
Well yes, but that's unrelated to the album.
Cool dad. My dad is as non-rock (actually, non-music) as a human can possibly be.
@@DOSRetroGamer no music at all? He doesn't listen to ANYTHING?
@@thepassingstatic6268 sometimes the radio is playing quietly in the background, but he don't care what's on as long as it's not modern or too loud.
And "modern" is anything after 1970 😂
Well, he's old.
"Door To Door" sounds like the Weird Al parody of itself.
Allmusic says it's because he's trying to emulate John and I kind of agree with that. I feel like he's almost trying to make fun of John by singing like him but so badly that they tried to fix one with reverb and then gave up for the other two.
@Knock Out he ain't completely wrong lol
It was made because Stu Cook(Idk if I spelled that right, but I don't feel like looking it up right now) knew that Weird Al Yankovic would become big 15 years or so later and didn't want to be parodied. P.S. None of this is based on evidence.
I was gonna say it sounds like a shitty version of "Step Right Up" by Tom Waits but that came out like four years after this did so idk wtf Stu was doing there
@@ManOutofTime913 It's not reverb. It's double-tracked
You're a member of one of the most successful and respected groups in rock history. You demand more artistic input. And then you hit 'em up with a novelty innuendo song about being a sex-mad door to door salesman. That's pure genius.
It was a story that simply HAD to be told
@@BassesandBows By absolutely nobody.
I wouldn’t be the loosely-wadded-user I am today without the ambitions of Stu Cook
@@Champiness Nothing wrong with that. Sounds cool though, dude. Too bad Stu couldn't really write and sing all that well. It's not awful, and it's not the worst thing I've ever heard, but you have to admit, he sounds hilarious on this song. He sounds like he's doing a bad parody voice of another singer or something. He's a talented member of one of the most classic rock bands of all time, but the dude's talents aren't in singing and writing lyrics. No offense to any of his fans or anything like that, of course.
:/
Throwback to when the others tried to sue John for plagiarism and the courts said, "It is literally not possible to plagiarize yourself". The pettiness.
That was Fantasy Records who at the time had the publishing rights to CCR's stuff and thought the chorus to Fogerty's "Old Man Down The Road" sounded like a copy of CCR's "Run Through The Jungle." So it was more like "This solo artist sounds like the singer from CCR! Sue him!"
And he rolled into court with a damn guitar to prove they’re different songs.
John pissed away the rights to his songs to Saul Zantz so while counterintuitive, the lawsuit makes perfect sense.
And the song in question IS a rip off of his (now not his) earlier song.
@@cedarbay3994 that’s one way of putting it. Another way is saying a predatory producer/manager got a bad deal out of an unknown, desperate young group and sucked their blood until the band broke up and then let everyone buy John out of the bad contract.
@@takemyhand1988 That's hilarious. Written by John Fogerty and... John Fogerty.
The members are called
-John Fogerty
-Creedence
-Clearwater
-Revival.
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Or as I call CCR "John Fogerty and those three other guys."
No no no so many people think that but that guy's real name is actually Val Revi. John noticed the anagram & the rest is history.
And his brother Tom Fogerty
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426Makes sense to me.
Stu singing sounds like angry, edgy teenager who is too confident in his own talent (or lack thereof), and Doug sounds as if they forcefully pushed the shy and socially awkward kid in front of the microphone.
Whatever the case is, John Fogerty was THE voice. And if you're gonna hit the king, you might as well be sure to kill the king.
If you going to hit the king, you need to be sure you have what it takes to replace the king.
Come for the king, best not miss.
I liked Doug’s voice.
@@sammanthaneys1444 It's got that old country tone to it. I wouldn't like it all the time, but it's okay.
With that reverb stu sounds like he's shouting down a lift shaft at a microphone that's in a garbage can next too a backfiring motorcycle engine, without it he just sounds like a drunken idiot doing karaoke who is just sing shouting into the microphone.
"Take It Like a Friend" is one of the funniest goddamn songs I've ever heard.
"MAYBE YEW'LL MOVE OVERRRRRR, GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHAAAAAAAAANZE"
FAHGAT BOUT DA OTHAAAAARZ, MOOOVED OUT TO DA LAAAHGHT SHOWIN AMPTEEE HAAAAAAANDS
@@dannerhoinowski9520 BEEN SO LAAHNG SINCE WEEE BEGAAAAN... HOPE YEW TAAAKE IT LAAHK A FREEEHND
And "Sail Away" isn't as hilarious but it's still pretty damn funny.
LAAHCK DA DOOOOOR
DA CAPTAAIN OF DA SEEEA... SHOUTIN' OOOORDERZ TO HIZ CREEEW
@@EazyB90 a small part of me wishes Stu made even more songs on this record, just to see what other great “ideas” he had
@@dannerhoinowski9520 same here lmao. You know you're onto a winner when "Door to Door" is his best song on there, and it's still hilariously awful.
@@EazyB90 i cannot for the life of me figure out the thought process Stu went through before determining that a song about a horny salesman was a good idea for a song
"Quick! Does anyone know CPR"
"Errrr... I see a bad moon risin'"
"THAT'S CCR!"
"Looks like we're in for nasty weather."
This actually made me laugh. Thank you.
"It's OK! The guy having a heart attack is a werewolf! He's better now!"
"DO SOMETHING HE'S DYING!"
"He ain't no fortunate one"
What’s this dialogue from? It’s hilarious.
I showed this video to a coworker who loved music.
He actually named all four members of the band without hesitation.
Is the joke here that he loved music in the past tense before listening to this album, and now he hates it? If so, that's pretty clever 👍
Did he though, or did he just say random names and no one knows if those are right or not
That's pretty good. I knew it was John Fogerty, John's brother, Doug Clifford and a guy named Stu.
"Loved" because you stole that love by showing him this video?
"Loved" because the pure shittiness of this album killed him?
this album in a nutshell: stu and john: *literally trying to murd3r each other while shouting every insult ever at each other*
doug: oh boy time to write my neat songs with these nifty soundproof headphones while dodging the flying instruments.
First line of Mardi Gras:
“I’m looking for a reason to stay”
So fucking apt
The absolutely amazing thing about Creedence is that the animosity never ended. Tom literally died hating his brother John..
I can see the same thing happening with the Gallagher brothers. They hated each other during OASIS' prime, they hated each other when they broke the band up, and they still hate each other now. They'll probably hate each other to the grave.
@@heymistercarter.I respect the consistency.
@@heymistercarter. They once said if they were running a shop together instead being in a band they'd still argue constantly!
Thing is Liam keeps going on about an Oasis reunion while Noel is fine doing his solo stuff.
@@heymistercarter. So about that
I think Someday Never Comes should’ve been the ending track, Sweet Hitchhiker as the opener, and Stu’s songs should go on the C side of the album.
*should go on the C side of the album.* that's clever!
"and Stu’s songs should go on the C side of the album."
That's the best insult that I've ever heard.
Funny fact: Monty Python actually made a record with three sides! The other side of the Tie And Handkerchief LP had 2 distinct groove tracks that the needle could follow. Depending on where the needle was dropped, you could end up listening to Side B or Side C.
@@1069KLICFM Holy shit, that is so cool!
Just leave it up to the Pythons to do something interesting with the format.
@Boni Chodes I C what you did there 😉
A chap I once worked with was stage manager at my hometowns biggest concert hall. CCR played there in 1971. He said,in dealing with them, he had never seen 4 people who hated each other more than those guys.
Creedence was a trio by 1971 tour
If he only knew Oasis and the brothers who hated each other in the 90s about 2 decades later, they'd probably do it as much with half the amount of members CCR had.
I remembered Stu is the bassist because he’s the only guy named Stu I’ve ever known in my entire life. I’m convinced it’s one of those names of people that you just never actually meet like Dale or Zeke
And Stu is short for Stuart. What's your point?
I know like, one Dale. He's addicted to oxycontin and lives in an el camino outside of our local Walgreen's. Poor Dale :(
I've met all three people with names like that.
And none of them were likable people.
virtzilla #prayforDale
@@catflynn9809 Is anyone else bothered by the fact that there was Lou Pickles, Drew Pickles, and Stu Pickles, but then Drew named his kid Angelica? Why break the pattern, my boy?
For all the drummer jokes here, it's funny that the weakest link on this album was the bassist.
chrisjt86 The opposite of the Beatles(George Harrison was the best solo artist of the four in my opinion. My Sweet Lord is the best song ever.)
Boni Chodes are you implying Harrison played bass
Brendan McCabe Yes. Why?
Boni Chodes Harrison played guitar McCartney played bass
Brendan McCabe Okay. My bad. Thank you for correcting my misconception.
stu's flagrant bitterness & vocals are fucking hilarious i can't even
Stu is Mike Loves illegitimate half brother lol
He sounded like a soft spoken Gilbert Gottfried.
@@capitolemiproducer And far less talented a vocalist.
usually when i watch trainwreckords, i can't really tell the "bad tracks" from the "good tracks" of a given artist. i'm not an avid listener or a big fan of any of the artists todd has covered so far, credence clearwater revival included, so i can't often hear a difference between their bad stuff and there usual fare. that said, as soon as "door to door" started playing, i literally paused the video and went *"wow...this is bad."*
the fatimagic same
Yay, I'm not the only one who has no clue who half these people are! I watch for Todd, I could listen to him roast bad music for hours!
This is an unusual Trainwreckords in that, unlike the "One-Hit Wonderland" singles, most of these albums are completely alien to me, but I'm actually familiar with a few of the songs on this album--John Fogerty's, of course. I kind of like "Sweet Hitchhiker"--yeah, as he said, it's a meathead song about picking up chicks, not Fogerty's usual thing, but it's got a good big rock sound to it.
Stu's songs, though, MOTHER OF GOD they're bad.
My dog woke up startled from a deep sleep when the door to door part started.
@@Ava6581 my dog did the same thing lmaooo
3:46
"They weren't rock stars. They wore flannel shirts and kept out of the news."
I'm glad you mentioned that. I never fully realized it, but now I think that's one of their strengths and their weaknesses. It's a weakness because it made it difficult to promote the band, but it's a strength because most, if not all, people looking back now judge them strictly on their music rather than just being the biggest of the jet setters or more famous for debauchery than music itself.
And they were wearing flannel shirts years before all the grunge guys in Seattle were doing so.
That is a weakness for doug and stu, because that highlights how talentless they were, and how important john was to the success of the band.
@@murciadoxial8056 Talentless is a little harsh and unwarranted. They can't sing well or not good enough in Doug's case and can't write interesting songs, but they can still play their instruments well. If Stu and Doug were inept as the rhythm section, CCR would've sounded like shit and they would've been shitcanned.
@@andypritchard9644 I guess you are right, but they are entitled fucks for sure.
@@murciadoxial8056 Oh yeah no question.
Todd’s dog became notorious for repeatedly describing singers’ vocals as “rough, rough, rough” ;)
I'm with Todd on this one. It's a little hard to believe that Foggerty is being a prima dona and demanding the others write tracks as well when they didn't want to when 90% of the shit they wrote is shitting on Foggerty for hogging the spotlight.
PeaTearGryfin Yeah, the final thoughts are probably how it went "You want more input, make your own trash!" Funny how John Fogerty's band was simply "John Fogerty" after this.
Prolly why Fogerty still tours and can still sing like a champion. Honestly love CCR they're timeless and at least we got so much content out of them so quickly before they disintegrated into the sun. Kind of the problem when they burned too bright too fast but I think the music we got was worth it
@@chads.4333 Check out his covid concerts, they're great.
It might be true for Stu but not Doug. Doug's songs are just generic "I like rock and roll" jams, i.e. exactly what a guy who has just been pushed in front of the mic would come up with.
This reminds me of the the Family Guy cutaway with the Beatles. Ringo gives him the sheet music to a song he wrote; and they hang it on the refrigerator.
Or when Quagmire says that Fortunate Son played throughout the entirety of his tour in Vietnam
"I'm gonna put it riiight here"
wstine79 hey I remember you.
I actually liked most of the songs Ringo sang. I don't know if he wrote any of them besides _Octopus's Garden,_ but he tended to be lead singer for one song per album. He added variety and humor.
r0kus what would you think if I sang I sang out of tune
"I Hate it Here": the Album
It's like the Beatles all turned to Ringo and said "You write it".
Except Ringo actually could create songs. And is talented/smart enough to know when he's in over his head, and needs to bring in others to help.
A solitary second of Back Off Boogaloo is a trillion times better than everything Stu Cook made.
Ringo actually co-wrote a Number 1 billboard song. There are so many household names in music history that can not make that claim.
I guess you proved Todd's point -- Ringo did great songs and records, but it was always "with a little help from his friends". To this day, I doubt there is a single FULL album written and produced solely by Ringo. Had the Beatles let Ringo write an album ALONE, then yes, it might have been a disaster.
Well except that, as you say, Ringo is smart enough to know that would not be a great idea and would give writing duties back to John, Paul and George. But you gotta admit, Ringo WRITING a full album alone is something we're lucky that never happened.
So what you're saying is... he gets by with a little help from his friends.
@@jonathanvega7075 Ringo has 20 solo studio albums
I'll tell you how many people in my generation (grew up in the '80s) knew the names of the other guys in the band. There was an inescapable TV commercial for their greatest hits album. And it starts out with the announcer yelling, "DOUG CLIFFORD! STU COOK! TOM FOGERTY! AND JOHN FOGERTY!" That commercial aired multiple times a day for a couple of years at least. After that, I never forgot the names of the guys in CCR. What they looked like or what they did, I couldn't tell ya.
I remember that! I think...
I still couldn’t recall their names though. I did remember that “black dress” song was by the Hollies though.
Joe Blevins interesting, I didn’t know their names xD
That's like brainwashing you into remembering.
th-cam.com/video/_y1vP_RG-UI/w-d-xo.html the ad in question
There are so many old Dad Rock songs I only know 2 lines of & they all are smeared into 1 big song in my head bc of the K-Tel compilation commercials seeping into my earliest memories, so I can commiserate.
Stu Cook had heart attack inducing levels of salt on this album.
Stu’s so salty he’s giving people kidney stones
Stu Cook's so salty a bowl of salt is more appetizing.
Stu's got some salty chocolate balls on this album
As someone with pots I listen to this album daily just to keep myself from passing out
That "one-two punch" combo of "Lookin' For A Reason", followed directly by "Take It Like A Friend" is pure fucking genius! It's like witnessing one of the bands actual arguments in musical form. Fogerty's noticible depression, and Cook's petulant childishness are perfectly conveyed. You could turn it into a scene in a musical and it wouldn't be out of place. Hilariously awesome.
Honestly, if you could make the songs a little more early Credence-y to stop people walking out, this would TOTALLY work as a biographical musical.
“I used to like it here…I can’t remember why-“
“MAYBE YOUD MOVE OVER GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHAAANCE-“
This is true, the only issue there is that the songs suck.
@@regularshowman3208Except "Someday Never Comes". That's the exception. But "Door-To-Door" sounds like Stu is trying to sing like a drunk grandpa, doing a bad, drunken impression of somebody else(which I bet it could've been him trying to mock somebody else), and the drummer's songs make him sound like Hank Hill trying to do a country song while sounding like he's either drunk, or trying to do an impression of a soul singer. Badly. It's hilarious as well.
This explains alot, I always wondered why CCR wasn't as popular as other bands like the Beatles and The Rolling Stones and didn't have big comeback tours or on the Super Bowl half time show. It's because they made all that great music in 2 years, broke up and people didn't know anything about them personally. Like who was who.
It greatly depends on the place, I think. Here in Argentina CCR is huge. It is more likely for people to recognize a CCR song than a Beatles or Rolling Stone song. And people are familiar with John Fogerty's name.
It always surprises me when I remember that they aren't considered rock legends in the US (comparable to the Beatles) like they are here.
@@Clean.Eastwood yeah that's crazy and they have some many songs. The only thing John Fogerty is known for as a solo artist to the general public is Bad Moon on the Rise.
AMYDOG.
I think the issue was that John Fogerty was the only big talent, with the others just being good musicians. If he kept his buddies as session/touring musicians and rotated them in and out when they started to have issues, CCR might have lasted longer and may have had a bigger impact overall (like Todd said, akin to Bruce Springsteen).
No matter, CCR is still considered one of the greatest rock bands of the 60s and 70s.
@@Clean.Eastwood Saludos Argentina! CCR is highly famous here in Brazil too! My father loves them and me aswell.
The story I've always heard, and the context that's totally missing here, is that this album is more about Fogerty's anger towards Saul Zaentz. The band originally signed with Fantasy Records when it was owned by someone who they considered a friend. They knowingly signed a contract that was label friendly because it was a small label run by a friend. Then Fantasy went bankrupt and was purchased at bankruptcy auction by Zaentz. So they ended up working on a shitty contract owned by one of the wealthier people in showbiz. Fogerty was furious and wanted to renegotiate, Zaentz refused and the other band members (including his brother) didn't back him up. So John figured that since the band profits were split evenly by contract, all band members should contribute equally in writing and vocals. Tom quit partially because of this and partially because of his health. In the end Tom & John tried to reconcile while Tom was on his deathbed but Tom still considered Saul Zaentz a friend (probably in part because he helped Tom pay for his health care) and John couldn't let that go.
damn, that’s greek-play-levels of tragic
Zaentz was a bad actor here. I think the band mainly knew him, not because they were family friends, but because the band members had jobs in Fantasy's mailroom & they used that as their "in" to getting a recording contract. But because they basically came to Fantasy as nobodys, the contract they signed was super exploitative, even though they were pretty much responsible for all of the label's wealth. (Seriously, Fantasy was mainly a niche jazz label before Creedence & Creedence were an album-selling juggernaut with sales in the millions. Fantasy had nothing comparable to Creedence.) So John has a right to be pissed about Zaentz, because Zaentz basically got richer off of John's hard work & talent than John did himself. In addition, Zaentz sued Fogerty for plagiarizing himself (no really... Zaentz owned one of John's CCR songs that John borrowed from in his solo years) & there was also a lawsuit about the inclusion of "Zanz Kant Danz" on John Fogerty's Centerfield album. I don't know all of the details, but the song was yanked from later pressings of the Centerfield album & earlier pressings with the "Zanz Kant Danz" song are worth slightly more money.
@@jonsrecordcollection7172 AFAIK Zaentz wasn't the owner of Fantasy when they signed. The original owner WAS a friend of theirs. AFTER they signed the contract, Fantasy went bankrupt and was purchased at bankruptcy auction by Zaentz. But yeah, it became personal somehow and there was plenty of petty and antagonistic behavior back and forth between the two after that.
And Zaentz used the money that he made off of CCR to fund films, including... Bakshi's animated Lord of the Rings! It's a small world after all.
@@TacticusPrime And although he had sold the controlling rights by then he still had some points when they finally made Jackson's LOTR films 20+ years later. So he made money off them as well...
If "Lookin' For A Reason" was released a decade earlier, you would probably hear it in Fallout: New Vegas.
Yeah I could hear it on Mojave Music Radio.
@@6eggsinmybrain Its perfect for it.
I refuse to belive it wasnt sung by the guys behind (you let the blues move in) now im movin out
I was actually going to leave a comment saying that until I saw this.
"We won't go quietly the Legion can count on that" every NCR solider and ranger
John was the band. He wrote the songs. He could have filled the other positions with any session musicians. The problems tend to arise due to song writing royalties as the writer gets rich quick while the band members struggle to pay bills. That’s what happened in Smashing Pumpkins.
Really? Was it only Corgan? I thought Iha shared song writing duties.
Yep just like Megadeth and Mustaine
the difference is each member of the og pumpkins was extremely talented on their own, even with corgan being better than all of them and outshining them. meanwhile in creedence john was a talented dude and the rest were shit
@@charlottecorday8494It was mostly Corgan writing everything. Pretty sure Iha wrote 'Mayonnaise' which is one of my favorite SP songs, but I don't think he wrote much else. Corgan has said that only him and their drummer (Jimmy Chamberlain) could play music at the professional level, and he had to re record Iha and Darcy's parts on the records because they could hardly play.
@@based_dragon_0110Shitty song-writers for sure, but hey the others guys were still competent at their instruments at least
That remark about the hippies who weren't is perfect; making me think of how many went fundie Christian conservative in the 1970s. I was raised by such a person.
Must have taken something that made them see God.
They’ve been making shit decisions since they’ve been able to crawl. Those who were AND those who weren’t.
You were raised by Flanders?
"Bruce Springsteen never has problems like this with his band"
Actually he did multiple times in the 70's and early 80's, but much like the mafia they keep all of their personal shit personal and don't really discuss it in public.
Much like Bon Jovi.
@@MacanWigit
And AC/DC.
The young's were famous for keeping such a tight lid on what was going on behind the scenes in their band that when phil rudd was fired for the first time in 1984 the media didn't even know that it had happened until the band started doing promo tours for fly on the wall in 1985 and they showed up too the first presser with simon wright in tow and dropped the bomb phil had been let go the previous summer for "undisclosed reasons" (he was a raging drunk and coke addict at the time)
I think someone needs to go and check if there's anybody from the E-Street Band buried under Shea Stadium.
@@Demiglitch
Nah, they'd be buried under the Asbury Park Convention Center.
@@Hammerhead547So no go on the checking thing then? Alrighty then. Oh well. Can't hurt to ask at least, right?
"Hope you take it like a friend."
That would require you to give it like a friend, Stu.
The vocals on "Hope you take it like a friend" sound like the guys from South Park singing a parody of a country song.
They couldn't sound MORE like the guy from South Park singing a bad country song parody! It also doesn't help that Stu also looked like Weird Al's evil twin brother trying to sing a bad country song on what was the MOST popular rock band of the late 60's-early 70's.
John’s is most definitely the more truthful account of how this came to pass. He is a multi instrumentalist and actually composed all of the parts on previous Creedence records. The bass line, the drum beat, everything. If you listen to his first couple of solo records, he went the prince route after the band imploded, playing every part on his solo records. In fact his second solo record took nine years to complete because he decided to teach himself saxophone rather than bring in a sax guy.
The other guys became very jealous when they saw how much more money he was making with all the songwriting royalties.
Yeah it's kind of a shame how badly the CCR break-up fucked him up. Even if you don't include all the label bullshit that went down afterward, he was clearly messed up by the rest of the band turning on him. I feel like he'd have been bigger than CCR ever was if he'd just formed a new band, but after the last guys he didn't trust anyone to just play the music.
@@Aleph3575 I can't believe how long the lawsuits all dragged on for, too --- traumatic.
Can you imagine Fogerty & Neil Young in the same room together? They temperamentally + musically remind me of each other & I wonder if they'd get along or if it'd be a matter/anti-matter=boom situation.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 They'd work together for a day and then leave, but not in an explosive way. They'd both just go without telling the other and assume the other was still in the studio.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Or it sounds like the setup for CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH!
Even using this album and the most cursory knowledge of CCR, imo john's account is still 100 percent the most believable. John's songs are all about how he's depressed and unhappy and the other guys have multiple songs about how john won't let them write (not to mention, no songs about john forcing them to write .)
John definitely wasn't completely innocent and benign, but it feels like the other guys realized their stuff was hot shit and needed someone to blame
As much as I love CCR I wouldn't call their music timeless. Listening to them and closing my eyes feels like I'm a draftee on my way to Vietnam
They sold the rights to their music, so it got shoved into every Vietnam War movie ever because they didn't have bargaining rights for royalties.
shit, no royalties? That sucks big time for them. How much did they sell it for?
@Brandon Roberts IT AIN'T ME!
Sheesh, even with “Sweet Hitchhiker”, I can feel the bombs dropping all around me.
Also their period of dominance exactly paralleled the height of the war in American minds. 1968-1972
The scary thing about Todd comparing the whole situation of Mardi Gras to The Beatles is that the Beatles actually almost did the same thing Creedence did. They tried to plan on making another album after Abbey Road as they would've dissolved the Lennon-McCartney partnership and each of the members would write four songs. That never happened though because The Beatles ended up breaking up instead. Looking back, I'm really glad because following up Abbey Road in the state they were in would've been a mess.
@@soaribb32 Technically, Let it Be was recorded before Abbey Road. It just wasn't released until after the band had already broken up.
And Pink Floyd also had an album where everyone wrote an equal portion of it (Ummagumma). Looks like it was a trend in late 60s-early 70s.
Thing is though that they were individually solid songwriters. The White Album was basically just 4 solo projects stiched together. George was starting to hit the same level as Lennon and McCartney with Something and especially Here Comes the Sun. Even Ringo had Octopus' Garden and I don't care what anyone says I adore that song and will until I die. I think going out on Abbey Road was best. I remember they all said that it felt like the right end point.
@@ok3339 Hahaha, "The best solo albums from the former Beatles:
Ram!
Plastic Ono Band!
All Things Must Pass!
Ringo..."
@@MexicanHeadbanger95 Ringo's third solo album was actually titled "Ringo"
Never thought an album called "Mardi Gras" would sound so pathetic and sad
So sad
Holy crap Stu's songs are hilarious
If you listen to Stu's songs and then listen to Bill Paxton's songs from Club Dread they kinda sound alike. Except that Bill Paxton is a better singer. Especially if you listen to Door to Door and then Naughty Cal.
Stu has inspired me with his music to Keep It Loosely Wadded
Yeah, Stu sounds like he's trying to scratch his throat whenever he sang his songs.
LOCK THE DOOR
They're more sad and petty I think. If he was trying then those songs were his best efforts. If he's not trying then he's deliberately taking the piss just to talk shit to John.
*rewatches the video again*
"Who's this guy?"
Why it's Stu Cook, the bassist of CCR!
most educational video you've ever put out
And their worst singer
The Beginning by The Black Eyed Peas..... you know you want to Todd
This album gets brought up a lot, but I don't really think there's a lot to go over. The album is awful, but it's really just "The E.N.D., but worse." Maybe there's something I'm missing.
Here's the thing: It wasn't really the album that killed their careers and it wasn't even that bad. It was no worse than The E.N.D, anyway.
What really killed their careers was their disastrous Super Bowl Halftime show the following year.
sockpuppetkingdom The E.N.D. was extremely successful though inspite of all the Peas' bad habits. The Beginning on the other hand was just bad, and seemed to signal the groups fall from relevance before Wil.I.Am's departure.
Doesn't really count if the band was always shit.
I'll honestly defend The Black Eyed Peas before their post-2009 electroclash phase. They had a unique dynamic and creative, eclectic beats that really stood out at the time. With the exception of "My Humps" and a couple of other mediocre songs, I honestly liked most of their stuff. "Pump It", "Hey Mama", "Let's Get It Started", and "Shut Up" are total bops. And "Where Is The Love" is a classic.
You should all check out the songs they've been releasing this year. Fergie is now gone and they've gone back to their roots. Their new songs actually have substance and feature scathing political commentary. "Street Livin'" is a must listen.
God I love this series
I'm really glad that this became a thing since the 1st episode with jewel. Love the series as much as OHW.
@@shadowlinkbds Me too. It's a shame that he can't do this more often due to his reviews and OHW episodes.
Can’t wait for more of this series
I'm only a casual visitor to the channel and this has now turned into one of my favorite shows. I hope he keeps 'em coming.
John Fogerty
Tom Fogerty
Dom Forgerty
And Don Forgerty
Abigail Folgerty
@@aliceborealisCan't forgetty about her...
Surprised you didn't mention Tom Fogerty's HIV-related death in 1990, which just makes all of this even more depressing. He and John still weren't on speaking terms when he died.
Maybe because it would make everyone feel like I do now.
He got it from an unscreened blood transfusion
Okay, so it wasn't cancer. But I know that Tom pissed off John when Tom spoke about still being friends with Saul Zaentz. Zaentz was also been rumored to had paid for Tom's funeral.
That is truly sad.
They just weren't schmogerty enough to last.
“It rhymes DOOR with DOOR!!” I laugh about this line a lot.
Only Eminem can pull off a rhyme like that: "they dress and talk like me, act like me, etc".
Kinda like Steve Miller rhyming Abracadabra with Abracadabra!!!
I wonder if Todd hates that line/rhyme more or less than when he did Metallica:
"He rhymes SEASON with REASON!"
Apparently it's in his favourite Metallica song but Todd has a mini-rant about how Season/Reason always sucks as a specific rhyme; it's apparently a common enough rhyme-pairing he's heard it enough to actually hate it in any song it's in. Which is an amazingly specific peeve, & I'm curious whether Todd's got multiple rhyme peeves or if bad rhymes grate on him in a deeper way, like misophonia.
@@Ramblebar hmm tbh I think the "I want to reach out & grab YA" that follows one of the Abracadabras is worse lol
That Bass player (Stu?) sounds like a South Park character
Michael Maclean yep 🤣👌
I literally said that in my head before reading this comment. 😂😂
Todd, you give us younger fans too little credit. We all recognize the name "Fogerty" because it's the most "schmogerty" name out there.
I WAS GONNA SAY
Everyone knows those hit songs "Moves like Fogerty" and "Schmogerty Fogerty".
Same for me. I'm not even much younger than Todd.
I was thinking that the whole time!!
Now that's a deep cut
Me: Oh, I've heard "Hello Mary Lou," so the whole album wasn't bad.
Todd: Play them back to back.
Me: . . . oh.
For me it came down to subtle differences in the vocals, but that was the first time I ever listened to a CCR cover and said “I liked the original better.” Even “Heard it Through the Grapevine” I thought they did a better job on, which feels much less sacrilegious to say than it maybe should because they gave it such a different vibe. Todd was right about this one-they really did add nothing 😑
I think of Todd’s boredom and anger saying “It’s the same fucking song. They added nothing” at least once a day.
Creedence performing Hello Mary Lou sounds more like a restored version of the original but with different vocals
Listen to their covers of "Good Golly Miss Molly" or "I Put A Spell On You." Inspired stuff. "Hello Mary Lou"? It's...fine, but formulaic.
Dam...That's just sad. You would think after nearly 50 years, they would've come to the conclusion that all of them were being unreasonable, buttholes to each other and make amends especially after creating magic with each other as a band for as long as they had. It's amazing how long people can hold a grudge. They could be doing some reunion concerts rn and be making remastered albums but nope, that's never gonna happen.
Ego is a funny thing. The others can't admit to themselves that they suck without John.
@@Anomaly188 and Tom died and never made up with his brother.
@@christopherwall2121 I thought they made up on Tom's deathbed.
@@Anomaly188 almost as bad.
@@Anomaly188 They didn't. Or it was only a "kind of" make up, because Tom was still good friends with Saul Zaentz (largely due to Zaentz paying for his medical care) who is the guy who fucked John out of a ton of royalties when he bought out their label. He also sued John for sounding too much like CCR on his solo records.
When CCR's first record was released it did pretty well but they earned very little money as it was mostly covers. John wanted to make a more serious career out of the band and knew their next record had to be a hit and had to be mostly original songs. John also knew that they had to have their own unique signature sound and that is how he came up with making them a "swamp rock" band. While they were working on "Bayou Country" and had just recorded "Proud Mary" which was certain to be a much needed hit, John left the studio early one evening while the other three members remained. The other three began adding extra tracks to the song. They didn't get the whole "swamp" thing and they thought of themselves as more of a San Francisco 60s-hippie type band like dozens of other totally disposable bands of that era. They hired a bunch of girls to ad multiple background vocal tracks and they got some hippie to play a flute solo!! When John arrived the next day and heard what they had done he was in complete horror. The song sounded awful. The simple soulfulness was sacrificed and replaced with cringe worthy awfulness. John immediately erased the added tracks and ordered the sound engineer to NOT ever allow any more recording without him being present. It is really at this point that John totally seized absolute control of the band. It was painfully obvious that his band mates were clueless and just didn't get it. His power grab is what guaranteed the next five albums being the great masterpieces they were.
I saw Stu and Doug's version of CCR a few years ago. The fact that you have to hear Stu's 15 minute bass solo thru about 11 effects pedals leads me to believe Fogertys version of shit
A 15 minute bass solo in a CCR song? Are you sure you didn't accidentally catch rush playing lol?
@@Sayajin3321 lol it felt like it
@@Sayajin3321 Nah cuz Geddy could probably keep a 15 minute bass solo interesting
Fogerty has always been blatantly honest about everything
@@dyldragon1 Plus Geddy doesn't mess around with effects pedals much. He has the synths for that.
The Revolution Betrayed by Leon Trotsky (1937)
John Fogerty is going to introduce the rest of the members to an ice pick any day now.
Stalin could probably write a better song than these guys.
This is almost as painful to listen to as the smackdowns Lenin wrote about Trotsky is satisfying to read
Ok. IMO based on the album presented as is, I think BOTH sides are telling the truth. Fogerty was burning out from doing all the work, the rest the band wanted fame w/ the fortune. Pressure from rigorous touring, writing, recording, etc. was causing increased tension between the members. So from John's point of view, the band is trying to seize power, and from the bands point of view, John is an evil dictator destroying their democracy....Ironic.
P.S. Stu can't sing for shit but I can't stop listening cuz its soo fucking funny.
I feel like if the other band members had put aside their pride, they could've found a better way to even things out and lighten the load on John (because I can totally believed he was burnt out as hell). Like, let's be real, not everyone can be good singers or songwriters. That's just how it is. Those are John's strengths so let him handle that. Meanwhile, maybe one of the other band members could ... I don't know, take up managing the band instead of John, etc. They should've delegated responsibilities in a way that played to everyone's strengths and kept the load from being too heavy on any one person. But I guess that wasn't glamorous enough for the non-Johns.
@@CylindricalWhistle Yeah, they wanted all of the recognition for less than half the work.
@@CylindricalWhistle That probably would've worked better. From what I've read Stu I think has a finance degree or something and John had no business being their manager because he signed them to a deal that screwed the band for years even after they broke up.
@@bigbearkat2010 Having a degree in something doesn't automatically make you competent. Look at Darksyde Phil, he has an accounting degree but he can't manage his money because he's an irresponsible idiot.
@@Anomaly188 I hear you but for all of Fogertys talents, managing was not one of them. I'm mostly on Fogertys side in all of this but the way he managed the band is one of the few legitimate gripes Doug and Stu actually have.
You know what I've realized? This is the album where the other band members try to get more attention, yet it's the only album that has cover art without any of the band members on it.
There are two truths in life. This series is the best God Damn series you've ever released and Door To Door sounds and feels like a Weird Al style-parody that he wouldn't make a video for.
The catch is that Weird Al's pastiches rarely misfire like Door To Door does. I'd rather listen to Side B of Dare To Be Stupid that a single verse of a Stu Cook song.
(Side B of Dare To Be Stupid is all stuff the label wanted him to write, and you can tell his heart just isn't in it...Side A is packed with classic Al)
@@Kylora2112 ok but Hooked on Polkas was on Side B and Al definitely did that without the Label's interference
@@Meme_Lor That's basically the only saving grace on Side B (and it's not even one of his better polka medleys, either).
I say this as a ginormous Weird Al nerd.
@@Kylora2112 am I the person in the minority that thinks that his 3 fastest polkas, Hooked, Hot Rocks and Eyes Out, are his best?
@@Meme_Lor I'd go with Polka Your Eyes Out, Polkas On 45 (the two with the most random assortments of songs), and Angry White Boy Polka (because of just how funny the juxtapositions are) as his 3 best. I'm not a Stones fan, so Hot Rocks Polka loses a lot for me, and Hooked On Polkas just doesn't have that many good songs (like, it's half "forgotten hits from 1984 that didn't age well and a couple of classics."
Excuse you Todd, Amy Dog gladly pulls her weight with amazing Twitter pics
TheMastermind WithAHat smol dog has the best twitter pictures.
I appreciate Doug on this album cause he does his job, Stu just to vents about Fogerty which is dickish and for Fogerty it's clear the magics gone. It's clear Doug just made the best of and tried. its clear the ones pushing for control aggressively were Fogerty's brother and Stu.
“Was the Creedence singer named ‘John Fogerty’? Nah, that was probably a guy from The Eagles or something.”
- Me, a millennial with self-confidence issues
"Um, actually, they're just called 'Eagles', so..."
-Me, also a millennial, but is instead an insufferable nitpicker
Are they the ones who were attacked by terrorists -me a millenial who doesn't know the difference between "The Eagles of Death Metal" and "Eagles"
I just had the same dilemma. Stupid self-doubt
Wrong band that was a running gag in The Big Lebowski.
"Caw caw Caw"
- Me, also a millenial but instead a real Eagle.
The *second* you played the song by the bassist it was clear it was bad. Ouch.
Someday Never Comes is a classic. I can’t listen to that song without tearing up.
Yes, an amazingly relatable song. "Someday Never Comes" is such an amazing song that it should've just been its own thing, but it also singlehandedly saves most of this sinking ship of an album. It almost sounds like it should've been on another album, and was forced onto this one. And honestly, should've just been the final track of the entire thing, or strong enough to be played at the start, or even somewhere in the middle, or just somewhere else where Stu's godawful and hilariously bad songs couldn't touch it or wouldn't ever be allowed near, for the rest of time. Even if it Stu was singing badly on purpose, and could actually sing (maybe?), he still sounded like someone's drunken uncle doing a bad parody song. Also, even if most people consider "Sweet Hitch-Hiker" and "Someday Never Comes" to be the "low points" of John's career, those are still some pretty damn great, and enjoyable songs, through and through. But I don't see how either of those songs would be low points. They're amazing to listen to, regardless.
What a shame this album exists. Otherwise, CCR would've had an immaculate discography
Waste of a good cover too.
I think everyone deserves one dud, no?
Ann Nee Everyone deserves a Milk Dud, yes
@@annnee6818 I mean all 4 of Nirvanas albums (including incesticide) had almost entirely positive reviews. Doesn't matter if you personally don't like them. They were critically acclaimed and they were only popular for about two years before Kurt grabbed that shotgun so, 4 albums, none duds (not even the Unplugged album), so If they could do it, why couldn't credence?
@@chrisjt86 But what if they're allergic to nuts, or diabetic, like me, or my Dad?
Stu sings like someone's drunk dad, and the drummer (already forgot his name) sings like Mcgruff the crime dog!
Doug is the drummer's name.
Pls WaLuigi Dom Me lol 😂
@@dw89music73 so, Mcgruff the crime Doug
Doug "Cosmo" Clifford is his name. And he's seriously underrated as a drummer. Not flashy or super technical by means but his parts fit the songs perfectly.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Fair call, drives the band nicely at Royal Albert Hall, watch it.
“My thing should be louder on the record.”
I’m making it a habit to say this when working on material, even my own when I’m the only one on it =]
Do you quarrel amongst yourself?
@@Demiglitch Yes. Always 😁
Wow. I literally felt like I was watching an April Fool's video. As soon as the excerpts of the other band members "songs" started playing I was laughing so hard I was crying. Just the idea that a band as great as CCR would produce an album like this is like some gag from "Mr Show".
Looking forward to the next episode, "Amydog's thoughts on Eminem's Kamikaze".
Amydog in the shadows.
Dude now that I think about it there's like three Trainwreckord worthy Eminem albums
1000 woof's incoming
dyldragon1 everything went downhill from Encore ownwards.
dyldragon1 That is until you realize that a criteria for Trainwreckords is 'killed the musician's career'. The fact that Eminem's had three really bad albums alone shows that they're not Trainwreckords worthy.
IMHO: I'm totally in John Fogerty's corner. If your guy is cranking out a top 10 hit every 3 months, sit down STFU and enjoy the ride.
Yeah, I'd LOVE to be the Ringo of an amazing band, so I'm having difficulty rounding up any sympathy here. Sounds like John was literally handling EVERYTHING and doing great at it, so just sit back and play your instrument.
Also, I agree with Todd, why in the hell would you even demand to write songs when your material all sucked? Like, at least get some good songs in your pocket first to make sure you can actually do it. They spent so long focusing on whether they could that they didn't think about whether they should.
Yeah, Mike! Leave Brian alone!
The facts in this paragraph are strong bro. I get wanting to have more creative freedom, but if there is a obvious leader in the group who was making the hits and calling the shots, with how much they do... you LISTEN TO THEM lol.
@@davidbeckman7925 wait, which ones Tom? I've seen this episode like 10+ times but their names escape me each time lmao
@@Arcademan09 Sir Not Appearing on This Album
CCR aside, Stu Cook is a legend for producing Rocky Erickson's masterpiece The Evil One. The fact that the album exists at all, let alone that it's great, is a testament to Stu and his talent as well as patience.
It prob auto-corrected on you but I'm just putting the right spelling down in case people want to look him up --- it's "Roky", no 'c'.
Wow, ok it never registered to me it was THAT Stu Cook producing, even after watching Todd's video for years. Man, that makes it really hard to maintain my disdain for him, bc anyone who knows about Roky's music + life has to respect anyone protecting + facilitating Roky's capacity to create & his process of expression.
Unrelated but I gotta go listen to "I'm gonna free her" 100x now, but I appreciate that info.
ROKY
I hadn’t heard Someday Never Comes until after my dad had gotten out of prison when I was 11 or 12. It’s my favorite CCR song by far simply because it resonates so well with me because growing up there were many things I didn’t know about why dad wasn’t around.
This is one of those comments I won't be able to forget. I hope your family is doing ok & I hope your life has been full of joy + satisfaction to balance early heartbreak + confusion.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 get me a bucket please, I think have to heave
"Someday Never Comes" is the only reason I have that album.
Or you could have just got Chronicle, Vol. 1 if you wanted the song, where it's fittingly the closing track.
Todd attempting to be threatening and then he can’t take it and pets his dog but then still tries is one of the funniest things in this episode.
After watching this I realize Creedence and their flannel-wearing working class antics may have inspired a lot of the grunge scene. The grunge bands would've grown up hearing those songs and recently I found out that one of the earliest incarnations of Nirvana was a CCR tribute band. CCR were way ahead of their time in that regard.
John Fogerty- lead guitar
Tom Fogerty- guitar
Stu Cook- bass
Doug Clifford- drums
Your welcome younger viewers
Also I like sweet hitchhiker
That’s actually the lineup from 1967-1970, here’s the lineup from 1971-1972
John Fogerty - lead guitar
Stu Cook - bass
Doug Clifford - drums
Also John played harmonica too and a bunch of instruments
K
I thought I knew, but on the spot I went with Chris Clifford on bass and couldn’t remember the other guy.
Democracy doesn't always work in the musical sphere. I tend to believe John's side of the story: big bro Tom left because John was totally dominating the proceedings, and he gave in to the other two in order to keep the band together. But it was almost like he was saying "Ha! I told you so!" when this record was released --the band broke up only about 4 months later after it was critically blasted. Cook and Clifford are bang average musicians and even worse singers/songwriters. It really shows why Fogerty WAS CCR.
Its a shame that Someday Never Comes is on this album; I think its an incredible ballad.
That's the way it is in most of the arts. There needs to be at least one person taking charge, not so much to be a dictator or a president, more like a coach. One person who can see everyone's potential and points them in the best direction for it to be used. And a lot of the time people don't WANT to be the star, they just wanna play.
Sometimes it works in music, tho. REM apparently said from the get-go that they didn't want to have any hierarchy among them, everyone contributed (granted a lot of their music was pretty simple, so I can't imagine that was difficult). All four members of Queen contributed equally, but there was also kind of a "friendly competition" between all of them because all of them were crazy talented.
Democracy doesnt work at all
@@huntersmith8586 Yeah, CCR should have started a communist revolution.
@@vard000 Well Dilly, there were fruitcake Right Wing Nutters around even then, who made suggestions that CCR were in fact communist. Eg, Up around the bend was supposed to be about revolutions, they heard, Come on the Risin Wind as Come on Arise and Win. And Lookin out my back door, was supposed to be a call to mass drug taking, where Tambourines and Elephants are playin in the band, wont you take a ride on the flying spoon, was taken to mean getting stoned and using the spoon.........Amazing how cloistered your thinking can get if you let it be dominated by your ridiculous RWF view of the world, then as is even more the case now. Of course there is ample medical evidence available now which should exculpate such thinking due to their limited synapses and smaller corpus callosums, therefore the less potential to be open to new ideas and think laterally........... anyway, just sayin, CCR were communist for those who go looking for such things.
IronManx70 Glenn Frey of the Eagles said the same thing, that a rock band functions more like a sports team than a democracy. Everyone needs to do their job well, but not everyone's job means touching the ball.
“Let’s let the drummer write the music, it’s not like he’s any good.”
-Rush
Wyatt Corbin I mean, as the van Halen episode proved, just because you're a great instrumentalist doesn't make you a great songwriter, but also, Neil peart is like Keith Moon in that he doesn't really take the part in the songs that a drummer usually does
Neil wrote some of the best damn songs ever to be released in music history, and that’s why Rush has been and always will be my favorite band. They stuck together, worked hard together, and it didn’t matter who wrote what, they just did what they did and I love them for it.
Neil Peart is actually one of the main writters in Rush. That's why when he joined the band they changed their whole sound and lyrical content. So much so that nobody gives a shit about pre-Peart Rush, and if they say so, they are probably lying to try to look cool.
Matheus Moreira exactly, I’m kinda glad Rutsy had to leave, otherwise we wouldn’t have The Trees, Xanadu, By-tor and the Snow Dog, Subdivisions, 2112, The Necromancer, and countless others. But Working Man still kicks ass. It didn’t try to glorify life, it laid out how life really was for most people back then, you go to work, go home, and then what? Do it all over again. It’s what made them get recognized, and I’m rambling again... sorry, I just really love Rush. Been listening to them since I was a toddler
Yeah, I would say Working Man is the only song of their first years that is actually memorable, kinda like Wrath Child is the only Iron Maiden pre-Dickinson that sticks with me. Not that the first 2 albuns were bad, but Wrath Child is the only Dianno song I can actually remember how it goes without listening to it first.
Someday never comes really was an oasis in the middle of a dry hell
"It rhymes door with door!" Might be my all-time favorite put down on a song.
I showed this video to my mom, who's a huge Creedence fan. She had almost every reaction you did. She said, "That guy's right on the money; that album was awful."
using Jersey Shore to simulate CCR's bickering is one of the funniest jokes i've seen Todd pull.
My brother has "Someday Never Comes" on his Spotify liked playlist and it always brings a smile to my face when it comes on. May he never listen to the rest of the album it came from
I think I'm starting to notice a new trend with these trainwreckords. First we had the artist/band trying something new that they were woefully unequipped to pull off. Now with Oasis and Creedence Clearwater Revival, we have bands imploding under their own disfunctionality to the point where even their music suffered.
Same with Van Halen. A bunch of has beens that lacked direction to move forward.
I used to think John Fogerty was the sole reason for CCR's success. But after Fogerty's first solo album came out, I had to reconsider that idea.
John Fogertys solo material in my humble opinion tends to run the quality gamut from very good kinda rockin' dad rock to mostly middling dull gramps rock sadly his more recent stuff tends more towards the latter not even gonna mention that awful baffling covers record (which was more famous contemporary musicians who was obviously picked by synical music execs who arent really music fans and probably know little to nothing about John Fogerty or CCR ) "Wrote a Song for You!!!
Yep, many of Fleetwood Mac's best songs were essentially about the internal drama, hooking up and breaking apart, and the general in-fighting with the band. That kind of what makes that band so great, and they're still having issues after more than 40 years. This year, they fired Lindsey Buckingham because he was planning a solo tour to support his solo anthology album that was already in the works, and they didn't want to wait for him.
This is slowly becoming my favorite Todd series. Keep up the great work!
Even my music illiterate ass could feel how bad the non-Fogerty songs were when the first starts with what I can only describe as "sample beat #4"
Wow... at least Simon & Garfunkel manage to re-unite once in a while (even though it's just a really short while). THIS sounds toxic from start to finish.
That's the difficult thing about being in a band, it's like a marriage: everyone needs to work together and respect one another's autonomy while ultimately working towards the unified goal of a healthy, happy relationship for everyone involved. The reason the band I was briefly in fell apart was because we couldn't fit everyone's egos into one room, all of us were at different skill levels, we had conflicting tastes and ultimately nobody knew what we were working towards (and one guy kept spending out money without our permission).
A lot of musicians just quit the business because they hate how making music eventually just becomes a job and that you ultimately have to make compromises with everyone.
Simon and Garfunkel reunions crack me up- watching those two old hippies giving each other the most vile death glares while singing the most understated folk songs is hilarious.
katie lil, I have never seen them smile when they’re together lmao
You watch the Kodachrome/maybelline live there’s not even a smirk.... and how can you not smile when singing maybelline?
I think they're resentful of the fact that neither them have a successful career without the other
katie lil Do you seriously believe that Paul Simon hasn’t had a successful solo career?!