@@MakerFabio my 25a esc and brushless 2430 is now too powerfull without the transmission once it finally start spinning, its around 60k rpms. I believe a 30k rpm higher torque motor is best if deleting the transmission. The one I had laying around is for a power wheels kids car haha
first 10minutes crawling on short grass. Plastic gears shredded. Changed to steel gears, left the brass pinion alone. switched to drifting setup, lasted 10minutes. Pinion gear became gold dust. Im on my second pinion gear, and i cannot find a steel replacement, so this ill have to do as a final sendoff.
Gearboxes without mesh adjustment are a recipe for disaster i hate it i still havent been able to get the brushless motor to work tonight it gets an outrunner what kv do u think for drifting 4000kv ish?
Hi 4000 is too high if you want to do direct drive like here in the video The gear ratio is very short with direct drive Stay below 1000 kv is still lot of speed
Thanks. this was the intention., even if sometimes i think i should tell less and have the video shorter. people , especially modelers, are often problem solver, and they can make it just with few fundamental info. But as you said, on the other side, if you lack on confidence, here you have all the steps this type of comments help me choosing for next videos.
Ohhhh, thanks a lot!!! Couple months ago I decided to try direct mount drive on my wpl c24 with 3650 brushed motor with double side shaft.....still waiting for motor to come from China. Will reply later how it will be going....or maybe make a video....will see))) Thanks!
Looks great! I bet a 600 or 700Kv motor would be perfect but I know from experience they are difficult to find in that size. The frustration of scouring Aliexpress and finding every kind of spec BUT the one you need lol
At about 5 mins you find out the motor direction is wrong. You could just swap any 2 wires on the brushless motor to swap it's direction. Nice modification, I'm wondering about doing the same but keeping the gearbox
Hi, Not really, i tried actually. the car esc is not simmetrical. While the cheap3 euro it is, in fact there i just reversed the cables. Think, if you press the tx trigger to go backward, the esc will read a go back, so it applies brake at the first pull, then reverse at the second push. So the esc needs to know what is the “finger movement”, not sufficent to invert motor rotation. You should also have a tx with the “reverse”option
which motor setup would you recommend? the 2212 you showed in this video? or the 2430 or 2435 like other people put in them? Also why did you choose to delete the gearbox and how did it change the car?
It depends Mine 2212 is the cheapest approach, more efficient for batt saving, and you will save stripping gearbox issues The other could be more immediate in term of throttle response for drifting, because the inertia should be lower on the inrunner, i guess, bit i didn t try
Instead of soldering the external ESC power wires to the wpl board, can I just plug the battery into the external ESC if I keep the power wire on the ESC plug that plugs into the wpl board?
@@MakerFabio thank you for the response. I'm thinking that it will probably work. That way it'll be a more direct power connection from the battery straight to the external ESC. I think I'm going to risk my circuit board to test the theory. 🤙
@@brsrc759 i think you have good chances too. Please share with us the result then. It may improve the battery connection as you said Drawback(up to a certain point) is that you don t have the original switch anymore
Hello fabio, my stock receiver board have problem with servo! Everything is ok but servo is not working? I connect servo to other wpl d12 and its working but when iam put it in d12 mine , its not work , so the problem in stock reciever ! Can you help me which the components can i fix to solve the servo problem ? Few days ago …i swap the battery connections by mistake , then the servo not working and maybe loose somthing in the board ! Help me please
Hard to say I don t have the schematic of the receiver, and it could be the output of a microcontroller, so impossible to fix (without having the sw to be burned) but yes, if you swap the battery you may destroy the little output producing the pulse Very sorry for this
Very thanks to quick respond fabio, So this is second time i swap connect and bought stock reciever, so sad for it but thanks again man , I appreciate your time
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Yes 1000 to 930 will not change much. Even if this truck was already too fast and the 1000 version will make it even faster and not very smooth running at low speed (little more risk of cogging). But if just for some crazy run, also the 1000 (like the 930) should work just fine. I see there are also 820kv available, try to see the shipping time for those
@@MakerFabiohey man :) After a complete year, I finally had time to do this. Took me a bir longer than 3 hours even though I am good at doing these tasks. But the challenge was the small space and I want it to look like original 😅
@@MakerFabio thank you so much I have a mn99s which is kinda a clone of wpls so I was trying to reverse engineer that board kinda following your setup but it is different. Thank you so much for getting back to me.
Another great vedio, I already starting to like your vedios. I have a question, using high speed drives might wear and tear differential gears much faster, what is your opinion on this thought? Can you also do vedios on other wpl models? .... hats off to your efforts..
Hi , thanks I calculated the wheels speed it is about 2,5 times if i recall correctly, so a decent speed for an hobby grade car (this is half toy half hobby grade) But actually considering the gears quality (not outstanding) and the poor gear matching, it will short the life a little for sure. The direct drive speed is higher but the torque is maybe equal or less, so maybe the impact is not huge. But still for the wpl d12 it is totally worthed, smooth and faster, lower noise and power consumption (when running at the same speed , battery last forever)
@@marutheeshsai8578 hi, unukily, at the moment I don t have other wpl models, Maybe today i ll publish one on an diy rc boat outboard motor build out of the wpl d12 rear axle and some 3d prints plus a propeller. Almost completed the video i have an sg 1203 tank, and other 10 rc cars (tamiya , xray, axial, mst, sakura) ,2-3 of boats, 3 planes 1 fpv drone. So i will make videos about other random rc
@@MakerFabio ciao and grazie. will wait for your new vedios. Just for info there are millions of wpl/mn rc fans across the globe, your vedio on d12 was impressive.. especially the explanation on the electronics and the way they can be altered. Rc enthusiast like me would love to learn from your vedios. A gentle suggestion : Adding wpl models to your RC fleet can draw lots of viewers/subscribers to you channel.. just saying. Grazie e saluti. Martie
@@marutheeshsai8578 eheh you are probably right. Which other wpl models are the most famous at the moment? Then i want also to balance the video content and put also more about electronic DIY and not only models. So let’s see. But tell me a nice other wpl model, i may buy it
I guess it is better for speed. Maybe also for drift since drag brake is minimal, but throttle response is little slower than standard brushless inrunner
Hi, Not really, tou can not configure motor direction. tried actually. the car esc is not simmetrical. While the cheap3 euro it is, in fact there i just reversed the cables. Think, if you press the tx trigger to go backward, the esc will read a go back, so it applies brake at the first pull, then reverse at the second push. So the esc needs to know what is the “finger movement”, not sufficent to invert motor rotation. You should also have a tx with the “reverse”option. Better idea was to flip the axle gears
Not really, i tried actually. the car esc is not simmetrical. While the cheap3 euro it is, in fact there i just reversed the cables. Think, if you press the tx trigger to go backward, the esc will read a go back, so it applies brake at the first pull, then reverse at the second push. So the esc needs to know what is the “finger movement”, not sufficent to invert motor rotation. You should also have a tx with the “reverse”option
Hi I don t know a lot, i don t have the battery, i have to buy one, i have only the motor part of it, which is not working with a standard power supply
@@MakerFabio so you are almost in the same situation i'm...I ordered an original battery, when it will fail I'll take care of it by myself, thanks a lot!
i have melted 3 pinion gears and im done with the d12 transmission, thanks for this video.
Eheh, kind of poor quality gears for some brushless power
@@MakerFabio my 25a esc and brushless 2430 is now too powerfull without the transmission once it finally start spinning, its around 60k rpms. I believe a 30k rpm higher torque motor is best if deleting the transmission. The one I had laying around is for a power wheels kids car haha
first 10minutes crawling on short grass. Plastic gears shredded.
Changed to steel gears, left the brass pinion alone.
switched to drifting setup, lasted 10minutes. Pinion gear became gold dust.
Im on my second pinion gear, and i cannot find a steel replacement, so this ill have to do as a final sendoff.
Gearboxes without mesh adjustment are a recipe for disaster i hate it i still havent been able to get the brushless motor to work tonight it gets an outrunner what kv do u think for drifting 4000kv ish?
Hi 4000 is too high if you want to do direct drive like here in the video
The gear ratio is very short with direct drive
Stay below 1000 kv is still lot of speed
Such a great video with amazing explanation. Someone with lacking confidence could watch this video and be capable of doing these mods. Incredible
Thanks.
this was the intention., even if sometimes i think i should tell less and have the video shorter. people , especially modelers, are often problem solver, and they can make it just with few fundamental info.
But as you said, on the other side, if you lack on confidence, here you have all the steps
this type of comments help me choosing for next videos.
@@MakerFabio you nailed it, I would continue being descriptive as you were here for these types of videos.
Cheers
Thanks for the video, this is definately the best motor/gearbox solution i've seen
Excellent video, I'm putting a high powered motor/direct drive in a C24 once the parts arrive!
i just did it too, will publish the video within the week (maybe this evening)
@@MakerFabio Looking forward to it!
Fabio, this was an awesome job. Great. Thx.
Thanks for encouraging
very usefull to see that you use the stock tx/rx
Right, i think so. It would be a waste not to do that. Thanks
Ohhhh, thanks a lot!!! Couple months ago I decided to try direct mount drive on my wpl c24 with 3650 brushed motor with double side shaft.....still waiting for motor to come from China. Will reply later how it will be going....or maybe make a video....will see))) Thanks!
Hi, good to hear. Hope is going fine like mine!
Nice work well done looks good 👍
Thanks
Looks great! I bet a 600 or 700Kv motor would be perfect but I know from experience they are difficult to find in that size.
The frustration of scouring Aliexpress and finding every kind of spec BUT the one you need lol
Exactly.
At about 5 mins you find out the motor direction is wrong. You could just swap any 2 wires on the brushless motor to swap it's direction.
Nice modification, I'm wondering about doing the same but keeping the gearbox
Hi, Not really, i tried actually. the car esc is not simmetrical. While the cheap3 euro it is, in fact there i just reversed the cables. Think, if you press the tx trigger to go backward, the esc will read a go back, so it applies brake at the first pull, then reverse at the second push. So the esc needs to know what is the “finger movement”, not sufficent to invert motor rotation. You should also have a tx with the “reverse”option
@@MakerFabio you could have also flipped the axle differential around :P was a much easier fix in my opinion
@@imanigraham2768 this is a very good idea
Didn t think about it
@@MakerFabio great you good at getting things working!
@@c42cly thanks
you are amazing thank you bravo
Thanks for the enthusiasm
Gran bel video Fabio ...poi me lo riguardo e imparo meglio la modifica... ciao da Fidenza PR
Ciao
Grazie dell incoraggiamento!
which motor setup would you recommend? the 2212 you showed in this video? or the 2430 or 2435 like other people put in them? Also why did you choose to delete the gearbox and how did it change the car?
It depends
Mine 2212 is the cheapest approach, more efficient for batt saving, and you will save stripping gearbox issues
The other could be more immediate in term of throttle response for drifting, because the inertia should be lower on the inrunner, i guess, bit i didn t try
Just got one and they change the board it looks so deferent now. It now has 5 connector for LEDS now just a heads up for any one trying to do one.
Thanks for sharing the info
quick question because i am new owner of wpl. if we put a 2212 2400kv would be better for drifting? or not?
Hi
Not sure, maybe is a little too fast, and there is risk of cogging at startup
Instead of soldering the external ESC power wires to the wpl board, can I just plug the battery into the external ESC if I keep the power wire on the ESC plug that plugs into the wpl board?
Good question
Maybe yes, but i do not grant for this
@@MakerFabio thank you for the response. I'm thinking that it will probably work. That way it'll be a more direct power connection from the battery straight to the external ESC. I think I'm going to risk my circuit board to test the theory. 🤙
@@brsrc759 i think you have good chances too. Please share with us the result then. It may improve the battery connection as you said
Drawback(up to a certain point) is that you don t have the original switch anymore
Nice job anyway
Halo, I'm from Indonesia🤚
Hi, good to hear that the video spreads around
Hello fabio, my stock receiver board have problem with servo! Everything is ok but servo is not working? I connect servo to other wpl d12 and its working but when iam put it in d12 mine , its not work , so the problem in stock reciever ! Can you help me which the components can i fix to solve the servo problem ?
Few days ago …i swap the battery connections by mistake , then the servo not working and maybe loose somthing in the board ! Help me please
@maker fabio
Hard to say
I don t have the schematic of the receiver, and it could be the output of a microcontroller, so impossible to fix (without having the sw to be burned)
but yes, if you swap the battery you may destroy the little output producing the pulse
Very sorry for this
Very thanks to quick respond fabio,
So this is second time i swap connect and bought stock reciever, so sad for it but thanks again man , I appreciate your time
I'd kinda like to know how u run a tsky with a wpl remote?
If you watch the video it s visible
There is a plug for a standard esc
Hey man! great video. The fastest shipping I got is for 1000KV instead of 930 KV. Do you think it would work? I have no knowledge in electronics :(
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Yes 1000 to 930 will not change much. Even if this truck was already too fast and the 1000 version will make it even faster and not very smooth running at low speed (little more risk of cogging). But if just for some crazy run, also the 1000 (like the 930) should work just fine. I see there are also 820kv available, try to see the shipping time for those
@@MakerFabiohey man :) After a complete year, I finally had time to do this. Took me a bir longer than 3 hours even though I am good at doing these tasks. But the challenge was the small space and I want it to look like original 😅
@@erbsrn1620 good job. Anyway we do this also because we like to “do things” so if it cost little more time , but you did it well, it is OK
How wpl D42? Not have 4 pin socket
Did you wire the external ecs into the led or light output. I'm just trying to figure this out is all.
Hi. No, its not the led plug. it is an additional plug that was in the receiver pcb, don t know what was the purpose,
@@MakerFabio thank you so much I have a mn99s which is kinda a clone of wpls so I was trying to reverse engineer that board kinda following your setup but it is different. Thank you so much for getting back to me.
it's better to make your own connector to external esc than to have to damage the built-in components.
Hi, It depends by the soldering skills and patience available
what kind of battery did u use?
Hi, sorry for the late reply. I used both the original battery or a 650mAh 2s 30C. The current is not high at 2S for a low kv motor
Another great vedio, I already starting to like your vedios. I have a question, using high speed drives might wear and tear differential gears much faster, what is your opinion on this thought? Can you also do vedios on other wpl models? .... hats off to your efforts..
Hi , thanks
I calculated the wheels speed it is about 2,5 times if i recall correctly, so a decent speed for an hobby grade car (this is half toy half hobby grade)
But actually considering the gears quality (not outstanding) and the poor gear matching, it will short the life a little for sure. The direct drive speed is higher but the torque is maybe equal or less, so maybe the impact is not huge.
But still for the wpl d12 it is totally worthed, smooth and faster, lower noise and power consumption (when running at the same speed , battery last forever)
@@MakerFabio thanks for explaining. Any ideas on making new vedios on wpl/mn/jjrc rc models ?
@@marutheeshsai8578 hi, unukily, at the moment I don t have other wpl models,
Maybe today i ll publish one on an diy rc boat outboard motor build out of the wpl d12 rear axle and some 3d prints plus a propeller. Almost completed the video
i have an sg 1203 tank, and other 10 rc cars (tamiya , xray, axial, mst, sakura) ,2-3 of boats, 3 planes 1 fpv drone. So i will make videos about other random rc
@@MakerFabio ciao and grazie. will wait for your new vedios. Just for info there are millions of wpl/mn rc fans across the globe, your vedio on d12 was impressive.. especially the explanation on the electronics and the way they can be altered. Rc enthusiast like me would love to learn from your vedios. A gentle suggestion : Adding wpl models to your RC fleet can draw lots of viewers/subscribers to you channel.. just saying.
Grazie e saluti.
Martie
@@marutheeshsai8578 eheh you are probably right. Which other wpl models are the most famous at the moment? Then i want also to balance the video content and put also more about electronic DIY and not only models. So let’s see. But tell me a nice other wpl model, i may buy it
👍
You should submit it into the worlds fastest wpl D12 challenge. #WFD12
I just purchased the gps to recordo the speed,but i also just lost it in the apartment
Lets see if i found it i may try it
How’s the search going?
Eheh
Found it!
But i didn t measure the truck speed
Is that good for drift? Or just for speed?
I guess it is better for speed. Maybe also for drift since drag brake is minimal, but throttle response is little slower than standard brushless inrunner
can i use any car esc that is brushless
Sorry for the super late reply. Sure any car brushless esc is ok
If you calibrate the esc you dont need to reverse anything.
Hi, Not really, tou can not configure motor direction. tried actually. the car esc is not simmetrical. While the cheap3 euro it is, in fact there i just reversed the cables. Think, if you press the tx trigger to go backward, the esc will read a go back, so it applies brake at the first pull, then reverse at the second push. So the esc needs to know what is the “finger movement”, not sufficent to invert motor rotation. You should also have a tx with the “reverse”option. Better idea was to flip the axle gears
You just had to reverse 2 wires to reverse the motor rotation, don't need to tweak the potentiometer
Not really, i tried actually. the car esc is not simmetrical. While the cheap3 euro it is, in fact there i just reversed the cables. Think, if you press the tx trigger to go backward, the esc will read a go back, so it applies brake at the first pull, then reverse at the second push. So the esc needs to know what is the “finger movement”, not sufficent to invert motor rotation. You should also have a tx with the “reverse”option
@@MakerFabio wow too bad! Then well done 👍
Hi please could you help me with my Dyson V11 Battery? I don't know how to text you so i wrote here, sorry...Thanks!
Hi
I don t know a lot, i don t have the battery, i have to buy one, i have only the motor part of it, which is not working with a standard power supply
@@MakerFabio so you are almost in the same situation i'm...I ordered an original battery, when it will fail I'll take care of it by myself, thanks a lot!
Can someone link the motor?
€ 5,78 15％ Off | XXD A2212 2212 930KV 1000KV 1400KV 2200KV 2450KV 2700KV Brushless Motor for RC Airplane Fixed-Wing Multirotor Drones
a.aliexpress.com/_uiP4nl
Take the 930kv
@@MakerFabio ?
@@Rudestude yes? Is the link not working?
My motor keep beeping 🥲
A brushless one? Is an esc issue?
You lost me bro can you please do mine 😬
Ehehe never repeat!