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- We put the Ferrari 812 Superfast up against the older F12 and see which one is better.
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Still love the f12... the 812 just doesn't seem worthwhile in comparison
how about the f12 and the f12 tdf
i would love to see that race happen
Enjoyed this. F12 is the 🐐
The F12 is close to being my favourite looking car ever made, it's my dream car, great video Mark!
what’s your #1 looking car
@@shattashell1385 Fiat punto
when you said you need to be confident when driving the f12 i started laughing because i own a 599gtb and its really wild and raw..btw my next step is buying an f12 and keep my rosso corsa 599 ..these are the last real ferraries..thanks old pininfarina❤️
Marcel R. The GTO has an entirely revised exhaust system, including headers.
599 looks better than the f12 and the 812 imo.
as an owner of an F12 I can tell you you will be thrilled. It's a supercar disguised as a GT and the last Pininfarina-designed Ferrari ever...
@@spiller212 As an owner of an 812 sf it sits levels above f12 with interior design.
GOLDEN COMP As an owner of a F16 fighter jet, there is nothing compared to flying Mach 3 and beyond.
I respect power of 812, but F12 is keeper!
My thoughts too.
Agree💯
@@comparecars_org yes
Not me. The name is actually worthless.
I think the F12 sounded better than the 812, and I like the looks of the F12.
Front: F12, rear: 812sf.
God that 812sf spec is just perfect, love it!
X: 812sf
O: 812gt
Mine is the new body style with the old interior
I've owned both. Here is my best attempt at an unbiased rundown/comparison:
Speed/Acceleration:
812. Obviously it's objectively faster but it isn't just that. It feels noticeable faster at all speeds but especially over 100 mph it just keeps building insane power and the top end is far above 211 mph stock. Above 6000 RPM it hits another level and is mind bending. I had it for a few weeks before I felt like I could put the pedal to the floor -it just explodes when you do. Truly something else. The F12 is insanely fast but feels less "torquey" -more like the speed comes from the speed the engine is turning, less from the power it produces. The 812 also puts the power down better and revs higher. Both have more power than you'll ever need.
Handling:
812 by a mile. Four wheel steering, suspension, more advanced rear diff, and traction control are far more advanced and like the video says it's just an easier car to drive fast and slow. The way the four wheel steering reduces body roll is impressive. Any time you floor the F12 you have to really focus to keep it going in a strait line because the back end is so twitchy. Bumpy road mode is a little better than the F12 as well, but not by much. The 812 traction control is so good that I took it out on completely iced roads and it handled it almost as well as my 4 wheel drive Jeep wrangler -unreal.
Interior/Fit & Finish/Tech:
Again kind of obvious but the 812 is a pretty big leap forward in quality, ergonomics, interior quality, and form/function. This is the way it should be with a newer model and it is. Everything looks, feels, and works better PLUS - no sticky buttons in the 812.
However, there is something about the F12 interior that feels very retro-tastic :). It was introduced only a decade ago but kinda gives you the feeling of like a 1980's BMW M5 if you ignore the infotainment screens. Something about it is very aesthetically pleasing.
Sound:
F12 takes this one. The pitch of the engine is a little higher and screams a little louder -both from inside and outside. If you like your V12s to sound like an F1 car then F12 is it. The 812 has a slightly lower pitch and just a little more growl to it. Still sounds like an F1 engine but very slightly muted. Also the engine noise while driving the 812 is less present and I think that's down to improved cabin noise insulation. If you crack the windows in the 812 the difference is night and day and the noise is still glorious. The F12 cold start is better as well -deafening in a parking garage.
Looks/design:
Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder but here's my two cents. Both have amazing road presence and turn a relatively equal number of heads (both shades of red, Rosso Corsa for the F12 and Rosso F1 2007 for the 812). From the side while on the road I think it's very close and pretty easy to mistake one for the other with a quick glance or to the untrained eye. I give the front view to the 812. It looks a little more sexy to my eye, even wicked. The rear view goes to the F12. The single circular tail lights with the body lines extending down to the rear diffuser is so unique and iconic -can't beat it. The 812 gets criticism for being too busy or less "classic" but so did the F12 when it first came out. Overall I prefer the looks of the 812 but only by a very small margin. I'm in my 40's and feel like it is a little more sleek, modern, yeah and like I said sexy/wicked. The F12 is freaking gorgeous though and as of now I would agree that it's a more classic design.
Intangibles:
Every car gives you a unique feeling when you drive it. The F12 a more raw, primitive, batsh*@t banshee of a car and yes it feels like letting your guard down while driving it might cost you your life -which is kind of bad ass. The 812 feels like a safer, well controlled ballistic missile.
I traded my F12 in for an 812 and here's the best analogy I can come up with for how I felt about the experience:
Pretend you own an F16. You've had it for years and love it. It was revolutionary for it's time and would still hold up very, very well in certain situations. It's a classic, a legend. Someone offers you an F22 Raptor which is basically superior in every way -it would be hard to turn down the F22 but you'd still miss the hell out of the F16. There you have it. Can't go wrong with either though.
Much love 888MF, great video.
We currently own a f12 berlinetta, I recognize your opinion on the f12, it really is a great car, I don’t know if I think the 812 is better tho, I think the f12 is one of the best Ferrari’s you can buy, it really has everything you want in one car!
Very insightful comment thanks for sharing! I personally lean towards the F12 more.
@@joelverhaegh6727 The F12 is special and you'll get zero arguments from me if you prefer it. Already established as a classic, definitely one of the best Ferraris ever. 812 has a lot to measure up to as far as legacy. Enjoy the F12 and be safe!
@@darmerc2147 F12 is something else, has a mystique that's undeniable!
With the F12 I always remember Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear saying he loved it, but maybe the car needs a little less horsepower. Your review has proved that this seems to be the ultimate usable Ferrari, no need for its younger brother.
I totally agree, although both cars are great.
Search for "condor f12 vs 918" after the Clarkson piece, this was what made me look at this car as a proper car.
Two thoughts on this video:
1.) You criticise the sound of the cars - I am not sure what you are talking about, but I own an F12 with an OEM exhaust and it is by far the loudest and most "present" sound in a group of modern supercars (I drive a lot in groups with friends owning McLarens, 488s, 430s, R8 V10s and also a Performante). In a tunnel run I even once "shut down" an Aventador SV. So I am not sure we are talking about the same car(s). Especially after you compared it to mid engined Ferraris and mentioned that both of the V12s are not as loud as "expected". In my experience, it is completely the opposite (especially when considering how the 488 sounds for example).
2.) You say that the F12 feels "slow" compared to the 812. I once got the opportunity to drive an 812 back to back with my F12 and later on against each other on the track. The 812 is a stiffer car, has a faster gearbox, turns better, "feels" more agile and so on (question is - do you want all this in a GT?), but power-wise I could not feel ANY difference to the F12. In fact, I took a passenger (around 85kgs) with me while we were driving on track with a full fuel tank and the 812 could not out-accelerate us even up to very high speeds. It would have been quite strange, given that the 812 only has around 8% more power. I guess you mean that the F12 doesn't feel as fast around corners, but power-wise there is not really any difference.
Thanks for the video, it was interesting to watch!
There definitely is a power difference. You can find acceleration figures online.
Project R you cannot compare figures with experience and thats what he wrote in his comment
@@projectr2451 yes, on paper there definitely is. The gear ratios are shorter and the engine has a little bit more torque and power...but when driving both and against each other, I couldn't feel nor see any difference.
Oliver K.
I guess it makes sense because you wouldn’t really go flat out on the road, and the traction systems are getting a lot better
Completely agree, the sound coming from an F12 from the drivers seat is one of the best I've experienced, ever. Better than lambos and more fun to drive, due to the concentration needed when driving it. Top car and a future classic imo
That yellow stripe won me over before you turned the key. Great insight into these two great V12 cars.
Thanks Martin.
Looks like he never moved it when they were painting a yellow line on his street.
812 is THE best, last of the last front V-12 natural aspirated classic Ferrari since 1947. The rear-wheel-steering is superior than the F12 coming out a corner. You have the money, buy the 812, with respect of time, it will appreciate its value. If not, F12 is the next thing you can buy.
Fantastic video! Even though the F12 is better looking, I'd buy the 812, the RWS will make the difference when using it every day. And I'd buy it black.
812 is a fantastic car
F12, arguably one of the most beautifull designs from pininfarina beats the 812 design hands down. Just look at the comments below! The 812 more modern and deserves respect, however is a very high MSRP car , which seems to be depreciating extremely fast, that is it! some buying opportunities soon out there!
I agree with you. The F12 has a timeless design.
I prefer the 812 to the f12, I was never in love with the f12s styling. My favourite is still the 599, they look so elegant and understated compared to modern Ferrari's.
Styling is always subjective. The F12 is a huge improvement over the 599 in terms of development.
888MF i kinda agree with Moss i think the styling of the 599 is better than the f12
The Ferrari f12 TDF is possibly one of the greatest Ferraris ever produced ..I'd say F50..Lafferari..488 pista..f12 TDF and 458 speciali are the greatest ever..the new f8 Tributo is pretty awesome aswell but I love the f12 TDF editions truly rare gems
I prefer the 599 personally especially th gto , dont mind the f12 , but flat out dislike the styling of the 812 I think its a.mess.
599 front end looks dated and too cute looking
F12 better looking car
No it’s ugly
That's what I was thinking
Killer spec on the 812 but out of the two I'd still choose the F12
The F12 looks so good
I agree with the title. F12 in either Berlinetta or tdf form is just timelessly beautiful. I’d like to own one for life
Been waiting for this one ....!! A great comparison and thoroughly enjoyable to watch. Great video as usual !
Thanks Neville
As a high school kid years ago …I fell inlove with the F12 berlinetta and became my dream car
Seeing the 812 as the future of f12..I just can’t ignore it
The videography is getting better and better. I really look forward to your videos. Thanks for all the hard work.
Thanks Neil
Hey Mark,
Another beautifully produced video. Love the drone footage and lovely stills at the start of the video.
I totally agree with you on Ferrari V12 aesthetics the older cars are more attractive. The F12 gets my vote in this comparison.
Interesting also about your comments on the Alfa 4C as this car was much maligned for its driving dynamics when new (beautiful looking car though).
Thanks Julian. If you buy an Alfa 4C and spend a little money on it, you have a fantastic sports car.
Nothing beats the 812. Period.
A McLaren 720s does.
How are u comparing a McLaren to a 812
@@AlexSanchez-gk2re Ik, the McLaren is better by far.
812 all the way.
@nachof how the 812 sounds better,looks better and is faster
Both stunning specs - props to the owner. Out of these two I'd have the F12 over the 812 but I'd choose the new GTS for that open top V12 experience over the F12, if I could.
812 GTS is perfect but very expensive and limited
F12. Last Pininfarina with the right dose of scaryness. These beauties will skyrocket in value.
I love this GTS ! The 812 is amazing!! Great content!! " both are eletronic limited in 211mp/h
Thanks for the feedback.
Great production.....pure theatre and a decent presentation too...love watching your channel when you're not drag racing....
Thanks for the positive feedback. So many people love the drag races so we will continue to upload them.
F12 looks classier and cleaner but the 812 has 800hp and it looks menacing
Tough choice but the F12 would be the one for me !
Very tough choice but also depends on your budget.
F12 all day.....i drove the 812 last year and I do find it to be amazing....812 just a better all round car that I could drive everyday....but the F12 is just so much sexier and sleek..
I agree!
Mad love for the F12💯
Best sounding supercar I've drove to date❤❤❤
What a fantastic production. I love these two cars.. but I have to ask you: In an era of roadcars with 1300+ hp and soon to be 2000hp EVs and hybrids are you really asking whether 800hp is too much? ;)
I use a Porsche 981 Spyder as a daily and I find that has too much power for the road!!!
I don't mean to troll, but who short-shifted the 812 during the sound comparison? 😂
Sounds like they left it in auto 😅
Yeah I was thinking ,ring it out man!
There's another possible issue with the sound. The cars do need to be driven a bit hard for about 2000-3000 km for the exhaust to burn in and open up. In the real world, the 812 SF is louder and more raw sounding. Pretty much same exhaust, but one has higher compression and moves more air than the other.
OMG, the intro is like out of a Bond film. Bravo on the editing.
Ferrari got the bodywork design wrong for the 812, the beautiful Roma is an admission of that. Mechanically though, it’s a absolute marvel.
F12 the last Ferrari designed by Pininfarina
Great video, do you need a car that accelerates 0-100mph in 5.8 seconds ? No...... but it’s the effortless power on tap that makes it so appealing, with loads of other things of course. 👍🏻
The 812 power is rather addictive, which is why I said it would make a better daily. Easier to get in and out of traffic. However the F12 is better value at £160k and probably a better long term keeper.
Another classy production Mark. The F12 seems like reasonable value for a long term investment. I recently let go of my 430 spider which I had for almost 10 years. Now only left with my 911 turbo S Cab. The best car that does it all imo! Stay safe 😷
Thanks MS. The F12 at £160k seems reasonable to me for a V12 Ferrari. Time will tell.
One of the main complain with the F12 was the excessively long gearing then fixed in the 812 with 10% shorter gearing.
Yes that's a good point but the engine really is wonderful in the F12 and it looks so beautiful
Mark. A great honest review as always. Thanks for posting.
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@@888mf4 Will do.
I'm not a Ferrari fan and would prefer a Lamborghini by a galactic margin, but if I had to pick one of these two, the F12 is a finely sculpted work of art and easily one of the most beautiful Ferraris ever created. With the 812 Superfast, it seems like they were just trying too hard to reproduce the beauty that the F12 has by design. The F12's front end, especially, is as pretty as it is purposeful and the headlights look better.
My friend owns these actual cars. It’s a hard choice hence he is keeping the F12. Very powerful yet not too loud, very smooth on the road not as expected. He has other super cars in his collection as well 911 turbo, McLaren 720s . The Ferrari’s are the best...the 911 is very very close behind these.
The 911 Turbo is a lot of people's favourite as a daily driver
@@888mf4 he says that as well. The 911 is a default jump in and drive car.. 4 wheel drive for all weathers as well.
Great video. I can feel your OCD through the screen. Very well put and organised. Keep the videos coming! Cheers
Thanks! Yes we did about 5 drafts until I was happy.
Drove an F12 on track. It was great.
Then a year later I drove an 812 and it was amazing. A bit stiff for the road, but with the bumpy road button it is fine. A better car in my humble opinion, but at this level of performance it does not matter and shape is down to personal taste. Enjoy both in good health.
Enjoyed the video Mark, thanks.
Thanks RR
599 is the best modern day v12 Ferrari...looks and sound...and most timeless looking in my opinion
Front end and body lines of the F12 with the rear end and performance of the 812. Perfect....car....period
Short shifted the 812 in the sound comparison and you red-lined the F12. The 812 definitely sounded better than the F12 at 8000rpm
Exactly, I knew I wasn’t the only one that noticed that
The F12 is more robust and aggressive looking.. afterall both are in the Ferrari stable and they’re really really marvellous.. thanks bro 🤓💪💪
Agreed. I like both for different reasons.
I plan to buy one. But I need trailer hook for my camping wagon:)
Sin lugar a dudas el F12 por todo en general…es de los Ferrari más bonitos jamás fabricados…una auténtica obra de arte.
F12 all day long
I love Pininfarina design so naturally I own Rosso Corsa 599 and Bianco Avus F12 and I am the happiest man.
Final Pininfarina designed Ferrari Love it in always.
I agree
30 to the otherside of 120mph in 4.6 seconds in 4th gear?I think you are confused with kmh lol
In gear acceleration is impressive either way: www.automobile-catalog.com/performance/2017/1613015/ferrari_f12_berlinetta.html
F12 with Novitec suspension and Fi exhaust is my dream of a V12 Fearrari.
Nice
Highly informative information here, well done, what i actually needed to know.................
The F12 is such a great looking and sounding car.
Good informative video. The flyby drone shots were great too.
Thanks Amber
I still need to drive the F12!! 💨
Such a great car. We will find one for you to drive soon.
I am down to 2 vehicles. A 1996 fully restored Toyota 4Runner and a 2015 F-12. At 63 I sure wish I owned an F-12 when I was younger and not nearly afraid of death. My daughter scares me to high heavens because being young she drives like ole dad used to. If I ever sell the Ferrari she said she would disown me. Don’t worry I won’t sell either vehicle. I don’t dare let her drive the F-12 without me due to me always saying Slow down! I don’t want to get the call “Daddy I have small problem with the car” yeah “It’s in the ditch”
How old is your daughter? The F12 is quite challenging to drive as I noted in my review. Make sure the tyres are warm though.
Great video pal and I concur too much power on the road is useless and distracts from joyful driving. Beautiful Video material and screenplay. Cheers from LA
F12 for me.Love them.
Great car in every way!
Really enjoyed thanks fella.
Thanks RM
Thanks for sharing take the F12 and put the rest towards a DD
You know how much I am looking forward to this
FWIW, I wouldn't want my expensive HP sports car to have an obnoxiously loud exhaust note. Its not a rat rod. Like wearing a Tom Ford tuxedo and sneakers. Tacky.
Each to their own
My take on it that yes it is worth the extra money. I bought mine new and love it
Great car. Enjoy it.
Great video and great comparison, even if i think that nowadays this Ferraris are too powerfull and too expensive to be enjoyed. I will come back for more
Thanks! I never said too powerful. I was asking the question about how much of that speed you can access on the road.
@@888mf4 yes i understood. But half a throtle on any of those Ferrari and you are im triple digits, and soon to find a ditch somewhere ahah
I'm a McLaren Fan but the F12 And the 812 superfast have won me over !!! And just like the 720s warm those tires before hand. I'm just shocked that the newer one isn't as loud exhaust wise as the others.
I would like the 812 better if it the front end was just a bit narrower and shorter. You don't notice it too much when by itself but next to other cars you can tell the front end is very wide from the front view and it is a bit too long compared to the back end from the side view. I like the look they are going with with a longer front end and a shorter back part but I just wish the difference was a tad less pronounced.
Brilliant as always Mark! 👍
Thanks RC
Couldn't decide, so I bought both. The 812 drives better.
F12 all day for me. Superfast is an amazing technical marvel but for me it's simply too akward looking to get past. F12 is still fast enough, more of an event and by far a more beautiful car.
F12 is definitely fast enough. Top speed of 211mph!!
Great Content, And yes both cars would be in my garage
Thanks
The front and rear of the 812 are superior. When I see the f12 I keep thinking of the gtc4 lasso
He can't sell the F12, because then Ferrari will not let him buy the next special model.
Not that that is a bad thing perse. Farrari has to make a decision based on something
I think thats out the window now with Ferrari, As there is a hand full of SF90 first time buyers in Australia snapping up the SF90.
F12 isn't special maybe if it was a TDF
@@ianfarr-wharton1000 There was a limited number of SF90's earmarked for first timers, so that's why.
As for the VS cars, there are still some that will demand VIP or top tier status. The 812 C is such a car.
Who was short shifting the 812
599 is the keeper. I bought a 2008 new, driving it for 30,000 miles, no a single thing wrong. Solid like a tank, no rattling at all. Styling is still striking, turns head everywhere I go. Then I bought the 812 for its rear-wheel-steering and max power. It’s a keeper too. I skipped F12. It is just a nice car, less potential for future historic value.
how do you figuere that, last Pinafarina design and last key new ones have bobs. I think the F12 will skyrocket in the future with collectors not the 812.
It's funny, I just saw another video before this one which said that after driving the 812 he understands why people were ditching the f12 for the superfast.
The 812 has much improved suspension set up and rear wheel steering from the TDF. So it is easier to drive and feels more composed. However, I’ve driven both for long periods of time and the F12 is a little more exciting as it is not as easy to drive. Both are great cars with a great V12 engine. Both need an aftermarket exhaust.
Ill take an f12 and a 1st gen superleggera pls
I’ve always said it, I would take a f12 over any other Ferrari (except Laferrari) it’s just mean looking red exterior black interior with red stitching black wheels
812 with an F12 Grill.....
would you be ready to give up an RS 4.0 for an f12 or a SF?
812 4 me
Man said f12 looks better 😂😂 plus they made the 812 look bad in this vid
How did we 'make' the 812 look bad? I never said it looked bad. I said the F12 looks more timeless and there was a caveat. I said that looks are subjective. Why don't you have a beer and chill.
888MF cause your buddy sucks at shifting like let it rip at 8k rpm not 3500🤦♂️
The sound of the f12 literally gave me goosebumps 😳🤤
Here's the thing. The 812 is marginally faster than the f12 (you can't notice it on the road) but is massively more expensive than the f12, and i think the 812 is over styled.
The 812 is a lot faster, but I don't think speed is important for a road car. The F12 is better value in the long term in my opinion.
Great vid. Thank you. Been considering an F12.
Nice video man, but how about the tdf have you ever tried one ?
Thanks. I have been a passenger in an F12 TDF but not driven one. Lovely car. The N-Largo seems to be a rather good upgrade to the stock F12
Nice watch 👍👍👍👍👍
Good review, but your comment on the lack of handling or traction due to rain in Miami could be due to the accumulation of oil on the road surface combined with a relative lack of precipitation. In other words, no rain for a long period in summer usually translates to a slippery surface when it does rain for a brief period of time. I live in Scotland.. and know all about rain.. and a little bit about the sun...
Next up for comparison F12tdf.
I would love to get my hands on an F12 TDF. One day.
You said that power wasn't the best thing in a car then end up by saying the 812 is a better car and included that one of the reasons is because its "faster" - makes no sense. Good vid though.
I said that the F12 has all the power you need. It is also more fun in some ways than the 812 Superfast. However, it is best suited as a weekend car as the 812 Superfast has superior steering and suspension. Everyone loves more power, and for everyday driving you can use the extra power for overtaking more safely!!!
888MF nobody daily drives these things, let’s be real.
at last..! thanks Mark. your Greek instagram friend here @gordon_greko. seriously good cinematography. well put video. logic and madness and you are a Great presenter! well done Sir!
Efharisto
888MF so talented..! :)
Love your videos mate! Great 👍
Thanks
Love your watch ⌚️What is the make?
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@@888mf4 thank you... that’s awesome 👏
I think I'd prefer the 812 if I could afford it but I probably can't certainly interested in a F12 next time though
shame no GTS version
UK like the F12 better and Australia likes the 812 better as there the big sellers in Australia.
Both great cars Ian
F12
Amazing content! keep it going! more videos like this please!
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great production.....your videos are on par with a cinema presentation...always enjoyable and great to watch...