Genesis vs. TurboGrafx-16! *33* Games Compared!
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2023
- Did you know there are this many games (and a few more) that appeared on the Sega Genesis and NEC TurboGrafx-16 / PC Engine? Wow! I think you will be surprised which game I preferred in some of these comparisons!
Games Covered: Air Buster, Aero Blasters, Afterburner II, Altered Beast, Best of the Best, Andre Panza Kickboxing, Bonanza Bros., Cadash, Castlevania Bloodlines, Castlevania Rondo of Blood, Chase HQ II, Chiki Chiki Boys, Double Dragon II: The Revenge, Dragon's Fury, Devil's Crush, Forgotten Worlds, Gain Ground, Golden Axe, Hellfire, Hit the Ice, Klax, Lords of Thunder, Mega Bomberman, Bomberman '94, Mega Turrican, Turrican, MUSHA, Seirei Senshi Spriggan, Ninja Warriors, Out Run, Prince of Persia, Raiden Trad, Raiden, Shadow of the Beast, Slime World, Space Harrier 2, Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition, Super Thunder Blade, Truxton, Valis III, Wonderboy III Monster Lair
-
I hope you enjoyed the video. Please check out the following links:
/ @gregsvlog
/ 1252321131587915
/ gregsgameroom
www.ataritimes.com
#videogames #retrogaming #retrogames #classicgaming #classicgames #classicvideogames #vintagegaming #vintagegames #arcadegames #atari #atari2600 #atari5200 #atari7800 #atarilynx #atarijaguar #nintendo #nintendones #nes #nintendosnes #supernintendo #nintendowii #sega #segagenesis #megadrive #segasaturn #segadreamcast #turbografx #pcengine #colecovision #intellivision #arcade1up #arcadegames #playstation #sony #xbox #microsoft - เกม
Thank you for taking the time to watch this! Check out my Instagram: instagram.com/gregsgameroom/
Every Konami NES Game: th-cam.com/video/AO1qrfzyDtI/w-d-xo.html
Turbo Everdrive Review: th-cam.com/video/-plT8mGJI1A/w-d-xo.html
Genesis vs. Super Nintendo: th-cam.com/video/DWgBTBW614w/w-d-xo.html
PC engine bomberman is legend. I just played the best out of all versions
No surprise Hudson Soft’s game would be awesome on Hudson Soft’s system. :-)
What a great time to be alive. So many awesome choices now.
Wow you really know your way into a retro gamer's heart, don't you! More fantastic content, THANK YOU Greg.
LoL, I just know what I'd want to see!
@@GregsGameRoom This kind of retro comparison thing, all kidding aside, is pure gold though and there's not that much of it that one might think. The only other YT vid I have ever seen that's even remotely similar was one comparing just shmups between these 2 consoles.
Comparing some PC Engine CD games to reg 16 bit Genesis games come on man lol, I don't think it's fair especially on sound. But I still enjoyed the video man keep up the great content.
I agree!!
some games he compared are from the PC engine Cd,
CD is much more modern than cartridge in all aspects,
and comparing the sound of a CD with a cartridge is quite unfair.
@andersonmarlen8801 it's pretty fair: the PCE was released about 2 years before the Genesis, and the PCE-CD add on went to market at the same time as the Genesis in Japan. So it's exactly the same age.
It's pretty remarkable how good the PCE was: it's only got an 8-bit cpu!
@@awatson3367 No, it's not. Price points.
Awsome video, i really enjoyed it.
While I will always choose the Genesis over the TG-16, NEC/Hudson's 16-bit machine is super sweet. Excellent video!
Altered Beast- The Genesis is missing the arm scaling effect when you take a zombie out. The parallax scrolling on the Genesis port is not in the arcade version at all (pretty neat!).
Forgotten Worlds- The TG-16 version of Forgotten World's is a CD ROM ROM title. Further, it lacks two player support like the Genesis. Finally, Forgotten Worlds on the TG-16 CD has a ton of flicker and slowdown mid game moving forward.
The Ninja Warriors- You can also play as the male robot ninja that wears all black. I love that game in the arcades and Sega CD.
Street Fighter II- We Sega fans got hosed big time. There is no viable reason for the game to sound as it did. The CPS-1 cab has so much in common with the Genesis hardware it's insane. The sound chip is almost identical. This is why an indy developer was able to fix both Street Fighter games on the Genesis giving it arcade perfect sound (no joke). They also fixed the in-game colors and it now looks as vibrant as the arcade version and with every background detail on bone stock hardware without slowdown or flicker. If you haven't checked it out you really should.
On a side note- Mortal Kombat was also given the fan fix and now the Genesis has an almost arcade perfect port of it as well! Did you know Mortal Kombat was supposed to be a TG-16 exclusive? Unfortunately, NEC/Hudson refused to pay royalties on an untested game especially against Street Fighter and whatever SNK was cooking up. Oops....
Question : which space harrier 2 genesis port are you playing? the original or the *fixed/enhanced* port from the genesis mini 2?
Loved new vs videos thx.
Great video! As a big fan of the Valis series I must input that she has a slide move to get under things and across gaps. This is how to get past the water tower.
Thanks for the info, I figured it was something easy. Dumb emulator!
I recently played through all the 16 bit Valis (genesis/MD and PCE/TG16 platforms). A little uneven in quality but always fun and really enjoyed it. Prior to this all I had played was renting Valis III on Genesis when it was a new game. I was pretty obsessed with anything that seemed remotely connected to anime back then.
Which is your favorite of the entire series on all systems? Have you played the Sharp X68 original Valis 2? That one's my favorite out of the entire series...the atmosphere is really good in that, but all Valis games have that awesome surreal atmosphere. Valis 4 on PC Engine is my favorite of the console games. BTW...if you like Valis that much like I do, you'd love knowing there's another game out there that plays and looks almost exactly like a Valis game..I might even like it MORE than Valis lol...it's called Devil Hunter Yohko on the Megadrive. It's a faster paced game, and feels like it should've been in the arcades. What did you think of the Valis 4 on SNES? It wasn't even a Telenet game...but it was surprisingly cool as heck too.
35:40 The PCE version also completely lacks "Turbo" speed fighting modes which were a selling point in "Hyper Fighting" and were in Genesis SCE as well as in Super Street Fighter II.
It boggles my mind how the og PCE fanatics prop up the PCE version of SF2 while neglecting the more original fighting games on the PCE CD.
Good point. I usually just play it normal so I always forget about turbo mode.
Not just the turbo speed, but also new moves (like Blanka's vertical ball), and many moves have new properties (Spinning Bird Kick is invincible on start-up, helping Chun-Li get out of corner traps). M. Bison is stupidly good in normal Champion Edition. In Hyper Fighting, he's okay.
It is impressive for a turbo 8 bit with 16 bit gpu. The voices surprisingly are even better than the SNES! Music is just what you expected a regular card game to sound like. They should have released a CD version! Overall the Genesis version is the best, specially with the hacks of graphics and sounds!
@RolandoMarreroPR how is the Genesis version the best? I mean, it plays the same as SNES but has less color and sound
@@madspunky Gameplay, for the average user is the same, but advanced users know the combo system on sega is the same as the arcade, can’t spam the throws like on the SNES. Sega 6 buttons controller is still the best for fighting games. Now the SNES 6 button controller is now the industry’s standard & the best all around controller. I grew up with both Genesis & SNES and find that I missed out on the TG16.
Great vid!
There's a few turds like PCECD Golden Axe but overall these are all great games and the slight differences kind of make them more interesting. Color palette is so good on almost every PCE game.
The Turbo needs multi-scroll backgrounds esp. on the CD games I mean you have 700 MEGS of memory and you cant manage multi scrolls?
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539The two things are not related at all.
@@Pai3000 Maybe not but its still sad to see tech upgrades that dont upgrade anything
Nice review, I enjoyed watching it.
You missed Fantasy Zone :)
I intentionally missed a lot of games. Too many for one video.
This was entertaining to watch
Great video.
Cool video! I grew up with both systems, and also didn't even know that Lords of Thunder was on the Sega CD. In truth, I prefer the Turbo CD version, maybe because this was the one I played to death, but I prefer the sound effects a lot more.
Plus the Turbo CD version was first-way before the Sega CD port. And that opening rock number was not duplicated properly on the Sega CD version and to this day, is one of the greatest title screen openings ever.
I think you missed some SNK games, i'm pretty sure both systems had Fatal Fury and World Heroes. Anyhow, i have been a LONG time fan of PC-Engine/Turbografx, and always felt the systems were under appreciated as you can see in the hands of the right developer, the Engine/Grafx could have been just as good if not better than the Genesis.
How were there so many Sega games on the Turbo16?
I think the controller for the PC Engine/TurboGrafix-16 was a decent contributing factor to how it didn't get much success in the west. People looked at its two button controller and instantly compared it to what Sega were offering with the Genesis. While it later had a six button controller it was already too late because then Sega did as well, and Nintendo set the standard most controllers follow today with the SNES.
The biggest issue is it just wasn't widely available outside Japan, at least in Europe. You had to import it and buy it mail order or in specialist shops. And the PAL TV compatibility was an issue too. An official PAL "TurboGrafx" planned for 1990 was cancelled due to the disappointing North American launch
There was a French TurboGrafx console released at some point in the 2000s though which were modified Japanese consoles. I don't know the exact date.
I had the Sega CD version of Prince of Persia... the controls were amazing and the background music was sublime..
POP is one of those weird games where virtually every port is different in its own way.
I think that you have to press the run button to rotate the other way in Forgotten Worlds on the PC Engine CD version.
Yes! The PCE ver originally came with a 3 button controller
Ironically, Panza is pretty much one of the best ST one on one fighters. But, on a computer we were expecting things like Panza. Generally after World Karate Championship and IK+, Panza is my favorite single button fighter.
Go figure. Different platforms, different expectations.
Awesome video as always, Greg!
At the time Japan had the best, by far, devs, and the UK, by far, the worst. So since the latter was such a giant gaming market and HUGE in the Commodore Amiga Devs pool, it's THE reason for such difference in expectation.
What about Atomic Robo Kid on Genesis vs. TB Grafx 16?
Great video. SNES VS TG16??
I love the soundtrack for Air Buster. It's so sweet! Same thing with After Burner
Watched till the end and didn't get a final score? I really appreciated that you didn't just automatically score one over the other if you had fun with both (or neither). Slime World on the Lynx FTW, haha!
I had the Genesis, SNES, and TG16. The SNES was by far the best system (and maybe the best system ever), but all of them were so much fun. With the Mini systems and Nintendo Switch you can play so many of these great games now.
thats definitely subjective. it completely depends on what type game you preferred...snes SUCKED when it came to sports...or atleast it sucked compared to the genesis as far as sports are concerned. the sega genesis was just better with games that seemed aimed at a more mature audience...cartoony, kid games and action/adventure games tended to be a bit better on snes. both systems had their pros and cons and beat out the other in certain categories. they were both steps ahead of the tg16...they should of brought out the tg16 a couple years earlier (whenever it was released overseas (pc engine))...gave it a heavier push and dang sure gave the controller more than 2 dang buttons...that killed it too. anyways...the oc engine (TG16) definitely had its chance and blew it with marketing,
@@daxherring630 You are absolutely correct and all of your points are spot on. I think my bias toward the SNES is retroactive, as those console wars played out I was solidly Team Genesis, due in large to the sports games. Why won't anyone make a modern day Mutant League Football???
That's your opinion The Genesis to me was better than SNES everyone has there preference
@@daxherring630I agree
@@jlinms8721 you mean like the mutant league football games on the switch, Xbox one or ps4???
You certainly picked the turbo a lot more than I would've, I'm guessing that's the one you grew up with? Anyways, thanks for the vid, very enjoyable 👍
I loved the 16-bit era of gaming. I have a JDM PC-Engine Duo and a handful of cartridge and CD games for it.
You're right. It is amazing.
The original Turrican appeared on Genesis as well, but versions of Turrican 1 on the consoles are bad.
Also there was an interesting version of Prince of Persia on Sega CD. It doesn’t look like the Genesis version, also has the same music from the Turbo version, and so bad it is hilarious voice acted cut scenes.
Cool, I’ll have to check those out.
did Turrican console versions look, move, play, sound, bad?
Art of Fighting: Genesis or PCE?
I never once saw a TG-16 growing up. I probably would not have remembered anything prior to 1991 or so but certainly by then, it either wasn't being carried anywhere or was tucked away behind glass display counters. I don't even recall seeing a single demo unit on a store floor (but plenty of Genesis and SNES systems everywhere).
you cold also do twin cobra pc engine and sega genesis. both are really good.
Why was parallax scrolling so uncommon on TG-16? Even the SMS and NES had games that used it.
Because the hardware didn't natively support multiple background layers. So, developers had to be skilled enough to add them, which some did but most just decided not to bother.
I owned both. I love both. Sure the TG 16 was a bit weaker but coming from the NES, both systems were a step up in graphics. Also, Ill take Bonk over Sonic any day. That super speed bouncing everywhere got annoying. (Except Sonic Spinball, the best console pinball game ever)
What about Sonic CD.? I owned 32x as well as TG16 and I loved them all..
that is the craziest take on sonic I’ve seen
Turbo still managed to look better visually though
@@No-OneSpecial000 never have been a Sonic fan.
@@pleasuretokill ok fair enough then
Would love to see a PC Engine vs SNES video.
I felt lucky to have both a TG-16 and Sega Genesis. The games between them were different enough to feel like I had one console with many games.
The Turbo seemed better at Bomberman with the brighter colors those types of games were the only thing the Turbo clearly excelled at
I can't get over the water tower in Valis 3 either ! I'm stuck and can't even get past level 1 , lol
Why did you cover the Turbo CD version of Prince of Persia, and compare it to the cartridge Genesis release? The game also got a Sega CD version, which shares a lot of similarities with the Turbo CD release.
This was a tough call, as I'm a huge fan of both consoles. I think where the TG16/PC Engine really shines the most comes from the Japanese library, and it's unfortunate the language barrier often gets in the way. With so many gems for either system, this one really was just a matter of preference. Good stuff Greg!
I’ve been meticulously going through every Japanese game on my Turbo Everdrive and keeping the ones in English. There’s A LOT!
There's also a Pc Engine Cd version of Raiden, called Super Raiden. It adds some extra stages and of course, improved music
TG16 was a 2D shooter power house!
Regarding Street Fighter 2 on the Genesis, I just have 2 additional points. One is that Sega did release a 6 button controller, and I _think_ it became the default pack-in controller eventually.
Also, ROM hacks have been released for SF2, to make the colours and sound much closer to the arcade version. I suspect that Capcom made those compromises to squuze the game on to a smaller memory cartridge. Similar hacks exist for the Mortal Kombat games.
Didn't splatterhouse come out on both?
Splatterhouse 1 on PC-E (1990 port of the 1988 Arcade game), Splatterhouse 2 (1992) and 3 (1993) on Megadrive.
Isn't that game on the back of the Sega Genesis box same with Strider and ghouls and goblins that's what made me want the Sega Genesis seeing all the games on the back of the box
There's people that even say the TG16 was half 8-bit and half 16-bit.
8 bit cpu, 16 bit graphics processors to be exact
Turbographic 16 has it but need to spend what 400 on the cd on top of the 300 system. Or was it
Blazing Lazers & Super Star Soldier Are My 2 Favorite SHMUPS Even To This Very Day Which Is Tuesday Sept. 19 2023 At 503pm
Hey, the Sega Genesis also has the original version of Turrican which should have been compared and there were more games missing from the list like Rastan Saga II, Wonderboy in Monster World/The Dynastic Hero and Ys III
Lack of parallel scrolling is a fatal failure, in my opinion.
I had the Turbo Graphix only had 3 games though there was really no where to buy games for it. I had Bonk, Bonks Revenge and Keith Courage.
Forgotten Worlds on genesis is so underrated. Im not big on shootem ups, but I can keep comin back to Forgotten Worlds
Great video overall, but there is no universe where both versions of Lords of Thunder are a tie. The Sega CD version is missing key graphical features, like the water draining, or hiding part of the screen while going under the waterfall. It's just a dirty port of a game clearly designed for the PCE. The challenge level is severely dumbed down. At least it takes an interesting second run at the soundtrack.
The Japanese version of Devils Crush is even better then the American version because it's unedited
I had Genesis and SNES. Both were great. Never had TG16 but it always interested me. I’d like to find some TG16 games available on Switch.
Great video !! You are a great reviewer !!!
I appreciate that!
There was also a version of Prince of Persia with its own set of differences
Vallis 3 on PCE: You slide under the water tower. Down and jump.
Ah, thanks!
There's no denying that TG/PCE CD music is unbelievably amazing, but it's funny that you kept referring to the awesome Genesis Yamaha FM sound as unpleasant.
I love it when Taito is overpronounced.... "Tae-Tow" with really hard T's
Mega turrican is 3rd in the series and the turbo / pc engine is the first game hence the differences. I would recommend the amiga versions for 1 & 2 and then mega genesis for the definitive 3.
Yes, KLAX is awesome!
Don't know how many have already pointed it out, but when it comes to Castlevania; Bloodlines and Rondo of Blood are completely different games even though they're part of the same series. Even the protagonist is different so how could they ever be the same game?!
Andre Panza Kickbixing isn’t bad. It’s innovative for all attacks dealing with direction. The same as Data East Karate Champ. TG16 was the OG and better.
What a missed opportunity with Turrican; we had Super and Mega but there could have been a Turbo.
I played forgotten worlds for genesis over and over and over
I was a little disappointed with it.
It was the game that convinced me to buy a Genesis in the first place! Those zenny coins... ooh! Aah! So pretty in 1991!
@@GregsGameRoom why did it disappoint you?
so good 🏆🙂🙏🏼
Thank you
Genesis is fantastic but the Turbografx-16 deserves more love!
I thought of another one - Dungeon Explorer. Oh and Exodus, I think that’s right.
MUSHA is better in Japanese (Aleate - Full Metal Fighter Elinor). I played it last night. There’s a new stage and the game doesn’t slow down at the gunship. The difficulty curves are better I think. You can’t read him saying “Shut Up Greg!” Unfortunately though.
I would have compared Spriggan with Robo Aleste on the Mega CD as they are both medieval themed.
If you want good capture quality from the turbo get a terraonion super hd system 3 pro unit, it has native HDMI out without an upscaler needed. Does PC-CD images as well
Does it fit with the TG-16? I heard it could damage the system because it's so snug.
You could have done a comparison on Space Harrier w/ the Genesis Mini version and TG-16 and not used Space Harrier 2.
The Beast Games Turbografx16 - is Blazing Lazers and Splatterhouse!!! It's fantastic games!!! Yan
Good video. Fwiw I think the SMS version of wonder boy is better than the Genesis version, it's still odd that it's a shooter though.
I always wondered why in Mega Twins they borrowed the most annoying thing from Wonderboy in Monster Land, the low life alarming sound. :P
Quick way to get a lower grade, that's for sure.
23:49 The original Turrican is also avalaible for the Genesis.
TurboGRAFX has only 8 bit CPU.
Hudson makes prototype.
It has been tuned up.
So it play many games well.
R type is very well.
Thank you. There are far too many people saying the TurboGrafx (and PCE) is a 16-bit system. Only the Graphics Unit is 16-bit.
9:05 _"This one is widely regarded as the best Castlevania game ever made"_
Not really. While it's true that _some_ people say that, I'm fairly certain the overwhelming majority of Castlevania fans would cite SOTN as the best, and do so without hesitation.
Rondo is easily a top 5 Castlevania title, but part of it's mystique also comes from its former status as a coveted import-only game for a system almost nobody outside of Japan owned.
Well, let's clarify that Rondo of Blood is often considered the best LEGACY Castlevania game (just get to the end of the stage) where SOTN is more of the newer Metroidvania style.
@@GregsGameRoom Fair enough.
Bloodlines was the best for the time. Better than Rondo and IV. It just is.
@@gunsrtheanswer Genesis fanboy has entered the chat. lol
Every video ive watched today whether it had 2,000 views or 2 million views has exactly 31 likes lol anyways I enjoy this series, ive watched about half of them, really interesting idea. Thanks
I like pretty colours too
Chiki Chiki Boys is 2 player co-op on the PC Engine which is an important omission
Does two-player omit the annoying low energy alarm sound?
LOL! I have that awful Andre Ponza Kickboxing game--I bought it on eBay years ago for the sole reason of getting the OEM card sleeve! I think I paid $4 or $7 for it or something. :)
I remember getting a Turbografx 16 for Christmas in 1989 and then returning it and getting a Sega Genesis a few months later for my birthday.
TG16 doesn't look right without that back cover on.
Sega Genesis/Mega-Drive didn't get a better Double Dragon ll port (version) on a 5 Mbit (megabit) cartridge it would need bigger (larger) 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 Mbit (megabit) cartridge
Turrican is based on the C64, which was the original (rather than ST or Amiga)
Lord of thunder on sega was easier. Hit damage on sega was more forgiving. Turboduo version you took more damage and was less forgiving making it harder.
Some of these comparisons weren't entirely fair (Turrican 3 versus a bad port of the original Turrican? The bad first Turrican was on Genesis too, you know!) and you missed Dynastic Hero vs. Wonder Boy in Monster World, but still, this was an interesting video.
An oversight. I didn’t call it for one Turrican or the other because they’re different.
He also missed Zero Wing, Cosmic Fantasy 2 & 3 (vs. Stories on SCD), Exile., Langrisser, Black Hole Assault, Shin Megami Tensei, Darius (Genesis mini), Mad Stalker (though the MD version is aftermarket so ymmv on if that counts)...
And if he was gonna compare games that are not 1:1, he also missed Splatterhouse 1 vs. Splatterhouse 2, the Urusei Yatsura and Ranma 1/2 digital comics, Popful Mail, RoTTK3 vs. Rising Sun or some other strategy game like that...
Yeah, there are enough for a whole nother video of comparable length.
@@cabbusses I thought of another one. Twin Hawk.
If you want to play the original turrican your best bet is probably the amiga version.
@@Scopie33 or Atari ST version
I was patiently waiting for Zero Wing, watching many games I don't care about, but it never arrived. I'm sad. I love Zero Wing.
Sorry! I’ll do it next time.
@@GregsGameRoom No problem. I was just surprised it wasn't there. It's probably one of the most famous games on the Megadrive, mostly because of the meme I suppose.
the turbografx 16 (pc engine) seemed like about a halfway point in technology/graphics between the nes/master system era and the snes, genesis (mega drive) era...not quiet on par with the true 16 bit systems but definitely a step above the 8 bit era...well, master system wasnt too far behind...
You forgot fantansy zone wich also appeared on both the genesis and pc engine,altrough it was called super fantansy zone,am surprised it wasn’t even put as a hornable mention either,
But am actually surprised that many sega games did appear on the pce,consider the pce as the sega genesis of 1987.
I didn't forget. I'm kinda sick of that game...
@@GregsGameRoom haha🤣
Comparing the Pc Engine CD versions to the Genesis is bad form!
There is a version of the original Turrican on the Genesis which would have made a more fair comparison.
But I didn't choose one over the other.
While I much prefer the Famicom design, I understand why the NES was designed the way it was, but after the NES home consoles were accepted again and really don’t think it was necessary for the
Japanese consoles to be redesigned for the American market after the NES. The PC Engine and Super Famicom had much better designs.
Hello. Many games on the Turbografx 16 console beat the Sega Genesis. The Sega Genesis console has the following disadvantages: Music, Poor elaboration of objects (as if "Blurred", Blurred), no clarity. There are no three-dimensional effects. But SEGA GENESIS also has successful games that have a bright and clear picture: Cool Spot, Ristar, Beyond Oasis, Eco Dolphin... Yan
problem some 16 bit games they were ports from the 8 bit games
Down and Run to slide under water towers in Valis III
WOWWW that Golden Axe PCE Version. I never realized how HORRIBLE it is. That should of never even been released lol
why not factor in the 32X as well
Enjoyable video; there are some key differences between Lords of Thunder on the two consoles though. One is that while the music is amazing either way and generally the same compositions, the Sega CD is modestly re-arranged in some parts and the guitar solos are different between the two versions. The Sega CD version is more washed out looking with the Turbo CD being more vivid. Sega CD version is noticeably easier on default setting but I don't mind that as if I feel like a more casual play-through I'll go for that one. I do have a slight lean towards the Turbo CD musical variations but as you alluded to the mix is quieter and in addition the sound effect when collecting currency is very loud, drowning it out even more; this was wisely changed for the Sega CD version. Other sound effects though like the some of the enemies and bosses are superior on the Turbo version. You can't go wrong either way and both are worth playing though more than once, or several times.
Also I'm wondering why you pitted Mega Turrican vs. the PC Engine original Turrican when the Genesis also had a port of the original game in this series, which would be the apt comparison.