If violent unruly students can't be disciplined, teachers should all quit and let their parents be their teachers. Let's see how they do it. Let them taste their own medicine.
Might not work, a lot of parents don't even have some time to be there for their own kids because they're out there working on their job, most of them at least... But yeah, something has to be done about this problem...
@@daizee106 In the Marine Corp I heard they do this with their people. Have squads for tough ones,fat ones, skinny whatever . Not sure if that's true. Just heard it. One trouble maker in a classroom can ruin it for the rest. Get him/her out and see how good it gets.
These stories are true. When you go to your administration for support, you are told that the problem is you and that you have no "classroom management." There is a reason teachers are leaving the profession in droves.
This statement is true and it is the elephant in the room that experts deny. It is not about more money, more support etc., this statement gets right to the truth.
@darladeibler8413 A student that I used to deal with would hit other kids verbally. I would have to write incident reports every day. Also, the child would kick me, hit me, and slap me in the face. When I would go to my supervisor for support, I was told that the problem is me and that I didn’t have any classroom management skills. When my supervisor said that to me, I gave my supervisor a written notice. And I never went back.
One of the major problems I saw when I worked in public schools is that there are 0 consequences for students when they misbehave. And kids know this. They openly exclaimed many times "it doesn't matter because you can't do anything." And they are right. When they are small, this is just an annoyance. But as they grow the amount of damage they can and often DO to each other and to the teachers increases. I saw a child as young as 3rd grade break a teacher's wrist and be back in her class a few days later. They gave her workman's comp and told her to shut up about it. But the violent behavior never stopped and it wasn't only from that one student. It was rampant throughout the entire school. To the point where we needed to monitor the bathrooms because we'd even gotten some reports of sexual assaults from the older kids (5th & 6th grade). You have to teach children what is not okay behavior and despite what we're told, it's impossible to do that without having any real consequences for bad behavior when they are younger. Just talking is not effective. Kids will try and see if any negative consequence comes from bad behavior and when they don't see anything happening, they conclude that adults are full of it and they can do whatever they want.
There is no consequences and the kids know it. It gives them license to do whatever they wish. They are not getting an education or preparation for the future. It is scary.
@@charleswest6372 How is a teacher able to sue if the district has bought out all the lawyers? Whenever you call a law firm they will tell you upfront they cannot represent you because they represent the School district. What are your suggestions?😢
This was never tolerated when I was going to grade school. Kids who were disruptive were moved to a seperate school that was dedicated to "special" needs so they didn't ruin others kids' learning.
That was called expulsion. Schools where I am don't "expel" anyone these days because of "No child left behind". Best the can do is suspend kids which for them is a vacation, not a punishment But I agree with your statement, this is what needs to be done. Students with behavioral issues need to out of the public sector and only be allowed to go to schools that cater to difficult kids because it shouldn't be tolerated. Bullying students and teachers has gone entirely too far and unfortunately, I agree much of it is the fault of entitle parents thinking thier child can do no wrong, and the school district binding the hands of the teachers and leaving them in an abusive and dangerous situation.
My teachers would have knocked me out first, then my folks would have beat my ass until i could not sit on it when i got home. And if i tried to tell on my teacher for knocking me out, my parent would have said i deserved it and i should act like a human being and it would not have happened
@@daizee106 this is a nuanced topic, kids get little control over their lives and they try to fight that, I'm not excusing their behavior but we have to try and understand why they act the way they do.
Us older, retired teachers have been saying for years that this was going to happen. They have eroded our authority and eliminated the consequences for bad student behaviour. On top of that, the idea of "Passing" a grade is nothing but a ridiculous joke. In order to elevate the number of graduates we have lowered our standards to the point nobody fails!
Did older retired teachers do anything to stop the teachers associations that created this mess? It seems the opposite. I’m not a teacher, so I’m not exposed to all of this, but when I was a kid, one of my neighbors was very involved in the local association and politics. She was a well to do woman who never married, and seemed very intelligent and well meaning. I wonder what she would think of all of this. Seems to me school choice is the most obvious solution.
If you “old, retired” teachers saw this coming and knew it was going to happen, why didn’t the the old guard (your generation of folks) do anything, or put any measures in place to stop it from getting worse while you still had the chance? Don’t be one of the people that proudly proclaim they had the foresight to know how bad things would get while simultaneously showing that you had no intentions of trying to make things better. If you saw they were slowly chipping away at your authority, why didn’t you all band together and talk whichever admins you needed to to demand a change, and make it clear that things were going to keep getting worse? Being apathetic to a situation like this helps no one, and becomes even more gross when you become a “told ya so” type of person.
@@dogshake And just what were they supposed to do? Putting measures in place is the responsibility of those at the top. Many teachers hands are simply tied.
This is a parent problem. The kids act this way because parents are failing their children. Period. Taught in an urban setting , Boston , for 20 years. So glad to be outta there.
@@ArchnaKapur at least we gave it a shot, and did our best. It’s a thankless, masochistic occupation. Barely got outta there with my sanity. The parents and admin were the worst. The kids were the best part.
Amen. Why do people have children if they are not willing to raise them? Nobody is holding a gun to your head to produce them. It’s not the school’s job to raise them. It’s the school’s job to educate them. Do these loser parents ever think of that? And do parents ever think to tell their children they should be thankful to have teachers? Do they ever tell their children they should be thankful for all the people who don’t have children but still pay taxes so we can have schools and teachers? The thought of telling their kids that never entered their lazy, privileged minds.
I'm sorry you went through all that. I was quite troubled kid and while I never assaulted anyone I'm sure some of my teachers were frustrated because some said they knew I had the potential but never did the work, and knowing someone believed me helped me (not immediately). On behalf of those kids that will grow up believe me, you have touched their lives in one way or another. I'm sure you brought positive energy and don't think it was all in vain. Best wishes.
I have a master's in social work and I am too afraid to get a job in these schools. There is nothing you can safely, or legally, do to defend yourself against armed children.
@jb_19 I had an intern student that is majoring in social work. And she came into my class to work with the student with behavioral barriers. And the student would kick and hit the intern student. I told her don’t do your internship at a school. You better off doing it in a hospital or a clinic.
I quit teaching to become a barber because in Ohio shopkeepers have always been permitted to carry guns at work plus to and from home and to and from the bank. Plus there’s no paperwork other than biannual inspections by the barber board and you’re allowed to refuse service to unreasonable people or kids who refuse to behave. I would also refuse to serve kids if the mothers wanted to leave them there while they shopped.
....Cozy both went to Baltimore public schools and went into Afghanistan with US Army as light infantryman, three ttimes. By far Afghanistan was easier and less stressful and the cities and towns are safer.
Bring back suspension and expulsion. "Oh, we don't want to do that." What? Parents will start disciplining their kids when they see that schools are kicking their kids out? I used to be terrified of being expelled and ending up in the public school down the block because everyone knew you would get jumped by all the other kids. But now, there's no care.
They suspended a girl at the middle school I worked at she then proceeded to bring her mom and have her tell admin how she wasn't suspended. They agreed she wasn't all because she cussed them and her mom out threatening to beat them up.
Suspensions are useless. Kids love being home. Parents complain and then get what they want. Expulsions are harder to do for many reasons: parents fighting it, admin afraid to look bad, budget, etc.
This is absolutely a parent problem. When a student beats a teacher (and it happens more often than you think) Then gets assaulted by the parent of that thug because their 'precious baby' was expelled or suspended. And the teacher is the problem???
The children witnessing this are being traumatized. The teachers are experiencing trauma. It's a shame. Teachers and students should have the right not to be abused and to feel safe at work/school.
In my school district a student is immediately expelled for one year for any violence towards a staff member and any violence which causes injury towards another student in addition to criminial charges. Parents are fighting it, but the community, the teachers and the administration remain steadfast. It's called the Zero Violence Policy backed by the State which requires every school campus to be a place of safe learning.
@@jillsalkin7389 why thank yew, i'll tell em you said so. Schools a place of safe learning is unheard of? What 3rd world town are you from? Oh, you were being sarcastic. ha.
I was assaulted by a 7th grader at Crossler middle school as a sub. I miscarried that night. I decided I wasn’t safe as a sub in middle schools and switched to only high school. The young kids are feral. It’s scary.
Students who step out of line need to be permanently removed with RUTHLESS consistency, so that those who stay can learn in a healthy environment. What kind of a society are we building if we allow children to be violent, abusive and destructive with no consequences? How much is the prison population going to expand with people who were never taught the difference between right and wrong, and consequences for bad actions?
To me there is a direct correlation on bad behavior that is allowed in our schools now and the bad behavior we are seeing and hearing about on a daily basis in our society. It all starts with students being allowed to get away with anything now in our schools, and then the students just translate it into their future in our society. I blame all of this on our politicians, lawyers, school administration and parents. THEY are the problems. Teachers have been castrated - all powers have been striped of them. Until that changes, it is only going to get worse.
@@pistoffpussycat5778 I am sticking to the topic. If Trump can lead an insurrection to overthrow a freely elected government without consequence, why would anyone expect students to not think they had the same entitlement, to break the law without consequence? Or is Trump a special type of snowflake?
@@harrycooper5231 There was no insurrection. The Biden administration is a sham. You need to wake tf up. You deserve everything that's coming your way for voting these devil's into office. I hope your luggage gets stolen by a tranny.
I quit teaching in 2019. Definitely it is one of the best decisions I have ever made. The pandemic hit less than 6 months after I left and teachers now are even more miserable than before. Now I work in a lab and love it!
Gotta start sending the bully students to jail. HAVE TO. they gotta start getting punished for misbehaving. Parents are tired of sending their kids to school where is supposed to be safe and a place of learning and then coming home to see their kid was bullied. If I was the president I’d say this. Students as well as anyone who misbehaves especially bullies will be sent to jail to learn there lesson.
That is because nobody is teaching them to be respectful and have manners from a very young age. Which is the job of the parents. But so many 'parents' don't care anymore and are lazy or too busy on their phones all day. Or are anti-social thugs.
Private school students expect to be treated like utter royalty. And their parents express similar sentiments. So they buy their children off and the private school admin. grovel at their feet 24/7. And since admin. fear lo$ing familie$/enrollment more than anything, all it takes is for ONE SINGLE STUDENT OR PARENT to be dissatisfied and that "dissatisfying" teacher gets the axe on the spot without any reason or rhyme. Whenever a teacher complains about an abusive student or parent, the teacher is expected to fix the problem themselves or get out (by choice or force in terms of the latter decision).
I went to a very violent high school, 6 years after I left they had to close the school because they could not find any teachers willing to work in the environment. ( when I was there a 62 year old biology teacher was stabbed in the gut and a gang beat up a physical education teacher, broke his arm and 3 ribs)
my friend teaches in a high school, he said all the kids who were in lower level classes all became far worse after covid, and he said the rest of the kids even are scared of them now. He says all the time how you literally can't do anything about any students, you have to try and 'work around' the bad ones because the teachers take all the blame for everything. He says the kids started doing 'tik tok challenges' and vandalize the school, do whatever they want and most teachers have zero control over them. Any bad kids have to be catered to and everyone including any students who are well behaved have to suffer for it. It's all because the admin in schools have zero backbone, and won't do anything about any bad kids.
not really. they missed social development from not being in school. Parents are to blame also, but the schools not having any backbone is the biggest issue@@jacquelynn2051
Remove all the violent kids from the district with permanent suspension. I am not being naiive here. They are dangerous and violent and must be removed from any school district where this is happening.
@Midnight Lightning Radio No way. I'm a teacher, and that's not segregation. I remember Clinton said, when he was president, that such kids should be removed from the classroom, immediatey.
Violent kids belong in juvenile prison to remain there until they turn eighteen. Then fine, let them go and give them a second chance, but the only high school diploma they should be eligible for is the GED. I taught GED at Job Corps. Getting expelled from high school is not the end of the world. But if the violent kids are not jailed it will definitely be the end of half the teachers teaching anymore. I quit teaching to work as a deckhand in the merchant marine taking bombs, APCs and MLRS rocket launchers to the Middle East during Gulf War I, it was a fucking pleasure cruise compared to teaching in the ghetto.
Parents are in such denial. They don’t care. They think what their kids do is cute. It’s sickening. Where the hell do they think these kids are going to end up after they leave school?
When I was in school there were some monsters in our class and the school would try so hard but their parents would come up to the school and the monsters would brag about how their parents always get them outta trouble and gloat about how they were untouchable. And now those monsters are parents themselves and I can NOT imagine how bad their offspring are in the same school environment. I had to learn to be quiet and quick to anger to defend myself everyday, idk how I passed with as good of grades as I did. I feel for the kids just trying to learn.
I teach at a small elementry school in a (socially) poor neighbourhood. Last year there was a lot of violence from kids, verbally and fysically. It's a slippery sloop. You don't see at first that it's getting worst, you gradually accept more each time, like that's how it is. Teacher turnover was 50%. Parents complained over their good kids being afraid to go to school. We didn't want to spent all our time and attention on bad kids, having the good kids missing out on what they need. We wanted the school to be a save and happy place for everybody. So the entire school set up a protocol of what we accept or not. Crossing the line meant sent to the principal and parents asked to come to school for a meeting. 3 visits to the principal meant suspension for a couple of days or a week. If behaviour didn't aprove the kid would have to seek another school. So far 5 kids left the school and at least 10 suspensions which sent a clear message to other kids and parents. The mood improved 80%. Rules are strictly followed and teachers are backed by management.
@@theirmom4723 I don't teach in English and I don't teach English. It's my second language and I'm aware I'm not fluent in it. Luckily I am fluent and flawless in my own language.
@@europeangardenflower9812 I am English and I would not have guessed that you weren't from your writing. Ignore that moron...your English is great. How many languages does that guy speak?
It’s not just violent kids. It’s admin. I question what is the purpose of admin being at the schools. It certainly is not to help kids learn and get an education. They help kids pass by doing one assignment or none for the whole school year, only need to show up and pass their classes. Then principals comment teachers lost touch with teaching and kids because they don’t pass. If admin not there at the school to help kids learn and get an education, what are they doing at the schools and getting paid so much….
@@jjc6530 ...No...The parents are the problem. They are the true root of the problem. The only other problem is the violent child itself. The actions of school administration are a result of the problem. When irresponsible and disinterested parents do nothing to educate or control their children the school systems are forced to react. The system does not fail kids and never has. Parents fail kids and then blame everyone else. Typical lack of accountability among parental failures who don't value education in the first place.
Their purpose is to collect a big fat pay check and keep the status quo and do as little work as possible. I think teachers should adopt this way of doing things as well bc there’s absolutely no reward for going above and beyond as a teacher. Teachers usually learn this very late in their career for the few that make it that far. 🙄😂😡
Security presence increased walking the halls? Why not hire teacher assistants so there are two teachers in every class? You need two adults in every class over 17 - 20 students… safety, assist with academics and to allow for administrative duties to be done ON THE JOB during contract hours.
BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE A TEACHER OR IA ANYMORE!! What do you think they can do? Hire homeless people off the street? There's already a huge teacher shortage.
A break down of family units….single parent homes….addiction and the struggle to survive forcing parents to have multiple jobs and our culture of acting out to get attention is why…a big part of why this is happening….we need to adopt policy where chronic behavior problems are forced into alternative schools and then juvenile programs
This problem seems to exist all over the U.S. and many other western countries. I wanted so hard to be a teacher, knowing that it would be hard work and challenging. I never expected to hear and see the things that I have over the course of the past decade. Violence, swearing, a complete lack of empathy for human suffering and life, not to mention zero interest in cultivating academic success. And some of the most disgusting sexual comments that children should never even know about, let alone say to an adult. This is beyond strategies and political affiliations. This is a sickness of the soul. I am absolutely defeated and heartbroken more and more each day. Right now I suffer through not for the kids but for my family, because of benefits and pay. But no paycheck is worth this shit.
my wife has been a teacher for nearly 30 years (yes, with MS Degree). She says the problem is that the SCHOOL BOARDS AND ADMINISTRATORS refuse to have and enforce reasonable discipline policies. The solution is to elect school boards that set discipline as a top priority and monitor them and insist that they hire school administrators who understand that. IF you want to make things better for everyone, run for election to your school board. Get like minded people to run also. You CAN get elected and fix this mess. You can then see to it that policies that end the chaos are implemented and that school administrators DO THEIR JOBS. Then the teachers would be supported and backed up when they discipline disruptive students. Parents would again support and backup the teachers. Then the chaos would END. Schools would again be SANE asylums, as they were when I grew up. NEVER chaotic. No attacks on other students (ok, sure, there was the rare fight, but only between 2 students and not knock down drag outs), but NEVER an attack on a teacher. Ancient history, I guess. I graduated HS in 1964.
@@Donley76 like I said, its time for folks to run for school boards and correct this. I am too old and running out of steam, but there are plenty of people who could, and SHOULD, do this.
How about the parents of these disrespectful students be put in the classroom to be teachers since they are the ones responsible for their childrens behavior.
It's like this in every school. It's awful! No matter which district you choose in any state students have zero consequences. Districts are at fault. Leave this career, so toxic!
The problem here is that too many people are having kids who have no business having kids. If you do not want to take on the responsibility of raising your kids right, then simply DO NOT HAVE ANY KIDS!! You do not HAVE to have kids to live.
Until the schools are allowed to suspend or expell the unruly/incorrigible/delinquent students, without being accountable for their schooling, this situation will continue deteriorate.
The single most ridiculous thing about the rotten Cleveland high school I taught at was that gang members from the surrounding community would enter the building to beat up students then would assault any teacher who attempted to drag them off of the much younger and smaller kids they were assaulting, but most ridiculous, these same gang bangers would continue to enjoy access to the building so in retrospect one has to marvel that the teachers weren’t all carrying concealed weapons. This was back in the mid 1980s at South High School, Cleveland, probably the worst high school in the entire state of Ohio, which was closed to be converted into a storage facility for the board of education. I finally quit during my second year when I got tired of my clueless department chairman and of breaking up fights all the time. Cops who handcuffed students who’d assaulted teachers would be driven home and released by the police. It was totally ridiculous. That school district has declined in enrollment from 75,000 to perhaps half that number today.
I always like when these administrators come and observe. It's called the observer effect. Kids aren't going to behave the same if the administrator who has the authority to suspend is watching, and students know that these unarmed "security specialists " are minimum wage workers that are told that they cant touch students.
In the 1960's , public schools in New Jersey were bad. I got punched, slapped, kicked, spit on, stabbed by pencils. Kids were so bad. They would not listen to the teachers, classroom fights. One of my teachers got up and left the math class because the kids were throwing things and talking loud and cursing. The princpal cane in and said "Monday morning you'll be getting a new teacher". The new teachers name was Mr. Rucker. Well, can you imagine what they were calling him to his face?! Kids weren't good back then either!
Not just special education……please, students threaten you with everything. They tell you “I’ll get your fired! I’ll lie and tell them you touched me!” “I don’t have to do ANYTHING I don’t want to!” And their parents back that up. And if you write them up…….the principal deletes the write up before district sees it! When I found this out, I just started calling home, to no avail, sent emails, to no avail…….done! Over it! I paid $$$$ to get out of my contract. I have PTSD from TEACHING elementary school! The teachers are threatened by Admin and students, with ZERO support. I quit. The end.
No amount of money, counselors, or security fixes this. Our culture is rotted. Society needs fundamental change. Individuals need to address the spiritual needs that are the root of the behavior. We need to ask ourselves what kind of people we want to be and how to get there.
Social media controls these kids now, and that is where they get their values from narcissistic behavior, self entitled brats who are catered to by admin
Administration does little but blame everything on the teacher! Always their fault!! Children are out of control and we will see what kind of adults we will have in the future!
If my 11 year old child ever acted this way, her ass would be blistered! I think that’s part of the issue- if kids don’t care what their parents do, why would they care about teachers? They don’t. Come on guys, it’s time to stop the coddling. Seriously.
GET RID OF THE BAD KIDS!!! PERIOD! If you curse, put your hands on anybody (student or teacher), you're expelled for GOOD!! When i was in school it was always the same people causing trouble, bullying, fighting. They should have gotten rid of those kids because when they didn't it interfered with everybody else who was just there to learn.
Kids are beating the crap out of a peer and I’m supposed to believe he is misbehaving? Wow! It used to be that kids who did stupid stuff like sticking gum in a girl’s hair or putting Mentos in a bottle of Coke and spewing the sticky stuff everywhere were misbehaving. Now we have dumbed down the word so we can include kids beating the 💩out of each other are misbehaving. I’d hate to see what they do with “murder” some day.
I AM THE SON OF A TEACHER. Mom came home most of the days overwhelmed with work and sad or depressed when she was insulted by a student. She prepared in home her plans for teaching, she can't spend time with her own kids, working on lessons that students won't appreciate. I am so sad watching her driving to a place where she will be disrespected, and called the "B" word just for asking students to pay attention. The schools want my mom to be God and control what the whole government can't. My mom is a person with feelings, emotions, and family, she deserves to be happy and respected like everybody else! if a secretary in a company is called by her boss B or F or the N-word because he is rude, are you going to educate the secretary to learn relational skills to make him happy and blame her for causing that? does she have to go to level 5 to keep her job or lose it? so you will train her to accept her domination and misery??
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Take away those phones. lock them in carry case during school.
Not everyone needs to go to school. An education is a privilege and not a right. It is fine if a few bad apples lose this opportunity so everyone else can be in a safe and constructive learning environment.
@@jhanturandall2519 a right in what sense? Voting is a right, yet people lose that right if they commit a felony. It should definitely be possible to lose your ability to gain an education if one engages in violence
If the behavior sh*t in this video was done public it is considered criminal behavior, why isn't it assault and vandalism IN schools?! I scrimped to send my children to private schools (1990s nurse pay, and overtime hours, as their father is disabled), after my own mediocre-scholastic-and-sometimes -frightening-exposure-to-some-scary-classmates in public school experience in the 1970s. Yes, my children's private schools had behavior issues, but these students were expelled! The schools did not care if the parents were big donors or not. It was adios to the behavior problem students (the schools had an entrance exam, interview and wait list, so empty spots were easily filled).
Many parents let their own children rule the roost at home because it's "easier that way" and the children are "happy"; so therefore, the parents' lives aren't as stressful. It's idiotic, and a complete choice of sorts on the so-called "adult" parents' parts.
What these kids need is old fashioned DISCIPLINE! They must be taught BY THEIR PARENTS to do what they are told, to respect others and not to act like spoiled brats. Discipline does not mean you have to beat them. It does sometimes require a firm spanking, and sometimes repeated firm spankings. This should be starting at a very young age around 2 years. If you fail to instill a fear of reprisal within them at this young age, you will forever have a spoiled, self entitled little brat that NOBODY wants to be around, much less teach. The lack of learned discipline is what is hurting society and those who are tasked in educating them. Do not blame the teachers for parents failure to fulfill their inherent responsibilities.
I couldn't believe the pictures that I seen of the classrooms trashed. NEVER had anyone do that when I was in school from 1980-1993. A lot of these bad kids is the result of the parents who can't control them. I think that every school district should have a separate "alternative school" for all special education students and those students with disabilities. Any student who misbehaves such as those described in this video should be sent there and kept out of the general school. Also corporal punishment should be in every school and that means the paddle or the belt. Lengthy after school detention {1-2 hours) as well as "Saturday School" punishment should be used. Out of school suspension only for very serious offenses. In school suspension should be used more too.
It's not all special education students. A person can qualify for Sped because they are behind academically. Most of the kids in my school who act up like this are not qualified as Sped kids. Either their parents are in denial and refuse to get them tested or receiving therapy/meds, or they are high functioning but have a behavioral diagnosis like ODD (which doesn't mean they are Sped). Please don't group all Sped kids together like this. Many of them just want to be accepted by their peers and don't deserve to be shoved aside.
@@noonehasthisname385 I totally understand what you're saying. I'm only talking about the kids with behavioral problems. Kids who are falling behind academically should not be considered as special education. I totally understand what you're saying as well about some students who want to be accepted with the general school population. Those are the ones that want to overcome their problems and are wanting help and thankful for it.
Seems to me the reduction in suspensions is due to consequences being lessened, which is why the teachers signed a letter asking for consequences. Cooking the books doesn't make the problems go away, it makes them persist.
I was a candidate for employment with the Salem-Keizer School District and I was turned down for a job there. I was disappointed at that time, but looking back at it now, I am so glad I was not hired to work for Salem-Keizer SD.
I live in Texas, and their are 0 consequences for students when they misbehave. People do not want to do the school to pipeline to prison. I get it. But, students need to know they will be given a consequence. In Texas, if you are over 12 years old you can go to juvenile. Send them. Let them know the shenanigans stop. Those who are under 12 need to go to an in school suspension. The shenanigans need to stop. Parents need to come in and sit with their students/children. Parents need to volunteer in their child's school. When a school has a violent student, send that kid on to the next level. Call the real police. This is how you will save kids. Get them to understand, they will be given a consequence, and it may be one they will not want. There is an old saying "Don't do something that your butt can't cash". Young parents of this current generation don't give their kids consequences, they just fuss at them. Unfortunately, they don't whip that behind the way my parents did when I was a little girl. We understood we would be given a consequence, so stay out of trouble, and do your school work. Study hard and don't bring home anything under 90%
Also, "security presence" does nothing if there are no natural consequences. School Districts need to stop being afraid of lawsuits. If you make everything about safety (not feelings, not home life, not victimhood) then there should be real standing in bringing back natural consequences and having higher expectations.
Go to any "why I quit teaching video" and the responses are identical; Lack of support, dangerous out of control kids, dangerous out of control parents, lack of money, kids getting ZERO CONSEQUENCES and the most over-aching factor of them all...THE NEED TO KEEP UP ATTENDANCE FOR MONEY. My first year teaching ALL THE ADMINS CARED ABOUT WAS THE FTE COUNT. period. There were schools, mine old schools included, where there was a ZERO SUSPENSION POLICY. Now, with the out cry from parents and overly "woke" people most of whom DO NOT TEACH OR WORK IN THE CLASSROOM, there are less resource officers and a "kinder", "gentiler" way of handling criminally violent students...its called..."Restorative Justice"...what is it you may ask? Well here's an example: a kid cusses out the teacher; threatens to harm them/kids/dogs/ with violence...and a "behavioral specialist" comes to the clasroom to "talk" to the offending child...yeah! that's what you need, that's how you respond to threats of violence...you pull the socio-/psycho path out of class and speak calmly to them...you listen to them talk about how they are justified b/c Mr./Ms./Mx. so-n-so asked them to do something horrendous like..." Take your seat and please stop talking because this material will be covered on the test..." After listening to them justify their behavior, the "specialist" then gives them what basically amount to a pep talk and send them right back into the same classroom enviorment where they get to gloat and say things like "see I told you they wasn't gonna' do nothing" sendin the message to other kids that there is no incentive to behave. The money from attendance is more important than the health and welfare of the teachers and good students within the horrible system.
The Admin has their hands legally tied from the "my kid would never do that." quick to sue parents. How about have teachers wear body cameras to film the little monsters in action so they can quickly get rid of these problems?
The story you've shared strikes at the heart of a crisis that goes beyond education into the well-being of our community's youngest members and those dedicated to guiding them. It's deeply troubling to hear of educators like Taylor and Danielle facing such harrowing conditions that not only threaten their safety but also the very fabric of their commitment to teaching. As someone who believes in the nurturing power of education and the profound responsibility we carry for our children's future, this situation calls for immediate and thoughtful action. The narrative of violence in the Salem Keizer School District is a stark reminder that our educators are often on the front lines, facing challenges that extend far beyond academics. It's imperative that we support them and respond with more than just temporary fixes or band-aid solutions. We must foster an environment where safety and respect are paramount, where learning can occur unimpeded by fear. As a country, we must unite in seeking sustainable solutions that address the root causes of such behavior, while also equipping our schools with the necessary resources to ensure a safe, conducive learning environment for all.
If violent unruly students can't be disciplined, teachers should all quit and let their parents be their teachers. Let's see how they do it. Let them taste their own medicine.
Might not work, a lot of parents don't even have some time to be there for their own kids because they're out there working on their job, most of them at least...
But yeah, something has to be done about this problem...
It's a systematic problem at this point, but a lot of the talk doesn't go past the school level.
I truly believe this will be the future of education- smaller, community schools led by the parents.
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@@Black-Rat Nah most people dont have time for their kids because they dont care. Their worthless people. Their here by the millions.
"Some kids come to school to Raise Hell
and they need to be removed from school, so actual students can learn.”
- Dr Thomad Sowell
*Thomas
@@newmamaful Yeah, proofreading is good.
I say why not separate the bad one out and put them in a tough guy/girl school away from the ones who want to learn.
@@eddieboggs8306 Yeah, that is a good idea. Maybe some of them will give each other darwin awards
@@daizee106
In the Marine Corp I heard they do this with their people. Have squads for tough ones,fat ones, skinny whatever . Not sure if that's true. Just heard it. One trouble maker in a classroom can ruin it for the rest. Get him/her out and see how good it gets.
These stories are true. When you go to your administration for support, you are told that the problem is you and that you have no "classroom management." There is a reason teachers are leaving the profession in droves.
This statement is true and it is the elephant in the room that experts deny. It is not about more money, more support etc., this statement gets right to the truth.
Yep it is such bull!
Then sue for any injuries you get, quit, after your resignation go to the media!
@darladeibler8413 A student that I used to deal with would hit other kids verbally. I would have to write incident reports every day. Also, the child would kick me, hit me, and slap me in the face. When I would go to my supervisor for support, I was told that the problem is me and that I didn’t have any classroom management skills. When my supervisor said that to me, I gave my supervisor a written notice. And I never went back.
Maybe teachers should start wearing body cameras just like the police do.
One of the major problems I saw when I worked in public schools is that there are 0 consequences for students when they misbehave. And kids know this. They openly exclaimed many times "it doesn't matter because you can't do anything." And they are right. When they are small, this is just an annoyance. But as they grow the amount of damage they can and often DO to each other and to the teachers increases. I saw a child as young as 3rd grade break a teacher's wrist and be back in her class a few days later. They gave her workman's comp and told her to shut up about it. But the violent behavior never stopped and it wasn't only from that one student. It was rampant throughout the entire school. To the point where we needed to monitor the bathrooms because we'd even gotten some reports of sexual assaults from the older kids (5th & 6th grade). You have to teach children what is not okay behavior and despite what we're told, it's impossible to do that without having any real consequences for bad behavior when they are younger. Just talking is not effective. Kids will try and see if any negative consequence comes from bad behavior and when they don't see anything happening, they conclude that adults are full of it and they can do whatever they want.
Well said. 🙏
I'd quit. Sue too
There is no consequences and the kids know it. It gives them license to do whatever they wish. They are not getting an education or preparation for the future. It is scary.
End times. Those kids are future generation. Bad
@@charleswest6372 How is a teacher able to sue if the district has bought out all the lawyers? Whenever you call a law firm they will tell you upfront they cannot represent you because they represent the School district. What are your suggestions?😢
This was never tolerated when I was going to grade school. Kids who were disruptive were moved to a seperate school that was dedicated to "special" needs so they didn't ruin others kids' learning.
That was called expulsion. Schools where I am don't "expel" anyone these days because of "No child left behind". Best the can do is suspend kids which for them is a vacation, not a punishment But I agree with your statement, this is what needs to be done. Students with behavioral issues need to out of the public sector and only be allowed to go to schools that cater to difficult kids because it shouldn't be tolerated. Bullying students and teachers has gone entirely too far and unfortunately, I agree much of it is the fault of entitle parents thinking thier child can do no wrong, and the school district binding the hands of the teachers and leaving them in an abusive and dangerous situation.
My teachers would have knocked me out first, then my folks would have beat my ass until i could not sit on it when i got home. And if i tried to tell on my teacher for knocking me out, my parent would have said i deserved it and i should act like a human being and it would not have happened
@@daizee106damn I’m sorry you had to go through that
@@Tast-1934. I am not. I am glad i am not a weak sniveling fool trying to fight adults
@@daizee106 this is a nuanced topic, kids get little control over their lives and they try to fight that, I'm not excusing their behavior but we have to try and understand why they act the way they do.
Us older, retired teachers have been saying for years that this was going to happen. They have eroded our authority and eliminated the consequences for bad student behaviour. On top of that, the idea of "Passing" a grade is nothing but a ridiculous joke. In order to elevate the number of graduates we have lowered our standards to the point nobody fails!
Did older retired teachers do anything to stop the teachers associations that created this mess? It seems the opposite. I’m not a teacher, so I’m not exposed to all of this, but when I was a kid, one of my neighbors was very involved in the local association and politics. She was a well to do woman who never married, and seemed very intelligent and well meaning. I wonder what she would think of all of this.
Seems to me school choice is the most obvious solution.
@@nunyabidness3075absolutely home school if no good options, schools are becoming ineffective and scary yet we are still taxed with no choice.
The left has done what you are complaining about. THE LEFT. Try that in a small town. Do not let george soreass soros get easy on crime DA's elected.
If you “old, retired” teachers saw this coming and knew it was going to happen, why didn’t the the old guard (your generation of folks) do anything, or put any measures in place to stop it from getting worse while you still had the chance? Don’t be one of the people that proudly proclaim they had the foresight to know how bad things would get while simultaneously showing that you had no intentions of trying to make things better. If you saw they were slowly chipping away at your authority, why didn’t you all band together and talk whichever admins you needed to to demand a change, and make it clear that things were going to keep getting worse? Being apathetic to a situation like this helps no one, and becomes even more gross when you become a “told ya so” type of person.
@@dogshake And just what were they supposed to do? Putting measures in place is the responsibility of those at the top. Many teachers hands are simply tied.
This is a parent problem. The kids act this way because parents are failing their children. Period. Taught in an urban setting , Boston , for 20 years. So glad to be outta there.
Miami here same story.
It’s almost like they learned how to act by watching the communities burn while their parents were out protesting.
@@ArchnaKapur at least we gave it a shot, and did our best. It’s a thankless, masochistic occupation. Barely got outta there with my sanity. The parents and admin were the worst. The kids were the best part.
Amen. Why do people have children if they are not willing to raise them? Nobody is holding a gun to your head to produce them. It’s not the school’s job to raise them. It’s the school’s job to educate them. Do these loser parents ever think of that? And do parents ever think to tell their children they should be thankful to have teachers? Do they ever tell their children they should be thankful for all the people who don’t have children but still pay taxes so we can have schools and teachers? The thought of telling their kids that never entered their lazy, privileged minds.
I'm sorry you went through all that. I was quite troubled kid and while I never assaulted anyone I'm sure some of my teachers were frustrated because some said they knew I had the potential but never did the work, and knowing someone believed me helped me (not immediately). On behalf of those kids that will grow up believe me, you have touched their lives in one way or another. I'm sure you brought positive energy and don't think it was all in vain. Best wishes.
I have a master's in social work and I am too afraid to get a job in these schools. There is nothing you can safely, or legally, do to defend yourself against armed children.
DO NOT GO THERE! You wrote your comment 7 months ago. Where are you working?
@jb_19 I had an intern student that is majoring in social work. And she came into my class to work with the student with behavioral barriers. And the student would kick and hit the intern student. I told her don’t do your internship at a school. You better off doing it in a hospital or a clinic.
I quit teaching to become a barber because in Ohio shopkeepers have always been permitted to carry guns at work plus to and from home and to and from the bank. Plus there’s no paperwork other than biannual inspections by the barber board and you’re allowed to refuse service to unreasonable people or kids who refuse to behave. I would also refuse to serve kids if the mothers wanted to leave them there while they shopped.
As someone who has worked in Baltimore public schools, I can honestly say I would rather go to Baghdad with the US military.
....Cozy both went to Baltimore public schools and went into Afghanistan with US Army as light infantryman, three ttimes.
By far Afghanistan was easier and less stressful and the cities and towns are safer.
Bring back suspension and expulsion. "Oh, we don't want to do that." What? Parents will start disciplining their kids when they see that schools are kicking their kids out? I used to be terrified of being expelled and ending up in the public school down the block because everyone knew you would get jumped by all the other kids. But now, there's no care.
They suspended a girl at the middle school I worked at she then proceeded to bring her mom and have her tell admin how she wasn't suspended. They agreed she wasn't all because she cussed them and her mom out threatening to beat them up.
Suspensions are useless. Kids love being home. Parents complain and then get what they want. Expulsions are harder to do for many reasons: parents fighting it, admin afraid to look bad, budget, etc.
This is absolutely a parent problem. When a student beats a teacher (and it happens more often than you think)
Then gets assaulted by the parent of that thug because their 'precious baby' was expelled or suspended.
And the teacher is the problem???
The children witnessing this are being traumatized. The teachers are experiencing trauma. It's a shame. Teachers and students should have the right not to be abused and to feel safe at work/school.
Time to close the schools and just tutor at home-!! NO other way.
There’s a common sense solution to this problem. Harsh discipline/penalties for parents and violent students
Parents JOB discipline. Schools are not babysitters.
In my school district a student is immediately expelled for one year for any violence towards a staff member and any violence which causes injury towards another student in addition to criminial charges. Parents are fighting it, but the community, the teachers and the administration remain steadfast. It's called the Zero Violence Policy backed by the State which requires every school campus to be a place of safe learning.
WOW! This is unheard of. Good for your school district!
@@jillsalkin7389 why thank yew, i'll tell em you said so. Schools a place of safe learning is unheard of? What 3rd world town are you from? Oh, you were being sarcastic. ha.
that is amazing
Where the hell you at
@@deandreray3500 mars u
I was assaulted by a 7th grader at Crossler middle school as a sub. I miscarried that night. I decided I wasn’t safe as a sub in middle schools and switched to only high school. The young kids are feral. It’s scary.
I am so sorry 😞.
I hope you sued the little f-er. I am so sorry for you.
Students who step out of line need to be permanently removed with RUTHLESS consistency, so that those who stay can learn in a healthy environment. What kind of a society are we building if we allow children to be violent, abusive and destructive with no consequences? How much is the prison population going to expand with people who were never taught the difference between right and wrong, and consequences for bad actions?
Social media is the worst thing that ever happened to our children. There are no consequences for their behavior, so what do you expect.
To me there is a direct correlation on bad behavior that is allowed in our schools now and the bad behavior we are seeing and hearing about on a daily basis in our society. It all starts with students being allowed to get away with anything now in our schools, and then the students just translate it into their future in our society. I blame all of this on our politicians, lawyers, school administration and parents. THEY are the problems. Teachers have been castrated - all powers have been striped of them. Until that changes, it is only going to get worse.
I agree 💯 %
Why not? The ex POTUS is allowed to get away with anything. Why wouldn't students expect the same?
@@harrycooper5231 STFU. Can you stick to the topic?
@@pistoffpussycat5778 I am sticking to the topic. If Trump can lead an insurrection to overthrow a freely elected government without consequence, why would anyone expect students to not think they had the same entitlement, to break the law without consequence? Or is Trump a special type of snowflake?
@@harrycooper5231 There was no insurrection. The Biden administration is a sham. You need to wake tf up. You deserve everything that's coming your way for voting these devil's into office. I hope your luggage gets stolen by a tranny.
I quit teaching in 2019. Definitely it is one of the best decisions I have ever made. The pandemic hit less than 6 months after I left and teachers now are even more miserable than before. Now I work in a lab and love it!
I went to acting from teaching and love it.
I started my own business in metaphysics. Greatest study I ever found.
Take me with you! LoL!!
I went into some classes this school year, didnt look so pretty
I retired in Jan. 2020. Thank goodness! I sub, but I pick the schools and grades I want.
Gotta start sending the bully students to jail. HAVE TO. they gotta start getting punished for misbehaving. Parents are tired of sending their kids to school where is supposed to be safe and a place of learning and then coming home to see their kid was bullied. If I was the president I’d say this. Students as well as anyone who misbehaves especially bullies will be sent to jail to learn there lesson.
better yet deport them back to the shitholes they belong
The question is not what can the schools do about this. The scary question is what kind of homes and parents are producing these sociopaths?
The kids don't know how to behave respectfully anymore. This is sad.
That is because nobody is teaching them to be respectful and have manners from a very young age. Which is the job of the parents. But so many 'parents' don't care anymore and are lazy or too busy on their phones all day. Or are anti-social thugs.
I used to work in a private school. Students used to hit teachers. If any teacher complained, that teacher would get fired.
What? Just for complaining?
Private school students expect to be treated like utter royalty. And their parents express similar sentiments. So they buy their children off and the private school admin. grovel at their feet 24/7. And since admin. fear lo$ing familie$/enrollment more than anything, all it takes is for ONE SINGLE STUDENT OR PARENT to be dissatisfied and that "dissatisfying" teacher gets the axe on the spot without any reason or rhyme. Whenever a teacher complains about an abusive student or parent, the teacher is expected to fix the problem themselves or get out (by choice or force in terms of the latter decision).
I taught in inner city Detroit as a high school teacher for 6 months. Never again. Neverrrrrrr again.
It is impossible to teach in the modern American classroom now. Society has disintegrated so much that is no longer possible.
Lucky students.
Hello. I am interested in teaching in Detroit with DPS. Could you tell me more about your experiences. Greatly appreciated. :)
Maybe the "United" States just shouldn't have schools, since it values education so little. And I say this as a former teacher.
Teachers need to start suing the parents and the district
I went to a very violent high school, 6 years after I left they had to close the school because they could not find any teachers willing to work in the environment. ( when I was there a 62 year old biology teacher was stabbed in the gut and a gang beat up a physical education teacher, broke his arm and 3 ribs)
And then the communities will cry that they are being discriminated against when there no schools left.
my friend teaches in a high school, he said all the kids who were in lower level classes all became far worse after covid, and he said the rest of the kids even are scared of them now. He says all the time how you literally can't do anything about any students, you have to try and 'work around' the bad ones because the teachers take all the blame for everything.
He says the kids started doing 'tik tok challenges' and vandalize the school, do whatever they want and most teachers have zero control over them. Any bad kids have to be catered to and everyone including any students who are well behaved have to suffer for it. It's all because the admin in schools have zero backbone, and won't do anything about any bad kids.
If the kids got worse AFTER Covid that’s a telltale sign of HOME being a problem
That's the parents problem
Kinda sends out the wrong message to other students. If other students see that bad behavior is going unpunished then they too will act bad.
not really. they missed social development from not being in school. Parents are to blame also, but the schools not having any backbone is the biggest issue@@jacquelynn2051
It's not Covid. They were like this before.
Remove all the violent kids from the district with permanent suspension. I am not being naiive here. They are dangerous and violent and must be removed from any school district where this is happening.
@Midnight Lightning Radio No way. I'm a teacher, and that's not segregation. I remember Clinton said, when he was president, that such kids should be removed from the classroom, immediatey.
@@cathrynkelleysmith5023 not happening nowadays.
@Midnight Lightning Radio Violent children come in all shapes, sizes, genders, ages, races, and religions. It's the individual that makes it happen.
Violent kids belong in juvenile prison to remain there until they turn eighteen. Then fine, let them go and give them a second chance, but the only high school diploma they should be eligible for is the GED. I taught GED at Job Corps. Getting expelled from high school is not the end of the world. But if the violent kids are not jailed it will definitely be the end of half the teachers teaching anymore. I quit teaching to work as a deckhand in the merchant marine taking bombs, APCs and MLRS rocket launchers to the Middle East during Gulf War I, it was a fucking pleasure cruise compared to teaching in the ghetto.
Deport them back to their shitholes
Parents are in such denial. They don’t care. They think what their kids do is cute. It’s sickening. Where the hell do they think these kids are going to end up after they leave school?
Likely evoke nurses
They don't care as long as it's not with them.
Prison or DEAD
MacDonald's. a Wal-Mart greeter. Or just some bum begging for loose change. Either way the parents will blame the schools.
Prison
When I was in school there were some monsters in our class and the school would try so hard but their parents would come up to the school and the monsters would brag about how their parents always get them outta trouble and gloat about how they were untouchable. And now those monsters are parents themselves and I can NOT imagine how bad their offspring are in the same school environment. I had to learn to be quiet and quick to anger to defend myself everyday, idk how I passed with as good of grades as I did. I feel for the kids just trying to learn.
Rap music glorifies violence, disrespect for authority, hatred, bullying, taking drugs, rebellion, anarchy, etc.
I teach at a small elementry school in a (socially) poor neighbourhood. Last year there was a lot of violence from kids, verbally and fysically. It's a slippery sloop. You don't see at first that it's getting worst, you gradually accept more each time, like that's how it is. Teacher turnover was 50%. Parents complained over their good kids being afraid to go to school. We didn't want to spent all our time and attention on bad kids, having the good kids missing out on what they need. We wanted the school to be a save and happy place for everybody. So the entire school set up a protocol of what we accept or not. Crossing the line meant sent to the principal and parents asked to come to school for a meeting. 3 visits to the principal meant suspension for a couple of days or a week. If behaviour didn't aprove the kid would have to seek another school. So far 5 kids left the school and at least 10 suspensions which sent a clear message to other kids and parents. The mood improved 80%. Rules are strictly followed and teachers are backed by management.
you are a teacher and you don't know how to spell?
You teach and spell physically with an "f". I'm scared.
@@theirmom4723 I don't teach in English and I don't teach English. It's my second language and I'm aware I'm not fluent in it. Luckily I am fluent and flawless in my own language.
@@europeangardenflower9812 I am English and I would not have guessed that you weren't from your writing. Ignore that moron...your English is great. How many languages does that guy speak?
Same here. That is bad.@@theirmom4723
How much more of this needs to happen until the whole wide world will finally wake up, see all of this, and finally say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"?
It’s not just violent kids. It’s admin. I question what is the purpose of admin being at the schools. It certainly is not to help kids learn and get an education. They help kids pass by doing one assignment or none for the whole school year, only need to show up and pass their classes. Then principals comment teachers lost touch with teaching and kids because they don’t pass. If admin not there at the school to help kids learn and get an education, what are they doing at the schools and getting paid so much….
So blame it on the district employees instead of irresponsible parents? Uh...okay.
@@sitcomcommando9798 parents play a major part of the problem too.
@@jjc6530 ...No...The parents are the problem. They are the true root of the problem. The only other problem is the violent child itself. The actions of school administration are a result of the problem. When irresponsible and disinterested parents do nothing to educate or control their children the school systems are forced to react. The system does not fail kids and never has. Parents fail kids and then blame everyone else. Typical lack of accountability among parental failures who don't value education in the first place.
@@sitcomcommando9798 I agree
Their purpose is to collect a big fat pay check and keep the status quo and do as little work as possible. I think teachers should adopt this way of doing things as well bc there’s absolutely no reward for going above and beyond as a teacher. Teachers usually learn this very late in their career for the few that make it that far. 🙄😂😡
Security presence increased walking the halls? Why not hire teacher assistants so there are two teachers in every class? You need two adults in every class over 17 - 20 students… safety, assist with academics and to allow for administrative duties to be done ON THE JOB during contract hours.
I fully agree.
BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE A TEACHER OR IA ANYMORE!! What do you think they can do? Hire homeless people off the street? There's already a huge teacher shortage.
A break down of family units….single parent homes….addiction and the struggle to survive forcing parents to have multiple jobs and our culture of acting out to get attention is why…a big part of why this is happening….we need to adopt policy where chronic behavior problems are forced into alternative schools and then juvenile programs
This problem seems to exist all over the U.S. and many other western countries. I wanted so hard to be a teacher, knowing that it would be hard work and challenging. I never expected to hear and see the things that I have over the course of the past decade. Violence, swearing, a complete lack of empathy for human suffering and life, not to mention zero interest in cultivating academic success. And some of the most disgusting sexual comments that children should never even know about, let alone say to an adult.
This is beyond strategies and political affiliations. This is a sickness of the soul. I am absolutely defeated and heartbroken more and more each day. Right now I suffer through not for the kids but for my family, because of benefits and pay. But no paycheck is worth this shit.
my wife has been a teacher for nearly 30 years (yes, with MS Degree). She says the problem is that the SCHOOL BOARDS AND ADMINISTRATORS refuse to have and enforce reasonable discipline policies. The solution is to elect school boards that set discipline as a top priority and monitor them and insist that they hire school administrators who understand that. IF you want to make things better for everyone, run for election to your school board. Get like minded people to run also. You CAN get elected and fix this mess. You can then see to it that policies that end the chaos are implemented and that school administrators DO THEIR JOBS. Then the teachers would be supported and backed up when they discipline disruptive students. Parents would again support and backup the teachers. Then the chaos would END. Schools would again be SANE asylums, as they were when I grew up. NEVER chaotic. No attacks on other students (ok, sure, there was the rare fight, but only between 2 students and not knock down drag outs), but NEVER an attack on a teacher. Ancient history, I guess. I graduated HS in 1964.
@@Donley76 like I said, its time for folks to run for school boards and correct this. I am too old and running out of steam, but there are plenty of people who could, and SHOULD, do this.
Parents teach ur kids respect
How about the parents of these disrespectful students be put in the classroom to be teachers since they are the ones responsible for their childrens behavior.
It's like this in every school. It's awful! No matter which district you choose in any state students have zero consequences. Districts are at fault. Leave this career, so toxic!
The problem here is that too many people are having kids who have no business having kids. If you do not want to take on the responsibility of raising your kids right, then simply DO NOT HAVE ANY KIDS!! You do not HAVE to have kids to live.
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More kids = More EBT 💲
Until the schools are allowed to suspend or expell the unruly/incorrigible/delinquent students, without being accountable for their schooling, this situation will continue deteriorate.
The single most ridiculous thing about the rotten Cleveland high school I taught at was that gang members from the surrounding community would enter the building to beat up students then would assault any teacher who attempted to drag them off of the much younger and smaller kids they were assaulting, but most ridiculous, these same gang bangers would continue to enjoy access to the building so in retrospect one has to marvel that the teachers weren’t all carrying concealed weapons. This was back in the mid 1980s at South High School, Cleveland, probably the worst high school in the entire state of Ohio, which was closed to be converted into a storage facility for the board of education. I finally quit during my second year when I got tired of my clueless department chairman and of breaking up fights all the time. Cops who handcuffed students who’d assaulted teachers would be driven home and released by the police. It was totally ridiculous. That school district has declined in enrollment from 75,000 to perhaps half that number today.
a battery should mean you go before a judge and NEVER go back to that school
I always like when these administrators come and observe. It's called the observer effect. Kids aren't going to behave the same if the administrator who has the authority to suspend is watching, and students know that these unarmed "security specialists " are minimum wage workers that are told that they cant touch students.
How has it happened that teachers and school administrators cannot discipline students? Also, cell phones should not be allowed on school property.
This makes me so sad. I went there in the 90s what happened? Our school have turned to cesspools nationwide now.
I’m so lost at the administrations question, How can we help?
REALLY? Real consequences!!
In the 1960's , public schools in New Jersey were bad. I got punched, slapped, kicked, spit on, stabbed by pencils. Kids were so bad. They would not listen to the teachers, classroom fights. One of my teachers got up and left the math class because the kids were throwing things and talking loud and cursing. The princpal cane in and said "Monday morning you'll be getting a new teacher". The new teachers name was Mr. Rucker. Well, can you imagine what they were calling him to his face?! Kids weren't good back then either!
Not just special education……please, students threaten you with everything. They tell you “I’ll get your fired! I’ll lie and tell them you touched me!” “I don’t have to do ANYTHING I don’t want to!” And their parents back that up. And if you write them up…….the principal deletes the write up before district sees it! When I found this out, I just started calling home, to no avail, sent emails, to no avail…….done! Over it! I paid $$$$ to get out of my contract. I have PTSD from TEACHING elementary school! The teachers are threatened by Admin and students, with ZERO support. I quit. The end.
No amount of money, counselors, or security fixes this. Our culture is rotted. Society needs fundamental change. Individuals need to address the spiritual needs that are the root of the behavior. We need to ask ourselves what kind of people we want to be and how to get there.
I was once a bad kid in elementary school, but this is just messed up
Sounds like incompetent adult administrators.
Social media controls these kids now, and that is where they get their values from narcissistic behavior, self entitled brats who are catered to by admin
Press charges on those kids assaulting teachers.
Administration does little but blame everything on the teacher! Always their fault!! Children are out of control and we will see what kind of adults we will have in the future!
If my 11 year old child ever acted this way, her ass would be blistered! I think that’s part of the issue- if kids don’t care what their parents do, why would they care about teachers? They don’t. Come on guys, it’s time to stop the coddling. Seriously.
It’s sad that parents don’t do anything.
This is why educators avoid schools
zero consequence equals zero compliance
GET RID OF THE BAD KIDS!!! PERIOD! If you curse, put your hands on anybody (student or teacher), you're expelled for GOOD!! When i was in school it was always the same people causing trouble, bullying, fighting. They should have gotten rid of those kids because when they didn't it interfered with everybody else who was just there to learn.
Kids are beating the crap out of a peer and I’m supposed to believe he is misbehaving? Wow! It used to be that kids who did stupid stuff like sticking gum in a girl’s hair or putting Mentos in a bottle of Coke and spewing the sticky stuff everywhere were misbehaving. Now we have dumbed down the word so we can include kids beating the 💩out of each other are misbehaving. I’d hate to see what they do with “murder” some day.
Sir...they just told you how you can help...I feel so badly for these kids, all of them-they need so much more support and help, as do the teachers.
The assistant superintendent seems utterly clueless....
if the administration and school board are incompetent, then the district has no hope. And that's the case in almost all districts it seems
I don't blame the teachers leaving
It's not the teachers, its the administration and the education system.
I AM THE SON OF A TEACHER. Mom came home most of the days overwhelmed with work and sad or depressed when she was insulted by a student. She prepared in home her plans for teaching, she can't spend time with her own kids, working on lessons that students won't appreciate. I am so sad watching her driving to a place where she will be disrespected, and called the "B" word just for asking students to pay attention. The schools want my mom to be God and control what the whole government can't. My mom is a person with feelings, emotions, and family, she deserves to be happy and respected like everybody else! if a secretary in a company is called by her boss B or F or the N-word because he is rude, are you going to educate the secretary to learn relational skills to make him happy and blame her for causing that? does she have to go to level 5 to keep her job or lose it? so you will train her to accept her domination and misery??
Take away those phones. lock them in carry case during school.
Not everyone needs to go to school. An education is a privilege and not a right. It is fine if a few bad apples lose this opportunity so everyone else can be in a safe and constructive learning environment.
It’s actually defined as a right
In fact if you don’t go to school you can be arrested and charged
@@jhanturandall2519 a right in what sense? Voting is a right, yet people lose that right if they commit a felony. It should definitely be possible to lose your ability to gain an education if one engages in violence
Prison guards aren’t working under these conditions. It’s disgusting.
Expulsions and arrests for crimes solves this issue.
100%
If the behavior sh*t in this video was done public it is considered criminal behavior, why isn't it assault and vandalism IN schools?! I scrimped to send my children to private schools (1990s nurse pay, and overtime hours, as their father is disabled), after my own mediocre-scholastic-and-sometimes -frightening-exposure-to-some-scary-classmates in public school experience in the 1970s. Yes, my children's private schools had behavior issues, but these students were expelled! The schools did not care if the parents were big donors or not. It was adios to the behavior problem students (the schools had an entrance exam, interview and wait list, so empty spots were easily filled).
The students are no worse than their parents.
Teachers in many many school districts sign confidentiality agreements.
funny that parents are nobody to students. If they have no control,then it's game over.
Many parents let their own children rule the roost at home because it's "easier that way" and the children are "happy"; so therefore, the parents' lives aren't as stressful. It's idiotic, and a complete choice of sorts on the so-called "adult" parents' parts.
What these kids need is old fashioned DISCIPLINE! They must be taught BY THEIR PARENTS to do what they are told, to respect others and not to act like spoiled brats. Discipline does not mean you have to beat them. It does sometimes require a firm spanking, and sometimes repeated firm spankings. This should be starting at a very young age around 2 years. If you fail to instill a fear of reprisal within them at this young age, you will forever have a spoiled, self entitled little brat that NOBODY wants to be around, much less teach. The lack of learned discipline is what is hurting society and those who are tasked in educating them. Do not blame the teachers for parents failure to fulfill their inherent responsibilities.
A dollar paid in school taxes is a dollar down the drain. I vote no on taxes every chance I get.
I feel bad for our women who even wanna be teachers anymore in any public schools
There are a lot of men teaching as well. Not easy for anyone.
The kid that had a broken nose beat his girlfriend, there’s false information here.
@@misterpsych3804 Yeah but you don’t get harassed sexually or get called white bitch like they do for everything
why not the men too?
Both women and men suffer similarly when teaching in schools. Neither gender is respected any more or less than the other(s) in schools these days.
I couldn't believe the pictures that I seen of the classrooms trashed. NEVER had anyone do that when I was in school from 1980-1993. A lot of these bad kids is the result of the parents who can't control them. I think that every school district should have a separate "alternative school" for all special education students and those students with disabilities. Any student who misbehaves such as those described in this video should be sent there and kept out of the general school. Also corporal punishment should be in every school and that means the paddle or the belt. Lengthy after school detention {1-2 hours) as well as "Saturday School" punishment should be used. Out of school suspension only for very serious offenses. In school suspension should be used more too.
It's not all special education students. A person can qualify for Sped because they are behind academically. Most of the kids in my school who act up like this are not qualified as Sped kids. Either their parents are in denial and refuse to get them tested or receiving therapy/meds, or they are high functioning but have a behavioral diagnosis like ODD (which doesn't mean they are Sped). Please don't group all Sped kids together like this. Many of them just want to be accepted by their peers and don't deserve to be shoved aside.
@@noonehasthisname385 I totally understand what you're saying. I'm only talking about the kids with behavioral problems. Kids who are falling behind academically should not be considered as special education. I totally understand what you're saying as well about some students who want to be accepted with the general school population. Those are the ones that want to overcome their problems and are wanting help and thankful for it.
If you've been assaulted you should press charges no if ands or buts press charges for assault
Seems to me the reduction in suspensions is due to consequences being lessened, which is why the teachers signed a letter asking for consequences. Cooking the books doesn't make the problems go away, it makes them persist.
I was a candidate for employment with the Salem-Keizer School District and I was turned down for a job there. I was disappointed at that time, but looking back at it now, I am so glad I was not hired to work for Salem-Keizer SD.
Makes me feel better keeping my kids home this year.
Social media has caused rampant apathy and violence.
I live in Texas, and their are 0 consequences for students when they misbehave. People do not want to do the school to pipeline to prison. I get it. But, students need to know they will be given a consequence. In Texas, if you are over 12 years old you can go to juvenile. Send them. Let them know the shenanigans stop. Those who are under 12 need to go to an in school suspension.
The shenanigans need to stop. Parents need to come in and sit with their students/children. Parents need to volunteer in their child's school. When a school has a violent student, send that kid on to the next level. Call the real police. This is how you will save kids. Get them to understand, they will be given a consequence, and it may be one they will not want. There is an old saying "Don't do something that your butt can't cash". Young parents of this current generation don't give their kids consequences, they just fuss at them. Unfortunately, they don't whip that behind the way my parents did when I was a little girl. We understood we would be given a consequence, so stay out of trouble, and do your school work. Study hard and don't bring home anything under 90%
We finally convinced admin. to confiscate phones. It would be a miracle for students to receive consequences for violent behavior.
Great advertisement for Home Schooling.
Also, "security presence" does nothing if there are no natural consequences. School Districts need to stop being afraid of lawsuits. If you make everything about safety (not feelings, not home life, not victimhood) then there should be real standing in bringing back natural consequences and having higher expectations.
Principles need to bind together and deal with this situations
Go to any "why I quit teaching video" and the responses are identical; Lack of support, dangerous out of control kids, dangerous out of control parents, lack of money, kids getting ZERO CONSEQUENCES and the most over-aching factor of them all...THE NEED TO KEEP UP ATTENDANCE FOR MONEY.
My first year teaching ALL THE ADMINS CARED ABOUT WAS THE FTE COUNT. period.
There were schools, mine old schools included, where there was a ZERO SUSPENSION POLICY. Now, with the out cry from parents and overly "woke" people most of whom DO NOT TEACH OR WORK IN THE CLASSROOM, there are less resource officers and a "kinder", "gentiler" way of handling criminally violent students...its called..."Restorative Justice"...what is it you may ask?
Well here's an example: a kid cusses out the teacher; threatens to harm them/kids/dogs/ with violence...and a "behavioral specialist" comes to the clasroom to "talk" to the offending child...yeah! that's what you need, that's how you respond to threats of violence...you pull the socio-/psycho path out of class and speak calmly to them...you listen to them talk about how they are justified b/c Mr./Ms./Mx. so-n-so asked them to do something horrendous like..." Take your seat and please stop talking because this material will be covered on the test..."
After listening to them justify their behavior, the "specialist" then gives them what basically amount to a pep talk and send them right back into the same classroom enviorment where they get to gloat and say things like "see I told you they wasn't gonna' do nothing" sendin the message to other kids that there is no incentive to behave.
The money from attendance is more important than the health and welfare of the teachers and good students within the horrible system.
The people in charge the principal people in charge they belong in jail for not doing anything
You mean the parents
The Admin has their hands legally tied from the "my kid would never do that." quick to sue parents. How about have teachers wear body cameras to film the little monsters in action so they can quickly get rid of these problems?
good for the teacher, make the crappy parents teach their crappy kids
Parents, parents, parents!
The only thing that will work is for the parents to be held accountable for the actions of their seeds.
The story you've shared strikes at the heart of a crisis that goes beyond education into the well-being of our community's youngest members and those dedicated to guiding them. It's deeply troubling to hear of educators like Taylor and Danielle facing such harrowing conditions that not only threaten their safety but also the very fabric of their commitment to teaching. As someone who believes in the nurturing power of education and the profound responsibility we carry for our children's future, this situation calls for immediate and thoughtful action.
The narrative of violence in the Salem Keizer School District is a stark reminder that our educators are often on the front lines, facing challenges that extend far beyond academics. It's imperative that we support them and respond with more than just temporary fixes or band-aid solutions. We must foster an environment where safety and respect are paramount, where learning can occur unimpeded by fear. As a country, we must unite in seeking sustainable solutions that address the root causes of such behavior, while also equipping our schools with the necessary resources to ensure a safe, conducive learning environment for all.
Where was the Portland Street Response team?
And as soon as anyone tries to stop the violence, they lose their jobs and get sued.
The American public is in denial.