Putting filter capacitors from the motor power tabs to the case, like on an rc car, will prevent the machine from stopping in the middle of operation. The sparking of the brushes, under load, creates a lot of noise in the motor speed control, and ends up feeding into the rest of the control board.
You can also look where the motor is grounded and ground your work piece to the same place in a pinch. It will push the esd issues into the ground plug.
@rapid13 The windings of the electric motor have inductance and electrical noise is generated as electric current is switched on and off to create the rotational forces. This electrical noise can travel throughout the power supply (backfeed), radiating into the control system and cause malfunction. Capacitors can be used to dampen the voltage spikes responsible for creating this electrical noise, shunting the noise to power supply ground and away from the signal circuitry to avoid interference.
Thanks for watching! I'm always looking to improve my product reviews, so let me know what you thought of this review or if there's anything I should have covered! ✌
I bought a 3018 with 20x20 extrusions and 3D printed parts some years ago, and only did a few test cuts on it before deciding it needed lots of upgrades, so it just got abandoned. I've just bought a Genmitsu 3020 Pro Max v2 at more than 3 times the price, and that looks like it will be rigid and powerful enough to do some useful work, although I haven't cut anything on it yet. I'd have had to replace almost every part of the 3018 to get anywhere near the rigidity of the 3020, and it's got a far more powerful spindle motor. Bottom of the range 3D printers and laser engravers can produce great results because they have no physical contact with the workpiece, but there's a reason why CNC routers are expensive, and CNC milling machines are unaffordable for home use! I only have very limited expectations even for my 3020!
All great points, I totally agree! These are fun machines but like you said upgrading to make them practical is totally not worth it. I think the linear rails on the 3020 alone make a huge difference, not to mention the spindle upgrade. I hope to get my hands on one to test it out, but no luck yet. Thanks for the comment!
It doesnt need upgrades, you just bought the wrong tool for your use case. Spend good money on one and you will get more use out of it. Buy one of these if you like to play.
To use the clamps more effectively: 1. Turn the screws around that are farthest from the workpiece. The flathead part can go on the plate instead o f the other end will cut into the plate. 2. The screws in the slots look correct. 3. Procedure: Put the clamp on the workpiece. Hold it with a finger so that it is flat on the workpiece. Adjust the flathead screw (the one that is furthest from the workpiece) so the clamp has a very slight angle towards the workpiece, like 2-3 degrees or so. Tighten the wingnut with desired amount holding pressure. This is how machinists use clamps to hold workpieces and is the most efficient way to hold a workpiece. Always be sure your tool can clear the clamp screws and keep in mind the a G0XxxYxx will go in a diagonal line instead of one axis at a time. (been there done that!)
I bought the cheap 3018 cnc and it certainly has served its purpose of teaching me what is involved. Broke a lot of bits while attempting to learn. I turned out many great projects, including circuit boards, where the key is to go slow with very small depth increments if you are looking for quality cuts. I am certainly ready for an upgrade, but this entry level cnc is certainly worth it for someone new to the cnc world, especially if you lack confidence in your ability to learn everything involved.
I bought a 3018 and after playing with it I decided it was only really suitable to etch / cut with a laser due to bowing of the gantry rails. I then bought a 3018 pro ultra which is completely aluminium and is very very sturdy so I'll just stick with that and sell on the original 3018 which can only be classed as a toy in my books. Next upgrade is a 290w fibre laser to cut metal, we'll see how that goes once I have the laser safety goggles and a fire extinguisher!
@@ModernHobbyist sorry for the late response. This is mostly related to temperature. I don't think that the plastic enclosure had any rf shielding effect, I used PLA.
Lol! Thanks, I laughed so hard for so long lolol!.. I was just telling a coworker yesterday that an old man told me when he was a kid his brother used to yell down the measurements from the roof.. "Two hammer shafts and the red screwdriver"
Are there any similar mills that can be used to cut galvanized steel with even multiple shallow passes? I had a project where I needed to cut a galvanized metal tie/strap to fix part of my gutters and I couldn’t get as clean and straight of a cut that I wanted to using hand tools.
If you're thinking about upgrading the optical guides good luck - none of the stock hole placements lend themselves to a linear rail upgrade. you can however, mill g10 with this thing out of the box (800mm/s, 3.125mm single flute endmill, 1mm DOC) and make new x towers that give a little more flexibility in rail choices!
What software is available for this machine? There was no mention of any software to control it. Thanks. I was looking at this for engraving medals for competitions. Would it be suitable for this?
Thank you for clear review. I have just bought this model and would be using it as a learning tool (I am novice in CNC programing). Would you be able to direct me to some guidance how to generate the input file coded instructions. as a first project I would like to use the machine to engrave various shapes in to the wooden plate. Thanks in advance
If you want less chatter, try gluing the peice down so there's no vibrating from the material. Also shorten the cutter overhang. I have a similar cnc and I can do .8mm doc with minimum chattering :)
I am new to CNCc and am wondering if a cheap CNC mill can be used as an automatic punching machine. i have a workpiece with dozens of precisely placed punch locations. Normally I use a sharpened needle to manually punch holes as its a sheet of soft material. My questions are: 1) whether i can connect this sharp needle to the CNC and simply use it as a puncher instead of a drill. 2) my work area is about 4 inches square. The hole sizes are relatively small approx 1mm. Is there a way to manually tell the cnc every time i place a new workpiece what the rotation of my workpiece is. Or give it multiple reference points instead of just one (xy 00) so it knows what the rotation of workpiece is around the z axis. 3) I am not sure if the cnc can exert a certain force downward so the needle can punch hole all the way. if not, icould it be possible to connect an automatic spring loaded puncher so that the spindle just has to come down and the rest will happen by the impact of the spring. Thank you.
Exactly what one would expect from an honest review. Good work. Unfortunately I'm yet to buy a Cheeseburger-capable measuring tape; over here it's just dem pesky centimeters and grams and something called centigrade and whatnot. Anyway, you have a new subscriber. Cheers!!
Can it drill/cut PCBs? I am thinking of getting into PCB making and I need a cheap CNC machine to drill/cut etched ones. I am not concerned about the size since PCBs I'd be making will be small anyway.
Thanks for the upload 👍🏻 I bought a Genmitsu 3018 in 2020, but used it sparingly for only a year or 2. I recently started using it again in hopes to overcome the difficulties I had in the past. Side note, my machine only came with a pack of those daggers. Unfortunately I can’t figure out setting proper tool paths with them in fusion. It fights me constantly and I end up giving in a just using a 1/16” bit, which isn’t helpful for some of the stuff I want to carve.
As a Toolmaker for 30+ years I think people have a tendency to opt for high spindle speeds and feeds as a default. Regardless of machining calculators, when using light machines or manual machines opt for low spindle speeds and lower feeds to begin with. Higher feed puts pressure on the cutting tips, cutter shank and in the case of weaker set ups the spindle internals and then the mount. High Spindle speeds will introduce heat and wear to the cutter, chips and material which is a continuous loops of heat source especially when airblast or coolant isn't present. I enjoyed the review and would be interested in purchasing one for mold car builds if 3d machining is an option on these machines. Keeping in mind I don't know much about the capacity for this machine to handle the memory requirements.
I have a SainSmart 3018 that i got as a Gift last year (X-Mas 2024), and I DONT Love it...( I dont HATE it, but I Dont Love it..) It is Definitely a 'Starter' Machine. Parts are readily available, and they are relatively easy to use, with decent Tech Support. I do agree that a Larger Machine (4040) is the way to go if your trying to accomplish "NICE" things...
Try WD-40 on machine parts and cutters and plastic machining, use a small brush or a hand scwert bottle and adjust your speeds and feeds. Use a two or three flut end mill and try to reduce tooling flex by using the stubby-est milling bit you can find or make (using carbide is best, no tooling flex). Hope this helps !
Great for learning and I cut circuit boards on mine that go in my permanent projects. I practiced a lot with pressboard knowing I could send my files to a machine shop for metal cutting. I would buy a 4’x8’ sheet at Lowe’s, have them cut it to the bed size, then glue layers to make a blank. I now only use it to cut circuit boards. You can do a lot with them. My favorite thing is drilling holes in circuit boards. No way I could drill 50 holes by hand and have all my components line up. I cut the traces with cheap v bits from Amazon. Save money and only use cheap bits. These things will glitch and break the bit off every now and then. I broke a $30 bit the first week. I am using a 3d printer now for most things not circuit boards, but I would not own a $150 3d printer.
Good video I know nothing about CNC's but saw this model at Home Depot for $120 so I thought why not. I watched two other videos that pretty much gave the same review as you so I'm gonna go ahead and try it out.
You are not using your clamps properly. The way you are clamping is putting more pressure on the backside of the clamp rather than on the part. You should have a slight slant pointed down towards your part.
I was thinking about starting out with one of these, but that flex when you apply a little force to the z-axis rules this one out! Guess I'm gonna go with something just a little bit more upscale...
Dare I ask, how does it do with steel/aluminum? At a minimum and based on your experience with copper, I'm assuming you'd need to ground the piece. But with the right bits, would it engrave/cut on this machine?
You have to be conservative with your feeds, speeds and depth of cut with a machine like this. It takes some experimenting to arrive at the best settings for various materials. But, other than that…a machine like this is a great choice for one off or non-production items.
I'm hanging out to get into CNC machining, but don't want the kinds of headaches a budget contender like this brings. How much would I need to spend to get into high quality, headache-free territory for smaller projects (about the size of this one, or larger, would suffice)?
I think your Video and Review/Comments Appear to be honest and Trustworthy I liked your Findings and Reccomendations IMO. It’s still hard for me to digest at 60 years of Age that today for $149.00 give or take we can get something with this machines Ability and Technology shipped to you and with minor tweaking and some time for Assembly. You can have it up and Working in a somewhat Reasonable time frame Although it has its flaws and Linitations IMO it’s appears to be a decent deal I’m a retired Professional Woodworker by Trade having this machine Appears to be a Asset in my Shop/Home to have Around for certain projects
I love that perspective! It’s easy to take for granted the access we have to tools like this! I still find myself speechless sometimes when I watch my 3D printers going! Thanks for the comment!
nice review! i was just looking at a vevor 3018 for $208aud delivered , so about $140usd. i want to only use it for circuit board prototype making, i am pretty sure grounding and spike suppresion will help with cpu lock ups. a ball bearing 12v fan cant hurt as someone else mentioned. do you think as a one purpose machine, the circuit board making , it is worth it? thanks
After watching, You may have gotten the static shock from the vacuum! I have destroyed several electronics due to the static buildup in the plastic end of a vacuum hose.
@@ModernHobbyist Im honestly suprised there isn't more of a warning on vacuums, half of them don't even have a ground prong to discharge the static. Do you still use this setup or have you moved to something bigger and better? I was curious about these little cnc machines for post processing on 3d printed parts and epoxy parts.
@@KooshiesElectronicsI don’t have this same machine anymore, but I do have an upgraded version I could mess around with to see if I can prevent my shop vac from shocking it. The upgraded ones seem a lot sturdier for not a lot more money
@ I imagine a screw into the plastic hose, Closest to the end with a wire going to ground should discharge, But i am ignorant to how electricity and static work with plastic.
Would it be able to drill a hole pattern in 1mm mild steel? Just vertical holes with the only use of CNC functionality to get them all in precise locations without manual work.
What program you use to edit the gcodes l get a mini cnc from vevor too but l cant use because l dont have any idea about g codes and programs my cnc its a mini cnc router machine s4040
One is available semi locally to me for $100. I'm currently in the process of sourcing parts for an openbuilds ox or workbench. Would it be worth it to pickup the 3018 to learn on while I build the bigger machine?
Thanks for the review dude, I was just about to hit the button to order one of these and I think I will give it a miss. I think the frustration isn't worth the price point. Cheers!
I know it’s been a while since you posted this video but would you think this machine would work to custom engrave cattle ear tags? Most people use a handheld dremel tool but i’m very much a perfectionist and wondered if this would work in the material of an ear tag. They’re plastic/ rubber material!
Hello, can someone who knows about this tell me what part I need? On the control board on my Vevor 3018 I accidentaly damaged the PC - USB connector, and I need to change it, but I cant identifiate the correct component. It will be possible to buy, or can I buy new control board? Thank you
I was looking at this mini CNC and as you mentioned, the listing made it sound like this setup was made of a combination of Aluminum plate covered in Bakalite. At least that is what I thought. I was also concerned about the setup and how difficult it might be. I'm not computer savvy like the younger generation, so this is a concern no matter where I get it from. Thank you for your honest review. I specifically looked at this model because they offer the machine with an extruded aluminum and plexiglass enclosure for an extra $75. The I realized that it would be cheaper to make my own enclosure. I think I'm going to pass on this model and look at a larger model made from stronger material, and a better rated one. Thank you!
is there anything like the bambu labs of cnc to buy? where it just works without major issues? have a p1p and a1 and would love to experiment with some cnc without a ton of fuss
Only for 1 material per machine. Theres professional machines of course but really expensive. Like a pcb engraver. Or a wood cutter. Or that some thingy made for making ar lowers. Theres not really going around of having to know a bit of what you're doing if you're not doing just 1 workflow of like said something like cutting a pcb or an engraving
If I got some better bits, you think this would be able to cut graphite for gold moulds? I only really need 2 different pieces cut so if it breaks or isn't exact, not a big deal at this price point
I’m not sure to be honest! I’ve never machined graphite before but I do think the right bit improves the quality of this machine. But if you have a little bit more budget swing for a better machine
I have this machine but from one of the other manufacturers (SainSmart, I think), and I got it to cut carbon fiber, although I have yet to set it up and try it. Given your experience, do you think it is possible to cut parts from carbon fiber? When I ordered it, I also ordered additional end mills as I wasn't sure what it came with. You've inspired me to stop being lazy and build my machine tonight, so thanks for that as well as the super week done video review. Your points were clear and concise as well as entertaining. I'm subscribed now and look forward to more content from you. P.S. for some reason, I feel the sudden desire to go get some cheeseburgers. As the old saying goes, measure twice, eat once... or is it order twice cut once?
this is really interesting. I want to get a 3D printer at some point, does anyone know of a CNC that's kind of designed to do both around a 300-400 USD price range? It'd be awesome if there was something I can get as a 3D printer and later be able to swap the tool head to do some milling on wood or plastic.
You could check out Snapmakers, though my experience has been that 3d printers aren't particularly well suited for CNC routing since they're not designed to be rigid.
@@ModernHobbyist Oh shit! Thanks! it's always cool when the guy making the video responds to you! I was actually thinking about it the other way around. Like some cheap CNC router like this one that can sort of easily be fitted with a 3D printer head without too much fuss or requiring me to fabricate something since I don't have either atm I wanna get into it at some point. That snapmaker is way out of the budget I was aiming for. I guess I'll have to stick with 3D printer get a separate machine later specifically for CNC milling.
End mills have 3 or more flutes and are for end facing hence the name, you can't feed down with them.slot mills have 2 flutes and are designed to feed down into the material,
I have heard great things about the 3020 pro as a desktop machine but you could also get a larger format one. I don’t have a recommendation for you there yet, but hopefully soon!
Hmmmm, I don't know exactly what I would use one for off the top of my head other than for creating circuit boards. Lately I just buy copper clad boards, draw the circuit on the board in ink, use a special bit chucked in to my drill press for routing out circles in the copper & then clean off the ink with alcohol followed by hope for the best when I attempt to build the darn circuit. Years ago before I went to the university to study, seemingly forever, pure mathematics I spent four years as a structural & misc iron draftsperson or detailer. CAD was only just in its infancy when I ended my drafting experience & I never bothered to become familiar with the software. So, were I desiring to give the machine a go for perhaps making wood pillow bearings or some other small part having tight tolerances I would not know which software to use nor exactly how to translate it to what a CNC machine apparently needs aka a Gerber file. My dilemma is, do I think such a machine would offer opportunities that were worth the effort to learn new tricks, especially when at 69 I've had a lifetime of learning tricks including nearly 15 years spent learning many a persons least favorite subject. If it would help scratch build RC sailplanes that very well might give me the impetus to buy a similar machine. Any other cool projects it could be useful for I'd like to hear about.
Appreciate the Cheeseburger conversion. Too many channels overlook this unit of measurement.
LOL!!
Problem is the different sizes of Cheeseburgers:
Slider, McDonalds, Jack, Whopper, Diner, and Texas
Was just about to ask if those would be Whoppers, Big Mac's, Jumbo Jack's, etc.
@@DaiShuryoTechnus I measure everything in Checker's Burgers. Primarily the Double Fry Lovers Burger.
So one Korgi equals 4 vertical burgers. Good to know
3:25 [US] "5 x 4 cheeseburgers 🍔 and 1 corgi 🐕 tall", that is pure gold! 😂😂😂
Putting filter capacitors from the motor power tabs to the case, like on an rc car, will prevent the machine from stopping in the middle of operation. The sparking of the brushes, under load, creates a lot of noise in the motor speed control, and ends up feeding into the rest of the control board.
I expect .01uf ceramic disk caps would provide adequate dampening.
You can also look where the motor is grounded and ground your work piece to the same place in a pinch. It will push the esd issues into the ground plug.
I have no idea what this means, but it sounds like you know your stuff so I’m saving this video to refer back to your comment.
@rapid13 The windings of the electric motor have inductance and electrical noise is generated as electric current is switched on and off to create the rotational forces. This electrical noise can travel throughout the power supply (backfeed), radiating into the control system and cause malfunction.
Capacitors can be used to dampen the voltage spikes responsible for creating this electrical noise, shunting the noise to power supply ground and away from the signal circuitry to avoid interference.
Thanks for watching! I'm always looking to improve my product reviews, so let me know what you thought of this review or if there's anything I should have covered! ✌
I bought a 3018 with 20x20 extrusions and 3D printed parts some years ago, and only did a few test cuts on it before deciding it needed lots of upgrades, so it just got abandoned. I've just bought a Genmitsu 3020 Pro Max v2 at more than 3 times the price, and that looks like it will be rigid and powerful enough to do some useful work, although I haven't cut anything on it yet. I'd have had to replace almost every part of the 3018 to get anywhere near the rigidity of the 3020, and it's got a far more powerful spindle motor. Bottom of the range 3D printers and laser engravers can produce great results because they have no physical contact with the workpiece, but there's a reason why CNC routers are expensive, and CNC milling machines are unaffordable for home use! I only have very limited expectations even for my 3020!
All great points, I totally agree! These are fun machines but like you said upgrading to make them practical is totally not worth it. I think the linear rails on the 3020 alone make a huge difference, not to mention the spindle upgrade. I hope to get my hands on one to test it out, but no luck yet. Thanks for the comment!
Any update on how your 3020 has performed?
It doesnt need upgrades, you just bought the wrong tool for your use case. Spend good money on one and you will get more use out of it. Buy one of these if you like to play.
To use the clamps more effectively:
1. Turn the screws around that are farthest from the workpiece. The flathead part can go on the plate instead o f the other end will cut into the plate.
2. The screws in the slots look correct.
3. Procedure: Put the clamp on the workpiece. Hold it with a finger so that it is flat on the workpiece. Adjust the flathead screw (the one that is furthest from the workpiece) so the clamp has a very slight angle towards the workpiece, like 2-3 degrees or so. Tighten the wingnut with desired amount holding pressure. This is how machinists use clamps to hold workpieces and is the most efficient way to hold a workpiece.
Always be sure your tool can clear the clamp screws and keep in mind the a G0XxxYxx will go in a diagonal line instead of one axis at a time. (been there done that!)
Recommend the next machine up please. We don't want to buy someting that is close to useless.
I bought the cheap 3018 cnc and it certainly has served its purpose of teaching me what is involved. Broke a lot of bits while attempting to learn. I turned out many great projects, including circuit boards, where the key is to go slow with very small depth increments if you are looking for quality cuts. I am certainly ready for an upgrade, but this entry level cnc is certainly worth it for someone new to the cnc world, especially if you lack confidence in your ability to learn everything involved.
You got my subscription with your cheeseburger conversion! So glad I saw that, made my day :D
Didn't know bakelite was still used for anything.
I bought a 3018 and after playing with it I decided it was only really suitable to etch / cut with a laser due to bowing of the gantry rails. I then bought a 3018 pro ultra which is completely aluminium and is very very sturdy so I'll just stick with that and sell on the original 3018 which can only be classed as a toy in my books. Next upgrade is a 290w fibre laser to cut metal, we'll see how that goes once I have the laser safety goggles and a fire extinguisher!
You should try the FR1 Pcb’s instead of FR4 pcb, the FR4 gives lot of stress for the spindle!
If you have a heavy duty spindle you can go for a FR4
Mine freeze as well, the solution I end up using was to 3d print a case for the pcb and install a 12v pc fan.
Oh interesting! Do you think it was overheating or did the case help to insulate from static feedback or something?
@@ModernHobbyist sorry for the late response. This is mostly related to temperature. I don't think that the plastic enclosure had any rf shielding effect, I used PLA.
What application do you use to cnc the router
@@mahranmawarid2678 I use candler
Lol! Thanks, I laughed so hard for so long lolol!.. I was just telling a coworker yesterday that an old man told me when he was a kid his brother used to yell down the measurements from the roof.. "Two hammer shafts and the red screwdriver"
Say I'm making a wood pen handle, would this machine be able to engrave symbols which I could then fill in with other material for an inlay?
Are there any similar mills that can be used to cut galvanized steel with even multiple shallow passes? I had a project where I needed to cut a galvanized metal tie/strap to fix part of my gutters and I couldn’t get as clean and straight of a cut that I wanted to using hand tools.
If you're thinking about upgrading the optical guides good luck - none of the stock hole placements lend themselves to a linear rail upgrade. you can however, mill g10 with this thing out of the box (800mm/s, 3.125mm single flute endmill, 1mm DOC) and make new x towers that give a little more flexibility in rail choices!
What software is available for this machine? There was no mention of any software to control it. Thanks. I was looking at this for engraving medals for competitions. Would it be suitable for this?
Perfect review mate, thank you. As someone looking to buy their first one, this was exactly what I needed to see.
Thank you for clear review. I have just bought this model and would be using it as a learning tool (I am novice in CNC programing). Would you be able to direct me to some guidance how to generate the input file coded instructions. as a first project I would like to use the machine to engrave various shapes in to the wooden plate. Thanks in advance
Thank you so much for this video. You saved me a lot of time, effort and money. Please, keep doing these videos, they are a ton of help!! Thanks!!!!!
I'm not sure why YT recommended me to this, but I had to comment. I saw the thumbnail and thought Jim Varney. Incredible. Good video too.
If you want less chatter, try gluing the peice down so there's no vibrating from the material. Also shorten the cutter overhang. I have a similar cnc and I can do .8mm doc with minimum chattering :)
Appreciate the info!
If you cut plastic or plexiglass squirt window cleaner or 409 on the bit as it cuts to prevent it gumming up. Messy but it gives good results.
I am new to CNCc and am wondering if a cheap CNC mill can be used as an automatic punching machine. i have a workpiece with dozens of precisely placed punch locations. Normally I use a sharpened needle to manually punch holes as its a sheet of soft material.
My questions are: 1) whether i can connect this sharp needle to the CNC and simply use it as a puncher instead of a drill. 2) my work area is about 4 inches square. The hole sizes are relatively small approx 1mm. Is there a way to manually tell the cnc every time i place a new workpiece what the rotation of my workpiece is. Or give it multiple reference points instead of just one (xy 00) so it knows what the rotation of workpiece is around the z axis. 3) I am not sure if the cnc can exert a certain force downward so the needle can punch hole all the way. if not, icould it be possible to connect an automatic spring loaded puncher so that the spindle just has to come down and the rest will happen by the impact of the spring.
Thank you.
Exactly what one would expect from an honest review. Good work. Unfortunately I'm yet to buy a Cheeseburger-capable measuring tape; over here it's just dem pesky centimeters and grams and something called centigrade and whatnot. Anyway, you have a new subscriber. Cheers!!
I have been thinking about getting a CNC to augment my Laser. Glad i found your channel.
Can it drill/cut PCBs? I am thinking of getting into PCB making and I need a cheap CNC machine to drill/cut etched ones. I am not concerned about the size since PCBs I'd be making will be small anyway.
What is the largest size wood it can cut
Thanks for the upload 👍🏻 I bought a Genmitsu 3018 in 2020, but used it sparingly for only a year or 2. I recently started using it again in hopes to overcome the difficulties I had in the past. Side note, my machine only came with a pack of those daggers. Unfortunately I can’t figure out setting proper tool paths with them in fusion. It fights me constantly and I end up giving in a just using a 1/16” bit, which isn’t helpful for some of the stuff I want to carve.
Good video, what CNC machine do you recommend for beginners?
So could this thing mill out the top part of the letter M
As a Toolmaker for 30+ years I think people have a tendency to opt for high spindle speeds and feeds as a default. Regardless of machining calculators, when using light machines or manual machines opt for low spindle speeds and lower feeds to begin with. Higher feed puts pressure on the cutting tips, cutter shank and in the case of weaker set ups the spindle internals and then the mount. High Spindle speeds will introduce heat and wear to the cutter, chips and material which is a continuous loops of heat source especially when airblast or coolant isn't present. I enjoyed the review and would be interested in purchasing one for mold car builds if 3d machining is an option on these machines. Keeping in mind I don't know much about the capacity for this machine to handle the memory requirements.
Thanks for the video, I'll take these off my list and keep looking or DIY it.
Had you thought about adding limit switches to auto home ? Maybe laser ? My biggest problem is homing and I currently have the laser on mine
I am a 100% disabled vet and do not make a ton of money and would like to buy a cnc. Do you know of any of that that are $500 to $1000? Thanks
I have a SainSmart 3018 that i got as a Gift last year (X-Mas 2024), and I DONT Love it...( I dont HATE it, but I Dont Love it..) It is Definitely a 'Starter' Machine. Parts are readily available, and they are relatively easy to use, with decent Tech Support. I do agree that a Larger Machine (4040) is the way to go if your trying to accomplish "NICE" things...
I just purchased a 3018 yesterday ( slow boat shipping ) and i wanted it for cutting clear acrylic and tin and wood dog tags .
Does this work for decorating clear acrylic too?
Were you able to cut acrylic? Would you recommend this cnc for small work?
@@ShaddronFeke using single-flute cutter works fine
Try WD-40 on machine parts and cutters and plastic machining, use a small brush or a hand scwert bottle and adjust your speeds and feeds. Use a two or three flut end mill and try to reduce tooling flex by using the stubby-est milling bit you can find or make (using carbide is best, no tooling flex). Hope this helps !
so what is the next class of cnc machine. this one is really entry level... without going to the carvera , is there something worth trying between ?
I was hoping to hear this as well.
The Genmitsu 4040 Pro seems to have good reviews for the most part, the next step up being the 4040 Pro Max.
Great for learning and I cut circuit boards on mine that go in my permanent projects. I practiced a lot with pressboard knowing I could send my files to a machine shop for metal cutting. I would buy a 4’x8’ sheet at Lowe’s, have them cut it to the bed size, then glue layers to make a blank. I now only use it to cut circuit boards. You can do a lot with them. My favorite thing is drilling holes in circuit boards. No way I could drill 50 holes by hand and have all my components line up. I cut the traces with cheap v bits from Amazon. Save money and only use cheap bits. These things will glitch and break the bit off every now and then. I broke a $30 bit the first week. I am using a 3d printer now for most things not circuit boards, but I would not own a $150 3d printer.
Good video I know nothing about CNC's but saw this model at Home Depot for $120 so I thought why not. I watched two other videos that pretty much gave the same review as you so I'm gonna go ahead and try it out.
Do you think the Genmitsu CNC 3018-PRO Router Kit is a better purchase?
You are not using your clamps properly. The way you are clamping is putting more pressure on the backside of the clamp rather than on the part. You should have a slight slant pointed down towards your part.
Really good video. Enjoyed the humor and timing. Will watch some more.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was thinking about starting out with one of these, but that flex when you apply a little force to the z-axis rules this one out! Guess I'm gonna go with something just a little bit more upscale...
Thank you sir for translating the measurements to American. I was able to clearly imagine it on the table infront of me.
Dare I ask, how does it do with steel/aluminum? At a minimum and based on your experience with copper, I'm assuming you'd need to ground the piece. But with the right bits, would it engrave/cut on this machine?
I wonder how good this thing would be for small precise cutting? Like making small custom pins
You will get collision errors if you connect both. Its because they arent using a router for the bosrd, they are just hard wiring it.
You have to be conservative with your feeds, speeds and depth of cut with a machine like this. It takes some experimenting to arrive at the best settings for various materials. But, other than that…a machine like this is a great choice for one off or non-production items.
Can you manufacturer glock barrels
I'm hanging out to get into CNC machining, but don't want the kinds of headaches a budget contender like this brings. How much would I need to spend to get into high quality, headache-free territory for smaller projects (about the size of this one, or larger, would suffice)?
I think your Video and Review/Comments Appear to be honest and Trustworthy I liked your Findings and Reccomendations IMO. It’s still hard for me to digest at 60 years of Age that today for $149.00 give or take we can get something with this machines Ability and Technology shipped to you and with minor tweaking and some time for Assembly. You can have it up and Working in a somewhat Reasonable time frame Although it has its flaws and Linitations IMO it’s appears to be a decent deal I’m a retired Professional Woodworker by Trade having this machine Appears to be a Asset in my Shop/Home to have Around for certain projects
I love that perspective! It’s easy to take for granted the access we have to tools like this! I still find myself speechless sometimes when I watch my 3D printers going! Thanks for the comment!
Quick question! Do you think this would be able to engrave designs into 22 gauge aluminum?
I am model builder . I'm looking for a CNC machine to cut styrene plastic sheets. what CNC Would you recomend?
can this engrave M8 X 24 X 2 mm 304 stainless steel washer?
nice review! i was just looking at a vevor 3018 for $208aud delivered , so about $140usd. i want to only use it for circuit board prototype making, i am pretty sure grounding and spike suppresion will help with cpu lock ups. a ball bearing 12v fan cant hurt as someone else mentioned. do you think as a one purpose machine, the circuit board making , it is worth it? thanks
whats your best settings for the engraver bit on plastic and aluminum? cheers
Swap out the rods with Thompson Rod, this stuff is crazy strong.
I would like this machine for cutting vinyl records for crafts.
Would you suggest this and what bits would you suggest for vinyl
Thanks
After watching, You may have gotten the static shock from the vacuum! I have destroyed several electronics due to the static buildup in the plastic end of a vacuum hose.
I agree, I think this is what happened. I’m not sure if there’s a good way to ground the hose though 🤔
@@ModernHobbyist Im honestly suprised there isn't more of a warning on vacuums, half of them don't even have a ground prong to discharge the static. Do you still use this setup or have you moved to something bigger and better? I was curious about these little cnc machines for post processing on 3d printed parts and epoxy parts.
@@KooshiesElectronicsI don’t have this same machine anymore, but I do have an upgraded version I could mess around with to see if I can prevent my shop vac from shocking it. The upgraded ones seem a lot sturdier for not a lot more money
@ I imagine a screw into the plastic hose, Closest to the end with a wire going to ground should discharge, But i am ignorant to how electricity and static work with plastic.
Rad…Real review…Not a Commercial nor a bash fest…
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What type of tolerances do you think you could hit with this?
Do you recommend this machine to engrave kydex sheets?
What is the next model up from that one ?
Can you review the McSweety 4030Pro w/500W spindle please
what bits would you recommend to engrave the pcb?
nice video!
Would it be able to drill a hole pattern in 1mm mild steel? Just vertical holes with the only use of CNC functionality to get them all in precise locations without manual work.
I’m not sure but I don’t have much faith that it would be able to get through any steel 🤔
would this work as a drawing machine?
What program you use to edit the gcodes l get a mini cnc from vevor too but l cant use because l dont have any idea about g codes and programs my cnc its a mini cnc router machine s4040
CNC virgin here if I buy this will I be able to make my own graphite molds for silver? And what program do I use . Please give me the 411
One is available semi locally to me for $100.
I'm currently in the process of sourcing parts for an openbuilds ox or workbench.
Would it be worth it to pickup the 3018 to learn on while I build the bigger machine?
Thanks for the review dude, I was just about to hit the button to order one of these and I think I will give it a miss. I think the frustration isn't worth the price point. Cheers!
I know it’s been a while since you posted this video but would you think this machine would work to custom engrave cattle ear tags? Most people use a handheld dremel tool but i’m very much a perfectionist and wondered if this would work in the material of an ear tag. They’re plastic/ rubber material!
Use it to mill a 3rd rail addon for the gantry.
Hello,
can someone who knows about this tell me what part I need?
On the control board on my Vevor 3018 I accidentaly damaged the PC - USB connector, and I need to change it, but I cant identifiate the correct component. It will be possible to buy, or can I buy new control board? Thank you
It's engraving on Stainless?
I was looking at this mini CNC and as you mentioned, the listing made it sound like this setup was made of a combination of Aluminum plate covered in Bakalite. At least that is what I thought. I was also concerned about the setup and how difficult it might be. I'm not computer savvy like the younger generation, so this is a concern no matter where I get it from. Thank you for your honest review. I specifically looked at this model because they offer the machine with an extruded aluminum and plexiglass enclosure for an extra $75. The I realized that it would be cheaper to make my own enclosure. I think I'm going to pass on this model and look at a larger model made from stronger material, and a better rated one. Thank you!
Thanks for the comment! Glad you found the review helpful!
Used to work with phone equipment... proper Grounding solved so many "Real Life" problems where "it was working, and just stopped".
Would this work on aluminium?
is there anything like the bambu labs of cnc to buy? where it just works without major issues? have a p1p and a1 and would love to experiment with some cnc without a ton of fuss
Only for 1 material per machine. Theres professional machines of course but really expensive.
Like a pcb engraver. Or a wood cutter.
Or that some thingy made for making ar lowers.
Theres not really going around of having to know a bit of what you're doing if you're not doing just 1 workflow of like said something like cutting a pcb or an engraving
If I got some better bits, you think this would be able to cut graphite for gold moulds? I only really need 2 different pieces cut so if it breaks or isn't exact, not a big deal at this price point
I’m not sure to be honest! I’ve never machined graphite before but I do think the right bit improves the quality of this machine. But if you have a little bit more budget swing for a better machine
I have this machine but from one of the other manufacturers (SainSmart, I think), and I got it to cut carbon fiber, although I have yet to set it up and try it. Given your experience, do you think it is possible to cut parts from carbon fiber? When I ordered it, I also ordered additional end mills as I wasn't sure what it came with. You've inspired me to stop being lazy and build my machine tonight, so thanks for that as well as the super week done video review. Your points were clear and concise as well as entertaining. I'm subscribed now and look forward to more content from you.
P.S. for some reason, I feel the sudden desire to go get some cheeseburgers. As the old saying goes, measure twice, eat once... or is it order twice cut once?
Would you know what resolution this can get? Interested to know how low the Z travel can get, eg smallest travel is 0.1mm
From what I saw, it said .003" resolution. So not a whole lot better than .1mm in the end 🤷🏻♂️
can you import dwg files from autocad?
Good toknow, since I'm currently in the marketfor something like that for aluminium, brass and occasionally aluminium.
Its a gcode error happens alot with cura 3d printing :)
This video helped a lot ehat software do you use to run it
8:07 you are right. Even an electric firelighter will cause this to happen if you click it within 15cm (2.5 cheeseburgers) away from it.
Thank you for converting it to REAL units for me! 🤣
You really should have tested 3d relief carving on this machine.
this is really interesting.
I want to get a 3D printer at some point, does anyone know of a CNC that's kind of designed to do both around a 300-400 USD price range?
It'd be awesome if there was something I can get as a 3D printer and later be able to swap the tool head to do some milling on wood or plastic.
You could check out Snapmakers, though my experience has been that 3d printers aren't particularly well suited for CNC routing since they're not designed to be rigid.
@@ModernHobbyist Oh shit! Thanks! it's always cool when the guy making the video responds to you!
I was actually thinking about it the other way around. Like some cheap CNC router like this one that can sort of easily be fitted with a 3D printer head without too much fuss or requiring me to fabricate something since I don't have either atm I wanna get into it at some point.
That snapmaker is way out of the budget I was aiming for.
I guess I'll have to stick with 3D printer get a separate machine later specifically for CNC milling.
Is there a machine like this that can work on slate?
Precision is the key. Get what you pay for.
imho, the 3018 with a laser attached is the best machine for norton white tiles.
End mills have 3 or more flutes and are for end facing hence the name, you can't feed down with them.slot mills have 2 flutes and are designed to feed down into the material,
replace the word "can't" with "shouldn't" and I totally agree.
Thanks for a review of the CNC 3018 if I was to upgrade it what should i go for
I have heard great things about the 3020 pro as a desktop machine but you could also get a larger format one. I don’t have a recommendation for you there yet, but hopefully soon!
Good news you just baught a tiny mill, get some settings that work and make some better parts for the machine.
Hmmmm,
I don't know exactly what I would use one for off the top of my head other than for creating circuit boards. Lately I just buy copper clad boards, draw the circuit on the board in ink, use a special bit chucked in to my drill press for routing out circles in the copper & then clean off the ink with alcohol followed by hope for the best when I attempt to build the darn circuit.
Years ago before I went to the university to study, seemingly forever, pure mathematics I spent four years as a structural & misc iron draftsperson or detailer. CAD was only just in its infancy when I ended my drafting experience & I never bothered to become familiar with the software. So, were I desiring to give the machine a go for perhaps making wood pillow bearings or some other small part having tight tolerances I would not know which software to use nor exactly how to translate it to what a CNC machine apparently needs aka a Gerber file.
My dilemma is, do I think such a machine would offer opportunities that were worth the effort to learn new tricks, especially when at 69 I've had a lifetime of learning tricks including nearly 15 years spent learning many a persons least favorite subject.
If it would help scratch build RC sailplanes that very well might give me the impetus to buy a similar machine. Any other cool projects it could be useful for I'd like to hear about.
Do you accept payment for negative reviews?