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  • @RetroRecipes
    @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    🗨️ _Start a conversation not a fire. This happy corner of the world was born from childhood nostalgia. Comment with kindness. Thank you :-)_
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    ❓FAQ:
    1. "This isn't about computers it's about A.I., or it's only a test of speed, etc." I explain this at 4:23. You gotta watch the video before commenting on the video ;-)
    2. I realize 10^123 is more than double the atoms in the universe. I was trying to say the power of figure is double but it came out badly 🤦‍♂️FML
    3. When we said that move was dated what we saw on our smaller CRT TV was the King going in for a cuddle then bludgeoning the Queen to death. Showing "domestic violence" as a "joke" in video games doesn't happen today and is what we thought was "dated". BUT, what we didn't see at the time was her pulling a knife. Bad Queen! So it was actually self defense!
    - What's your theory on the final result? Low Mac Elo? Fluke? Peri's law? ;-) Comment below!

    • @mrdaxtercrane
      @mrdaxtercrane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      You do realise the update for chess on the Mac was optional? Nonetheless, for speech dictation in chess, it's 1.2GB?!?
      WHAT?!?

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mrdaxtercrane Yeah I realized afterwards. Still, there's something nice about not being offered updates. Though I see the value of them too. Different worlds...

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Retro Recipes, ELO score changes over the years. Amiga's playing at ELO 1600 from 1987, for example, is about 1300-1450 in today's (the year 2020) ELO score. The ELO score increases in time. Some say that top chess players from the mid-1980s - Karpov, Kasparov, Garatolij Karparov :-) & others - for the same level of playing would be rated at a lower ELO today (say 2600 instead of 2850 from mid-1980s). World champs from 1920-30s, imagine this, would be at a level of a FIDE master or international-master (IM) today (ELO 2300-2400), which is below today's Grandmasters (GM) level! They could not even compete for the world's champion title! In your test, you should lower the ELO rating on a 2020 Mac to 1400, to "roughly" match Amiga's ELO 1600 from 1987. Chessmaster 2000 play was a fair match because ELO was somewhat adjusted; Chessmaster's ELO 2000 matches modern ELO 1850. Sargon should definitely be readjusted because HiArcs is a modern beast.
      Perhaps you can do another video with adjusted ELO scores, at least for Mac Chess vs Amiga? It would be interesting to see. (I don't have Amiga anymore so I can't try).

    • @thecaptain2281
      @thecaptain2281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I actually have to agree with "Peri's Law". There are masterful strategies being used these days, but the way Chess is played changes as time goes on. In 10 or 20 years, programs have been changed and "think" in different ways than they used to. Older Chess programs ran on computers that had much tighter limits so the programs code had to be very lean & clean in order to be playable. Today's code and coding methods are much less lean by comparison. Some are even down-right sloppy. I'm actually surprised the C64 didn't win the match.

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@thecaptain2281 That could be said for some programs, but not for HiArcs, Stockfish, Leela or their sorts; such modern algorithms (some are open source) take into account an insane number of things. In the test by Retro Recipes, Chessmaster on Amiga could score against 3D on Mac because the ELO score on a Mac program was somewhat lower, which matches the Amiga program's ELO from 20 years ago. At what level of computer chess we have come today, check the description for AlphaZero and what it runs on; it taught ITSELF to play chess at a superhuman level in less than 4 hours, WITHOUT any reference to historic games, books for openings or endings, etc. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero

  • @AMindInOverdrive
    @AMindInOverdrive 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    One of my favourite comedy one liners, is from Tim Vine: "I had dinner with chess champion Gary Casparov the other night. We had a checkered tablecloth and it took him 2hours to pass the salt"

  • @RCTPatriot75
    @RCTPatriot75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1708

    Difference between an 80's Amiga and a Mac? In 10 years the Commodore will still be working.

    • @Champsvisions3d
      @Champsvisions3d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      so so true. it was build well.

    • @MrDutchino
      @MrDutchino 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have to try mine.

    • @RobertBullock
      @RobertBullock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      And you can repair it.

    • @ChannelReuploads9451
      @ChannelReuploads9451 4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Commodore never tried their hardest to block your right to repair.

    • @6581punk
      @6581punk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They probably let Jonny Ive go as he was trying to make the keyboard get thinner to the point of vanishing completely. The keyboard area would then become a touch screen and your Macbook Pro would become a giant Nintendo DS.

  • @ashscott6068
    @ashscott6068 4 ปีที่แล้ว +379

    If you match ELO ratings, all you're doing is discovering which engine has the most conservative ELO replication. Just set everything on the most badass settings!

    • @berry120
      @berry120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      This was my thought as well - you're not really testing much by setting the ELOs the same. A much better test would be to whack them all up to maximum and try again (possibly emulating the Amiga on far faster hardware to mitigate the time issue.)

    • @berry120
      @berry120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @Don hence my comment on emulation.

    • @SiisKolkytEuroo
      @SiisKolkytEuroo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @Don you could give them the same amount of time to think about the turn. For example, each machine could have one hour per turn

    • @bijelodugme5935
      @bijelodugme5935 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      exactly! they don't test Amiga's and Mac's AI (BTW both have exactly none) but precision of ELO settings in chess applications.

    • @jsrodman
      @jsrodman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@bijelodugme5935 re AI, many people would consider computer chess an AI challenge. As time goes on, however, techniques developed in AI research become commonplace in computer science. So "AI" becomes only the frontier. Is deep learning AI? give a few years and people probably won't think of it that way anymore.

  • @PhoenixNL72-DEGA-
    @PhoenixNL72-DEGA- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    @7:45 "Sneezes"
    Feb 2020 response: "Bless you"
    April 2020 Response: "Diving away for cover"

  • @olivertv6175
    @olivertv6175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    I remember playing Battle Chess only for the combat animations back in the day XD

    • @larsmuldjord9907
      @larsmuldjord9907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Me too. I wasn't really interested in playing chess at all, I just wanted to see all of the different combinations of fighting. :D

    • @RetroMMA
      @RetroMMA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      After awhile I just played it straight 2d for the speed. I mean, you can only watch the same slow animations so many times :D

    • @ClayMann
      @ClayMann 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      same but what really shocked me was how quickly I got sick to death of the 3D when I thought that was the most amazing idea ever initially. I have shunned all attempts at clever 3D views of chess ever since. You just can't beat that simple 2D view.

    • @fofgofx
      @fofgofx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh wow, same

    • @Dunkelelf3
      @Dunkelelf3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i learned the chess rules from this game when i was 5 or so.

  • @circle2620
    @circle2620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    Amiga is still an amazing computer decades later.

    • @jakubdzik6861
      @jakubdzik6861 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Amiga Rules! ;)

    • @raffaeleirlanda6966
      @raffaeleirlanda6966 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jakub Dzik Amiga Rulezzz!!! 👈😀😎😘

    • @erdincgc2
      @erdincgc2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amiga Forever !

    • @giffyfaces
      @giffyfaces 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sold mine for mega money then I installed amiga emulator on my pc and never looked back

  • @Hellwyck
    @Hellwyck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    In Battle Chess, if you have a knight vs. knight it replays the fight scene in Monty Python & The Holy Grail.

    • @chickenman297
      @chickenman297 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes. I was disappointed this wasn't shown

    • @eric_d
      @eric_d 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was waiting to see that too. lol

  • @victoryoneable
    @victoryoneable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    If I recall correctly, the IBM computer programmers were permitted to use abnormal rules and the computer itself 'broke down' on two occasions for a number of hours. Kasparov's complaint came when he realised he'd been set up. It's rather suspicious that the computer was disassembled, when one would expect it to be maintained as an historic artifact as normally happens when an object marks a particular point in technological development.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The computer was huge and expensive, they could probably use it for other things.
      Then again IBM had deep (pun intended) pockets so they could have kept it.

  • @starcrashr
    @starcrashr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You should do a bracket style tournament between dozens of chess AIs spanning 4 decades. I'd watch the hell out of that.

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Neat idea! What chess AIs would you like to see?

    • @starcrashr
      @starcrashr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RetroRecipes Oh, wow... I actually didn't expect to be asked for the specifics. I don't know of that many offhand. Now that I think about it, dozens might get monotonous after a while, so maybe just pick the best selling or best rated chess game from each console. I realize there might not actually be any chess games on the more recent consoles because everyone just wants FPS in those.

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@starcrashr The only problem with this is pitting two similar machine's programs against each other is fine, but invariably as I move up say from 8 to 16 bit, the more powerful will I think usually win. So the final winner will likely still be the modern machine.
      However I could just go through all 16 bit programs on the Amiga vs Atari ST for example.

    • @starcrashr
      @starcrashr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RetroRecipes The point of this idea is to determine how true that is. After all, this video shows a MacBook tying with an Amiga. There's a solid chance that an older algorithm could get lucky, or that a newer algorithm was sloppily/lazily programmed. I'm sure you can agree with me that as the saying goes, "they don't make them like they used to." Sometimes newer games may focus on looking pretty and neglect the backend.

  • @chicoarraes
    @chicoarraes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The thing is that difficulty levels started to mirror user skills instead of processing power spent in calculations.. So easy to medium levels on modern games were "stupid on purpose"

  • @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv
    @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Gary got annoyed with the way the IBM team was running Deep Blue. They did not tell Gary that they were changing the program after each game. Gary expected to learn its behavior over time and it kept changing.
    I think Gary had a reasonable complaint as he was NOT competing against set a machine.
    Ethelred Hardrede

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hmm... So, our timeline is a little skewed. Computers can beat the best humans at Chess, but maybe not back in 1994. Well, now with machine learning, computers are getting worryingly good at superseding humans at many tasks.

    • @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv
      @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@manictiger
      "but maybe not back in 1994."
      No BUT, Deep Blue beat Gary in 1997. Then IBM disassembled Deep Blue. It was not modern deep learning. It was human programming on a special built computer.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov
      I remember the rematch not the first set. Probably because Gary won the first but lost the rematch.
      Ethelred Hardrede

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv Deepmind's AlphaZero absolutely crushed the modern chess engine Stockfish and won 839 games out of 1000. www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match. I agree, Deep Blue is nothing.

    • @Bennevisie
      @Bennevisie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Top comment

    • @HerecomestheCalavera
      @HerecomestheCalavera 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The fact that IBM refused a rematch says it all.

  • @WaterShowsProd
    @WaterShowsProd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +368

    Young adults seeing Battle Chess in 2020: "Hey, that's like in Harry Potter!"
    Adults watching Harry Potter in 2001: "Hey, that's like Battle Chess!"
    Teenagers seeing Battle Chess in The 1980s: "Hey, that's like the chess board from The Millennium Falcon!
    Adults seeing Battle Chess in The 1980s: "Hey, that's not like the 3-D chess Kirk and Spock used to play!"

    • @SgtRayman
      @SgtRayman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i am "young" adult (25yo) and I played Battle Chess like 10-15 years ago with my friend on elementary school, so i wasn't surprised or compering it to Harry Potter (wich i watched many times) ...but i think you are on point anyway :)

    • @stephenwgreen78
      @stephenwgreen78 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's good stuff 👍

    • @silkwesir1444
      @silkwesir1444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SgtRayman you had an older sibling who took care to introduce you to the good stuff?

    • @casperes0912
      @casperes0912 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stephen Thomas I don’t get this. I’ve watched all the Kirk Star Trek films and seen all the OG TV series, and I don’t remember them playing chess, perhaps a single time, but not more than that. I thought it was something that only really happened in TNG

    • @WaterShowsProd
      @WaterShowsProd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Casper S� I can’t recall how often they played 3-Dimensional Chess, but it was iconic enough that you could buy the chess boards, promoted as being played in Star Trek, years before The Next Generation was even imaginably possible. Here’s one still of them playing. vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/d/df/Spock_McCoy_3D_chess.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171206025141&path-prefix=en

  • @paulmorphy6187
    @paulmorphy6187 4 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    The 1st game had a really unusual opening never ever seen in modern professional chess these days called 'The Albin counter gambit'. I noticed the Mac actually initiated this opening not the amiga program...this opening was popular in the 19th century, the age of romanticism.
    The 2nd game the mac played an opening called 'The modern' which is g6 after e4, an opening that is still popular today. It is called the modern because black intends to allow white to build a large pawn centre than attack it from the wings...hence g6 fianchettoing the bishop...this strategy is known as 'hypermodern' play and emerged in the 1920's or so.
    The 3rd game Sargon plays 'Birds opening' again a rare opening these days in the top flight....the most exciting answer to f4 is the reply e5 (the From gambit) which can lead to extremely wild play, but these days d5 is played usually by the top players.

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Very interesting, thank you chesxpert!

    • @JesusisJesus
      @JesusisJesus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Oddly enough, i almost beat the chess guru teacher at chess club in high school by using what I now to be The Albin Gambit, and at the end he told me that I made 1 mistake otherwise I would've played a perfect game and had him in checkmate. So I performed the Far Q Maneuver and left the room for a cigarette.

    • @meestachip
      @meestachip 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JesusisJesus far Q, much more popular (and further away) than the near queue.

    • @VanisherXP
      @VanisherXP 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JesusisJesus Wait what? You were allowed smoke in high school?

    • @Alexander_l322
      @Alexander_l322 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@VanisherXP outside obviously

  • @ClellBiggs
    @ClellBiggs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The Amiga was serious when it said it was the chessmaster.

  • @Eagles_Eye
    @Eagles_Eye 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    the doggo is like "stop talking to invisible people, im right here.. infront of your face... hello?"

  • @lokkarggg
    @lokkarggg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Dog: Oh man hes staring and talking to thin air. hes losing it.
    dog: are you ok? im right here

  • @KowboyUSA
    @KowboyUSA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +268

    What I learned from this video: You both have the same haircut

    • @frodeli
      @frodeli 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      It was two-for-one day.

    • @WR3ND
      @WR3ND 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I too tried for the content, but couldn't make it through him talking.

    • @310smoker
      @310smoker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      lol they are not twins ?

    • @Sonex1542
      @Sonex1542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      When your woman looks like you in the mirror. Sexual ambiguity all around.

    • @michaelgjoyce
      @michaelgjoyce 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Alex F hah, same haircut. But a stunningly beautiful woman.

  • @storerestore
    @storerestore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    Mac: I can speak
    Amiga: H O L D M Y B E E E R

    • @romaneberle
      @romaneberle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      HAWLD MAEE BEERH

    • @Champsvisions3d
      @Champsvisions3d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      hahaha i could hear the voice in my head hahaha

    • @RetroMMA
      @RetroMMA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      But to listen, it requires a 1.2gig DL. At least the Amiga doesn't even pretend to... heh

    • @pault151
      @pault151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@romaneberle When I got my A1000, I read up on the speech program, and then called my programmer buddy who was thrashing on his C64. When he answered, I held the phone by the monitor speaker, pressed Enter, and it said, "Hello Cliff, this izz paulz niew ameega compyooter" (I worked on the spelling to get it to sound a little better, not sure if that is exactly what I had typed). He paused a second, then replied, "OOOHHHHH mYYYYYYY!" and in a month had his own Amiga. >:-}

    • @daveisnothere
      @daveisnothere 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@pault151 When I had my Amiga say the alphabet... "ab-kadef-gijek-minop quistuvitzes" I can still hear it reciting that years later.

  • @williamsteele
    @williamsteele 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Your dog has perfect comedic timing!

    • @kingranger9515
      @kingranger9515 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He made it appear as such...could be anything he would still find the right words to say at that moment.

  • @Martyballin
    @Martyballin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think this is your best video. Ties together so many wonderful nostalgic/nerd threads, and with very high production value. A masterpiece!

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️♟🙏

  • @OfflineSetup
    @OfflineSetup 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Techmoan and RR notification. Today is off to a good start!

  • @ThePolaranmessage
    @ThePolaranmessage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Her reaction when the king loses his clothes 😂😂

  • @jeffreyphipps1507
    @jeffreyphipps1507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think the most entertaining part was watching Lady Fractic's responses to the Battle Chess conflicts - and to Peri's remark to the Mac's piece being naked because you could "see his wood". As for the reason one would win over the other, I would assume that even two chess masters would face choices that might seem like a good plan, yet not work out in the end.

  • @johndude70
    @johndude70 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The 80's was a very special time where sci-fi technology started to become realilty for the masses with these early home computers, inspiring so many young minds, so its no wonder the machines of this golden era have a special place in our hearts. Nice nostalgic vibes Retro Recipes !

  • @tcollogan
    @tcollogan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    TH-cam rabbit hole brought me here the gud doggo in the intro made me stay

  • @jorymil
    @jorymil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The Chessmaster 2000 was actually pretty good chess software, and even holds up today if you're just looking to learn the game or practice your various checkmate scenarios. It was kind of humorous watching it grab an extra queen to defeat RealChess 3D: as Black, a human player would've resigned well before that point.
    I think the conclusion that _can_ be drawn here is that although chess programs at their highest level can play very well (I'd love to have an ELO rating of 2000), the ways in which they handicap themselves are often surprising. And it was cool to see the Albin Counter-Gambit being pulled out--I lost a tournament game against it once and still have nightmares about it....

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Deepmind's AlphaZero absolutely crushed the ultra modern chess engine Stockfish 8 and won 839 games out of 1000. www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match. Chessmaster 2000 is literally nothing compared to modern AI powererd systems such as AlphaZero.

  • @brianh02
    @brianh02 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I found it funny that the results ended in a draw like teaching Joshua tic-tac-toe. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play"

  • @yapdog
    @yapdog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wow. I still have my Amiga stuffed away in storage. This takes me back to when I had to fight to create an Amiga media lab amid a bunch of PC/Mac nerds. Fortunately, I won, and created some animations for industrial design that I never could've completed otherwise backinnaday. Thanx for the nostalgia! _(oh, your friend is ridiculously beautiful!)_

  • @mikepitt242
    @mikepitt242 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Back in the day, myself and a friend pitted "Speech Chess" on the ZX Spectrum against "White Knight Mk II" on the BBC Micro. The Spectrum game used sampled speech. Only two games were played and the Spectrum won the first round, and the Beeb was the victor for the rematch. Speech Chess responded to its defeat by saying " Check - well I never! - Mate" .

  • @tomservo5007
    @tomservo5007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    it all has to do with the chess engine used , not so much the computer hardware. (of course hardware will dictate what engines you can run). The video alluded to that fact, but the title specifically mentions hardware vs hardware.

    • @tip0019
      @tip0019 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, it was a rubbish comparison.

    • @stevecurtis1088
      @stevecurtis1088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tip0019 rubbish comparison. Rubbish video. Nothing to see here. Except her

    • @StagnantExistance
      @StagnantExistance 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Based on the video title, I expected to see the same chess engine being run on two different computers. This intrigued me, because I wanted to see how they would solve this. Well, they did not.

  • @SprocketWatchclock
    @SprocketWatchclock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best test would be to set the highest difficulty rating possible on both machines and compare those. Everything else is more a test of how good they think a human player at whatever difficulty rating would be.

  • @SquirrelMonkeyCom
    @SquirrelMonkeyCom 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great channel!

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the visit

    • @SquirrelMonkeyCom
      @SquirrelMonkeyCom 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RetroRecipes I visited your channel and subscribed in the first minute. :) Hope you'll reach the silver status soon! :)

  • @j-m-reed
    @j-m-reed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I lost it at the Puppy Fractic bit! 🤣

  • @EvertvanIngen
    @EvertvanIngen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Now I know on who she reminds me of.
    "Are you a god?"
    "No?"
    "Then...DIE!""
    ―Gozer the Gozerian talking to Ray Stantz

    • @7eventhLevel
      @7eventhLevel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Ray when someone asks you if youre a god you say YES!"

    • @EvertvanIngen
      @EvertvanIngen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@7eventhLevel Muahaha Yes!

  • @friedpicklezzz
    @friedpicklezzz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    LadyFrantic was thinking throughout the video: “I rather play a first person shooter!”

  • @TheSulross
    @TheSulross 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So the folk story of John Henry has now come down to this - can the old machines still go toe-to-toe with modernity

  • @geordiebatt
    @geordiebatt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "good game, good game" "didn't they do well?"

    • @mick2d2
      @mick2d2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Classic Bruce! 8)

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😉

    • @paulyh4531
      @paulyh4531 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nice to see them, to see them nice 👍

    • @AK-nb6hz
      @AK-nb6hz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Aw this tickled me.. I recently worked in the London Palladium where his ashes were spread. There’s a plaque up there in his memory. What a man..

    • @Hellwyck
      @Hellwyck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It'll be a good night if you play your chess right!

  • @captainarcain
    @captainarcain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My friend and I did a similar test back in the day where we hooked an Amiga 500 and an Atari 520 STfm up via serial ports and had them play Battle Chess head to head. It's not a comprehensive test, by any means, but 2 out of 3 games, the Atari won. The Atari does have a very slight speed advantage over the Amiga, CPU-wise, but I don't think there's any difference in the AI between versions. More games would have to be run. Maybe 100 to be sure. Alas, I don't have either of those machines anymore... But maybe if I emulate them...? Now there's an idea.

  • @ChrisVanMiddelkoop
    @ChrisVanMiddelkoop 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Battle chess was dope. I think the main thing about the different programs is just the difficulties might not quite match up exactly. I am only rated at 800 so I am not all that good but I am learning and this was fun to watch.

  • @Jafin16
    @Jafin16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well in all reality the reason why they tied in the end is because they were all set to to combat at the same elo. Processing power has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game except to process potential moves faster.

  • @stephenhargreaves9011
    @stephenhargreaves9011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The first Amiga win is a set piece, a classic checkmate (the "Scholar's Mate"). If the Mac isn't aware of it, then it won't make the first defence. It could be validation of Peri's law.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      While the moves as a whole might be known, the computers are only evaluating the possible moves three or four moves hence and chosing (and here is a thought, is that choice actually random, rather than optimal?) , if a end is five moves hence it could be missed on the first reply move.

    • @stephenhargreaves9011
      @stephenhargreaves9011 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@highpath4776 back in the day i wrote AmigaDraughts (still available on aminet) which would look up to 9 moves ahead. Unfortuantely, there wasn't an Amiga fast enough to play at that level.

  • @SamichHunter
    @SamichHunter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice memories from my youth. Battle Chess was awesome back in the day. Thank you AGAIN for a wonderfully entertaining video. We SO appreciate all the long grueling hours it must have taken to film this. Week after week you earn my subscription.
    JT

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does that mean you unsubscribe every Wednesday? 😉
      Seriously though thank you. This was about 3 hours filming and 3 days editing. But such good fun!

    • @SamichHunter
      @SamichHunter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well ... not EVERY Wednesday! LOL

  • @RSProduxx
    @RSProduxx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    would have loved to see HER reaction if a Tower had eaten a queen... that was probably the funniest move in BattleChess ;)

  • @HeliosFish
    @HeliosFish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’d completely forgotten how good battle chess looked. Ah the memories

  • @Chriva
    @Chriva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    King vs queen was hilarious.

    • @o00nemesis00o
      @o00nemesis00o 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "Dated" = "does not fit my puritanical sensibilities"

    • @Chriva
      @Chriva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@o00nemesis00o Each to their own but I personally would never get along with someone that sensitive :) They'd hate me in 3 seconds lol

    • @Jangocat
      @Jangocat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ya her woke reaction was hilarious, that was comedy gold lighten up lol

  • @numbers9to0
    @numbers9to0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm too simple for chess. So I watched for LF and the Battle Chess animations.

  • @jorenheit
    @jorenheit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    "10^123 moves (...) is nearly twice the number of atoms in the universe"
    That's not how powers work! It's much much more...

  • @theyMuhannad
    @theyMuhannad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the dog is driving me crazy, how did he manage to be that cute and awesome

  • @sc0ttschannel
    @sc0ttschannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    you need to pit chess master against the two mac apps to find out if it is in fact the chess master.

  • @Rockythefishman
    @Rockythefishman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Amiga is the best even after all these years. Long live the Amiga

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is kinda like when people make two chat bits talk to each other but more nerdy

  • @toyotaboyhatman
    @toyotaboyhatman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    She looks like someone that would be introducing Newtek hardware for the amiga ironically

  • @MrRaivokasMagma
    @MrRaivokasMagma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Chessmaster 2000 lives up to it's name. He is just modest, otherwise he would dominate the chess scene.

    • @BixenteFabregas
      @BixenteFabregas 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Against Komodo, Fritz, Houdini or Rybka, to cite only popular chess engines, he'll never win a 10 games match. But yes, chessmaster is great.

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BixenteFabregas Deepmind's AlphaZero absolutely crushed the modern chess engine Stockfish and won 839 games out of 1000. www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match.

  • @Hubris2
    @Hubris2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I wonder how much this is testing the computer's capability via processing power versus the software's accuracy in estimating the Elo rating. If either version of the chess game was actually playing at a higher level than stated, it is more likely to win...based solely on whether the developers were accurate in their assessments. Would it not be a more traditional 'can an Amiga beat a Mac' contest by having both machines operate at max level regardless of time....or to impose a time limit and require the best response available within the limit?

    • @Jangocat
      @Jangocat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking the same thing, it's more of a software test. The only difference in the computers is speed of calculations.

    • @RafeSacks
      @RafeSacks 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was also thinking along these lines. If you do not limit the time the computer can take then speed doesn't matter. The computational quality should be the same, just slower (possible short-cuts/compression aside). If you could get the same software on both computers then you would be testing for these outliers because the algorithms being run by both computers would then be the same. You'd then have to run 1000s (millions?) of games to remove game-based variance as well.

    • @jeffgreen3376
      @jeffgreen3376 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. Setting them both on 2200 rating doesn't prove anything.

  • @JustWasted3HoursHere
    @JustWasted3HoursHere 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Still an excellent testimony to how well those old Amiga chess games were programmed, even though the processing speed was not that great in comparison.

  • @kelemvor3333
    @kelemvor3333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That Battle Chess game was one of my favorites from back in the day.

  • @chrisamadeus4647
    @chrisamadeus4647 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of my favourite games on the ST, computers are getting flasher graphics but how much better can a game of computer chess really get. Brilliant and fascinating video, thanks for sharing.

    • @xXTheoLinuxXx
      @xXTheoLinuxXx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fun fact, one of the best Chess players all time was using an Atari ST, his name is Garry Kasparov and showed up in several advertisments.

  • @robertv.3704
    @robertv.3704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this was such a nerdy thing to watch, I love it :)

  • @worldofretrogameplay6963
    @worldofretrogameplay6963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a fan of both Battlechess and the ChessMaster series, I can explain why the Amiga won so quickly while playing ChessMaster - the game’s AI was based on the minds of multiple chess champions of the time. Battlechess on the Amiga was more about the graphics than the actual game, which was evident when you played a single match against the CPU. The CPU is known to make ridiculous moves that would entrap itself halfway through the game.

  • @nokachi3339
    @nokachi3339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the AI being older confuses the mac's AI due to the mac thinking it's playing a human, not a computer from the 80s

  • @EgenMusik
    @EgenMusik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to play online chess against a friend that always beat me, so one game i loaded up Cyrus 2 on my Commodore 64 and mirrored all moves between my phone and my C64, i think i had it set to only think for 10 seconds, and it managed to beat him pretty fast, he got very surprised i beat him, and even more surprised when i told him i didn't beat him, but a computer from 1982 did XD

  • @mattbland2380
    @mattbland2380 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Chess.app included with the Mac is a prettied up version of the GNU Chess program, which can be discovered reading the 'About Chess' that includes a link to download the source code.

  • @midnightqueen3332
    @midnightqueen3332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sure, we may not have had all the fancy graphics in the 80's-90s, but our games sure had that ballsy sass factor tuned into the violence and comedy that modern games seem to miss

  • @mittencrab9524
    @mittencrab9524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Sub-creatures! Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, the Traveller has come! Choose and perish!"
    Amiga needed the proton-pack upgrade.

  • @OtreblaMaslab
    @OtreblaMaslab 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Given that Chessmaster won both it's games, I'd love to see whether it could have taken on Hiarcs and won!

  • @sgtunix
    @sgtunix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How does this channel not have 100k+ subscribers? Lets get them there, folks!

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes!!!

    • @pettersvard5990
      @pettersvard5990 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I honestly don't get it. The production quality is great, the originality is outstanding and the interplay between puppy-peri-lady fractic is awesome. Meanwhile, people landing on mousetraps in slow motion is getting 13 million subscribers. Anyways, keep up the good work and hopefully people will catch up :)

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't know about mouse traps but I wouldn't have a happy soul if I put out that kind of thing. To be fair to 9-Bit Guy and LGAhhh, they've been going over 10 years to get their million. I only just hit 2 years. This kind of growth seems normal for this niche. But it's our niche and I love it :-D

    • @stantsigos1337
      @stantsigos1337 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm doing my bit!

  • @heathwellsNZ
    @heathwellsNZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:22 Puppyfractic really meant to say... "Put your arm down hooman, you are just a pawn in MY videos!"

  • @demofilm
    @demofilm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The amiga makes me want to learn chess, never tought it would be this interesting

  • @ctbullett300
    @ctbullett300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I bet most of us where rooting for the AMIGA.
    Come on guys, get the C64 in the game.

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Sadly that would've taken 6 days per move at high skill levels. Not kidding.

    • @davehx
      @davehx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@RetroRecipes but it's what the people want........

    • @1stacbats
      @1stacbats 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Come on.....do it

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Haha never say never

    • @SmalltimR
      @SmalltimR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RetroRecipes
      6 da/p move would only make it that much more valuable an experiment - besides, its not as though someone has to stand-by and wait - I say do it!

  • @stumbling
    @stumbling 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Sees human staring at and talking to no one.
    *engage compassion paw*
    "You okay, fren?"

    • @huyked
      @huyked 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      xD 10/10 comment. xD

    • @vcolinc
      @vcolinc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sick name and comment!

  • @elenchus
    @elenchus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish Amiga had stayed in the computing game. The computing world is so small now. In the '80s we had a ton of choices.

  • @Sofista-Camaleon
    @Sofista-Camaleon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Why an Amiga still can draw with a 2000 more powerfull computer? Because is old, not obsolete. :-) Amazing episode friends. Thank you very much. ;-)

    • @cloerenjackson3699
      @cloerenjackson3699 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is absolutely no way any Amiga chess program running on original Commodore Amiga hardware can beat the Stockfish chess program running on modern PC hardware without the tester rigging the contest by hobbling the PC as this guy ^^ always does.
      "Can somebody in a wheelchair out run Usain Bolt? Yes! If we break Bolt's legs and tie him down first! Astonishing!". :rolleyes:

  • @generalbyzantine8735
    @generalbyzantine8735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Hairy formerly known as Prince? I have two hypotheses to explain the Amiga victories; 1) Chess is a game of chance. It certainly is when I play it! 2) The Amiga picks its opening move at random and the opponent can't plan that deeply. By the time the opponents' few order of magnitudes of computing power starts giving it an advantage, the game has mostly been decided, this would lead to a 50-50 chance of winning... Like the results you got. Coincidence? What's 3 orders of magnitude more of computing power compared to 10^26 moves? Conclusion: Chess is a game of pure chance, I was a Grandmaster all along! :D

    • @EverettVinzant
      @EverettVinzant 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually the opening move used by the Amiga in Chessmaster was not just random. I had Chessmaster 2K for my PC. It had a library of opening moves.

  • @mistercohaagen
    @mistercohaagen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Amiga coders had to be smarter. I bet the Mac software just imported some generic cut rate chess library and wrapped it in pretty graphics.

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There were no software libraries back then for chess I would assume. The algorithm is likely not as efficient or advanced as software libraries today, I doubt there's a big difference between programmed chess AI today, they're all limited. I also don't think there's anyone out there programming traditional chess AI, instead probably training neural networks for funsies or a school project and whatnot.
      Maybe someday we'll have capable true chess AI that will run on most normal computers.

    • @sh-bf7bv
      @sh-bf7bv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jaker788 There's actually a huge difference. I suggest you look up Stockfish and go on from there.

    • @NicVandEmZ
      @NicVandEmZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why chess game on iPad vs amigo

  • @FMHikari
    @FMHikari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is a good way of explaining how Old ≠ Obsolete

  • @chrisstauffer6824
    @chrisstauffer6824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I learned to play chess from playing battle chess when I was child. What a throw back seeing that game again

  • @Comakino
    @Comakino 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    loading pun database, 1.2GB....
    ....
    "Chess you"

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😊

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RetroRecipes who gives you the deadest look for your puns? The dog or your wife (?)

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wierdalien1 I think they're in it together honestly

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RetroRecipes Hahaha

  • @Wagoo
    @Wagoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to do this in the 90's having Battle Chess fight my Speccy and such

  • @upstairsroomsoftware4143
    @upstairsroomsoftware4143 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is just a fantastic video. I need to test this out myself!

  • @Fattydeposit
    @Fattydeposit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched a VHS home video from the early '90s the other day. The most striking thing about it was that 95% of everyone captured on film had the same haircut. Aunties, uncles, myself, girls, boys, my mum, her friends. Everyone had the same shortish bob like Thelma from Scooby-Doo.

  • @mickyjgreen
    @mickyjgreen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Deep blue crashed is why he accused them of cheating to my knowledge. He said if he had crashed he would have lost the game. Fair point.

  • @dazuk1969
    @dazuk1969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was a really interesting experiment, and very surprising. I think your analogy at the end summed up perfectly was going on. That computer beating the Chess Master Kasparov was a seminal moment in computer development and programming. I remember it well...and it is the moment that woke a lot of people up to the potential power of the silicon chip and some cracking good programmers. Kasparov acted like spoilt child when he lost...proper dummy out the pram stuff...bless him......peace.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silicon Chips ? I suppose the same result would run via transisor gates or thermonic valve, or if you could build it , mechanical difference engines.

    • @hellNo116
      @hellNo116 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I recall correctly they found years later that a bug lost him the game.

  • @happysmash27
    @happysmash27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the really catchy song at 19:20? Is there anywhere to get a high-quality flac download of it? The lists of music are really confusing, with the TH-cam playlist being a dead link meaning I can't find out if any specific album has this specific song, and no link on Bandcamp, which is my preferred platform.

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's "I Found You" from the album Insta Mental. Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know the TH-cam link broke. However literally every other link works: album.link/i/1380644483 There are options to buy or stream from everything except Bandcamp. Sorry. I also give my albums to all patrons on tiers from $9. I guess that's not bad for over 50 songs 😊 perifractic.com/patreon

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here's the working TH-cam link: th-cam.com/video/4govziN5NxI/w-d-xo.html

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi again, thanks for pointing out the issues. I've tried to make things a lot clearer now at www.perifractic.com/music and they've fixed the YT links too. I hope the webpage makes more sense. Cheers!

  • @boromaushelms281
    @boromaushelms281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    conclusion of this video: hairy up Amiga!!!
    you both are amazing, my favorite couple in youtube, THANK YOU

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your kind words. Means a lot! 👍🕹

  • @dandreani
    @dandreani 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    in the AI industry, the Peri's law could be described as Overfitting, where a AI would become so good at some patterns that will no longer generalize itself.
    but since Peri's law sound 1000% better i will start to use it now =)!

  • @00Skyfox
    @00Skyfox 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    “All I can see is his wood.” Gotta love it!
    To be honest, I know nothing about chess. I tried to read about how to play it once but it was far over my head. Plus, lack of interest and all.

  • @gmtunerz
    @gmtunerz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video! Cool concept to see a modern Mac and Amiga playing chess! Keep up the good work guys n' gals!

  • @littlepastelkitten
    @littlepastelkitten 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the reason deep blue won and why it was accused of cheating was a bug in the code made the machine make an "un_machinelike" move

  • @xnonsuchx
    @xnonsuchx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I totally forgot about pawn becoming a queen. I guess because I never played a game where a pawn made it that far!

  • @paulypaul111
    @paulypaul111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Watch the movie Game Over. It’s documentary about the Gary vs Deep Blue match up. Garry’s compliant was that the Grand Master consultants who were only supposed to train deep blue were present at the match. Those consultants were in the back room with the computer And Garry suspected that the consultants were influencing and vetting the moves Deep Blue was making in real time. Garry requested to see the deep blue logs and the IBM team refused, they dissembled the computer and never turned it back on. Garry has every right to be upset.

    • @loungezinger
      @loungezinger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They submitted all the code results and decision trees later.

  • @A31Chris
    @A31Chris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thoughts from an old school coding superstar who helped the MS Dev team get the original Halo running at a decent framerate on the original Xbox.
    'First, the Amiga code is hand-coded assembly, the mac code is compiled and unoptimized. It's closer to a 100x acceleration IMO because of that. Second, mac people making recreational apps vs Amiga guys coding for blood in the days of the old republic. Impressive.'

  • @LoveDoctorNL
    @LoveDoctorNL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Battle Chess = Perfect
    Voice over = Perfect
    Dog Humor = Perfect
    This is why I’m here! Keep making quality vids!

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️ 🐾

    • @LoveDoctorNL
      @LoveDoctorNL 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RetroRecipes And my condolences for the recent departure to puppy-heaven for your oldest.

  • @root42
    @root42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder what each program on the Amiga could do on its toughest settings (with time limits). Battle chess used to be notoriously bad anyway, but I guess it held up quite well all things considered. The thing is, even an Amiga could give a grand master a hard time back in the day. Especially if you had an A2000 or better.

  • @chrisdobbins4436
    @chrisdobbins4436 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    well from what i understand alot of the older chest games had grand masters programing or helping to program them at any rate alot more effort and care went into that programing you had to build games like that from the ground up back in the day now there is alot of short cuts and things to help you they dont program things like they use to

  • @imskyrcheez
    @imskyrcheez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's about the love and effort people put into the product they produce. 1987 "Wow look I put chess on this computer!!' 2020 "Don't forget to include chess on the chrome book"

  • @jamesavery3559
    @jamesavery3559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you very much for the show, back when i had a chess computer {the great game machine} that in one game was faced with losing its queen for a minor piece, so it invented rank zero and move the queen from a5 to f0!

  • @reticulatingsplines
    @reticulatingsplines 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Classic recipode, fascinating that the Amiga could really hold its own. Loved the film Wargames, had a real thing for Ally Sheedy back in the day, The Breakfast Club, Short Circuit, Home Alone 2. Ahhh thinking about her gives me warm feelings and a WOPR... Errrrrrr, ahem... Anyway all of a sudden I've got a hankering for Burger King. Looking forward to seeing more from the "fractics". Professor Falken would be proud.

  • @Martyballin
    @Martyballin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You’re spending an entire day nerding out with gorgeous Ladyfractic. I have 3 children. Sigh. Checkmate, Perifractic.

    • @RetroRecipes
      @RetroRecipes  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't forget all the pawn too ;-)

  • @glorfification
    @glorfification 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! I've been thinking about trying something like this for a while, but haven't got around to it yet. (I enjoyed seeing the Amiga win some games!)