Riding Widescape's WS250 | The Most Fun We've Had Standing Up!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- Luke takes a quick minute to talk to Sebastien Hanssens, Marketing & Communications Lead for Widescape about the development WS250 stand-up snowmobile following Luke's first ride aboard this unique machine.
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Let’s go send it off a drop!!! I love this thing, been on the edge until this. Now I want one!!!
This looks like a sweet package to boot around the backwoods with. Though, 8500 plus tax seems pretty steep for a 20 hp ultra light.
Agreed. At $5-$6000 I think they’d do well but at $8500 ($10k after tax) they’ve priced themselves out of the market (or should I say before even starting the market for these).
@@KBBackcountry But a $70,000 F150 XLT and 1.2M$ starter house makes sense?
@@KBBackcountry funny how they have sold every one they have made ontop of preorders 🤦♂️
It'd be nice if the engine was larger, but otherwise it's in a different league than sleds or snow bikes. It may not be very fast but it looks like it has the right power to weight ratio and gearing, along with rider placement to keep moving in even deep snow without bogging down like a snow bike would with the same 250cc engine. So it's hard to compare the price to the HP, like we can with sleds and other powersport toys.
Agreed. Something like this would be an add on toy in addition to their sled/s. 95% of people would have wait a few years to pick up a used one for 4 or 5k
It's like an old school jet ski!
Yessss
I have said for many years that a stand up sled would be where it’s at! Unless trails are 100% flat, I find myself standing frequently. When the trails are whooped out, ya gotta stand. I understand this really isn’t a trail machine, but I think ergonomically it would be great. I wanna test one out! Thanks for the review, STTV!
Scooter kids gonna love this
Now that looks like a mountain slope ptarmigan killing machine!
I would love to try one of these they look like so much fun! Not something I would ride as much or as far as my traditional sled but for shorter and tighter riding they seem amazing.
I've been following these online since April of this year. (2022) I immediately thought about just how cool it was. Thought about all the different really fun areas there are to ride that here in Minnesota, especially northern Minnesota. Even fresh snow ditch banging would be a blast on one of those! I finally got to thes in person at HayDays. Since I was in the swaps I was able to check them out on Friday. Chatted with the guy there for a while and got a really good look at them
I really want one!! At the least, I wanna try one out as soon as there's a chance here in Minnesota!
That's awesome. We popped by their booth at Hay Days too. Looked like they were getting some attention which is cool to see.
From MN too, wanna try one of these around here too!
@@snowtrax yes they need to put on as many demo days as they can, maybe they'll have a chance if people can see for themselves(assuming they are) how much fun they can be with no cost involved. Word of mouth, and "witness testimony" lol is often the best form advertisement for a new company
I WILL be getting one of these. 👌
I'd compare this to the pit bike size snow bike Grind Hard Plumbing Co. tested out a couple years ago. They said even though it was small in size and had a 190cc pit bike engine, it did so well because of it's low gearing and also rider placement. Instead of having the track mounted where a tire would be (behind the rider), the track was at least halfway underneath the seat. With this one, it looks like they did an even better job. A 500cc engine would be nice for more power, but still this would be fun for sure.
Can't wait to get mine. JAN-ish Your review is what I picture it to be... 👊✊️💨❄️❄️
I’m definitely interested. I ride mountain sleds or old Yamaha fanners here in Alaska, depending on conditions. For tree riding, and shredding lake shores, this thing would rock, they way I always wished my snow hawk would. The low CG, centralized mass and light weight is where this thing will prevail over the failed AD boivin. 200 pounds???? Take my money!!!
wondering if could pull lightweight sled for ice fishing backwoods lakes and running a trap line.....looks like it would be ultimate vehicle for that??
Absolutely. Theres actually a trailerhitch being developed for exactly this purpose.
Would like to see it in a 2 stroke version. Lighter with less rotating mass, simpler and pound for pound more powerful. Smells better too! Make America Two Stroke Again!
Agreeed lighter yet and more power.
Though the tamed down masses may prefer the 'smokeless' quietness and lack of adding oil etc.
I splurged on a Surrron X with a track kit last year and still have zero regrets, I mean zero regrets. The surron needs a belly pan for deep snow but is still amazing for checking things out in trees and bush bashing. It's like the narrowest bravo LT ever, but third the weight and a better cushioning than leaf springs lol. I imagine being gas this would have a better range with a reasonably similar riding experience, and seems to float well in snow. Epic..... Considering the Surron w/track kit is about 10k (can also be used in the summer as a large pit bike), I might just have to get one of these for the trips a little longer than 40km.
Looks like fun. I want one!
When are you making the 1000 Turbo?
This looks like it would be fun af
I would definitely be interested in buying one of these after seing them at the Edmonton snowmobile show but the price is the biggest hurdle for me I could get a used snow bike kit for my dirtbike for half the cost
Looks fun haha be good to use to get around town In the winter
Future 6k price will be it's sweet spot. Expected to be a bit expensive with new technology on the market.
I think a three season half-track version might work in Montréal. Scooters are quite popular and e-anything aren't cheap.
Cool ok just cool
Can't wait to january to try mine!!
How was it ?
Snowmocycle I want to try it out for sure,I’ve had everything else but that looks so much fun,ride it just like my Honda cbr 125
imagine this thing maintaining trails for fatbike riders
I have a front ski fat ebike, but so often the conditions are not just right for traction etc., why I ordered one of these.
top speed ? in general obviously now & rider weight matters? what does it weigh dry ?
I would be more interested if it had a removable or foldable seat like how some stand up jet skis have.
Lion Hunters are going to love this thing.
,,,,,Snow Trax back for 2023!!!.......here we go.........best vids for new products,,,,,,,,tnx,,land o' lakes,wi.
Is this rider forward in a compact size and new level? Put a battery in it and the younger gen will be hooked.
Very cool, but I think price will hurt the sales.of these big time. Also a 250 two stroke I feel would have been a better fit for this.
Excellent points that are hard to argue with. Plus a 250 2-stoke would be wicked.
According to Widescape, they are having NO trouble selling every one they can make. And while it might seem like a 2 stroke would be better, I think the smoother, torquier 4 stroke is actually the better choice. You dont need or want that middle of the powerband surge a 250 2 stroke will give you.
Same price as a 250f MX bike... I think their pricing is fair. A 250 2 stroke would be nice, or even a 450 four stroke.
@@pavmentsurfer13 Me, I'd take the 2 stroke over the 4. They are lighter, both in weight and rotating mass, simpler to work on, easier to start and yes, cc for cc more powerful. A 125 2T can produce as much power as a 250 4 and is lighter. Lots of tuning advances in 2 stroke motorcycles recently, like power valves that can be adjusted to change the torque/power delivery, and TPI/TBI induction that smooth out power delivery. 2 strokes smell better too.
@@thryago ya dude, 125 2t would be awesome!
Wasnt sure about these had to check them out. You guys think you could do a budget build talk about what sleds you would use and what you would put on it for your liking with say a 5k budget or a little more.
You ain’t getting anything for 5gs nowadays, and that’s assuming you mean brand new
@@newslendergaming6721 no I mean like early 2000s to maybe 2010
I like the idea.
@@snowtrax I am just finishing up an f7 build I might be just over 3 grand and I have to say the sled is my baby and all I need and want out on the trail. No new sled for me🤣
I can see a new snowcross event, should be awesome in the whoops, with more refinement and bigger motors
I’m willing to bet, that would pull your sleigh with your fishing stuff across lake pretty easy
Looks like it would be a good trail groomer for snow fat bike trails.
All the videos I watched of this machine was on flat terrain. How steep of a hill it can climb?
And what is the range?
I met the inventor of the widescape on my trial motorcycle trails who are almost impossible to climb without a trial motocycle and that answer a lot of concerns for me. So I put a deposit and waiting for it when it will be available. And for enduro and trial motorcycling I prefer to be standing on the pegs than on the butt. So it is more aimed at offroad motorcyst. And the price when you compare it to a trial or enduro motorcycle it is correct
Totally stoked to see something new for snow motorsport. Id love to try one, id like to see a 2stroke option but 4t with a little turbo? Maybe im underestimating the 250 a bit
It’s rare that I open the throttle for more than a couple seconds unless I’m crossing a lake. This thing has plenty of horsepower for a 200# machine.
I put down 100$ with widescape last season based on your review. As of October 2022 i have no information from ws on when and where they can deliver this machine . I live in Colorado. Dissatisfied potential customer.
After not being able to figure out how to put a downpayment using their site (!), a couple days ago I sent $200.00 to Martin Motor Sport in Edmonton, as they are listed as dealers (none in Idaho.) I got a robo response from Martin, but will call them Monday to see if it;s there yet and ready for pickup. No, not really! I realize it's going to a while, (late January, maybe) but I want verbal confirmation it's a happening thing, it looks worth the wait. Like the Sur Ron electric dirtbike (hugely popular, I have one) this thing seems to be similar, in that it fills a gap we didn't know existed. I have no idea what the hassle will be making the drive back across the border, US Customs are a PITA.
How comfortable for tall 6’4” riders?
Weight capacity?
I think the biggest question is: can it go anywhere off the trail??? Seems it's not!
It is made for the deep off-trail snow, which is not just a flat area in the woods. How well it will perform in the mountains with only 20cc!
My biggest question: Will I bash my knees against the machine? Will I need to adopt an uncomfortable riding position to avoid hitting my knees?
I snowboard, fly a ski plane, and have a fat tired ebike with a ski on the front. All right out of my mountain Idaho property. I want and NEED one of these things, yesterday! Sent the downpayment, I will drive across the border to pick it up.
Perfect for Canadians
Here today, gone tomorrow.
Just like the SnoHawk.
I suspect you will be proven very wrong.
@@pavmentsurfer13 I’m sorry but the price is going the downfall.
It will have its 15 minutes of fame and then disappear.
Wrong
@@krankysledzz Based on the sales, your not correct. The snowhawk didnt sell... at all. The WS250 is selling so fast theyve had to up their initial build numbers to meet demand. This isnt a fad. its a new thing. Just like the snowbike. People said there was no way a person would spend $10 000 on a dirtbike then another $8000 on a snowbike kit. But people do... and itsnot slowing down.
@@pavmentsurfer13 you may be right in saying that. I was listening to Snowmobile Session and they had jR from widescape on talking about it. And he said sales were good. From what I heard it sounds like it’s kinda a thing where you take out for an hour or two at a time. And to me that seems like a lot of money to spend ($10G’s) out the door.
JR did say you did really like it.
Only time will tell. Hopefully it does work out and it stays around. Only time will tell.
Looks like it would make a good chassis for a sled motor swap and ride it on water
I ride mostly trail. No mountains around here. This seems like the perfect thing to go blasting through the woods for a short trip after work.
All about having some fun.
Absolutely... thats exactly why I want one. Hydro lines, swamps, ditches... this thing is going to be amazing.
@@pavmentsurfer13 Have to see how well they catch on. Hopefully economy of scale can drop the price down a bit in the future. Bit of a hard sell at 8500 compared to a snowmobile. At 6000 it would pretty much be a no brainer.
Is there a limiter strap of any kind that can be adjusted? maybe for more wheelies 😉
Trappers and hunters. Make a rack or basket. Looks perfect for that stuff
This is fire !
It’s a goped with a ski on the front and a track on the back.
Would love to get an industry perspective on this. What is their sales target and what’s their product strategy? Where does this vehicle format go in the future? They’ll need other models to grow and succeed over the long term. More suspension, longer tracks, more power? Kid-sized models? How do they sustain their sales and grow the customer base?
Also, was this video sponsored by / paid for in full or in part by the manufacturer?
All great questions that I'm sure the company is thinking about. Just keep in mind that this is a start up company and you gotta start somewhere. Also no, our opinion of this machine was not financially motivated.
Im very interested to find out the answers to these questions also. With a company like Devinci Cycles behind them, the possibilities are vast. I think a kids model would be incredible. This video was NOT sponsored. We were invited to ride it, I rode it and my comments and enthusiasm for it are %100 genuine.
@@pavmentsurfer13 thanks Luke. I could tell you genuinely enjoyed riding the vehicle. I think transparency about financial connection is important. It’s hard to tell the difference between journalism and sponsored content these days, especially on TH-cam so I always appreciate when people state it explicitly. “Company X is a sponsor to this program or paid us to promote this story” seems like an easy thing to add and adds credibility to the opinions shared.
@@pavmentsurfer13 also, keep up the great work! I love your content.
Looks fun. However I think it should have enough power where it literally throws you off the back. Then it would be really fun
It’s about lightweight it doesn’t need more power. Did you even watch the video
@@tylerseabook9423 yes sir. Nothing beats holding on for dear life tho
Pure genious
Great review. The only thing I have to say about the power is nobody needs an 850 let alone an 850 turbo… however many enthusiasts like myself like that extra power. Would love to see these different form factor snowmobiles continue to evolve as they look like a blast to ride.
Im with you when it comes to power, but only where that power wont actually HURT the overall performance of the vehicle. There IS such a thing as too much power. Could the WS250 handle a bit more power, sure. But if you pushed it too far, it would get very hard to ride and become alot less fun. Its NOT meant to be fast. Its meant to be capable. And at 20 horsepower, its more capable in the trees than other vehicles with 3 times the power.
@@pavmentsurfer13 totally agree with ya… can’t wait for this snowmobiling season… gonna be a good one.
You clearly don't ride at 10k feet with 3 feet of fresh. I've spent a lot of time breaking trail for NA sleds on my 850 turbo. I even spent a night in the backcountry because the NA mountain sleds in our group couldn't climb back out.
Really want to try out one of these little shredders though!
its just a matter of time till someone Frankenstein's a kx/cr 500 into one of these
Looks like the most fun you can have on the snow , under 100 hp
Still counts.
Call it a scooter-doo. 👍 cool.
The market is just too small for these as 75% of sledders are trail riders, and at 10k Canadian tax in, they are priced outta the market, at 4k they'd sell like hotcakes. At that price range u can buy a helluva nice used sled with power and/or a snow bike that can be used 12mths of the year with both configurations. I'd love to see these take off, but the reality is they just won't.once the fad of something new wears off, it will die just like the snow hawk did. Its too bad cause it's a cool product, but that's just the fact of it. There may be some hope if they can find a way to keep innovating with new versions with more capability and definitely more power, but it's a stretch to say they'll be the new big thing that will overtake snowbikes(which are a niche market as it is) and still be here in 10years. Love to buy a used one in 5yrs for 2500 bucks tho!
Can you do a side by side comparison with an Assault 850 patriot boost soon before I purchase one or the other?
I mean, they ARE direct competitors. Lol
One of these with a blast 400 engine lol
Doesnt need it. It would get heavier and the fuel range would be reduced. It doesnt need more power. I cant stress this enough.
@@pavmentsurfer13 bet the blast 400 engine weighs less than the engine that’s in it . But point taken it’s not meant to be a power house. I just made a comment on TH-cam .
Agreed, Blast 400 like this would be the ultimate
You would think a fuel injected 250 4 stroke would have way more power then 20 hp. It's going to be easy to be turbo charged I think.😊
Very cool, but how much is it?
$7000 USD, took me 10 seconds to find that out.
8500 CAD
We got the chance to try it at Raxfin its sick but not shure id pay 7k for it
Two problems. 1. Price -Its just too high for what you get. 2. Legality - It will never be anything but a niche item unless it can be used on trails and im willing to bet people will fight against it like they do anything but traditional snowmobiles.
This looks a lot more fun than my snowdog.
I'll wait 1 year tho because it's a big investment and every part is custom so of you need engine parts or track parts, if the company goes out, it becomes expensive paper weight.
It's a Snooter!
I could easily see this adapted to an EV model
Of course - although the range will plummet by 50%++++
It won't stop the cold air from getting to you like a sled will.
How does it climb big hills?
i've own sleds and snowbike, i can definitely confirm that a snowbike doesn't need the same amount of power than a sled, but... even if my snowbike get me places i never thought could be possible, I still put a 500cc bigbore in it, just because!!
Looking at the engine, it would probably weight 10-15lbs more to have a single cylinder 450cc, with more torque. I get that it's not meant to go fast, but the snappynest of having more torque and more track spin would probably give it the whoommf needed to make more technical move. I might be proven wrong, but nothing is ever too much power....
Si vous avez des démos dans la région de Québec, j'aimerais bien essayé ça!!!
If only it had the Cat 400 in there. 20hp probably ok for very small people. Tiny gas tank... you're not going far. Despite all the gripes I wish I could try one. But I can't believe the power is anywhere near what I would need. I hear what they are saying "not a mountain sled" and "just the right amount" but I weigh over 260... no chance going uphill in snow with 20hp.
Your 100% wrong on all points. Especially the gas point. This thing would run all day long on a that tiny tank of gas🤦♂️
@@tylerseabook9423 lol
You making a lot of assumptions. Just like i did. And I was wrong on all of them. Im 6'1, 250lbs and 20HP was MORE than enough to pull me up hills. Its not like a mountain sled where you blast straight up a big hill and hold it pinned. Even with more power, it still wouldnt do that because of your body positioning. Youd just wheelie over backward. But, you can side hill it like nothing else and work any hill with a little finesse. The gas tank is big enough for almost a full afternoon of riding. Which is MORE than enough.
@@pavmentsurfer13 I trust your opinion but I don't know if you really understand the wet west coast snow and how power-robbing it is, or what that 250F motor would do at 5000'. Finally, if you're saying more power would not be more fun, I respectfully can't believe that.
NEED BIKE STAND UP NOW
I need one
Is there a dealer in lowa or Nebraska???🇺🇸
Looks like they've started their distribution in Canada for now, but I could see this easily expanding into the US if it is as popular as viewership and comments on here suggest.
Looks like a fun machine to play around on. I would agree. Off trail exploring would suit this machine. You waste a lot of time finding a route the sled will fit. Although that is part of the fun. I do think it would be strange with your feet so close together.
It IS strange... feels VERY strange at first. I wanted to ride it like a jet ski, with one foot forward and one foot back. But that was not the best way to ride it... however, im going to practice riding it like that more this winter when we get a couple.
I was thinking it needed pegs on the side to give you a little more wider stance like a motorcycle but one foot forward and the other back may be the way to go. Was looking at them at the atv/snowmobile show tonight. They do look like fun.
@@Kevin-gn8cz Its funny you mention pegs. I thought EXACTLY the same thing when I first stood on it. You dont need them... but it sure feels like you do before you actually get out on it.
...footpegs, a higher seat and wider handle bars I would be all in.
I want to make a little seat for it
"Fun" activities don't require crash helmets. "Dangerous" is the word. "Thrilling" - but that is fun for only the insane.
Yeah, you've somehow stumbled onto the wrong channel, dude. Just make sure you zip up your life jacket before you leave the house...😐
I would wand dirt bike pegs and a attachable seat for when you kinda get tired
Is it gas or electric
242cc 4-stroke EFI engine.
It’s a goped for the snow,
This things needs a HO model with a 350cc KTM 4 stroke from there motocross bike
No one shows how capable bikes are or push them to it's limit's even the manufacturer would be surprised.
if it only needs 20hp you could replace the engine with a electric one it would make it like a sur ron but for snow
I’d like to see them come with a 450 Option
Why? Have you ridden one? Why are you so sure it needs more power. I HAVE ridden it... along with every other ultra high horsepower sled. This one absolutely does NOT need more power. In fact, im convinced a whole lot more power would make it LESS fun.
No thanks, I'll stick to my 2000 Polaris 600xc deluxe or my 96 XLT touring. Both of them are like riding a couch 😂 not saying it's a bad idea but it seems to be more focused on riding around close by not really for far trail riding.
This thing looks fun but I better not replace the snowmobile
Need to try this for deer season y’all should send me one haha just kidding
À la cabane a sucre...ça prendrai pas de temps faire le tour du terrain
never enough power🙂
Why go 4 stroke
Sick💯
9000 buys me 2 really decent sleds.
Ses malades ❤
It's a Snowhawk reboot
Would be cool if it had a higher power 2 stroke
The music at the start is like 100% then they start talking and it's at 20%... may need some brand new editors
imagine one of these with more power tho
so tracks on a quad is a snowmobile.
It’s a snow scooter 🛴
Sno-Scoot-er?
I think you’re limiting your customer base by not having a seat, I’m old I can only stand for so long?
Yes.