Is Isaiah 53 about Jesus?
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Despite strong objections from conservative Christian apologists, the prevailing rabbinic interpretation of Isaiah 53 ascribes the “servant” to the nation of Israel who silently endured unimaginable suffering at the hands of its gentile oppressors. The speakers, in this most-debated chapter, are the stunned kings of nations who will bear witness to the messianic age and the final vindication of the Jewish people following their long and bitter exile. “Who would have believed our report?,” the astonished and contrite world leaders wonder aloud in dazed bewilderment (53:1).
The stimulus for the world’s baffled response contained in this famed cluster of chapters at the end of the Book of Isaiah is the unexpected salvation of Israel. The redemption of God’s people is the central theme in the preceding verse (52:12) where the “you” signifies the Jewish people who are sheltered and delivered by God. Moreover, the “afflicted barren woman” in the following chapter is protected and saved by God, and is also universally recognized as the nation of Israel (54:1).
The well-worn claim frequently advanced by Christian apologists who argue that the noted Jewish commentator, Rashi (1040 CE - 1105 CE), was the first to identify the suffering servant of Isaiah 53 with the nation of Israel is inaccurate and misleading. In fact, Origen, a prominent and influential church father, conceded in the year 248 CE - eight centuries before Rashi was born - that the consensus among the Jews in his time was that Isaiah 53 “bore reference to the whole [Jewish] people, regarded as one individual, and as being in a state of dispersion and suffering, in order that many proselytes might be gained, on account of the dispersion of the Jews among numerous heathen nations.”
The broad consensus among Jewish, and even some Christian commentators, that the “servant” in Isaiah 52-53 refers to the nation of Israel is understandable. Isaiah 53, which is the fourth of four renowned Servant Songs, is umbilically connected to its preceding chapters. The “servant” in each of the three previous Servant Songs is plainly and repeatedly identified as the nation of Israel.
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I read the book of Isaiah last year and the person Isaiah 53 was referring to was supposed to see his offsprings. That means the person was supposed to have children and see his grandchildren too. Isaiah 53:10.
The Quran said " seeking knowledge is compulsory for both men and women. Please, let's be eager to learn. Knowledge is the key to success. May Allah SWT increase us all in knowledge, understanding, and guidance. Aameen Ya'Allah.
Plus
Verse 7 says he will not open his mouth
The one on the cross was shouting "my god my god.....'
@antony Sebastian send it to me i want to watch that
@@Eschton23
He won't open his mouth to defend himself. Exactly what Jesus did.
Well, we all exist because of Jesus scarifies for us, hence, that is how we are all His children, and soon He will return to save the whole world. God Bless :)
@@Eschton23 That was when Jesus was brought to the slaughter, and remember He could have saved His life if He had talked to pontius, something He didn't do because He had to die in order to resurrect so He could save the whole world out of death.
It will soon be revealed that He is real and is soon returning to save us. God Bless 😀
Matthew 8:16-17 and 1 Peter 2:24 Is directly pointing to Isaiah 53 when talking about Jesus
If someone pointing Isaiah 53 to someone doesn’t mean he’s the person that is talking about
The Anonymous writer of Mathew and Peter may have thought that Isaiah 53 was talking about Jesus, but that doesn't mean that they were correct. Much like how the gospels get some parts wrong compared to other gospel writers.
@@David.McDonald yeah that’s what I mean since Jeremiah also attributes the prophecy in Isaiah 53 to himself
Also, the author of the four gospel sometimes ripped the context and ignore the text of the Old Testament just to make the prophecy and I think that’s biased
@@David.McDonald
For example, Matthew ripped half of the verse in Hosea 11 to make the prophecy of Jesus:
“He stayed there until the death of Herod, that what the Lord had said through the prophet might be fulfilled, ‘OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON.’” (Matthew 2:15)
But when we read the full verse in context, the passage has nothing to do with Jesus, it talks about the nation of Israel after slavery in Egpyt:
“When Israel was a child I loved him, out of Egypt I called my son.” (Hosea 11:1)
We see how Matthew ignore the full text by ripped the half of the text
It is clearly about Jesus
Wow mashallah. I always wondered about Isaiah's so called prophecy. It makes sense now thank you so much for your videos
It doesn't make sense at all, see the refutation by Islam Critiqued. The only source this man quotes is Bart Ehrman, who is NOT an Old Testament scholar.
For the rest, it surprises me that muslims always fall for the claims like " many scholars say..." or "it is widely believed..." or "it is assumed that...". As soon as it fits their beliefs there is apparently no need to give any evidence for claims like this - even though they're completely false.
@@agadirand4four347 do you realize how silly your reply is?
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Great dissertation, great dissection of this troublesome topic. Thanks❤
I have a tendency to save every video you post now-days and take notes from, so keep up the good work, all the best sir
I am doing the same thing...it is good isn't it
Rabbi tovia singer is really knowledgeable should check out his channel
Tq bro Paul.. Keep it up.. Don't give up.. May Allah bless you bro..
Waww ameizing video...Jazak Allahu Khair
May I ask you to discuses for us the Garry Wills' book "In What the Qur'an Meant" in another session!
Good request!
Why discuss a book about the Quran written by someone who NEVER read the Quran by his own admission...you are just bringing attention to a book which should not be read by Muslims
and they’re boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him. Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. Syrah 4:157-158
Christians are in no doubt about the crucifixion. It is actually Muslims who are in doubt about it. There are at least nine theories that Muslim leaders have about what happened to Jesus.
1. No one was crucified. It was a vision.
2. No one was crucified. It is a myth.
3. Someone was substituted for Jesus.
4. We do not know what happened.
5. Jesus was crucified by the Romans, not the Jewish Leaders.
6. Jesus’ body was crucified, but his soul was taken without death.
7. Refuting the Jewish Talmud
8. Jesus was crucified but survived.
9. Jesus was crucified, and the Qur’an is describing him as a martyr.
The Qur’an explicitly states that the Jews did not succeed in putting Jesus to death and that Allah raised him to Himself, but it is silent about the nature and details of the matter and does neither say explicitly whether Allah raised him body and soul together from the earth to some place in heaven, nor that he died like other mortals and only his soul was raised to heaven. Therefore, on the basis of the Qur’an neither aspect can be definitely denied or affirmed. (S. Abdul A`La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, Lahore: Islamic Publications, 2007, fn 195 for Q4:157, vol. 1, p. 399)
Quran chapter Mary verse 33 we read: So Peace is upon me the day I was born, and the day I will die, and the Day I get resurrected alive.
If there is no origin of sin according to your believe there would be no need for alleged mystery crucifixion- please read Graham Stanton who is a leading scholar.
Jesus was a Jew and preached Judaism to other Jews, neither Jesus nor his followers ever heard of the word Christians. This is all Paul’s concoction, he invented Christianity.
According to the holly scripture Jesus was willing and offered himself to be nailed on the cross but yet he calls out to God saying my God my God why have you abandoned me, Jesus was screaming for help and wanted to be saved it dose not look like as it’s part of a divine plan to save humanity, furthermore, why didn’t Jesus scream my father my father why have abandoned me instead of my God my God?
This dialogue is between Allah and Jesus on the the of judgement, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
Allah will say, “This is the Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.” For them are gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them, and they with Him. That is the great attainment. Quran 5:116-119
The miracle of Jonah is that he was 3 days and 3 nights alive in the belly of fish and there is is no mention in the bible that Jonah rose from the dead, so Jesus telling you that he was alive as Jonah was because when the disciples of Jesus saw him after the alleged crucifixion they were terrified as they thought they’ve seen the ghost because the have heard by hearsay that Jesus was put in the cross, Jesus assured them that he was not a spirit by asking them to handle him and see and sat and ate with them.
Why would Jesus, who is God, call the Father “my God?”
Why did Jesus pray if he is God himself?
@Real Tom God Almighty
@@EngagingWithIslam The disciples were in doubt,you are just ill informed
In the Quran, Allah is also referred to as the best deceiver. Don't be deceived people. Christ died on the cross for our sins and rose on the third day. Amen.
Brother PAUL...
I humbly ask your permission using your video(s) translated into Indonesian language for educational purposes only.
It's my first video upload to TH-cam and I am not familiar yet with the technology, I should have put Blogging Theology link, but soon once I know how I will write down your link.
Thank you very much, Brother Paul.
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Here is his permission. Happy translating!
@@shaami8622 thank you very much, now I feel much more happy.
And again, thank you very - very much Brother PAUL.
you are welcome!
@@BloggingTheology I can't never thank you enough Brother Paul.
Thank you....
Very good opportunity brother, make sure you do a good job may allah bless you.
Speaking of Oxford's motto, Dominus illuminatio mea, God do illuminated your mind and path, and happy of the accidental rays of light that are shown infront of your face causing a degree of glare but give a warm feeling
"But now, all you who light fires
and provide yourselves with flaming torches,
go, walk in the light of your fires
and of the torches you have set ablaze.
This is what you shall receive from my hand:
You will lie down in torment."
Isaiah 50:11
Peace be upon him
God will not judge you by an interpretation of what Isaiah , Luke...etc probably ~ said . But by what He himself said .
And the Quran is the only book where God himself speaks directly .
who says so Allah or Muhammad? God has already spoken. but you preferred a false teacher in muhammad over the truth. Listen to what Isaiah wrote
"Who then will bring charges against me?
Let us face each other!
Who is my accuser?
Let him confront me!
9 It is the Sovereign Lord who helps me.
Who will condemn me?
They will all wear out like a garment;
the moths will eat them up.
10 Who among you fears the Lord
and obeys the word of his servant?
Let the one who walks in the dark,
who has no light,
trust in the name of the Lord
and rely on their God.
But now, all you who light fires
and provide yourselves with flaming torches,
go, walk in the light of your fires
and of the torches you have set ablaze.
This is what you shall receive from my hand:
You will lie down in torment."
50:8-11
@@teachmetheway7081 well why don’t we just say that the true God is the Father? the son always worship and pray to his Father no? in reality christian only talk bout jesus as god and forget the father and holy spirit. before jesus born, was it twinity and not trinity? why no prophets before jesus ever talk about trinity concept, instead they only say that God is only one and nobody mentions bout trinity or jesus name?
would jesus offer himself to be crucified even if none wants kill him? or would he commit suicide? or simply ask someone to kill him on the cross? why did he suddenly decide to die for our sins? can’t he as God just clean all of our sins without killing himself?
@@meloza Good questions!
@@meloza Christians do refer to Father and Holy Spirit as God. But recall our most direct contact with God has been and is in the person of Jesus! When a parent allows his child to answer the phone the caller must first honor the child before trying to meet with the Father. We never knew God the Father before in any case so it is only fair we honor the Son "more". Understand the Father can't even meet with us because of sin. If He were to reveal Himself we would not live. However, He made provisions for us However to be reconciled.
@@meloza Deut 29:29 The Bible's prophets wrote about God as a plurality in different places. King David spoke about The Son in psalms 2 and Jehovah in much the same breath.
Don't go down the road about what wasn't talked about before not existing. That logic may seem sure but is flawed.
Note: "what we discover we name. What what remains iz still just that - undiscovered "
A👍🌻You hit the point
The historical and literary is correctly not available in Amazon and they are not sure of when they are going to have it. Do you have any idea of where I can purchase it?
@antony Sebastian Yes, I do follow him. He's an amazing analyzer and eloquently speaker.
@antony Sebastian try and read the book of Acts. You'll see how the Bible writers manipulated man and corrupt the Jewish scripture. Whenever they make a reference or quote OT, try and look it up in the OT - You'll see how they twisted and put words in Jesus' mouth.
I love this guy, he makes excellent videos, God bless you! There is a place in the Old Testament that mentions a guy being crucified, I can’t remember what book, maybe Isaiah or Jerimiah, can you comment or make a video on that?
It is this same book and these same verses. It does not mention crucifixion but details someone being tortured and killed
I especially do not understand how a book written by two different people when it is supposed to be the work of a single person continues to be conceived as such. as the work of one person.
one should not be surprised then with all these trafficking and alterations that ALLAH Soubhanahou wa Tâala Provider and Preserver of The Truth (الحق) sends other Messengers with other Revelations to restore The Truth and unveil the lies and alterations.
in themselves these debates then become null and void since each party will claim to hold the monopoly of the Truth but one party has tampered with and altered for a specific purpose and that without ALLAH Soubhanahou wa Tâala nobody except the forgers. would have known a lot so the defenders of the Truth must not forget in doing so that they did not fabricate It as the forgers and alterers fabricate the lie.
in the future, Imam Mahdi will restore Islam in its true sense for Muslims trapped in their "current" sense notably with regard to Governance and Education and the reestablishment of Zakat while Jesus (Peace be upon Him) will re-establish Submission (Islam) to ALLAH Soubhanahou wa Tâala as the only Religion for men and accepted by men.
maybe we will see the end of this Western-Western debate on Religion in which Muslims feel compelled to defend a position they don't have to defend for the simple reason that they don't have to Justify it to individuals who, because of their civilizational background, are not able to understand monotheism without the materialization and the physicalization of the object of religious faith - which is imposed by any reference to Greco-Roman culture - and we do not forget also that these debates are not held in any lingua franca of Divine Revelation.
far from this debate, everyone would be free to live their faith as they see fit and what should not be forgotten:
Holy Koran
*Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
Understanding monotheism without materialization? And why shouldn't I, a Christian, understand? I, on the other hand, understand and have chosen. And whether you like it or not, I chose Christianity.
Let's consider if what Bart Ehrman says is true.
1. He said the Hebrew prophets were not predicting things that were to happen in the future.
What nonsense. Listen to Isaiah.
Isa_42:9 See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you."
Ehrman has not read Isaiah.
2. Ehrman says that Isaiah 53 is not talking about the future at all and the verbs show this.
No they do not. Future prophecies in Isaiah are often said in the perfect tense, as they are in the Qur'an, for instance Isaiah 9 is about the Messiah bringing the everlasting kingdom of God, clearly future, yet spoken as completed.
3. He says it is not about the Messiah at all.
Of course it is if you had read Isaiah. Isaiah 53 is about the faithful remnant of Israel and the book of Isaiah says that the Messiah will be this faithful remnant.
This is seen in the Jewish Targum from around the time of Jesus. It identifies the servant of Isaiah 53 as the Messiah:
"Behold, my servant, the Anointed One (or, the Messiah), shall prosper; he shall be exalted, and increase, and be very strong. As the house of Israel hoped (or, waited) for him many days ..." (Targum of Isaiah 52:13-14)
This interpretation comes from the observation that the Messiah is the righteous one (Is. 9:6-7, 11:1ff) and the salvation of Isaiah 53 brings the Messianic covenant (Is. 55:3).
4. Ehrman says it is about Israel not the Messiah.
Please read Isaiah. The Messiah is the true Israelite who fulfils the destiny of Israel. Ehrman has made a distinction that does not exist. What the king does he does for the nation. Again, if Ehrman had read Isaiah he would see this:
Isa 49:3 He said to me, "You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor."
Isa 49:4 But I said, "I have labored to no purpose; I have spent my strength in vain and for nothing. Yet what is due me is in the LORD's hand, and my reward is with my God."
Isa 49:5 And now the LORD says- he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength-
Isa 49:6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."
Notice how the servant is going to bring back Jacob (Israel) and then be a light to the nations. That is, this faithful Israelite will have a ministry to Israel and then to the nations.
Good points. It's also worth mentioning that the notion Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah is the oldest and likely the most historically widespread Jewish interpretation attested concerning this passage. That would seem to indicate an ancient provenance for the idea, and Jews are hardly likely to adopt, and in such vast numbers, a Biblical interpretation that is so heavily favourable to Christianity. It would be like the most significant theologians in Christianity coming to an agreement that Isaiah 42 is about Muhammad.
Just a question out of curiosity :
Do you think that, in the jewish perspective, a Messiah is also a god ?? I mean the suffering servant of God is God himself??
@@tikus_pithi1804
There were apparently ancient Jews who believed in such an idea. This is an interpretation of the Son of Man concept found in works like the Book of Enoch and 4 Ezra.
@You Say
This is stupid. We're talking about establishing the origin of the Suffering Servant-Messiah concept. If we can find this interpretation supported in sources that have, if anything, an anti-Christian bias then that is pretty strong evidence for the view that it's not just a convenient Christian invention.
@antony Sebastian
I responded to this. Singer is not a scholar of Judaism, he's a Jewish missionary. I quoted Daniel Boyarin, who is a recognized and respected Jewish scholar of Judaism, showing that the interpretation of Isaiah 53 as referring to the Messiah was the dominant interpretation among late-ancient Jews and perhaps the majority view throughout Jewish history.
Salams Paul. I have been addicted to your videos lately! I would just like to ask that do you have any book that shows proof of Moses (pbuh) and lifetime etc. Usually I don’t really seem to have any issues regarding with the beliefs of Islam but this has been in my head for days so hopefully you’ll see this comment and respond. Keep doing good!
what kind of proof do you mean?
@@BloggingTheology proof in the historical perspective as it is usually overlooked. Just wondering if you may possess evidence of his existence from a historical view etc.
@@zavar3485 Hey this video talks about the pharoah of Moses from the Qur'anic perspective.
th-cam.com/video/8BtpzK9qGPo/w-d-xo.html
@@zavar3485 There hasn't been any evidence found yet of the existence of Moses from the Secular HCM. But God did send a book confirming he existed tho, seems more reliable.
Yes. It is.
Even some of the Rabbis believed this was a Messianic prophecy.
Paul rocks...
Haters are already flocking...
Shut up and take my money 😂😂😂
@@ekkopoohbear9236
Well known trolls like CP are doing it for decades...
And they spread lies and hate.
Like bees to nectar, they are coming to "learn" from our Paul, InshaAllah.
From the Booklet titled "The Jewish Response to
a Christian Challenge" by Rabbi Michael Skobac (page 32).
"Many Christian commentaries to Isaiah concede that this
chapter is not about the Messiah or about Jesus.
They understand that the Servant here is the nation of Israel (see
The New Interpreter’s Study Bible; The HarperCollins Study
Bible; The New English Bible (Oxford Study Edition); and
Christopher R. North, The Suffering Servant in Deutero-Isaiah:
An Historical and Critical Study, London, Oxford University
Press, 1956).
Why would they take such a view if the chapter
were clearly portraying Jesus as the Messiah?
Please watch the debate between Bart Ehrman vs Craig Evans as well as with James White.
Great debate indeed! James White took Bart to school bad!
@@Ttcopp12rt Q & A session is my favourite.
"For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness." Romans 10:2-3.
Interesting that you should reference the liar and charlatan Paul. In that very same chapter, Romans 10, Paul misrepresents God's Holy Word (as he did so often) and changes Scripture. Who in the world would do that?!? Only an evil person would change God's Word. In Deut. 30:8-14 God says: "And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the Lord, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day. And the Lord thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the Lord will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
Paul once again lied when he quoted the Hebrew scriptures to the unlearned gentiles. In Romans 10:8 he says: “But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.” That is NOT what the word of God says. It says "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest DO IT."
Paul was not an apostle. Only he claimed this. How many apostles did Jesus appoint? Twelve. And, looking forward in time, how many apostles did Jesus (through John, Rev. 21:14) say he has? "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the TWELVE APOSTLES of the Lamb." Jesus, again through John, commended the Ephesians in Rev. 2:2 when he said: "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.” There can be no doubt that he was referring to Paul and his cohorts. Paul even laments this in 2 Tim. 1:15 when he said "This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me."
Paul was a liar and a charlatan. There are many instances in the NT where you can catch Paul lying.
Objections to assumptions that Isaiah 53 is referring to a people:
1. The servant of Lord, pictured in the text, is first referred as the Arm of the Lord, but who is not recognized as such. Isaiah 53 : 1 "Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the Arm of the LORD been revealed ?"
If He is the Arm of the Lord, The Arm of the Lord is all powerful as God is all powerful, therefore it cannot be a people, because no people is all powerful.
2. Isaiah 53 : 8 "By oppression and by judgement He was taken away. Yet who of His generation protested? For He was cut off from the land of the living, FOR THE TRANSGRESSIONS OF MY PEOPLE, HE was punished". So that individual bears the transgressions of God's people among others. But if it is God's people who is bearing the transgressions of God's people, how can they also bear the transgressions of others as alluded in verse 12 and in Isaiah 52 : 15 ?
3: Isaiah 53 : 5 : "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed."
The servant of the Lord was "pierced". I thank God because He makes His Word clear enough for those who put their hope in Him.
4.Isaiah 53: 3-4_: "Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted, But he was pierced for our transgressions,...". So He the Servant of the Lord is "considered" bearing the punishment for His own transgressions whereas in fact he was bearing the punishment for the transgressions of others. I don't know where this applies to a people, because the one supposedly referred here was deported in Babylon because of their transgressions. The punishment on the people was not assumed or "considered" as such, it was a fact, prophesied before it happened.
5. In the previous chapter that introduces the Servant of the Lord it is said in Isaiah 52 : 15 : "so He will sprinkle many nations..." in reference to the prophecy of Ezekiel 36 : 25 : "I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols." How can a people sprinkle clean "many nations", if that people itself had impurities. The Servant of the Lord had to be spotless to provide purification to "many nations", and many nations means what it says: many nations.
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Stephane Amani
You quoted Isaiah 53 : 1 but did you consider Verse 12?
Isa 53:12
Therefore will I (God) DIVIDE him (Jesus) a PORTION with the GREAT, and he (Jesus) shall DIVIDE the spoil with the STRONG; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
This Verse portrays Jesus EQUAL with those that are called "THE GREAT". WHO are they, that get EQUAL portions with Jesus? If Jesus is god then why does GOD NOT give it all to Jesus so that he can divide the spoil to whomever he pleases?
Why does Jesus ONLY has the POWER to divide his portion with the "STRONG"? Who are the "STRONG"?
@@Toronado2 The "strong" in this context = the spiritually strong, that is the humble who inherit eternal life in verse 53:10 "he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;" - the 'offspring" are his spiritual offspring and these are described as the 'strong' in verse 12. You should realise that this where Jesus taught his disciples that they will be ruling with him in the coming Kingdom! They will be the offspring and the strong!
@@peaceinjesus5221
That was a two part question. The main part was the first part. The second part was to show that the FIRST part proved Jesus was NOT GOD. Let me re-ask the question and this time answer it properly if you want to take on the task that Stephan cared not to do because he realized the result. Which you apparently tried to bypass.
Why does Jesus ONLY have the POWER to divide his PORTION with the "STRONG"?
So give it another try.
@@Toronado2 Because the "strong" are those spiritual offspring who have been made strong in Christ. Note that the word "only" is your word insertion - it has nothing to do with the text!
"Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors." (Isaiah 53:12)
>> your word "strong" is not any part of the text but merely your own imaginary insertion! This is why your question: "Why does Jesus ONLY have the POWER to divide his PORTION with the "STRONG"?" is completely irrelevant to the text.
@@peaceinjesus5221
Don't act like you don't understand, it makes Christians look unintelligent. Unless that is what you intend.
Isa 53:12
Therefore will I (God) DIVIDE him (Jesus) a PORTION with the GREAT, and he (Jesus) shall DIVIDE the spoil with the STRONG; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Now tell me again why Jesus gets to DIVIDE ONLY HIS PORTION? You don't like the word ONLY because you say I inserted it? Then, that was for emphasis to make it clear. Jesus does NOT receive the FULL spoil! The Verse CLEARLY indicates that GOD has full control of the spoil and DIVIDES as HE WILLS. And Jesus gets His SHARE of it and can ONLY distribute His SHARE that "GOD" has given Him.
If you are going to continue with twiddling your fingers then that will ONLY reflect on your intellect.
This is a perfect and classic example of heretical sects corrupting and forging the texts to fit their Narrative.
6:00 wrong, what about the Messianic Prophecies that were to happen after thousands of years?
Thanks. At last context gets a hearing.
If I understand Bart Ehrman right, he claims that the survant in Jes 53 is Israel.
In 53:9 Isaiah claims ”He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.”
Does this sound like Israel? Was it not because of their sins Israel were ”destroyed and exiled by the Babylonians”.
Absolutely! ....but we don't talk about that!! We hide that kind of thing and pretend that Israel was wonderful and the 'Servant' who is buried in a rich man's grave!....funny that for a nation eh?
@@peaceinjesus5221 why was jesus baptised? If jesus was made JUST LIKE all humans, in all theiy ways ad Hebrews say. Then he myst have haf sinned, or at least inclided to sin a little bit for genesis says all humans have evil thoughts.
Is not true that on verses after 40 he predicted that a son from the Keder's descendants would become a Prophet? So, if these verses are rejected, it means to reject the prediction. I like one person or Paul to let me know. Thanks
Love u a lot bro ❤💝💖
WHICH IS THE HIGHEST EYE IF ONE ISAIAH THAN THE OTHER?
ha! ha! But you've got it wrong old boy. The prophet had his portrait painted, but he wasn't very pleased with it when it was shown to him. "What's wrong with it?" asked the painter. "One Isaiah than the other". (ho ho ho).
Islam The Beautiful Religion
( Be Just )
Quran 5:8
'' O you who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the > HATRED OF OTHERS TO YOU < make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. ''
Quran 4:58
'' Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing.''
( God's The Rules Of War )
Quran 2:190
'' Fight in the way of God > THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU < but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. ''
Quran 2 :193
'' And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. ''
Quran 4:90
''.........So if they withdraw from you and cease their hostility and offer you peace, in that case Allah has not granted you permission to fight against them.''
Quran 8:61
''And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.''
( Stand Up For Justice )
Quran 4 :135
'' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against > YOURSELVES < or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.''
( Who Are The Good Human Beings? )
Quran 2.177
'' Righteousness is "NOT" that you turn your faces ( in worship ) toward the east or the west but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in God, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth,> IN SPITE OF LOVE FOR IT,< to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for > freeing slaves < [and who] establishes prayer and gives charity; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. ''
( Freedom To Believe And To Reject )
Quran 2:256
'' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error ''
Quran 10:99
'' And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed > all of them entirely < Then would you compel the people in order that they become believers? ''
( Tolerance For Other Religions )
Quran 109: 1- 6
Say,"O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshipers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
( Protection for Idol Worshiper )
Quran 9:6
"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are people who do not know. "
Quran16:125
“Call people to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good teaching, and argue with them in the most courteous way”
Quran7:199 “Be tolerant....”
( Friendship With Non Muslims )
Quran 60:8
'' God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. ''
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,-> ANY { On Judgement Day }
( According to the Quran Christians and Jews worship TRUE God )
(Quran 3:113-114)
'' Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book ( Christians and Jews ) are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.''
Note: According to the Quran that Jesus is not God nevertheless Christians still worship one '' TRUE '' God.
( > Allah < Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a > single nation < But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you;(scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God; then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you > DISPUTE submission < to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (Salvation)''
My explanation of above verse
Islam mean > submission < to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the > MUSLIM < and the Non-Muslims but total > submission < to God.)
Question: How Can Muslim And the > Non-Muslim < > submit < to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
( God Allow Muslims To Marry And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5;5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture ( Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture ( Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.''
( Kindness Toward Atheists / > APOSTATE < )
Quran 60:8
'' As for such [ of the unbelievers ( atheist) ] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, > Allah < does not forbid you to show them > kindness < and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, Allah loves those who act equitably. ''
( All The Terrorists / Killers Will Enter Hell Fire )
Quran 5:32
"......Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely......"
( Turned Your Enemies Into Your Awesome Friends )
Quran 41:34
"The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend."
( The Husband and The Wife Are > Protecting Friends < One Of Another )
Quran 9:71
''And the believers, men and women, are > Protecting Friends < one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey God and His messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Lo! God is Mighty, Wise.''
Quran16:97
“To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith, We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions.
Quran 30:21
“And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you > affection and mercy { Love }
The Prophet Muhammad said, “The best among you is the best to his wife”
( Human Are One Big family )
Quran 49:13
" O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."
( All The Racist People Will Enter Hellfire )
Quran 30:22
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge."
My conclusion:
The > BASIC < message of God to the human is that '' YOU '' believe in God and be kind to other human beings / > animals < and in the > RETURNED < God will > REWARD < you with a new life in Paradise.
* The Quran ONLY guides you how to become a good human being "Nothing Else".
* You are a good human being or a bad human being that is YOUR choice.
* No one can force you to become a good human being.
* You MUST work HARD to become a good human being.
* Why should ''YOU'' do good deeds and avoid bad deeds?
* Do Good - it's for You. Do Bad - It's against you.
* '' YOUR'' life is a TEST from God that you will choose to do either Good or Bad.
* Find the excuse to help others and forgive others NOT the other way around.
* '' YOUR '' final destination is either Hell or Heaven.
* So work HARD toward choice of YOUR destination.
Quran 17:7
'' If you do good, you will do so for your own good. And if you do evil, it will be to your own loss.''
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Quran is a great brochure. If you want the truth, go to the Hadith.
@@johnrevelation1070 lol
I have as much chance of reading and understanding the bible as I do as reading a medical textbook that a professor of medicine would read.
The difference is I know this but the penny has yet to drop for most Christians.
A bit of useless information here
Isaiah has 66 chapters divided by 1 to 39 an 40 to 66
Well the old testament gas 39 books and the new testament has 27
39+27=66
may Allah guide and give knowledge more you. Allah bless upon you. ameen
The Servant is named in Isaiah 54:16 and his name is Smith. His first Spirit was killed in Isaiah 53 and he lost his Soul, but gets his Soul back with a new Spirit. This new Spirit is conceived with the mind of the man Smith and a piece of the head of the real Heaven and a female. When this Spirit is born 7.5 years later the Lord of hosts marries this new Spirit. These 2 Spirits of the Smith are the God of the Earth, which is why he is being blamed for the transgression of man.
how can god die in first place🤯
because it was a fairytale pokemon God..not the real God
if you are willing I will like to us to follow the logical conclusion of such. (I am a christian)
@@teachmetheway7081 logical conclusion was they killed not neither was he crucified, God lifted him up above into the heavens and he will be brought down again one day to kill the antichrist
@@fidelcatsro6948 let's peg back a bit!
i want us to walk through the logic instead of jumping to the normal christian or muslim responses.
moonlight light asked
How can god die in first place?
the next logical question might be
why can't god die?...
if you are willing or anyone please give me what might be the next logical step be it a question or answer. ideally answer in this case
@@teachmetheway7081 why can't god die? because of something called a paradox. by Gods own admission he is eternal and immortal (we see many proofs of this in all 3 abrahamic books). If he is immortal, he then cannot die as he would no longer immortal. If God died, it would show that 1 he is weak. 2 he is a liar or changed his mind, and 3 he can be killed by his own creation and is no longer an immortal entity. This is the logical conclusion. God does not lie. God does not die. He is all knowing, eternal, and ever lasting.
Brother I think you should make a video about Isaiah 42.Amazing lecture❤️
Only Mohammad pbuh fits
@@monoth4555 yes indeed.
@@DK-nq9wv I'ma not gonna make the sheep understand am i? D K you have the wrong shepherd.
Christians should also read the preceding chapters of Isaiah before cherry picking and jumping to conclusion
@Shalom Shalom
In hebrew means Mushlam (מושלם) a spiritually disciplined person
Ohhhh the Christians will not like that video but I love it keep up the good work thank you so much for your efforts 😊
No like it
Mr know it all, please can you tell me who is the messiah the Isrealites are waiting that was prophesied ? You can ask your master Bart Ehrman .
The Jews tell us the expected messiah would rule as king and bring peace and justice to people. I’ll leave it to you to decide if Jesus fulfilled those expectations or not.
@@BenM61 I would suggest not to wait for their fulfillment to get on board. If one of their greatest rabbis could leave a note to be read after he died that Jesus was the messiah you should decide if that is enough of an evidence coming from a RABBI to go with!
@@BenM61 And also note that waiting for the Jews to tell you ALL the signs of the messiah would be like waiting for Godot. Where it clearly says messiah would be cut off they would surely deny all because Jesus is the only Jew with the strongest claim to messiahship who was killed("cut-off" having no one).
@@BenM61 thats why hes returning. To fulfill that prophecy.
Hello Paul. Watched a few of your videos and developed an inclination towards the content. You cannot clarify anything more than you already have. Now you know more than an average anybody in the subject of monotheism. Perhaps more. Suppose we meet on the day of judgement, hope we do, i am definitely taking you to meet Ibrahim, the true monotheist. He will be glad to meet you. You are doing what he was sent to do. Clarifying and teaching verses of God and imparting wisdom. He will be good company until the questioning begins. He is going to direct us towards Muhammad only because we are from Muhammad's nation. But still it will be a moment of bliss to see Ibrahim in person, on the way.
Plz can someone clear my doubt on Isaiah 9:6 plz I'm begging.
what is your doubt?
@@BloggingTheology ooohh sorry I forgot to reply you ok, cleared
Brother Paul, please do a video about the mentionning of ishmaelites in the bible and the predictions of the coming of Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon Him ( Isaiah 42 verse 10and 11)
10 Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the end of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that fills it,
The coastlands and their inhabitants.
11 Let the desert and its cities lift up their voice,
the villages that Kedar inhabits;
let the habitants of Sela sing for joy,
let them shout from the top of the mountains.( Kedar is a son of Ishmael and Sena is a mountain near Medina where Prophet Muhammad made his Hijra ( migration)
Isaiah 53 according to rabbis is about King Messiah.. Isaiah 53:2 specifically points to Zechariah 6:12 which is the Branch: King Messiah. Yehovah our Righteousness
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So nice to see many muslims praise your view, while at the same time you totally destroy their claims that Mo is predicted in the Bible 🤣 think about it!
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@@merlinx8703 ah... Another video of flogging theology! Dude, this guy doesn't know the Bible, he's on the level of a muslim apologist.
@@henkh63 firstly Paul is a muslim
secondly Paul is very learned in the christian tradition
3rd you are just salty because your viewpoint is challenged
4th here is a video by a rabbi on isaiah 53
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@@merlinx8703 I'm not salty, just not interested. Besides, you didn't react on my first response... Did you think about what I said?
@@henkh63 you commented on the video of blogging theology so you must be interested
did you watch the video by tovia singer?
what question did you ask?
Not entirely true because Ezekiel did predict future events and also Enoch.
Then you have Jesus being different from others prophets in that he had a precursor prophet , John the Baptist (whose sole purpose seemed to be preparing the arrival of Jesus).
If the psalms call him “servant” then this proves prophethood and not “god”.
He is a prophet,not god😊
If someone wants to be great about you he must first serve these are the words of Jesus and that is the example God wanted to set for mankind
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Insanity. It would be way easier for the romans to pull a hadrian move and kill every last one of them than for them to humiliate themselves and completely change their society.
There are some problems with this presentation. But in short, the predominant view of Jews prior to AD 500 was that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah.
You wrote: "Origen, a prominent and influential church father, conceded in the year 248 CE - eight centuries before Rashi was born - that the ***consensus*** among the Jews in his time was that Isaiah 53 “bore reference to the whole [Jewish] people"
I've read that passage, and nowhere does it say that it is the "consensus" of the Jews. Only that the particular Jew in question told Origen it was about Israel:
jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/is-it-true-that-jews-interpreted-isaiah-53-as-referring-to-the-messiah-before-rashi
Why the misleading claim? This isn't the first time I've noticed you do this.
Also, we have attestation of the Jewish belief that this Isaiah passage DOES refer to the Messiah from BEFORE the time of Origen. We find it in the highly-regarded 2nd century Jewish Aramaic translation/interpretation of the Bible, Targum Jonathan:
הָא יַצְלַח עַבְדִי מְשִׁיחָא
"Behold, my Servant, the Messiah, shall prosper..." -- Isaiah 52:13 (beginning of Isaiah 53 passage)
הָא עַבְדִי מְשִׁיחָא
"Behold, my Servant, the Messiah" -- Isaiah 42:1
www.sefaria.org/Targum_Jonathan_on_Isaiah.52.13?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en
Anyway, since you respect scholarship, the following is what the Jewish scholar of Judaism, Daniel Boyarin, writes about Isaiah 53:
"Aside from one very important--but absolutely unique--notice in Origen's Contra Celsum, there is no evidence at all that any late ancient Jews read Isaiah 52-53 as referring to anyone but the Messiah. There are, on the other hand, several attestations of ancient rabbinic readings of the song as concerning the Messiah and his tribulations. The Palestinian Talmud, commenting on the Biblical passage, "And the land shall mourn" (Zechariah 12:12), cites two Amoraic opinions: one amora who interprets "This is the mourning over the Messiah" and one who disagrees, arguing that it is the mourning over the sexual desire (that has been killed in the Messianic age) (PT Sukkah 5:2 55b).
There are, moreover, traditions in the Babylonian Talmud and thus attested from the fourth to sixth centuries A.D. (but very likely earlier), the most famous and explicit of which is Sanhedrin 98b. Referring to the Messiah, the Talmud asks there openly, "What is his name?" and various names are proffered by different rabbis. After several different views, we find: "And the Rabbis say, 'the leper' of the House of Rabbi is his name, for it says, 'Behold, he has borne our disease, and suffered our pains, and we thought him smitten, beaten by God and tortured' [Isa. 53:4]." We see here both the vicarious suffering of the Messiah and the use of Isaiah 53 to anchor the idea. This midrash (or one very like it) is what lies behind the heartrending image that appears only one page earlier in the Talmud of the Messiah sitting at the gates of Rome among the poor and those who suffer from painful disease. They all loosen and bind their bandages at one time, and he loosens and binds them one at a time, saying: "Perhaps I will be needed and I don't want to delay." Thus, the Messiah too, ever mindful of his soteriological mission, suffers from the same disease and painful tortures of the indigent and sick of Rome."
[...]
"There are also various medieval Jewish commentators, among them figures marginal to rabbinic Judaism (but hardly suspected of Christian leanings) such as the Karaite Yefet ben Ali, who clearly understand the Isaiah text and its suffering servant as about the Messiah. The early modern Kabbalist Rabbi Moshe Alshekh, also a spotlessly "orthodox" rabbinite teacher, writes, "I may remark, then, that our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the King Messiah, and we ourselves also adhere to the same view." The intellectual giant of Spanish Jewry, Rabbi Moses ben Nahman, concedes that according to the midrash and the rabbis of the Talmud, Isaiah 53 is entirely about the Messiah, but he dissents."
-- Boyarin, D., The Jewish Gospels, The New Press, 2012, pp. 152-155
are there any jews before the time of Jesus who believed that Isaiah 53 referred to the messiah?
@@iihamed711
We don't have extant Jewish commentary on the passage from that time. The earliest Jewish commentary we have on the passage that I'm aware of is Targum Jonathan, from the around 150-200 AD, which states that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah. But the pervasiveness and ancient-attestation of the interpretation is indicative of ancient provenance. Jews are not going to adopt, and in such vast numbers, an interpretation so central to Christianity. It would be like the the majority of the most authoritative theologians of Christianity agreeing that Isaiah 42 is about Muhammad.
@@ConsideringPhlebas
So the servant of God, is actually God himself, how does that make any sense in the first place, just like the Passage in Deutetonomy where God says he will raise up a "Prophet", is supossed to be God himself, completely rubbish, and please dont bring up that 2 nature issue, because you will fall in to a heresy called Nestorianism.
@@Oxygen11115
No, Christ having two natures in one person is the orthodox view. Nestorianism says that Christ was two persons, the divine person and the human person.
That Deuteronomy passage is most likely referring to Joshua and subsequent prophets anyway.
And he's the servant of God the Father, being himself the Son.
@@ConsideringPhlebas
Is say this because alot of Christians when trying to explain the divinity of Jesus fall in to nestorianism
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.”(John 13:16)
If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.( John 14:28)
This clearly contradicts the creeds of the Church.
Praise be to the One who has guided us and
made us Muslims bowing to His Will. It is truly the
greatest tragedy of human history that over a billion
Christians stand alienated from the truth of Islam over a
theology that is not even found in their own scripture.
There is only one God, and
Abraham, Moses, Noah, David, Jesus, Muhammad are
the Messengers of God.
Of course if one views the Bible as real revelations containing real prophecies, they will view it as such and will see the clear evidences for the predictions, but if one has an atheistic view and does not believe in the idea of prophecies, they Must assume they do not refer to future predictions.
Same is true of other scriptures as the Gospels, Mark is dated to be from 70 A.D why? Because in it Jesus accurately predicts the future destruction of the Temple which occured at 70 A.D. So as we can see if one does not believe in Revelation they will come to conclusion according to such a view.
Jesus himself read from the book of Isaiah at the temple and he confirmed it spoke of HIM and he came to fulfill those prophecies. Jesus represents Israel, "The King of the Jews" which is why he is called Israel, similarly was true of other great Kings such as David who also represented Israel.
Asalamu alaykum brother do you know if Yasua is Backwards for Eesa in order to mock him by his enemies? Do you have any research on this?
So who is the person qualify for that isiah 53, who come to temple of god riding a donkey? Before abraham came " i am" by saint mark. This my beloved son whom i am so pleased by saint john,
If you want an Scholarly explanation from an Hebrew speakin Orthodox Jew that became Christian, then watch Dr.Michael Brown on Isaiah 53.
@@agadirand4four347 and the best scribe of muhhamed left Islam. What are we to do with that?
@@kingofjudah6875
Would you like to mention he left islam because of lust?
And would you like to mention how he died?
Does your one sided brainwashed mind know how he died?
He died in prayer as a muslim
@@mahadahmedbaloch he left because he was a better prophet than muhhamed himself and muhhamed was copying his words and puting them in the Quran. As for lust, he had no reason to leave Islam because islam is all about lust. You have a free pass on everything... from children to your adopted son wife to captive married women and houris in heaven. Islam and lust are one, if he left then he missed all the houris in heaven...
@@kingofjudah6875 we have a free pass??your bloody hilariou,did he not die for your sins according to you,has he not payed the price??as long as you believe,regardless of deed aren't you saved??that is the Christian belief,no thats a Free pass lol
@@Lindaeditz8 Jesus said to repent and turn around from our sins, you on the other hand can outweight your bad deeds with good deeds and kiss the black stone to atone for your sins. In Christianity there is nothing for us to in order to atone for our sins, Jesus payed the price of our sins but if we dont repent and be born again, we go to Hell.
Very knowledgeable! May Allah bless you
Yes, Isaiah 53 is absolutely about Yeshua. Compare also with Isaiah 63:9.
It is the Lord that saves. Man cannot save himself. The Lord performed signs and wonders through men like Moses and Aaron because they trusted in the Lord (not in themselves) to save them and guide them.
All of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. There is none that does good.
It has always been by faith, for Abraham believed God and it (Abraham's faith) was accounted to him for righteousness. Isaac was the child of faith, because they believed in God to keep his promise. Not Ishmael who was the child of works.
@39abat Jesus was a physical offspring of Abraham. Jesus came through Abraham's line of descendants.
Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane. But when the soldiers arrested him he went willingly to the cross. When questioned by Pilate he did not protest his innocence, even though He was innocent. Jesus is the Lamb of God without blemish. Without sin. The perfect Passover Lamb to take away the sin of the world. When Jesus said "My Lord, My Lord, Why have you forsaken me?" he was not crying out to God as is generally taught. He was referencing Psalm 22. He was showing that he was fulfilling yet another messianic prophecy. Even in death, Jesus was still thinking of us.
@39abat Hi, no worries. What verse says "he will see his seed?" I dont know what you are referring to here.
Jesus is Abraham's descendant in the flesh because his lineage geneology can be traced back to Abraham. See Matthew 1:1. The tanakh also prophesies of his lineage.
Psalm 22 Is a messianic prophesy. In Jesus' day, it was common for the Jews to recite the first line of a particular passage of scripture since they didn't break it into chapter and verse. Therefore, its likely that when Jesus quoted the first line of what we see today as psalm 22, Jesus was giving his hearers a "reference point" to another particular prophecy that he fulfilled. In the psalm it references a parting of and casting lots for my garments, which is what the soldiers did after Jesus' death. The psalm also says "they pierced my hands and feet." Another clear reference to the crucifixion. These things did not happen to David.
In psalm 110, David says "The Lord said to my Lord; sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool."
What do you think that means?
Confused people... there are no "gods" in flesh and to believe as such is spiritual treason. Faith without works is dead and no amount of dying on a cross will extinguish this fact. There is coming a time in which Jesus is going to DENY equality with God (trinity) and will reject those that called him Lord (God).
@@hassanmuhammad2799 I follow God's word and none of what you claim is biblical. In Genesis God says Let US make man in OUR image.
Interesting subject . To me the figure we are searching here is neither Jesus nor the last prophet Muhammad ( Saw ).
That is because Qu’ran doesn’t tell us that Jesus Suffered the crucifixes . Not the last Prophet suffered Allah’s assault.
Most likely it is a prophecy by an Hebrew author in the bible about the their last prophet who is Messiah.
I wonder why Paul never mentioned Isaiah 53 in any of his letters, even though he was highly learned in the Torah and Jewish Traditions. However, he still preached that Jesus was the Messiah and God in the flesh. Even Bart Erman agrees with this. So, regardless if Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus or not, the NT is still littered with references as Jesus as the Messiah. Again, even Bart Erman agrees with this notion. I pray all Muslims wake up to the truth.
Dear Paul after all you sduding what do you think the correct religion is . Because God says hell is a wretched place it is ended and it's for eternity i have meat beautiful English people i would like them to be come Muslim but i don't have a magic wond can you do it paul please
He will see his offspring and God will prolong his days. ( You won't hear that part in Church) It also says he calls him from the ends of the earth, meaning future, and goes on the say it reminds him of the days of Noah, meaning hold on, she's gonna blow! This servant will live through the destruction, as did Noah, My opinion
Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?2He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.3He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.4Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.6We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.7He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.8By oppression [1] and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [2]9He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.10Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes [3] his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.11After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light [of life] [4] and be satisfied [5] ; by his knowledge [6] my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, [7] and he will divide the spoils with the strong, [8] because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
As I demonstrate in the video, this is in the past tense and refers to Israel in exile.
@@BloggingTheology so then what would verse 8 mean?
@@BloggingTheology then verse 8 means what in context?
@@BloggingTheology verse 8 means what? IF ISRAEL IS THE SUBJECT VERSE 8 MEANS WHAT?
@@BloggingTheology houhouuuuuuu!!!! anybody home???? What does verse 8 mean??
It does not say he would die. Muslims think this verse argues that Jesus pbuh was not crucified or dead. I read it before and do think it says the coming Prophet would die.
Hey check this, there were two jesus named people in the bible, and see how it fits what the Quran says There were TWO JESUS during the crucifixion? Dr. Jerald Dirks on the Deen Show
check commnts
th-cam.com/video/hwWi2H4bVX0/w-d-xo.html
Wow I’m 2 1/2 minutes in and he still didn’t tell me what his opinion is
Muhammad peace & blessings be on him as his faith is from mt selah or Medina and a light to nations, as Arabia is a peninsula & spread from Sprain to China, prophecy with a unique answer, He's from Kedar of Ismael who Jesus said Kingdom goes to due to crucifiction sin in mathew 21 :43 - the fruitful describes Ismael in genesis 17 : 20. Isaiah 49 talks how Jesus leaves his tribe as he was only sent to them in mathew 15 :24 and when he returns he will follow light to nations describing Islam in isiah 42 and how he leaves his tribe and joins Arabs singing in mountains like isiah 42!
Isaiah 42 also talks about singing Arabs in the mountains.
Please make a video about Isaiah 42
Thank you for clarifying this crucial text brother Paul, may God bless you😊
@antony Sebastian Ok I will have a look brother, thanks 👌🏼
If he had really clarified this text he would not have darkened it by saying that prophets speak only of their immediate times. If so then your prophet muhammad could never speak of barefoot penniless arabs building tall buildings.
Tovia Singer is not as credible as the deceased Rabbi Yitzhak Khaduri. Read what Khaduri wrote about who the messiah is. Tovia will only tell you what he wants you to hear. Let me make it clearer , if Jesus Christ owned TH-cam he would tell you Cyrus The Great really owns it. He defends so fiercely his view that he forgets this life among other things is about truth finding and living. Truth isn't a pillow for us to lay our weary head. It is the alarm bell that wakes you up from slumber!
Nevertheless regard what Isaiah 50:11 declares:
"But now, all you who light fires
and provide yourselves with flaming torches,
go, walk in the light of your fires
and of the torches you have set ablaze.
This is what you shall receive from my hand:
You will lie down in torment.
"
Paul the video guy i am telling you does not enlighten. He darkens and blocks. It seems like light but it is progressive darkness. all the same consider Khaduri. He had much more credibility in life than Tovia Singer may ever have.(speaking prophetically you can say)
@@teachmetheway7081 wow, you are a great scholar.
@@KT-ht2xj Thanks for the words. By the grace of God Almighty and the Holy Spirit I am able to function.
@@KT-ht2xj i dont know if you really compliment him or just being sarcastic 🤣
Christians leave out Mathew 26 :39 of how Jesus prostrates as a Muslim to not be crucified, psalms 22 :21 says his prayer is answered, psalms 116 or 91 how angels will carry him away, or paul in acts 9 :3 saw devil of luke 10 :18 and ppl didn't know at first if Jesus was crucified as witnesses contradict or thesalonians 2 : 9 of how wicked see visions!
How do you acknowledge the the Servant Songs are about Israel, yet believe that Isaiah 42 is a prophecy about Muhammad? I want to revert and this is a genuine question.
please explain Isaiah 42.
Have you the courage to do a commentary on Isaiah 63 ...
Isaiah 53 is absolutely a Messianic prophecy, you have to read chapters 41-60 to get the full context.
Is this in the nature of God? He does not do things that are inconsistent with being the Creator, most High. Apply the same logic to God manifesting himself as a man. A man who hurts, cries, prays and in fact, can be killed
Did I hear this right? So if a prophet speaks only of their present therefore Muhammad is not or could not be prophesied in the Bible. Thank you JESUS. Thank you Lord. You use the foolish things of this world to confound 'the wise'!
To @TeachMe TheWay
Is that why you are still dumbfounded?
@@Toronado2 And you still are busted.
Say what Muhammed really thought of Women. SAY IT. ANSWER ANSWER ANSWER.
Muhammad says one woman worth half of a man
Muhammad says beat her at the last resort for disobedience
ANSWER FOR YOUR 'SEAL OF PROPHETS'!!
To @@teachmetheway7081
Like I said those questions have been answered by Muslims already, go to any Muslim site. And they have been answered by Muslims on these sites. Answer these. This is Jesus in the New Testament
1) He LIED TWICE in the New Testament
2) Jesus saves Himself and let's other children die.
3) Jesus calls himself Satan
4) His Father LIED in the New Testament
If Jesus is HOLY why he do these things like a common sinner?
@@Toronado2 We don't care about what the muslim sites say. We want to hear YOU!!
It can’t be talking about “Israel”, because that doesn’t make sense when applied to this sentence...
“so shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.”
Isaiah 52:15 KJV
It’s an undeniable truth that Jesus was presented to the Jews, the Son, by God. something they had never seen previously. The things he said had never been heard before, things such as “Love your enemy” “bless those who curse you” and everything he said, they did consider.
Paul, you also bring up the idea that this was talking about someone that had already suffered in Isaiah’s time. This doesn’t correspond with this...
“For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.”
Isaiah 53:2 KJV
Notice it’s talking about one that is to come? Remember...
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:8
The whole prophecy is mixed with past and future tense verbs. It’s clearly referring to Christ, speaking in Revelation saying “who is and who was and who is to come”, this is INDISPUTABLE Paul.
Any Muslim that sees wisdom in this man, you forget what was written about the thoughts of men. This man quotes scholars as if the LORD our GOD has not declared...
“The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, That they are vanity.”
Psalm 94:11 KJV
Consider these things, all the Muslims out there, when watching this man rely so heavily on “biblical scholars”.
This man is full of deceit. His contempt for Christ is painfully obvious to any Christian. With that being said, consider this, friends...
“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
Daniel 12:2 KJV
This man is the latter, be not deceived by him. He is a worker of division and iniquity.
Turn to Christ. Learn of Him. Trust Him.
@39abat I’m not your brother.
@39abat “he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
1 Timothy 6:4-5 KJV
@39abat You WOULD be my brother if you recognised Christ as your saviour. You don’t. Look...
“He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.”
Matthew 12:30 KJV
I’d love to call you a brother in Christ.
It is clear that IIsrael s the suffering servant but fundamentalists reject that because they are stubborn, all the Bible OT and NT are written by God. There is nothing one can do.
Servent of Yahwah Allahenu ( Lord our G-d ) ie Mohammed saw in Isaiah 42, isaiah 53 , isaiah 52 , isaiah 60 , Isaiah 61, isaiah 64
Issac 53 is a verse that hurts a lot of ppl believes. Because it clearly describes Jesus as the suffering servant. So it must be changed, misinterpreted , maybe these people can delete it forever and ever. So you can prove your point. Right ?. Please...you will only hurt yourself more....look around
Who will be the seed? The people of Israel? . You must read the verse again. Dont buy that nonsense about a metaphora. It clearly talks about a sinless servant who was removed from the land of the living. Who was rejected and dispiced by HIS (Not theirs) own people. Israel was punished several times for transgressions against God. So it is not a sinless servant. Not trying to convince anyone. I respect your beliefs but this is a public topic about a centuries old argument.
Isaiah 53 is referring to the faithful remnant of Israel and not Jesus.
In Isaiah 53:2-8, the kings of nations continue to humbly express their heartfelt confession. Only now they finally conclude that the nation of Israel suffered throughout their long and bitter exile as a result of the mindless sins of their own citizens. In the past, these world leaders surmised that the Jews were stricken and smitten by God because they stubbornly rejected the gods of the other nations. But now, as they bear witness to the glorious messianic redemption, they are astounded. They will finally grasp that Israel suffered as a result of the destructive arrogance and devastating reckless behavior of their own peoples. From Isaiah 53:9 through the following powerful chapters, the God of Israel alone is speaking. The Gentiles are listening silently.
As in Isaiah 53, Isaiah 52 and 54 clearly identify Israel in the singular, suffering innocently as a result of the vile wickedness of the gentile nations. In addition, all three of these exhilarating chapters vividly describe the glorious redemption of Israel in full view of the gentiles, her former persecutors.
For example, in Isaiah 52:4 the prophet recounts that “Assyria oppressed him [Israel] without cause.” This central theme conveyed Isaiah 52 - the nation of Israel innocently suffered as a single individual at the hands of the gentiles - is precisely the same underlying topic of Isaiah 53.
In the following chapter, the motif remains unchanged. In Isaiah 54, the prophet recounts how Israel, in the singular, is “despised,” “forsaken,” and “afflicted.” These are the identical descriptions of the nation of Israel found in the previous chapter, Isaiah 53. Look at the following verses.
Isaiah 52:4(nkjv):
For thus says the Lord GOD: “My people went down at first Into Egypt to dwell there; Then the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.”
Isaiah 54:6-11(niv):
6 The LORD will call you back as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit- a wife who married young, only to be rejected,” says your God. 7 “For a brief moment I abandoned you,….” 9…. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again….” 11 “Afflicted city, lashed by storms and not comforted,…”
Above all verses clearly depict the nation of Israel as “despised, forsaken, afflicted” (Isaiah 54:6-11), and oppressed “without cause” (Isaiah 52:4) at the hands of the gentile nations.
Now read Isaiah 53:2 (nkjv):
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
This imagery of a tree struggling to grow in dry earth is a metaphor for the Jewish struggle in exile. A young tender plant in dry ground appears that it will die. The Jews were always a small nation, at times as small as 2 million people, threatened with extinction. In this verse Isaiah describes Israel's miraculous return from exile, like a tender plant that sprouts from this dry ground.
Isaiah 53:8 (nkjv):
….For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
The phrase “land of living” (Eretz HaChaim) refers specially to the land of Israel. Thus this verse “He was cut off from the land of the living” means exiled from the land of Israel.
Isaiah 53:8 concludes with their stunning confession, “for the transgressions of My people (the gentile nations) He (the Jews) was stricken.”
Now look, I am giving below more examples from the bible to support my explanations.
Again look, "the land of the living" means "the land of Israel". Look at the following verses of Psalm.
Psalm 27:13 (niv):
I remain confident of this: I will see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.
Psalm 52:5-6 (niv):
…. he will uproot you from the land of the living. 6 The righteous will see and fear; they will laugh at you,…
Psalm 142:5 (niv):
I cry to you, LORD; I say, “You are my refuge, my portion in the land of the living.”
Now read again Isaiah 53:8 (nkjv):
….For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
Now my question is that in Isaiah 53:8 who is confessing that "For the transgressions of My people He was stricken."
Who is confessing here?
Who is that "My"?
The answer is “the kings of gentile nations” which clearly shows that the term "He" is referring to the nation of Israel as a whole.
Now about Isaiah 53:10, what we have only seen so far for Isaiah 53:10 is the Christian translations, such as the KJV, or the NIV. But these translations are not accurate.
So before discussing this verse, we should go to the following website to try to get an accurate translation (not one designed to appear prophetic) for Isaiah 53:10 from Hebrew text to English text.
www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15984/jewish/Chapter-53.htm#v10
The Hebrew text is given as
יוַֽיהֹוָ֞ה חָפֵ֚ץ דַּכְּאוֹ֙
הֶֽחֱלִ֔י אִם־תָּשִׂ֚ים
אָשָׁם֙ נַפְשׁ֔וֹ יִרְאֶ֥ה
זֶ֖רַע יַֽאֲרִ֣יךְ יָמִ֑ים
וְחֵ֥פֶץ יְהֹוָ֖ה בְּיָד֥וֹ
יִצְלָֽח:
This is translated in Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 53:
And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution, he shall see children, he shall prolong his days, and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand.
Let's revisit the verse of Isaiah 53:10:
"He desired to oppress him and He afflicted him; if his soul would acknowledge guilt he would see offspring and live long days and the desire or God would succeed in his hand."
To clear your understanding more, let's revisit the verse of Isaiah 53:10 again:
"The servant must admit his wrongdoings (guilt). If the servant does this then he will have a long life with many descendants."
Now again read Isaiah 53:10 (KJV):
he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
In Isaiah 53:10, you can see that the servant is promised long life and seed. Let’s explore this verse of Isaiah 53:10.
To begin with, Jesus did not have any biological children. The Hebrew word זֶרַע (zerah), which appears in Isaiah 53:10 - it is the blessing bestowed on the servant - means “seed.” This Hebrew word can only refer to biological offspring when used in connection with a person’s children.
Again the Hebrew translated as "long life" is the phrase יַאֲרִ֣יךְ יָמִ֑ים (ya’arich yamim). Both the NIV and KJV have translated this as "prolong his days" -- which means lengthen his physical life. The New Living Translation has "He will enjoy a long life". Jesus did not live a long life. He probably died at about age 33.
So the passage says that the servant will live long life to see many physical offspring (children from his body) -- something that Jesus did not do either.
Jesus was not rewarded with children and a long life. So this is not a legitimate prophecy about Jesus.
Imagine if they had wrote The Messiah will endure all those things mentioned and crucified... then it would not have happened lol some of the things Jesus endured are also in the songs of psalms once you truly believe and accept Jesus you can see He is all over the old testament
1. “the prophets of the Hebrew Bible were not predicting things that were to happen hundreds of years in advance” Hmm, maybe read for yourself rather than from old Bart “The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.” Daniel 8:26
2. The Scriptures often use past and present tenses to describe the words of a future generation. Consider Zechariah 12:10, a future event being considered in the past tense” And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.” Zech 12:10
3. Rather than mention the Machiyach (Messiah) it uses the colourful and descriptive term for him “The Arm of YHVH“ Isa 53:1
4. There are 2 servants in Isaiah, Jacob (Israel) and the Suffering Servant (the Mashiyach). Consider the impossibility of Israel bearing the sin of Israel in verse 8 making no literary sense “By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished” Isaiah 53:8
I would suggest reading Isaiah 52:13 to 53:12 for yourself and ask how this could possibly be referring to anyone but Y’shua. Personal integrity may be challenged by doing so.
“and kings will shut their mouths because of Him” Isaiah 52:15
Bless you on your journey.
The Suffering Servant is indeed Prophet Jeremiah
IT is evident that the earliest Chrisians understood Isaiah 53 as prophetic of Jesus Christ - Read Acts 8v 32-35.
True, but not only that, Jesus himself believed it was about him - that's why he allowed himself to be crucified!
@@peaceinjesus5221 the jews who came LONG LONG before jesus did not belive it was a redemtion of sin. Thats not the mesiahs job. How deluded you are
@@AliAhmed-uy9wb re: "Thats not the mesiahs job" >> Incorrect. Now could you please share your knowledge of the Messiah? What is the Messiah's "job"?
@@peaceinjesus5221 dont act smart, we all know it. The messiah was meant to be a king appointed by The Creator. If it really that someone died for our sins, it would have been clear like s9mething like "your sin will be redeemed by the son of man, God your Creator will accept the son of man as a ransom for all sin".
By God is so Merciful when I ask gor forgivenes very sincerely, He forgives me.
@@AliAhmed-uy9wb I'm sorry for "acting smart". In fact, all I'm telling you here is that Jesus said he came to fulfil the Prophets and what he meant by that is that he was fulfilling prophecies written about him! As far as Jesus was concerned, he was fulfilling Isaiah 53, which is why he said in the gospels: "how is it written of the son of man, that he must be treated with such contempt?" - this was quoting Isaiah 53:3 " He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."
The only reason Jesus knew he was going to be crucified in the Garden of Gethsemane, when NO charge or sentence had been passed about him, was because of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 which told him he must be crucified. At the time of the Garden, no one knew Jesus was to be crucified....only Jesus! He knew he must die for the Redemption of man as told in Isaiah 53:12
*"because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."*
re: "If it really that someone died for our sins, it would have been clear like s9mething like "your sin will be redeemed by the son of man, God your Creator will accept the son of man as a ransom for all sin"." >> Yes - the above verse states this VERY CLEARLY!
Love and respect from bangladesh
Bart ehrman says isaiah 53 is not a reference to jesus
Bart Ehrman the atheist just likes to hear himself talk.
@@thedude9941 So does your pastor
Isaiah 53 is a double edged sword. It doesn't talk about what prophet, how they would suffer, etc. It could be mohammed, or veyr indeed jesus but it doesn't talk about crucifixion.
I was wondering why everything is in past tense 😬
4:30 Amen.
Great
Is this for Christians or Muslims? Most of the comments seem to be from Muslims.
To @missasinenomine
What do you think?
On judgment day, Jesus will see there work's
I'll see and know everything!
Jesus Christ is the Subject of Isaiah 53.
The second half of Isaiah portrays Israel as the failed Servant of Jehovah. Some of the harshest criticisms of Israel's wickedness in the Bible is found in Isaiah. Against that, is another Servant Who is righteous enough to bear the sins of the world.He is called Israel, and yet is seen as being distinct from Israel, and alongside Israel. His worldwide effect is marked by being the light of the Gentiles, bringing Jehovah's salvation to the ends of the world, bringing many to righteousness, bringing healing to the nations, being an astonishment to the Gentiles for His suffering for our sins.
This is describing, not the general righteous of Israel, but One, the most righteous of Israel, King Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. None of these worldwide effects can be attributed to the general righteous of Israel. Yet they happened, and are still happening. Jesus healed me, and is healing me of my wickedness to this day. He has and is healing millions around the world.
If Jesus is God, how can he be a SERVANT ??? And WHOSE servant is he, then ???
@@ilhamh4359 Understand the Trinity and the whole picture makes sense.
@@mikeyant2445
The tritnity doesn't say that Jesus is a servant but that all 3 (father, son, holy spirit) are EQUALLY God, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the son to be the servant of the father.
Btw, NO ONE on the planet will ever be able to explain the trinity, and to this day no two xtians have ever given us the same exact definition, because it is a complete fallacy devoid of any logic and rationality.
@@ilhamh4359 Actually, I don’t know who the us is you’re referring to, but the theological definition of the Trinity is consistent through historical orthodox Christianity.
As far as your primary objection…here is the Holy Spirit’s explanation.
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Numbers 23:19:
👉GOD is NOT a MAN,👈
that he should lie;
👉NEITHER the SON of MAN,👈
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Here is my servant,(A) whom I uphold,
my chosen one(B) in whom I delight;(C)
I will put my Spirit(D) on him,
and he will bring justice(E) to the nations.(F)
2 He will not shout or cry out,(G)
or raise his voice in the streets.
3 A bruised reed(H) he will not break,(I)
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.(J)
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;(K)
4 he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice(L) on earth.
In his teaching(M) the islands(N) will put their hope.”(O)
5 This is what God the Lord says-
the Creator of the heavens,(P) who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth(Q) with all that springs from it,(R)
who gives breath(S) to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
6 “I, the Lord, have called(T) you in righteousness;(U)
I will take hold of your hand.(V)
I will keep(W) you and will make you
to be a covenant(X) for the people
and a light(Y) for the Gentiles,(Z)
7 to open eyes that are blind,(AA)
to free(AB) captives from prison(AC)
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.(AD)
8 “I am the Lord;(AE) that is my name!(AF)
I will not yield my glory to another(AG)
or my praise to idols.(AH)
9 See, the former things(AI) have taken place,
and new things I declare;
before they spring into being
I announce(AJ) them to you.”
Song of Praise to the Lord
10 Sing(AK) to the Lord a new song,(AL)
his praise(AM) from the ends of the earth,(AN)
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,(AO)
you islands,(AP) and all who live in them.
11 Let the wilderness(AQ) and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar(AR) lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela(AS) sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.(AT)
12 Let them give glory(AU) to the Lord
and proclaim his praise(AV) in the islands.(AW)
13 The Lord will march out like a champion,(AX)
like a warrior(AY) he will stir up his zeal;(AZ)
with a shout(BA) he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies.(BB)
14 “For a long time I have kept silent,(BC)
I have been quiet and held myself back.(BD)
But now, like a woman in childbirth,
I cry out, I gasp and pant.(BE)
15 I will lay waste(BF) the mountains(BG) and hills
and dry up all their vegetation;
I will turn rivers into islands
and dry up(BH) the pools.
16 I will lead(BI) the blind(BJ) by ways they have not known,
along unfamiliar paths I will guide them;
I will turn the darkness into light(BK) before them
and make the rough places smooth.(BL)
These are the things I will do;
I will not forsake(BM) them.
17 But those who trust in idols,
who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’(BN)
will be turned back in utter shame.
This is clearly the prophet Mohamed.
Kedar is Arabia. Jesus pbuh was sent to Palestine to the Israelites and they weren’t idol worshipers
Ah yes, the old "Isaiah 53 isn't about Jesus! Jews never thought that! Also Isaiah 42 is definitely about Muhammad. :D"
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"Oh Lord why have you forsake me?"
This is a Messianic psalm of David, Psalm 22, the purpose of which in Jesus' quoting it is to show that he is the suffering Messiah. Verse 25 of the Psalm shows that God answers the one who cries to him, as Jesus was answered.
I don't know what Jesus flipping the tables has to do with anything. He was rectifying their misdeeds, citing the Tanakh as his reason for doing so. The rectification of Israel was precisely the declared purpose of the Servant of Isaiah, 49:1-5.
@antony Sebastian
I've listened to Singer's views on Isaiah 53. Unfortunately for him, the majority of ancient Jewish interpretation is against him. See my post in this comment section in which I quote Daniel Boyarin, a Jewish scholar of Judaism, who quotes a plethora of Jewish sources showing that the majority belief of late-ancient Jews was that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah.
@antony Sebastian
In addition, Singer is not a scholar of Judaism. He's a Jewish missionary. Boyarin however is a recognized scholar of Judaism. Not that that makes Singer wrong, but it should be stated because your description is not correct.
But didn't you hear the man say that prophet's only speak about the times in which they live. As a result , these verses could never really be revealing Muhammad according to your beloved Paul the video guy!
Respect to you for sharing of your knowledge, but I believe that there is too much of a focus on the tense being used. Is it not possible that Isaiah was saying what he foresaw to happen through the power of God, which is why past tense was used (because he had a vision of it)? David was the King of Israel and Jesus is a direct decendent of him. My faith confirms this is about Jesus. The Holy Spirit speaks to me in ways that I cant explain in human terms but I was just thinking how I would like to read more about the messianic prophecy because I wanted to grow more in my relationship with God. I happened to turn to this particular scripture and read it without researching or googling first. I truly wanted to seek the Lord while He can be found (which I saw in Isaiah 55!) The Holy Spirit brought me here and confirmed it in my spirit. Take a look at John 3 to anyone reading this. If this helps you get closer to Jesus and accept His precious gift of love and sacrifice for you to live forever in the Kingdom of Heaven then glory to God! ❤❤❤
Allah or God of Abraham,Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, (pbut) by His Infinite Mercy comes to aid mankind to guide them to straight path whenever they go astray. Allah has chosen Bart Erman, Ahmed Deedat, Paul Williams etc., to do that job for the mankind, especially the innocent misled Christian folks. I only hope and pray that this video brings benefits to the concerned and help in their salvation. Ameen.
If ISRAEL was the servant in these verses people then explain why chapter 49 says the following
"And now the Lord says-
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant
to bring Jacob back to him
and gather Israel to himself,
for I am[a] honored in the eyes of the Lord
and my God has been my strength-
6 he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”
I hope you can see why i don't trust Paul anymore. He obfuscates too much. In fact he should not do it at all. However, he feels happy doing it because it pushes the islamic narrative at the expense of truth. Even if muslims want to remain muslims why should this man and Ehrman make you think that these chapters and their corresponding verses are not about Jesus and are instead about Israel.
Look at this extract from 49:5-6. Is it that the servant the nation of israel speaks of itself as the one to bring back Jacob () and get this also gather his own self (Israel) to himself. Using Paul and Ehrman's logic it makes no sense.
But as some of you may already have noticed something: Consider what the first line says "And now the Lord says-" ... that he who formed ME in the womb to be his servant.
Reading it as is brings a unique situation. The Lord is the one formed in the womb for the purpose of being HIS servant. With a specific task of bringing Jacob back and gathering Israel. The HE refers to God Almighty. Check it out!!!
@You Say sorry i don't understand your comment
This fits Prophet Jeremiah perfectly
@@haikalsafrisam7818 fits Jeremiah perfectly under great force. Why are you loathe to accept that it is about Jesus? What jewish prophet would be comfortable describing a mere man like that?
@@teachmetheway7081 at least I can give u some reason
@@haikalsafrisam7818 i don't see your reason.
It says "HE SHALL GROW UP A TENDER PLANT" not "HE GREW UP AS A TENDER PLANT " facts , also Isaiah seems to have prophecy through visions .
“He shall grow up as a tender plant” is based on by the KJV while many Bible versions read as “He grew up a tender plant” (NIV, NAB, NRSV)
@@haikalsafrisam7818 but that's a big difference one is prophecy one is historical. I believe they are hiding biblical timeline I believe there are things that are prophecy and not past events
@@newyearcloud5955 In fact, the Septuagint reading supports the NIV, NAB, and NRSV reading:
We brought a report as of a child before him; he is as a root in a thirsty land: he has no form nor comeliness; and we saw him, but he had no form nor beauty (Isaiah 53:2) (Septuagint)
@@haikalsafrisam7818 that's bullshit . Why make so many versions...why? It's still in the same language ... You people are so aggravating ...... There's always an excuse in this religion shit.... I'm done ....and Jonathan Makes Everything Worse
Then why is it the FORBIDDEN chapter in Judaism?
Thank you for your hard work
Isaiah 53 is all about last coming
To understand better read Luke 21 verse 15and 16
On 15 he has great knowledge or god knowledge but when gets to next verse 16 no one except him even he’s family
Imagine how hard is for him to reveal himself and it is all over Quran too if you can see unseen of it .you doing great work ❤️✌️I see it
Could you explain more please? I didn't get it altogether