Its sad that this discussion happened so early on. The spirtual experience of feeling god, another being, and out of body experiences is created by the right temporal lobe which helps deal with the anxiety of death. That combined with the pineal gland which releases DMT will make you think a god is there. Its all evolutionary and because of this evolutionary developement we have developed religion so we can relate to these senses and feelings. BAM. I still chant hare krishna tho I like stimulating my lobes.
crunchy74 a committed devotee like Maharaja (Swami) spends every moment meditating on the transcendental powers of Krishna. It is an entire different structure for understanding of reality
This would indeed be an interesting debate. Most of what Dawkins debates doesn't incorporate concepts of karma/reincarnation which can be used to answer many questions pertaining to suffering, justice, meaning/purpose of life, etc. If Dawkins is not prepared to "prove" where karma/reincarnation fails as a spiritual "law", then he will get decimated in such a debate.
krishna blake Hi Krishna, hmmmm interesting, I'd never heard of this man. Is your suggestion for reasons like because Mr Singer is a philosopher and a vegetarian, he'd be much more of a challenge to Sivarama Swami than Richard Dawkins (who is a bit of a sensationalist)?
well Peter singer is a philosopher and Dawkins is a biologist so I think this would be better for the debate. Singer does not try to fully disprove the possibility of some type of god but rather religions specific idea of god. To have a meaningful debate about god there needs to be clear parameters of what each side views god to be. I think that was missing from this debate. I think a philosopher would be better at arguing in the areas of god being an energy etc. The atheist in this debate was very poorly prepared.
The monk is very calm & eloquent, and is certainly a very good example of the benefits that may come about from following a practical & systematic process of self-realization to understand the truth. The problem with many aetheistic intellectuals is that they don't acknowledge the inherent limitations of their own mind and ego, and are attempting to 'taste the honey by licking the jar'. The reality is that a self-realization process needs to be accepted with some humility in order to gradually gain spiritual understanding through insight. Mr Law became qualified through training in specific scientific/academic disciplines.In the same way, a spiritual aspirant becomes qualified to gain a small glimpse of higher reality through training in the science or consciousness.
The only thing I got out of Stephen Law is that he has been suffering from Hemorrhoids for a very long time, and his prayers haven't saved him. His arguments are all centered around refuting a Christian theological framework using loaded words like "good God" "evil God" etc. He isn't listening to or reacting to the nuanced arguments presented by his opponent.
If you do not try to communicate with god, how do you expect to communicate with god? How do you then use that absence of communication as evidence against gods existence?
It is shameful that Mr. Law's English is so poor. I had extreme difficulty understanding what he was saying. It might stem from his disbelief in God and his lack of confidence in expressing his own arguments.
great question at around 40 minutes. the issue of God's qualities is a completely different topic, warranting a much more lengthy discussion. The views expressed in this short discussion represent a mere atom of the sea of Sanatana Dharma. All sincere seekers will eventually receive what they wish for and according to their beliefs. If one doesn't have the desire to understand God, in what circumstance would the realisation dawn upon one? Therefore not only is open mindedness and discrimination necessary, but also sincerity in ones pursuit. Only through sincere seeking can we find Him. God bless
Well said... If only one took the initiative to practice and follow the instructions given in the vedic literature. He would have found lord and it is non other than the supreme personality of god head sri krishna. It is jist our ignorance and arrogant behaviour which nakes us debate that god does not exist.. Its our ego and rhis even shows how much we envy god... This is all part of our limited knowledge and senses... Anyways we are all conditioned soul... We are stuck in this body according to our karma and our freewill we will get our reactions... No point debating when u r not even 100 percent sure if god exist or not... Cuz the devotees are 100 percent sure of god existance and are willing to give u the knowledge to also know who is god.. Bt instead one simply does not follow the instructions and use his Imperfect senses to judge if god exist...
5:50 Design augument debunked 6:50 suffering No benevolence 10:00 proof vs evidence 12:00 How to know God? 13:45 Inductive knowledge does Not work 14:39 God reveals Himself 15:45 Spiritual Science 19:20 How can we trust Revelations? 21:50 answered 23:06 limited senses to understand the unlimited 23:45 Process of Education 25:20 How to verify revelations? 28:00 is God Energy?
Swami presented everything so logically and was able to answer every question fully while Stephen Law was left with his "Mystery Card" of imagination. I wonder if Stephen Law will take up Swami's challenge to perform the suggested experiment to prove God in a different way rather than using his imperfect senses?
The scientist doesn't appear to actually know much at all. On the other hand the swami does. Based on this in terms of knowledge the swami gets an 'A+' the scientist gets an 'F'.
please give us a real debate coz according to what I see and hear he is sayings indirectly that because his face is red and god is not helping him so his conclusion is god does not exist or maybe his evil this is the evidence he was presenting us with
I love this debate. I find it hilarious though that the atheist decided to use the "why not an all bad God" to a HINDU who obviously believes in karma. lol
In conjunction with this debate , please see the following videos on you tube.com. Swami Sarvapriyananda IITK - WHO AM I ? according to Mandukya Upanishad - part 1 & part 2. Dr. Richard Dawkins Interviews Satish Kumar .
This is real knowledge. ISKCON & SANATANA DHARMA ( eternal natural law) or also called HINDU DHARMA) is really a science of God consciousness - which can be verified by ones own experience - There is no book like BHAGAVAD-GITA on this earth. It was LOrd krishna who enunciated the greatest & deepest truths about human existence - namely SOUL / Supersoul, DHARMA,KARMA, Reincarnation , Love ,service, oneness of all creatures , freedom from fear of death . In Hindu dharma, a person is born as divine and it is our duty by doing good karma to realize that divinity. Our nature ( SOUL) is sat CHIT and ANAND - in sanskrit .. Compare this with ISLAM & Christianity where ISLAMIC GOD ALLAH & Christian GOD YHWH are demanding you to worship Him alone , You are a born sinner, and you must believe in HIN alone to salvation . Other wise you are going to burn in hell fire for eternity !!! These Gods also take sides(partial to their followers and vengeful to unbelievers by putting the unbelievers in hall fire while these evil GODS ( ALLAH & YHWH) are enjoying while you burn. They are so insecure that they are fascists,dictators, with their dogma !!!
Man, those are some big neckbeads. I remember wearing some when I was into KC and also into Krsnacore music. Still have them around here somewhere as well as the book The Science Of Self Realization that I bought from Don Foose - who is the vocalist for Spudmonsters, Run Devil Run, as well as his own band - Foose. Love the smell of Tulsai beads - they smell amazing
Everything Law says assumed an Abrahamic model of God. Hinduism, and other Dharmic traditions, do not follow such a model, and have far broader notions of what God is than what Abrahamic religions teach. Thus, a lot of the arguments that Law uses to say that God doesn't exist don't apply when God is looked through a Dharmic lens.
functionalschizophr Dr Stephen Law, not Mr. Though his argument did seem to be God doesn't exit because it's irrational to believe in a God, end of story.
irrational for you...rational for most of the people on the planet and throughout history...the godhead doesn't require your acknowledgement to exist...
When faced with the representatives of Dharmic Traditions, why do these 'Sciencey' people seem to lack something substantial in their argument? I mean its one thing to face Abrahimic Faiths but their arguments are left completely redundant against proponents of Dharma.
The point about good and bad is a question of duality. Duality is the dynamic of the universe as Newton stated to every force there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is the basis attraction and repulsion as demonstrated in magnetism which is the function of atom. Every in the universe has a duality and is thus its basic function. From our human perspective we measure on the bases of good and bad qualities. Because we use this paradigm to perceive our reality it doesnt mean its the only one
Good and evil is relative to the finite being. The infinite is pure virtue, beyond good and evil. There is a Taoist scripture that says that we should prize suffering as we prize our own bodies because if we had no suffering we would have no body. I myself like to think that there are various pockets of infinity and ours is the material and therefore suffering pocket which has been imbued with life. The glass is half full.
BADSYNE What experiment do you need to comprehend "you exist"..answer is you don't need one...in indian philosophy we called this kind of proof as "Aparakha Praman"... [there are three kind of "proman"(proves).. 1. Pratakhsya Pramana: ( Direct Proofs) like experiments of Newtonian Physics..like take a stop watch and measure acceleration...upon act of external force. 2.Paroksha Pramana: ( Indirect Proves) any experiment of Modern Physics..like experiments to explain how atom works or experiments of quantum mechanics 3.Aparaksha Pramana:(Neither Direct nor indirect) like your first person experience..your very existence...you don't require any proofs for yourself to understand you exist... (well of corse "what is existance"? that's the good question)..that is the example of "Aparakshya Pramana"... Now the pure consciousness is what causing your first person experience.(a theory called "Drik Drishya Viveka" discrimination between Seer and seen) would provide the logic on how thats true.. (Caution: If you are a student..and you have an exam don't read this books now..because this could affect your study)
Everybody mistook the one GOD of Hinduism. This material world is diverse. When you examine it closely you will find diverse material are three things PROTON, ELECTRON AND NEUTRON. That is Three Gunas our Rishis mentioned as Satwam,RAJAS AND THAMAS( neutron is dark particle). Then you deeply examine this particle you will come to know that really one thing .All matter is energy. Now there are two different thing Lifeless material and life force. When you closely observe again. You will find that there are different type of energy ,all are interchangeable. One energy we can convert to another form using a suitable device Light energy plant can convert to life force (consciousness) .So material world is consciousness itself. That is adwaitha of our RISHIS. Even if everything is same in finest form. When you are thirsty you need water, Bread will not solve your thirst. Same way God is one. Enormous number of spiritual body having different healing powers is a reality. God need not require any offering .In Hinduism Nothing is offering to BRAHMAN. But we have to offer flower and other thing to Devi and devatas(Architype)Because they are living BEING like as who depend on BRAHMAN. But they are super powers and can solve our material problem. THIS IS THE TEACHING OF SREE NARAYANA GURU OF KERALA and ALL RISHIS OF INDIA. Everything in this world we are seeing is Midhya(not real) in past and future. Now I am seeing an apple in front of me .Presently it is real. When you search this apple in 10 years back, this apple was not present at 10 year back. If you search this apple after 10 year you will not get this apple. So apple is only real in present time. When you consider this universe, it was not same in the past. In future also it is not going to be same. ONE THING THAT IS SAME IN THE FUTURE PRESENT AND PAST IS BRAHMAN (CONCIOUSNESS) ONLY. That is the essence of everything. SO BRAHMAN SATYAM JAGAT MIDHYA.(JAGAT IS NOT REAL ONY BRAHMAN REAL). Everything is real including cloud at present. For a wise world is sat because he is in the present. This is the teaching of Sree Narayana Guru I born in Kerala (south India) a predominant Christian Area. At least Weekly one time some Christians coming to my home and asking Why you are worshipping IDOL. Do you think it will save you. Now I know that calling GOD by name. sound is one form of energy. I am worshipping Idol that is Manifested form of energy. SO both I and they are worshing same thing ,but different form of energy. HINDU VEDA ADVICE IS THIS- If a truth is told by a child accept it. If an untruth is told by creator brahma reject it.This type of freedom I think no religion in the world is ever allowed
Can't know good without bad, can't know abundance without lack, can't know confidence without insecurity etc. Blaming God for one side makes no sense, especially when we design how this world looks.
Saying that "everything is God" is limiting God?? Bizarre argument, what part of this limits God? as follower of Advaita Vedanta I would say that God is the sum total is the totality of everything that has ever and will ever exist. And Importantly the totality is Everything that has always existed and always will ever exist. that it is a totality eternal both as potential and manifest. It's not exactly the same as the views of ISKCON. Stephen Law keeps trying to steer the debate toward his own version of the question and NOT what the question is; IS there a God. Law keeps going on about a good or evil god, but that's NOT the question... Law is constantly talking about the Christian conception of god! But he's debating with a NON-Christian
If you want to be religious, you try to understand religious principles from God. If one wants to become a lawyer, he must learn the laws which is given by the government. He cannot become a lawyer at home. Similarly, if you want to become religious, you must learn what is religion from God. You don't manufacture your own religion. That is not religion. This is the first principle. But if I do not know what is God, what is the order given by God, then what is religion? That is going on. Everyone is manufacturing his own religion. This is the modern method, that religion is private; anyone can accept any type of religion. That is liberalism, is it not? Just like if you go on the street and the signboard is, "Keep to the right," this is law. I cannot say, "What is the wrong if I keep to the left?" Then I am criminal. You cannot dictate. The government has said, "Keep to the right." You have to do that. That is law. If you violate, then you are criminal. Pay fine. But ordinarily, one may think, "What is the wrong there, instead of keeping right, if I keep to the left?" He may think like that, but he doesn't know that is criminal. How can you interpret the government's order, "Keep to the left," and "Keep to the right"? You have no right to interpret. If you interpret, then you become a foolish man, because that interpretation will not be accepted. If you say, "What is the wrong there? Both ways there are roads. So if I keep to the left, what is wrong there?" You can interpret like that. But as soon as you interpret like that, you become a criminal. So all these interpretations are unauthorized, criminal. That they do not know because they are foolish men. You cannot interpret.
Think as if u r God and u can create living being creatures and other things. Would u be a different God? For example if u exposed that u r god and u exist then everyone will all pray all the time not relying on hard work for success. How will the world work exactly then? U will have to every time create stuff for them ac, refrigerator, tv electricity and stuff bring them to the modern age bcoz we r too busy praying. The world will function properly only when we remove the idea of god but still know he exists. Either in form of historical evidences or spiritual experiences or circumstances. Bcoz if we know for SURE that god doesnt exist then adharma or injustice will definitely take place bcoz ppl wont care anymore abt heaven or hell. Truth is science is a gift to us from god. Yet we say the more we progress scientifically the more we go away from god. The reason i am saying science is gods gift bcoz each and every element in the periodic table can be used for one stuff or another. Herbs are used ti cure people. Plants r used to produce medicines, wood, food and the most imp. oxygen. Consider trees now for example. If for example they didnt emit O2 the oxygen ckntent would deplete and we would end up dead. People say that we r going to die in few hundred years bcz of global warming or pollution etc. I totally disagree with it bcoz science will always come with something awesome which will save us. And the ideas which people get like falling of an apple gave the idea of gravity or water falling off the tub gave the archimedes principle. Or the structure of benzene which the scientist came to know by thinking a snake was trying to touch its tail. All these insane were actually given by god.
Seek truth not false enlightenment, God Jesus is the only truth.John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. .Satan promised Adam and Eve enlightenment but they ended up in trouble instead, seek God Jesus and read his bible if you want true enlightenment. Meditation from our own spirit gets you nowhere, meditate on the word of God Jesus.The human mind is dirty and needs the guidance of the holy spirit. Seek God Jesus.Today I have a very important message to share with my fellow men so that our souls can be saved. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; All other religions are false, Jesus is the only way to Heaven and he is the only way to escape Hell. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent..Seek not pleasure in this world but seek JESUS CHRIST instead, Matthew 6:19-21King James Version (KJV)19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.,as you know sex outside marriage, pornography and immorality is a sin against God and it leads to Hell where you'll be cut off from God and happiness forever. Therefore we are to repent or Cross-dressing and all others sins as they lead to hell.Fornication is a sin against God and it also leads to hell and so is adultery.We must repent of sin and stop exposing our nakedness and breast to others to make them lust after us and cause them to fall into sin and end up in hell Fire for eternity, repent and live for the true God Jesus who's the only way to heaven, there is no other religion or way that can take you to heaven.Study the bible and focus on loving Jesus and others, not on yourself or posting selfies. Forgive others for what they have done to you or else if you dont forgive neither will you father in heaven forgive you and you will end up in Hell. Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Revelation 21:8King James Version (KJV) 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.May the lord Jesus Christ bless you and I pray that you are a part of his kingdom .Jesus is God, not a prophet.The Roman Catholic church is not of God. I had a dream that I was in the catholic service, and they were calling people to pray. The priest was going around helping people pray, and they were saying, Hail Mary, and they were praying to Mary as well. I knew that I must not pray to Mary. So I closed my eyes and prayed to Jesus Christ, and then everybody was taking part in the Eucharist, and I knew that I must not partake in this activity. They were bringing along statues and idols. I left the room and I sat down with the unbelievers there, because I knew I must not partake in what they were doing. The Roman Catholic church is not of the Lord. You must not partake in what they do if you want to follow Jesus Christ. You must only worship and obey Jesus Christ and come out of that false church. Jesus bless you
for more about hindu, search dr. Zakir in youtube, he read all the vedas and say hindu never follow the scripture. the vidas claim god is one and we shouldn't make image of god.
Nope.. completely misunderstood. At least against better opponents Law gets his point across. That response just showed that He was playing Chess, his opponent was playing checkers
Dr.Stephen Law's take on the issue is very poor debating. Being an atheist or even an agnostic, he could have floated the argument through a better stream.
First and foremost these points have to be cleared: 1) Who Am I, really? Not this body, but eternal spirit soul, servant of God- Krishna, 2) What am I doing here, on Earth?, 3) What is the purpose of our birth, creation of Universe, 4) Who created us and everything else?, Is there- God?, Who is HE? Krishna? How, what method of understanding, experimentation? etc. All these are cleared in the beginning OF BHAGVAD GITA, WHEN ARJUNA STARTS TALKING NONSENSE, TALKING AS IF LEARNED, BUT TALKING, NONSENSE, FROM THE BODILY POINT OF VIEW.! SO, STUDY THE BHAGVAD GITA AS IT IS, SRILA PRABHUPADA, AND ALL THESE AND MORE ANSWERS WILL BECOME SELF-EVIDENT. BUT SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT STUDY, DOES NOT WISH TO STUDY OR LEARN, FROM THE BOANFIDE SOURCE, KRISHNA, BHAGVAD GITA, OR SADGURU, HE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND, AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THERE IS NO GOD, EVIL GOD, BLA BLAH! CANCER, HAEMMORHOIDS?! THESE ARE OUR ACTIONS, AND RESULTS ARE EVIDENT. THE MATERIAL WORLD WE LIVE IN IS SHAPED BY MAN, NOT GOD. THIS PLAYGROUND IS THE WAY IT IS, SHITTY AND UNBEARABLE DUE TO OUR MANKID'S OWN DOING!! GOD NEVER INTERFERES IN SUCH MATTERS FOR BETTER OR WORSE, UNLESS IN CASE OF PURE DEVOTEE...BUT THEN THAT IS A RARITY IN THIS WORLD OF KALI, THE AGE OF QUARREL AND HYPOCRISY!! HARE KRISHNA!!
There is likelihood of one/more omnipotent being but not like human-cultures or Islamic-warlords conveniently believe :-) Human may find GOD when looses desires, identity, ego to dominate others. It seems GOD doesn't expect anything from us and like 'aham brahmasmi' means 'I am God' or 'GOD resides in me'.
The problem is not God but the religions and their fanatic clerics: If God exists and created this marvelous universe, He must be almighty, wise, full of goodness and justice. He would be much greater than the "holy books" of all religions (plagued with errors, contradictions and absurdities), and He would be identifying the innocent and the guilty of the suffering and the destruction of the Earth (clerics included). Being good is simply: not to damage oneself, nor others, nor nature (the gods of all religions would agree with this). And, if God exists, He´ll punish the bad, not the good (believers or not), because otherwise He would be a vain, intolerant and unjust God. But if that magnificent God exists, one wonders: would he sends natural disasters in which so many innocent people died? The answer would be that …. (See the complete writing in: ad gut-gar google+)
Remarkable victory to the saint who is so sober and knowledgeable.
Coming Back Hare Krishna
Never debate against a Hare Krishna Monk, lol
Dr. Law got 17 votes and HH Sivaram Swami got 62 votes. There were 14 abstensions (neither for nor against) . Voting is done at 1:16:20.
Jay!!!
Truth is not a matter of voting. One million delude people "voting" that god exists will not make it true.
Mr Stephen Law was all red and very nervous while speaking it looks he was Inside praying o lord help me I know you exist. Haha
He's a ginger, of course his face is going to be red.
Its sad that this discussion happened so early on. The spirtual experience of feeling god, another being, and out of body experiences is created by the right temporal lobe which helps deal with the anxiety of death. That combined with the pineal gland which releases DMT will make you think a god is there. Its all evolutionary and because of this evolutionary developement we have developed religion so we can relate to these senses and feelings. BAM. I still chant hare krishna tho I like stimulating my lobes.
Who created god then ? And how does he know god is a he ?
sam boss Dr Stephen Law, not merely Mr.
krishna Is universe, study to Bagawath gita(all lesson)
Good call from the man in the glasses and the cape. Karma had to be addressed.
Swami is soo cool and composed. Amazing. He must have some kind of deep meditation going on.
crunchy74 a committed devotee like Maharaja (Swami) spends every moment meditating on the transcendental powers of Krishna. It is an entire different structure for understanding of reality
You can become like that too. Chant Hare Krishna mahamantra for 1 year and see the magic.
It would be great fun if someone ever arranged Sivarama Swami to debate against Richard Dawkins
This would indeed be an interesting debate. Most of what Dawkins debates doesn't incorporate concepts of karma/reincarnation which can be used to answer many questions pertaining to suffering, justice, meaning/purpose of life, etc. If Dawkins is not prepared to "prove" where karma/reincarnation fails as a spiritual "law", then he will get decimated in such a debate.
Id prefer peter singer to debate him :)
krishna blake
Hi Krishna, hmmmm interesting, I'd never heard of this man. Is your suggestion for reasons like because Mr Singer is a philosopher and a vegetarian, he'd be much more of a challenge to Sivarama Swami than Richard Dawkins (who is a bit of a sensationalist)?
well Peter singer is a philosopher and Dawkins is a biologist so I think this would be better for the debate. Singer does not try to fully disprove the possibility of some type of god but rather religions specific idea of god. To have a meaningful debate about god there needs to be clear parameters of what each side views god to be. I think that was missing from this debate. I think a philosopher would be better at arguing in the areas of god being an energy etc. The atheist in this debate was very poorly prepared.
+Lake Isle Retreats Dawkins makes the same arguments that Law did lol
Jaya Sivarama Swami..!!! You represented ISKCON, Vaisnava Society, and Krishna- the SPG brilliantly..!!!
The monk is very calm & eloquent, and is certainly a very good example of the benefits that may come about from following a practical & systematic process of self-realization to understand the truth. The problem with many aetheistic intellectuals is that they don't acknowledge the inherent limitations of their own mind and ego, and are attempting to 'taste the honey by licking the jar'. The reality is that a self-realization process needs to be accepted with some humility in order to gradually gain spiritual understanding through insight. Mr Law became qualified through training in specific scientific/academic disciplines.In the same way, a spiritual aspirant becomes qualified to gain a small glimpse of higher reality through training in the science or consciousness.
His Holiness Sivarama Swami Maharaj Ki Jai.
well I found it make quite a lot of sense what the swami was saying and the laws of karma was very interesting.
The only thing I got out of Stephen Law is that he has been suffering from Hemorrhoids for a very long time, and his prayers haven't saved him. His arguments are all centered around refuting a Christian theological framework using loaded words like "good God" "evil God" etc. He isn't listening to or reacting to the nuanced arguments presented by his opponent.
I request hare Krishna to debate with muslim scholars bcoz they r misinterpreting vedic data and spreading im society
If you do not try to communicate with god, how do you expect to communicate with god? How do you then use that absence of communication as evidence against gods existence?
It is shameful that Mr. Law's English is so poor. I had extreme difficulty understanding what he was saying. It might stem from his disbelief in God and his lack of confidence in expressing his own arguments.
We need more of these debates: Calm; to the point; makes sense; and backed up !!
great question at around 40 minutes. the issue of God's qualities is a completely different topic, warranting a much more lengthy discussion. The views expressed in this short discussion represent a mere atom of the sea of Sanatana Dharma. All sincere seekers will eventually receive what they wish for and according to their beliefs. If one doesn't have the desire to understand God, in what circumstance would the realisation dawn upon one? Therefore not only is open mindedness and discrimination necessary, but also sincerity in ones pursuit. Only through sincere seeking can we find Him. God bless
Well said... If only one took the initiative to practice and follow the instructions given in the vedic literature. He would have found lord and it is non other than the supreme personality of god head sri krishna. It is jist our ignorance and arrogant behaviour which nakes us debate that god does not exist.. Its our ego and rhis even shows how much we envy god... This is all part of our limited knowledge and senses... Anyways we are all conditioned soul... We are stuck in this body according to our karma and our freewill we will get our reactions... No point debating when u r not even 100 percent sure if god exist or not... Cuz the devotees are 100 percent sure of god existance and are willing to give u the knowledge to also know who is god.. Bt instead one simply does not follow the instructions and use his Imperfect senses to judge if god exist...
5:50 Design augument debunked
6:50 suffering No benevolence
10:00 proof vs evidence
12:00 How to know God?
13:45 Inductive knowledge does Not work
14:39 God reveals Himself
15:45 Spiritual Science
19:20 How can we trust Revelations?
21:50 answered
23:06 limited senses to understand the unlimited
23:45 Process of Education
25:20 How to verify revelations?
28:00 is God Energy?
Swami presented everything so logically and was able to answer every question fully while Stephen Law was left with his "Mystery Card" of imagination. I wonder if Stephen Law will take up Swami's challenge to perform the suggested experiment to prove God in a different way rather than using his imperfect senses?
Dr. Law had no arguments whatsoever.
Mr. Stephen Law looks stressed..maybe he could use a little God in his life.
Sivarama swami - 62!!!!
His videos r amazing 😍!
The scientist doesn't appear to actually know much at all. On the other hand the swami does. Based on this in terms of knowledge the swami gets an 'A+' the scientist gets an 'F'.
Great ideas/thoughts/experiences shared by Shivarama Swami. A clear win of truth.
Sivarama swami is older than steven law and just look at the difference between them!
Hare krishna :) ☺️❤️
zomg TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES!
please give us a real debate coz according to what I see and hear he is sayings indirectly that because his face is red and god is not helping him so his conclusion is god does not exist or maybe his evil this is the evidence he was presenting us with
Richard Dawkins nunca debatiría contra este Swami porque sabe bien que lo derrotan, bien que sabe con quien se pone.
I love this debate. I find it hilarious though that the atheist decided to use the "why not an all bad God" to a HINDU who obviously believes in karma. lol
Professor got scholled no match for the swami.
In conjunction with this debate , please see the following videos on you tube.com.
Swami Sarvapriyananda IITK - WHO AM I ? according to Mandukya Upanishad - part 1 & part 2.
Dr. Richard Dawkins Interviews Satish Kumar .
This is real knowledge. ISKCON & SANATANA DHARMA ( eternal natural law) or also called HINDU DHARMA) is really a science of God consciousness - which can be verified by ones own experience - There is no book like BHAGAVAD-GITA on this earth. It was LOrd krishna who enunciated the greatest & deepest truths about human existence - namely SOUL / Supersoul, DHARMA,KARMA, Reincarnation , Love ,service, oneness of all creatures , freedom from fear of death . In Hindu dharma, a person is born as divine and it is our duty by doing good karma to realize that divinity. Our nature ( SOUL) is sat CHIT and ANAND - in sanskrit ..
Compare this with ISLAM & Christianity where ISLAMIC GOD ALLAH & Christian GOD YHWH are demanding you to worship Him alone , You are a born sinner, and you must believe in HIN alone to salvation . Other wise you are going to burn in hell fire for eternity !!! These Gods also take sides(partial to their followers and vengeful to unbelievers by putting the unbelievers in hall fire while these evil GODS ( ALLAH & YHWH) are enjoying while you burn. They are so insecure that they are fascists,dictators, with their dogma !!!
This requires subtitles. I couldn't hear what the science expert is saying at all. Swami ji was audible though.
Man, those are some big neckbeads. I remember wearing some when I was into KC and also into Krsnacore music. Still have them around here somewhere as well as the book The Science Of Self Realization that I bought from Don Foose - who is the vocalist for Spudmonsters, Run Devil Run, as well as his own band - Foose. Love the smell of Tulsai beads - they smell amazing
Well you cannot win a debate with Sivarama Swamiji, a truly realised being of the transcendental Supreme Almighty!
Simple Life, Simple meatless Food and LOVE for Animals, Trees bring True Happiness, Joy and Peace
steven is hilarious he really does have a poor fund of knowledge about god. I would like any atheist to make a argument that could defeat swami.
If you still question the existence of God, Sivarama Swami is here to clear your doubts
Everything Law says assumed an Abrahamic model of God. Hinduism, and other Dharmic traditions, do not follow such a model, and have far broader notions of what God is than what Abrahamic religions teach. Thus, a lot of the arguments that Law uses to say that God doesn't exist don't apply when God is looked through a Dharmic lens.
Sivarama Swami amazing.
double talking and reverse logic is the mantra of Mr. Law....I've never heard so many words with so little thought behind it....
functionalschizophr Dr Stephen Law, not Mr. Though his argument did seem to be God doesn't exit because it's irrational to believe in a God, end of story.
irrational for you...rational for most of the people on the planet and throughout history...the godhead doesn't require your acknowledgement to exist...
S.Law is a professor!?? 😁
Wow,... Ohhh..so sad to know London college has such people.
Very intresting! Thank you!
That Steven guy has issues... maybe hemroids
as per hindu god exists in every where,in living and non,who moving atoms in non living ,who as a soul in living
When faced with the representatives of Dharmic Traditions, why do these 'Sciencey' people seem to lack something substantial in their argument? I mean its one thing to face Abrahimic Faiths but their arguments are left completely redundant against proponents of Dharma.
Mr stephen has a lot of knowledge of evil and bad stuff in the world..
great video
Is Stephen Law a Doctor or a Donkey ?
The point about good and bad is a question of duality. Duality is the dynamic of the universe as Newton stated to every force there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is the basis attraction and repulsion as demonstrated in magnetism which is the function of atom. Every in the universe has a duality and is thus its basic function. From our human perspective we measure on the bases of good and bad qualities. Because we use this paradigm to perceive our reality it doesnt mean its the only one
Owen Wilson lost that one
¨There may be some intellingence but I doubt it¨ never have I heard such nonsense
Good and evil is relative to the finite being. The infinite is pure virtue, beyond good and evil. There is a Taoist scripture that says that we should prize suffering as we prize our own bodies because if we had no suffering we would have no body. I myself like to think that there are various pockets of infinity and ours is the material and therefore suffering pocket which has been imbued with life. The glass is half full.
Hands down, the Swami was the most 'scientific' with his reasoning;)
Mr Law no match for Sivarama Swami
thanks for the post
do the experiment!
then talk
BADSYNE What experiment do you need to comprehend "you exist"..answer is you don't need one...in indian philosophy we called this kind of proof as "Aparakha Praman"...
[there are three kind of "proman"(proves)..
1. Pratakhsya Pramana: ( Direct Proofs) like experiments of Newtonian Physics..like take a stop watch and measure acceleration...upon act of external force.
2.Paroksha Pramana: ( Indirect Proves) any experiment of Modern Physics..like experiments to explain how atom works or experiments of quantum mechanics
3.Aparaksha Pramana:(Neither Direct nor indirect) like your first person experience..your very existence...you don't require any proofs for yourself to understand you exist... (well of corse "what is existance"? that's the good question)..that is the example of "Aparakshya Pramana"...
Now the pure consciousness is what causing your first person experience.(a theory called "Drik Drishya Viveka" discrimination between Seer and seen) would provide the logic on how thats true..
(Caution: If you are a student..and you have an exam don't read this books now..because this could affect your study)
who want to know about god read bhagavad gita chapter 7
im an athiest but mr law just isnt a good debater
coz ur dad name is darwin, u try to follow darwin's theory n degrade to lower form of life....lol
Um yeah, that's it mate...
i taught mr.law was owen wilson the actor lol
You are an "athiest"? What kind of belief is that?
Jack Darwin no one can debate against Iskcon monks and their philosophy..
That young man proved the existence of God in under 1 minute
Everybody mistook the one GOD of Hinduism.
This material world is diverse. When you examine it closely you will find diverse material are three things PROTON, ELECTRON AND NEUTRON. That is Three Gunas our Rishis mentioned as Satwam,RAJAS AND THAMAS( neutron is dark particle). Then you deeply examine this particle you will come to know that really one thing .All matter is energy. Now there are two different thing Lifeless material and life force.
When you closely observe again. You will find that there are different type of energy ,all are interchangeable. One energy we can convert to another form using a suitable device
Light energy plant can convert to life force (consciousness) .So material world is consciousness itself. That is adwaitha of our RISHIS.
Even if everything is same in finest form. When you are thirsty you need water, Bread will not solve your thirst. Same way God is one. Enormous number of spiritual body having different healing powers is a reality. God need not require any offering .In Hinduism Nothing is offering to BRAHMAN. But we have to offer flower and other thing to Devi and devatas(Architype)Because they are living BEING like as who depend on BRAHMAN. But they are super powers and can solve our material problem. THIS IS THE TEACHING OF SREE NARAYANA GURU OF KERALA and ALL RISHIS OF INDIA. Everything in this world we are seeing is Midhya(not real) in past and future. Now I am seeing an apple in front of me .Presently it is real. When you search this apple in 10 years back, this apple was not present at 10 year back. If you search this apple after 10 year you will not get this apple. So apple is only real in present time. When you consider this universe, it was not same in the past. In future also it is not going to be same.
ONE THING THAT IS SAME IN THE FUTURE PRESENT AND PAST IS BRAHMAN (CONCIOUSNESS) ONLY. That is the essence of everything. SO BRAHMAN SATYAM JAGAT MIDHYA.(JAGAT IS NOT REAL ONY BRAHMAN REAL). Everything is real including cloud at present. For a wise world is sat because he is in the present. This is the teaching of Sree Narayana Guru
I born in Kerala (south India) a predominant Christian Area. At least Weekly one time some Christians coming to my home and asking Why you are worshipping IDOL. Do you think it will save you. Now I know that calling GOD by name. sound is one form of energy. I am worshipping Idol that is Manifested form of energy. SO both I and they are worshing same thing ,but different form of energy.
HINDU VEDA ADVICE IS THIS- If a truth is told by a child accept it. If an untruth is told by creator brahma reject it.This type of freedom I think no religion in the world is ever allowed
they could have picked a better atheist.. what does this guy have his doctrine in? Jai Sivaram!!
Bad audio. The videographer didn't know what he was doing.
Can't know good without bad, can't know abundance without lack, can't know confidence without insecurity etc.
Blaming God for one side makes no sense, especially when we design how this world looks.
Saying that "everything is God" is limiting God?? Bizarre argument, what part of this limits God? as follower of Advaita Vedanta I would say that God is the sum total is the totality of everything that has ever and will ever exist. And Importantly the totality is Everything that has always existed and always will ever exist. that it is a totality eternal both as potential and manifest. It's not exactly the same as the views of ISKCON.
Stephen Law keeps trying to steer the debate toward his own version of the question and NOT what the question is; IS there a God. Law keeps going on about a good or evil god, but that's NOT the question...
Law is constantly talking about the Christian conception of god! But he's debating with a NON-Christian
LAW!! stop packing up 'all powerful' and 'all good' together as if they are the same, they are NOT the same. Law is being lazy.
If you want to be religious, you try to understand religious principles from God. If one wants to become a lawyer, he must learn the laws which is given by the government. He cannot become a lawyer at home. Similarly, if you want to become religious, you must learn what is religion from God. You don't manufacture your own religion. That is not religion. This is the first principle.
But if I do not know what is God, what is the order given by God, then what is religion? That is going on. Everyone is manufacturing his own religion. This is the modern method, that religion is private; anyone can accept any type of religion. That is liberalism, is it not?
Just like if you go on the street and the signboard is, "Keep to the right," this is law. I cannot say, "What is the wrong if I keep to the left?" Then I am criminal. You cannot dictate. The government has said, "Keep to the right." You have to do that. That is law. If you violate, then you are criminal. Pay fine. But ordinarily, one may think, "What is the wrong there, instead of keeping right, if I keep to the left?" He may think like that, but he doesn't know that is criminal.
How can you interpret the government's order, "Keep to the left," and "Keep to the right"? You have no right to interpret. If you interpret, then you become a foolish man, because that interpretation will not be accepted. If you say, "What is the wrong there? Both ways there are roads. So if I keep to the left, what is wrong there?" You can interpret like that. But as soon as you interpret like that, you become a criminal.
So all these interpretations are unauthorized, criminal. That they do not know because they are foolish men. You cannot interpret.
Think as if u r God and u can create living being creatures and other things. Would u be a different God?
For example if u exposed that u r god and u exist then everyone will all pray all the time not relying on hard work for success. How will the world work exactly then? U will have to every time create stuff for them ac, refrigerator, tv electricity and stuff bring them to the modern age bcoz we r too busy praying. The world will function properly only when we remove the idea of god but still know he exists. Either in form of historical evidences or spiritual experiences or circumstances. Bcoz if we know for SURE that god doesnt exist then adharma or injustice will definitely take place bcoz ppl wont care anymore abt heaven or hell.
Truth is science is a gift to us from god. Yet we say the more we progress scientifically the more we go away from god. The reason i am saying science is gods gift bcoz each and every element in the periodic table can be used for one stuff or another. Herbs are used ti cure people. Plants r used to produce medicines, wood, food and the most imp. oxygen.
Consider trees now for example. If for example they didnt emit O2 the oxygen ckntent would deplete and we would end up dead. People say that we r going to die in few hundred years bcz of global warming or pollution etc. I totally disagree with it bcoz science will always come with something awesome which will save us. And the ideas which people get like falling of an apple gave the idea of gravity or water falling off the tub gave the archimedes principle. Or the structure of benzene which the scientist came to know by thinking a snake was trying to touch its tail. All these insane were actually given by god.
Stephen Law is stupid, i support HH Sivarama Swami and even i agree stephen law didn't even come close to challenging him!
Seek truth not false enlightenment, God Jesus is the only truth.John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. .Satan promised Adam and Eve enlightenment but they ended up in trouble instead, seek God Jesus and read his bible if you want true enlightenment. Meditation from our own spirit gets you nowhere, meditate on the word of God Jesus.The human mind is dirty and needs the guidance of the holy spirit. Seek God Jesus.Today I have a very important message to share with my fellow men so that our souls can be saved. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; All other religions are false, Jesus is the only way to Heaven and he is the only way to escape Hell. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent..Seek not pleasure in this world but seek JESUS CHRIST instead, Matthew 6:19-21King James Version (KJV)19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.,as you know sex outside marriage, pornography and immorality is a sin against God and it leads to Hell where you'll be cut off from God and happiness forever. Therefore we are to repent or Cross-dressing and all others sins as they lead to hell.Fornication is a sin against God and it also leads to hell and so is adultery.We must repent of sin and stop exposing our nakedness and breast to others to make them lust after us and cause them to fall into sin and end up in hell Fire for eternity, repent and live for the true God Jesus who's the only way to heaven, there is no other religion or way that can take you to heaven.Study the bible and focus on loving Jesus and others, not on yourself or posting selfies. Forgive others for what they have done to you or else if you dont forgive neither will you father in heaven forgive you and you will end up in Hell. Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Revelation 21:8King James Version (KJV) 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.May the lord Jesus Christ bless you and I pray that you are a part of his kingdom .Jesus is God, not a prophet.The Roman Catholic church is not of God. I had a dream that I was in the catholic service, and they were calling people to pray. The priest was going around helping people pray, and they were saying, Hail Mary, and they were praying to Mary as well. I knew that I must not pray to Mary. So I closed my eyes and prayed to Jesus Christ, and then everybody was taking part in the Eucharist, and I knew that I must not partake in this activity. They were bringing along statues and idols. I left the room and I sat down with the unbelievers there, because I knew I must not partake in what they were doing. The Roman Catholic church is not of the Lord. You must not partake in what they do if you want to follow Jesus Christ. You must only worship and obey Jesus Christ and come out of that false church. Jesus bless you
The sound quality of this video is really terrible. Anyway that a person who knows what is being said can offer subtitles?
Thanks for posting.
Great debate Thx for upload!
for more about hindu, search dr. Zakir in youtube, he read all the vedas and say hindu never follow the scripture. the vidas claim god is one and we shouldn't make image of god.
why is it that when swami ji began to talk after 20 mins every idiot begins to cough??
Dr Law is all red while speaking it looks like he is very nervous. I was not able to understand him
Completely owned @ 0:45:35!
Nope.. completely misunderstood.
At least against better opponents Law gets his point across.
That response just showed that
He was playing Chess, his opponent was playing checkers
I'm annoyed by the cough sounds in background!!!!!
hare krishnaa ..... :-)
Stephen seems very hung up on the good/evil duality.
All Glories to HH Sivarama Swamii !!
watch dharma nation on TH-cam please its so good
what a clear and consice discourse from swamiji
As the sky can't prove same matter karishna
thye need to speak clearly, both of them.
I love the mob mentality of the comments.
Dr.Stephen Law's take on the issue is very poor debating. Being an atheist or even an agnostic, he could have floated the argument through a better stream.
stop cough or go out and do that is you are sick
Wow i thought it was Owen Wilson a sec
Why didn't you bring in a Christian?
Dr. Stephen Law of the royal institute of saying lots without saying anything.
Nothing is by casuality
Found the first Athiest.
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First and foremost these points have to be cleared: 1) Who Am I, really? Not this body, but eternal spirit soul, servant of God- Krishna, 2) What am I doing here, on Earth?, 3) What is the purpose of our birth, creation of Universe, 4) Who created us and everything else?, Is there- God?, Who is HE? Krishna? How, what method of understanding, experimentation? etc. All these are cleared in the beginning OF BHAGVAD GITA, WHEN ARJUNA STARTS TALKING NONSENSE, TALKING AS IF LEARNED, BUT TALKING, NONSENSE, FROM THE BODILY POINT OF VIEW.! SO, STUDY THE BHAGVAD GITA AS IT IS, SRILA PRABHUPADA, AND ALL THESE AND MORE ANSWERS WILL BECOME SELF-EVIDENT. BUT SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT STUDY, DOES NOT WISH TO STUDY OR LEARN, FROM THE BOANFIDE SOURCE, KRISHNA, BHAGVAD GITA, OR SADGURU, HE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND, AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THERE IS NO GOD, EVIL GOD, BLA BLAH! CANCER, HAEMMORHOIDS?! THESE ARE OUR ACTIONS, AND RESULTS ARE EVIDENT. THE MATERIAL WORLD WE LIVE IN IS SHAPED BY MAN, NOT GOD. THIS PLAYGROUND IS THE WAY IT IS, SHITTY AND UNBEARABLE DUE TO OUR MANKID'S OWN DOING!! GOD NEVER INTERFERES IN SUCH MATTERS FOR BETTER OR WORSE, UNLESS IN CASE OF PURE DEVOTEE...BUT THEN THAT IS A RARITY IN THIS WORLD OF KALI, THE AGE OF QUARREL AND HYPOCRISY!! HARE KRISHNA!!
There is likelihood of one/more omnipotent being but not like human-cultures or Islamic-warlords conveniently believe :-)
Human may find GOD when looses desires, identity, ego to dominate others. It seems GOD doesn't expect anything from us and like 'aham brahmasmi' means 'I am God' or 'GOD resides in me'.
Doctor my ass buhaha.
The problem is not God but the religions and their fanatic clerics:
If God exists and created this marvelous universe, He must be almighty, wise, full of goodness and justice. He would be much greater than the "holy books" of all religions (plagued with errors, contradictions and absurdities), and He would be identifying the innocent and the guilty of the suffering and the destruction of the Earth (clerics included).
Being good is simply: not to damage oneself, nor others, nor nature (the gods of all religions would agree with this). And, if God exists, He´ll punish the bad, not the good (believers or not), because otherwise He would be a vain, intolerant and unjust God.
But if that magnificent God exists, one wonders: would he sends natural disasters in which so many innocent people died? The answer would be that ….
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